/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10324252
I really wanna have sex in my lolita with my partner so I plan on doing that. It's stupid and shameful to think about but I don't plan on reselling any of the clothes I'm fucking in so it's not that big of a deal. I'm not even a kinky person or whatever I just kinda want to do it to do it. Like Lor said, it's MY clothes, my choice hahahaha.

>>10324252
I've been in several comms and often there is one person who I call a "meet killer". They're either maliciously annoying, like someone who complains constantly or a Debbie downer, or they are nice but too autistic to be allowed out unsupervised. If a meet killer RSVPs as going then I usually won't attend the meet or at least sit as far away as possible. It sounds stupid to care so much about one person, but most meets are far af away and I'm not wasting my time to be uncomfortable and irritated.

I know other people do this too, thus the meet killer name. Attendees drop off so hard sometimes those meets end up cancelled.

>>10324252
I'm really sick of a particular lolita I'm forced to interact with because we have mutual friends and are in the same online communities. she's just an incredibly competitive and jealous person and it makes openly sharing our interest in the fashion with each other uncomfortable because she seems bitter when someone puts together a coord she likes, or buys something she likes for example. I had heard negative things about her before I knew her and didn't pay too much attention to it, but now I understand why people don't like her.

Sometimes I snipe dresses I’m only mildly interested in just for the thrill or challenge. It’s a mean thing so I’ve sworn off doing it unless it’s on my wishlist, but man it can be satisfying.

I don't give a fuck about sustainability in the fashion, especially lolita. I wish people who want to act all high and mighty about it would stfu because lolita brands are very small, and they produce high quality that lasts for years. Also we probably have the highest frequency of buying secondhand than any other fashion.

I hate seeing RC threads about this topic. It's not that I don't care about the environments, its just that this is the most asinine way to do it.

I have other bags, but I just keep using the same BerryQ gold one with every coord, even if it doesn't match. It's just such a practical bag.

>>10324391
Those people don't even care about the environment, they're just virtue signalling.

>>10324391
>I don't give a fuck about sustainability in the fashion, especially lolita. I wish people who want to act all high and mighty about it would stfu because lolita brands are very small, and they produce high quality that lasts for years.
You're right when it comes to garments, but lolita shoes and purses are not even close to the same quality or durability. In part because they refuse to use leather, but they don't even use decent pleather...

Not a secret, but I hate the idea that people shouldn’t be allowed to alter their dresses because “it’s a part of lolita history” or some bull. I cling onto a bunch of popular dresses now just because I hate the idea that someone else deservesy dress just because we share a fashion

>>10324404
god i really hate that attitude too. if i buy something, it's MINE, i can fucking burn it if i want to.

>>10324404
I hoard brand just so people don't alter it.

My wardrobe isn't cohesive at all but I don't want to get rid of anything or focus on one style

>>10324409
This this this. I love everything I have and I don't have any main pieces I can't make a coord with but my wardrobe is all over the place and it gives me some anxiety.

>>10324409
Keep doing what you want anon! Live your best life.

I like helping people in the dream dress thread while browsing sales... Except sweet lolitas. I can never be bothered picking through those samey sugary prints then finding out you wanted a different cut.
Hell, shantung anon's DD is easier to identify and its a plain black dress.

I dropped close to $500 on my overpriced DD. It's not popular just rare but fuck I wanted it

>>10324418
If it's any consolation, I've done too anon

I'm the anon that asked has anyone got a really big wardrobe before like 1,000 pieces because I am planning on growing my wardrobe to 1,000 pieces over the next 20 years. I've very slowly gotten around 400 in the 16 years I've been into the fashion. Another 600 is like 2/3 pieces a month. I have a few substyles I am into and just really like the thrill of the chase on older obscure items.

No cull again ever, sold a really rare velvet piece last year that still haunts me. I have a lot of outbuildings on my property, was going to convert one of them into a studio but fuck it, it can be a massive wardrobe. Con-maire can lick my clit. I'm not having any children so I hope to keep it in a good state and pass it on to whomever gets the lolita museum going when I die. Told no one about this cause its morbid and my friends basically think I own a department store worth of lolita anyway.

>>10324423
Have you ever documented them at all?

>>10324423
proof?

>>10324255
just curious, but why

im a pretty kinky person but i would never do that

>>10324391
The idea of sustainability in lolita is laughable but you don't care at all about the environmental or socioeconomic effects of fast fashion? I know caring about things is for nerds, but really?

I own 3 of my dream dress all in the same color and cut because they all showed up on LM at the same time after 3 years of searching and I had no impulse control, it seems wasteful to keep them when someone else could enjoy it but I will never sell any of them

>>10324435
Not them, but sometimes it's just fun to get indulgent in stupid clothes. Sex in lolita is a struggle for all the layers you're in, and everything gets too sweaty, but it's just a lot of fun

>>10324446
NAYRT but it is possible to make concessions in one area and not in another. Anyone who flys anywhere even once a year or has a commute or takes trips by single car probably weighs in heavier on their carbon footprint than someone buying 5-10 polyester dresses a year that keep some of their resale value until they are too worn out to wear. 3rd owner or more dresses are pretty common, I have dresses I bought that I know are old, and I buy most of my few normie clothes (besides undies) in natural fibers and second hand by choice because they are just nicer and last longer. I use omad style eating and make choices lower on the food chain, I compost and recycle. I cook at home and our household uses minimal ‘single use’ anything.

>>10324457
I own multiples of dresses in the same color. Don't worry anon. You're not alone.

>>10324464
>>10324435
roleplaying

>>10324258
Geez. what is the point of meeting new people if this is how it's going to be?
I'm glad this shit doesn't happen in my comm.

>>10324516
This is pretty common in comms where the members aren’t liking to keep the ranks a bit tighter and also if mods don’t do their job and kind of push these cuckoos out. It can kill a comm, not just a meet now and then, if it continues unchecked.

>>10324446
also NAYRT but I can't care about what's going to happen after I'm dead. I'm not having kids and everyone I know that has kids is raising them to be crazy like their parents are.
Have you looked at the world lately? There isn't much worth saving. I still recycle but only because it's mandatory.
But also I don't drive and I know that helps in some way. So people can't even shit on me because I live my life in a way that is helpful but deep down, I can't care for all the assholes that are out there.

>>10324518
What do you mean ranks?
My comm is huge and we have mods and then members. There's no other rankings than that.

What I mean is, we don't have meets getting cancelled because people are flaking out to avoid someone because my comm isn't filled with assholes like the ones who frequent cgl.

>>10324521
Ntayrt but look up the dictionary definition of "ranks", plural.

>>10324446
>>10324391
>>10324468
>>10324519
reminder that the vast majority of environmental damage is cause by a couple hundred companies and they actively try to place the blame on consumers. It doesn't mean to stop trying but it's not something to feel guilty about. Anon brought up the plane example but what of all the private flights that carry sub 15 people but cause nearly as much emissions as regular flights?

I follow fairykeiheaven
I think her wigs are disgusting party city monstrosities and she has the most unfortunate body type (apple)
but I follow her because I find her outfits visually pleasing... but like to imagine them on a skinnier girl instead

>>10324535
same

I don't have any lolita bags or purses and might never get any, even though I wear the fashion every other day with 40 main pieces in my wardrobe.
Lolita bags are just so small and unpractical 99% of the time. I need a sturdy bag that'll fit my laptop and other stuff and is actually decent at redistributing weight so my shoulders won't hurt after an hour of carrying it. That means I mostly use backpacks and I try to get ones that vaguely match my style, but admittedly I feel a bit less of a lolita for it. On the rare occasions I have come across larger Japanese brand backpacks they didn't fit gothic lolita anyway, the same goes for randoseru.

>>10324539
I'm glad I'm not alone, I've been feeling like a bit of a cunt for it for a while but a follow is a follow I suppose

>>10324523
I've googled a few different versions of this now and everything points to the definition I'm already familiar with.
So like I said in my post, there are mods and there are members and there are no other rankings other than that.

I collect Lolita dresses from certain collections just for the sake of collecting. I cannot even fit the dresses, but I really want to have them. I know Japanese Lolita’s collect dresses as well, but my friends think it is unhealthy/dumb that I buy dresses that don’t fit. Of course I buy dresses that I can wear too, but some are just pure for my collection.

>>10324528
I hope that image has some truth to it.

It's so funny that I was just in a thread on /x/ about the same subject.

>>10324540
I have a bunch of lolita bags that I rarely use because they don't hold enough and are just not practical.

I often use backpacks or just other purses I have that somewhat match the style but not enough to include in a photo.

>>10324535
that's not lolita

>>10324539
>>10324544
no, you're still a cunt even if you're not the only one doing it.

>>10324540
>>10324554
Same here, I carry the same briefcase all the time because it's practical and since I mostly wear classic and gothic it doesn't clash too much with my outfits. I just don't include it in pictures.

>>10324547
Nayrt, it’s a military term as in “closing ranks”. Nothing to do with hierarchy.

>>10324555
>that's not lolita
too bad, already confessed eat my ass

>>10324423
You mean main pieces or are you one of those spazzes including blouses, cardigans, and coats in your count?

I post to COF solely to be reposted to /cgl/. Every time I share a coord, i compulsively check the COF thread to see if I'm reposted and if some gulls commented on my coord. I wish we could have WAYWT threads like on /fa/ directly though.

I mostly get positive feedback or useful concrit, so i don't think it's that unhealthy.

>>10324391
>I hate seeing RC threads about this topic
I hate all RC threads now. They’re itas asking the same 3 questions

>>10324651
>i compulsively check the COF thread to see if I'm reposted and if some gulls commented on my coord
Just self post. No need to cry for validation

>>10324418
I did the same, and switched it for the skirt 2 years later because the hight waist cut is the most unflattering on my bodytype. As long as it's not on strain on your budget, it's okay.Look at these people dropping 200+ bucks on sneakers that will fall out of fashion 6 months later...

>>10324255
on the same topic, i don't get the "cumstains" meme. Like, your bf can wear a condom? or coom inside if you're on bc? how retarded do you have to be to stain your dress during sex? especially with all the petti layers. Or maybe a lot of gulls are into scat or piss which wouldn't surprise me at this point

>>10324651
Yeah but waiting to see my coord reposted is a part of the game. Idk it's just a stupid guilty pleasure at this point.

>>10324391
Yeah it's honestly fucking annoying, controlled consumption is actually a myth that green capitalism uses so people will buy /their/ products instead, with a hefty markup of course. Nestlé being eliminated would actually do so much more for the environment than every single person shopping "sustainably". And that's just one company out of many more who fuck up the environment.

>>10324392
BerryQ is honestly the best bag I have in my closet, it's so sturdy and practical!

>>10324651
I feel the same way, but my coords get usually ignored. I want some concrit dammit

>>10324651
Same it's like the only way to get good concrit these days

>>10324396
Yeah most of them are indeed virtue signaling and also attention seeking. Not just about the environment either, any subject that will make them look as PC as possible.

>>10324409
You could focus on creating cohesion per style? Like treating all styles as a separate wardrobe basically. That's how I treat my gothic, classic and otome/casual collection. You really don't have to limit yourself to one substyle or colorscheme btw, do what makes you happy anon.

>>10324554
Cotton Candy Feet bubble heart bag can hold everything and some salt.

>>10324521
To ‘close ranks’ means for like minded members of a group to display solidarity together, in this case to push the meet killers out for the overall good of the group. If you have a good mod though, she will do it by speaking to the person directly about the issue once or twice, then if it remains a problem, remove them. Private groups can do as they like in these matters, which is why public ‘accept everyone’ comms (especially with weak mods) often don’t work out that well and smaller private groups will form instead.

>>10324258
I'm stealing that term. I still go to the meet as long as my friends are there so we can witness the meet dying first hand and laugh at how shitty the meet was after. It's the only reason we go to meets now cause the mods are so shit they keep letting itas and scum in.

>>10324464
OG poster here; that's exactly why lol. No roleplaying involved, just me and my best friend/ lover being dorks.

>>10324255
I hope this is bait.

A couple confessions, since I love ranting.
I really can't bring myself to buy bags or jewelry unless it's on a whim. Despite how much my wardrobe has grown, I'm so limited because I just hate searching through necklaces and bracelets and wristcuffs. Also hate buying shoes, I find it super hard to find a pair I vibe with so I end up staring endlessly. I specifically try to buy super plain versatile pieces so that i don't have to buy many of those items. Does anyone else have items they need, but hate buying?

second, I feel like no one knows how to give concrit. There's nothing that pains me more than seeing people wearing a casual coordinate and the advice is that they should do something more ott like add more bows or something. Seeing people complain that a daily lolita outfit is too plain or boring pains me. Which ties into my next point-

a lot of people don't understand colour balancing and how to flatter themselves and I can see it in the ridiculous concrit i see. I hate how people complain about asspats but then turn around, call someone fat and ugly, and think thats somehow better. both are bad. You have to tell someone what they're doing well and what they are doing wrong, even if you don't really like their coordinate. The final, biggest problem is that too many lolitas confuse personal opinion with legitimate advice. Not liking someones socks doesn't make the socks bad, and liking someones holo sandals doesn't make those holo sandals good. I have guilty pleasures too, but ultimately they are my pleasures and if they don't work well with a coordinate I have to be honest and tell the person. Just because you like a coordinate more doesn't mean it's objectively better.

Thanks for reading my blog.

>>10324404
I never smoke, but when I do it’s in brand. I will take my shit to the grave and I’m a petty bitch so why not

>>10324409
You don’t need to be cohesive anon. I am starting to hate this meme and I *am* someone who has a very cohesive style. Just because it makes me happy that my closet is all the same color doesn’t mean other people have to do it. Keep living your best chaotic life!

>>10324404
The people who say that are usually talking about their own clothing. Eg they sell something they love because they can't bear to alter it.

>>10324776
No, they aren’t. Lolitas bitch all the time about how people are ruining dresses when they alter things that aren’t even for sale

>>10324771
You mean rarely? And desu as someone who hates smoking, I think that's fair if you never sell anything

>>10324779
I meant the colloquial use, like ‘literally’, but yes rarely. Extremely rarely. And yeah, I don’t sell anything. I also alter things and have had a few comments about that. The smoking is a bit of a “fuck you, it’s MINE, you vultures”

>>10324768
>a lot of people don't understand colour balancing and how to flatter themselves
I wish I had a friend who could help me with this. Most people just say I look good and that I should wear whatever I want

>>10324777
That's just a handful of anons. Your opinion is actually more popular.

>>10324786
It’s so hard that I’ve found I had to learn it on my own. There are every good resources in normie fashion, so I learned there. Unfortunately, most lolitas can’t dress themselves out of lolita, so they’ve never learned these things. It’s how you get people obsessively matching colors or only noticing boobloaf but not things like shoulder fit

>>10324788
Anon, I was at a meet last weekend where people were rudely begging to buy clothes off people’s backs. This fashion very much normalizes the idea that other people’s things are just a few weeks and some cash away from being your things

>>10324791
Your comm is crazy and not normal

>>10324789
I have yet to find a gothic brand that fits my shoulders well desu

>>10324793
I’ve been in multiple comms and they were all like this. Maybe you are lucky enough to be around well socialized people, but generally lolitas are not.

I've been lurking in /cgl/ for years even though I don't wear lolita or cosplay. I don't give concrit or pretend that I wear the fashion though. I just love beautiful clothes and well-made cosplay even though I'm too self-loathing and socially retarded to wear any of it myself.

>>10324786
The best thing you can do is take a picture and post it into a lolita group and ask for advice adamantly. Point out what you think is wrong, and ask for help on it. Focus on how you already feel. You know something is off, so try to pinpoint the things you feel are off. Usually you can tell what advice is good or bad depending on how good that person is at lolita, or how much the advice makes sense to you based on what you've already kinda realized. Sometimes you know something but have to hear someone else say it to fully absorb it. I wish I could help you out too. I can understand the mentality people have when they say that, and there's definitely been times where people have asked me for advice and the person was so flawless i had nothing to say. >>10324789 is right. As unique as lolita is, all fashion has shared components. Try to read up on normie fashion resources and see what looks good.

I don't care if people have sex in brand. I don't care if fluids get on it. If they properly wash the clothes it is fine.
I don't have sex with my clothes on much so I don't do it and it doesn't have a taboo vibe or anything for me. I also buy my normie clothes secondhand so this is a possibility. Just wash your clothes.

I'm trying to get back into comm life after several years and damn I really can't get back into it. I'd prefer spending my time with a few friends than doing essentially the same thing I do at work which is to burn fuel socializing and making small talk with a bunch of strangers.

I still use my victoriangirldress child-sized petticoat for every coordinate. It's just the perfect shape, perfect amount of poof to me. I have 5+ other petticoats from various brands and I always take them off and go back to the victoriangirldress one. Maybe this makes me ita? But every other petti is just so ridiculous and costume-y looking when I try it in my coordinates.

>>10324417
Same. There's only a handful of sweet prints that I can actually distinguish on sight, all the other prints run together into generic teddy-berry-kitten-melty-chocolate-dream-teacup clusterfucks.

>>10324904
Some people just like less pouf. If it suits you and you don’t look ‘deflated’ then any petti with the right shape is fine, really.

>>10324923
My confession is related. Outside of just a handful, which I’ve collected, I really don’t like any substyle’s prints all that much overall. I keep hoping I’ll like more as time passes but so far, nope.

Sometimes I want to sell my entire Lolita wardrobe to buy Milkboy

I absolutely hate polyester. I sweat like a pig in it. I'm sure it's not a problem for a lot of people but I get so hot so easily and it feels like I'm wearing a plastic bag. I get angry when I think of brands catering to the east and making everything polyester. I know it's their main audience and I understand they want to profit but I get very frustrated.

Also, I want more classic pieces and OPs with shirring. I'm kind of a fatty. Working on it, but I was never able to fit into brand OPs, even going off my measurements when i was healthy. Boobs too big.

>>10324904
the fact that your waist fits into anything child-sized is concerning

>>10324904

What grinds my gears is when someone obviously has a subtle poof that goes with the coord in an understated way, and it either gets nitpicked or posted to the ita thread for 'no poof.'

>>10324934
Girls US size 16 goes up to 30 inch waist but rage on, I guess?

>>10324802
>tfw i could have written this

>>10324934
>>10324939
yeah it's like an XXXL child-size lol. I'm completely average in waist size and weight

>>10324924
>>10324935
I just dislike taking up so much space/calling even more attention to myself than I already am. I like lolita because it's cute, not because I want to be noticed...

>>10324802
>>10324940
I wear lolita several times a week and I’ve got no problem with people who lurk here long term, ask questions etc. as long as you don’t ever jump into the concrit or pretend to know things about the fashion because of stuff you read on the internet.

>>10324942
As long as I can tell you are wearing any kind of petti, I always go to bat for the low-pouf chans, that’s a style choice and unless the dress just looks heavy and sad, or there’s a problem with the silhouette, there’s nothing wrong with just choosing less volume. It’s a legit look.

>>10324904
Oh I still have mine too! it's not poofy enough for most of my dresses but the shape is great. I wish they were still open

>>10324933
When you are less of a heffalump, you’ll probably sweat less too. That’s often a weight loss bonus. But full shirring looks like ass 99% of the time anyway so maybe a minimizer bra or binder along with weight loss can help you fit into half-shirred things?

>>10324945
>>10324946
I just really like the shape of low poof, and I can wear it higher or lower for different dress lengths. I'm into almost-OTT sweet looks, which usually goes for big poof, but it's just not for me. I wish I could get another one, I bet layering them would be a nice look

>>10325040
I’m a sweet-chan who mostly goes for low poof when on my own. I own 3 low-poof pettis and layer them for meetups. It allows me more control and options, would definitely recommend.

>>10324923
That's just you being inept though. You sound like normies who think it all looks samey because they're not able to distinguish the details.

You're just not detail oriented.

>>10325051
Idk, I wear sweet and I only know by name the prints and styles I care about. Milky planet looks like all the other OTT pastel 2010 nonsense until I think about it

>>10324768
>I hate how people complain about asspats but then turn around, call someone fat and ugly, and think thats somehow better. both are bad.

>You have to tell someone what they're doing well and what they are doing wrong, even if you don't really like their coordinate.

>The final, biggest problem is that too many lolitas confuse personal opinion with legitimate advice. Not liking someones socks doesn't make the socks bad, and liking someones holo sandals doesn't make those holo sandals good.

Holy shit someone on /cgl/ that doesn't have their head up their ass.

Can we please fucking add this to the sticky?
I think this place would benefit so much if we made it a rule that concrit shouldn't include stupid ass comments that are clearly based in opinion.

>>10325054
you can just look at them side by side and see the differences.
Yes, they are similar, but you are clearly missing the details because like I already said, you're just not detail oriented.

>>10325059
I don’t think they literally mean if they showed them two different dresses at a close up the couldn’t tell the difference. Just that when you are scrolling through hundreds of dresses and they aren’t something you care about, they kind of look the same. And they do.

>>10325062
I agree. I'm a sweet lolita and that is how I feel about a lot of classic pieces. They all just look like floral grandmas too me. Cute floral grandmas nonetheless but because I'm not actively searching for classic pieces, their appearances mesh together.

>>10325068
*to

I'm apparently retarded, sorry

>>10324398
>Refuse to use leather.
I would kill for leather brand shoes, holy shit.

>>10325070
Ironic because that’s literally what it takes

>>10325062
>I don’t think they literally mean if they showed them two different dresses at a close up the couldn’t tell the difference.
Then why did they say the following:
> Milky planet looks like all the other OTT pastel 2010 nonsense until I think about it

This isn't remotely true and you know if if you are at all interested in the details of this fashion.

And I already stated that yes, they are similar. But they're not technically the same.

>>10325068
Yes but you clearly know the difference between an IW piece an VM piece. Or at least I would hope so.

>>10325072
Anon, I’m both people you replied to. I’m not an idiot and if I really look at them I know they are different. Now just accept that paste vomit looks same-y like every other style unless you care about it

>>10325074
>I’m not an idiot

Nta but you sure seem like it. My normie friend can tell the difference between Melty cream donut and baked sweets parade after seeing them a year apart and you can’t distinguish prints?

>>10325074
You and I are not the same, anon.

>>10325071
Better than flakes of plastic accumulating in the guts of wild animals.

>>10325078
They are trolling you, can’t you tell? It’s a very old jab to poke sweet lolitas with ‘pastel vom all looks the same twinkle toes’ lines...wise up, damn.

>>10325134
You don’t know that, there are plenty of people who come here that are 100%, honest to god, certified retards.

>>10325135
Yes, and when you argue back so hard we can scarce tell the difference, fren.

>>10325137
One post isn’t “arguing back so hard” but sure.

I'm scared of doing a wardrobe post because I don't want my normie/non lolita friends to find it and judge me for how much I've spent on it. They know I wear lolita, but none of them know the extent of it- only my lolita friends do

>>10324931
do it

I think it's really hypocritical to wear replica bags and shoes while touting how replicas are eeeevil. Brand is more accessible now more than ever but there are still sizing problems for a lot of lolitas and now defunct brands that wouldn't be hurting from replicas. I don't like replicas and think it's a bit tacky but I can somewhat empathise with people who are tempted.
I'm mostly talking about within classic or gothic, though, not actual prints. If it's high quality and not some tacky ass wish dress, I can't really be bothered to care. (I mean as in if someone were to draft and sew something to their size that was a design replica or things like that.)

>>10325148
This but my parents. They're interested to see it but oh boy

>>10325158
Usually when people talk about replicas, they don't mean someone who really likes a Miho Matsuda piece but there's something off (sizing, neckline, fabric, budget) so they go to the fabric store and makes their own to fit them (aka "I made this inspiried by a Miho Matsuda dress"), they talk about giving money to a business who's whole business is literally stealing others work

>>10325111
You think leather shoes don't use plastic and paint lol

If there was a venn diagram of lolitas that talk about kinks at meets and lolitas that hate kinks, it’d be a circle.

Lolitas are also hypocrites that will shit talk alternative lifestyles until they realize a popular lolita participates. Then the ass kissing starts.

>>10325252
Give us an example of when that's happened?

>>10324252
My color palette and style changes based on whatever my current fandom is. Currently I'm into Mo Dao Zu Shi so all my outfits are either black and red or shiro. Before this I was into The Legend of Korea and I wore a lot of blue and white, and green. Before that it was Mass Effect so black and red again. No one can tell because my coords aren't properly "inspired by," it's just color schemes, but it makes me happy.

>>10325320
>the legend of korea
What the fuck, the Legend of KORRA.
This is what I get for being a phoneposter I guess

One more confession: my comm is super anti-weeb. Anti-fujo. The less you know about Japan, the better. Meanwhile I'm considering secretly taking Japanese lessons because I want to be able to read my trashy gay romance comics in the original language. I'm almost 30.

>>10325237
except leather shoes can basically last forever if you take care of them correctly and fake leather lasts maybe a year or two tops before getting thrown away.

Once in about 5-6 months i wear lolita coord, stay at home and take LSD. It makes my trips feel like fairytale.

>>10325325
I took LSD while wearing lolita once (unplanned) and it made no difference except that getting undressed when I wanted to sit in the shower and watch water droplets took an actual millennium. I had some sort of weird adventure with my tights trying to both escape out the window and cling to my body at the same time, ended up getting in the shower with them on because "the water would subdue them so I could take them off peacefully".

Would do again, but I'm a bit pissed I didn't get to have a fairytale experience. Maybe it's because I'm not a sweet lolita?

>>10324255
>fucking in lolita
>lor
get their ass

I like minihats.

i actually like most taobao stuff better than AP, BTSSB, etc. sue me, i don't care about sweet

>>10324376
>mfw i also do this

>>10325340
Yo same

>>10325340
I love minihats

>>10325334
Ayrt, neither am i! I prefer gothic/punk. Its more about high quality fabric and lace that are nice to touch and look at, even in everyday life.

I believe it also really depends on how you set your mind.

>>10325292
Not name dropping but it happened with a popular YTer and multiple IGers as far as I know.

>>10325323
Maybe they did 10 years ago, but if you buy leather shoes from a good brand now they still only last a few years because the soles are not that good anymore

I hate kamikaze girls movie. Main character is an infantile bitch who don't know anything about responsibilities and cares about her "I want"s in the most ugly way. I mean how much of shit inside needed to scam one's own father?

>>10325340
Minihats are cute.

>>10325237
Good ones use rubber and wooden soles and non plastic lacing. Rubber takes approx 50 years to decay to plastic's 1,000+ and is more easily passed if accidentally consumed. Tell me where in a high quality leather boot there is plastic?

I don't mind if lolitas bad and ugly, because I'm also ugly

I don't mind if lolitas look bad and ugly, because I'm also ugly

>>10325322
Can we switch comms? I’m not anti-weeb but I think I’m the only one in my comm who’s not super into Japanese pop culture (found lolita through an interest in historical fashion). I spend a significant portion of many meets awkwardly nodding along to anime references I don’t understand and it’s kind of isolating. When I try to change the subject people always find some way to bring it back to anime sooner or later.

>>10325360
I don’t think Momoko is intended to be likeable, especially in the beginning. She’s a selfish asshole character who becomes slightly less of selfish asshole through the power of friendship yada yada

>>10325360
Not every character in fiction is designed to be likable or good. If that’s what you want in movies, that’s cool. But you shouldn’t assume that’s what the creator is going for.

Even though I'm going to be homeless next week, I'm still buying new clothes on impulse. I'm not that poor but there's a housing crisis in the Netherlands. I'm worried my packages will get lost or stolen by the people that are going to live in my apartment. There's no other address I can verify to PayPal right now. I'm probably buying new clothes because of the stress.

>>10325322
God antis are so fucking annoying. my condolences. I rarely go to meet ups, but at one last year an anti started to go off and another lolita and I shut her down immediately. I don’t even know her name, but the moment we both knew how annoying this bitch needed to stop talking was a moment we’ll share forever.

Go learn japanese and about a different culture. It doesn’t make you a bad person, and you are way better than westerners who show up in Japanese spaces and complain that things aren’t suited to their culture.

>>10325382
*how this annoying bitch

>>10325342
Confession: I actually used to have have one of these for one particular girl in my comm. I know it’s insane and I doubt I’ll ever bother to dig it up again but she’s SO pretentious irl and was SO bad at disguising her posts that I couldn’t help screencapping the cringy shit she posted while she thought she was anonymous. Unfortunately other people called her out a couple of times and she either learned to disguise her posts or stopped posting at all.

>>10325381
Anon pls, PostNL is unreliable enough at the best of times and you’re having shit shipped to an address you won’t even be living at anymore? Please find some other way to deal with the stress for your own sake because this is just going to make it worse if it hasn’t already. Stop visiting sales websites and read a good book or go jogging or whatever until you have a new address.

>>10325383
>>10325382
I love you, anon. Let's be friends.

>>10325360
I don't hate the movie but I've never watched it and I never plan to. I don't give a shit about it. Ichigo is a cutie though

>>10325394
Honestly think that first part might be about me. Don't worry anon, I just got a lot less cringy in general. You're still pretty weird for having that folder though.

>>10325399
Gladly. White gays need to stop telling asian people (especially queer people and women) how to live their lives

>>10325394
I'm not buying anything rare. Anyway I can't bring myself to care about anything besides finding a place to live.

>>10325350
Lovelylor

>>10325341
Taobao is just such a large platform, there's so much more creativity in designs across the board in comparison to AP/BTSSB/etc. who have a market they need to constantly appeal to. It would be nice if brands took more risks

>>10325423
Are we really calling light bdsm a kink these days?

>>10325424
Meta is out here being meta and y’all shit on it all the time. Also taobao is such a broad category that it’s stupid to compare it to two specific japanese brands

>>10325360
> Main character is an infantile bitch who don't know anything about responsibilities and cares about her "I want"s in the most ugly way.

That’s.. literally the point? For her to be a bitchy self entitled teen who thinks she doesn’t need anyone but then come around to realize that she does with Ichigo.

>>10324700
CCF's stuff is ugly though

>>10325252
Venn diagrams are 2 circles anon

>>10325334
>(unplanned)
Were you drugged and are you okay

>>10325458
She was probably randomly offered it when she was in lolita

I don't wear Lolita outside of conventions and rarely then.. but I still browse secondhand sales from Japan religiously and snatch up cheap main pieces from the 2000s era just to collect them whether they even fit me or not.

I don't know why I bother but it's just nice to open my closet and see all these cute outfits next to my tomboy dailywear.

Maybe one day I'll have a massive sale or do a collage or something but for now it's just nice to quietly tuck them away.

>>10325470
This makes me sad in the same way that people collecting unopened figures and storing them makes me sad. Objects are meant to be used and loved.

>>10325470
Put on one of those dresses and buy yourself a coffee. Getting used to wearing lolita casually takes practice, but if you love the fashion that much it will be worth it

>>10325325
(1/2) Story time! Once I was going on a date with this guy to the local botanical gardens, and I decided to wear this really cute country coord, with platformed mary janes. I knew this guy was bringing one of his friends and he was probably bringing his girlfriend, no big deal. They end up being an hour late, again no big deal. Then this guys friend lets me know that we're going to his girlfriends house first to smoke some weed, then we'll head over. We get there and it's in the trashiest trailer park and I'm getting bad vibes but I'm not going to complain because this is a first date and I don't want to be weird. I go inside, and it's even more trashed, and I look over and there's a giant fucking PIG inside. I look to my date and they're all dividing up acid tabs and cutting lines of cocaine. I was not planning on tripping and by this time I was getting anxious because I just wanted to look at pretty flowers, not go on some drug binge. They tell me we don't have time for the gardens but hand me a tab and say we can still go do some "nature-y" stuff. I say okay and take it because I don't know what else to do and I was over an hour away from my house at this point. They're offering me lines as well and this pig is just screaming at me, and at one point charges me. We finally left the house to go do "nature-y" stuff and I come to find out that means rowing boats in the middle of summer. Boats that i realized when I got there were falling apart, had broken oars, and were filling with water. I am seething with anger, I had started tripping and it was hotter than hell, and his friend and this guys gf were just making fun of me and making me feel like a burden because I was mad I had to sit in a sinking boat on acid in my nice clothes when I didn't want to even do any of that. I ended up having to drag this boat to shore, and demand to leave. Afterwards this guy took me to save and busters, where i'm still just not okay and call an uber back home.

>>10325474
(2/2) the whole Uber ride home was a nightmare. This was an hour long ride home, I paid $60 to escape this horrible date while tripping on acid. I had left my parasol in the other car, and was seething about that. This uber driver wouldn't leave me alone. He kept asking me if I was abused, if I was okay, if my home life was okay, and a bunch of other super intrusive questions. He would call me baby girl? And eventually started talking to me about how he's a part of his local bdsm community. Then he started calling me a good girl, asking me if i needed help at all. I'm barely responding to this guy, I'm tripping balls and I want nothing more than to go home and rinse the disgusting pig house funk off of my dress. I finally got home and took care of myself but wow I really let myself get pressured into taking acid in lolita on a date, and this is why you don't trust men, ladies

>>10325474
Did your parents really never teach you to say no

>>10325477
I have poor impulse control and I was incredibly anxious and wanted to fit in.

>>10325474
>I'm not going to complain because this is a first date and I don't want to be weird
it was already weird by that point

>>10325476
you are going to easily get raped someday and whine about it. holy shit, be less of a retard out there

>>10325476
I hope you reported the Uber driver. He seemed very excited about the idea of you being abused

>>10325478
You need help

>>10325480
To be entirely fair, her only mistake was taking the acid. It was a huge mistake, but still

>>10325480
I have grown more of a spine since this incident and am able to tell people to fuck off when I'm uncomfortable now
>>10325481
I did, and I got my money back as well. I actually did cry really hard about the whole situation afterwards because it was so stressful and I didn't want this man to find me again.

>>10325472
Loved for their aesthetic to me is just as good. Especially if they're bring sold dirt cheap due to stains/flaws. I have a gorgeous Lady Ribbon from 2009 that I got for $30 because it had sun fading on the back. Sure, it lives in my closet now but it's better than being tossed out because it wouldn't sell.

>>10325473
I don't normally dress cutesy because I'm very androgynous which is why I just keep them to collect. Even when I cosplay it's male characters and I only ever wear Lolita and cutesy stuff at conventions or when I go on holiday to places. It's sort of like living a double life I guess.

Tbh I wouldn't mind just loaning my wardrobe out to friends/girlfriend in the future if it's a big deal for this stuff to get worn.

>>10325486
It’s not a big deal, it’s more just a sad thing that you only indulge yourself occasionally with a fashion you enjoy. It doesn’t make you any less androgynous when you are out of the fashion to wear it more for yourself

>>10325491
I know. It's just an odd sort of thing for me, mentally. Like I don't treat it like a costume but there's this expectation to be cute as a Lolita in my head so it takes makeup, wigs, accessories, etc before I can wear it.

It's sort of like going to Starbucks in a formal gown, to me. Lolita is special occasion wear just because there's so much involved so I don't wear it except rarely.

>>10325497
Like I said, it takes some practice to get used to wearing it casually. Not just the act of putting it on, but also feeing comfortable and used to being around people outside of a convention hall. You do you, but idk. People never try because they don’t think it’s possible

>>10325476
Girl you missed some flaming bright red flags here.
- He’s bringing a friend, maybe friend’s girlfriend, but you don’t see it as a double date? Nothing wrong with a double date as a first date, but at least call it that if that’s what it is. It’s not a date if you’re with just his friend and him, and if you’re all not already all friends then being alone with two guys you don’t know is another red flag as well.
- He was an hour late!? You should have gone home when he was 15 minutes late!
- Change of location is someone’s house, not a public location like originally agreed on... Do I need to explain why that is creepy as hell?
- It’s a trashy trailer park. Ew.
- Pig inside house? If it’s a normal sized one that’s extremely strange and it’s potentially unsanitary either way.
- They offered you drugs!!! On a first date!? Super weird, super trashy. Learn to say no! Holy shit.
- If the boat was that decrepit why even get in?
- Uber driver probably thought you were into ddlg cuz of the clothes and suspected abuse cuz of the location, or both because both. I hope you reported him, he sounds like a creep.
I hope you learned from this experience because a lot of it could have been avoided if you had started out with some standards and actually said no.

>>10325497
You could try looking at more casual/daily lolita wear for inspiration. My go-to is a cutsew, skirt, bow clip, and light petticoat.

when efamous lolitas use the hashtag livingdoll and animegirl tag on instagram, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. they are some of the most famous people who have a following in this fashion, and when normies see it, they think of it as some costume. not as a fashion.

>>10325480
>be less of a retard
It's hard to imagine for neurotypicals but some people really have mental disorders that affects their impulse control and you can't just decide to be less of a retard

>>10325356
Most leather shoes can be resoled though?

>>10324404
>>10324777
>>10324791
Stop larping alter-chan.

>>10325539
I don’t think you know what “larping” means

>>10325539
Lol, that’s at least two if not three different people. I don’t know where you are going that you are meeting lolitas who don’t act like entitled brats about other people’s clothes but I want to be there

>>10325474
>>10325476
>trashy remote trailer park
>trashed home
>"fuck the flowers, let's just take drugs"
>massive feeling of uncomfort, but still doing it
>rowing a boat with holes in it
>creepy uber driver

Jesus christ, anon. You are lucky that nothing worse happened on that day.

>>10325360
Good, that's the intention. You're supposed to react this way, but of course narcisstic dumbasses completely miss the point and glorify her (before her development) as something to aspire to.

>>10325550
Taking cute or funny things she says is not the same as aspiring to her character. Good on you for having common sense enough to recognize what the movie was trying to do, but you loose points for enjoyment = endorsement stupidity

Sometimes I think about trying to look up comms in my state because it would be nice to meet other people who share the style, but I never do because I have no idea what I would do at a meet. I don't mean in the "oh no I'd be so awkward" way, but more like... I just don't care about the culture? I don't keep up with brands or releases, I don't have Instagram or Facebook so I don't know who anyone is. I literally just buy pieces I think look nice or make pieces because I enjoy sewing. I guess what it boils down to is that I enjoy the clothes and style more passively. Maybe it's just because I haven't been in it too long and that will change with time.

There’s this cunt I know who wears Lolita, but I’ve considered taking one of her non-Lolita coords she sent me the one time we talked and posting it to an ita thread out of hatred for her. I haven’t actually done that only because I want to be a better person than her

>>10325658
what does she do that makes her a cunt and that would deserve being posted here?

>>10324252

I love Tyris Flare. However, all cosplayers are tiny small asian girls... Medieval fighters are not like that.

I just want to see some fitness women in a decent cosplay.

>>10325671
She’s really fake and calls herself “ace-supportive” while at the same time dating someone who told me no one will ever love me because I don’t want to fuck. She didn’t disagree with him, and when I called her out on being fake all she did was say that she’s “demi”(aka a completely normal person), as if that gives her a pass to say anything and still call herself supportive. Not only that, but when I pissed her off one time (unintentionally), she made a big deal over it and even tried to get mutual friends to stop being friends with me. Also bitched about me getting upset before, because obviously she’s the only one allowed to bitch. At least I don’t give a fuck who she’s friends with. I’ve never once told any of my friends to stop being friends with her. One of my friends stopped being friends with her anyway eventually though for unrelated reasons. Lol. Also she’s a really annoying sjw.

Jokes on her though. I’ve been dating someone I love who loves me for a year now, and he doesn’t even give a shit that we don’t fuck. And no one stopped being friends with me

>>10325680
Yikes anon, your anecdotes sure work against you. Seems more like you’re the cunt and not her.

>>10325692
Are you demi or something?

>>10325476
Maybe just don't trust shitty retarded men you hang out with.

>>10325680
So you have someone in your life who is loving and supportive and what you think about instead is posting some dumb chick on the chan because she ‘didn’t support you’...over a year ago and in another relationship? What do you suppose your loved one would think of you if they saw this post of yours? Sounds like you’ve got some big work to do to quit being the one carrying some really troubling vendetta grudges from the past.

>>10325680
She sounds obnoxious but your obsession with her is way worse

>>10325680
>aka a completely normal person
why do people say this, as if hookup culture isn't the norm? people who DON'T do hookups really are a minority

>>10325709
Yeah, he wouldn’t be happy with me at all. Tbh I’ve always had a really bad problem with holding grudges and obsessing over them for ridiculously long periods of time. It’s a horrible habit, and I tend to forget to appreciate all the good things I have because I’m always so busy hating someone. Well, good thing I’m seeing my therapist tomorrow. I gotta get over this shit.

>>10325714
Not all of us are freshmen in college, anon

>>10325718
Don’t let assholes live in your head rent free. Good luck at therapy tomorrow

>>10325721
Thanks. The obsessions are really hard to control, but I have to do something about it

>>10325720
hookup culture is commonplace all throughout the 20s, not just college.

>>10325455
You missed the joke.

I don't like oldschool. I wasn't interested in lolita fashion back then, so those looks hold no nostalgia for me. People that are that stuck in the past only wearing oldschool, only copying coords from GLB, is cringey to me personally.

>>10325753
I like the modern takes on old school I see from brands and street snaps, but I agree on the western “replicate old school exactly” thing

>>10325754
if a brand is taking inspiration from its own past to put a new twist onto oldschool I can respect that. But people going so far as to actually cosplay GLB outfits...why do what's already been done before?

>>10325425
Bdsm is a kink, yes. She's openly spoken about being into rope play and dom/sub.

>>10325753
Oh same. But also I just think oldschool is fucking hideous and there's a good reason why the fashion moved far away from those looks.

>>10325425
you really underestimate how boring most people are in bed

>>10325758
Has anyone actually done that though? Pretty sure this is just a /cgl/ meme. The closest I've seen is a barely similar comparison of Ophelia in a wine velvet OP beside a street snap in a wine velvet OP.
Do you not realize how difficult it would be to track down each individual item from a specific coordinate from the GLBs? If anything split-wig OTT sweet is copy-catting the AP clones. AP is still pumping out full-sets complete with matching print OTKs to make it easy to copy the catologue, and yet, /cgl/ once again is shouting cosplay over any black and white lace dress being too similar to every other black and white lace dress from the 1990's. It reeks of bait.

>>10325470
I feel like this is a roleplay. Everytime these confessions come up, there's always someone who says something like "I own so much lolita but i don't wear it!". it always riles people up. it's such a boring confession.

>>10325775
I mean, I don't like full set-chans either...and that style of OTT is mostly dead, too.

>>10325762
Rope play is barely a kink, anon. There is entire continents between rope play and ddlg/sissies. Dom/sub is extremely generic and can mean a lot of things. I don’t remember her mentioning that tho so I’m not sure what you are referencing. all I’ve ever heard her mention was top/bottom/switch which is just a gay thing anyway

>>10325770
Clearly. >>10

>>10325322

my confession is like

how the fuck are you not at least a little weeby about japan

i get lolita is supposed to be a japanese interpretation of western fashion but, it's like appreciating a painting without actually appreciating the context it's in and it's kind of bizarre.

i feel the non weebs go full on teaboo or western boo anyways and go into historical costuming and leave us alone

>>10325801
Agreed. It seems extremely rude, honestly, to wear a fashion and completely ignore its source. Like I am not a full weeb by any standard, but I’ll do my homework

>>10325801
Having some basic knowledge of the culture and being a weeb are different things imo. Weeb involves anime/manga/dramas, stuff I definitely don't care about.

being tall into Lolita or any sort of Japanese fashion sucks. it takes so much fucking research just to make it work and I'm tired of short people trying to give me advice
>"just wear an underskirt to make angelic pretty dresses seem longer"
this is the most retarded advice, underskirts look like shit in AP because AP comes with a built in petticoat, underskirts also only tend to work with classic or gothic lolita.
I'm taller than most tall lolitas. the fashion only works on people as tall as me if you are underweight. at a healthy BMI I no longer fit dresses.
Asking for help is exausting, short people give me advice that doesn't work out or laugh me out for "not really caring about the fashion enough to research" when I've spent years trying to research what will fit. I've tried changing styles. I've tried wearing men's jfashion (turns out I'm too tall for that too) I'm just going to give up.

Tyler from Scarfing scarves has 69 dresses, I have more than her with 73 but she has all burando and I have like half taobao . I kinda want to just buy like 35 more burando dresses just to surpass her closet which I can easily do this year.

>>10325818
Wear gothic and put under skirts under atelier pierrot dresses. they fit up to plus size lolitas and look great layered over underskirts, if they aren’t already in long sizes

>>10325821

Surpassing someone's closet is usually pretty reachable, especially SS's. Try surpassing Jahr's without looking like a crazy hoarder and now we have a challenge.

>>10325821
Only 69 dresses? That’s not much

>>10325818
this is only true if you're a brandwhore. otherwise just get custom-made dresses with custom length, it's not hard

>>10325821
hopefully yours is more varied than hers though. 99% of her coords look exactly the same

>>10325832
And that's honestly why I'm proud of my wardrobe, I have a little bit of everything and every style while all hers look the same ,all sweet , and she never does OTT looks with any of her shit. Shes just by the book. I think I'll just continue to gather the rest of my dream dresses and not compare myself to basic fame lolitas

>>10325801
>>10325802
jokes on you, i'm a non weeb who found lolita fashion through my experience with historical costuming.

I don't see whats wrong with the term "living doll" and I take it as a compliment when someone refers to me as a doll or doll-like. Old porcelain dolls as well as BJDs are beautiful so why should I take offense in being compared to one?

>>10325853

Honestly it shows

>>10325856
They think of you as objects, not alive, touching you without asking. Also Sex dolls

>>10325886
I don't know, I'm a daily lolita and I've never been touched by a stranger. It's usually older women and younger girls who call me a doll and it's clear they mean it as a compliment the majority of the time. Also, if someone calls you a doll and your immediate thought is "sex doll" instead of the frilly Victorian porcelain dolls that lolita is inspired by, you might have some sort of weird victim complex.

>>10324409
Same. Just keep buying shit till you have 10 internally cohesive capsule wardrobes in wildly different styles.

>>10325821
But why though? You should only buy that many dresses if you want to own that many, not to compete with some random e-celeb who doesn't even know who you are.

>>10324934
Child size xl is generally equivalent to women's xs

>>10325856
"living doll" is what a lot of tabloid/clickbait articles mashed bastardized versions of lolita into, basically controlling the narrative to make lolitas/alternatively dressed "kawaii" people look like freaks who deserve public scorn.

>>10325863

>>10325938
That's exactly what happened when Lolita subculture got the name Lolita

>>10325938
Why do you care so much about how normies perceive you? Don't wear an alternative fashion if your skin is that thin.

>>10325553
>Taking cute or funny things she says is not the same as aspiring to her character.
This is not what I said, even though the 'tehee i'm rotten inside and vain, just like her!!' is annoying.

>>10325775
Full sets are disliked here too. And there is a difference between wearing sets because it's easy and going out of your way to photoshop every second picture of you to look like it's out of a 10+ year old magazine you can't even read, from a time period you didn't even experience yourself because you're too young. It's like zoomers getting nostalgic over 90s shit.

>>10325780
This one probably is, but I immediately had at least 4 people on mind when I read that confession, so "lolitas" with that mindset exist for sure.

>>10326014
What. I'm answering the question on why specifically "living doll" is looked down upon by the community. My explanation is why.

>>10325906
Nayrt most of the people who've said I look like an antique doll have done it as a compliment, while most of the people who've called me a living doll did so while touching me, often grabbing me from behind and demanding pictures. I don't mind the old lady who said I look like a beautiful antique doll, but the old lady who came up from behind my back and put her arm around my waist before asking what kind of living doll I was and laughing at my scared expression was a completely different situation. Drunk men who shout "come here dolly" doesn't consider me an equal to them but rather a plaything

>>10326093
Sorry meant for for >>10325938

>>10326093
>>10326094
I don't know if it's because mobile or because I'm on a train but Jesus Christ its meant for the daily lolita claiming victim complex
>>10325897

>>10325829
Confession: I would hate owning more than 50 lolita dresses. If I wear lolita once or twice a week, it would take 6 months to a year to wear all of them. I buy lolita to wear it, not hoard

>>10326020
>my lack of media literacy is admirable

I've only been been able to wear lolita twice in the past two years since i've started because i've been piling on pounds and i hate myself for it. My lolita wardrobe is now at a stage where i can wear it often, but instead of losing weight i keep putting off for tomorrow and tomorrow. I Need to stop being a fucking lazy bitch and stop feeling sorry for my weight gain and stop being a glutton.

>>10326100
Did you just stop reading in the middle of the sentence? I'm not quoting Momoko.

>>10324252
There is an infamous lolita that stole my boyfriend and keeps harassing me after that, and I am really, really tempted to post her here

>>10326159
The fact that she harassed you sucks, but it’s your boyfriends fault he left you, not hers

>>10326159
If your ex boyfriend would leave you for her, he wasn’t worth keeping anyway. Use your spite for them to power some self improvement, then you’ll find your way to a better boyfriend who will love you for you and won’t leave you for someone else.

>>10326112
You can do it Anon! Start today- download yourself a calorie tracking app and just put in everything you eat to start with. Even the tiniest bite or single sip of a beverage. Once you get the hang of recording what you eat you can start cutting 100-200 calories each week until you’re in a calorie deficit, depending on your weight and diet you may even lose weight before reaching a deficit. Cutting cals can be either replacing things you already eat with lower cal versions, just eating less of what you already eat, or radically changing your diet/lifestyle to reduce breads/pastas and increase vegetables and healthy proteins like poultry, fish, or legumes. Weight loss is a slow and difficult process but the sooner you start the better.

>>10326163
This. So many people cut calories drastically and then give up quickly because it’s not sustainable. All their left with is feeling depressed and having a worse metabolism. If you shave 100-200 calories from your base calories you’ll lose 10-20 lbs a year. If you add some exercise that’s even more. Sure, that’s not the “I lost 100 lbs in 6 months on nutrisystem!” you were promised, but it’s sustainable and possible. And isn’t losing a little every year over a few years way better than what is likely happening to you, which is the opposite?

>>10325856
>>10326093

For more than a decade now I've described my style as doll like to normies who ask. Literally no one has called me a "living doll" and its better than 'lolita' and all its connotations. Admittedly I'm a bit influenced but old dolls but I still wear 100% lolita.

It really seems to bother this one girl in my comm though, who wont stop bitching about lolitas not being living dolls ( which I've never called myself) and keeps listing Lor as her source for this and why I'm "doing it wrong" (I wear mostly old school and sweet/classic she wears ott sweet era stuff)

>>10325831
Nayrt. It’s not that simple. Even the brands that do custom sizes just take the same shape as for a short person and just make the skirt longer. Or they add a couple inches to the bottom if the bodice but the breast darts are still super high up and/or it comes up way too high under the armpits. I’ve gone down that road before and “custom” sizes are not what they’re cracked up to be, especially for the price. Even when I’ve tried a blouse and a skirt, the blouses are usually too short to reach the skirt properly. And I’m not even a super tall gal, just 5’9”
The fashion just cannot accommodate tall people. Every dress looks like a too short babydoll and it gives my lolita look a creepy age play vibe. It’s just so disappointing. I love this fashion so much but it’s not gonna work unless I’m skeleton thin and I don’t think I could manage that even if I wanted to.

>>10326207
5’9” IS considered super tall for lolita. 5’6” is where tall in lolita starts.

>>10326207
Have you worn haenuli? those dresses are made for giraffes

>>10326208
An argument could be made for 5’5 being the start, definitely for older pieces anyway.

>>10326209
>>10326207
Can confirm Haenuli has some long bodiced treasures. Deeply appreciated at 6'0"

>>10326207
>Is 5’9”
Anon, just buy a fucking skirt and spend some time shopping for longer blouses that will fit you. I’m an inch shorter with a long torso and yeah it’s more work but it’s really not that bad. You’re acting like you’re 6’4”

>>10326207
This post reeks of I’m mad that I can’t wear every single dress I want. There is no way you can’t find one, single lolita dress that fits you. You have to learn what brands, cuts and measurements work through effort. It’s a fashion.

>Inb4 you’re short and skinny so you don’t understand
I’m almost the exact same height and I’m above average weight. Try harder.

>>10326159
Spill on lolcow!

>>10325758
Nobody even does that it's a meme cgl made up

>>10326213
I’ve got long legs though so everything still looks super short and like what the original anon said underskirts look really dumb except with a very few dresses. I’m not saying I don’t have a few pieces that fit me, but they’re rare and they’re mostly Taobao or western brands that get dragged here constantly but then people tell me in the same breath to buy those brands. So I’m aware I can find pieces, I was just commiserating that it sucks and the advice given is usually way off. It takes a lot of fun out of the fashion when 98% of it is meant for a body type I can’t have. I don’t expect everything to fit me, I just wish slightly more of it did. Just confessing my feelings gulls, isn’t that what the thread is for?

>>10326031
Being interested in vintage things is really normal anon

>>10326217
Ophelia did a few times before she got called out

>>10326229
old school is trendy, so people will hate on it. it was the same when OTT sweet and OTT classic were popular too

>>10326217
>everything I don't like is a meme
This is getting tiring already. They literally share the specific coord shots they take "inspiration" from in their discord, make the exact same pose and photoshop themselves in the exact same layout for several photos and coords. At some point it just goes over the top because rather then liking the clothes, it seems like they want to skin walk the girls in magazines and other media. If you want an example, Ophelia copied the Trumpet Sleeve Babydoll OP shoot with the bear bag and a comparison is somewhere posted in the archive. Even the best old schooler, itasomething is borderline copying some fruits shots for some of her coords. And before you start speedreading, no, at some point it's more than simply taking inspiration.

>>10326239
I mean, if they admit they're doing it is ok? Or do you have issues with it bc they act like they came up with the outfits?

>>10326229
Strawman

>>10326236
I'm not hating on oldschool lol.

>>10326245
That’s not what strawman means, but glad you’re proud of your high school debate club background

>>10326239
So tired of this stale vendetta

>>10326239
Idk anon, it sounds like you're not even in their discord. If you're so obsessed with Ophelia just ask her out already. Maybe she will teach you how to pose for photos.

>>10324404
just pay to have it altered properly anon

>>10324540
my laptop is in a BTSSB backback/briefcase right now. I bought it secondhand for like 30 dollars. You have no excuse.

>>10326261
Anon also mentioned that they care about weight distribution, and as someone who fucked up their back carrying around a heavy laptop in a liz lisa bag for a few years I agree

>>10326207
I'm the original anon, and I'm 6'1
Trying to make Jfashion work means buying from several different places and im so envious of gulls who can just buy a full outfit from the brand they like

>>10326099
I used to think like this, but I just hit 45 main pieces and i'm still going. I rarely wear a lot of them and it feels like a bit of a waste. I actually started selling a few pieces because of it. I don't understand how someone can own 100+ pieces, simply because it feels like it would be too stressful to take care of all of them and determine what to wear.

Perverts

>>10325829
That is a lot actually, most people wouldn't have space for it.

>>10326300
I had 100 at one point and it was personally unmanageable, mostly because having too many choices made it hard for me to decide what to wear. I just ended up wearing the same 5 jsks all the time.

>>10326308
Yeah, totally understand. Even though i have really lovely pieces, I wear this 1,500jpy putumayo plain black skirt more than anything. Sometimes ill stay up late deciding what i want to wear, and ultimately give up and say "fuck it, putumayo skirt". bizarre to think it's probably my favourite piece simply because of that. My wardrobe keeps getting bigger too because i have little impulse control, and it's so easy to justify purchases with "well, i can just sell it eventually anyways".
I wouldn't say my wardrobes massive but i have a big fear of hoarding because my mom is a hoader and growing up in that environment was really shitty. It sounds like you cleaned out your wardrobe a bit, too. Good for you.

>>10326308
I’m around 40 main pieces and it definitely feels that way. I end up in the same few things. I think I’m going start picking out capsules and forcing myself to get creative for a few weeks at a time

>mfw im a 5'11 lolita and i manage to look fine
>skirt lengths look a lil cheeky but everyone likes it
Just look cute and nobody will ever complain and stop wearing sweet. Sweet's best for people who look like tiny teenagers.

If any tallitas need further help, reply here with some contact info and I can help you. I've been in this cursed fashion for almost seven years now.

>>10326160
>>10326161
You are right, she could not steal him if he didnt want to go, I am not blaming her for that. But if she keeps pushing me I am going to drama explode on her ass

>>10326332
I’d love to sit back and watch

I dont think understand why Alice themed coord are so favoured by many lolitas.
I mean its almost a cosplay! Dressing up like a book/cartoon character. Also most of them look the same and pretty boring.

>>10326332
Is blocking her an option? If her harassment is legit you could probably get an RO, too.

>>10326332
As much as I love juicy drama, please keep in mind this could backfire on you. They'll play the victim, you look like the bad guy or they post shit about you. Be careful my fellow gull.

I wear black blouses with b/w jsk

I pretended to be an annoying efamous lolita selfposting on cgl and it worked.

>>10326338
My husband just mentioned that last night. I was looking at a collection of old illustrations and coming across some Alice ones I said, "This here is already completely on point (for a coord)", and he said: "I thought your fashion wasn't supposed to be a costume".

And now, yeah, I can't argue with him.

>>10326353
Ayrt.

I would really like see an actual INSPIRED coord. There are non-sax alice themed pieces, tons of different headwear, legwear and shoes. Why not get creative?

>>10326159
post her in the ita thread

>>10326252
No vendetta, I'm just stating things how they are.

>>10326256
>no word about the main topic, just pure whiteknighting because I dared to mention a name
Discord has a search function you know, just use it yourself. And that's the first time I mention ophelia and that simply as an example.

I hate how limited and boring oldschoolers are. They are always talking about frumpiness and mismatching but they do it in a very "staged" and matching way.
There are several staples what they believe old school lolita to be, however there are much more than RHS, peeking bloomers and blouse worn over skirt!

>>10326353
That’s a stupid argument. I can look at a character on TV and say “I like that outfit, maybe I’ll put together an outfit like it” and that doesn’t make it a costume. Shit, your husbands point reduces to: if your entire fashion style looks like something any character in the history of fashion has worn, than it’s a costume.

Lolita looks like alice illustrations because alice was a character from the time period our fashion is inspired by. And yeah, there are alice themed things. There are also marie antoinette themed things and that doesn’t mean I’m doing period costume when’s I wear my btssb skirt

>>10326420
Old schoolers don’t actually want to wear old school things, they want to wear a specific type of western neo-old school that’s trendy. You’ll note how they aren’t doing a lot of punk lolita or things that are mismatched in a way that doesn’t fit modern lolita sensibilities

>>10326432
Most of real old school is ita, so they are just little chickens who can't wear what isn't approved by modern lolita community.

>>10326435
*By modern standarts of course

>>10326338
Lolita designers are inspired by it that's why there are a lot of releases related to it

>>10326435
I love real old school and seeing the extremely sanitized version that’s trendy right now makes me sad. I’d also like to see some more true old school classic/country but I guess that’s too boring

>>10326435
A couple of times I’ve had old schoolers rip my throat out for mentioning that base colors pulled from lace colors was an old school thing because “that’s boring and look, here’s 4 cherry picked coords that don’t do that”

>>10326438
They look like magazines promo but not like actual people back then

>>10326439
They don't want to wear fashion, they need asspats. Funny how old school threads are full of "lolita used to be a protest against social norms" shit. Yeah, that's why you do that pretty look instead of "wtf is she wearing"

>>10325474
>>10325476

ffs maybe just don't date, or better yet don't leave the house until you can take some accountability for being an adult? You should've left at the first red flag.

Learning experience I guess, but seriously take care of yourself anon. And report the driver oml.

>>10326432
>>10326435
I've seen plenty of neo-oldschoolers wearing frumpy coords, they just get called ita on here. It seems like a catch 22 to me, wear a frumpy coord and get posted to the ita thread, wear something a bit more traditional, get called a fake oldschooler who doesn't really care about the fashion. Yawn.

>>10325938
True, but I would rather have misinformed articles calling it "living doll fashion" than misinformed articles calling it lolita AND having to include a 1000-word-long foreword about how "it's called lolita but not like THAT lolita, like the Nabokov one, like the one about pedophilia, even though sometimes this fashion can look a little child-like, like a pedophile might be attracted to, but it's not related, we swear!"
Like thanks, if your readers didn't have that thought in their heads to begin with then they definitely do now.

>>10325470
Anon, at the end of the day, enjoy the fashion how you want to. While people itt mean well, they are giving you advice to fix something that isn't necessarily the right answer.

It is ok to enjoy the fashion however you like, even if it is mostly as a wardrobe. I rarely get to wear my dresses because of my job but owning them still makes me happy. You do not have to use something to love it, if it makes you happy however you are enjoying it at is all that matters at the end of the day. So you do you.

>>10326458
They are obsessed looking frumpy. There is more to old school

>>10326458
I’m not even talking about frumpy, I’m talking about not using modern coordinating methods to coordinate old school pieces

I love old school. I love everything about old school. I'm so glad that old school is still alive and older pieces are still seeing so much love. Old school pieces can be simple and still have a unique life to them. Pieces can be black solids and be easily identifiable. I love gobelin because it's so unique. That experimentation is the freedom that I love about lolita. There's no substyle i dislike.
I don't hate new old schoolers, either. They can be edgy or whatever, but it's just the way they enjoy the fashion.I don't care to dictate that. People can find happiness in any way they like.
Besides, complaining about "copycats" in a fashion where prints are sold as full complete sets sounds a bit weird. Let people copy what they are inspired by. It's just how they love the fashion.
It makes me very happy to think about how we all enjoy the fashion in our own unique ways. Thinking about how hard some people work to keep old school and lolita history alive is so special. Even if you hate them, these new oldschoolers have been doing a lot to keep oldschool alive, simply out of adoration. God, I love lolitas. Even you catty, salty, seagulls. I love loving this fashion.

>>10326477
Don’t ever change anon

My confession is that I've never found Misako cute or pretty. Everyone talks about her like she is the epitome of kawaii but I just don't agree. Not saying that older women shouldn't be allowed to wear lolita but she's always looked and sounded like an old woman to me, even when she first started modeling in her teenage years.

>>10326477
This is so pure.

>>10326462
>>10326013
and there's *still* people out there that don't like the name "Lolita" either; just think about how many threads and posts on /cgl/ + discussions in rufflechat, lj, etc. were calling for a different name? Alice-kei, princess style, dolly style

The name "Lolita" gave fire to consider us pedo-bait, and "Living Doll" gave fire to perceiving us braindead idiots

>"i dont care what normies think tee hee"
you forget how cruel others can be when you're not only wearing basically a giant stand out target for IRL + URL harassment but now there's shows and publishings calling you a freak too. When the living doll craze was going on, people were way more bold with making fun of me publicly, recording or taking pictures of me without my consent, threaten me, etc.
I'm glad it's died down...

>>10326207
Anon I am just your height and when I do customsizing I specify how long I want the bodice to be. If you do this they won't just lengthen the skirt. My customsized pieces really look a lot better like this. Tye more info they have/you give them, the better they can make their dresses.
But I most say even brand is fine for me to wear if I just lengthen the straps and such, you just have to find what works for you. It is easier if you are super thin, but I am not and am still managing just fine.

>>10324252
I’ve only been to a handful of cons but I’m fully convinced people who claim conlitas are actual lolitas are either bold faced liars or conlitas themselves, I’ve never been to a con where the conlitas weren’t just exactly what you’d expect the average vendetta chan to be like irl: tacky, fat, and unbelievably mean to people just trying to compliment their coord.

>>10326435
This is a great coordinate, though.

>>10326212
>>10326287
are you men

I've always been very petite but in the last year or two my waist and hips have gone up a few inches and I'm afraid that I'm getting to the age where I'm going to start getting too fat to fit into my favorite brands/dresses. I'm on the cusp of 30. But I also know that I'm extremely lazy and stubborn and I don't know if I can actually convince myself to start working out and eating more properly to try and maintain my weight....

I've started with doing little consistent workouts every night, like doing ab crunches and the like, but I also really don't eat that well and I have doubts that I have the willpower to change my diet in any meaningful way.

>>10326601
>tall women don't exist
...anon

>>10326601
No. I'm from Norway.

>>10326435
This coord wouldn't be allowed on cof

>>10326623
That happened to me around the same time. I'm almost 40 now and it only gets harder to stay the same size. In my 30s I changed my eating habits and started exercising. I tried exercising at home but I didn't get much of a result so I started going to the gym and doing a combo of weight training and cardio. You can do it too, anon, do it for Mana-sama

>>10326477
Go back to discord or at least reply to the anons you're actually talking to instead of hiding behind forced "wholesomeness".

>>10326623
Time to sell your lolita and quit. Better to sell it all and give bundle deals to get much of your money back, or do auction right after most burgerlanders get their tax returns this spring.
80% or more of weight maintainence is diet so if you are gaining and won’t change your diet, you -will- get fat. A few ab crunches or a little evening workout are not going to work.

>>10326710
The only things not allowed on CoF are A) obvious cosplay, B) coordinates so terrible that arguments ensue in the comments section, and C) cherry-picked casual outfits with one or two too many casual items to be lolita. (The mods seem particularly nitpicky about coordinates without blouses but allow regular graphic tees)
When has a frilly lolita OP and combat boots ever been deleted? People wear docs on CoF all the time and get praised for it.

>>10326735
Who hurt u

>>10326623
>I also really don't eat that well

well what's your diet like right now?

Start small. Re-train your taste buds to like fruits and veggies again. Go cold-turkey on sodas and sugary coffees and switch to water, 100% fruit juices if you have cravings. Don't deprave yourself of stuff you like, just don't eat junk food as much. And once you start eating cleaner, the junk foods you used to like might not taste so good anymore.

>>10326866
On a related note I've been cooking with less salt due to pure laziness and I've noticed I don't even feel the need to salt my meals any more. So you really can change what your taste buds perceive.

>>10326735
You don't have to buy into the "mean lolita" stereotype to appear legitimate.

>>10326880
I like using pepper, lemon, cumin, oregano, etc. over salt. Most stuff tastes too salty nowadays.

>>10326623
I've been underweight my whole life. Recently at around 29-ish I started to gain a bunch of weight. Even went overweight for the first time in my life. Never got to the point where I didn't fit in to brand but portion control really helped. I can eat anything I want just not too much of it. Specially if its sugar/carbs/etc. Never went back to my usual weight but I'm still very thin and at a good place right now.

I'm happy that the BT21 x AP collaboration did not happen

>>10325798
Sure, Jan.

>>10326855
GO BACK

>>10326908
There was nothing mean in my post.

>>10325322
Do it man. I started japanese lessons for nearly that exact reason. I'm 25.

>>10326208
>>10326211
I'm 5'6" and don't feel particularly tall in lolita. Things fit me fine. I do have a short torso though.