/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Do you think we could petition a print similar to Iron Gate? I would think if bootleg replica fabric has been made, they can reprint the dress to some extent.

>>10314340
I'd happily jump on the bandwagon for some high waisted jsk with gate print. Although have people done a petition like this before? Does Moitie react at those in any way?

>>10314340
They already did Royal Gate as a response to people begging for an Iron Gate-like print, but that one got a lot of hate
>because it was flocked more than the print itself though

>>10314345
They're dumb, I love Royal Gate. Does anyone know what would the best way to do a petition? I think at this point it wouldn't hurt to try.

>>10314347
I guess making an actual list with people's names and email may have more impact than using a website for petitions.

But i'm not 100% sure

>>10314347
Apparently the flock shed like crazy or something? Idk I've heard people say that's when Moitie's quality started to go downhill

>>10314351
I have it and it doesn’t shed, unless you don’t know how to deal with flocking. The blue is a weird bright colour they should have made it darker.

>>10314347
Petition for Royal Gate rerelease in a print instead of flock, that's much more likely to get made. I would buy it in a heartbeat, I love Royal Gate

>>10314355
Good idea anon.

>>10314355
I wish they'd scan and re-master Iron Gate. I don't care if it's gonna have some differences. They could just pick some other name or call it Neo Iron Gate.

>>10314340
maybe some kind of MTO? They seem open to that idea now and they won't lose money that way.

>>10314361
I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually think I'd rather see Royal Gate get a printed rerelease

>>10314376
It's a matter of taste I guess. If you're an IG owner, do not worry about the market value. It might be different, so original piece may keep a chunk of the price like it was with HC.

>>10314379
My concern is that the previous time a brand attempted a scan and remaster, the rerelease was significantly worse. With Moitie's recent decline in quality, that really worries me... Whereas they probably still have the files for Royal Gate and so could do a printed version very easily. But we could always ask for both like "please Iron Gate but if not then printed Royal Gate"

>>10314345
Really? I seem to recall it being extremely popular at release, I never heard anything about it shedding.

I love RG and still thirst for it in black x black but I'm not devoted enough for what it still goes for. I'd love a rerelease though, flocked or print.

>>10314385
I know this is the moitie thread but jesus h christ, these look so weird next to each other. Is the old one in the pic aged or was the rerelease just that much brighter?
>brighter but cheaper looking

>>10314463
Yes, it is like on the picture. The original was more of a dark olive green with a dark golden print and an elegant long bodice. The new one is emerald green with a light golden (almost yellow print) and the waist sits quite high. I was so disappointed with the rerelease, I sold mine as soon as I got it.

>>10314463
>>10314465
Actually I thought that the girl by the right is wearing original release, like they didn’t manage to pick a velvet of cold tone.

Honestly, fuck post-revival Moitie. All of their accessories have been shit quality but still priced high as ever, and why in the world are they not releasing all those rare, sought after solids they made? Don't even need a damn print, just remake Shirring Ribbon. I guess they probably can't live up to the old quality anymore even if they want to. This Moitie is dead to me, I'll keep searching for old pieces on secondhand sites.

>>10314689
Maybe it doesn’t work well from business perspective or they have no capacity to recreate those. Although sometimes I wonder if Moitie benefits from keeping IG as sorta rare and irreplaceable lolita meme. Maybe they wanted it to be some sort of “one of a kind” piece.

>>10314689
>>10314701

I kind of wonder if some of the solid pieces they made earlier didn't sell well? Could've sworn I saw some of them on sale at wunderwelt fleur earlier this year (something small like 10% off, but still).

Though, I have a feeling the reprints are probably more profitable since it's an old design where they don't need to pay an illustrator for. When it was first released the price tag probably took into account the illustration fee, so now that "fee" is simply profit, or makes up for inflation eating at their profits, whichever way you'd like to look at it.

>>10314715
The stuff on sale for winter were the stuff from 2018. The solid would have been the Juliet op, which sucked with its no shirring design choice.

Anyways chances are that since they got into doing prints like neo gothic arch and silent moon we are more likely to get rereleases of stuff using the same techniques.

>>10314340
I wonder if people have ever mailed them before? Is there a way to get in touch with them?

>>10314361
>Not calling it Bronze Gate
Ah come on anon

>>10314757
If they do a gold glitter colourway, they could call it Golden Gate

>>10314757
What’s the deal with Bronze Gate?

>>10314757
It's okay anon, you can take my joke as I go cry in a corner.

Are moitie pettis good? I just sent an SS after one but at 80 dollars I'm having second thoughts

>>10314774
Mine is really good but I bought it directly from moitie. I'd be worried about it being secondhand. The only reason someone would sell a petticoat that's still good is if she's leaving Lolita.

>>10314361
I've heard that the original files for iron gate were corrupted or lost. If that's the case, iron gate won't be re-released.

>>10314837
We. Know.
That is why we're suggesting they scan it, like JetJ did for Dragon-chan.

>>10314838
what is reading comprehension?

Moitie will obviously keep doing re-releases, so if you're realistic, what do you think they will re-release in 2020?

>>10314889
>the original files are lost or corrupted
>so they should scan it and rerelease based on the scans
You're the one who needs to improve her reading comprehension.

>>10315365
Nayrt they meant scan an existing dress' print you walnut.

>>10315361
I still hope for the nun OP that the doll was wearing, with the new lace collar that the old version was lacking.

>>10315423
>being realistic

>>10315361
I would love one of their velveteen solid dresses. I don't even care which one, but I don't know if they have the funds for it.

>>10315439
you mean these?

>>10315430
they did make it in a long version. I just want a normal version too.

>>10315361
> if you're realistic
Any rerelease besides IG is pretty much real, what

I'm glad Mana has been embracing his nose more recently

>>10315475
Then why haven't they re-released Gothic arch?

>>10315484
Probably because they made neo gothic arch.

>>10315490
But Neo-Gothic arch sucked

>>10315492
What’s the difference between Gothic Arch and Neo Gothic Arch besides cut?

>>10315494
The print was different and it had glitter and the new cuts suck

>>10315494
The print on Neo Gothic arch is bigger.
Neo Gothic Arch has a glittery print which many people hate.
Gothic arch has a much smaller understated print that is in a solid colour.

>>10315361
>realistic
Probably some printed cutsew

>>10315361
I just hope they make some more casual stuff.

I guess they won't rerelease those , but oh how I wish they'd resell those rose printed chiffon ops

And sleeping garden in grey. Why the fuck did they make that orange one? I hate that thing.

>>10315507
I hate all the new sleeping gardens if we're being honest. The bodice is so awkward and not flattering at all either.

>>10315450
More like this kind of deal.

I don't remember where but a few years ago I read somewhere that Moitie wasn't releasing new socks etc because they couldn't make the lace anymore. I guess they "fixed" this issue by having lower standards.

>>10315569
Pretty much

>>10315569
It’s more like they needed a new factory, which is what they did. Assuming that’s still in Japan at least.

>>10315529
ugh yessss please it's so beautiful

>>10315569
I actually like their socks better now. At least the ones with the lacings seem to stay up much better than before.

>>10315612
And the new one sucks. I don't think they especially wanted to make less soft lace if they had a choice. But it's better than nothing.

>>10315507
>rose printed chiffon ops
I strongly suggest these to be unrealistic because it may be made out of mass produced rose fabric rather than being original print. See, they released a lot of different rose prints. From this point I wonder if net print was original print or made out of stock fabric.

>>10315647
The most recent one also didn't sell that well iirc

>>10315649
I think it was because it didn't look very "Moitie", at least not to me. They could have done a black chiffon or otherwise bodice and rose print fabric on the skirt or something.

>>10314463
>>10314465
>>10314677
I'm in that picture, hi! The picture is true to life, the rerelease (the one on the right) is cold emerald green and the gold print is brighter and glittery. I couldn't really observe how high the waist of each version was sitting in comparison because we're different heights and the sash was hiding the waist anyway. However the sash on the rerelease is wider than the original release.

>>10315670
No one cares that you’re in the picture. Everything you just said has been discussed. Quit being such an insufferable narcissist.

>>10314744
Yeah Juliet OP is a weak design, lacks interesting details and I hate the fabric choice. There was also the cross front jsk which I hated, the giant cross is too flashy for me. Then gardenia OP, too long. I would kill for a solid OP with nice details and lace

>>10315361
Something no one wants like alchemy in a terrible cut

I wish they’d do Pleats or Quadruple OP or stuff like >>10315529 mentioned. They are nice plain solids, it’s not so unrealistic to recreate. Although Idk what kind of logic their decisions are based on.

>>10315483
i too want to embrace his nose~

>>10315361
they're working on some new lace designs and buttons, so maybe some new originals that are both pretty and classical.

>>10315718
Part of me theorized that they may release Alchemy or Harpsichord with the red colorways because they released the red lace up socks.

>>10315879
I'm here for red colour ways in anything.

>>10315884
Alchemy and harpsichord are so ugly tho

>>10315879
I feel like the did the red because of the bat skirt, but it should be a colour they do again soon at least.

I hate both of them but they would be easy to rerelease.

We are also likely to get more jewelry like earrings or bracelets soon.

>>10315569
>>10315629
I was thinking of buying a pair of the new lace-up socks but I wasn't sure if they'd fit me/if the laces would stay properly.

If I fit other brand socks and tights fine but sometimes have trouble with taobao stockings, are they significantly smaller? I'm worried about my huge calf muscles...

>>10315892
I have big calves too and they fit really well. I only wish I had bought different colours.

I can't wait for Tekko! Mana was how I discovered lolita in 2003, it feels like a dream come true to be able to see him in person at a con in the US...

>>10315896
Oh that's good to hear, thank you!

>>10315892
They work well for most leg sizes! The ribbons are really stretchy so they can be as tight or loose as you need. I was surprised how well they stay up without sliding down.

>>10315886
I personally like them quite a bit, but they had to grow on me. They look a lot prettier in person, especially with the chiffon overlay.

>>10315867
Hope so. I wish they used some other motifs for their lace rather than crosses.

>>10315886
I love both of the prints.I own harpsichord and it's beautiful. I wish they would release the alchemy jsk.

>>10315886
I really love both series. Especially I do like the satin version over the chiffon one for harpsichord. I believe harpsichord is Mana’s fave, so it would not surprise me if they re-release it. I hope they would do a long version as well this time though. The standard version is just too short on me.

>>10315889
The skirt is quite a different red color though. Having seen both in color I don’t think they match well together.
I wonder if the jewelry is really working for them, except for the cross they barely seem to sell. The stock at KERA seems to remain untouched everytime I go.

>>10316278
Exactly. That's why I got the idea they may be bringing back some jewel tone prints. That's just total conjecture though.

>>10316066
new one has coffins and crosses.

>>10316416
How do you know?

>>10316463
I'm a Salon member, I just don't care enough to share their news 99% of the times.

>>10316468
And here I was, just wondering if they had any members besides die-hard fans of Moi dix Mois

>>10316469
I just like seeing new things before everyone else. They have pre-orders sometimes for members too. And it's fairly cheap so I don't mind.

>>10316468
Oh, so do Salon Members get to see their next releases fairly early? That's cool. Hopefully we'll have some new main pieces soon.

>>10316487
they haven't previewed anything new in a while, but it does seem that they are working on a fair amount of new stuff for 2020.

>>10316416
I hope one day a lily will become the star of the flower show. Even if only for one year. I'd loe to see Moitie;s take on funeral lillies.

>>10314689
Apparently they lost all the patterns for their old solid designs, people have asked.

But idk why they couldn’t hire a designer who knows what they’re doing to do something similar tho? Or attempt to replicate?

>>10316866
Their decisions are completely nonsensical. Why did they re-release the long apron and not the short one? Nobody asked for long releases.

>>10316866
most of these older designs are pretty simple. Maybe they just cant replicate them due to copyrights of the original designer

>>10315886
Agreed, I briefly had harpsichord trio but it's just so tacky I sold it.

>>10316872
Why wouldn't they just say that then instead of lying? In any case, that's a really dumb excuse. We don't expect things to be 100% exact since that rarely happens.

>>10316871
god I hate long dresses. I want normal 45cm skirts.

I think we have to ask for normal length/short releases more. When they did a survey on what people wanted, I'm sure every tall person said they want more long releases, but nobody thought it necessary to say "keep doing normal length"

Looks like a pochette is in the works.

>>10316883
I kinda want the necklace and bracelet they used in these photos, hope they'll sell those in the future

>>10316881
It's just a trend to make everything longer now unfortunately, AP are doing it too

>>10316887
It's strange, because other than tall girls, I don't really know anyone who actually enjoys the longer releases outside of classic lolita. I actually love skirts which are just above the knee the most, so I hope it comes back into the brands' favour soon.

>>10316888
I believe its part of the whole "mature lolita" trend that's going on, with most of the Japanese girls into the fashion growing older and wanting to tone done their style, by wearing longer skirts.

>>10316888
I'm short and I occassionally like long dresses, but only for a certain look. I much prefer the standard length cuts and think Moitie should release more of those. It reads as their original silhouette to me.

>>10316887
AP and other brands still release their main releases in normal length

>>10316892
But the standard length is more toned down than long length

>>10316883
Looks like a fabric bag. I've seen some like these in local metal / rock stores, but, of course, without the logo and with small chains instead of ribbon.

>>10316895
Not to them apparently. I don't like the longer length either, even the normal length is a bit to long for me since I'm very short.

>>10316883
A wine bag!

>>10316883
I'm not a fan, it's not particularly elegant to me.

>>10316468
Please tell are there any hints about releasing older stuff?

>>10317047
Not that I could tell. I will update if there's anything interesting in the future if there's demand for it

>>10317050
Please do. Can’t tell for other gulls, but I’m all about that stuff.

>>10317050
Do any of you feel comfortable starting the petition for older releases? I would but I'm not very savvy with that sort of thing.

>>10317064
I'll do my best then. I rarely have the chance to talk Moitie with anyone

>>10317015
It reminds me of AP's bag.

>>10316883
It looks like something made from a gosu rori pattern

One of my friends owns Shirring Ribbon OP but she stopped wearing lolita years ago. She's now into vegan minimalist fashion or whatever. It's my other friends dream dress but she won't sell the OP because her mom gave it to her and it's rude to sell/give away presents. I asked if I could borrow it once and she said she doesn't know where it is lol.

>>10317457
Tell her she's doing a disservice to her mom by not wearing it when she could use the money from it to buy something she would enjoy-- or even a gift for her mom in return. I bet she'd change her mind if she knew how much desperate people would pay for it.

>>10317457
It’s her dress and she isn’t obliged to sell the dress. I agree it’s rude to sell gifts.

>>10317457
Yeah, seconding >>10317480. Maybe if it was from someone I no longer spoke with but from my mom? I wouldn’t sell it either. Not that this is anything but fictional b8.

>>10317480
>>10317488
>It’s rude to sell/give away gifts
Seriously? If anything it’s rude to give things to people and then get offended if they don’t hang on to it forever. My mom even usually prefaces her gifting with “if you don’t like it you can always sell it!”. The point of a gift is to make the receiver happy, and keeping a bunch of stuff you don’t like or use out of fear of offending someone doesn’t make anyone happy.

>>10317491
Not sure about where you’re from but it’s seen as an insult to the gift giver where I’m from. If it’s someone who will never really know then you discreetly get rid of it if you absolutely hate it, but if it’s from people close to you it’s a big nono

>>10317492
Where I'm from it's seen as passive aggressive and rude to not use a gift you received. I think if her mom were a reasonable person she would not be upset about her selling a dress she had for years without wearing.

>>10317492
That just some bs, honestly its a hoarder mentality. The sooner you accept that people wont hold over you that you dont have every single gift given ever, the sooner you will be able to have a healthy relationship with items.

The appreciation of the gift was already had, and she probably wore it when she got it. Now at this point if it is no longer has a use in her life it is unreasonable to keep stuff just because it was a gift. Cherish the item with photos then let it go.

Also it is worth a ton atm so financially its stupid to keep something that could pay off a loan because mommy may find out.

>>10317602
It's the selling bit of a gift that's the rudest part. There are ways to get rid of gifts without having to sell said gift on. The sense of entitlement I'm seeing here is astonishing. That's one of the things that annoys me the most about the Lolita community, the idea that people have a right to other people's belongings, that they are more deserving of owning a piece from someone else's wardrobe than that person. Not everyone wants to sell pieces on. In this situation it sounds like this person wants to keep on to this dress for whatever reason even if she'd as a whole left the fashion. I've seen friends of mine do the same with one of two pieces they own.

>>10317622
So you rather she gives it to her friend that its her DD then, since it isnt selling? It seems unfair for the girl to not get the monetary value of the piece because you think its entitlement that I hope she isnt screwed over by your sentiments.

If she said she wanted to keep it because it is sentimental that is one thing, but just because it is a gift isnt an indicator of any special feelings towards the gift itself just the idea that its "taboo". That isnt being entitled, I dont want her to sell it to me. I want her to be able to learn to part with items you dont need since it seems like in her life otherwise she wants to go that way.

>>10317633
Not saying that at all. Like I said, in this case the owner of the dress should keep the dress. Just because it’s her friend’s dream dress doesn’t mean that she’s obliged to sell it to her. If anything the person is coming across as an entitled brat.

>>10316888
Same. And even some classic lolitas are sick of it.

But maxi skirts are popular even in normal fashion right now so I suppose the trend is here to stay until it passes from fashion overall.

>>10317670
I definitely think it's the maxi skirt trend seeping in. It's cute, but I wish the more standard length becomes more common again.

>>10315820
If they do pleats op, they will probably make changes to it so it fits more people

I posted >>10317457 and it's not her friends dream dress, it's my friends dream dress. I just wanted to vent here anonymously because I don't want to tell her to sell it. She is actually a sweetheart and would lend it out to anyone but she doesn't remember where it is and her mom is super strict. I probably should have posted in the feels thread instead.

>>10317865
If they do, I'm fine with something like shirring in the back with lacing to make it tighter. I prefer no shirring, but I'd much rather have sizing that can be adjusted rather than pieces that are too big with no adjustability.

>>10317880
I'd rather they don't change anything about the design, but that's probably asking for to much

>>10317865
I wish they did. I'm gonna have a hard time squeezing myself into current measurements.

>>10317074
I guess it's too vague to petition some abstract "older releases". Probably it's better to work for some particular pieces.

>>10317940
Would we be able to collaborate on what pieces would be easiest for them to re-release in their current state? Or is cgl even the best place to do this?

>>10317968
Shirring ribbon OP. Simple fabric and doesn't need to change size.

>>10317973
>>10317968
Would love to see both shirring ribbon and pleats op rereleased, pleats OP was a dream dress of mine that I always felt I couldn't do justice even if I could afford the high prices it goes for being so rare... I would feel less bad about it if it became more available (and with more forgiving/extended sizing as well, I'm sort of between Moitie sizing).

>>10317968
Net print OP

>>10317968
I'd contribute the following:
- pleats op (I don't think a lot of people would mind bigger size or probably even shirring)
- chiffon 4-tiers op (has elastic waist)
- long bustle op (has shirring)

>>10318002
Do you think enough people would buy that to justify a re-release? Or is it a plan to bankrupt new moitie

>>10318008
What piece do you mean exactly? It's just some random suggestion, no need to be that hostile. Plus petition may show how many people approx are interested.

>>10318002
whoops, bustle op has back lacing, not shirring. my bad.

>>10318008
Are you implying pleats wouldn’t sell

So many dresses I'd love to see back. But , unless people decide on one specific piece, it won't work.
(I'd vouch for pleats too, anyway)

>>10317973
It would be pretty easy but they hate us

>>10318055
The fact that they only did the longer nun cut for their 20th ani means its unlikely they will do the shorter cut now. It would have made sense then.

>>10316416
If this is true then we are getting a blouse.

>>10317968
I vote for shirring ribbon OP

It’s incredibly popular and one of the few pieces we can probably get everyone to agree on

I think getting a short version of the nun OP and cape collar OP is most likely to happen if we ask for it

>>10318219
Dropped pic

>>10318105
About the nun OP their customer service said it's possible they'll do a long cut in the future but there aren't any specific plans to do it

>>10317997
unironically this

>>10318241
Well, imo the dress would still look cute with shirred back instead of zipper so the back side looks the same as front. But it’s printed piece, so idk if that’s possible.

>>10317906
The same. IMO they should just release it in several sizes, not just the regular size 9 and 11 (aka their size 1 & 2). I'm a size us 4 so I have not trouble fitting their size 1 but if they are smart they don't change the design. We love the design, altering it will make us unhappy. I understand not everyone fits their size 2 (which is a japanese size 11), it's still quite small. Just make 3 or 4 different sizes, all made to order. Like if size 3 & 4 gets 50 orders, they will make it iyswim? Maybe for a small extra charge on top of the retail price, like 2000 yen. Other brands (indie though) have done that before and I'll bet most plus sized Moitie loving gals are willing to pay a little extra.

>>10318268
>>10318268
honestly if they're afraid of making dresses that won't sell they should just make them all MTOs. No losses and the costumers who did pay leave happy and content.

>>10318268
Size 9 is slightly bigger than size 1 nowadays. I wear their old size 1 and it fits perfectly, but size 9 makes me swim inside their pieces... While I know most of us would get upset over a change of design, I must agree with the other anon who suggested pieces with the corseted option. It's good for those of us who fit their old sizing and good for those who are size 9+.

>>10318130
I would love shirring ribbon if it can come in 2 sizes, a very petite and then medium size. The current OPs are way too stretched on some people

>>10318277
I feel like of all brands, Moitie is the one with one of the bigger markets for petite sizes, as their old pieces were almost all on that end of sizing. I'm confused why they made two sizes but neither of them comes close to the size of their initial audience. I'd definitely get Shirring Ribbon if they release it in a small size.

>>10318271
Yeah, I like it that way too. They should do MTO's for all dresses.
>>10318275
I can definitely live with a corsetted version but honestly, I like the original design better. I do like that they make several sizes these days, but it's sad that they no longer do a very petite size, they should make a size 0.

>>10318282
Most people these days aren't as slim as they were in the 90's & 00's so they cater to "today's" sizes (mostly western s & m) because that will sell better. Lets face it, especially westerns have been complaining how small their old garments were. I feel they they listened to those complaints. It's sad they no longer seem to care about their initial petite sized customers though, they should. Perhaps this is WW's influence?

>>10318290
They also lied about the old sizes for so long people didn't give moitie a chance who would've fit it. A lot of the old skirts will fit someone who is on the smaller side but they were always listed as being so impossibly small

>>10318314
This is actually why I slept on Moitie for so long. Turns out most of their old stuff is pretty perfect for me but that 82cm bust always scared me.

>>10318314
>>10318335
I had the same problem. Even at that time I fit some but not all old VM for example, at 86 cm bust and 66 cm waist, but my waist has gone up about 4 cm since 10 years ago and I'm sure at this point I would have to wear a size 2.

It doesn't help that I rarely see the actual measurements posted for Moitie, just the number size, and I doubt it's actually that consistent piece to piece.

>>10318335
Yeah, that 82cm bust is pretty ridiculous, I also never ordered from them because despite being small, I wasn't under 82cm bust. The actual measurements of pieces are still small, but not that tiny, so I really feel like it did a lot of damage.

>>10318275
>>10318282
>>10318284
Glad I'm not the only one! The new releases have been disappointing because they're so big on me. Especially Sleeping Garden - the added shirring rendered the corsetting useless!

>>10318314
Yeah I know, I thought I wouldn't fit Moitie with a 65cm waist and 85cm bust either, so I didn't buy things from them very often even though I really wanted to. Cause shit was listed as 82cm bust like >>10318368 says. Since WW has taken over the brand, the size charts make more sense than the old ones and and the sizes are more versatile. I like that change, and I'm happy to finally be able to support the brand.

>>10318271
Umm there are losses financially when you do an MTO that doesn't sell very well. Did you think manufacturers charge the same price per dress for MTO versus a huge batch of the same? What about the fabric, threads, lace, dye etc. Everything is more expensive if you order smaller amounts.

>>10318382
>WW
You mean tamaqro, they ruined both WW and Moitie

>>10318282
I'm one of the petite people into moitie and I'm really sick of the base size getting bigger and bigger leaving me swimming. I get I'm probably an outlier but I would really appreciate a sizing option that doesnt have to have the corset lacing taken all the way in.

I'm also bored of rereleases in general, I'd rather see new stuff. Frankly with all the quality issues they've been having I wouldn't trust them to get a rerelease right. Unless they work with a collaborating designer they seem to have pretty bland taste in trims and fabrics. They cheaped out on the custom lace too for gods sake. I feel like Moitie fans are being taken advantage of while the company goes after bandwagoners, and no one is holding them to a standard.

>>10318392
okay, so what pieces out of listed above do you own?

>>10318392
They should just add a size zero to their range, even if they were a special mto option. I fit their new size 1 very well but can't help feeling sorry for petite people like you who were loyal customers for so many years.

The pleats OP is a very odd dress. If you're not below the measurements, which are quite small to begin with, your fat is going to expand the pleats in the bodice and make you look like a chunky jester. That dress won't work with shirring or corset lacing for the same reason. Any stress on the pleats makes it look awful.

I want to bid on the pleats op but I'm not sure how much. Also lol@ someone bidding 666 euro on it

>>10318494
really nice point! aligned pleats is the thing that balances the puffy sleeves and makes it look so pretty overall

>>10318498
Just decide how much it's worth you and bid that. No sense in getting caught up in needing to win if it's not a DD.

>>10318578
Nayrt but what dumb advice, it's like if someone says "I don't know what to wear today" and you say "just think about what you want to wear and wear that"

>>10318498
I would rather not give my coin to choke so I will hold out for another or perhaps a Re-release

>>10318740
Keep in mind that re-release is cgl meme, not an actual announcement. Don’t put much expectation in it.

>>10318827
I’m aware. That’s why I said perhaps.

Totally ripped this from MmM's youtube channel.

>>10318946
Mind to elaborate?

>>10318949
You just go to the youtube channel, rightclick and inspect, and then just do a little digging in the code to find the image link ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>10318946
I love Ruins cathedral, so I'll try to not get really hyped about it. But a bit sketchy to rerelease it right after Silent Moon. I'd be expecting something less similar.

>>10318946
Anon don't play with my heart. That's just their cover. It's been there for a while.

>>10319110
Anon literally said that though?

Are those chocker and JSK new? Can't recall seeing that lace before

>>10319938
They're from 2005, I have stock photos of the choker at home, the skirt is here: https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-ladder-lace-tucks-skirt

>>10319938
Sorry you wrote jsk, I don't know of a jsk with a single row of Candelabra ladder lace, could be skirt and a black top, could be this op and a lot of hassling to make the sleeves less wonky underneath the cardigan: https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-ladder-lace-op

>>10319953
Yeah it might be that one. I wonder if they just pulled out old stock for the photo or if they're planning to re-release it.

>>10319953
Does anyone have worn photos of this?

>>10319938
Choker: https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-ladder-lace-choker

>>10320027
>https://lolibrary.org/items/moitie-ladder-lace-choker
It's not the same, the one in the photo has a cross charm in the front, and more netting.

>>10320041
It isn’t the same choker as anon linked, but unfortunately it’s not a new design. It’s the same as this one but in a different color. Guessing from the green lace I’d say it’s probably a 2010-2013ish release.

https://item.mercari.com/jp/m45467709312/?_s=U2FsdGVkX18RUG9G3sNMG2YVlx9YLhjwwd8sdp5k9s-qNiL_SaUrULJjxeO7G4SbH66VYGfSYNVxDBP1Gah4cu99skrnL1S1Zk_otl-RZPEwQPGU29fhmkkOoNCDzFl9

>>10319958
Nah they just tease us with old stock.

>>10316887
I agree. I got into lolita partially due to it's length and shape. Brands keep really pushing what lolita means in length. It just feels too niche in tastes and something that should stay in classic. No one really was super into it when they originally started pushing this trend to begin with. I think if we're going to mess with lolita length, an inch or two shorter is better than being incredibly long.

>>10320684

Older Japanese and Chinese lolitas were, actually. Brands were simply catering to their tastes.

>>10320388
That's lame. I'd like to see those return. Simple and elegant, it nails the Moitie aesthetic down so much more then prints in my eyes

>>10320688
That's not because old Chinese or Japanese lolitas asked for longer dresses, but because in Japan and also in some historical fashion that lolita takes inspiration from, long= old and short=young.

Tolltrollinatollttoolhouse *dingDONG*

There's a white Royal Gate for 100k yen at Mercari right now.

>>10320914
It's Iron Gate tho

>>10320914
It's Iron Gate tho. The condition is great and it's my preferred cut, too bad it's white.

>>10320925
Oh, sorry, typed in a rush. Iron Gate*

>>10321876
If It were the Grey one I'd be so happy to buy It

>>10321876
I've contemplating the blue one for a while now.

Didn't realise you can do this with the skirt. Now i want it.

>>10321881
>>10321892
They might have it in-store

>>10323093
Oh that's Nice.

>>10323094
Really? Sorry for the noob question, but is it possible to check the stock in_store through email , before sending a local ss to check it personally?

>>10323093
You've been missing out friend.

>>10323093
The only reason I was considering the skirt at all.

>>10320740

But it sort of goes back to what the customer wants. lolitas stopped wearing shorter length dresses, so brands catered to older lolitas by increasing the length, and voila, they get that customer base again. personally i find shorter lengths a little bare on me these days as i get older, so while long length might be a bit overboard, i get the sentiment.

anyways i'm pretty fond of long length dresses but it's cool if you're not! i can definitely see why (messes with the silhouette etc)

>>10323093
This co-ord is so gorgeous. I'm so happy i got the op in white, I want to recreate this.

Salon anon here.
New items were announced; a set of jewelry, including of a bracelet and earrings. Has a Maria portrait.
The new coffin tore bag.
New socks and tights.

>>10323614
>Has a Maria portrait.
Omg
Thanks for the updates, anon!

>>10323640
I find them pretty meh imo, but I'm sure other gulls would love 'em

>>10323614
>a set of jewelry, including of a bracelet and earrings.
If it's as nice as the silent moon necklace than I'll be super happy.

>>10323365
Except they didn't stop wearing short length.. moitie long length has always sold out last, even later than skirts

>>10323614
Thank you for the update? Is there also more red? I love the thought of red motie <3

>>10324106
No reds this time, Jewelry are gold and silver, and everything else is the usual black x blue x white colorways.

>>10324109
ah so sad, thank you for your fast response!

Salon anon again.
Seems like the salon is going to change soon? I didn't quite understand the change though. Instead of closing it down in the end of March like it was supposed to, it will now be more driven by Mana himself rather than just a fashion brand operated salon or smth like that.

:0

>>10325282

>>10325283
Curious how they are planning to enforce this on an anonymous coconut harvesting site.

>>10325282
>>10325283
Mana is lurking on /cgl

>>10325304
Now people have to wonder if it's Mana calling them fat itas in the CoF threads...

>>10325282
Probably someone who works with them and can read English? I doubt actual staff knows anything but Japanese

>>10325304
Please rerelease main pieces and stop releasing shitty accessories no one cares for.

Hope they do lurk here.

>>10325304
Does he even know English? Like, for real?

>>10325419
They do lurk here but they don’t care because they are busy catering to what their local Japanese customer wants. They only lurk here to see if they can find which member leaks.

There are at least 2 staffs who are fluent in English checking up all the social media accounts of lolitas who are into Moitie and also the message boards. If you are a member and your social media is public, chances are that they are already stocking you, even your stories, to make sure you didn’t post their “exclusive” content. Now with the closure of the salon, the staffs can finally relax a bit.

>>10318290
Mana's mentioned in at least one interview that they started adding more shirring and stuff because they wanted "everyone to wear the clothes" (ie western audience)

>>10325441
No, not at all

>>10326528
silly Mana, trying to throw us off his scent

>>10325441
He is beyond our mortal languages

Just saw It on Facebook. I quite like it, thanks for sharing the info beforehand, Salon anon.

>>10326667
And also

>>10326668
Oh dear...

>>10326669

The only thing I liked was >>10326667., But I would never make an order just to get it, so hopefully they'll release a main piece soon so I may get this baby in blue.

I hate how the earrings aren't clip-on. Pierced versions that aren't made out of gold won't work for me, so no no.

Gotta agree that the bag looks like a Pinterest DIY project, like someone mentioned in this thread. I'd go further and say that it looks like a mook free gift (I still have that one by Innocent World and I love it).

>>10326563
nothing says "God like" more than extravagant hand gestures

>>10326671
They're making a pierced and clip-on version, according to facebook.

On a different note, I'm not really a fan of any of these.

>>10326702
Me neither anon. The only thing I'm happy for is the re-release of the rose socks, I like those.

>>10326702
>They're making a pierced and clip-on version
Oh I might have skipped It, thanks for the info

>>10326669
Why does this look better than the bodice on the new sleeping gardens

>>10326668
Mary. Ew

>>10326670
I like these gloves a lot actually

>>10327255
WW has released a pair Just like this one but without the ribbon, and it's half the price.

https://youtu.be/TjS5kYyuD_w
Nice video. I love these guys. New album's gonna be great.

>>10326669
Is the wax ribbon not tied into a bow? The two with it look like it's a closed loop, but the poly ribbon one is tied.

>>10327287
WW doesn't list the material for theirs, the listing just says it's stretchy. The MmM ones are cotton which I think makes them worth it. Provided the WW ones aren't...

Does anyone know where these shoes are from? I don’t think they are Demonia

>>10328514
Aren't they Moitie?

>>10328489
This is great. I didn't realize Mana was a Llamazan Kitchen fan.

>>10328489
Nice ASMR.

>>10328550
For real!

>>10328543
somewhat related, but have they released any shoes recently?

>>10328622
Nope

>>10328543
No logo is visible on the shoes, so I don’t think so.

>>10329206
I don't own any Moitie shoes so I wouldn't know, but they do look like a pair Mana wore before. If anon is really curious maybe asking Fannie would give them an answer

>>10328622
Man, I wish they would release some shoes. It's so hard to find decent quality platforms that look good with lolita.

>>10329312
Angelic Imprint on Taobao has a few good ones

>>10329325
Yeah, I tried ordering from them but even though I always get the same size, the shoes were somehow like 2 sizes too big for me. I don't really want to risk it again.

>>10329329
I never had them fail me, but I get your fear. Every western brand shoe is always too big for me, only Japanese size S are a good fit for me so I have no recommendations on western brands unfortunately

>>10329329
The same happened to me despite it usually being perfect. I'm going to try again though since they aren't too expensive and their shoes are so sturdy.

>>10329370
I wear Japanese size S too, anon. What size do you get? I got the 36, which was much too big.

>>10329391
Let me know how it goes for you, maybe I'll try again too since they really do seem like a great option otherwise.

>>10329401
I get 35 most of the time. 36 is usually to big on me even with western shoes though.

>>10329257
Those aren't Fannie's legs, but maybe she knows about upcoming releases

>>10329880
Even if she does, she's probably not allowed to speak about them

>>10329880
Fannie doesn't know shit about dick about what their doing. She just wears their clothes sometimes.

does anyone have more pics of this?

>>10328514
> The shoes are for reference only and we are unable to share more information

Well, that’s that I guess. Maybe angelic imprint can make me some similar ones.

>>10330285
If moitie made their own shoes nowadays, they'd likely be similar quality to AI or even worse to be honest. But they'd charde $250 for them.

>>10317047
what dress is the white one?

To chime in on the bigger sizes: it's not just because westerners demand dresses that fit them, it's also because people keep getting taller and taller. It's been 2 decades since moitie started, back then the average height simply was smaller. Even japanese teens nowadays can get quite tall and in the end lolita simply is a fashion for young women, so they gotta cater to them.

Sorry but I can't really bring myself to feel sorry for short girls who are complaining, you still have it easier than taller ones.

>>10331076
I really wish I could agree but
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/02/12/national/science-health/average-height-japanese-born-1980-later-declining-study-finds/

Did any of you manage to get this?
https://item.mercari.com/jp/m69881364630/?_s=U2FsdGVkX197RnDSfVh0I6fKwSbKxG5vttQYvCU7uh7uTeyTsZfWEVNyxWqHFtXbCRx5gnCjC6d3cGxoKsrdlXswU6jq08HC4t8evEiOjvXgwhmfc_TH1C-LA74wh4B5

I've been trying to buy this for a few years but my SS was too late again

New Releases † Rose Cross Lace OTKs & Rose Cross Lace Frill Choker

>>10334385
Rose Cross Lace OTKs

Classic OTKs that match a wide variety of coordinates, using our original Rose Cross Lace and a bow made from 6mm ribbon.
Socks, lace material and product details are the same as our Lace Ribbon OTKs

【Colors】
Black x white lace x black ribbon
Black x black lace x blue ribbon
Black x black lace x black ribbon
Black x blue lace x black ribbon
Black x black lace x red ribbon
Black x black lace x bordeaux ribbon

【Material】
Socks
90% Cotton
10% Polyurethane

●Lace (black, white)
Base fabric 100% nylon
Embroidery upper thread 100% rayon
Embroidery bobbin thread 100% cotton

●Lace (black x blue)
Base fabric 100% nylon
Embroidery upper thread 100% rayon
Embroidery bobbin thread 100% polyester

【Size】
Heel to sock top 52~75cm
Toes to heel 20~28cm

【Price】
4200JPY (+tax)

>>10334385
I wish they'd release a white with black lace option, but alas, at least there seems to be more red

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW-7ZSLFYqo
I didn't saw this when it came out but bitch, how dare you disrespect our lord and savior like this? Constantly talking about his dick is really low.
Fuck off with your gazillion pastel vomit dresses, gross hair and holier-than-thou attitude.

>>10336620
There's nothing funny or entertaining about this video, and I don't appreciate you baiting me into watching it by exaggerating how much she talks about his dick. Do people only watch her because there's nothing better for lolitas?

When ia the next relevant release going to be announced? Geez.

Maybe I'm extremely depressed, but I think Moitie will be the next big brand to die. Which is a shame because I am a newish lolita and their older pieces are really what sparks joy for me. I try to support them now but it's clearly not the same...

>>10338388
I maybe i'm biased because i don't want to believe this, but i feel like MMM are just parched when it comes to releasing new fresh stuff. I know people want releases and i appreciate them having staples constantly in stock, but what I would really like is a new print or cut. Something exciting.

>>10338388
Not liking a brand's items is personal choice, not an indicator of their survival.

I dont see any reason to think they will die while they are releasing more and more things. Smaller brands will always have a smaller amount of products they release and will take more time to get new items, as they have less staff overall.

>>10338407
I mean because there seems to be so little passion. They don't even seem to be trying to hire a designer very much either... It seems like they are okay with providing the bare minimum when there are many things they could do to make the fans happy.

>>10338428
That isnt the case though? We dont have an idea of what they are doing to get a new designer but they arent the first brand to go through that. Aatp had a period of meh looks in the last few years while changing designers and now is back on it.

I dont really think they are doing the bare minimum, they are clearly reacting to the feedback they got on their survey and are doing changes to react to things that happen, like >>10334385 sock material is the same as the lace up so it is stretchier. A ton of Moitie fans are into mana related non fashion material, so they released that. A ton of people wanted bedroom stuff, so they released that. Some things will take time to get done, production time is far longer than I think most people realize, and they were never crazy at releasing things so their schedule is actually more often than they used to be.

>>10338450
Yeah I remember when I just started wearing Lolita I could take several months to decide if I wanted a Moitie skirt because it didn't sell out fast, and that was years ago

>>10338450
A ton of people wants another gate print, but here we are

>>10338450
A ton of people wanted another gate print, but here we are

>>10338428
I honestly believe that right now they’re just testing factories and seeing which are the best fit before they start up on better releases. It makes sense that they’d be testing with the staple stuff and then all these re-releases that have steadily gone up in quality. The Silent Moon re-release is a prime example of that: they needed better printing after doing a small batch and found someone who could get it done before they did a large batch. Good things are coming, just need to be patient.

>>10339053
That does make me feel better. Thanks!

>>10339053
I wanna believe in u anon

>>10339053
Proof? Or are you just assuming

>>10338388
Noobs gtfo

>>10340877
I was assuming based on what I’ve seen from releases. But they did announce that they redid the printing process after that initial batch of Silent Moon OPs so it would make sense that the first round was a test round.

>>10340894
In other words, you're talking out of your ass. Don't make baseless assumptions when you don't actually know if that's true or not.

>>10341088
This whole board is just people talking out of their ass, dont be stupid. We can only speculate here.

>>10341088
>expected a hard business and marketing plan from a brand to be confirmed on CGL

Come on, anon.

>>10341088
Oh, fuck off, newfag. This isn’t the place for official brand news and nothing else. People make random educated guesses all the time.

Candelabra Embroidery Shirt (Ladies’)

A simple shirt for everyday wear with candelabra embroidery on the chest, asymmetric cuffs and slits on both sides. Coordinate it with a necktie or ribbon according to your personal style.

【Colors】
White
Grey
Black

【Size】
Length・58.5cm
Bust・91cm
Waist・85cm
Shoulder width・39cm
Sleeve length・56.5cm (47.5cm + cuff 9~16cm)

【Material】
65% Polyester
35% Cotton
Embroidery thread 100% rayon

Buttons are sensitive to heat and may stain when warmed up.
Please take care not to let them touch other garments after ironing or steaming until they have cooled down.

【Price】
12.500JPY (+tax)

Candelabra Embroidery Shirt (Men's)

A simple shirt for everyday wear with candelabra embroidery on the chest, asymmetric cuffs and slits on both sides. Coordinate it with a necktie or ribbon according to your personal style.

【Colors】
White
Grey
Black

【Size】
Length・81.5cm
Bust・104cm
Waist・100cm
Shoulder width・39cm
Sleeve length・65cm (56cm + cuff 9~16cm)

Bust, waist and shoulder width are the same as the Bat Collar men's blouse but may fit differently due to different materials used

【Material】
65% Polyester
35% Cotton
Embroidery thread 100% rayon

Buttons are sensitive to heat and may stain when warmed up.
Please take care not to let them touch other garments after ironing or steaming until they have cooled down.

【Price】
14.000JPY (+tax)

>>10343480
Why can't they release things people actually wantttttt

M+ROSE × Cross Necklace

Based on the classic M+CROIX × Cross necklace with a rose cross in the middle, a smaller version of the Logo Cross Pendant from days past with the logo removed.

【Colors】
Silver
Gold

【Size】
Cross charms: smallest 1.3cm × 2.2cm, biggest 2.1cm × 3.7cm
Length: max. 46cm

【Material】
Brass, zinc alloy, iron, crystal glass

Crystal glass is the same used for the Holy Cross bracelet and Holy Rose earrings.
Colors may differ slightly due to antique look treatment.

【Price】
10.000JPY (+tax)

†

【Release Date (all)】
February 22, 3pm JST

And the gold one.
>>10343483
The ega crowd have been clamouring for something, but I feel like MMM have released more than enough blouses for them. The previous release with the cutsews and the asymmetric skirt was more of a step in the right direct in my opinion if they really can't release any new prints at the moment.

>>10343483
It's an easy and cheap design and their current demographic eats up anything they release anyway.

>>10343480
This is literally just an office blouse. Fuck off, new Moitie.

>>10343515
I will buy it and wear it to the office. You guys can buy from all the other gothic brand that are still in business and releasing nice stuff.

>>10343485
Yes, I appreciate these more normal type blouses but I really want more EGL appropriate pieces if anything.

>>10343482
>>10343515

I feel like I should note down a distinction, just in case newbies reading this really do think there's no difference between these and office blouses.

The Moitie blouses have larger, sharper collars. Small difference, I know. Collars are very important with blouses, just a small thing like rounding the corners makes a blouse too sweet for EGA.

Office blouses usually have sharp corners, to show they're less sweet and mean serious business, but they're also generally narrow collars, because they're salaried wageslaves paid to work, they're not trying to be flamboyant peacocks.

The Moitie ones have large collars, with sharp corners, because these are blouses meant for flamboyant evil peacocks showing off that they're not working. Small details, huge difference.

>>10343515
This is a direct re-release of an early 2000s design.

>>10344038
>blouses meant for flamboyant evil peacocks showing off that they're not working.
This good description made me want to buy this blouse.

>>10344038
>>10343482
These blouses also feature a large flared aline cuff which you'd never see on a normie office blouse

>>10344496

Ah, I noted that, but it's really not as important as the collar. The collar is a huge (small) detail that really sets the tone, especially since it's right under your face so it's be one of the first things people see.

Office clothes in generally reek "utilitarian" and "I'm working efficiently" in many small details, I'm willing to bet the MmM shirt probably has wider sleeves as well, just to be even less practical.

so...it's safe to assume there's not gonna be a moitie tea party at tekko? or even a tea party at all?

>>10350715
Be patient next time. Cons are notorious for being slow to release anything.