/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Another AP production rant coming through: this Kyoto re-release gave me hope DTP will hit Grand Bazar too, although now I see this edition is different from original. It doesn't have that creepy cute guy on the chest. Ugh, that was such a cute detail.

>>10324873
I thin it's up to the which piece of fabric/luck if you get the doll baby on the bodice

>>10324875
Look for pictures of first release and other colorways from Kyoto blog. It mostly JSKs with bear doll aligned for first release and cutlery for second release. Probs they did it on purpose to make this release a bit different.

>>10324820
>Rose Castle Invitation from the Duke of Bat
God bless lolita and it's dumb names

Im not sure if it belongs here or on stupid questions thread...

I see this btssb's babydoll replica a lot on aliexpress lately. Why is that?
I mean its iconic oldschool piece but who would buy a replica of it?

>>10324980
>who would buy a replica
Itas

>>10324984
Old school babydoll replica isn't something itas would buy, is it?

It's not your typical "kawaii loli" dress

>>10324980
people who can't afford or wouldn't fit into the original release. that should be obvious

has anyone experienced rediscovering a lolita they used to follow a lot on social media? I was browsing lolita sales and realized I recognized this girl from her con/lolita horror stories blog on tumblr. on instagram it looks like she’s into more mori (and keeps tagging her posts as housewife-kei??) now. it just felt odd realizing I used to see a specific person’s outfits so often and then went years forgetting they existed

>>10324988
Back in the day black and white lacemonsters were an ita staple and those were old school replicas as well. Or that infamous &Romeo replica which I wouldn't exactly call modern either.

>>10324994
Nayrt, what replica are you talking about?

>>10324993
The exact same thing with this exact person happened to me as well like yesterday lol.

>>10324993
>keeps tagging her posts as housewife-kei
damn, did you accidentally find HWC?

>>10325082
apparently yes, am I better off not knowing?

>>10325136
It’s a troll that’s been gone for four years that some anons can’t let go, I doubt it’s HWC

>>10324886
>Tfw no Duke of Bat to invite me to his rose castle

>>10324980
It's expensive second hand, and with old school coming back it's popular. I don't get it either. I guess there's still some people who aren't ok with print replicas but don't mind design replicas.

>>10325145
you mean most people? design replicas aren't illegal, so who cares. just like generic shoe or bag replicas.

>>10324988
>>10324980

animango weebs. Milanope is practically built on making cheap "lolita cosplays" for those girls whose idea of lolita comes from anime and they haven't realised there's another side of colourful kawaii prints than the outdated crap anime like to draw.

>>10325154
I don't care that it's not illegal, I don't want a tacky knockoff. Congrats if you do.

>>10325154
Most people don't entirely base their morals on what isn't illegal and have an opinion about it

okay, since we’re still talking about replicas what do yall think about non-commercial handmade replicas?

>>10325249
Already a no from me dawg for the replicated printed fabric.

>>10325249
I think non print replicas, or maybe heavily inspired are ok, as long as it’s for yourself .

>>10325249
as long as you're not making a profit from someone elses' stolen art by selling them i have no problem with this.

>>10324993
It makes me sad that she’s involved with the tradwife community.

>>10325249
If you can make something like that, why not make an original?

>>10324980
I got one so I could see how a babydoll cut would look on me. I love the design to pieces, but didn’t want to spend a lot of money on a Baby dress that wouldn’t look flattering. The cut looked hideous on me as expected and sold it to a newbie for the price I bought it for. Saved me a lot of money then if I would have bought the dress from Baby.

>>10325373
Wtf lol how wasteful, you couldn't try a babydoll cut at a store?

>>10325142
>tfw no Duke of Bat to have Elegant Bampire Romance with

>>10325374
Unless you live in Japan trying on clothing is a bit hard, not? But don’t see how it is wasteful, I didn’t lose any money on it and a newbie got a dress. Everything ends well.

It’s pretty cute they did panda bears as China special.

>>10325402
this is getting out of control.

>>10325402
he looks a bit fucked up without the eye spots though

>>10324980
I had this shitty one but sold it on lacemarket and someone bought it immediately. I bought a better quality one that's almost identical to btssb on taobao for like $50 and the lace is beautiful and people can't tell the difference. I dont wear it that often so It wouldn't even be worth spending $450+ on the real deal. I still see the original getting scalped to hell and everytime it releases it sells out immediately and it's sad.

>>10325436
drop links based replica anon

>>10325434
He gots...special eyes

>>10325386
It's wasteful that it had to be produced, shipped and shipped again. You can try on dresses that cut in normie stores instead of financially supporting replica makers.

>>10325249
Don't like it because whoever they bought the print replica fabric from profits. Handmade design replicas are ok though as long as they aren't sold.

>>10325154
I think its an extremely grey area. If it’s like the babydoll dress referenced where there is a lot of lace and ruffle details in specific spots then even though it’s legal it’s in terrible taste. The design isn’t generic enough that I’d say it’s okay. However, I’ve seen people here say that a generic a-line dress with a sweetheart neckline can’t be done because mary magdalene is known for them which is absurd. There are lines and at some point a design is generic enough that it doesn’t matter

>>10325434
I hate it because of the missing Panda Eye spots

How long do we have to wait until we see people shitting up CoF with these?

>>10325492
Oh god... On the plus side, maybe lolita will get trendy enough that some normie brands will put out lolita appropriate cutsews. I don’t care if other people look like idiots if I can stock up on cheap cropped cardigans for casual wear

>>10325003
The absolute most classic ita staple of them all, newfriend

>>10325492
At least they aren't being marketed as lolita that I can see, just vintage-inspired.
I remember when pusheen was just this cute indie comic on the internet lol

>>10325503
I actually hate that, a little. It’s clearly lolita inspired so companies hiding the fact that it’s based on a japanese street fashion seems underhanded. Just say it’s lolita inspired

>>10325496
I love this one

>>10325522
The original brand is not that expensive so it's extra stupid. They have great petticoats btw.

>>10325505
People would misunderstand that

>>10325526
Idk, I hated when jillian pretended like she invented fairy kei and this kind of bothers me too

>>10325447
Ok, show the class which normie store carries btssb babydoll style cut with shirring and elastic straps.

>>10325492
Why are rockabilly dresses always so tight? Do rockabilly chicks never eat lunch or get bloated? What stupid designs

>>10325505
the creator was a lolita once so I'm sure they're aware; they could purposefully not be saying anything related to lolita/jfashion because they know it isn't the right shape for real lolita and they don't want to give newbies ideas

>>10325527
imagine being named kawaii ambassador for stealing a fashion style that already existed for a decade

>>10325614
They're referencing a time when women wore a lot of shapewear under their clothes, but instead of making a dress for shapewear they just make it too small so you can squeeze your fat into it like spanx. Blame modern underwear.

>>10325436
>>10325437
Seconding, need link.

>>10325533
kek

>>10325643
This, I want to wear it as lounge-wear and not post it anywhere desu

>>10325492
The creator of Pusheen was a lolita, wonder if she had influence on this

>>10325437
The link doesn't load anymore or maybe it's just my wifi but I'll drop a pic from when it was at the warehouse

>>10325402
Autistic panda

>>10325681
any pic of her coords?

>>10325688
What was the shop name?

>>10325245
you do realize that other people aren't obligated to share your ~morals~ though right?

>>10325362
why sad? she doesn't have to work and gets to spend someone else's money on her hobbies. lucky bitch.

>>10325463
the debate about the one mm dress makes me lol every time. it's so fucking generic

>>10325492
I have a Pusheen skirt just like this from a couple years ago. They sell them consistently at Hot Topic. I don't think it will bleed into lolita all of a sudden now

>>10325505
looks like rockabilly inspired to me

>>10325755
我在淘宝Lite发现了 新款 玛丽的不可思议假期 lolit jk op,一起来看! https://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/detail.html?id=564345010422&spm=a2141.7c.recommend.4&main_itemid=610780496471&go_item_id=564345010422&pvid=1ea9ecc8-8662-49c2-ab3f-9fcd35b1741e&utparam=%7B%22x_object_type%22%3A%22item%22%2C%22x_object_id%22%3A564345010422%7D&scm=1007.10766.109936.1002003000000001#modal=share&timeStamp=1579658600220..
Heres link to different dress on their store but they definitely deleted the Babydoll one

>>10325761
>she doesn't have to work and gets to spend someone else's money on her hobbies. lucky bitch.
Spoken like someone who doesn't have to manage an entire household + potentially kids

>>10325766
Rockabilly doesn’t do cupcake silhouettes

>>10325527
You can hardly call what Jillian wears fairy kei. It's Western fairy kei at most.

>>10325763
Right? I saw someone on here bitch about a square neck fully shirred dress with neck ties once and I could not contain my keks

>>10325788
It sure as shit isn’t “birthday kei”

>>10325782
i'd much rather cook, clean, and do laundry while being able to buy whatever i want than do my actual job which is a lot more difficult and getting underpaid for it.

>>10325769
anon is galaxy brain and doesn't know how to copy the shops link, so here's the link to the babydoll listing.
>https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=521591851855&spm=a2141.7631565.3.0_0

>>10325792

get a different job or negotiate harder then.

>>10325790
>>10325763

People like you are why the only thing we get these days are tacky copyrighted prints in generic cuts and shitty taobao solids.

>>10325763
>>10325790
kys you obnoxious fucks

>>10325794
you don't seem to understand that not everyone enjoys working. there's nothing wrong with wanting to be a tradwife.

>>10325804
>>10325797
Are you okay anon?

>>10325793
Sorry I dont use taobao that often, but it's still deleted or something

>>10325804

Oof, struck a nerve huh.

>>10325808

perfectly fine, I am not both answers, just pointing out the downward trend in quality overall is likely due to people in general wanting things more immediately without as much care for quality.

>>10325797
no, that's just because prints are superior and lolita has evolved past basic solids. stay mad

>>10325755
Yall want this replica so damn bad, I wish I had gotten more colors of it before but now that I have a good job I can afford the legit one if it shows up.

>>10325813
Anon, I almost exclusively buy brand. Most of the things I was talking about are amusing because a large number of brands themselves release them. Again, after a certain point you get ridiculous.

>>10325813
what does quality have to do with this conversation

>>10325492
Not long. Someone is already asking about it in the BSoLF. At first all was well and people were discouraging OP but then the itas chimed in with how lolita it is...

>>10325764
Was it jersey? These are made of stiffer cotton I think

>>10325492
>>10325837

Eh. I think I can make it work. An underskirt, a frilly blouse would take it pretty far, it's not much worse than some IW cuts.

The print is stupid levels of ugly though. You think people bash on AP for looking like kids clothes, these genuinely look like they were drawn by kids for kids.No shading, no delicate lines, the repeat isn't even interesting, it's like the same lazy 20cm repeated. Pusheen is cute, but goddamn this is gonna be a really ugly coord that does nothing except announce how blind you are to the rest of the world.

>>10325761
the tradwife community is racist and sexist. it encourages women to drop hobbies and only care for their husbands and children, and live frugally. i don't see what is very glamorous about it.

>>10324826
IW anon I got my invoice a couple of hours ago. They didn’t find the socks but the rest of my order went through. They are charging the price +tax though which annoys me.

Hope you get your invoice soon!

>>10325782
Stay at home mom is my dream job but unfortunately middle class people can't afford a house with only 1 so now I just take care of other people's kids

>>10325782 #
Stay at home mom is my dream job but unfortunately middle class people can't afford a house with only 1 income so now I just take care of other people's kids

>>10324792

To the kind anon who helped me out at the end of the last thread regarding the I W sales, thank you. I’m glad I held out a bit longer before contacting IW again. They’ve just invoiced me, having managed to find one of the skirt I was after. I hope that they manage to source the socks in your order that sold out online.

>>10325879
I think it's just the opposite in terms of hobbies! I'm a housewife and I've been able to indulge in all of my hobbies such as art, sewing, baking/cooking, as well as lolita of course, in the time that I would otherwise be working at a job I hate. It's nice to get all of the household chores done at the beginning of the day and have the rest of your day to do as you please.

>>10325995
that’s fine for not an housewives, but not women in the tradwife community. look at trending tags and reddit groups within that subculture. they would hate something outlandish like lolita fashion.

>>10325995
How did you find someone willing to marry a freeloader?

>>10325997
Ah okay, people often use tradwife interchangeably for housewife in a sort of derogatory manner so I wasn't sure.
>>10326012
If you marry someone who actually loves you they'd support your endeavors regardless of whether you're bringing money to the table or not. Even so, many people do view homemaking as a valuable skill, you know.

>>10326022
I wouldn’t mind being a housewife but men are untrustworthy. It’s a very vulnerable position to be in.

Are you team satin or team grosgrain?

>>10326043
I like the sheer glittery shit baby and meta use. Matte ribbon is also great

>>10326043
Grosgrain reminds me of those bows for toddlers that you'd find at walmart or whatever.

>>10325980
I work 2 jobs and would love to just expand my sidegig a little and stay home with kids but the capitalism machine disagrees. I’m not even good at my full time job, so it’s not like anyone is benefiting from this arrangement

>>10326043
For bows, satin. I do love grosgrain neckties though.

what do you think about recent AP rereleases? are you getting something from upcoming events?

>>10326043
Satin if it’s a subdued color. Brightly colored satin looks cheap as hell

>>10325977
Ah ha! You posted just before I did but I didn’t see your comment. I’m sorry that you didn’t get the socks, but I’m glad that the rest of your order went through ok. Do you mind me asking what you grabbed from the sale?

>>10326117
I'm not into sweet Lolita so I'm wondering about the Toy Fanatsy rerelease? Was it even popular?

>>10326043
Grosgrain,
I'm extremely surprised l I'll lolitas would choose satin for anything

>>10326124
Satin ribbons are gorgeous. Sorry, some of us don’t wear 2010 sweet

>>10326043
Team Velvet

Honest question: what is with newbies and soufflesong. There’s a million taobao and indie brands and somehow this is the brand they all get their dresses from.

T b h, I’m a bit bitter about it because every time I send a newbie a lacemarket link they come back with “but look at this soufflesong dress!!”

>>10326133
They have an English site that you don't need a scary shopping service for, what looks like affordable prices and not as obvious to the untrained eye bad quality, on top of offering custom sizing.

>>10326043
Seconding >>10326119
Satin is nice for darker and muted tones. Looks like poo for bright stuff. Grosgrain can be nice as an accent ribbon on a rosette or something but on its own looks pretty bad.

>>10326132
make it two

>>10326120
Thank you, I’m glad it worked out for us both! I got around 4 pairs of socks and a couple of blouses. I forgot there was a headbow I wanted as well but I’ll probably do another order soon when their Spring releases come in.

What was the skirt you bought?

>>10326133
In my experience, it's best to introduce them to lolibrary along with lacemarket and make a wishlist , usually making a wishlist is really fun and low effort. Because the amateur pictures on lacemarket don't do the clothes justice.

>>10326171
That is very smart. I’ll remember that next time

>>10326166
Ooohhh, that’s a good sounding haul! I love the look of some of their blouses, but their sleeves tend to be a smidge too short for me sadly. I got the W Blades skirt in black, in the long length. While my waist is under 70cm, I’d wanted the large size for comfort, as I know how strong the elastic on their skirts can be.

>>10326133
maybe its also that they arent used to buy secondhand?
I think a lot off new Lolita, who never bought secondhand, think its weird to spent much money on something used?

>>10326178
The sleeve lengths are always tricky, I’ve half accepted never getting any long enough! I got that skirt in when it released though, long length as well, but size M. It’s really nice and a perfect length. I was considering getting the grey but didn’t because they only had L left, but now that you mention it the waist range is actually quite similar. I might go for it

>>10326187
Nah, weirdly they were all people who bought quite a lot of second hand, including one person who actually collected vintage pieces. I just want to understand the siren song. I think >>10326146 is correct

>>10326133
>soufflesong
You know, I never actually looked at their stuff til this post and most of it seems too cheap for their price they're charging

>>10326189
I love their long length dresses and skirts, the 63cm skirt length is just so flattering. How’s the thickness of the fabric? Is it a nice winter weight like how it looks in the stock photos? Looking at the Japanese side of the site right now it looks like both sizes are showing as in stock again. I’d thought as well it had been the size L that was sold out previously. Tbh, the grey colour is tempting for me as well, as I love grey. But I’ve bought a lot of things lately, so this should be the last thing I get for the moment.

For blouses, I find Boz’s fit me the best, as well as fitting my style, which is gothic/classic in black.

As a quick question for you, or any other anons, do you know how their organdy panniers are? I’ve always gone offbrand for my petticoats, but seeing as they do a 70cm maxi length, I’m tempted for my EGA dresses and skirts. Do they have tulle as an under layer, or just organdy?

>>10326043
Depends on the dress?

>>10326043
Team cotton

>>10326117
Feels like they got bombarded by mails from lolitas asking to bring those back.

>>10326022
>If you marry someone who actually loves you they'd support your endeavors regardless of whether you're bringing money to the table or not.

This. I work half-time and my husband is proud and happy that I get to spend more time developing household and personal/artistic skills and "self-actualizing". In return I take care of the cooking, cleaning, and laundry so he has more time when he's at home too.

>>10326022
How did you find someone willing to date and fall in love with a freeloader?

>>10326028
Pretty much this. I keep seeing guys with housewives who complain about ‘she keeps using my money’. Like dude, the only reason you can make that much money is because you have someone at home taking care of your personal life. If the husband restricts the funds, the wife has no recourse because technically she didn’t make any money. Doing chores isn’t labour in the eyes of the law, so you’re shit out of luck for finance if anything happens in the relationship.

Gemgem bought the Hospitality Doll that was relisted, baka.

>>10326348
>Doing chores isn’t labour in the eyes of the law, so you’re shit out of luck for finance if anything happens in the relationship.
Are you from U.S.? In my country, house chores are seen as a labour, so if your husband ditch you after you 've been taking care of the house while he was working, he has the obligation of paying a monthly fee to you so you can survive on your own.

>>10326376
In most other countries that depends on the terms of the marriage and divorce

>>10326364
Didn’t she sell hers last year? Weird

>>10326376
The US has alimony laws. And palimony in many places too

>>10325525
am I understanding this right, you're telling me it's a replica? Then the original must be even better, can u shoe me?

>>10326233
Are you replying to the correct post? That has nothing to do with the question

>>10326364
how fucking many does she have at this point?
she's too fucking fat to fit in them why does she keep hoarding them

>>10326348
My husband and I just pool and then split all our money in half. We get the same disposable income and we save the same amount. Seems the fairest.

>>10326376
This >>10326389

Not to mention unless you have a prenup you are eating half the money in most states anyway.

>>10326396
She's going to combine them all into a hybrid monster

Does anyone know if the Toy Fantasy release is Japan only? And if it is a MTO or limited stock?

>>10326204

It is cheap and awful quality.

>>10326395
See >>10326132

>>10326442
Velvet is a texture/weave, as are satin and grosgrain. Cotton is a fiber.

>>10325814

This opinion is trash. Solid masterrace

>>10326443

>>10326132
me three

>>10326446
This isn't a minor nitpick but ok. You can have cotton velvet and cotton grosgrain and cotton sateen. Sorry you're retarded and think cotton is a type of fabric.

>>10326469
>Sorry you're retarded and think cotton is a type of fabric.
nayrt, but they said fiber, not fabric. And they're correct, cotton is a type of fiber. calm down.

>>10326130
I love grosgrain and I wear gothic/classic exclusively lol. What are you talking about, my friend?

>"hmm I wonder what (lolita I like) is up to these days, haven't seen them post"
>last post: 2015
>no new coordinates for 5 years

that shit hurted

>>10326133
I keep wondering this. I took a break from lolita just a bit after they first popped up on the scene and were broadly dragged for having terrible quality (around the time they put out that blurry POS Mucha print).

I come back to lolita a couple years later and suddenly LM is flooded with their stuff.... I don't get it, there are so many nicer taobao brands.

>>10326537
This reminds me... What platform? I and plenty of lolitas I know/followed still wear the fashion but started posting in different places or just stopped posting coords altogether, lately.

Personally I'm trying to get back into the habit of documenting my outfits, not necessarily for posting (maybe, eventually) but because it helps me remember how often I've worn a dress to decide what I should sell or to think of different ways to coordinate pieces I've had a long time.

I think a lot of lolitas stopped posting because many of the girls whose coords I idolize, I never see post anywhere anymore, but I still sometimes see active on sales sites or the like. So I know they must still be wearing it.

>>10326541
The nature of positing changes with insta, too. In the LJ days there weren’t a lot of normies looking at our stuff so there was less of an e-fame element. Now with instagram and even tumblr, lots of normies follow lolitas because muh aesthetic. There’s a lot more pressure for photos to be perfect beyond the coordinates themselves. And even on CoF you have likes pushing coords up and down. I’m not surprised some people stopped posting

>>10326340

>>10325980
date guys with STEM jobs

>>10325995
i'm jealous

>>10326012
i feel like you've never met asians lol. in asian cultures, it's pretty much *expected* that the woman won't work after marriage. i think hispanics might be like that as well? actually i only really see white people pushing the "married women need to work" thing

>>10326028
>>10326348
you can divorce him, get half his money and alimony, and go back to work yourself if that isn't enough money. it's pretty cushy even when it ends.

>>10326469
I thought we were comparing what materials we would rather our bows be made out of.

>>10326562
yeah, but unless you're hot you're used goods

>>10326561
Not true, that might be only for Japanese and Korean. In China most mom works as it’s nearly impossible to survive with only one income, also in their culture a lot of the grandparents take care of the kids.

>>10326583
China is by far the most traditional of those three. Go google "sheng nu" and how Chinese women are shamed for pursuing careers over a family. Japan is the one that has had a major surge of career women, but most men there don't approve of it either.

>>10326578
so? once you've already been married/had kids, why want do it again? just enjoy all the money

>>10326561

Oof, you're settling for this?

Also, I'm asian and my parents always pushed me to do my best so now I have a six figure job and can't be pushed around by anyone so. That being said, they're quite westernized, but most immigrant parents I know want their kids, female or male, to do well. In the end, two salaries is much better than one salary anyways, and even the more traditional ones know a part time or full time mom will be much better off financially than a non working one. They even come in and help with the kids.

>>10326124
Grosgrain looks like jojo bows/cheer accessories, especially in pastel colors. Usually the satin ribbon isn't too shiny and ends up looking cute and luxurious, kind of like the ribbon trim on some dresses.

>>10326133
I think soufflesong also does custom sizing so it comes up on a lot of "how to" type articles that are trying to appeal to a wide (heh) audience. They also cover most of the substyles, so it's easy to get tricked into thinking you've found lolita mecca. A lot of newbies are also afraid of buying on LM because it doesn't have a cart checkout system--which probably appeals to parental credit cards.

>>10326124

Satin can look quite nice as well, grosgrain can be a little 'rough' appearing, but satin can look quite smooth and add elegance to an outfit.

Some of IW's items are satin and it's clear it's high quality, so it's definitely not the same as the cheap stuff you see for gift wrapping.

>>10326593
the engineers in my area (sf) make $100k+. i feel like $66k would be plenty to support a family in a place like bumfuck kansas or whatever tho

i'm talking about asians in asia. asian-americans/canadians/whatever are a whole different thing. they're usually heavily influenced by the dominant white culture.

>>10326561
I think housewives are becoming more popular among all races, though. My husband and I are both white for example.

>>10326604

It depends. I used to make about the same in bumfuck nowhere Nebraska, and my coworker on the same salary had a pretty rough time supporting his nonworking wife and kids. One kid got very sick and had to be hospitalized, and the wife ended up having to work in Arizona and leave the kids with her mom.

>>10326607
I honestly think it's a way better setup. When my husband and I were dual income we were just both tired all the time and the extra money we were making would just go into things like eating out because we were too tired to cook. We're so much happier now that I stay home some of the time.

>>10326619
Oh, I agree! It definitely cuts down on stress for both of us as well and there's something so special about eating a home cooked meal. Although it's probably best to stop derailing the thread now, haha.

Can we talk about Misako Aoki recommending Amazon to those who are starting Lolita but have no budget? You can get better petticoats for that price. Especially since she mentions you need some more for that glorious poofy look. I am also surprised that she doesn’t mention anything about secondhand clothing. Especially in Japan that would be my go to recommendation for beginners. I wonder if she has a negative stance on secondhand clothing.
Most say I really like this video as Misako validates Lolita’s that only wear it during the weekends and mentions that Lolitas who wear the style daily is actually really rare. Some people really think that Japanese Lolita’s wear it daily, bit as far as I know most only wear it on their days off/outside of work because of their jobs.

https://youtu.be/aZPdhzeP4DE

>>10326744
>Some people really think that Japanese Lolita’s wear it daily, bit as far as I know most only wear it on their days off/outside of work because of their jobs.
Most people who have been in this fashion awhile don’t think that, or at least I hope they don’t. Fuck, we obviously know misako isn’t wearing lolita to work. Japanese comms seem pretty similar to western comms as far as when they wear clothes.


When people here shit on conlitas, they mean lolitas that only wear lolita once every few months to a con or meetup, and when they do they treat it like a costume

>>10326588
Idk, I’m friends with a lot of chinese people and >>10326583 seems far more accurate. In fact my one friend is very highly regarded for her career in the community. Are you the same person who keeps posting about googling this specific thing?

>>10326441
Figures, these "budget" Chinese brands are 75% trash

Ribbon Long Underdress (リボンロングアンダードレス)
Price: 23,100 yen (tax incl.)
Colours:
>Ivory
>Cinnamon
>Light grey

Length: 110 cm - 116 cm (the shoulder straps are adjustable)
Bust: 82 cm - 102 cm
Waist: 62 cm - 88 cm

Outer material: 100% cotton
Lining: 100% poloyester

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/201MOP05.html
Note: Bust and waist are shirred
-----------------------------------------------------------
Lacey Long Underdress (レーシーロングアンダードレス)
Price: 24,200 yen (tax incl.)
Colours:
>Black
>Off-white
>Cinnamon

Length: 110 cm - 116 cm (the shoulder straps are adjustable)
Bust: 82 cm - 102 cm
Waist: 62 cm - 88 cm

Outer material: 100% polyester (russell lace), 100% cotton
Lining: 100% polyester

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/201MOP06.html
Note: Bust and waist are shirred
-----------------------------------------------------------
Long Gracie Underskirt (ロングレーシーアンダースカート)
Price: 14,300 yen (tax incl.)
Colours:
>Cinnamon (that's all)

Length: 74 cm
Waist: 58 cm (adjustable)

Outer material: 100% polyester (Russell lace)
Lining: 100% polyester

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/TMSK03.html
Note: The waistband is elasticized.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Sales start Friday, 24th Jan 2020, 18:00 JST

>>10326794
Stupid question, but I’m not a classic anon. Is frowned upon to wear these underdresses like a JSK in the same way it’s frowned upon to wear an underskirt as a skirt?

>>10326796
For these dresses specifically (and most VM under dresses now that I think about ti), it's fine to wear them as a JSK like the models are doing.

>>10326800
Okay, thank you. I really like the cut of the one you linked in particular for a light summer dress

Hopefully its okay to ask for advice here.

Selling a dress with a high value on LM. Potential buyer messages me asking about a payment plan. Send a response with my terms, then look into the buyer's account. The account is just under one month old and has no feedback, located in the US. Send another message asking for feedback from elsewhere.

They respond pretty quickly saying that, while they bought other items and left feedback, they never got any from the sellers, and did not provide any feedback from elsewhere. They also said that, actually, they could make the full payment right away and are okay with sending as a gift. They also BIN'd the listing.

Should I sell to them? Gift payments are relatively safe, but there could be some ways to reverse the payment I think? Paypal might have removed the gift option altogether so they'd have to go through the 'send money' option. It's also a little strange how they could suddenly send the full payment up-front after I asked about feedback.

I asked for a list of sellers they left feedback for so I can reach out, but the buyer has yet to respond.

TLDR - not sure if I should sell high-value dress to buyer with no feedback.

>>10327054
Don't have them send as gift that sounds sketchy as fuck for both of you.

>>10327054
You should be patient I think, maybe she offered to pay the whole amount straight away because she noticed you were worried.

>>10327054
Seems sketchy. Would it be better to refuse the gift transaction and do a business transaction per the lacemarket rules? And photograph everything? There’s always the chance they can claw the money back from you with a false credit card claim

>>10326744
Even though there are a ton of Japanese second hand lolita shops, I think in general buying second hand anything isn’t favored as it is here. Like even houses depreciate in value and bring the value of land down because it’s assumed that of course you’d tear the house down because you wouldn’t want a used house. When I lived there I bought a ton of stuff for in near perfect condition for super cheap (furniture, clothes, etc) that would be much more expensive in the US. Dunno, could be my interpretation was off but I doubt a famous lolita model is going to spout off about buying secondhand, I think it would be considered tacky and gross.

>>10327054
An update - they sent a list of sellers they bought from. Reached out to a couple so I'll see what happens

>>10327054
>>10327054
>>10327054
Thanks for the advice. As I said above they were able to provide a list of sellers and I see feedback from them on a couple of the accounts. The transactions seem legit enough. I'll see if I get any response from those sellers.

>>10326537
Some older lolitas still wear it but have given up on social media. It seems liberating.

>>10327054
PayPal has the option to pay over time with their invoices, which still protects you both. What are you even on about?

>>10326752
I haven't mentioned it before but it's not a rare or unknown thing? It's common knowledge and proven. Just because you know a couple people who are outliers doesn't make something not true.

>>10326752
I haven't mentioned it before but it's not a rare or unknown thing? It's common knowledge and proven. Just because you know a couple people who are outliers doesn't make something not true. Consider doing some research on cultures that aren't your own before speaking about them.

>>10327127
New account, no feedback.

However after some messages with them and seeing some previous transactions they don’t strike me as a scammer. Waiting to see if any previous sellers will vouch for them.

I’d probably give them benefit of the doubt and not bother with past sellers if the item wasn’t so expensive.

>>10326627
Can we make a separate thread? Because I’m highkey interested in this topic.

>>10327157
It's offtopic >>>/out/

>>10324980
someone who hasn't been in the fashion long enough to know that

>>10327134
Not that anon but I’ll bite. Chinese society developed super rapidly in the past 10-20 years, so the idea of leftover women is more of an older generation thinking. Nearly everyone 30 and under, and pretty much the majority of people who had a chance to study abroad (aka wealthy enough to do so) don’t follow the idea of leftover women, and it’s onlt really still a major thing in countryside like central west and southern China. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information from but it’s kind of outdated for the typical modern Chinese family

Source: am Chinese

>>10327168
Do you really think your limited experiences trump the piles of research and social studies from within the last decade? China is a huge ass country and most of it remains very traditional, as proven if you do the least bit of research, barring some increasingly westernized big cities.

>>10327168
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/canada/article-amplify-yes-its-2019-but-some-women-like-me-are-still-facing/

Btw here's a 2019 article about it by an actual Chinese person, unlike your westernized self. Seriously, learn to google.

Why is almost no one talking about this? It's happening right now and apparently AP Shinjuku isn't even picking up phones because they are so busy.

Why did AP limit this to one store? This re-release needed to be nation wide and international. Why does AP notbunderstand how much money it could make off of this and other 2010-era Sweet rereleases?

Yes, I am butthurt.

>>10327180
Do you really think rural China poverty farmers are wearing lolita, if not why even bring it up in the lolita general

>>10327199
maybe no one is talking about it because toy prints look like age play, therefore we avoid them

>>10327202
I'm sorry you associate happy imagery of bunnies blowing bubbles with a kink, anon

>>10327199
Why do you not understand that dresses are made by people and you can't just conjure a group of people who will make well-constructed dresses for one release

>>10327206
...do you not know that ap dresses are made in third world factories, not by a skilled group of artisans or some shit?

>>10327206
I don't understand this comment. There's been unlimited MTOs in the past and AP would just push the date of completion if needed. Plus these rereleases are planned and it's not like AP just decides one morning it needs a factory to produce dresses tomorrow. So, they could have done an unlimited MTO in this case too.

>>10327199
>Why is almost no one talking about this?
I tried to bring it up a while ago, but thread is derailed beyond recover, so I’m just waiting for another general.

>>10327199
as a sweet lolita, I'd say... this is a boring print

>>10327199
No skirt = no buy. It's probably cheap polyester again too, like Honey Cake was.

>>10327223
No skirt for wrapping heart either, glad I have one already! I want the matching bow and socks soooooo bad but I promised myself no new lolita for a few months and I’m sticking to it. I’m dying.

>>10327223
Skirts don’t sell. It’s why less and less are being released.

>>10327214
>There's been unlimited MTOs in the past
That's arguably why some of their dresses were suddenly made in Myanmar and the Philippines and their quality control became more inconsistent.

>>10327223
Shinjuku shop girls verified this will be cotton. Sorry your fatty-chan Honey Cake is trash.

>>10327168
Thanks for the perspective. I really don’t want to speak out of turn about communities I’m not apart of, but anon’s point really didn’t sound like the attitude of the people I know in the american chinese immigrant community. This makes a lot of sense.

>>10327210
Do you not know that this is not how supply chain works, nor does this reflect the typical order quantities of a comms like AP and thus limits what they can do in the factories they work with?

>>10327233
Ugh same anon, I'm trying to only buy dream dresses this year but I really want Toy Fantasy. It's not a DD though so I have to hold myself back

>>10327338
You’ll feel better when you are in your dream dress and you see a million bad toy fantasy coords on CoF

I'm just so fucking tired of seeing Honey Cake coordinated with a red cardigan. It doesn't look bad, don't get me wrong but it seems to be the only way people are wearing it. I'm over it.

>>10327326
The American Chinese community is nothing like the actual Chinese community. I guess y'all just too retarded to google at this point so I will spoonfeed you very recent articles.

2019:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/22/chinese-firms-give-single-female-employees-30-dating-leave/amp/

2018:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-single/201804/china-s-leftover-women-and-shake-and-bake-husbands%3famp

https://centreforfeministforeignpolicy.org/journal/2018/9/25/making-leftover-women-understanding-the-discourses-surrounding-chinas-single-women

>>10327351
Are you seriously arguing with an actual chinese person about chinese culture

>>10327351
Good lord your reading comprehension is terrible. Open those articles and reread them

>>10327355
She's very clearly Chinese-American, not someone living in China but ok. Let's ignore actual research and studies and believe one person's anecdotes.

>>10327356
So proof that current parents and all ages of men still support this idea is not enough for you? Ok, live in ignorance I guess

>>10327357
They also noted that the perspectives are changing in the middle class and that’s whats causing the conflict. Also linking extremely reductive pop-sociology articles meant for a western audience really is not helping your cause

>>10327357
Are you someone living in china?

>>10327360
The perspectives may be changing among young women in urban areas (which is still not "most Chinese women" but not among their families or men of any age. Lmao do you want me to link Chinese articles? There's about a billion of those on this topic too. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

>>10327363
Yes, please link chinese articles.

>>10327361
The research and studies are done by people in China. Go read.

>>10327365
So, no. got it.

Has anyone here been to Parco part? Can you confirm if second release of Doll’s Tea Party has any differences?

>>10327364
https://www.baidu.com/from=844b/s?word=%E5%89%A9%E5%A5%B3&ts=0&t_kt=0&ie=utf-8&fm_kl=021394be2f&rsv_iqid=3316423293&rsv_t=c653oF4XSLl9zV6SEMxcmphth4vp5QUXKTMFjXn9tcSh9rHD3733NYUCFg&sa=ib&ms=1&rsv_pq=3316423293&rsv_sug4=5252&inputT=2297&tj=1

Knock yourself out.

>>10327417
This article is 15 years old lmao

>>10327345
This belongs in a stupid-something thread.

>>10327219
You are either larping as a sweet lolita or you have terrible taste.

>>10327428
Nayrt, but not all sweet lolitas like 2010 pastel vomit sweet. Like you do you, but I’m personally not a fan

>>10327417
Baike is a collaborative platform like Wikipedia. Anyone with an account can edit that article.

The tone in the article is fairly neutral. It describes the leftover women as "mostly having stable incomes, honourable jobs and comfortable and elegant living conditions". The article mentions a survey done by the media in 2015 about what the public thought about these women and the response was mixed. In that report, it was said that the term "sheng nu" was initially negative, but has since slowly become neutral.

Drop it, anon.

r/Lolita has changed their rules because someone made a "gtfo" type comment to a 30 year old male daddy dom with a dollification fetish trying to give "coord advice" a couple days ago, because it's kinkshaming
What in the hell

>>10327451
Was wondering what this was about. I didn’t see this happen, but I figured it was something stupid. This sub is such an uwu lolis should be lovelies hugbox is shocked anyone said anything isn’t he first place

>>10327451
i stay away from reddit anyway, but ffs what a dangerous mindset to have.

>>10327464
Yeah, he’s a creep who intentionally posts on children’s /r/amiugly photos, too. he hasn’t once posted about actually wearing the fashion itself either.

>>10327475
any way I can find this?

>>10327493
omg not the creepy underaged posts, I meant the posts >>10327451
was talking about

writing something about timeline of lolita (im a new lolita saving to get in the scene, chose the topic as an excuse to look at products all day lol) is there something important you think the mainstream looks past or needs to be emphasized about the fashion?

>these are for sale on lace market right now
who the fuck would sell something in this condition

>>10327495
https://www.reddit.com/r/Lolita/comments/eqvnb8/this_is_my_first_coord_gentle_concrit_is/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

>>10327451
Good lord, the mods doubling down is cringe.

>>10327451
There's r/lolitafashion that was started by anons from this board and has heavier moderation, but is dead because everyone still uses r/lolita. If people who use Reddit that are actually into the fashion migrated over to that sub and used it, maybe it wouldn't be so dead. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>10327451
can we mass downvote this?

>>10327558
I wish for everyone to go do that and leave and comment expressing distaste.

>>10327508
Male crossdressers were responsible for popularizing the fashion. It's pretty much like drag minus the comedy aspect.

>>10327451
Reddit is a shitstain anyway but this takes the fucking cake. When will this insanity end? Just because you want to be PC doesn't mean you should let predators into your community ffs.

>>10327570
SJWs are so retarded they're eating their own,it'll come back to bite them.
They let TiMs/AGPs invade lolita,now actual predators and kinksters,... see how it'll serve them in just a few months. It's like black mold infecting the community and they let it be

>>10327572
It's this whole "inclusivity" thing they are taking too far. Like when they let that pedo boat participate at Dutch pride wtf. Common sense is gone when you start including sexual predators, etc. just so you can virtue signal. It's bullshit to call it "kinkshaming". How sick in the head is that dumb ass mod and everyone who enables these people.

>>10327569
shit bait

>>10327586
Dumbass, don't reply to bait

>>10327578
It's fucked. People should stop posting and let that subreddit die.

What do you think about this tiny drama

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lolita/comments/etcscq/new_rule_harassment_based_on_post_history_will_no/

>>10327578
Seriously in what FUCKING world is calling out a creep kinkshaming?

The guy spends his time commenting on teenage girls' looks. How do they not see how inappropriate that is?

>>10327451
Well desu this guy stated several times that he understands that lolita fashion is asexual and he isn't trying to bring his (not ddlg) kinks to community. And i think his comments on amiugly aren't creepy? Like, he's not trying to say something sexual or pedo?

I mean, we need to ban pedos but we shouldn't start hysteria "every kinkster wants to fuck an underage cute dressed girl!!!"

He's dumb for not making an nswf account but it's stupid to believed that all people in the r/lolita must be asexual monks.

>>10327685
What interest do you think a male person with doll-related fetishes and who does not wear lolita has in the fashion?

>>10327685
>his comments aren’t creepy
I’m not a fan of everyone screaming pedo all the time t b h (call it my fandom background), but this dude is telling underage girls they look like adults and are beautiful. I work with kids and that is extremely inappropriate and in no world ever a thing that is okay. It also doesn’t explain why he, a non trans teen, is posting in a sub for trans teens

>>10327428
>or you have terrible taste.

no.

>>10326608
i feel like thats more of the healthcare systems fault than anything else

>>10327695
I really want to know how it's "boring" though? It has bubbles, balloons, bunnies, bears, elephants, and giraffes. It's always struck me as being unique. Plus the "heart" buckle on the jsk/hearts on the ends of the waist ties is a win for me.

>>10327700
Different anon, but its collar design is really cool too. So many intricate details

>>10327508
There are translated timelines from GLB and another magazine

What does everyone think of this new Metamorphose Long Sleeve Sailor Dress? I always like to see sailor pieces that aren’t too Summery

>>10327742
Love it. I’m trying to decide what color to get it in

>>10327695
Now i want a print with only the giraffe :)

>>10327742
I'm normally a huge fan of Metamorphose's sailor releases, but to me this release is really plain.

>>10327508
Rococo has a timeline up to 2004

secrets

Ap usa has honey cake leftovers

>>10326561
>Date guys with STEM jobs

The problem (at least in all-so-equal-paradise northern Europe) is that, even if the guy makes a ton, he doesn't want to maintain a chick at home "doing nothing". Yes, the household chores will be split most likely 50/50 but also no man wants a woman who is not economically independent.

My husband is a lead software developer who makes almost 6 figures per year and I still work full time as a LPN earning like a quarter time less. Damn, I wish I was born 50 years earlier without all this feminist crap.

>>10327345
It screams Ronald McDonald to me. Once seen cannot be unseen

>>10327784
How is it possible, if they were MTO and the policy stated No refunds and NO cancellations?

>>10327742
Cute. I'd get the gray one if I weren't on a no-buy.

>>10327797
You want to have no rights because you're too lazy to go to work like a functional human being?

>>10327797
Not true all over Europe. In the Netherlands most women work part-time or don't work.

>>10327797
>>10327804
Also I forget where I read these but iirc there have been studies that countries with fewer barriers of inequality between men and women actually have greater differences in their work patterns.

Ie: the Netherlands, which is one of the most gender-equal places in the world.

>>10327797
It's more to do with our government than feminism. They have more income from taxes if more people have a job. I'm from a rich eu country and our conservatives are very anti-stay at home mom too and consider them lazy just like any unemployed man. Only the Christian party is supportive of moms lol.

>>10327806
>I'm from a rich eu country and our conservatives are very anti-stay at home mom too and consider them lazy just like any unemployed man.
man that's so fuckin stupid though. Childcare is obviously a real job, otherwise we wouldn't have daycares and nannies.

>>10327804
In the Netherlands they constantly use this argument to shit on women. We actually have a small but "unexplainable" wage gap between men and women who work the same amount of hours, have the same education and years of experience, do the same work, and don't have kids. And women are in charge of the household here so I don't blame them if they want to work less.

>>10327809
>tfw feminism accidentally created a new breed of sexism
very cool

>>10327810
Women in the Netherlands didn't start working because of feminism, it was because of the second world war

>>10327812
yeah that's true come to think of it, dunno why I forgot that bit of history. Either way it's stupid that "everybody working" is seen as societal progress

>>10327742
Almost seems more "military academy" than sailor to me, which, I like that route, almost like a subsection within a subsection. ... lolitaception

>>10327742
It looks a lot like a LIEF release and I love it

>>10327814
Mte, it's like they forgot people also have a family and household to take care of

>>10327797
This is me. My partner is a SE and makes well into 6 six figures a year, before bonuses/stock. I still work a full time job. I make an 4th of what he does. He let's me spend my entire income on whatever I want. But sometimes I just want to quit, have a kid, and stay at home.

They locked the thread because they were getting swamped with criticism and downvotes. The pedo predator roams free.

>>10327827
>many members of the lolita community
so 2 of the permaitas that frequent the sub. got it

>>10327797
The problem is that guys in STEM jobs are liberalized basedboys

>>10327797
Or just be a STEM girl and make your own money.

>>10327826
It depends on what area of STEM someone works in and where. In Europe, and in fields like academia, you’re lucky to make more than 40K -50K a year, and jobs that pay that well are gold dust. Even a head of dept or close to that level person would need their spouse to work too, something I know as fact. Not all STEM jobs are high paying. I work in STEM. Industry as a whole pays higher, but not that much higher.

>>10327827
hes still posting on the subreddit, like, right now. men are fucking shameless

I keep seeing this headbow listed with old carnival listings but I cant find any info on carnival having a headbow before
does anyone know if its from another set?

>>10327451
I can understand why the mods would do this but I don't like it. No one wants to be the mod that goes too far, especially when it's for something as nebulous as having a "suspicious post history". This is what happens when you enforce the rules exactly as they're written with no wiggle room for bad faith actors.

>>10327765
That's why I didn't get it, plus I would rather a dress be oversized and belted than shirred. Shirring tends to make the fabric in the front look weird and wrinkly even when I have 10- 20 cm of room left in the shirring

>>10325793
Reviews say that the material of the replica isn't pure cotton btw, as a heads up if anyone was expecting that. It's a softer and thinner material.

>>10327890
I'm the opposite. Oversized belted dresses look terrible on me (frumpy and baggy) but Meta's shirring always fits like a dream and looks great.

But this might be bc I have a small waist and large tits. Belted dresses make me look about 30lbs larger. I imagine for rectangle girls it's different.

>>10327875
I think was a matching KC released. If you look at the model pics or coord pics from right after the release they all have the same bow.

>>10327801
Ditto!!

>>10327914
i never seen pictures of models wearing it before, but that makes more sense
I hate that its just called Carnival as it gets buried under all the carnival AP prints and its hard to find pictures of it

>>10327875
I wanna say that Hello Lace had the Headbow/sock/accessory info for that and other releases of that time, but when Lolibrary started, it prioritized main pieces and a lot of accessories were lost to time. It most definitely did have a headbow, and beret and the headbow at least was also rereleased when the jsk/op were up on the MTO 3 years ago.
>source, I’m an oldfag who had both the OG and the rerelease. Unfortunately I sold the OG, but have since bought it again, but only the main piece but not the headbow because it’s fucking impossible to find specific old ass accessories.

secrets

>>10327805
Hate to break it to you, but the Netherlands is not that high on the Gender Equality rankings. It is like 38th or something, there are even a bunch of African and South American countries in front of them.

A lot of times women work because they have to. It has become harder to live of just one salary, especially for those who have a middle income. I don’t know for other countries, but for the Netherlands in particular it has become harder for the middle class to get around. Living expenditures are higher, but the wages haven’t rises as much as the prices. As others said women working doesn’t really have to do with Feminism, but more with economic developments. Nevertheless the fact that they can still work after getting married, should of course be credited to feminism.

>>10327818
And then wonder why people are having less and less children...

>>10327942
that so sad that all the info got lost in time, I feel like im constantly lost in time trying to look up really old dresses and accessories in lolibrary
I never heard of a beret?? that sounds so cute but also impossible to find
I sadly missed the rereleased as I was moving at the time and did not have the money for it so I been hunting it for years, at least now that it got rereleased I have more chances of seeing it in the market
Thank you!! and good luck if you are still trying to find the headbow!

was there any difference in the origianl and rerelease btw?

New spoon out 1/30. I'm excited to see quality photos of the new AP collection.

>>10327913
I am pear with a slim torso, shirring creates bulk where there is none versus the unshirred belted oversized OPs like IW makes show off that I have a thin waist

Some new AP releases dropped...wtf is this

Lady's Maid Set

Comes with choker, apron, headdress
Colorways: Pink, Navy, Beige, Black
29,800 yen

>>10327981
Princess Merilot Dress
Colorways: Pink, Ivory, Mint
Princes: 71,800 yen

>>10327983
Twinkle Tonight OP
Colorways: Navy, Ivory, Pink
Price: 35,800 yen

>>10327984
dropped my photo like an idiot....

>>10327981
Dats ugly

>>10327981
I like the dusty pink, but what is that dress?

>>10327981
>>10327983
>>10327985
i fucking hate nu-AP

>>10328075
Princess Merilot is cute, although I think one need to be taller to pull it off. Not a fan of full-length ball gowns.

>>10327942
The beret with applique was for sugary carnival

>>10327981
looks like capitalizing on the success of the milkshake dress

>>10327797
wow you sound really retarded and lazy

>>10327797
Oy vey, but it's for your own good to take out indentured servitude levels of loans and be too busy paying them off to care for children! Don't you want rights? You can make your own income so you don't have to rely on the patriarchy. Cost of living inflating to account for dual income households being the norm and making your extra earnings moot? No no no, you will get independence from this! You need this! We need your money!

>>10327981
The most expensive maid costume ever