/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10416275
there's the denim dress here >>10414087 and all the 50s-themed AP in that thread as well

There's cowboy lolita at least.

>>10416275
Do you mean nymphette fashion? Or what

>>10416275
>lolita
>Americana
Does not compute.

>>10416275
Yes.

>>10416275
This sure as fuck isn’t lolita if that’s what you’re asking.

Isn't that basically what Neon Star Diner is?

>>10416275
Not lolita what in the actual fuck. Americana reminds me of oldschool Meta like the Heart Pocket JSK, esp worn with an apron

>>10416315
>cowboy lolita
>pirate print

Anon did you mean rockabilly? Because yes that exists, but it's ugly af so I don't have any images saved.

>>10416472
literally. You've got it. The people who are saying the only americana lolita is Lolita are dumb.

>>10416449
I’ve never seen this particular image before and that quote is killing me. What the fuck, VF writers.

Are we calling it americana? I like it desu the old school diner vibes have been my favorite recent pieces from AP

>>10416550
VF and its parent company Condé Nast suck. Loads of racism and sexual misconduct accusations and you can see the results of that toxic culture on every page. I’ve come to believe that the reason Lolita is still held up as a paragon of American literature is because practically everything in America, including who says what we should read, is controlled by Weinstein/Epstein-style abusers, pedophiles and other shitty people.

>>10416550
It sure is convincing.... convincing me that men are shit.

>>10416560
This. So much so that dumb lit kids will defend the novel under the guise of how "well written" it is.

Based on the image you posted OP, I'd say no. The closest I could think of would be something like the dress patterns resembling the american flag. Something like pic related but...you know actually good.

>>10416560
it's considered a literary masterpiece by academics all around the world but ok

>>10416619
pedos and abusers of a feather, anon

>>10416621
I thought the book was against pedos? If I remember correctly, the girl grows up to fall for another boy her age and runs away from the pedo.

>>10416624
Your right. The author of the book was apparently a csa victim. In the book, the pedo gets punished pretty hard for his actions. The issues come from the adaptions who try to sex up lolita and romanticise the inflation portrayed in the book.

>>10416626
the inflation...

>>10416626
Right I remember there were some issues with the movie adaption about that.

>>10416624
the whole point of the book is to show how fucked up the psyche of a pedo is, so yeah basically.

>>10416624
The way people interpreted the book changed over the years. There is an academic article by Perry Hinton, which talks about how the interpretation of the book changed in the US and how it is different from how it is interpreted in Japan, and then how this links back to Lolita Fashion. If I remember correctly the view in changed from seeing Dolores as an heroine who escapes from the situation she was in, to the guy being a hero for seducing the young girl.

>>10416644
What a gross change

>>10416646
I have never read the book nor seen the movie, but I was surprised when reading that article. The book isn’t very known where I live, but they do know the movie sadly.

>>10416624
People who say that must not have read Nabokov’s other novels, like ada or ardor, which are even more blatantly sexualizing of kids. The narrator of Ada is based on Nabokov (in a very fantastical, dreamlike way) and he gleefully has sex with hundreds upon hundreds of children, including one 12 year old boy who is so overused that he constantly hemorrhoids blood and shit and has to be “given away or destroyed,” and nonchalantly describes the rape of many more. The book “parodies” porn and all these encounters are therefore written in a blatantly pornographic way — as they are in Lolita, desu.
I’ve never heard that he was a csa victim and I’ve read a lot about him. Maybe you’re thinking of osamu dazai.

>>10416667
I've never read that but I did read Lolita and it blatantly makes Humbert look like the bad guy. Like to the point that I genuinely couldn't figure out how people could have ever mistaken him as a good person. It literally talks about her crying every night, being miserable, and doing everything she can to escape. It was kinda pornographic but nothing as explicit as what you're describing and certainly didn't come across as a parody.

>>10416631
My bad, i meant infatuation.

>>10416275
I hope you're not putting this forward as an example OP...

>>10416692
Yeah, Nabokov wasn't famous yet when he published Nabokov, and so he needed to frame the child porn in something with depth that could pass as a critique of pedophilia. His later works are just blatant masturbatory fantasies, like picaresques of child rape, and no one stopped him because he was famous as heck and anything with his name on it would make bank for publishers. His last unfinished novel, Laura, was burned by his son because he feared a repeat of the controversy around Lolita -- i.e. it must have been even grosser than the last ones

>>10416646
Men are gross what did you expect? Ofc they think a man banging a young girl is a hero

>>10416631
>>10416739
kek,thanks for making me laugh

>>10417029
I’m grateful to his son for that, and still wish we were called alices and not lolitas. Carroll seems like he was a creep too, but there’s not a gross association with Alice in Wonderland, since most people just know the Disney movie anyway.

>>10417029
Sorry, when he published *Lolita*. Been hate typing too much

>>10417029
Maybe you haven't looked into this in 10 years, anon, but The Original of Laura was published in 2009. There's no plot because it was just a bunch of index cards, but some of the scenes involve sex with kids.

>>10417029
Sounds a lot more complicated than you say:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Original_of_Laura#Executor's_dilemma

>>10416999
I think OP is a confused man who has no idea what lolita fashion is and thinks it's anything involving a flared skirt. Just a guess.

>>10416560
The novel itself is fine. I've read the plain text without any of the shitty covers, marketing, or film tie-ins. It's as good an exploration of a psychopath's mind as anything else and not once did I feel I was being led to sympathize with Humbert Humbert. It even tears down concepts like victim blaming decades before it became a widely known concept. anyway this is for >>/lit/

>>10417054
I would go to /lit but it's completely awful men. At least here I can talk about literature with other women anonymously for a little while, until they get annoyed.

>>10416999
>>10417054
I think OP just used the closest thing they could find to the subject.

>>10417047
Nayrt, but I own it. Its interesting and a bit gimmicky, but to try to put his work as him being a pedo is a big reach. Being into forbidden subjects is a common thing in lit.

I am not sure why there is a bunch of anons lately that think that you write only what you get off to or do irl. Do you think the person who wrote the Hannibal books ate people too?

>>10417029
ok now you're literally making shit up and people are believing you without doing a 5 second google search

>When Nabokov died in 1977, he left behind a stack of index cards filled with the text of what was to become his final novel, The Original of Laura. On his deathbed, he instructed his wife, Véra, to burn the unfinished work. She instead placed it in a Swiss bank vault, where it remained the object of much speculation for three decades. With Véra’s death in 1991, responsibility for the final work fell to the Nabokovs’ son, Dmitri. In 2008 he announced his decision to allow its publication. The Original of Laura, which the younger Nabokov referred to as “the most concentrated distillation” of his father’s creativity, was released in 2009.

>>10417060
>I am not sure why there is a bunch of anons lately that think that you write only what you get off to or do irl
This kind of thinking is what leads to SO much unnecessary book censorship. Depicting a difficult topic in your book does not automatically equate to glorifying it.

>>10417037
carrol was a legitimate pedo who never showed interest in adult women and whose hobby was photographing and drawing naked little girls, whom he lost interest in interacting with as soon as they hit puberty.

nabakov had an age appropriate wife for all of his adult life and there's even a book of love letters that he wrote to her throughout their decades of marriage. there is zero evidence of him being a pedo.

they're not at all comparable

>>10417073
>carrol was a legitimate pedo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll#Discussion_of_Dodgson's_sexual_preferences

Sounds like this was a weird romanticized interpretation by a few biographers and he actually did have interest in adult women.

>>10417073
>>10417089
my dad was married to my mom. this doesn't mean shit.

>>10417103
Your post literally says
> never showed interest in adult women
as PROOF, which isn't true.

Looks like damn Fourth of July parade float

>>10417143
That's the first thing that came to mind when I first saw this.

>>10417062
Fair, I got this from a book published before that and didn't realize it had changed.

>>10416275
....but that pic is just rockabilly?

>>10416560
>just realizing this

>>10417635
rockabilly and americana are one and the same

>>10417640
to some yuropoor maybe

>>10417640
Rockabilly is 50s styled fashion while Americana looks like Uncle Sam threw up on someone's outfit during the 4th of July

>>10416449
Me want CUNNY!!

I'm amazed at how long this thread has managed to stay up.

>>10417687
Because its daytime 4chan.

>>10417687
I was genuinely hoping someone would post American looking lolita coords

>>10417689
This post has been up for fucking days now, anon.
Also, what are time zones. It's not day time where I am, anon. People from all over the world post here.

>>10417690
>American looking coords
Yeah but what does that even mean? It's a Japanese fashion.
Some people posted what little examples of Americana culture there are in lolita fashion but for the most part, it's not really a thing.
If you wanted to see British coords, you'd get loads of responses.

>>10417670
rockabilly is 50s pop fashion
people in the 50s in reality dressed really really dull and drab and very boring, very muted colors, dark muted tones literally 50 shades of gray and beige, color basically doesnt exist outside holidays and the weekend until the late fifties early sixties

>>10417690
I always thought Country Lolita was american? I’ve never seen anyone do it who wasn’t a yank

>>10417690
youd basically have to make youre own dresses based on pictures of little kids in the 50s

>>10417687
at least it's on topic to the board

>>10417693
It's no big deal I was just curious. Lolita has a wide variety of subtypes from country, to near full victorian, to chinese, to Korean, to sailor, military and back to japanese so I wouldn't be suprised if someone out there had some star spangled print.

>>10417690
like red white and blue with plausibly American iconography?

>>10417809
or like holding guns and stuff?

How about Baby's 5th Avenue dress?

>>10417810
or like prairie-style "little house"/religious cult coords?

>>10417813
i don't actually know what this dress says

denim is ultimate americana

>>10417819
plus these 50s-style diner motifs

>>10417821
the fanny pack seals the deal

>>10417824

>>10417825

burger

>>10417827
popcorn

How about Minnie Mouse inspired coords

>>10417829
mickey mouse burger flag colors

>>10417830
hive fucking mind, gullfriend

>>10417832
here's a qpot burger, comrade

coords that make me hear a big brass band playing "stars and stripes forever"

>>10417834

>>10417837

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>>10417839

>>10417840

I think a lot of those red/white/blue items are technically French-inspired though. Speaking of, here's some french fries from ETC.

>>10417841

>>10417844

>>10417843
nice

>>10417845

>>10417847

>>10417849

>>10417852

>>10417854

>>10417854
oh shit, this reminds me you gotta post that one coca cola meme dress. idr the brand name

>>10417855

>>10417856
i don't have it

how about memermelons?

>>10417857
stars n stripes

>>10417859

>>10417860

>>10417856
enjoy Coca-Cola

>>10417861

>>10417863

>>10417815
>19th century american
that would actually be american lolita

>>10417864

>>10417856
share with a friend

>>10416275
>>10416315
>>10417815
theres saloon girls
old frontier towns across the west in states like South Dakota, Wyoming, Arizona, New mexico where they do corny live roleplays of old western story events, people working the tourist bars just wear costumes, but the regular actors usually go less costumey and use real or analagous materials, old late 1800s patterns, 100% wool, denim without rivets and low dye saturation with natural dyes and brands that date back to that time like pendleton

>>10417803
well anon, I'm glad to have come back to this thread to see that I was dead wrong. There's tons of posts now for all kinds of American things.

I've seen these types of threads on /ck/ before- like what are some American foods and most people just say burgers and everyone has a big laugh. But I can see how the fashion side has way more options than I thought of.
Maybe American culture is more in how we dress and look.

>>10417868
you can also go Scarlett o'hara
but dont go full scarlett o-hara, never go full scarlet

>>10417873

Japan has an idealiized view of 1950s america. The milkshake series wasn't popular in America but it sold like hotcakes in Japan.

The love for american iconography in jfashion happens outside of lolita too, like Amekaji in gyaru and the brand Ammy and the Batty Girls

>>10417878

>>10417880

>>10417882
i think the popularity of honey cake in japan has to do with the growing love for retro american aesthetics

>>10417887

>>10417861
I can't belive it's real

>>10417878
thanks for the info, anon

more

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>>10417931

>>10417939

>>10416550
Have you never heard of the book lolita? It's where the whole phrase comes from.
It's about a crazy old guy who rapes his 14 yo step daughter.
I could more in depth if you're wondering why it's so famous and good

>>10416275
Well just wearing a regular old time 1800s or early 1900s dress would be Americana lolita since that was a big part of middle and late americana

>>10417640
No.
Rockabilly is a style of rock music
And Americana is a broad term that describes various elements of American culture

>>10417942

>>10417963

>>10417966

>>10417968

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>>10417972
not only does she look unhappy but bored as all hell.

>>10417791
Rockabilly is tacky as fuck. True vintage might be “boring” but at least it doesn’t look like some trailer park queen’s attempt at being classy.

>>10417963
What a horrible coord, this jsk had so much potential to ruin it with that blouse, tights, and sandals

I really want to like some of this stuff but for some reason the whole idealized '50s malt shop doo wop hot rod Americana shit makes me feel physically ill and has done so as long as I can remember.

>>10417968 is fucking adorable though.

>>10417864
>>10417861
Why are you saving such bad coords? Any of these main pieces could make great Americana coords but americana is simple, casual styling like

>>10417878
And not much else in the thread

>>10417968
This is a Nitori cosplay.

>>10417974

>>10417990

https://www.vogue.co.jp/feature/coach/160829/ourobsession/

>>10417972
what is this hideous print?

>>10418010
Americana is rustic princess, sporty coed, geeky marching band girl, outdoorswoman, and various other American archetypes. I can't find lolita coords other than diner ones but a lot of country reminds me of the prairie princess Americana girl

>>10418015
Explanation of Americana aesthetic since this thread is a bunch of retards thinking tricolore french shit is americana

>>10418026
Leave it to seppos to think that anything red, white, and blue is automatically American.

>>10418026
no i'm literally asking what the name of the print is

>>10418026
cheerleader would be americana
its not really a thing elsewhere

>>10418119
are you stupid?

>>10418125
what do you mean

>>10418126
NTA but I think said anon is calling you that because of your second sentence.
However, you're right that cheerleading originates in the U.S., assuming you meant this with your first sentence. But, cheerleaders, being one of the most sought for their beauty and showing more of their skin than average, is something that is found almost everywhere but the most conservative countries like Saudi Arabia, or so.

>>10418141
highschool cheerleaders arent a thing elsewhere

>>10417873
i can only dream of draping myself in a velveteen curtain op

>>10418144
velveteen curtain cut into a spring dress with lace

>>10418143
At least college ones are, which are enough to make them popular IMO.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYp27aQSM3w
Additionally, these can sometimes be found in some parts of Latin America too, even the high school ones and under.

>>10418147
where do they even cheer? rugby games? can they physically even be at soccer games with the crowds filled with literal drunk savages who are going to burn the city if their team wins?

I imagine americana lolita would be trying to pass off a square dancing dress as lolita.
it’s kinda funny because if you search for square dancing dresses on google images or pinterest there will at least be a few classic lolita brand stock photos.

>>10418151
Well, in my case during elementary school outside the U.S., there were two cheerleading teams, one male and one female for the whole school, where the former was only used for doing a local parade of some sort around the school's area of service and we also marched or so, while the latter was most often used for said local parade plus the local championships between sports teams that only happened only once per year.

Of course, we're talking about elementary school (yet these standards were roughly the same with other schools, but didn't included a male cheer/parade team) so everything was pretty much "wholesome" and "SFW" given how there wasn't any, uh, "pantyshots" and every girl wore bike shorts with black panties on (though some girls had the audacity to use white panties sometimes), unlike the local college cheer teams where it is obviously expected to wear stuff like the things seen in America.

It's pretty hilarious how different cheerleading teams are used around the world, though.

>>10418073
Ugh I want to know too

>>10417890
Honey Cake is so cute with the Ice Cream Parlor socks what the heck. I wish I’d thought of this since the socks are impossible to find.

>>10416564
>Vanity Fair
>written by men
lmaoing @ ur life

>>10416626
>t. Dobson

>>10418026
>bunch of retards thinking tricolore french shit is americana
red white and blue is the most basic of all flag colorways, get over it. it is not a french coord unless it has a beret or a baguette.

>>10418015
>>10418170
i found the source of the image for you by doing a reverse image search, which is easy to do on vietnamese statuary forums

the brand is Enchanted Dream Couture, but the name of the print is not mentioned, and the EDC etsy shop/FB page has nothing like this in it. since that BuriDeco event was early this year, corona could have delayed any announcements or releases about the print.

>>10418409
it's called Wild West Cat, as per EDC's Insta

>>10418141
Did you know that literally ONE company owns all cheerleading stuff in America? All outfits, routines, competitions, and everything else are provided by one company and one company only. Kinda weirded me out

>>10418409
>>10418410
thanks, I reversed image search but it never works for me for some reason.

>>10417945

>>10417949
>Rockabilly is a style of rock music
It's also a fashion style. Usually it's edgy girls covered in tattoos wearing 50s style cuts with 2000s hot topic aesthetics.

>>10418151
god you sound ignorant.

>>10416275
No. American women cannot moe
it's just thots imitating, half of them with some significant disgusting defect like obesity, a penis, or black skin

>>10418416
why do women love being into shit like that? I've always met other women who love shit like Secret parties and Mary Kay shit. I guess they start with cheerleading.

I was never a cheerleader so that must be why I'm not into the other pyramid scheme shit.

>>10418725
because women are discouraged from real sports and told to do acceptably girly shit like cheerleading instead

>>10418725
>>10418738
>shitting on cheerleading
its lightweight gymnastics where you wear a cute skirt instead of having to wear a onsie that gives you cameltoe in front of pedophile coaches and judges and you dont destroy the lower half of your body like ballet

>>10416667
>he narrator of Ada is based on Nabokov (in a very fantastical, dreamlike way) and he gleefully has sex with hundreds upon hundreds of children, including one 12 year old boy who is so overused that he constantly hemorrhoids blood and shit and has to be “given away or destroyed,” and nonchalantly describes the rape of many more

I was curious about this, and I couldn't find any reference to this passage in a full text of a book I found after glancing through the text. Could you point to what part of the book this is supposed to be found it?

http://67-231-249-98.static.as40244.net:8090/get/pdf/2182

You can probably find the same pdf by googling it.

>>10418738
Even tho cheerleadering is just as dangerous

>>10418752
some girls just refuse to learn how to properly bail

>>10418747
gymnastics and ballet are both other acceptable girly shit
i wanna see girls encouraged to play football and things like that

>>10418758
why?

>>10418759
equality?

>>10418762
...but its not even fun like basketball, its dumb scrote monkey agression

>>10416621
Filtered fucking moron. The book was really mostly an experiemnt to see how a reader can be convinced to sympathize with a monster if they're charming wnough.

The MC in Lolita is a monster but he is a charming devil so the reader can end up liking him

>>10418770
basketball is divided by gender. there's no such thing as "girl's football" so they'd have to do a co-ed team. equality

>>10418778
>coed football
what, are some asshole with a ryona fetish?

>>10418780
believe it or not, not all women are smol precious beans who can't handle real sports

>>10418783
>t. sadist masquerading under equality

>>10418758
But you can't really go anywhere in terms of having a career doing sports like that, which is why many women don't even bother or stop at playing the sport after university if you're lucky or after secondary school.

>>10418788
Nobody should be playing that sport at all. It's too dangerous for any human period. Might as well.

>>10418711
begone scrote

>>10418800
I hate you for responding. Dumb bitch.

lol I knew 10418806 was bait

>>10418794
what? gymnastics are part of the Olympics.

>>10418747
I'm not >>10418738 and I'm not shitting on cheerleading as a sport. I'm shitting on it as something that comes across as a pyramid scheme. Sorry but it sounds like a fucking scam like Mary Kay or Avon shit.

>>10418796
This. I'm sick of CRT mother fuckers killing people.

>>10418810
what popular organized sport isnt a fucking scam?
the nfl is a "charity" and all of its stadiums are built with billions in state taxpayer money
you think anyone but real estate developers gain anything from hosting the olympics and fleecing billions in cash for facilities that get used once then sit empty and rot?

>>10418820
good point. I'm glad I don't like sports lol.

>>10418758
>i wanna see girls encouraged to play football and things like that
I remember wanting to join the boy scouts because they actually got to learn things like outdoor survival stuff and all girl scouts seemed to do was sell cookies. America has spoiled girls and women and then get mad at us for being materialistic and weak.

>>10418823
did they not have campfire where you lived?

>>10418828
I went camping with my mom sometimes if that's what you mean.

>>10418830
campfire USA, its coed cub scouts thats mostly girls
theres also a bunch of christian ones

>>10418836
Oh hell if I know, this was like 20 or so years ago and only boy/girl scouts were advertised at our elementary school.

>>10418836
Twentysomething American woman here and I’ve never heard of Campfire USA until right now.

>>10418839
>>10418838
its not as widespread as boyscouts and girlscouts

>>10418823
Girl scouts does teach survival things though

>>10418823
boyscouts also have to do the selling thing, but instead of $5 cookies it's $25 popcorn, and it is basically always a failure because of that

>>10418823
If it's any consolation the boy scouts have also become intolerably faggy compared to what they were like in say the 50s. American security wanking and litigation-happiness have ruined basically everything.

>>10418823
Of course all you saw Girl Scouts do was sell cookies if you weren’t part of a troop — that’s their biggest interaction with the public. Girl Scouts was the most cherished part of my childhood — we did all the camping and survival stuff, but the badges were geared towards career preparedness (I.e. actual real world survival) and would have you go out and interview women in fields you were interested in and stuff. Also I was teased a lot by boys so I really valued having a female space as a kid. People can do what they want, but especially after so many pedophilia charges in the Boy Scouts I don’t understand why there are girls who would choose them over GS.

Instead of putting women into sports, y'all should be supporting women on intellectual sports and interests like the International Math Olympiads and SkillsUSA in order to change the global perspective that biological women are dumb.
Since it seems that y'all are forgetting the fact that trannies are starting to get into women's sports, so the last place that biological women could be prestigious winners is intellectual stuff IMO.

Pic related

>>10419177
nice shill too bad you're lying.

>>10419497
You're just jealous that your dumbass boy scouts didn't have thin mints

>>10419105
I don't know if it's boy scouts or not but in my area there is a group that goes around selling fucking jerky.
It's so hilarious that they're gendering foods. Like just have the boys sell cookies. Everyone clearly wants to buy the fucking cookies.

>>10419456
Not a bad idea. Leave the brains to the women and brawn to the men.

>>10419538
no>>10419571
, i was also in girl scouts. it's not like that.

>>10419583
Not that anon, but the girl scouts experience varies WIDELY between troops. I moved between a few, some were camp oriented, some were career oriented, some were ran by this old bitch who taught us the same stitch for 3 years and cussed us out in an Ace Hardware parking lot while selling cookies because it was 100 degrees and the store's power went out. Just varies from place to place.

>>10419497
Are you really stupid enough to think some Girl Scouts marketing intern is reading up on all the talking points only to spread them on random 4chan boards...
Can see your troop wasn’t education-oriented, anyway.

Lolita scouts when? Earn badges similar to the ones in this movie.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who remembers this movie. Please tell me I'm not that old.

>>10419456
No matter what kind of intellectual achievements women make, men will always say we're dumb anyway because of our girly emotions or whatever the fuck. The person with the highest IQ of all time is bio women, but does anyone care? Nope, scrotes still think they're naturally smarter

>>10419105
I always buy from boyscouts because their troops actually get the money. I said no once, but the boy was so polite and cute that I called him back to the door and ended up buying. Girlscouts barely get any of the money from the cookies they sell, and generally they’re not as polite in my experience.

>>10419636

desu girl scout cookie parents scare me. they always glare when I say I don't want the cookies and it makes me so uncomfortable like some local suburban mafia of kids and helicopter moms are trying to pressure me into buying their shit.

>>10419636
the thing is that the cookies end up selling a fuckton more because they're affordable and a good deal, so the girl scouts still make more money in the end even if they get a smaller cut per sale

>>10419636
>>10419643
Ive moved on to store bought
theyve been making the boxes smaller and smaller now theyre making the cookies themselves smaller
also apparently they used to sell the same thing as starcrunch cookies back in the 1980s

>>10419618
Remember it? Hell I just watched it a couple weeks ago. Shelley Long’s outfits are fan-fucking-tastic peak 80s gauche and I want them all.

>>10419645
it's a ridiculously good deal. $5 for a fuck ton of cookies.

>>10416275
Any subsubsubgenre of lolita can exist if you make it exist.
Now if you don't mind, I'm gonna find a fake racoon tail for the hat on my Canada Lolita coord

>>10419677
Based

>>10419636
the only thing girl scouts prepares girls for is the overly pushy sales industry.