/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10324146
I’m 5’7” and wear sweet classic for reference

Dresses:
>Metamorphose is fantastic
>Baby is okay
>AP is cute but makes me look like a giantess

Skirts:
>Baby, IW & Meta all look fine
>AP is laughable

Cardigans:
>AP and Ank Rouge have sleeves that hit approximately at my wrists

Blouses:
>Lmao not a single brand blouse I’ve bought has been long enough or had wide enough shoulders. I’ve given up

>>10324146
Requesting any brand shoes that fit size 25cm feet. If there aren’t any to your knowledge, don’t respond. I already know the taobao and indie brand options

>>10324150
I am a US size 10 and I believe 25.5 cm. I fit into Baby size LL.

>>10324153
Bless you. My large, brand whore feet are grateful

>>10324159
I haven't tried other brands yet but that was a amazing moment when I figured this out. Hope it is for you too!

>>10324153
25,5cm here, omg I need to check Babys shoes! I always thought they wont fit anyway

>>10324146
5"10 with longer legs than torso, mostly wear sweet.

Honestly, i find that pretty much all brands are too short on me. Recently I've gotten into the habit of wearing peaking bloomers as they cover up a bit more of my thighs as I'm personally not a fan of underskirts.

Underskirts can help lengthen pieces that might be too short, but you still want to wear the print. Underskirts were hyped a ton back in 2015, but now they seemed to be forgotten. Underskirts can be executed correctly by the length of the skirt and location of pettis.

Pic related. Sorry that I have to post "Funk The Tranny".

>>10324147
Are you sure? Because I'm 5'6, and have mostly no problems with length. I wear IW M blouses and they fit me the best. AP's blouses are sometimes too long on me. Meta is huge.

>>10324150
25 is just a US size 8.5, you're between an L and LL in most brands

>>10324178
I have long arms and big shoulders (I’m a swimmer), so that may be the issue. Baby and AP are comically small on me. I can put IW on my body, but that doesn’t mean it looks good. I actually haven’t tried meta blouses, so maybe that’s the answer.

>tfw meta already had 75% of my brand purchases last year

>>10324179
Nah, I’m a size 9-9.5. The conversion charts aren’t great. You’ll note 25.5 anon said they wear a 10

>>10324172
nice selfpost funk

I'm only 5'5 but have a super long torso compared to my overall height. For sleeves I need a minimum sleeve length of 62cm, preferably longer. I find that Boz blouses fit me better than even Western brand blouses. I usually go for the men's size for that bit of extra length and comfort on the shoulders.

In general though, I've found that IW, when they do long bodice cuts, fit me perfectly. The waists on the normal bodice lengths end up hitting me on my ribcage. I also favour their long length skirts.
Boz also fits me very well.
For worst fit, out of the brands I own, AatP is the worst fit by far.

>>10324146
I'm not tall but I have proportionately long legs (to give you an idea, they're as long as my husband's who has short legs for his height but is 6'0).

Socks are usually my issue. I've found that IW and Meta both have great lengths. Baby and AP tend to be short, often naturally falling (ie without a bunch of yanking) at the middle of my knee or even slightly below when they're intended to be OTKs.

>>10324216
Oh yeah socks are such a struggle! Pretty much all otks are utks on me and brand tights tend to not be long enough, so i stick with normie tights in long lengths

>>10324183
Ok, but I'm a 7-7.5 and wear 23.5-24, and I wear AP/Baby shoes and have worn both M and L. The large, which is 24.5, comfortably fits an 8. Your toes shouldn't touch the top of the toe box.

People stuff themselves into things that don't fit them all the time. Size 10 "fitting" into an LL means nothing. Why else do people complain about lolita being uncomfortable to wear.

>>10324181
That's probably it. I was just wondering why someone only an inch taller than me would have completely different fit issues.

Measure your shoulder width. Sometimes brands have measurements above 36cm. The standard is ~34cm.

IW has narrower shoulders, and AP/Meta have the biggest. Have you tried the large blouses from IW?

>>10324202
IW has long torsos compared to other brands, especially the flat tube to the waist bodices.

>>10324222
Yup it's one of the reasons I like them as a brand. I love their very simple pieces in black, which work well for mature gothic looks. Their bodice cuts work well for me as I'm not very busty. Sadly I find most of their blouses have too short sleeves for my liking.

>>10324181
I have long arms and I find Alice and the Pirates are the only brand with sleeves that reach my hands, though I don’t have any recent releases. Their sizes are overall a bit bigger which might help with shoulders as well. I’m 5’10 for reference and other blouses (IW, Baby) don’t even reach my wrist bone

>>10324153
>27cm feet
>no baby shoes for me

In my next life, I’m feet binding

>>10324183
I am 24.5 cm and wear US 8, AP LL, and Baby in both L and LL

>>10324172

The problem with underskirts is they don't do much if it's the waist that's too high. Could work (to a limit) if you're flat, but girls who aren't would generally do better looking for something low-waisted and then combine it with an underskirt. The underskirt alone isn't a universal solution, which was why people quite hyping them actually.

Additionally you'd want to be careful combining them, the other reason they quit being hyped is because girls wore poofy AP skirts with built-in petticoats over a less poofy underskirt, giving a rocket silhoutte to the skirt.

>>10324150
LLs from baby/aatp are comfiest imo. I have a couple LLs from IW but they are on the snug side. It could be because they are older shoes however.


IW in general has been my favorite for accommodating my height and long torso. I use an underskirt with their short dresses that don't have lace trims to add that bit of length.
Their blouses are pretty good for sleeve length and shoulder width for me, especially compared to other brands. OTKs are also very stretchy and comfortable.

>>10324588
same here! so close yet so far from fitting into any bodyline shoes too

>>10324611
Do you have any underskirt recs?

Im 5’7, I'm quite skinny but I have relative broad shoulders and a long torso and long spaghetti arms. Iusually hear people talking about how MM is not tall people friendy, but it varies from my experience. If you are thin enough to fit their bust and waist measurements, their just waist JSK cuts will be perfect. I usually combine their JSK's with IW underskirts to add 2-3 cm to length. Just refrain from their higher waist cuts or the OP's and you will be fine.


Regarding coats, I usually have the issue that the waist is too large, but the shoulders are too snug and the sleeves too short. I've recently bought this pic related coat and was surprised how perfectly it fits with enough room to spare to move my arms around even if I wear thick layered clothing underneath.

>>10324618
nayrt but I'm 180cm and I thank the stars every day for the underskirt I got from sentaro. They have them in various colours and also some lovely matching blouses.

>>10324289
Thanks!!

>>10324602
The waist problem is one of the reasons why I love skirts. They aren’t perfect, but it does solve 50% of my fit issues

I'm 6ft tall and have done a lot of trial and error.
Meta & innocent world are the easiest to fit in general, especially anything from meta marked as medium length and anything from innocent world in the long or 108 cm length. I usually look for pieces with buttons on the straps so I can move the button, or add a little elastic extender in. More recent non-print pieces from AP have been really good. Baby and AaTP rarely have adjustable straps and their bodice and skirt style/length are much more variable so they can be hit or miss.
Innocent world underskirts are great with innocent world dresses but they're mostly the wrong shape for anything else (they don't have room for poof near the waistline). Victorian Maiden bustle underskirts work great with AP dresses in terms of shape, and they're not as long so they don't create as awkward of appearance. On AP dresses with half-shirring (no zipper) its possible to put the underskirt in between the dress and the lining + built in petti, other wise sometimes I remove the tulle.

Sock tier ranking list for length and quality

God tier
>Innocent world
>Emily temple cute

Meh tier
>Metamorphose

Short stumpy legs only tier
>Baby/AATP
>Moi meme moitie
>Miho Matsuda

Remains to be tested
>AP
>JetJ
>VM
>A variety of taobao brands

Please weigh in if you have experience with any of these.

>>10324823
I disagree with your rankings- I'm 5'9 and mostly leg and AATP can be hit or miss. The diamond OTKs are nice and long but lace tops not so much. Moi-Meme-Moitie has fantastic long OTKs, seriously the best for me except for that ONE new release they did. They even made a statement saying the corrected how short they were so I'd put MmM in god tier. JetJ is meh tier. Good if your legs are very thin but if not then more to the stumpy side.

>>10324823
Jane Marple OTKs are also god tier. I only own a pair of VM tights and they are neither very strechty nor long, so not tall friendly at all.

>>10324823
170 cm here and I agree with where you've placed IW, Meta, and Baby/Meta. Abilletage is meh tier because their socks can stretch but then the print isn't as vibrant. AP is hit or miss depending on the release--safer for average or shorter lolitas.

>>10324823
AP length varies a lot. Their older socks are thicker material and shorter/less stretchy. Newer socks are much thinner, stretchier, and longer. Then there are the printed tights material socks, which I fucking hate, but they are pretty stretchy

>>10324222
For reference I am the size 10 anon who said the shoes fit. I own the BTSSB Antique Ribbon shoes and another pair of their tea parties in an LL. Both fit without my toes touching the front/tops of the shoes. I have not tried their boots or other shoes so it may be the shape of tea parties being more forgiving. It could be a fluke of those shoes.

>>10324198
funk wouldn't dare post without logging in.

I'm thinking of getting the Sleepy Sheep cardigan because the measurements are high, but I'm not sure if the cut will be all wrong. Is it an ouji shape that wouldn't work with lolita? Or if I fill it out it'll look fine?

>>10325211

For your average short lolita I would say so -- the cardi comes down to the hips so it'll squish the skirt. It really looks like a normie cardigan, so all the problems of wearing a normie cardi with lolita probably apply here.

For a tall girl/someone with long torso, it depends on how tall/long you are, whether the end of the cardi still hits you at your hips or it hits you at your waist. I'm gonna say it's an iffy gamble, though. Seems like it'd be a double headache dealing with dresses with short bodices while also trying to match them with a cardigan with longer bodice.

>>10324823
Completely agree with MMM, I'm only 166cm but their OTK barely go above my knee. From my experience IW and JetJ OTK are about the same length wise but as >>10324856 said JetJ is less forgiving regarding leg width.

>>10325226
l'm a bit on the taller side, so it should end around my waist; and I wear mostly skirts because of that, so the bodice thing isn't an issue.

>>10324172
whoa that's a scary face... softer makeup would soften that look right up. Yikes

>>10324823
I've got long legs and small/average sized calves.

Innocent world fits and goes over my knees 100% of the time.
I only have 3 pair of ETC and 2/3 of them fit well up on to my thigh.
Meta fits 100% of the time but they tend to slip down while walking.
Baby/AaTP mostly sit right at the knee on me with a few exceptions that are longer.
AP either sit awkwardly right at the knee or are super stretchy and comfy, about 75/25. Not about how old or recent the design either, marionette girl otk are super long on me and princess dot won't go past the knee.

Hi! I'm 5'6" and love old school.
Some of the pieces i like are quite short on me and underskirt isn't really an option. Any advice?

I know i can always go with peeking bloomers or just not give a f., but i would like more options.

>>10326346
buy nu-old school pieces from brands like maxicimam or meta and coord them in an old school way. you can’t make something fit you that doesn’t

Anyone tried these Meta cardigans? They say the bust goes up to 98 cm which seems pretty spacy for a brand cardigan.

I am 5’10 and plus-sized. Most brands still work for me, but I do prefer the more sturdy bodices from Baby and Meta. Lengthening the straps often does the trick and if it doesn’t there is always underskirts. I have been able to fit most brand tights as well, I own mostly AP tights. I prefer them over OTKs, as OTKs tend to roll down to the point they become UTKs and pulling them up in public every time is a bit...
Also Enchantlic Enchantilly their corset belt has been a life saver for lowering the waist of dresses and making skirts look more pretty. I only wish more classic and sweet brands would release items like this, as the one I have now is more for gothic.

>>10326346
I’m 5’8. And I have costumed made underskirts (it has to be cotton otherwise it won’t work with older dresses), works for me great so far.

>>10326565
Do you have any examples of cotton underskirts? I haven't seen them before.

>>10324618
Naryt, I like Lady Sloth for a good basic option in many colors. She also customizes them so you can get different lengths.

>>10324172
straight but unironically cute. Nice legs :) m8

>>10326568
Don’t do lady sloth, I ordered an underskirt from them, not only it was chiffon, but it was also meh quality compared to other $55 underskirt I could find on taobao.
Here’s an example of me wearing cotton underskirt (white), I had it made with a tailor, I brought lace for them to use.

>>10324591
Bless you, I've been looking for months about this size details.

>>10326558
>I own mostly AP tights. I prefer them over OTKs, as OTKs tend to roll down to the point they become UTKs and pulling them up in public every time is a bit..

Have you tried using sock glue anon? All socks will roll down if not glued up, no matter if they fit or not. Would recommend this one, its the bomb and leaves no trace on your socks or other clothing after washing. As long as you don't pick at your socks during the day this will make them stay flat and pretty.
https://www.sockdreams.com/it-stays-roll-on-body-adhesive.html

>>10326346
Knee high boots and tights were a thing in old school which you hardly see used now, it could make things look better proportioned. I'm specifically thinking of metas telephone print ad but I can't get the pic to upload.

>>10327731
>Knee high boots and tights were a thing in old school which you hardly see used now
What? Lolita specific boots and tights are used all the time in winter. Am I missing something?

>>10327717
I haven’t tried glue yet as I never saw it for sale in the stores here. I did try gathers, which really helped, but I am too afraid someone might see them. But thank you for the tip, I will try it!

Atelier Pierrot is amazing if you have a long torso

>>10324202
5"11 and aatp has the best fit if you get their low waist dresses. I think it's about what you buy.

>>10328124
I've tried various cuts from AatP over the years, and they remain the worst fit for me, especially on blouses. It's not just bodice length I have issues with with their designs.

Yes please!
Threads about tall Lolitas are underrated.
They need more love.

>>10326558
I'm hesitating to buy an Enchantlic Enchantilly corset because i wasn't sure if they were comfy and had the right shape on larger measurements. I guess I'll get one when I'll have money to spare, thanks for your input!

>>10326610
Oh, this is beautiful... How did you explain to the tailor what you wanted?

People in other threads are blaming us for e.g. Moitie releasing long dresses nowadays but I never even asked for that, I just want to fit normal dresses without looking like a creepy hag

>>10324823
I know someone who is extremely tall and leggy and wears the MMM ribbon OTKs and the new plain OTKs with no problems. Idk if your info is just outdated or what

>>10324712
>add a little elastic extender in.

I've done this and it does wonders for the silhouette, but I have just tied an elastic string to a hole, and made a little hoop for the button, so it doesn't look nice without a cardigan/bolero over it. Does anyone have any tips on where to get, or how to construct, a nicer looking one?

>>10331117
Just a heads up, but the boning on the EE corset is fairly weak and I wouldn't recommend it if you truly have "larger measurements". Abilletage has corsets that are more supportive and there are also western brands that make steel boned ones as well.

>>10331891
seconding this

>AP shoes in size LL: 25.5 cm
>Baby shoes in size LL: 25 cm
>my feet: 26cm
What do I do, gulls? I want to feel cute and comfy.

>>10332439
Buy Bodyline shoes. Honestly I own a pair of ap Teaparties and aside the fact that they use a slightly better pleather than BL, they're totes not worth the f price

>>10332439
>>10332446 this used to be true, they're new sizing is 25.5 max. I also have 26cm feet and ordered two pairs that I had to sell. I'd suggest taobao or Ali, there are sellers on both with decent quality tea parties and other popular shoes. Antaina does custom sizing also.

>>10332446
>>10332459
I just checked and a few (some of their flats) go up to 26 cm but I'm worried that this isn't their true size. I feel like cheap shoes often run smaller or at least feel that they because they're badly made and uncomfortable. I'd prefer being be able to buy 26.5 cm ones and wear thicker socks if necessary...

>>10332439
Same. Suffer and buy random fine but not amazing shoes from normie stores. Do antaina. Cry.

>>10324147
God I wish I knew this years ago
>be me in 2015
>clueless baby lolita
>buy ap blouse, skirt
>”I fit fine in my old school btssb jsk, so this should be just fine!”
>tfw blouse cuffs end halfway up my arms
>tfw skirt barely ends at my fingertips

>>10331891
>>10332163
It doesn't look perfect but what I like to do is find an elastic that approximately matches to the width and color of the strap on the dress. Then I use pieces about 2" long and sew a buttonhole in one end and sew a button to the other end. If it blends in with the strap it's not really obvious. I've seen people make them with fabric too, but the elastic just adds an extra level of comfort.

>>10333203
thanks!

>>10332487
I'm telling you I bought them, they showed up and they were not 26cm, but go ahead and waste your time and money I guess?

>>10332971
no, just go on taobao like a big girl and get nice replicas

>>10327737
I meant knee high boots were common in the old school era but I don't see many neo old school coords using them.

>>10333276
>Nice replicas
Lmao okay

I come to the conclusion that dolling up normie shoes with a ribbon looks better than most lolita style shoes on my big feet anyway. Also saves space as I can just take the bow off for office work or formal occasions. Did BL and Antaina back in the days but they just looked frumpy with questionable quality - half of them didn't fit even if they had my exact measurements. Something muted doesn't scream LOOK AT MY SIZE 11 FEET like BTSSB/AP bow monsters do.

I'm really jealous of the dream V designs though.I have VW RHS as a statement pair. Irregular Choice has a few tasteful designs now and then, too.

>>10333788
>dolling up normie shoes with a ribbon looks better than most lolita style shoes on my big feet
i can guarantee this is fucking not true.

>>10333815
Assuming you have taste it works great. You can't just take any shoe and slap on any bow, obviously. I spend effort in finding the right round toe shape, block heel shape and make sure to have a criss-cross or Mary Jane strap. The ribbons are very minimal. But if you prefer bulky clown toes go off.

>>10333788
>>10333817
Pics?

>>10333788
Pics?

>>10333833
>>10333917

>>10333948
I love these, anon!

>>10333948
Are the pink pumps plain pumps and then you wrapped the ribbons around your feet?
I love that.

>>10333963
Pretty much. I have them attached to the shoe though, or they would get wonky. I figured the fastening concept from the Vivienne Westwood/Melissa RHS would work for plain pumps too.

>>10333979
For the loop did you just use thread or elastic. I would love to try this on a pair of pumps I have.

>>10333987
Elastic. I was lucky, the hoop was already there upon purchase to keep the pair together with a rope (so the right and left shoe wouldn't get separated) VWs have this solution instead. Might be doable with some glue and a trim of the same ribbon you intend to use for your ankles.

>>10333948
I low key thought you were trolling, but this looks pretty cute. Thank you for sharing this.

>>10333998
nayrt, i like this idea but if you glue the loop instead of stitching one in make sure you use a glue that will hold up to heat and humidity. Regular hot glue won't work for this.

>>10333948
this looks good, i was expecting some hotglue mess ala violette le beaux.

>>10333948
Jesus Christ anon that's brilliant

>>10333788
Is Antaina shoe brand really that bad?

So, I combined all posts so far and these are the results. IW and Meta seem to be the winners.

Blouses:
>Meta, followed by IW, AP, AatP, BoZ (men‘s size)

Cardigans:
>AP, Ank Rouge

Dresses:
>Meta, IW (long torso), Baby is okay

Shoes:
>DIY

Skirts:
>Baby, IW, Meta

Socks:
>IW, Meta, followed by ETC

Tights:
>AP

Underskirts:
>IW (only great with IW dresses), VM bustle underskirts (great with AP dresses)

And what pettis do you usually wear?


I really wanted to get MMM OTKs but I guess this is a bad idea. I’m 5’10 but am not one of those girls with super long and skinny legs, although I don’t even work out much I’m „blessed“ with incredibly huge and muscular calves, so that really is a big issue. Does anybody know anything that looks similar to MMM (black or white with lace at the top) and might fit me?

>>10334587
I feel like they're better for photos than actual wear. Their RHS run ridiculously big. I've also had straps/bows coming off and heels bent in the wrong angle, and I'm not particularly heavy. Had a pair of sandals from them that I absolutely loved, but they fell apart after maybe 5 outings.

>>10333948
These look really lovely but I think better for classic than sweet

>>10334853
Shoe ribbon anon here. You're probably right - I tend to wear solid pieces in a classic/sweet way, not really full on sweet. So I can't vouch for how they'd look with a cutesy print and OTT accessories. If I wear something more traditionally sweet with dressed up normie shoes I'll keep you posted. I feel like it's hard to get shoes that transcends the sweet/classic/gothic border in general.

>>10334593
Keep an eye on meta basics. They do a lot of lace topped otks

Tall friends, there's a really nice BTSSB underskirt up on Closet Child right now for 4,400 jpy

Somebody is selling this, I looked it up and wunderwelt once listed the same one as being 113 cm long. Has anybody experience with dresses like this, how long would it be on somebody who's tall? I find mid calf length to be so unflattering

>>10342476
I have a couple dresses about that length as a shorty and would caution you that the bodice is meant for average height girls even though the length is long. You should look for long plus drop waist, IW might have something

>>10334593
The new Moitie OTKs would fit you fine. They fixed the sizing issues with the ones you have pictured here. The new ones are very forgiving.

>>10342483
It has a weird cut, even on a presumably short asian girl.

>>10342487
I heard mixed reviews about them.

Has anybody ever tried sewing socks to tights in order to keep them up?

>>10342524
I love this girl's coords.

>>10333998
Do the ribbons actually stay up though? I'd rather not have a bunch of sock glue residue on them and my tights

>>10342630
Nayrt but I have similar ribbon shoes which stay in place fine because the ribbon is held up by the bony "bump" each side of the ankle and then is just wrapped back around to tie in front. Obviously if you walk around a lot the ribbons will move and not look so perfectly arranged/even, but they don't really slide down.

>>10337457
Bought it, thank you anon god bless you

>>10342524
She’s not all that short. She’s about 5’8-5’9

>>10324150
I have 25cm feet as well and I own baby, meta and ap. I tend to go with brand size listing as sometimes the L can fit if you’re not wide footed but LL will fit fine. Just note LL tends to sell out fast as it is popular size in the west.

Did anyone get this? The cut looks weird but it’s a nice length

>>10356219
holy shit this is ugly af

>>10356219
Throw this shit in the fire. Who even buys this?

>>10356219

Nothing is nice about this.

>>10324153
how wide do baby's shoes run? for narrower shoes i usually wear a 10, while for wider shoes i can wear an 8.

>>10356536
I have these shoes in an LL. The widest part of the foot pad is about 3 1/4 in.
Hope that helps.

>>10356562
Dropped my picture.

>>10356219
what the fuck

>>10356219
burn this pls kthx

I've started sewing ruffles and or lace at the bottom of my dresses for more coverage

>>10325250 here, I just wanted to say that the latest Rose Cross Lace OTK from MMM are much, much longer than the St. Peter's Cross Lace OTK I bought last year and they're also way more forgiving regarding leg width. They're as long and stretchy as my OTK from IW so I definitely recommend them for taller lolitas.

>>10362257
how does that work? where are you sewing to hide the seam?

Halterneck your detachable straps, people. I can't stress this enough.

>>10362332
Absolutely not, you heathen. If a dress is that short on me I’ll replace the straps at a seamstress or buy a different dress

>>10362257
Any good lace sources? I need to add an extra couple cm to a dress Andy I've considered this

>>10362307
Different anon who has done the same thing.

I sew it to the lining.

>>10362393
laces.taobao.com

>>10362392

They also make buttonable strap extenders; you can buy ones that match your dress and dress them up to look cute or just make your own. Halters and racerbacks can also be damaging for your shoulder muscles sometimes, especially if you have large/heavy breasts which many tall women do.

I love the toned down Japanese fashion looks. Im pretty tall and a most Japanese clothing frankly won't fit. So I've been buying dresses from bonne chance, altering those if necessary (mainly lengthening straps, but I cant get anything that doesnt have shirring due to my ribcage being huge), and wearing specially made shirts for tall women underneath.
For what I like, im surprised I cant find it in my size since its pretty basic, (I like things like this >>10361182 ) but Im 6'2".
Maybe I'm just handling this in a stupid way, so if anyone knows where to get clothes like this to accommodate giants let me know where I can look.

>>10363368
are you male

>>10364029
nope, cis female with tall family. clothes stopped fitting at age 15. It feels like shit and I just wanna feel cute again

>>10337457
Diff anon but I have the same underskirt in a different color. It looks disconnected and weird when I wear it with a jsk and I think it's bc it's thin. How do you make it look more cohesive?

>>10363368
That skirt outfit you linked to isn’t lolita...

>>10364136
I was referencing the thread, as I like most things in it., and this thread says "lolita and jfashion" in the OP. Not just "lolita"