/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10299985
Can I just say again how much I love the mermaid dress. Imai Kira does it again

>>10299992
But why? Structurally its hideous. Extremely busy bodice that wont flatter anyone, plain and boring skirt cut (not even tiers or anything interesting) that doesnt balance will with the bulky top. The art is nice but the dress is a disaster

>>10299985
There is almost no chance there is shirring on that bottom left OP, is there?

>>10299924
Because it's not shitty at all? It's average and very simple, not "costumey" whatsoever. The average chinese lolita actually looks better than the average american lolita, not in the least because they're all at least thin.

>>10299985
That flower print on the top right would have been so cute on a simple dress. I blame China and their shit taste, unironically.

>>10299992
>>10300017
I think it really looks bad on the form but I actually like the bodice because the gathered lace makes it look like a jellyfish, I think it’s pretty cute.

>>10299985
Holy fuck, these are so awful
I think it's legitimately time for me to give up on AP

>>10299985
Hey /cgl/ I don't drop by much, but wanted some help with some character outfit designs I was doing. (Nothing that looks good, so don't ask)

But I wanted to pair a cape with a lolita outfit, the closest I've seen is ouji stuff, but I wanted something more in the gothic style. I can't really see it working out due to shape being important for both capes and the dresses themselves, which means one will defeat the purpose of the other, but I figured I'd stop by and see if any yall gulls have any good examples of lolita with capes.

>>10299985
The sad thing is that as awful as these look they're still leagues better than taobao

>>10299992
I'm pretty sure the Imai Kira print is the perfume bottle one and not the mermaid one.
I don't care for mermaids but I do like the cut of that dress.

>>10300079
this is no the thread you want to be in.

>>10300081
The first two absolutely look worse than toabao. Especially the one with the pompom shit, just hideous

>>10300082
You’re wrong. The mermaid print is imai kira’s art style and the other looks nothing like it

>>10300083
Would there be a better one for lolita advice?
would the ita thread be more up my alley

>>10300088
there's a stupid questions thread, go there

>>10300082
Yikes. Just don’t talk when you’re this stupid

>>10300079
Look at the blogs and websites of the brand "Atelier Boz" maybe directly search for the japanese word for cape together with the brand name. Also go to the stupid question thread next time.

>>10300079
Look at the blogs and websites of the brand 'Atelier Boz' maybe directly search for the japanese word for cape together with the brand name. Also go to the stupid question thread next time.

Are there some cute Christmas hats/bonnets out there that aren’t just deer antlers or ears stuck on? I have to decorate a hat for a thing at work and kind of wanted to make it reuseable but am coming up short on ideas.

>>10300082
It’s the mermaid print

“Chateau d'ecumeピンク(サンプル展示有)来年のキラさんコラボ。貝殻や人魚姫のイラスト柄。上半身が大きなV字フリル+肩出しノースリーブでも着られる袖付き。ピンクはくすみ系ではなくはっきりした色味に見えました。”

>>10299985
Big fan of top right except for the neck area. Looks like the top of an h&m blouse

I can't find any info on when the honey cake mto is going to be shipped? Apart from it saying December (I know its still early..) anyone have any idea?

>>10300150
Why does this question show up in every goddamn thread?

>>10300150
I keep answering you, AP MTOs are always late, it will probably come out in Jan

>>10300158
>I keep answering you
you realize it might not be the same person right?

>>10300168
Who cares? This question has been asked dozens of time already this month, learn to use the search function.

>>10300081
dress 1 and 2 aren't really appealing because the structure is really strange for both. dress 3 and 4 just look like typical taobao or glittertale dresses with the lace around the ribbon

>>10300158
I have gotten 3 MTOs fulfilled this year, and they all came on the month specified, towards the end of the month. I'd expect getting some kind of notification in the 3rd or 4th week, but due to the new year, maybe sometime next month.

You won't hear anything until it's ready to ship. The best hint at them coming is watching JP lolita twitters when they start getting theirs in the mail or picking theirs up from the store. Or when they start getting put up for sale on the secondhand sites.

>>10300184
NAYRT but thank you for clearing it up. I got really worried when someone said it was going to be in January because I’ll be out of town

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>>10299845
I remember how one of Finnish lolitas mentioned on insta that this dress would work well for Finland's Independence day outfit and since then any time I see it I feel Nightwish playing in my head (not bad thing tho)

>>10299985
>high waisted dresses not fucking off in 2020
>sack dresses probably around the corner
time for everyone except flat-chans to continue looking frumpy/loafed in the new releases I guess
>yes my boobs' and I's jealousy is showing

Does anyone happen to have examples of how a sack dress + underbust corset over it looks when worn? I really like how it looks in this Sheglit coord, but I don't know if it'll look as cute without the coat over it.

>>10299985
I don't know if it's the lighting or what but these look so awful and ill fitting. Every time I think AP has reached the lowest point they can, they surprise me with something that looks even worse. The ice cream print gives me hope though, the bag looked nice. I hope it's cotton and the cuts are better than usual.

>>10299939
I just checked my FSD for wrinkles and I didn't find any on the top layer, it actually feels quite soft. The layer underneath does have some wrinkles though and it also feels a bit harder. Still, I could hardly recognize any wrinkles just from looking at the dress until I lifted up the printed layer. And again, I think different perception does play a role. I'm glad that you like Fancy Noel, but it looked underwhelming to me. To each their own I guess.

I miss the Meta days when Kuniko's designs actually didn't look like a sad craft sack.
Look guys, this is what could have happened to Meta if she didn't leave. What a tragic mess.

>>10300293
What the actual fuck

>>10300293
>>10300294
That fabric choice is truly tragic, had it been just the grey fabric then it could've been somewhat cute

>>10300296
She always picks craftstore fabric and pairs it with this simple, frumpy cut. It looks like something a amateur seamstress would make, but she sells it for USD200 or so.
I'm shook

>>10300293
I can’t see any difference between this and what meta puts out. It’s all tacky trash.

>>10300293
Look, she used to be great, but now she's really gone downhill. I really can't see why anyone would idolise her now aside from 'oh my gawd she is one of the original lolitas'. Newsflash, there's a lot of oldfags, and they're all people too.

>>10300301
Yeah no

>>10300305
Yeah I think I wouldn't even consider her brand "burando", most of the shit she puts out is hideous.
What is she even doing to that batik, it looks like some old grandmother's bedclothes.

>>10299985
I actually really like all of these

>>10300017

The mannequin's just too small for the dress. You can even see the waist practically hanging off like some boxy air pillow. Milky Swan has a similar bodice and generally looks decent when girls fit properly into them.

There's not much point to getting Imai Kira to illustrate the skirt and then proceed to butcher it by using a tiered cut, or covering it up with an overskirt, or obscuring it by putting bows and shiz all over it. Most of her collabs have been simple skirts so the artwork can be fully appreciated.

>>10300388
This looks terrible. Such ugly lace.

>>10300388
looks like the old lace monsters itas used to wear

>>10300388
It's such a shame, I love the collar.

>>10299985
the off white one is kinda cool and experimental. I love that they added pearls and the pom poms. I love those tacky craft store pom poms. the rest look gross.

>>10300220
it could potentially be delayed until January, if you think you are gonna be out of town for it let your post office know so they can hold your mail.

>>10300184
>>10300220
>>10300447
I had 1 MTO in 2018 and 2 this year, all of them arrived the start of the month after the estimate date

>>10300258
Excentrique used to do this a lot, look up their old stock photos or photos from the defunct shop Frasco (which used to sell them).

>>10300372
Then the bodice should be equally simple and appealing. Its not the fit that makes this ugly, its that massive amount of layered lace

>>10300310
This looks like something my Malaysian granny would wear at home

>>10300458

That's just your taste, anon.

Found an article with photos of coordinates from the AP tea party.

>>10300693
I love top center.

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>>10300695
Oh my GOD this chick wore elf ears to a tea party? I can’t breathe, I’m going to die laughing

>>10300693
>>10300695
>>10300699
Gulls always claim that wigs aren't big in Japan but I'm seeing a fuckton of wigs in these pics?

>>10300703
AP's aesthetic goes well with wigs, plus it's a super OTT party so people want that huge hair look. It's not reflective of the average Japanese lolita (who still do wear wigs often with lolita, only perhaps less than 5-10 years ago)

>>10300702
I’m a little concerned about you if you think elf ears are somehow a weird cringey accessory.

>>10300702
the party was called Fairy Mirage, were elf ears really such an out-of-place accessory considering the theme?

>>10300703

It's AP's year end tea party. It's in winter (ie-you can layer a lot), and it's also one that AP usually books someplace expensive for, tickets usually cost as much as a main piece, not your usual $50 brand tea party at a con. So this is the one event that attendees usually go all out for, and generally go way overboard on OTT train.

So, not really representative of the whole fashion, since it's a highly specific event that draws a particular kind of crowd.

>>10300754
With the way everyone is shilling the free gifts they got (those pink bags are all over fril) they probably end up breaking even at the very least a lot of the time lol

>>10300760

Eh, it's not really a scalpable business, at least not one I'd recommend -- most years you just get a candle or tea set or other novelty item that maybe goes for $50~$100. Doesn't really cover the $200++ ticket price.

The only thing about this year is the event limiteds are $100~$200, so maybe you could target those and earn a commission scalping them. Previous tea parties you have access to $1k dresses, which might mean a bigger scalping/commission margin, but less girls want to buy them, so it's harder to sell any.

Anyway, if some chinese man in jeans wearing an AP salopette tried to get in, even if AP honored his ticket, they probably won't photograph him for the collages anon posted above. So again goes back to, this particular tea party attracts the OTT types in particular.

JetJ Dec 9 release
>https://twitter.com/J_et_J/status/1202890495363559424

>>10300742
Even with that theme, the ears definitely take the outfit into costume territory too much. They just don’t look good. Maybe at very most, if you absolutely have to have elf ears, even for an OTT outfit, go for those jewellery wire elf ear cuffs would look more subtle and generally better than prosthetic ears.

Meanwhile Girly Room Series

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>>10300798
fairies are oftentimes given pointy elf-like ears in illustrations, don't really think it's too weird someone wore a pair to a party where the theme is fairies

>>10300798
>>10300814
diff anon but I think it's kinda cute, just wish she'd made them match her skin tone. they look stark white in comparison to her face..it looks really bad.

>>10300301
Fuck you.

>>10300798
“I don’t care about neon colored wigs, scepters, or colorful eye learning contacts but i draw the line at a single pair of elf ears”

>>10300258
Like this, anon?

>>10300800
Who the fuck shooped Maki and Asuka into Voldemort

>>10300868
Very cool!!

>>10300699
I’m in love with the bottom center. I have this dress and when it showed up I was extremely disappointed in the quality and material. I love that they clearly bought 4 dresses and cut them up to make an OTT look. Totally worth it as it’s the only way to salvage the dress and make the the most out of an otherwise cute tartan print doomed to an ignominious fate!

>>10300914
Yeah, I love the Antique Crown print so I bought it but wearing it makes me feel like I’m wearing a garbage bag. I like what they did too.

>>10300914

Looks like an attempt at this dress that was at the AP museum last year.

Not gonna lie if they actually released this dress I'd be throwing money at AP trying to get it. Unfortunately it seems to be strictly a "show" dress.

>>10300963
It looks cool and an abomination at the same time. Like some parts are cool, and others are like, what the fuck are you doing?

>>10300693
For me it's 2 4 and 6, with 6 being the most elegant and 3 being the cutest, 2 is just ok, looks good.

For a while now, I've noticed that IW usually sells out of items in size L more quickly than size M.

Do you think that's because they produce less of size L overall so it sells out more quickly, or because that size is actually more in demand now? If so, is it because IW is more popular in the west than in Asia and the L sizing fits a lot of western girls better?

>>10300970

Yes. All of that is why I want it. It's even multiple tartan prints that didn't sell well, to add to how abominable it is.

>>10300975

Well, there's me. I technically fit into M size but there's a 50-50 chance of boobloaf, as in some dresses don't boobloaf me while other with the same stated measurements do. And the kicker is this: I don't even need L size. The Long size of the dresses will also fit me fine.

I don't know if it's just their standard M size has always been problematic for other girls as well. It's just really odd that simply going to Long size would solve fit issues (long is usually still M size, but it often has a slightly longer bodice in addition to longer (but narrower) skirt))

>>10300800
Are those Maki and Asuka and if so, why are they melting?

>>10300984
>It's even multiple tartan prints that didn't sell well, to add to how abominable it is.
top fucking kek, when it's so bad that it turns good

>>10300986
Oh, that's weird. Does the Long usually have a longer cut bodice, as well? I usually buy the short/M sizes, which is why I'm curious; I sort of suspected that it might be a fit issue related to who's mostly wearing IW now (which seems to be western girls).

Does this fit issue seem to happen regardless of whether the piece is shirred/has corset lacing or not?

>>10300994
Oh nevermind, you literally answered the first part, I'm blind.

It seems odd though that the bodice being longer would solve boobloaf which I imagine is more of a bust allowance issue/darts?

>>10300996

Nayrt but since larger breasts have more volume, making a bodice longer helps bring the waistline down to your actual waist rather than right below your boobs which helps things seem less squished into a smaller space.

I’m so sad for this dress. RIP

>>10300999

I've seen it relisted so many times and it's a shame they ruined such a cute print.

>>10300798
Nofunallowed.jpg
>>10300999
Oh no that poor dress ;_; they made brand look like a cheap replica...

>>10300293
>>10300294
>>10300310
Anon, these particular styles are more meant as housewear and especially for the older ladies who buy her stuff. Her website does have some more lolita pieces though, and her stuff always looks best when layered and styled. It's harder than styling an AP special set, sure, but it can still look lovely.

>>10301013
This set with cap and slippers is a bit reminiscent of the homewear sets Momoko wears in Kamikaze Girls. It's also basically the same cut as several Moitie dresses.

>>10301016
Physical Drop's pieces really do shine when they're used to layer.

>>10300975
I’m technically a size M but I need the extra bodice length on the size L. It’s frustrating.

>>10300963
Ooooff yeah I love this, I’d do what it took to make it mine if they sold it

>>10300999
What am I even looking at? This looks like a cheap mall dress that someone slapped a lolita print on.

>>10300994

If you're asking unshirred vs shirred, well, the unshirred stuff, as long as your boobs are under the measurements, don't have elastic pulling them back so they definitely boobloaf less. It's just the waist will also be pretty loose, essentially the whole dress is just loose without the elastic.

If you're asking shirred with corset lacing (usually quarter shirred) vs shirred without corset lacing (usually half shirred), I haven't noticed a lot of difference. It's more down to the individual dress at that point, some of them are just boobloafy and some aren't.

Can't really guess whether it's more western lolitas vs asian lolitas, I've always bought anything other than M size if I can help it. I do know the long skirts seem to be trending everywhere, not just the west, so maybe that part is just trends and not so much east vs west sizing.

>>10300999
Maybe someone could rescue it and turn it into a tote bag?

>>10300999

I'm exaggerating but the person who did this should be drawn and quartered

>>10300999
I don't really understand what they did to modify it. Did they use fabric from the skirt to make the bodice bigger? Is that why the skirt looks so much shorter and less voluminous?

I also don't understand why they would modify a babydoll cut dress like this. High waists are the worst choice for larger breast sizes generally, and expanding the chest panel usually doesn't help. You still end up with a circus tent or maternity effect because the dress gets pulled out so much by your tits.

Why not just make a fucking skirt if you love the print so much?

>>10301035

I've attempted modifying babydoll cut baby JSK before and it wasn't this bad but it is hard/impossible to do for a larger bust unless you have a whole other piece with the same fabric to add to it and essentially change the cut of the dress or really lengthen the bodice to allow it to sit closer to your natural waist. This person just obliterated anything good about this dress. And the listing says "the tags are still on" as if that makes it not destroyed lol.

They are selling a few brand dresses for only $50 though. That person looking for under $100 brand a few threads back might be able to find something now.

>>10300106
Look up christmas tree decorating ideas and then interpret them into a hat design. You'll find inspiration for materials and color themes this way that still read christmas but without being confined to seeing premade hats.

ex. vintage christmas decor
whimsical christmas decor
etc

>>10300975
They make less of L, about half of M stock

>>10301024
Unless the dress is already high waisted or you're a 6'+ amazon, you should be ok

>>10301059
It depends on different people’s body proportions. Even on non high waisted dresses, for me, with my torso length the longer bodices are absolutely necessary. Otherwise the waist hits on my rib cage, which is not comfy.

Hi.
What do you do with removable bows/ties/sleeves? I have realised i never take it off besides washing, and i wonder about other people. Do someone actually uses them as like brooch? E.g. taking ap bow and pinning it on btssb op or something like this?

I dont think its stupid questions thread related cause it's not something you can google

>>10301080
I do that, sometimes. For example, I'll use the neckties that come from one color blouse with another (such as a brown neckbow with an ivory blouse), same with the detachable bows and jabots on blouses, etc.

I haven't thought of interchanging detachable sleeves or waistties, but I wonder if that would work (given the different positioning of buttons/buttonholes), I think that's a neat idea, though. I think I've seen people use contrasting corset lacing in a JSK, too.

>>10301085
Well i believe ivory blouse + brown neckties AND waistties will look good

>>10301080
I've removed sleeves when I was wearing them. I remove bows to dress my coords down. I also wear them with other coords if I need more colors. I don't see anything wrong with it.

>>10300984
> Loyal Rosette
> British Bear
> Holiday Collection

didn't they tho?

>>10301035
>>10301036
From the shape of the dress, it doesn't really look like they were just trying to make it fit better.
It looks like this was done to wear it as a normie dress. The skirt has lost all ability to hold poof and they made the bust like.. extra long. This was definitely have like... what look like a skater dress but with a brand print on it.

>>10301173
I doubt that it was intentional. It ended up with a short skirt because they used the top of the skirt for the bodice, and the bodice looks extra long because bodices cut for larger breasts need to be elongated as well as widened so that they hit at the right place on the torso. The skirt looks less voluminous in proportion to the bodice because the bodice is now >100cm wide vs. a skirt with probably 200-250cm hem circumference. Anyone who’s ever sewn a lolita dress can tell you that if you increase the width of the bodice you also have to increase the skirt circumference to keep the correct silhouette. In this case they didn’t have the fabric to do that so they sacrificed silhouette for “fit”.

I wish people would just accept that sometimes, it’s not meant to be. This was never going to look good.

>>10301322
I find it hilarious that they mentioned the tags are still on as if that somehow adds to its value. Even if I was plus-size I wouldn’t buy this hot mess, her only chance of a sale is an ita.

>>10300999
>THE STARS SHINE BR

>>10301013
Some of her plain stuff like pic related are nothing special, just alright. The ratio seems to be shitty dresses>ok stuff.
>harder than styling an AP special set
What does this AP have to do with anything, their special sets are boring anyways.

>>10301325
The seller must realise it looks like shit if they never even took the tags off to wear it. Imagine spending money to murder a dress, finding out it doesn’t look any better on you afterwards and then having to sell it at a loss.

>>10300229
I have no boobs but that cut still makes me look pregnant and/or fat af

>>10301336
I laughed harder than I should have

>>10301105

Loyal Rosette did badly enough to go on sale. Holiday Collection did okay, but nowhere near British Bear-tier popularity

The bright yellow is not British Bear by the way, it's yellow Antique Crown, British Bear is crowns and emblems, not rosettes.

>>10301340
Going by those AP tea party pictures posted up thread, even AP’s main Japanese clientele look chunky or pregnant in those cuts.

>>10301363
>Loyal Rosette did badly enough to go on sale

Milkyfawn has mentioned that it was a bloodbath in her review. She even got the headbow because she didn't manage to get the beret.

> The bright yellow is not British Bear by the way, it's yellow Antique Crown, British Bear is crowns and emblems, not rosettes.

cmiiw, but these parts belong to BB

>>10301340
>>10301364
I'm convinced the only way high waisted cuts look good is if you're absolutely flat and waif-y (and tiny, since sack dresses and stuff tend to look really short). They're so universally unflattering I don't get why they keep releasing shit in this cut. Bring back normal waists already ffs

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>>10301390

I didn't say they weren't. I just noticed you left Antique Crown off your list. You realise I said multiple tartan prints that didn't do well, right? Not all of them?

Wish I'd realised Milkyfawn said that about Loyal Rosette, saw AP drop the price on them and decided I didn't want them. Would have bought them to scalp if I'd known.

But okay. It's a dress comprised of whatever your sperg wants to define it as.

>>10301468
I think you’re mixing up loyal rosette with another similarly named/themed print from AP, the price on that release definitely never dropped because everything sold out within hours.

>>10301478

Possibly. Never was fond of that print either.

>>10301390
>>10301478


All right, I have gift shopping on my mind, so I'm slow to realise exactly what it is you're actually taking issue with.

I've been into lolita since 2013 and lived through the releases of DDC, Celestial, og Holy Lantern, multiple strawberry prints.

"sells well" means all main pieces sold out within the hour.
"bloodbath" means under two minutes.

Bonus bloodbath point +1 : when girls take to cgl to complain that something dropped out of their cart and then everything is already sold out
Bonus bloodbath point + 1.5: when cgl has a thread dedicated solely to the release (and multiple anons posting in it)
Bonus bloodbath point +2: It's popular enough to get a re-release (not a special set)
Bonus bloodbath point +3: when the going rate for these prints are above retail for a secondhand dress

Celestial has the honour of being the only release where an MTO re-release happened and for who knows what reason the going price on the secondhand market was still $800 for what was originally a $300 dress. After a re-release. That was MTO. Now, that sold well.

If I see something still on AP's site an hour after it goes live it often gets filed under "didn't sell well". So yeah, we pretty much just have different ideas of what "sold well".

>>10301497
If you think something didn't "sell well" only because it's still on the site an hour after release, you're an idiot.

>>10301497
Why does it matter whether a release sells out in a minute, an hour or a day? It's all the same as far as the brand is concerned. This is such a weird distinction to make.

no secrets

>>10301687
Good

Am I being a dumb mobile user, or has the dream dress thread disappeared?

>>10300301
sorry about your blindness anon.

>>10301506

It's AP, if girls aren't waiting to pounce on it the minute it releases then the hype really isn't high enough. If you want another metric, though, even the AP shopgirls didn't recognise Holiday Collection when I walked into AP Osaka. They did recognise Elizabeth Unicorn though. One definitely sold better than the other and had way higher hype.

>>10301547

True, but I have trouble taking "bloodbath" seriously if the print is still there ready for you to buy when you're five minutes late to the party.

It's a bloodbath, anon, not a stroll in the park. Blood. You're supposed to run uphill in both directions and then cry bloody tears if you didn't get the dress.

Anything less than that just isn't bloody enough to deserve being called a bloodbath.

>>10301687
there will never be secrets again, it’s not 2010 anymore

>>10301497
>"I've been into lolita since 2013"
Do you get an honorary EGL doctorate once you've been in the fashion for 6 years or what?

>>10301805
I have a PhD in lolita

>>10301805
yeah and 6 years isn't even that long of a time, I've been into it longer than that and I wouldn't even be bragging about it

>>10301691
No, it was deleted for some reason? Maybe mod's dream item popped up and they didn't want anyone to link it kek

>>10301743
> It's a bloodbath, anon, not a stroll in the park. Blood. You're supposed to run uphill in both directions and then cry bloody tears if you didn't get the dress.

Good thing I happened to stay in fashion till MTO era. I see no romance in this shit.

>>10301805

It just explains all the actual bloodbaths I've sat through. Don't be sad, your mom can print a certificate of participation to show that you tried really, really hard.

>>10301847

Yeah I'd rather guarantee I get the dress and be forced to really think about if I like it and want it or not or if it's just hype. If I'm still excited for a dress knowing there will be no instant gratification and I'll have to wait 6+ months for it (like Honey Cake) then I feel better about my purchase. And with MTOs they last a little while rather than selling out immediately so you have time to think. They also come out in Japan a week or two ahead so you know and can plan for international release if you need to save up or something.

>>10301363
I mean Holiday Collection had a mto, surely that indicates demand.

>>10301449
Agreed! I think you need skinny arms and legs, and your options are being either completely skinny or a little bit apple shaped underneath. Anything like radish calves, not completely tiny shoulders and arms etc. and you're fucked. But I think a lot of Chinese girls want those cuts because that suits their same ideal body shape.

>>10302378
this is true, I often see the sack dresses on chinese lolitas. whenever i see them on western lolitas we either have too much boob or shoulder, so it looks really off. which sucks massively, because a lot of cute prints are unfortunately made into the sack/high waisted dress style.

>>10300999
link so I can save this poor fabric?

>>10301800
they seem to still be going? Every few weeks I see (probably the same anon) someone announcing secrets/no secrets. Anyone who still participates, where are they? is BTB still..a thing?

>>10302511
It sold

>>10302520

Wow I feel bad for the person who bought it.

Also did anyone see that $50 BABY classical floral JSK that was blueish listed on LM? I feel like that's suspiciously cheap for brand when it looks to be in good condition.

>>10302535
It's just before Christmas which means everyone is broke and it's harder to sell things. They might need the money badly

Just corious, dont want to offend anyone!
Is Ap considered "Fast Fashion" of Lolita nowadays?
Considering the weekly releases and lowered quality?

>>10302535
$50 is normal for unpopular old solids. Why are there so many newfriends

>>10302549
No, the "weekly releases" now are actually dresses they have shown as early as September at the fashion show and they only started to release them one by one not too long ago. They still haven't released everything yet. It only looks like they churn out a lot in little time because of the way they choose to handle their timing.

can someone recall what was AP's release timing in Sugary Carnival era?

>>10302549
The quality is not lowered, that’s a meme the same people who call AP taobao spout

>>10302560
It's not a meme. Just compare any two of their dresses from now and 10 years ago.

Thin cheap lace, lack of sewing details, plain-cut ribbons, thin polyester, cheaper construction, etc etc

I just love when sellers on LM put 'please message me with any questions!' and then proceed to never answer a message so I miss out on an item I had legitimate questions about. It's my *favorite*

>>10302565
The pieces I have from this year and the pieces I own from 2010 show no marked difference, other than the lack of a built in petticoat, which AP has said is because Japanese lolitas prefer without so they can have more storage space. I’m not saying every single piece will be flawless, I know some items will have flaws, but AP having bad quality is a shitpost buzzterm. In my ten years of being a lolita the only label who i would say has shit quality is AATP.

>>10302570
Ap has opted for shittier fabrics, cheper materials, bad construction, more ill fitting cuts, worse (yet larger) stock photos, overall the dresses are just so much worse than they used to be. I've recently decided to sell almost all of my new AP dresses because the quality just doesn't match what it used to be. I'm not even memeing, I've received better items from taobao lately.

>>10302593
>I'm not even memeing, I've received better items from taobao lately

Sure Jan. You’re not memeing despite filling your post with buzzword garbage.

>>10302598
"Buzzword" is a bigger buzzword than any of the language they used.

>>10302600
>no u

A classic, but wholly ineffective

>>10302602
It is though.
Is "construction" a buzzword to you?
Materials?
Fabrics?
Quality?
Those are all useful english words that make perfect sense when talking about the traits of a garment. "Buzzword" is a trendy meme word.

>>10302603
Nayrt but I would consider talking about APs quality the way anon did a buzzword, especially next to calling it worse than taobao.

>>10302603
Way to cherrypick the post and ignore the hurrdurr APtaobao meme

>>10302603
quality has been a buzzword on /cgl/ since at least 2016

>>10302598
What the fuck is viyella? That shit is the worst fabric ever and almost all new dresses are being made with it

>>10302610
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viyella

>>10302570
While I don't buy a whole lot of AP, the more recent AP pieces I've purchased have all had wonky ribbons with very poor sewing, weird material choices, and faded printings (probably because of the material chosen) that result in prints not standing out very well. Plus they've all been made in China or Myanmar, for anyone who cares about that.

>>10302623
This is a mixture of the universe punishing you and design choices you don’t like

>>10302629
Possibly. I can't really say whether I'm just getting flawed dresses as a fluke or if AP's general quality assurance has gone in the toilet. Either way, it's definitely made me stop buying from AP and made me move to supporting Baby and Meta.

>>10302632
Baby’s quality is worse than AP sis wyd

>>10302641
I've never found Baby's dresses to be lacking in quality? AatP for sure is a hit and miss trashfire but I've just never had issues with Baby.

>>10302650
All of my stuff from Baby has been lackluster, as far back as releases for prints like twinkle constellation. The only thing they have quality wise going for them is their bags hold up better than AP

>>10302651
Baby's fabric is usually nice imo, the only issue is they rarely line their dresses

>>10302689
Their buttons fall off easily for me, unlined fabric, wonky bows, loose threads everywhere, fucked up zippers. I actually vastly prefer APs chiffon. At least those prints don’t run like a ridiculous number of Baby’s prints

>>10302689

Unless you mean bidice lining idk what you are talking about. Every BABY dress I have owned is lined and I've owned dozens over the years.

>>10302780
Yeah, agreed. They don’t always line their bodices but if it’s a JSK you should have a blouse on anyway, and I’ve never had a Baby dress with an unlined skirt.

>>10302803
They never line waist ties either based on all I’ve owned from them throughout the years. Which is disappointing because it looks and feels cheap.

>>10302806
I have Baby dresses from the early 2000s with lined waist ties, but they do seem to have stopped doing that in the last decade at least. I don’t really mind because if you tie waist ties properly you shouldn’t see the inner side anyway.

>>10302822
People nitpick smaller details than that about APs quality. If AP stopped lining waist ties everyone would lose their fucking minds.

>>10302806

For me having less polyester touching my body and the nice cotton makes my BABY dresses feel way nicer and more expensive than AP. I was a hardcore APfag until I got a cheap BABY dress just cause the print was cute and I've since realized how much I prefer them to AP. AP isn't bad but BABY feels like nice quality in a wearable way for me personally. Their style and materials feel more like real clothes to me whereas so much AP I have owned is nice but something about the way it all comes together just doesn't sit right with me. I also prefer unlined waist ties because satiny polyester lined waist ties always skip around and come untied for me compared to plain ones. Every brand dress I've owned from both brands have has buttons that even when new feel weirdly loosely stitched on. Maybe because they're usually shank buttons they feel a bit more loose or something. I The only Meta I own is old school and their butrons seem to be sturdier in comparison to new stuff from either brand. Everyone has their own preferences though and people have different notions of what feels better quality or just feels better to wear.

>>10302826
Baby still makes a lot of cotton dresses though, which holds its shape fairly well unlined. If AP’s recent polyester waist ties were unlined they’d droop completely, so it’s not quite an even comparison.

>>10302829
Brands hardly ever sew on buttons tightly, my guess is loose buttons are less likely to tear off on bigger people.

>>10302833
Delusional babyfags at it again defending their favorite brand cutting corners just as much as AP. AP lined their cotton waist ties. Why can’t baby?

>>10302837

Because they're too busy making decent wearable nice quality items and not catering to the nouveau riche Chinese as a money grab.

People shit on AP because we know they can do better and their quality has gone down from what it was. BABY has maintained good quality the whole time even if you dislike certain details on some pieces (as people mentioned some of the complaints about BABY dresses are different between different items mb or negligible if you're wearing your items properly anyway).

>>10302846
Baby’s quality has also gone down and you’re delusional if you sincerely think that it hasn’t.

>>10302837
AP waist tie lining snags and is too shiny. Looks just as bad as unlined

>>10302860
Not as much as AP.

RIP Lolita Humor

>>10302846
You think BABY isn't pandering to the Chinese?? Where have you been the past 5 years?

All of this quality discussion makes me feel worried about upcoming HC. Should’ve I stayed strong and look at second hand for original release?

>>10302899
We already know it’s polyester and not cotton, but it remains to be seen if it’s good polyester or not.

>>10302902
I don’t think it’s gonna be much different from what they usually use these days.

>>10302886
Nothing of value was lost.

>>10302896
>>10302846

I actually think AP's swing to polyester might be catering to chinese/Japanese lolitas who want it, not just cost-cutting. It's not like AP stopped making cotton dresses, but even though Sweet Lacy Basket sold really well I feel like Princess Cat didn't sell as fast and doesn't seem as popular as it should be, even though it's a magic combination of cat print and actually thick, decent cotton. For all of cgl's moaning, you'd think the western lolitas would be swimming in Princess Cats to at least tokenly show AP that there is a profitable market that would snap up cotton prints.

I mean, let's face it, cgl can gripe about quality as much as they want, but if a customer asks you for everything in the shop with extra special on top and then asks you for a discount and only buys 1 out of every ten dress you make, would you bend over backwards to cater to them? Or cater to the chinese girls requesting polyester, but they're willing to actually throw money at you and buy every single release?

>>10302559
One print release a month at most. If I include appliqué dresses, AP released only 13 print/applique OPs in 2009.

>>10302833
>loose buttons are less likely to tear off on bigger people.
I'm so sick of this stereotype. Every dress I've gotten from a brand, whether it was AP or baby, always came with an additional button with the inside skirt tag. Its meant to replace a button because regular buttoning will cause a button to endure wear. Has nothing to do with the person wearing the garment other than they are wearing the item and using the buttons on it.

>>10302926
That's true, but more stress on the buttons (look at all the hamplanets stuffing themselves in clothing too small) doesn't help any. It's a stereotype for a reason.

>>10302930
Sew your buttons tight af and you'll figure out why they are given a hank by better brands like Baby and IW. You can barely even button a button when the garment it laid flat if there's no slack, and it will pull the fabric

t. Resewed buttons too tight after they fell off from age and had to figure out how to make a hank

>>10302886
Why was it archived?

>>10302947

A lot of brand buttons are shank buttons so it's nearly impossible to sew them flat to a garment. (Waist tie buttons Inhave had have always been shank buttons). Even if you use flat buttons you're supposed to create your own small shank by wrapping thread around the base once it is attached. At least that's what I learned in home ec.

>>10302947
Why are you acting like the only two options are buttons sewn too tight to the garment and buttons sewn on so badly that they easily fall off? Buttons when sewn on properly don’t fall off AND are easy to use. When people complain about loose buttons they’re not complaining about the distance between the button and the fabric but about the fact they’re sewn shoddily.

>>10302930
Yea but you know as well as I do that gulls love to focus on stupid fat hate cause it gets replies. For all I know you could be one of those dumb anons yourself. You sure are pushing for it.

My buttons usually wear out from me unbuttoning to put things in the wash. But it usually takes quite some time for this to happen. Thankfully I have a ton of matching buttons I can just sew back on.

VM - Christmas Bouquet JSK (クリスマスブーケジャンパースカート)
Colours:
>Black
>Ivory
>Bordeaux

Price: 31,900 yen (tax incl.)
Special price: 28,710 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 100 cm
Bust: 84.5 cm
Waist: 71.5 cm

Outer material: 100% cotton
Lining: 100% polyester

Special price period: 10th Dec 2019, 18:00 JST to 25th Dec 2019, 23:59 JST

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/194MOP18.html
Note: Somewhat high waisted.
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Pearl Lace Gloves (パールレース手袋) (all sold out)
Colours:
>Charcoal grey
>Ivory
>Deep Bordeaux

Price: 4,400 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 23 cm
Wrist circumference: 18 cm

Outer material: angora, nylon, wool, imitation pearl

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/194VMG01.html
Note: Avoid tumble drying
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Velor Gloves (ベロア手袋) (black sold out)
Colours:
>Black
>Navy
>Bordeaux

Price: 3,300 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 22.8 cm
Wrist circumference: 18 cm

Outer material: nylon, triacetate

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/TVMG19.html
Note: Avoid tumble drying

>>10303048
>Bust: 84.5 cm
rip in pepperoni

>>10303061
Saaaaaame

What's the deal with lots of overpriced jewlery on jp secondhand market? People sell those because AP is back on making accessories?

>>10303095
Its hard to find specific jewelry secondhand, APs jewelry is selling out super fast lately too.

>>10303100
Nah, I meen second hand market has always been short on those. You could see a few pieces every now and then, but now there's really a lot on sale. It looks like a few scalpers gave up on their hoardings.

>>10303095
It's been like that for years though, also on the western market. It started when Jola sold her AP plastic halloween themed jewelry on the LJ sales comm, those went for crazy prices and ever since the market value has been high af. Looks like the Japanese sellers are catching up.

>>10303135
Nayrt but it was pretty low for a while in both markets (higher in the west though) it's a recent thing

>>10303095
I've noticed it the past few weeks, absolute stacks of uncommon jewelry (and some rarer stuff) being put up for over 10,000 yen in some cases and a fair bit has been selling as well.

>>10302899
Yes. All of us who got the new one are fucked.

>>10303180
I don’t mind older jewelry being sold for high prices, if the demand is there I get it. It’s annoying when sellers snap up the new jewelry though only to scalp it, like the Dream Bear and Fancy Noel jewelry.

>>10303048
Why are the damn gloves sold out already?

>>10303196
Don’t forget all the fancy crepes

I don't know if it's the right thread to ask this question. What would you say is the biggest trend in lolita accessories right now?

I wasn't paying too close attention to lolita for more or less two years. Back when I was more active rosettes and sea themed accessories were very in. Would they look weird now ?

>>10303457
Pretty much everything in lolita is timeless as long as it fits with your coord

>>10303459
I know, but there are still things that make you think 'oh, this is so <insert year>', like flower crowns.

So i was wondering if there are recent fads similar to these.

>>10303460
That one Antique Beast headdress.

>>10303476
Nah, I feel like that one is pretty timeless, but associated with a specific season.
I would say flower crowns, split wigs, giant underskirts, and those star clips are the big ones in my mind

Here's my impression of a lolita: *spends $100* *spends $100* *spends $200* *spends $100* *spends $100**spends $100*

>>10303513
Where did you see that kind of price range?

>>10303515
They’ve probably been collecting that overpriced jewelry from fril

>>10303513
Frugal and only buying secondhand? Or are you just salty at someone spending money on a hobby you dont appreciate

>>10303457
Big angelic headpieces, like the voodooodolly or apatico ones

>>10303493
How about peignoirs?

What's an appropriate time to wait to contact a seller if they don't send you any messages after you bought something?
I won two dresses on Lacemarket on Sunday evening and neither of the sellers messaged me yet. It makes me kind of nervous but I don't want to come across as rude or impatient by messaging them myself too soon.

>>10303595
Just message them? Why are you being so weird about it?

On the note of Lacemarket messages though I’m fucking sick of people leaving me on read. If I’m buying from you or you’re buying from me, don’t expect good feedback if you do that. Do some people not know that you can tell?

I remember someone here asking about people who own both Japanese and Chinese dresses and just saw this video of a Brazilian Lolita with a wardrobe that has both AP, IW, BTSSB along with Chinese brands.

https://youtu.be/J_uIkUrSwyc?t=394

>>10303595
That's a bit long, desu I think it's the sellers responsibility to contact you and not the other way around. But yeah, send them a message. That is definitely not rude so don't worry about it.

>>10303457
I still feel like rosettes and sea theme accessories are still pretty popular. There's new sea prints and re-releases yearly and rosettes are just a nice, timeless accessory along the line of brooch type pins. Brands release them pretty often they're pretty sought-after from some indie brands. I make shell accessories and they remain best sellers for me.

Sashes I feel aren't quite as common as they once were though, but probably because the fashion in general is globally trending toward general we arability and less OTT, even though large tea parties (ala, China) are pretty popular.

I feel like in the last two years, the metal round glasses were really popular, and they just sort of died down.

I've been slightly out of the loop lately, but I feel like at least in the early to mid 2010's, there was a big cultural divide between western community trends and eastern. So we were really known for being ultra-creative because we had to be. Now it's just super-easy to grab tons of accessories and extras, so I don't feel like trends are quite as influential as the era of flower and Madonna crowns.

I'd probably wager that the chiffon crop blouses and possibly the kinds with the flowy sleeves are a trend. We'll probably see a shift in those, but I like them because there's so many color and style options and they're cheap.

>>10303457
Er, where are you that you don’t know how popular sea themes and rosettes still are? AP releases marine prints every year, this year it was Sleeping Deep Sea Stars and there was the Dream Marine MTO. The Guardian Unicorn collection included rosette brooches. Just because the market isn’t being flooded with a thing doesn’t mean that thing is unpopular.

>>10303521
They are saying it's just about spending money and you kind of prove their point

>>10303652
Nayrt but if you want to look at it that way almost all hobbies are "about spending money" though. That's a really shitty attitude and y'all do sound bitter about something

>>10303658
nta but no, most hobbies aren't about spending money. lolita specifically is about conspicuous consumption. you *want* people to know you've spent money on things you show off in public.

>>10303675
That’s not how I look at it or experience wearing lolita at all, but good to know you’re a flashy cunt.

>>10303048
WHY WOULD YOU MAKE THE BUST SO SMALL IF THE WAIST IS SO BIG!?!?
>cries in bust 90 and waist 64

>>10303652
>>10303675
Dont know about other people, but for me:
sharing pictures
going out with friends
matching my pieces and making new combinations
Taking photos
Admiring people for their style
Sewing my own pieces
Modding my pieces
Talking about it
reading magazines
providing translations
Providing reviews
discussing trends and changes in the fashion
Sewing for my dolls
Watching videos
Concriticizing people who want to get better
Sharing love for the aesthetic
feeling good about myself
taking care of myself
going to fancy places with matching dresses
going to conventions and tea party
and so on.

Personally, I've only bought one piece this year, and this doesn't make me less a Lolita enthusiastic for that.

Did the feels thread get nuked again? Is every feels thread gonna get ruined by scrotes and then deleted?

>>10303675
>you *want* people to know you've spent money on things you show off in public
I wear it around the house when I'm alone, and I don't post photos of it. Checkmate, retard. I think you've been looking at social media a bit too much and think it represents real life.

>>10303675
>lolita specifically is about conspicuous consumption

what's wrong with that?

>>10303675
Yup I was right you are bitter lmao

>>10303675
>you *want* people to know you've spent money on things you show off in public.

hell no, I'd rather they think I made it all myself. That's way cooler.

Le Cadre du Chat/Le Cadre du Lapin prints are up for reservation along with some other JetJ prints

https://ameblo.jp/atelierpierrot-shinjuku/entry-12555913573.html

>>10303715
I usually don't like JetJ, but I have a super soft spot for anything with cats, and this print is a classic. Can't decide if want.

>>10303685
looks like it went pretty off topic towards the end of the thread, not surprising.

>>10303723
Same. Colors and overall aesthetic are so satisfying (low key considering blue, but black sounds like safer option). Although it bothers me that some cats look way too agresive. It's not like badass-but-yet-cute AP cats. Look at them, blue bow cat is charming, but the rest looks like some real feral felines.

>>10303690
you wear it around the house and not in public? what lol

>>10303715
Why is everything Size 2, though?
And quite happy to see ローブ ドゥ クロワ サン マンシェ again, I almost bought it off LM this week.

>>10303729
Believe it or not daily lolitas exist. And she didn’t say she doesn’t wear it out.

>>10303715
can someone help to translate the text in the left column?

>>10303737
Do you not know how to google

>>10303734
>Believe it or not daily lolitas exist.
If only you knew me. besides, that has nothing to do with anything. she just said she wears it in the house which doesn't really prove anything. You people really can't hold a feasible point, it just turns into mouth frothing over dumb shit.

>>10303741
You’re the one frothing over the concept of people wearing lolita for themselves because they enjoy it and not to flex on a bunch of randos

>>10303737
The second one from the top is bust. That's the only one I memorized bc it's the only annoying measurement for me.

>>10303737
You can just click the English version of the website.

>>10303744
sure, anon

>>10303180
>absolute stacks of uncommon jewelry
makes me wonder if some girls in japan are growing out of lolita and will finally give up all their old rare dresses finally.

>>10303643
>metal round glasses were really popular, and they just sort of died down.
I wish they had died down where I live but so many girls in my comm love this look and I absolutely hate it.

>>10303680
>Concriticizing
I can just imagine the bullshit you manage to come up with for this

>>10303652
what about all those dresses I got for free as gifts then? I didn't spend any money to get that stuff. And I was still fulfilling my hobby.

>>10303768
What are you waiting to come up? There are two AP prints I'm dying to find in my preferred cut/ color that never come up. Not saying which because I don't want more people looking for them

>>10303776
>Not saying which because I don't want more people looking for them
then why would I say what I'm looking for??

>>10303772
hmmm salty yet

>>10303675
Uh, no, not really. The average person, at least in western society, has no idea how much lolita costs, so your argument makes no sense.

>>10303779
wow so creative.

>>10303772
>doesn't know what concrit is
Found the poorfag roleplayer. We can stop answering now.

>>10300660
No, it's pretty fucking awful.

>>10303786
I know "concrit" is a phrase that is often used here and places like CoF but anon bastardized it into "concriticizing" - you missed the point of my original comment. I was implying that anon just makes shit up so they can shit talk. And of course predictable gulls came to that anon's defense. Your hobby is all about shitting on others. Hence the seagull nickname you garnered for yourselves.

>>10303790
Concrit is just a shortened version of concriticizing you absolute fucking sperg

>>10303675
Speak for yourself, I *want* people to know I'm now confident enough to express my feminine side after being a tomboy for so long, that opinions of strangers mean shit all to me, and I'm sick of being treated like a piece of meat.
Whether I achieve that with $30 Bodyline, $300 brand or handmade is completely irrelevant and depends solely on what I think looks cute. If you're treating it as a frilly pissing contest for the most brand you're doing it wrong.

>>10303797
Ugh, no it isn't you fucking dunce. con-crit is short for CONstructive CRIticism, I have never seen anyone in either lolita, art communities or anywhere else call it 'concriticizing'. I suppose you think concrit is an excuse to nickpick and shit on people too, you're what's wrong with this board honestly.

>>10303797
Retard

>>10303790
You probably never wore a coord and asked for critique. Bet you're one of those crying about the COF thread having to die whilst being posted at the Ita thread

>>10303797
>concriticizing
what the even fuck are you... what???
As someone who's been in the digital art community for 15 years... no. Just no

>>10303797
This can't be fucking real.

>>10303813
>you probably never wore a coord and asked for critique
how the fuck would you know anon? Let's be real. You're just mad you got called out fucking HARD for thinking "concriticizing" is a word.
You're really fucking bad at trolling. Please stop while you're ahead. Some of us here actually know what we're talking about when it comes to the fashion.

For those interested, Antique Beast has started shipping out orders from the last batch.

And buyee os offering free Intl. Shipping up to midnight.

>>10303884
And anon, stop derailling the thread. This discussion is futile and you're falling hard for their bait.

>>10303884
>>10303847
>>10303799
>>10303811
Wow all this samefagging

>>10303903

im ready to get one of these bad boys

>>10303625
Don’t most lolitas at this point have a mix of Japanese and Taobao dresses?

>>10303917
Don’t stare at retarded people, honey, they can’t help it.

Has anyone found selling on LM harder than before? I listed several dresses with starting bid and BIN prices below what they're worth a few days ago and haven't gotten any bites at all.

>>10303979
Kek'd

>>10303981
It's just before Christmas, people are spending all their money on gifts and stuff. December is always a slow month in my experience.

Does AP USA let people try on dresses? I got a dress on sale and it showed up with the shirring very loose, you can tighten it with corset lacing but the shirring definitely isn't nice and tight like I expect. I haven't bought from AP at all in a couple years so idk maybe AP is just shitty in general

>>10303986
AP USA abides by the same all sales are final sales rule that Japanese AP stores follow, but if it's a legitimate defect, you should contact them anyways. AP's quality has gone down (to say the least) over the years though.

>>10303988
Thanks! I genuinely can't tell since it isn't completely dead like when you get damaged shirring secondhand so I think I'll just let it go and be cautious buying from AP USA in the future.

>>10303986
Yeah I’ve been there and they let you try them on, the same ones that are for sale online

>>10303967
Not in my comm. they’re all either brand whores or taobao-chans
Except of course everyone’s got taobao blouses and shoes these days

>>10303947
Wow those are adorable. I'm supposed to be buying for other people, not myself.

>>10304053
That's disappointing but makes sense, probably not enough volume of sales to have separate stock for try on and purchase

>>10303984
And what money they do have for lolita is often going towards lucky packs or saving up for brand store sales. I usually wait until January in the hopes that some buyers will have Christmas cash they want to spend, but even that can be slow because of people getting their holiday credit card bills.

>>10304055
I used to own some taobao, but god isit awful quality. The shoes can be excused because brand quality is hardly any better but there's really 0 reason not to get brand blouses. They're often cheap secondhand and they're so much more pleasant to wear.

>>10303947
Shit these would be so cute with Sugar Dream Dome

>>10304134
nice eye, these definetly will be!

>>10304055
In my comm even the brandwhores (myself included) usually own at least one Taobao piece, usually Dear Celine or Krad Lanrete, and the Taobao-chans generally manage to scrounge up enough for at least one second hand brand piece from LM or a local swap meet. The only person I can think of in my comm who doesn’t own any Taobao main pieces is a super dedicated old schooler.

>>10304082
Same here actually. I kept some simpler main pieces from Dear Celine because they’re pretty nice for the price but sold every blouse I ever got from any Taobao brand because they were all so plasticky with cheap looking detailing.

>>10303967
Nah, not really.

Most girls I know irl has almost entirely brand main pieces. There's a couple girls in my comm that wear entirely taobao or western indie brands, because they're too fat for brand.

But I don't know anyone who really owns a mix. The quality difference is often so stark irl that I think girls who have seen it are turned off buying taobao. Our comms fattychans in general have the "nicer" quality of taobao brands, but even then.... One of them chopped up a Krad Lanrete dress she got at release to make accessories out of, because in person it looked like it was printed on cheap halloween costume material.

>>10304142
The colors are so dreamy but I'm so sick of high waisted prints. At last release a skirt version if you're going to only sell sack dresses!

This is so petty, but I always get annoyed when I win an auction and it takes a day or more for the seller to get back to me.

BITCH TAKE MY MONEY!

>>10304234
Stop it, no. You can never tell if they have some respectable reason for that.

>>10304234
I feel for you but it is unreasonable to be upset if they don’t respond right away. Sometimes my auctions end late at night when I’m out, asleep, or otherwise not actively checking my email. People who take days and days to respond are annoying though.

>>10304142
Too bad shiny ribbons around the waist remind me of something I would have worn for a middle school music program.

>>10304236
>>10304237
nta but they did say:
>This is so petty

>>10304236
>>10304237
ayrt

I know, like I said it's petty. I'd never leave bad feedback or anything over it. I just get impatient, waiting for the auction to end then waiting for shipping. Having to wait for the seller is just icing on the cake.

>>10304232
Sorry about your giant boobs, but some of us like high waisted dresses.

>>10304248
I usually get back to buyer within a day, that said this is finals week for a lot of people so it’s possible that’s what’s causing the delay.

>>10304248
This just sounds like you’re new to lolita and therefore impatient to get stuff in. God help you if you ever use a SS

>>10304249
Nayrt Fair enough, but there are zero natural-waisted dresses. Only high waisted dresses. Even the ones that in comparison might seem like a normal waist are not really, they’re only marginally better because they hit 2 inches below my tits instead of actually directly below my tits. But I get that everybody has a different body, it would just be nice to see more of a variation in the cuts they offer, like they used to

>>10304290

I miss when brands released more full shirring JSKs and OPs. It allowed for more flexible sizing and the texture then bunched fabric adds to the bodice is often quite cute. Shoulders especially make stuff hard when other measurements are normal and shirring allows the shoulder area to stretch as well.

do a lot of lolitas purchase their dresses with debt?

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