/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10392900
wtf does this even mean? what type of bangs?

>>10392900
Some of us 5heads. But they do look pretty bad on people with tiny foreheads imo.

>>10392914
>>10392900
Some of us have 5heads. But they do look pretty bad on people with tiny foreheads imo.

piercings beside ear piercings and small nose piercings are disgusting with lolita and other j-fashions that are meant to be cute and/or elegant

All substyles should become their own styles. Like sweet, classic and gothic has only one thing on common – silhouette and when you try to explain what lolita is, you need to choose which one.

>>10392934
The outer extremes are vastly different, but a large portion of lolita is fluid between substyles. You can take an AatP jsk like gathered chiffon, which is not boring by any measure, and make coords for any substyle with it.

Gatekeeping is a requirement of any subculture. As a goth, our subculture has only existed because we adamantly explain that goth is a subculture about music - not about clothes or being edgy or wearing platform shoes. You’re not goth if you don’t listen to goth music, the end. No one cares in the comm if you think that’s elitist.

Same thing needs to happen with lolita. I don’t know why people are afraid of bluntly stating that it’s a fashion with rules and history. People who refuse to emphasize these rules and structure are going to destroy the fashion by letting anyone and their bad outfit be “lolita”. Gatekeeping can hinder a group obviously but it’s a necessity for any subculture... otherwise?l, they would become distorted and warped.

May not be super unpopular at least here but I just needed to vent. The state of things is just making me sad.

>>10392959
I totally agree. I think it's not an unpopular opinion of us old fags who've been in the fashion for 5-ish+ years, but the new and baby lolitas don't seem to get this.

>>10392959
Can't agree more

>>10392959
>As a goth
ignored

>>10392917
I only have ears but have been eyeing something like this. I think most people are accustomed to seeing ugly titanium jewelry. Silver tone can work for goth if the pieces aren't basic bitch barbells

>>10392917
Eh I guess I'm biased on this. I only have ears but have been eyeing just one face piercing like this

I think most people are accustomed to seeing ugly titanium jewelry. Silver tone can work for goth if the pieces aren't basic bitch barbells. Titanium can be anodized pink or light blue to match sweet. Jewelry quality and taste make a huge difference but the problem is tacky people who don't know how to coordinate.

>>10392980
Whats you're beef?

>>10392993
NTA but some annoying goth on this board always derails about goth, despite it never being relevant ever.

>>10392996
I am the original anon and I have no idea who goth anon is but it isn’t me. I’m also a gothic lolita and I do EGA. I’m sorry if it seemed like I was derailing but I am in both subcultures and there is a lot of similarities in how we want new people to respect the subculture and stop trying to change it. I hope this makes sense.

>>10392917
I'm a sucker for a guy with snakebites desu. Never left my 2012 emo phase I guess

>>10392934
this is a terrible take

>>10392989
i agree with this, shit jewelry and taste is the problem far more than piercings in themselves.

>>10392996
>despite it never being relevant ever
it often IS relevant since goth is also a fashion subculture and it straight up has style overlap in lolita. she's totally right about gatekeeping being a good thing and every point she made applies to lolita. if anything your post is the one derailing.

Peeking bloomers look like historically inspired ageplay

COF either needs to die or a desperate change of mods/admins.

>>10392901
Especially the too short kind. People call them SJW bangs, but I've seen sissies call them terf bangs, ironically.

>>10392989
Nose piercings are disgusting, especially if you're fat, it makes you look like livestock.

>>10393131
Wouldn't say this is unpopular

>>10392989
any parlor that will have something of that quality is going to run you hundreds of dollars for the piercing and jewelry.

>>10393141
my friends and I all had them at one point or another and called them TERF bangs, probably because a lot of them were TERFs.

>>10392989
>>10393202
I have two real gold facial/nose piercings and they cost a lot of money. I hate seeing cheap jewelry. If you’re wearing on your face 24/7 or invest in high quality jewelry.

>>10392900
I feel like I look way better without bangs but I also feel like I have to have them because lolita

>>10393015
Now this I don't get. It was very much an adult women's fashion as much as a girl's fashion.

If you have the money to buy scalped items you shouldn’t because other people don’t have the money and it’s not fair to people who can’t afford it. Apparently this is an “unpopular” opinion with the classists here even though it’s the right one.

>>10393240
are you the same retard who called a girl a cunt for buying overpriced jewelry?

Taobao does certain things better than brand. Qi is an obvious one, but I'd argue mature classic-sweet too.

Piercings and tattoos in cosplay (for characters that don't have them) look terrible and should be covered up or taken off. Seriously, it's not hard to take off piercings. Why ruin your work with such a stupid mistake?

>>10393240
I bought one of those $200 AP necklaces on mercari because I was fucking tired of always having the listing bought in seconds at a reasonable price.
Like what is the point of having my heart broken every time if I can just spend a couple more hours working and pay for the damn thing, and finally own it.

Get rekt anon.

>>10393202
And your point is? Quality anything usually costs money. Pieces for long term wear need to be body safe. This leaves you with 2 main options, 14k+ solid gold which is expensive, or implant grade titanium. Titanium is much cheaper. You can find decent titanium pieces at reputable piercers.

I tell anyone who scoffs at the price that you wouldn't buy an heirloom or engagement ring made out of something that will tarnish. Things meant to last need to be good quality.

>>10393249
I agree with this. If you're emulating a character and will go as far as wearing lenses to get their eye color, why not remove inaccurate piercings? It's easy to do.

Most offbrand looks better and more appealing to me than burando, desu

Sack dresses are cute

>>10393314
Taobao photographs always look nice because they use their best model of the dress and slap on all these floaty-looking filters and shit.

>>10393316
The dress is appealing because the design is nice. And what filters...?

>>10393317
That's not the most egregious example, but you must be pretty new if you aren't aware of this. Which is fine, but you should know that there are reasons burando endures that don't have to do with classism.

>>10393314
Seconding this. I love variety in lolita, and miss those crazy times in the early 2000z where people were just slapping things together to have fun. So many brand releases nowadays feel cookie cutter (like the constant complaining we see about AP sack dress cuts, JetJ painting dresses, even MMM I’ve seen people tire of) off brand may not be 100% the same quality but there is more creative risk and direction there than we see from the main brands (excluding Meta because I love that crazy munchkin for branching out).

>>10393316
I don’t bother to argue with taobao-chan anymore, taobao dresses almost never look good outside of model picture.

>>10393319
>miss those crazy times in the early 2000z where people were just slapping things together to have fun
Why do I feel like you weren't even alive in the early 2000s

>>10393314
Have fun with your blobby prints and tissue paper fabric desu

>>10393240
tfw sold anon a $200 piece of jewelry

People who layer too much petti under their dresses are painful to see. The dresses end up looking rigid and boxy and it removes the delicate pleats on the skirts.

Like I get it, you want to achieve maximum poof since it's *the lolita silhouette,* but there's an extent you can do this. Doesn't help when people on COF encourage this in the comments either.

>>10393327
i actually like less poof sometimes it just looks too costume like

>>10393318
NTA but there are Taobao brands that have been around for a decade or more, you know.

>>10393333
So 2010? That's not that long frankly.

>>10393334
Idk what you mean by "enduring" then? I think 10+ years of successful business is enduring pretty well.

>>10393345
Brands like Baby have been around since the 80s.

>>10393141
TERF bangs, baby bangs, etc. A lot of TERFS are SJWs and they're all loud and annoying.

>>10393334
Infanta has been around since 2004, for example.

>>10393352
OK, y'know, that's fair, actually.

>>10393202
if you're literally putting it inside your face skin and displaying it ON YOUR FACE 100% of the time, it might be wise to invest in something that looks good.

>>10393141
i've seen those look good on some people, i still sometimes cut my bangs too short when i'm trimming them just to have some extra time before i have to trim them again lmao.

>>10393240
you shouldn't buy scalped items because it encourages fucking scalpers, not because it's unfair to poorfags

>>10393240
That depends on the level of scalping I guess. If it's the only piece missing from your list of DDs acquired, a rare print, and it's only slightly more expensive than your budget, that's ok. But some scalpers are batshit insane, like that weirdo selling a "literally who" tier level of JetJ blouse or skirt on Yahoo auc for 120,000 yen, it's been on there for over a year and obviously not moving.

>>10392996
don't worry anon, you're not crazy and I've seen that shit happen in the past too.
Unless they're specifically talking about japanese goth fashion, they should take it elsewhere.

>>10393289
>Get rekt anon.
>paid $200 for an AP necklace
sounds like you're the one that got rekt

>>10393346
And yet you don't see people posing in their 80's stuff. If you do it's extremely rare.

>>10393131
It's weird because they had a new mod application form up last month but they haven't mentioned it once after it closed. Guess they didn't like the responses.

>>10393289
Are you the one who's bought that Dream Shell set?

>>10393289
>I can just spend a couple more hours working and pay for the damn thing
sometimes it's more like couple of days tho

>>10393289
Which job makes $100 an hour?

>>10393474
escort lol

>>10393363
It's just a coping scalper larping again.

>>10393363
It's just a coping scalper sympathiser larping again. Pretty sure she already got enough attention in the last thread.

>>10393327
>>10393327
I don’t understand why people use two or three pettis (velvet and heavy pieces excluded). I have two AP petticoats and they puff perfectly alone, without the help of other ones. Unpopular opinion: if you need three for a standard dress, you should invest on a new petti.

>>10393440
$200 is literally nothing in the scheme of life. I spent forever trying to find this particular piece. My cost-benefit analysis was that that I could just pay the price with no competition. For the record, I don't regularly buy scalped pieces or support them. But the Japanese seller knew these pieces sell out in literal seconds below $100. I've seen this piece have 20+ comments on a single listing of people flocking to buy it on Mercari JP.

>>10393447
No. I don't like marine themes. The piece I bought was pre-2015 and never had a re-release.

>>10393458
Days...? Maybe if you work minimum wage.

>>10393474
>>10393480
Try harder.

>>10393553
You would either have to be a prostitute or a CEO to make that kinda money, and I'm pretty sure no CEOs come on 4chins, so yikes

>>10393560
If those are the only jobs you can come up with, your knowledge of different fields must be pretty low.

>>10393553
>Try harder
It was a jooooke

>>10393240
You very obviously don't know what classism actually means, go back to the hugboxes on Facebook where you belong

>>10393567
I know. I'm just a rotten person and I'm salty because people are going crazy that I spent $200 on a necklace, as if that's some unheard of number. If you watch the secondhand market, AP jewelry is getting sold left and right for "scalped" prices. It's not that rare. Did CGL already forget that people paid $1000 for a dress with bears and pancakes on it?

There's this tendency to jump on people well off enough to not consider $200 a HUGE amount of money. That's someone's Starbucks run for a month. Not a big deal.

>>10393573
lmao at poorfags getting mad at people spending their own money on things

>>10393573
We get it, you're pissed because gulls made fun of your purchase or disagree with you and they're all just poorfags etc etc, but crying abozt it or larping as "your friend" won't change their opinion.

>>10393573
I have no job right now, $200 isn't a lot of money in most western cities. I would say it is a lot of money for something that I would only consider an accessory and not a main/staple/attention piece however.

>>10393575
Let me guess, you didn't have to deal with quarantine bullshit.

>>10393582
Yeah this. $200 isn't that much but the anon clearly over paid on purpose cause they're impatient.

>>10393588
Overpaying used to make more sense back in time when MTOs weren't a big thing. People invested into coveted pieces knowing they are pretty much covered getting their money back. Now, when brands rerelese things or make alike things you risk feeling really dumb for going extra.

Its ok to not wear a petticoat

>>10393655
lol no. this thread is unpopular opinions not blatant lies.

>>10393655
Please post one coord that looks good without a petticoat. No, that one kamikaze girls screenshot doesn't count.

>>10393655
Only old school coords or/and empire waist

>>10393684
How about longer dresses? I own a lot of IW long length dresses that end up at mid to high calf height on me. I feel like they look better without a petti a lot of the time. Most of the time if I wear anything underneath it's just an underskirt to prevent the skirt from getting between my legs as I walk.

>>10393573
Maybe is my poorfag talking, but I just can't pay more than €30 in a piece of fucking plastic jewelry. I understand the high prices -even scalping- on main pieces because the design and the quality itself, but 100% of the lolita jewelry (specially from AP) is made of shitty cheap materials and you can find pretty similar items in your good old Claires or Bijou Brigitte (or even costume and toy shops) for a fraction of the price

>>10393693
Get a long petti

>>10393667
Nayrt, but I have a JSK which honestly looks great without a blouse or a petticoat. I think it's a rare case though and that the majority of lolita dresses need a petticoat to look right, much less good.

>>10393314
This dress is nice in theory, the print and cut are both great. But then, like 99.8% of taobao, it loses on the details. The chiffon ruffles on the hem and yoke are ugly and cheap looking even on the stock photo, and I cringe at that stupid 10 cent organza ribbon on the chest.

Taobao creators cheap out on the details so no thanks, I'll keep my Japanese brands.

>though new brand shit is ugly and lazy more than not nowadays too desu

>>10393587
You clearly shouldn't be in this hobby fashion if a few months is all it took for you to go under.

>>10393697
Lmao Claire's. Enjoy your lead

>>10393723
Please lord remind me to never let collecting and wearing pretty dresses make up the major part of my ego like this anon.

>>10393667
Skirts/dresses with a built-in petti layer look fine without for casual wear.

>>10392900
Shit opinion

>>10393697
I have some nice pieces from Milk. They're solid, heavy and made of metal, and look like real jewelry.

>>10393697
you can find that at claires???

>>10392900
Definitely a good way to start off an unpopular opinion thread. With the most unpopular opinion I’ve ever heard.

Super unpopular opinion, with a disclaimer that I don't do this myself because I'm gothic and this is more applicable to sweet/some classic lolitas that buy prints:

Print replicas are okay for socks/tights only, unless the brand continuously stocks them. Socks/tights don't last as long as their matching dresses with repeated wear/washing, so inevitably they will degrade and need replacing, and their availability on the 2nd hand market will also decrease because of this. This is worse for those with full sets that actually want to wear them and not want to let them sit untouched in a closet forever. I despise print replicas, but I can't feasibly see a way around matching printed socks when the brand no longer stocks them. I don't know if the thinner printed sock/tight material can be darned too, so those are even worse.

>>10393775
You’re just talking about Grimoire, right? I bought a pair of replicas to see how they compare to the originals and they are so far off it’s honestly depressing. Print is cloudy and the ink rubs off on your legs. But I’ve torn one of my genuine grimoire tights so far and I’m dreading the demise of the rest.

>>10393780
Grimoire would be a good example, because they're dead now, although they died from people choosing shitty replicas over them though when they were around, irrc. Nowadays I'd think it's ok to buy a knockoff of them, I got one of the stained glass ones last year I think. I have the same cloudy print issue although the ink didn't rub or run off on me, I soaked mine in cold water first so idk if that helped.

But I was thinking more about sweet prints when I posted that, I was browsing through taobao to fill my wardrobe with more socks/tights variety and I saw a few obvious print replicas pop up, and thought about how printed brand socks are hard to come by, especially for sets, and what the future looked like for them. Again, I would only think it's ok if it was truly the only option available, those who buy printed replica socks or tights when brands have them stocked (like those awful iw and baby knockoffs) or there's decent ones widely available on the 2nd hand market can go straight to hell though.

>>10393697
Honestly I just think people who buy this shit for $200 are literal retards who don’t understand value

It’s a cheap piece of shit plastic
Y’all will buy anything that’s made by ap for any price just bc you’re a dumb cunt whos bad at managing money lmao

>>10393794
Whoa your jealousy is showing

>>10393796
I’m not jealous that I made good decisions
Your retardation is showing
Glad that dumb cunts wanna waste $300 on a piece of plastic that would cost $2 to make

I’ll stick to actually good quality stuff, thanks

>>10393794
If they can supposedly support it, who the fuck cares. People buy overpriced tacky shit all the time. They are a minority and individually they aren't fuelling the worst offending scalpers that much.

>>10393314
You think that because of their nice stock photos. 9 times out of 10 I am very disappointed when i get the taobao item irl. It's always cheap materials, and I actually have some pieces falling apart whereas brand is sturdy and has incredible details. Where taobao wins imo is accessories like tights, headdresses, overlays. The quality is usually fantastic for the price where the brand stuff is just ok and feels a bit pricey in comparison.

Pic related is some of the best tights I have, they are thick, and stretchy for thicker legs and don't feel flimsy or have the design instantly morph oddly when worn.

>>10393204
TERFs are the opposite of SJWs. We don't pander to sissies and delusions.

Bonnets look stupid

>>10393798
>individually they aren't fuelling the worst offending scalpers that much.
As opposed to..? Everyone who buys from scalpers is directly supporting them by literally giving them their money. Who else is supposed to buy from them, companies?

>>10393582
I agree with you though. For just an accessory $200 is a bit pricey, which is why I don't make it a habit. Even if I happen to have more disposable income, I don't usually pay more than needed for things. But this is one of a few pieces I'll make an exception for.

>>10393588
I like how me waiting 2-3 years is considered impatient. As I said before, it's not even about being patient. It's about seeing the listing in the nick of time and buying it at warp speed. I chose to overspend because it eliminated competition and guaranteed I would own the item. I could keep searching for longer, but the longer you wait to buy there's always less of a chance the item shows up again... because it degrades, gets lost, or becomes broken.

>>10393618
AP very rarely re-releases jewelry though.

>>10393697
>>10393794
>>10393797
>>10393820
The rest of the Japanese seller's listings were at completely reasonable prices. I looked before buying because I specifically didn't want to give money to an actual scalper.

The thing is, I don't give a damn how much the piece is worth monetarily. I just wanted it. Most physical possessions are worthless. I don't buy things because I'm salivating over re-sale prices. The piece is sturdy enough that I can wear it if I don't curb stomp it. I'm sorry you don't value happiness at $200.

>>10393794
You say this, but at the same time you sound like some who pays a premium for bottled water when you can get the same thing from your tap for literal pennies.

>>10393806
they are not. there is a lot of overlap.

>>10393806
lmao

>>10393853
Anon you don't need to justify yourself, if you're happy with paying that price that's all that matters. Seagulls have always been incredibly salty over mark ups and people paying for them. I recall people angry over stuff like $12 handmade bracelets because "the materials are only $1", it's just dumb. For people that hate capitalism so much they get really mad at individuals doing anything to make a buck, but of course MegaCorp marking up garbage for 400% isn't a problem.

>>10393352
I see a lot of people shitting on Infanta on here and saying they're always disappointed but personally the stuff I have from them holds up to my brand items. Maybe I just got lucky but I love my Infanta things.

>>10393887
i actually agree with this. i have a coat from them from 2010 or so that has still held up.

>>10393806
Sure Jan

>>10393872
>>10393866
silence, trannies

>>10393879
This. I’ve seen people whine about listings that I went and bought because they were $50 over typical market. Sorry, I want that dress and I will pay what I feel is reasonable. Not everyone is out here trying to regulate the frill market

>>10393935
Lmao is the terf mad people said you were annoying. No one wants to hear you complain 24/7.

>>10393935
>everyone i don't like is a scrote
every time

>>10393938
>everyone replying to me is the same person

>>10393940
my bad, keep sucking their dicks and maybe they'll like you

>>10393862
You’re projecting
Only retards buy that dumb bottled shit

>>10393804
Yeah only brand dresses are really better quality

The dresses and blouses are worth the extra money but their accessories absolutely aren’t

>>10393560
$100 an hour is like $200k a year. Software engineers make that much money, doctors make that much money, a lot of people make that much money.

>>10393853
>the longer you wait to buy there's always less of a chance the item shows up again
not true at all. That's why I called you impatient. Some girls wait fucking 5 + years for a dress sometimes. You over paid and now you're getting called out for it. You could have waited but you're all about buying at warp speed.
You are impatient. Stop denying it.

>>10393943
>not understanding we were talking about terfs as a category of obnoxious and not how annoyingly you personally are
TERFs are whiny SJW assholes. they just think they are edgy because they don’t fall into line on one point. Have yet to meet one who isn’t.

>>10394068
She literally said she was impatient. Why are you so mad someone paid money for an item they wanted. It’s not everyone else’s responsibility to buy things at prices you can afford

>>10393560
you're retarded and there are totally people on here with money - even on other boards.
If you think CEOs don't come to 4chan for degrading deranged porn, you're naive as fuck.

>>10394076
I was responding to this
>I like how me waiting 2-3 years is considered impatient

I don't have a problem with it but she's the one who felt the need to tell us all how much she spent on a necklace cause she just wanted and couldn't wait anymore.

>>10394070
You're defending a group of "people" who dox people, excuse shit like paedofilia and threaten rape and murder every time someone disagrees with them and some how the evil terfs are bad because they believe men are men and women are women. And yet tetfs are the edgy ones... ok.

>>10394084
Im not defending shit, I’m saying people who identify as terfs are usually obnoxious SJWs but with a church mom attitude and bad hair.

>>10394088
>terfs are usually obnoxious SJWs but with a church mom attitude and bad hair.
holy fucking shit that's hilarious

>>10394068
Serious question, what is wrong with that? Why do you think someone needs to “get called out” for spending their own money however the fuck they please? You can call them “impatient” but why is that a bad thing in this context? You just sound poor and mad that people can afford to drop the money on scalped items.

Some people don’t care about it being overpriced, they want it enough to pay x amount and so they do. People don’t have to hold off buying from scalpers or overpriced items because it inconveniences other people. I have yet to hear a reason against doing so that doesn’t boil down to “reee makes it harder for me to afford what I want!!!!”

Why do people have to take the budget of others into consideration? Your wants and needs are not our personal responsibility. Anyone who thinks that way is a delusional, self important retard who needs to open their eyes to reality.

>>10394091
Also yes, I am salty because I am sick of retards complaining about things like this. People can spend their money however they want.

>>10394090
I’m not wrong. They act like because they disagree on literally one thing from SJWs that they are somehow better but Christ they are so much worse. Just look at who constantly derails threads trying to make shit about them. No one cares Madison. Go get an iced coffee and stop shitting up the board.

>>10394102
>I’m not wrong.
where did I say you were?
Why is everyone here so quick to be fucking defensive over shit that isn't even being said?

>>10394106
Oh sorry, I knew you agreed with me. Internet tone is hard and all that.

>>10394091
>what is wrong with that?
Well patience is a virtue.
They got called out because if you read the chain of replies, there were obviously already anons were not happy with someone buying a scalped item and then she felt the need to tell everyone about how she bought a scalped item.
Like if you're the odd ball out in a group of people who feel strongly about sometime, you should get prepared for people to respond and maybe even lash out.

Do you not understand that I only joined the chain of replies later in the discussion? I was mostly just making observations but now you're all mad about that.
Chill the fuck out. I'm not even trying to take sides.
If you have money you can do whatever you want with it. I don't give a shit.

>>10394108
No worries. I haven't been on cgl in awhile and now I can see quarantine really effected gulls hard lol

>>10394091
Agree with you. Time is money, if someone is spending 5 years waiting for an item probably means they have an incomplete coord for 5 years. Whatever interests you get from any savings in 5 years is probably more than $200 as well, it’s just not worth waiting that long. If you don’t have savings...... Well, poor fag be poor.

>>10394070
Y'all are the types to reeee and threaten suicide over getting misgendered lmao

Lolita's should be more interested in sewing like the vintage people. With vintage you got all the big youtubers making clothes and going into details about them and with lolita the people who are big just do coordination.

>>10394115
>probably means they have an incomplete coord for 5 years
This isn't an issue if you have a cohesive wardrobe. I've never personally waited for a dress that long but other girls in my comm have.
Sometimes girls will buy specific items ahead of time, like those girls who bought the HC bag before they could get a HC dress.
But most girls I know who are waiting on a dream dress, they just buy the rest of the coord after they actually get the dress.
It really depends. And if you have an actually cohesive wardrobe, it won't matter if you have a dress you're waiting for because those other items can just be used with other dresses.

>>10394120
Like I said, get a coffee and shut up Madison. No one wants to hear about muh gender all the time, even if it’s from you.

>>10394125
I wish I could get into sewing but I suck at math so everything I make is off and I have yet to find a way to get better at it.

>>10394128
How about you take your own fucking advice and stop losing your shit over TERFs on 4chan, troon

>>10394140
Lmao you started it because someone dared to say terf bangs. Calm down.

Wish they didn’t though because it’s like calling in the harpies

>>10394142
I'm not even that anon

Also the only chicks that have their bangs that short are tranny loving pickmeishas like yourself lol

>>10394145
SJWs. Of which terf is a category. See all the reeeing in this thread.

>>10394145
I had a hair stylist accidentally cut my bangs too short at the beginning of this year and it really pissed me off having to wait for them to grow out cause I know there are shit heads like you out there.

>>10394148
Because stating the biological differences between men and women is totally what SJWs do anon
>>10394152
For pointing out that libfems get shitty bangs?

that's enough derailing, post more unpopular opinions now

>>10394167
Sperging all over the place about muh morals and muh feminism sure is. This is a Swedish Death Metal forum. Take it to Tumblr.

>>10394167
>For pointing out that libfems get shitty bangs?
No because people like you assume that because you have those bangs you must be an annoying libfem.
I'm not a libfem but I still had those bangs.

>>10394088
yes just how trannies are usually obnoxious sjws but 6ft tall white hairy men with badly dyed hair.

>>10394178
it's a fucking joke, calm down.

>>10393141
what the fuck is a sissy

it's not unpopular that large tits look bad in lolita but it does seem to be unpopular that people should use binders if that's the case. shit is life-changing.

>>10394181
oh now it's a joke but earlier it was
>Y'all are the types to reeee and threaten suicide over getting misgendered lmao

Like fuck you, I don't want to be associated with that shit just because I had short bangs.
Your joke sucks and isn't funny.

>>10394197
That's because binders fuck people up a lot.
However, I would like to start wearing one now that I'm no longer interested in dating men.

>>10394197
Binders hurt and can permanently misshape your breasts. Big breasts look fine in dresses with the correct bodices (not high waisted) and enough room to fit them

>>10394219
it's been about a year and i've personally not experienced any pain, maybe it's different for larger sizes. everything i read prior to starting said it shouldn't hurt and to stop if it did.

> Big breasts look fine in dresses with the correct bodices (not high waisted) and enough room to fit them

idk about that either, i've never seen it look non-loafy. i'm sure i'm projecting to some extent, though. i also haven't experienced any change in shape myself, likely because i don't go more than 6 hours at a time. that's a good point on the whole, though.

>>10394229
I'd post some examples but only if you promise to not just say everything looks loafy even if it doesn't.

>>10394230
i promise anon! seeing flattering dresses would be great.

>>10394231
>>10394230
this interaction is cute af.

>>10394231
Here's something that isn't a coord photo and they're just showing the dress.
I don't think this is boob loaf because I can actually see the shape of her breasts and they look like the fit in the bodice naturally without having to be squeezed in.

>>10394206
>This joke isn't funny
>I'm offended, take it down
You're clearly a libfem at heart...

>>10394253
This girl was pretty good at not boobloafing even though she's definitely plus sized

>>10394256
I didn't say I was offended. You're reading into things that aren't there. I'm telling you that you suck at comedy.

>>10394257
Another bigger girl who managed to not load, I can see where the waist is on the dress too

>>10394262
*loaf
fuck that was a freudian slip

>>10394253
>>10394257
>>10394262
the first one especially is super cute, thank you! i'll look into boz.

>>10394126
Nayrt, I think they meant they have an incomplete set they’re waiting to finish, not literally that they’ve got items they can wear for 5 years. I wear my decoration dream all the time, but I’d kill to own the bonnet in my colorway. I haven’t managed to snag it in 3 years and I’d probably pay scalped prices because then my set will be complete.

>>10394276
I'm sorry but I mentioned the thing about the Honey Cake series.

Doesn't that fall under having an incomplete set?
Also, the other anon did say unfinished coord, and not unfinished set. Those aren't the same thing.

>>10394197
I went to the trouble of getting one and all it did was push my boobs into my arm pits and make me look heavy set and boxy and weird. No thanks, I’d rather just not wear high waisted things.

>>10394275
no problem, it's so nice to see nice anons on here!

>>10394081
For everyone that's been hating on me for buying a AP necklace at $200... This ring was listed on CC and was bought in under 2 minutes or so.

Get mad at me all you want, but others are making the same decision I did. There was also the AP giraffe ring for ~$75. Unless we want to start calling CC a rotten business full of scalpers, my evaluation of the piece I bought at $200 wasn't outrageous as everyone is making it out to be.

>>10394376
Stop caring so much what people think about you

>>10394376
HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
I knew something looked wrong about this ring. IT'S LITERALLY MISSING PART OF IT'S FACE.

I'm dying of laughter right now. Some poor soul bought this.

>>10394376
>>10394382
Sorry I suck at posting images.

>>10394376
Why are you so buttmad about a bunch of strangers not liking your decision? No one honestly cares and everyone is just arguing to have something to do, due to the 'rona boredness. Some people agree with you, some don't. Quit sperging.

>>10394066
>Software engineers make that much money
Holy shit, where? I'm in the bay area and they barely make 100k here. They're nearly all visa workers too, not people who would be here lol

There is no reason whatsoever to shower before a con.

>>10394408
I think your bait would get more bites here: >>10364561

>>10394409
I wasn't baiting but thanks.

>>10394125
I kind of agree, but none of the vintage people in my area are into sewing. Everyone just buys from repro brands and obsesses over red lipstick. The sewing scene in my area is pretty much divided between mommy bloggers and costumers.

>>10394129
Does your body differ from standard sizing a lot? If not you can probably get away with no or minimal altering of commercial patterns. There’s practically zero math involved with those, the big companies even print rectangular pieces onto the tissue paper so you never have to draft anything. If you want to make serious alterations or draft things yourself though then you’ll definitely have to do some math.

>>10394376
>For everyone that's been hating on me
I don't think anyone was hating on you. It was all just discussion and banter..
Bitches on here take shit way too seriously.

>>10394421
Yeah, I wish I could make serious alterations to some of my dresses but I suck at math so I'm stuck having someone else do it.

>>10394421
I've also seen a technique used by kamui cosplay for making patterns, basically you wrap yourself in clingfloil, put tape over that and draw the pattern on yourself. cut it out and bam! pattern to your measurements without the math!

>>10394376
>>10394382
>>10394384
Unpopular opinion: CC is now run by scalpers.

Honestly, CC hasn't been the best with their assessment of items lately. This was probably just a mistake, but a very unfortunate one for the buyer.

>>10392900
I hate doing hair and make-up. I just want to wear lace and cute prints on my body. I don't want to tear out my eyebrow hair, get eyeshadow in my eyeballs, damage my hair with heat-styling, or pull on my hair with ponytails and wet-sets.

>>10394663
I know this is the unpopular opinion thread but you sound like a big baby. Keep practicing; they're practical life skills.

>>10394663
I stopped doing my eyebrows years ago and nobody has ever said anything even though they comment on other parts of how I look (like when I don't shave my legs).

>>10394671
Eyeshadow gets inside your body no matter how good you are at applying it

>>10394671
>practical life skills
I don’t think that means what you think it means.

>>10394663
Wearing lolita actually makes make-up fun for me.

>>10394671
This is kind of sexist though. Wearing makeup isn't really a life skill. Maybe hygiene is. But I don't wear any make-up in my regular life and only taught myself because of lolita and job interviews.

>>10394683
>>10394686
Idk what kind of jobs you have, but good on you.

>>10394686
>>10394683
Is this an American thing? At least look presentable, trim your brows and style your hair neatly.

>>10394671
It's only a practical skill if you're a golddigger. Otherwise, it's purely a hobby.

>>10394710
Or if you have a job and want to be taken seriously.

>>10394704
Looking presentable doesn’t have to mean full face of makeup and done up hair

>>10394388
Amazon tech workers in seattle make that much regularly

>>10394686
>because of lolita and job interviews
>job interviews
Yea sounds like it's a life skill after all.

>>10394704
I shower, moisturize, and then blow dry my hair. But that's really it.

I've never understood brow maintenance. I don't wear make up regularly because most of the ingredients are pretty terrible for you, no matter the brand.

>>10394711
Styling your hair is not the same as brushing your hair. Brushing your hair is not a skill after elementary school. And make-up will make people take you less seriously because they'll think you're trying to bang an exec.

>>10394376
You’re an oversensitive retard that cares too much about people’s critiques and opinions on you.
Grow up.
Just bc another piece of overpriced plastic sold for an insane amount doesn’t mean your decision wasn’t impulsive and dumb

>>10394388
100k in the Bay Area seems pretty low for a software engineer. I would move to a cheaper state if I was paid that low for tech.

But I'm bias. I'm only familiar with salaries at Facebook, Google, etc.

>>10394720
Nah, they’ve done psych studies. Wearing no makeup or too much makeup is bad, but people of both sexes think a woman is more competent and professional when she has just a little makeup on. like mascara, thin eyeliner, blush, light lip color. The basics.

>>10394723
I guess if she works as a retail shopgirl, which a bunch of them do.

>>10394725
No, business professionals

>>10394720
I wasn't the anon you replied to. And you act like there's only pornstar makeup or no makeup with nothing inbetween, really weird.

>>10394725
No, it applies to the majority of non minimum wage jobs. You're either too young to be on 4chan, a man or a neet.

>>10394732
Sorry about your fantasy, but I'm an adult woman with an office job. I think wearing heels to work in an office is unprofessional.

>>10394740
>I think wearing heels to work in an office is unprofessional.
where the fuck do you live where this is a thing?
You sound sexist as fuck.

>>10394721
>>10394381
I originally posted in this thread because I don't care what people think about me spending my own money. That's exactly why I posted.

People got mad about it. People said I was impatient. Blah blah. We're in the unpopular opinions thread. The discussion has now devolved into people telling me I'm "oversensitive" because apparently we're all in 5th grade and that's a cool way to insult people on the internet.

At the end of the day, I have the item I wanted and I'm happy with my decision. In response to the original anon I replied to - people buying items at a higher price is not "unfair to people who can't afford it." This is a hobby/fashion at the top of Maslow's hierarchy. It does not need to be fair or accessible to everyone.

>>10394742
Dressing traditionally to the office gives off "I want to marry a manager from another department and go on maternity leave" vibes. This is the unpopular opinions thread - you don't have to like it.

>>10394746
God fucking damn. What is up with the massive amount of anons who can't answer questions lately?

>>10394745
I don't think anyone actually got mad. You're reading into a tone that isn't there.

>>10394746
Now this is sexism

>>10394740
What? Who was even talking about heels? And if you work an office job you should be very familiar with the topic make-up. This just keeps getting weirder.

>>10394750
I'll stop having that opinion once they stop banging supervisors. If you think your coworkers aren't hooking up, you're very naive.

Alright let's get this train back on the tracks. I think honey cake is overrated and AP should have re-released the dream carnival prints instead. Or at least make dresses in that cut again because that silhouette looks Way better than the sea of cross ridden muumuus they've been spamming for more than a year now.

>>10394752
You sound sexist yourself for thinking make-up is work-related.

>>10394745
>I don't care what people think about me and I'm happy with it!
>spends the whole thread justifying herself to strangers
pixie is that u

>>10394745
Oh ffs shut the fuck up already. We get it, you're butthurt that people shat on you for a purchase you made. Boo fucking hoo.

>>10394765
Why are people getting this triggered that I keep replying?

>>10394761
I didn't bring up sexism anywhere, you are talking to multiple people. And yes it is work related for the reasons several anons stated above. Especially in usual office climates.

>>10394772
Ayrt Because you sound like spoiled brat that doesn't know when to shut up and just leave the fire alone to burn out.

>>10394774
Well, my unpopular opinion is that it's completely not work-related in an office environment other than as a method of compensating with attractiveness in case the work turns out unsatisfactory. I understand it's work-related in fashion retail jobs and in tip-based jobs like food service. And furthermore, dressing according to traditional values gives off the impression of having traditional values overall like the outdated syereotype of young women going to work to find a breadwinning spouse.

>>10394772
I don't know if you have been browsing here lately but it seems to be the norm these days to just get upset and defensive if anyone replies to you - even if there was no ill intent.

>>10394785
Have you ever had a job interview in your life? Any conversations with superiors, collegues or clients?
Like an anon above said, there are multiple studies about how you are perceived with and without light make-up and some employers won't hesitate to give you subtle remarks about it.

>>10394796
I'm a team lead and have received multiple awards at work. Nobody has commented on my appearance. I wear zero make-up, and I don't style my hair beyond combing it. I wear a black suit with trousers and flat shoes. You are really stuck on my qualifications. It is possible to be successful and have an unpopular opinion.

I thought it was weird that anons get so worked up about a woman not wearing makeup. But then I remembered I'm on 4channel.

>>10394802
>>10394796
>>10394785
None of this is lolita related. Shut the fuck up and talk about lolita unpopular opinions

>>10394803
>actually calling it 4channel

>>10394755
Are you a man or a career stunted office lady? Because damn that's toxic. Sorry you aren't getting promotions or tons of sex.

>>10394807
Sorry, neither. It's fun to imagine the people who disagree with you are losers, but it's not realistic. I'm imagining you're a loser as well, but I'm sure you feel otherwise.

>>10394803
It's not about them not wearing makeup, it's their weird out of touch "you either wear no make up or you're a gold digging thot looking for a man" attitude.

>>10394802
This is the worst larp I've read this year so far.

>>10394817
My point was that wearing make-up is a hobby, not a work-related skill. It's perfectly great for women to wear it for their own enjoyment, but it doesn't make you in any way more professional to me and in fact sways in the other direction. That doesn't mean wearing any make-up to work instantly makes you a thot.

>>10394821
This feels like getting called a hacker in an FPS. Thank you.

>>10394824
Agreed and honestly even in work environments where subtle makeup gives you a subconscious leg-up, all you need is maybe a little eyeliner, mascara and maybe concealer if you have bad skin. There are very few fields where makeup would be considered a “life skill” that employees need to actively practice and I doubt the original anon is in such a field if she doesn’t enjoy makeup in the first place.

Are we being raided again?

>>10392959
Yeah we've all read that Art by Andi comic.

>>10394832
Do you even comprehend what you wrote? "a little eyeliner, mascara and maybe concealer" is makeup.

>>10394838
School is out and summer's here.

>>10392900
there's nothing wrong with crossplay

>>10394838
Schools are closed until like next year where I live so I assume it's a bunch underage b& dumb bells.

>>10394821
I'm not that anon and I'm not friends with them but before I got laid off I used to work with a girl who went from being T1 to T2 in like a month and then got promoted to lead and then later on QA tester. She never really wore make up and I know she didn't sleep her way to the top cause I hung out with her and we talked about stuff like that.

Letting trannies into lolita comms was a fucking mistake. Now everyone bends over backwards trying to spare these gross ass men's feelings.

>>10392959
I'd agree, but the gatekeeping pushed by the western comm makes no sense, I'd rather some japanese oldfags make a set of definite rules and for westerners to just shut the hell up for once. I'm sick of hearing that lolita needs a petticoat as rule no.1 gospel when that is a plain misunderstanding of the aesthetics of the fashion, seeing as plenty of coords don't have those key things and still read as lolita. Goth has survived this long because the look doesn't matter so much as the innate connection of music. If lolita were a real subculture we'd have that to fall back on. Instead we're all scrambling around desperate for lifestyle to bring us all together. The western rules are killing the community, and turning it into paint-by-numbers or cosplay.

>>10394846
>>10394871
Feels more like /r9k/ and /lgbt/ than the usual summer.

>>10394905
are you the same anon who defended cat ears in the general

>>10394908
You're right but I think it's also people stuck at home with nothing better to do.

>>10394257
This girl made a video called "how i stretch out my AP"
She undoes the straps on her jsks and pins the bodice to her bras. Fuck'n legendary mate.

>>10394921
No?

Wigs look bad in lolita 99% of the time, because lolitas are stupid and wear them like hats, unstyled, improperly cut or not cut at all, and from cheap producers. Natural hair would take plenty of coords out of ita territory and into a solid "nitpick".

>>10394957
I remember watching that video on here and then I started doing it too.

I think big boobs are fine in lolita. It's more of a completely untrue statement than an opinion, but whatever, I was born stupid.

>>10392959
Eh the goth comparison doesn’t really work though. Lolita doesn’t have like direct ties to music or something it’s not visual kie.

Not saying I have anything against some gatekeeping just that no real specifics are provided in your post. At least in the west I don’t get the impression that lolita has super hard solid rules. I’d be curious to hear what people idea of gatekeeping would be with lolita.

>>10395006
Well a lot of it you see here on 4chan. "trans ppl can't wear lolita"
"too fat"
"too ugly"
"too dark"
And so on.

>>10395027
Saying shit like that isn't gatekeeping, that's being an asshole

>>10395027
This is the one single place where people don't kiss the asses of those you named 24/7. And they can wear lolita, they just look like shit in it most of the time, except for the dark skinned.

>>10394885
Sissys and crossdressers =/= trans people

6%DokiDoki is overrated and overpriced. Paying hundred(s) of dollars for tulle skirts and acrylic jewelry that looks like it came from Claires is fucking insane. The thought of them closing down actually excites me because it means Sebastian Matsuda can move onto something else. I love the work he did with Kawaii Monster Cafe and Kyary Pamyu Pamyu but with 6% he basically released the same sort of art over and over again for insanely high prices.

>>10395054
I wouldn't even group crossdressers (or brolitas, whatever you wanna call them) with sissies, those shitbags are a seperate breed.

>>10395054
But letting them in caused an influx of sissies/AGPs invading our spaces because if mods don't let them in they will get called TERFs. We also have our languaged policed thanks to them so they can go fuck themselves

I think ALL lolita now is priced too high for what we get. Sorrynotsorry, but the quality of fabric and construction in BRAND, ANY brand, has NOT been high as of late. It was higher 10 years ago, and even then I thought the prices were steep for at-brand prices (unless of course each dress really was handmade by 1-2 seamstresses in a Japanese shop that pays fair wages).

This includes Bodyline and Taobao. It's ALL priced too high. Jewelry, legwear, shoes, bags, main pieces, blouses, cutsews, parkas, jackets, you name it, it's all priced too high.

>>10395060
>"reeeee poorfag!!" incoming

>>10395060
Do you only shop at old navy or something? Normie fashion is even more expensive than brand, if you’re poor you shouldn’t have niche fashion as a hobby.

>>10392959
Some gatekeeping is necessary of course but the western comm takes it to retarded levels that the east doesn't. The west seriously thinks it does lolita better than the Japanese themselves, who invented the damn thing.

Lolita isn't really a subculture btw, subcultures share values or opinion among the entire group, like punks being anti-govt control. Lolitas don't have anything like that and disagree on everything.

>>10395060
Blame inflation.

>>10395060
I'm going to argue the opposite: clothing isn't priced high enough. We should be paying more including Bodyline/Taobao. Lolita is treated as a luxury and exclusive fashion by most people who wear it, and we should act like it.

>>10395054
How would you know? Any man can put on a dress and say they are trans. It's not easy to tell sissies and mtfs apart 9/10.

>>10395060
It’s priced the same as it was 10 years ago, so that’s why you’re getting shittier quality, because inflation has made it effectively cheaper and they have to cut production costs

>>10395068
I agree with you about that but you made a weird comparison to punk cause not all punk is anti govt control.

>>10395068
>Lolitas don't have anything like that and disagree on everything.
it's funny you say this because the argument in the LJ thread begs to differ. apparently we are supposed to share politics??

>>10395107
It really isn’t that hard to tell sissies apart from trannies. Sissies are horny men who are usually super obvious about being such.

>>10395067
there it is. the reeeeing i mean.

Brolitas are as ugly as sissies or trannies and should be treated as such

>>10395204
the asian ones usually look pretty good. the white ones tho, yeah.

The western community is far better than the Japanese community.

>>10395298
I wanna hear reasoning on this
Not because I disagree but because I am curious

>>10395115
are you the anon from the LJ thread who wasn't aware that lolita was founded on gender politics?

>>10395308
no, i'm the one who said it's fine for people to not care about lolita's roots from 30 years ago.

>>10395311
Interesting. The other comment mentioned sharing politics though and that seemed to relate to the anon that was bitching about politics in that thread.
But ok.

>>10395320
i wasn't bitching about it, i was just pointing out that we can't have both nothing in common and supposed to share politics.

>>10395324
>we can't have both nothing in common and supposed to share politics.
Actually that is possible.
People can agree on one thing and disagree on another. That being said, you can share gender politics but not other politics. But gender politics are important to this fashion because it's about looking femme and elegant.
You can't deny that part so you have to admit that you either share this or you're not really a lolita.

I think you're just too hung up on this all or nothing as if there is no grey area.

>>10395340
i didn't say anything about being black and white, you're stating the point i was trying to make...

>>10394905
>I'd rather some japanese oldfags make a set of definite rules
They did, which is where westeners got their rules from in the first place. It's so weird seeing these claims, but I guess that's what happens when a new generation of lolitas grow up on social media with nothing but pictures, detached from previous decades of research and discussion.

>>10395054
Same thing
Just trans take it to the extreme and mutilate their own genitals

>>10395373
You do know that actual trans people are mentally-ill right? In order to be properly diagnosed as trans you must be experiencing gender dysphoria so most if not all trans women who have it will try their hardest to pass as cis women. At some point, you might have already come across a regular well-dressed lolita who was actually a trans woman and you didn't even bat an eye on her because she passed. Sissies or crossdresser usually don't even attempt to fully pass since being recognized as men won't make them feel like shit about themselves/trigger dysphoria.

>>10395377
Nta but in countries with self-ID, anyone who says they’re trans is legally trans. The person who joined my comm with a bunch of sissyfication and bimbofication fetish images all over his public FB is legally a woman and it could be considered a human rights violation if we say otherwise.

>>10395379
That's literally such a dumb regulation I'll never be able to wrap my head around, putting those who are just horny into one category with those who really struggle to the point they consider killing themselves is just wrong.

Your coords won't ever be percived as ita if you put them on a terribly programmed neocities page with a background that hurts eyes and too many gifs. That's a fact.

Its better to invest in one good pair of genuie leather shoes than to buy tones of shit plastic shoes from lolita brands

>>10395377
No, the DSM-V removed what was known as dysphoria and now it's literally if the person really wants to be another gender than they are.

>>10395520
I'll also add that I think they are wrong and politically motivated, and they have a long history of bullshit.

>>10395457
This!!

>>10395377
>men passing as women in Lolita
no, none of them do. the only trannies interested in Lolita are all AGPs who do not pass in the slightest. I think I know
of one that is "straight" (gay) and although he makes an effort he still looks biologically male.

>>10394877
>she didn’t sleep her way to the top
>QA tester
>the top
anon pls

Having a horrible attitude and personality isn’t cute or funny
You’re just a daft cunt

So tired of lolitas intentionally being massive bitches for no reason

Go get urself off a different way

>>10395816
At that company it was considered high up
She was a lead too.

>>10395300
Not that anon, but I can see this.
As far as I've experienced, the Japanese community isn't so much a community as just a bunch of brands with (mostly) brand loyal customers who enjoy dressing in their style. That's completely fine and respectable, but I feel like the western community generally put more thought into it nowadays and cares more about the 'philosophy' behind the style. It's not that the Japanese comm is bad, it's just that it feels like it's as much a united 'comm' as, say, 50s/rockabilly fashion is in the west.

>>10396079
this

>>10394821
My boss is a fat butch lesbian who wears slacks, sneakers, and no makeup every day and she makes ~300k a year.

>>10396570
I mean, there's been a bunch of studies showing that being thinner and wearing makeup leads to better professional outcomes. But wow, I wish all those researchers had just looked at your boss and the another anon posting. They wouldn't have even needed to do those studies if only they'd talked to insightful people on /cgl/.

>>10396583
My entire workplace is full of fat women and/or thin women who don't wear makeup and we all do very well. But keep crying about how makeup is a life skill.

>>10396590
>My anecdote disproves data
Are the other women in your office as retarded?

>>10396599
I'm not denying data. I'm just trying to show it's not a LARP for unattractive women to be succesful which you and >>10394821 seem to be hellbent on.

>>10396604
I think the part that's a LARP is people lacking critical thinking skills claiming they're super successful.

>>10396607
Stay mad. Keep practicing your makeup skills, maybe they'll get you somewhere.

>>10396612

>>10396583
Is that data from people with male bosses? I really doubt my female bosses care if I wear makeup

might be popular, but: general lolita community forums have absolutely gone to shit in the past couple years. I got into the fashion circa ~2016 after a couple years of lurking so it's not like I'm some oldfag, but getting back into facebook during quarantine it seems to me that all the kids from amino went into CoF and Rufflechat and decided to make it their own. It's honestly a pain in the ass to see the same exact topics that have been done to death clog up my feed.

>>10395379
I doubt legal authorities can get involved in stuff like lolita communities- I mean, it's basically just a friendgroup with rules on who gets to be in the gc, it's not an institution.
Seconding other replies, it's bullshit that normal trans women are getting lumped in with random fetish sickos.

>>10396821
I'm tired of the clones on Facebook who think acting like an elitist is endearing or pretending to be Tyler will help them fit in.

>>10392959
I totally agree with you. There's a clear desperation people have to fit in. They want to be able to use the lolita tags, and post on CoF. But they also want to experiment with the fashion to a heavy degree. Self expression should always come before community. I think a lot of people need to embrace a la mode and recognize that you don't always have to be a "lolita". It's simply a meaningless label that indicates nothing about the wearer. Someone telling you that a coord is not lolita is not the same as telling someone that your coordinate is bad or that experimentation is wrong- it simply means that it doesn't suit the boundaries of an established fashion. Like you said, lolita is not a personality, and it's not about external hobbies. It's simply a label.
That all being said, I don't like the way the "experimental" coords are handled. There's nothing morally wrong about posting a coord to CoF that they mistakenly think is lolita. They don't need 300 comments that are indistinguishable from another. The dogpile doesn't help. We get it, people are desperate to dunk on some random girl so they can get capped for Tyler's new video. People who do that are far worse than the person who posts in the first place, because they are the ones who are desperate for attention and validation.
I think this cycle is largely caused by CoF's poor moderation. They need to stop letting coords that are not lolita in/coords that will end up being controversial in, because that just enables the dogpile, which is then followed by the asspats. There needs to be a middle ground. If a post already has 100 comments of people saying "that's not lolita", there's no need for 100 more. At that point the OP will just think they're being unfairly attacked and keep doing it, rather than listening to genuine advice and improving. The punishment should fit the crime.

>>10396821
People have been saying that for ages. Nostalgia.

>>10396821
Blame tumblr mindset/SJW culture overtaking every lolita space (and yes, even cgl looking at the current state) and forcing it to be inclusive uwu hugboxes.

>>10396604
>unattractive women
We were talking about make-up/no make-up. Seems like someone took it a bit too personal, which explains the rambling about heels and gold diggers.

>>10396607
This and the "i won x awards, that's how successful I am!" kek.

>>10396570
can you set me up with your boss plz

>>10398448
You can't seriously think there's only one anon who knows "you have to wear makeup or else you won't be taken seriously" is bs.

>>10398451
Sorry, she's married with two kids, one adopted the other IVF. You don't want her anyways, her superiors make way more than her.

>>10396570
This is the weirdest flex I’ve ever seen

>>10393804
I agree, I prefer taobao blouses and accessories to brand. Brand dresses are far superior in quality. Sorry AP I love you but I’m not going to pay $100 for a fake leather purse that will fall apart just from basic use.

Not sure if this is unpopular but I hate the red eyes on Usakumya. I know there's blue eyed versions but all I see on LM rn is $240+...