/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Will bustiers make a comeback in 2020?

>>10295254
I'd say with the increasing popularity of corsets, it wouldn't be that surprising. I'm all for it.

Anyone else notice their view count is broken on Lacemarket?

I posted a few items for sale, and I've gotten lots of favorites, but 0 views on all of them. I've gotten messages about some of them as well so I find it hard to believe people haven't even opened the listing.

>>10295317
yeah I'm having the same issue

I was really confused as to how one of my listings got 10 favourites but no views lol

>>10295317
Same. I just relisted a bunch of stuff with very generous discount and I got really worried about the 0 views on everything.

I was hoping someone might have some advice: my shopping service contacted me recently to ask if I knew anyone from Belgium/the Belgian Lolita community. She has a customer from Belgium that has refused to pay their invoice and is not responding to emails.

She was hoping that someone in the Belgian community, like a mod, might know an alternative way of contacting her customer. I found a closed Belgian community group on Facebook, but I’m an Australian who doesn’t speak any Dutch, so I figured I’d ask here in case anyone had any advice/leads before just messaging a mod myself.

If you think you might be able to help, please email me and I’ll get back to you with more details.

>>10295254
I'm ready, take my money

>>10295382
How long has it been? Try the LM mods first. If it's been a couple weeks just leave negative feedback and relist it.

>>10295382
if they don't pay the ss can just cancel their order/forget it and move on?

afaik Belgium doesn't really have an active community. I know some names/handles of Belgian lolitas but really I don't see why a ss would even go through the trouble of reaching out to others to help 'investigate' this.

>>10295405
If they didnt pay the SS upfront then the SS is out the cost

>>10295406
Sorry but then the ss is foolish as hell to purchase something for a customer without getting any payment first

idk any ss that doesn't make you pay at least a deposit up front cause that's just plain common sense?

>>10295408
I know Tenshi does. And sometimes SS will reserve items before invoicing, like in lotteries or ticketed events

Can we make a new FB group for posting cords? I’m so sick of CoF.

>>10295422
Good lolitas only?

>>10295422
Make one and invite people

>>10295422
Facebook sucks. Is there literally anything else we can move to? How's that Wikipedia founder's social media website?

>>10295473
I'm hoping it's good. I'm waiting in the queue for an account.

>>10295413
I don't think she does for everyone, just people who buy frequently or who have a lot of good feedback already.

>>10295473

IG has already taken over

Lacemarket has announced that there won’t be a Black Friday event this year.

>>10295561
ig is garbage

>>10295561
IG doesn't have community options nor events. It's just a disorganized feed of personal accounts.

>>10295566
the group and Event option are the only reason my comm still uses facebook.

Reminder that this exists:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hide-lacemarket-scalpers/lalhiinaooiafghicjkcchkieadhcfbp/related

>>10295329
Relisted item's view count becomes nulled with each relist

>>10295657
I know, but they're still at zero after 2 days which is a bit weird considering the last time my listings were up everything got 100-200 views.

>>10295251
I cannot wait for this release! Its the first thing I have been interested in buying from MMM for a while. Refreshing wunderwelt every half hour!

>>10295755
They would tell you the time it is released on WW officially so don’t bother stressing. It’s in baroque has it now though

Is Lacemarket not working for you guys? I was wondering if it’s just me but I’ve never seen this error before.

>>10295657
They weren't relisted. They were new.

>>10295825

they may have clicked the heart to favorite on the main page without opening the listing

>>10295817

i'm having issues too. Any time i click on a listing whether it is my own or another person's I get an error message

>>10295817
The search function isn't working for me.

>>10295971

I missed out on buying a bag I really wanted because of the error. Kind of sad.

>>10295817
same here

kind of peeved negl. they're not even doing the usual Black Friday this year yet there's still suddenly errors everywhere??

>>10295990

The only thing that makes me a little happy is that the price on a rare item I'm bidding on isn't being driven up because of the issues keeping anyone from bidding and I'm the highest bidder...that's quite shitty of me I know but it is a dream item...

Is anyone relisting their items on other platforms during the LM issues? I wonder which app/site is most popular after Fb and LM.

>>10296021

If your items have any bids or anything on them and are close to ending you may want to wait in case they fix it so no one ends up buying it on both platforms. I cqn imagine a scenario where an upset lm buyer won the bidding on an item that ends up being sold on fb or something during the lm problems and leaves bad feedback.

>>10296021
I see lolitas selling on depop, storeenvy and ebay

>>10296023
if they won it for a low price only because other people weren't able to bid like >>10295992 is saying, then I wouldn't consider their win valid anyway

>>10296026

Do people usually list the starting bids lower than what they're actually willing to accept? That seems risky unless you know it is a popular or desirable item.

>>10296028
It's still not a fair situation if it turns out the item was popular enough to get above the minimum but feel short due to errors

>>10295405

Honestly, I was a bit surprised that she asked me for help as well, hence me asking random anons for advice.
She’s already purchased the items for the customer, and stores in Japan don’t accept change of mind returns, so if the customer doesn’t pay her invoice she’ll be stuck with the items and in the red.

>>10295408
>>10295413
>>10295559

She’s a solo SS, Similar to Tenshi, and generally only offers the purchase with no deposit option to long term, trusted customers when there’s a time factor involved - like if your dream dress is on mercari or BIN on Mbok.
You also pay a premium for the convenience of paying just once at the end, rather than split.

>>10296029

I lost an auction today because of LM screwing up before I could click BIN on a listing; when it finally worked the item had been bought and it was less than one or two minutes. But I'm not entitled to the item in the end, right? In that same way, it's kind of all unfair but being fair or not doesn't change the reality of the price an item was won for.

Even when the system functions bids are strategic and people wait until the end to snipe items for the lowest price. And in my case today I got screwed over by the errors but no way is the seller gonna give me the item I wanted and not just sell it to the buyer who won (I wish, I so wanted that item). It isn't fair but I can't try to nullify someone else's transaction because of technical errors.

But I can imagine being the winner and the seller decided to just sell the item somewhere else without notifying. Some people might get really annoyed by that and you never want someone angry leaving bad feedback or whatever.

>>10296044
I would not consider it won if a large portion of the userbase can't bid all of a sudden. I understand if a single person was having technical issues it's that person's problem, but if the site is essentially down then they only won due to a malfunction. I would relist it, and they can bid the same amount again.

>>10296045

It seems like there is more concern for the seller making as much profit a possible than honoring the commitment to sell the item to the winning buyer. If a buyer has to be locked into their price when bidding (forgoing other items or money that could be spent elsewhere) it's almost disrespectful to the winner for the seller to not hold up their end of the deal. That would be like selling on LM when there aren't any issues but then deciding the bidding wasn't high enough and relisting because you think it could go for more. Either way the motivation seems to really just be profit and not fairness as someone claimed. Which is fine and all but pretending that it's about being fair is unrealistic.

>>10296047
it is fair for the seller to make the profit they would if the usual userbase could actually use the site. somehow you think making a profit isn't fair?

>>10296051

Making profit isn't unfair. But the seller would still not nevesarily get that higher amount they want unless they set the price higher upon relisting; if people decided to stalk the item page and wait until one minute before it ends to buy it for the lowest possible bid the seller still has the same financial outcome.

My point is just that it's silly to pretend the argument is "the buyer didn't actually win cause others didn't bid yet that's unfair" is the real motive when the motivation is clearly "I wanted the buyers to have a bidding war to drive up the price and LM malfunctioning prevented that". It's a valid way to feel as a seller and not bad or wrong but no need to act like they care about buyers having a fair chance when the real incentive to relist is hoping more buyers will end up racking the item price up higher. Technically buyers who didn't see a listing before it sold even when LM works had a disadvantage and no chance to bid but sellers don't just blow off a winner and then relist because someone messages them saying "I didn't see your item before it sold can I have a chance to buy it too?".

Sellers can do whatever but no one needs to lie to themselves and pretend in the bidding scenario described that the buyers all having a fair shot to bid was really the concern; it was clearly the seller's desire for a higher final price which is okay but if they weren't willing to accept the starting bid they gave their own items then they shouldn't have taken that risk.

>>10296061
stop trying to normalize bullshit attitude, that aint kawai

I'm pretty sure the issue is on circlly as the pkatform but I've been so dissatisfied with LM lately. People have been complaining about issues for years but they do absolutely nothing. But hey, at least they can put some more useless ads on the website.

>>10296122

I don't think it's a bullshit attitude to agree that sellers have a right to be disappointed with a broken platform but probably should be more careful about bidding start prices if they intend to get more money for their listing and just actually list what they want and not play price games but then get mad if they lose? Or to say that buyers would probably be upset if they won an item and then the seller decides nope not selling it to you gonna relist.

>>10296126

It's definitely all of the circlly sites. Kei market and the others are having the same problems.

I propose a comm mod appreciation day! I'm so thankful for my comm mods. They host tons of fun and interesting meets and have always been sweet and welcoming to new people. I'm thinking it should be some time between Winter ILD and Summer ILD, maybe in the spring time.

>>10296061
I never said the motivation was to be fair to the buyers. That's something you imagined, and you're having an argument with yourself. I've been talking about the situation being fair to the seller all along.

>>10296266
Either way it is still fair to the seller because they had the chance to list their minimum for more and didn't. Don't list for less than you actually ever wanna sell for. That's what I've been saying. If you get screwed because you hoped the bidding would drive up the price and listed for less than you really wanted then tough.

Okay gulls, your thoughts on Daily-EGL?

>>10296295
Yup. Also, don’t anticipate a bidding war for random items no one really cares about, you won’t get one.

>>10296341
Too early to tell

>>10296341
This is literally the first I hear of this, what is it?

>>10296344
New COF comm with no ero and based on more crit I guess. That's my first impression.

>>10296341
I like the idea of a place where concrit is encouraged and seeing people who have been too nervous to post to cof because of being reposted. I appreciate having a space for growth

That being said, i can see why some people have never posted before. They dress terribly (but so far it is not the majority). And it is sad to see someone already posted to the ita thread. Normally i dont care, but to post from a private group thats looking for improvement seems like low fruit and a bit unfair.

>>10295871
Yes I know they did. You missed the point which is that the view count is broken. A buyer message asked about shipping which they would have had to open the page to know.

>>10296240
my comm mod is a cow who wishes she was a queen bee and I'm waiting for the day she's leaving so I can join without cringing into a next galaxy

>>10296360
Man you are delusional. You really think ppl wanted to be posted on cgl so they post on cof? It happens anyways. Cof is a private group.

If any new group becomes popular then cgl will take pics and repost it here. It happened with insta and those were all horrible.

>>10296360
I don’t see anyone from that group in the ita thread.

>>10296388
>It happened with insta and those were all horrible.
Insta threads were mostly nice if it wasn't for retards constantly doomposting about evul gulls.

>>10296341
I've noticed a trend where people who join these groups all dress badly but want to appear to be elite veterans of the fashion. Same thing happens whenever anons beg for a discord "with no itas allowed," everyone who joins is as mediocre looking as amino users.

>>10296454
I joined because I’m tired of obvious sissies in CoF, it’s not that deep.

>>10296457

Agreed, itas or mediocre coords are better than sissies. ANYTHING is better than sissies.

>>10296388
I didnt say people wanted to be posted, but its tradition here that there is a COF thread. Id hardly call cof private with how they allow anyone in who asks. At least with this new egl thing theyre a bit pickier with questions (not that it could help but i can wish)

The bodyline girl in the ita thread was in that group. To be fair its a pretty shitty outfit for someone supposedly in the fashion 10 years.

>>10296388

Literally this.

The one bad incident everyone likes to point to is literally local comm drama, and probably would have happened sooner or later since they posted to COF as well.

>>10296483

Oops, meant to quote >>10296433

>>10296126
Lacemarket is amazing, all other platforms charge sellers in some fashion, LM's free setup the only reason I bother selling at all. I would be way more careful with new purchases if LM went away, and sell only to Closetchild when I really needed to get rid of something

>>10296488
LM is shit in other ways tho
Like how they won't ban scammers but they will ban you for using curse words lol

>>10296488

I agree that I really like LM. It feels safe and familiar and it is really easy for newbies to gain experience buying and selling and learning how that works.

>>10296353
>No ero

Why though? If it's not lolita they can just remove it but ero is a legitimate substyle. This is just as weird as saying 'no wa lolita' because it's usually badly executed.

>>10296501
What do you mean scammers? Actual scammers have been banned, there is a list of banne users

>>10296517
show me an example of ero that is legitimately not shit

>>10296517
Agreed. It's a stupid, premature rule

So Lors Girlfriend is now a well known Lolita?
Wow.

>>10296536
kek are you kidding me? she's literally been in the fashion for months

>>10296536
Translation from Google:
We are pleased to announce to our following International Guests: from Toronto Canada to Guadalajara Mexico, to two well-known Lolitas who have been an example to follow for the great contribution and dissemination they have given to fashion: Lovely Lor & Holly Flynn Two girls who will infect us with their sympathy and good humor, with luxury activities and games, so you can spend an unforgettable weekend at La Fête de Versailles. They will teach us important tips about being YouTube Influencer, as well as learn more about their tastes and hobbies. Attend and live with them Lovely Lor is a well-known YouTube Influence Lolita, creator of Shit Lolitas Say, Lolita Reacts, Lolita Horror Stories and more! He has been an active member of multiple Lolita International Communities and has had an interest in both Kawaii and Lolita fashion for over 10 years. Lovely Lor has appeared in documentaries about Lolita fashion such as "Sugar Coated" and "Weird Threads." She is the creator of her own videos on her YouTube channel, specializing in alternative fashion, positivism and adventure!
Holly is Lor's partner who recently started dressing Lolita She appears regularly on the Lovely Lor YouTube channel and collaborates with the creation of videos! Despite entering fashion recently, she is fully committed to Lolita and is an active member of many local and online communities. Holly generally represents the Gothic Lolita in this couple but also has fun adding her unique style within this fashion.

>>10296488
Why would you sell on LM if you're living in japan? Just sell it through apps or auctions, it sells much faster and bids ho much higher than any western market.

>>10296539
I don't live in Japan but I've wanted to try selling when I visit (about once every year or two just never gave it a go)

>>10296538
I think it's weird that basically just because Holly is Lor's girlfriend, she is included in all of Lor's events. Holly is a baby lolita and her style is pretty average at best. I guess efame comes easy if you ride someone else's cost tails.

>>10296642
Same, I mean, she can bring her but why is she a special guest?

>>10296538
Well known Lolitas?
Holly?
Bullshit.

>>10296645
>>10296644
>>10296642
That's so awkward, if her name wasn't attached to Lor's no one would know who she was.

>>10296517
Its not banned because it normally looks shit, but because if you were at work and scrolled past someone who is (likely) in a hoop skirt and bra, itd be questionable. Ero is a nsfw style since most people who try it do so shittily and are literally just in underwear

>>10296677
Anyone who's wearing a fashion that looks NSFW is obviously not wearing lolita, and that shit should be removed. Ero lolita has shorter skirts and bare shoulders, but nothing that would be seen as abnormally nude by fashion standards outside of lolita. People who try to do it shittily = the style being banned because it normally looks like shit.

>>10296677

honestly you shouldn't really be fucking browsing lolita at work anyways, unless you're a lolita shop girl or your job is meaningless.

>>10296718
Fuck off your high horse. Acting like you dont look at facebook/instagram while on your break or downtime

>>10296501
This omg! I had a buyer back out of buying an item of mine just because they disagreed with the shipping price I had quoted (and offered proof of) and as a result they got the LM mods involved and I had to refund them in a roundabout way and lost a ton of money as a result... The mods did literally nothing to help and backed up the buyer despite it not being my fault at all. They also edited my feedback about the buyer where I detailed everything I went on. The mods seriously need to step up.

>>10296521
Scalpers and shit

>>10296727
That’s been talked to death. They can’t ban scalpers because that would entail proving intent. How can you prove someone bought something purely to resell or because they bought it and they don’t like it. A price you don’t like =\= scalper

>>10296733
Yes they can ban the most well known ones who literally call themselves shops but they don't want to because one of them is in their mod team.

>>10296733
Agreed, gulls have identified some actual scalpers but then retarded newfags try to add in every seller of an average overpriced or normally priced dress they want and can't afford

>>10296718
I don't I play word puzzles games

>>10296723

get a fucking privacy screen if you're really going to be browsing at work then, wringing your hands over this shit is dumb as fuck and no supervisor is going to take anyone browsing lolita at work seriously, ero lolita or not.

>>10296772
thank goodness you're not part of this retarded SFW debate then.

>>10296749
Yeah, noticed this the past year too. Overly aggressive newbies screaming scalper at anyone that don't offer their pieces at cheap ass prices. Even reasonably priced items are too expensive for some reason. I'm guessing they are people with entitlement issues. They don't understand the seller can ask whatever they want. Don't like the price? Don't buy it, if something is truly overpriced it won't sell anyway.

>>10296240
Just do something nice for your mods, talk about it, and hope it catches on. Lolitas aren't going to organize to thank their mods the way they will to show off a new dress.

>>10296786
>>10296749
>>10296733
Sorry you got posted

>>10296749
>>10296786 (especially you)
>>10296733
Sorry you got posted

>>10296799
Why did you delete and repost this?

>>10296801
Because I wanted to put highlight to one of the anons after playing around with the archive and realising they have been triggered over scalper discussions for a long time.

>>10296799
Stay assmad poorfag. I actually appreciate when people call out real scalpers like the strawberry kumya chinese person, gemgem, and rainies but calling out normal sellers distracts from what scalping really is. Keeping the callouts to actual proven scalpers is a good way to raise awareness of who's scummy (preventing them from profiting) and prevent scalping.

>>10296806

This is anonymous image board, it probably isn't the same person and visiting the archive to confirm a retarded assumption that someone is samefagging or secretly a scalper just because they don't call any dress a poorfag can't afford a scalped item. Most of us dislike scalping but know that there is little to be done and what is cheap to some is worth it to others/that the best way to stop scalpers is not buy their shit so they go broke/don't make the profit they're looking for.

>>10296820
>doesn't deny it
>p-poorfag! kneejerk reaction
Yup. I'm not the one who has to overprice to the point they are scared shitless of being called a scalper.

>>10296724
"Refund in a roundabout way"? What does that mean exactly? How did you lose money?

>>10296851
I rarely sell but go off I guess. My stuff is all under market price and I've never been mentioned on CGL besides in CoF threads and ita thread a few years ago when I was new

>>10296876
NAYRT but PayPal charges fees to the seller for both sales and refunds now.

>>10296536

>>10296898
My thoughts exactly

>>10296738
What? Who?

>>10295317
The views aren’t even visible to me anymore its just gone

>>10296727
Scalp doesn’t mean scam. If you don’t like price then don’t buy it

>>10296677
you should be working not looking at ero lolita

>>10296937
Just because scalping isn’t illegal doesn’t mean it isn’t shitty

>>10296937
Just because scalping isn’t illegal doesn’t mean it isn’t shitty

>>10296944
If you’re not buying it then don’t complain?

>>10296850
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Ctrl+F "entitl" and "simpl" for page 1 and 2 and you have your answer. Also see >>10296937 . They are like a broken record.
>assumption that someone is samefagging or secretly a scalper
I didn't imply that anywhere. I wonder why you got that idea.

>>10296926
Rainies

>>10296890
Then explain why you care about gulls allergedly calling others scalpers who aren't scalpers to the point you namecall. And then name 3 people who have been called scalpers only because of "a price they don't like", because I can't recall a single one where the scalper suspicion was completely unjustified. It was never just the price but buy/sell behaviour that made it seem like they are.

>>10296733
Rules need to be rules. If reselling/scalping is banned and they ban outright scalpers, then they will have to apply this every time someone gets buttmad about someone selling for higher price than necessary. I am not surprised they don't want to go through that hassle.

>>10296926
They mean Rainies, there was a rumor that she was a mod some time ago

>>10296953
Rainies is a shit seller anyway and should be avoided because she is abandoning the fashion in general and she can't even be arsed to ship the stuff she sells anymore. She recently got negative feedback for never shipping out an order, but the feedback is now neutral and "pending"

>>10296962
Just permit them from listing a certain amount of sales at once, it's not that hard. And scalping isn't just about the price.

>>10296966
*over a certain amount

>>10296964
Shes the one who said that she’s leaving the fashion then doesn’t right

>>10296964
Oh come on, the buyer has zero feedback. sounds like a vendetta to me

>>10296969
I think you mean rhija?

>>10296979
Nayrt but that doesn't make bad feedback invalid? Also there were legit screenshots posted on cgl, it's not a rumor.

>>10296979
Hi Rainies

>>10296983
i guess i got mixed up with the r names oops

>>10296964
I bought a dress off them once for a decent price given it was a rarer dress that comes up for sale. It was in great condition and it shipped in a timely fashion. I guess I just got lucky?

>>10296955
I like to buy on LM and don't mind paying comparable to Japanese prices. Plain and simple I'm not cheap

>>10296952

Maybe people repeat themselves because the thoughts or opinions are true/consistent among multiple people?

>>10296955
Nayrt but there was one general thread with an entire argument over someone calling a user named friday a scalper or something just cause someone once saw a similar username buy an item and resell it higher later. Unless people give a price and the listing and compare it to the item's price new, many people are going to be skeptical of scalping claims against average users.

People talk a lot about Rainies and Gemgem but no one seems mad at the newer or recently active potential scalpers like that Pistachio account and SoapboxSiren person. Or sunkittystudios (liar on a lot of listings and would try to resell new AP that was still in stock in the store at a higher than new price). Like if we know who the classic scalpers or scammers are let's actually point out when and where the new ones appear and wait for them to get negative feedback before demanding they get banned so no one looks like a retard with a vendetta.

>>10297025
That doesn't answer anything in the post. We get it, everyone is a poorfag now answer the questions or don't bother at all.

>>10297037
I've seen plenty of people calling out SSaCC as a scalper on here. Where have you been, under a rock?

>>10297037
They were asking and discussing about them being a scalper not outright stating they are.

>Unless people give a price and the listing and compare it to the item's price new, many people are going to be skeptical of scalping claims against average users.
>the newer or recently active potential scalpers like that Pistachio account and SoapboxSiren person. Or sunkittystudios (liar on a lot of listings and would try to resell new AP that was still in stock in the store at a higher than new price).
?
And Soapbox was mentioned a few times already, but idk who the other ones are.

>>10297050

I personally mentioned SoapBoxSirens before and have only seen it once or twice from anyone else since I began seeing their listings so that's why I brought them up.

>>10297054
I’ve seen constant bitching about SS here.

>>10296983
Raines also said she was leaving lolita on Facebook and was going to be selling her personal wardrobe iirc. But you’re right rhija is the ones who is [leaving lolita] for years now

>>10297054
I thought you meant they were never brought up, but yes, better once more than once less.

>>10297056
"Constant bitching" as in 5 posts in total.

>>10297081
No, a few months back even people were complaining across several generals about her listing and then immediately slashing prices. Yeah it’s annoying but so is how much she’s being talked about too.

Wow I'm gutted. I was going for wine HL at APSF and chrome crashed on the last checkout step. By the time it came back up it was gone. HL was totally sold out by 12:04. People still thirst for it I guess.

>>10297109
I think based on the photo they posted and one set per household rules they severely understocked

>>10297109
>people trying to act like lolita brands are suffering and totally hurting for money!!!
>AP still sells out of basically everything in minutes

Is there somewhere you can post about bad lolita transactions with names and links and warn other people? I know there's groups like that for other hobbies, usually on FB. But I haven't seen any for lolita.

>>10297157
Rufflechat technically allows this under reviews.

>>10295422
>>10295448
Please. COF is like 80% itas.

>>10296025
Has anyone actually successfully sold lolita through Depop? I listed a few BTSSB and AP items on Depop a few months ago, but kept getting lowballed by retards who think I'll accept their offer of $30 shipped for an AP jsk in really good condition. I don't particularly like LM but it's better than Depop.

>>10297155
Nobody is arguing big brands are hurting for business, and if you think that’s what people are saying you’re the idiot here

People do encourage others to buy new from smaller brands because we see where they end up if we don’t with the likes of Mary Magdalene

>>10297191
Actually plenty of people have argued that. If I had a dollar for every someone argued that bodyline/taobao/other cheap options are "killing real lolita brands" I'd have a nice stack going.

>>10297159
I hate Depop. I don't live in USA and to browse there they always prompt me to register an account. I particularly prefer LM or even eBay to browse things.

>>10297197
Nayrt but AP, BTSSB, Meta, Moitie, and IW are fine. Nobody's defending those.

Brands like VM and MM are hurting. I've also seen people argue that knockoffs of small Japanese brands are ok which is shitty as fuck

>>10297159
I have successfully bought and sold brand, not much but a few pieces. I just let them know explicitly I don’t accept lowball offers,

>>10297204
>Nobody's defending those.
Again yeah they are. If you at all mention being a fan of non-JP brands, you will be bombarded with anons screeching "How can you not support JP brands? Support the brands, they NEED our support" etc etc. Which really isn't true since China is supporting the JP brands just fine and doesn't really need westerners' money

>>10297210
Well alright
I haven't done that though at least. The only prominent example that sticks out to me is in a previous stupid questions thread an anon was asking for taobao knockoffs of Antique Beast headdresses, and that's an Indie brand and not comparable to AP

And I have seen people shit on non-JP brands, but for quality and not because of support

>>10297213
I have definitely seen at least a few times that anons say they don't care much about JP brand trends or new releases, would rather follow indie brands for whatever reasons, and they got shit on like crazy for not "supporting"

>>10296969
>>10296983
>>10297058
Rhija also was also copying and pasting other sellers listing details and not writing up her own. I called her out on it and she said "you don't own WORDS". I wish lace market would shut her down at least. Several people have reported and complained about her obvious scalping

Does anyone know where to find more pics of this set without the cape?

>>10297205
Nayrt but I have something along the lines of “lowball offers will be ignored” on my Depop and I get lowballed anyways. I don’t even use my Depop for jfash, just regular normie stuff that’s already cheap as hell.

>>10297244
Wtf is this? It looks like a cheap Taobao cosplay, not like an AP ott set.

>>10297251
It was made to pander to the Chinese, ofc it looks like shit.

>>10297255
I feel like this gets said constantly but do you have any proof? Like how do we know Japanese lolitas don't like this new stuff? Just because we in the west don't like it...

>>10297257
That design is literally based on cultural Chinese garb you fucking mong

>>10297259
Get the salt out of your vag, anon.

>>10297259
So? Japanese lolitas loved Shanghai Doll and that's cultural Chinese garb too. You aren't proving anything

>>10297157
I’m not sure if the Lolita Fashion Reviews count

>>10297050
Dear god I bought a hair bow from Soapbox last week

>>10297262
The fact that it’s based on Chinese designs with the recent upswing in purchase from Chinese buyers and you can’t put this together? You are astronishingly retarded.

>>10297050
Sorry for sameposting but I bought from them and they asked me if i wanted to wait a couple days for their bulk order of items from different brands so i can buy them too. When i said no she accepted it but then kept saying she was sorry for the rude reply and that she didn’t intend to sound mean. I posted about her in the Stupid Questions thread, shes the one sending essay long replies and shes just really fishy. I’m giving her a negative review now. Thanks gulls

>>10297268
What are you talking about? The design pictured is a “fairy tale design” and it looks Western European, not traditional Chinese design.

>>10297272
You really should stop posting and learn what you’re talking about before spouting out of your ass like this.

>>10297272
are you the anon that kept insisting that the chinoiserie OP release wasn’t actually chinese inspired when it got released?

>>10297268
AP seems to be copying Taobao trends at this point instead of the other way around. It’s sad that they went from a cute brand with decent quality dresses to a brand with a generic Taobao shop vibe but with the same burando price tag.

>>10297269
She sold some things to me a few months ago. Her measurements are bullshit. She put in the listing that a cutsew could go up to 120cm in the bust. I’m at 98cm and I could barely get it on and can only wear it under a JSK it looks so tight. There’s no way it could stretch up to 120cm

>>10297276
They aren’t copying taobao trends, they’re pandering to the nouveau riche in China. There is in fact a distinction between those two things.

>>10297279
Yikes I hope you left a negative review. I bought a KC from her and she said she cant give tracking because she used “the boat” option. If you also live in Japan, you don’t need a fucking boat to ship something to me.

>>10297281
You paid for the option without tracking and you’re complaining she didn’t give you tracking? I’m tired of seeing her spamming a bunch of “sets” and overpriced cutsews but fucking wat

>>10297275
No, that’s not me, chinoiserie reads Asian to me. I just think that cape is totally classic little red riding hood style and I don’t know how you see traditional Chinese elements in it. There are no tassels, no braiding, no shiny silk, none of those knot designs, nothing that reads Chinese to me. There are rows of lace and a stylized apron and a red riding hood style cape. It reads Brothers Grimm fairy tales to me.

>>10297283
How shocking, someone who doesn’t know jack shit about fashion outside “muh pastels muh Alice” and cultural/historical garment inspiration on /cgl/!

>>10297281
Boat is the cheapest shipping option from Japan, why would she NOT use it?

>>10297268
So basically you have no proof. Ok.

>>10297282
She never explained what the boat option was. She just said it’s the cheapest so i went with it.

>>10297288
>not knowing what it is

You clearly are new to jfash

>>10297288
It's... shipping by boat. Most times when you order anything from Japan, it'll be shipped by boat unless you pay more for another option.

>>10297288
She does explain what it is on listings.

>>10297285
nayrt, if you need an education in historical fashion to see the inspiration for a garment then the designers didn’t do their jobs.

>>10297289
I typically get stuff from America when i used to live there and my friends in Japan meetup and swap stuff.

>>10297298
Sure Jan

>>10297276
>nouveau riche like tacky things
>Taobao “brands” are tacky
>nouveau riche like Taobao
>AP wants to pander to the nouveau riche
>AP copies Taobao
>AP becomes tacky

>>10297301
>nouveau riche like Taobao
No they don't. They like spending as much money as possible on brand to show off.

>>10297298
>I-I’m not new! I-I just inexplicably “prefer” to buy from America even though literally every other seasoned person in lolita knows buying from japan is better!

>>10297305
When i lived there you fucking idiot. I’ve been wearing lolita for 6 years now.

>>10297283
I don’t see any Chinese/Asian influence on that dress either. The anons who think it looks Chinese inspired are on crack. If anything, it looks like an idol anime costume. SA•KU•RA Palais Royal is a good example of an ott dress that clearly reads as Asian inspired.

>>10297309
Sure Jan. Whatever you say.

>>10297299
>>10297313
Imagine being this idiotic

>>10297314
Imagine being so idiotic you don’t know what by boat shipping is when you’ve been in a fashion that uses it constantly for 6 years.

>>10297269

I bought once but she was constantly trying to upsell me and link me to her vintage and other sales and I was pretty annoyed. I hate sellers trying to upsell. If I wanted multiple of their items I'd have checked their profile and asked them about combining shipping already before buying. It's always the ones that are really just shops/businesses that try to upsell.

>>10297237
Looks like the Rhija account was deleted or she changed her name because its no longer showing up

>>10297320
do lm mods read cgl?

>>10297320
No it’s still there, we were just spelling it wrong

https://egl.circlly.com/users/rhijia

>>10297290
Most are shipped by air (airmail, EMS) because responsible sellers protect themselves by shipping quickly and with tracking
Shipping by boat takes months and packages sometimes gets lost

There's a new user that isn't a scammer or scalper from what I see so far but is spamming a bunch of new shoes?

icybox is their username. People who spam a bunch of taobao or non brand they're probably just reselling is super annoying.

>>10297244
They posted it on Twitter.

>>10297337
She’s listed a ton of stuff in the past couple days. Another reseller, awesome. Why have there been so many in the past couple months?? T b h I did’t really mind when it was just a few, they’re cheaper than cc, had a large selection so I could buy a bunch of stuff from one seller, and they have good reputations for shipping etc. But lately it’s exploded and lace market is nothing but resellers, all members less than 2 months. Did word get out in China or something?

>>10297337
Now she’s spamming wigs, last night it was purses

>>10297339

Yeah I hate this so much. There isn't a way to report people trying to essentially run a shop with less fees via LM...

>>10297357
ayrt, it’s really really annoying. I just wanna buy some damn used lolita from another lolita without browsing through their 1000 Taobao resellings and 700 scalped-from-mercari AP sets

>>10297336
I've ordered a lot of dresses and toys from Japan and they were always shipped by boat bc I'm not willing to pay more
Idk

>>10297316
Like I said I only traded locally in Japan and in America it was all USPS but I’m sure you’re only pretending to be an idiot

>>10297317
Shes doing the same to me and yeah it was annoying
>>10297336
That sucks I guess itll take months to receive a KC

>>10297337
I ordered from them and they’re pretty chill

>>10297367

Yeah they're probably a legit seller. Just annoying that they're clogging up LM with taobao resale instead of just starting an eBay shop or something.

>>10297024
Pro tip, anything Rainies sells you can find cheaper. Even if it’s in Japan and you need a shopping service it will still be cheaper.

>>10297037
Yeah, remember when sunkittystudios said Dream Cat Go Round wouldn’t be released in the US when it was literally already on the APUS website? That was a good laugh.

>>10297265
Hope you looked closely at the pictures. They sell nasty socks.

>>10297371
The problem is when she’s got something you can’t find elsewhere. Some dresses (and more importantly, accessories) don’t pop up very often. I’m trying to find old sweet AP socks and every pair I can find is being sold by a reseller

>>10297372

Yeah someone even commented to tell them they were lying and then they deleted and reposted the listing to "correct" it (AKA hide the comment since you can edit a listing as long as it has no bids). They always sell new AP at like over price before it ever "arrives from their SS" and are like "I'm losing money on this dress actually because of SS fees so you're getting the best price"

I hate people who list items they haven't even recieved yet. Or those people who try to do taobao preorders through LM. That's just not what it's for.

>>10297378
goddamn it even a year ago it was better. I blame “efamous” lolitas (ie lor and tyler) for the influx of resellers on LM and sissies on COF

>>10297370
Did LaceMarket change the taobao limit or was it just handmade stuff

>>10297374
It’s only at the very edge of the kc that it has a small stain but it’ll be hidden when worn so i dont really care

Are WTBs allowed on LM? I see them all the time and find them really annoying. This isn’t a Facebook sales group.

>>10297403
No they aren't, report them and they'll delete them.

>>10297376
What colorway and what region do you live in?

>>10297403
Did you see the btssb kuma hairband too and get excited? That seller is a shithead

>>10297398
Vendetta

>>10297403
I wish

>>10297337
I want her to know that I have the LM scalper blocker and I will never see her listings because she is 100% blocked. I don't want to be making someone profit.

>>10297414
why do people call vendetta when someone doesnt like lor or tyler? Neither are interesting and them charging patreon money for their roast and toast video is the cherry on top

>>10297432
Just take it to lolcow, they/you obviously want to vent about them as people.

>>10297419
>LM scalper blocker
What? Please explain

>>10297450

All you have to do is literally scroll up if it's in this thread or check the stupid questions thread where someone posted the chrome extension and screenshots of what it looks like.

Why are scammers/scalpers so fixated on BTSSB?
>hoarding kumya kumyas to scalp on LM
>selling a waist tie for 5€
>selling a Taobao replica as brand

>>10297281
>she said she cant give tracking because she used “the boat” option
Kek that's a free ticket to get scammed. I hope someone takes advantage of it.

>>10297517
That's not a taobao replica

>>10297403
I wish they were allowed, that way you could filter them out

>>10297517

Kumyas are the one thing on LM that even regular people sell for a lot because they are popular. Mostly Usakumya but still. BABY dresses will sit for weeks unsold but a Kumya or Kumya themed accessory sells quickly if priced well.

>>10297537
NAYRT but my first thought was that it was a Taobao dress labeled as BTSSB for attention before I looked it up. $10 starting bid, $32 BIN for brand seems too good to be true but it's also ugly as sin so that's the only price it could sell for.

>>10297554
Fingers crossed that a majority of people continue to not patronize scalpers even if they're listing Kumyas for cheap. I don't trust this community enough to assume that people won't give any money scalpers though.

>>10297558

Luckily for us Kuma Kumya is less popular and most people want the big rucksacks and this person is selling the mini (I try to pay attention to LM trends ro make sure prices are reasonable and the last mini listed took a while to sell from a regular user) so they'll probably never sell it at this price.

>>10297517
This is a mini? Are they using a different picture for attention?

>>10297565
>>10297555
>>10297517
>all these newfags who don't know what brand looks like
i hate scalpers too but seriously?

>>10297565

The regular kumya mini is bigger than a pochette but much smaller than the large rucksack and the BABY stock image Lolibrary provides makes it look wayyy more huge than it is IRL.

>>10297555
>too good to be true
I got all my best deals from LM and swap meets

>>10296716
Ero Lolita is beautiful but it is difficult to wear tastefully. If you are young, thin, and look like girl pictured, wear it.

>>10297555
I've gotten tons of old Baby and Meta for under $50. If it's an old solid or floral but not a cut that came back with the oldschool craze, it's not going to sell for much.

>>10297237
Yeah last year you posted that about her too. I remember that because she falsely accused me of posting her to cgl and harassed me via LM's pm system. I found out weeks later after that happened, cause I don't check that email account very often and I was taking a break from cgl to celebrate the holidays and new years. I found out she posted my lm account (the thread was archived by that point), trying to shame me cause she though I called her a scalper (which was actually you). I sold to her in the past & my tos stated I own a cat (to warn people with allergies). She thought that was "proof" that I called her a scalper. I never told anyone they can't copy info from my listing and my transactions with her went fine back then, it was a real shock to me when I found out what she did. I was really pissed off and reported her to the LM mods but don't know if they ever told her off for what she did. By the look of it she got away with it cause she still has an account. Thanks to her bullshit I pretty much lost interest in Lolita. I wished I never sold to her, it wasn't worth all this bullshit. Now I'm weary about selling too. I don't blame you for any of this btw. And sorry for the wall of text and my shitty English (I'm a Dutchy), feels good to get this off my chest though.

how do I stop buying dresses?
I want to take a really long break from buying main pieces and work on having more casual jfashion.

I have ~40 dresses and it continues to stack up on the rack and a majority of them haven't been worn but I keep buying, I can't stop!

>>10297605
The main thing that helped me is not compulsively checking lm or other secondhand sales sites. Once I broke that habit and was able to control when I looked at sales, I noticed that I stopped caring less about continuously buying. Also make it a habit to wear each piece at least 3 or 4 times before buying a new one. Consider doing a closet clean out too and selling pieces you like less or don't wear often so you have cash to buy new clothes.

>>10297399

They still have a limit and look what this person is doing now: continuing to list taobao and offbrand wigs but gaming the system.

>>10297604
Yeah I saw her posts in the archive too and desu she seems like a massive cunt.

>>10297605
Focus on another hobby.

>>10297605
Sometimes, if you don't have any excuse to go out/wear the fashion, it is easy to default to "buying more dresses" to feel like you're "participating" in lolita. Putting on a coord and going out, even just for a short walk, is one way to curb the itch. Or if that's not possible due to time or weather, instead of getting trapped in consumerism, I try to find other ways to do hobby related things besides buying things.

I find spending more time examining/focusing on my current wardrobe helps. I have been spending time tracking down lolibrary/brand/official images of all my items, including accessories/tights/socks/whatever I can track down. then I make big wardrobe compilation collages of all my items, or collages separating them into sub-styles/themes, etc. It's helped me figure out what I'm actually lacking/need more of, and then I can focus on saving up for those items (or hunting down/waiting for perfect ones) instead of spending on whatever I happen to see. I also like making little capsules sections out of my larger wardrobe, so if I travel for any extended period I already have some ideas of what I can bring with and still have a lot of variety/not forget anything vital.

Agreed on not compulsively checking secondhand sites too. Close all your tabs for auctions, LM, etc. Let yourself open them to check once or twice a day and then close them again. If you keep refreshing them mindlessly all day, you're more likely to impulsively buy things.

>>10297605
Not to be an armchair psychiatrist, but to me that sounds like you might have a shopping addiction. I used to deal with the same thing. CBT/therapy might be really helpful for you.

But in the short term, >>10297688 had some great ideas. I wasn't able to afford therapy, and I did a lot of similar stuff. In the process of "treating" my own issue, I massively downsized my wardrobe but also perfected it. And I developed better shopping habits going forward.

>take stock of what you already own
I went through my whole wardrobe and tried it all on. If it wasn't flattering or comfortable for some reason (too tight, too loose, too fancy, not my style) I sold it. Then I went through what was left and started making coords. If I couldn't make a full coord using an item, then I sold it.

>pick some themes and colors and stick to them
Do you like unicorns, mermaids, trump cards, tartan, pastries, bats? Decide what your favorite colors and motifs are, and start getting rid of the pieces that don't fit it.

When you've done all this, it gives you a better idea of how to spend your money. Now, most of my lolita budget goes towards accessories. I'm spending way less, and much less often. And when I look at main pieces I'm much more critical of them. I consider whether they'll fit my style, flatter my body, and whether I have all the components to make a full coord with the item WITHOUT having to buy additional stuff. Rather than buying things right away, I'll write it down on my wishlist and wait for it to come up on the secondhand market, or at least I'll wait a while for my initial excitement to die down.

>>10297643
Please tell me you reported that listing.

>>10297643
I hate these listings. I see them for rings and crap all the time. If you really want to sell your offbrand junk just make a lot, especially for cheap jewelry.

>>10297604
Oh my god I am so sorry that happened to you! What a massive cunt. I did comment about this exact same thing last year, and I was hoping it wouldn't come across as same fagging, but that was my personal experience and I feel people should know the truth. I hope she doesn't come at you again.

Lace Market mods seem to have given up on life.

>>10297710

Yeah I reported. Hopefully mods will actually do something about it.

secrets

>>10297605
I stopped buying so many after I noticed there wasnt much point. I'd hype up a dress, find it, get really excited to receive it, and... Almost immediately move on to seeking the next one. After awhile I stepped back and wondered wtf I was doing. Clearly, the dresses weren't as exciting once I got them and didn't really make much difference in my life.

>>10297517
>>10297555

>too good to be true

I'll just point out it's a salopette, not a jsk. They really don't look good on anyone who isn't smol and tiny, so there's nearly no demand for them.

>>10297713
People should know the truth, I agree. When she got mentioned in this thread my initial thought was OH NO NOT THIS AGAIN! What if she accuses me again cause she thinks she's the Sherlock fucking Holmes of the Lolita community? Then I realized that perhaps I should share my experience from last year. It's not nice being accused of something I didn't do. She even threatened to sue me for defamation in that mail she sent me. I didn't even bother replying, cause in her eyes I was guilty anyway, so I reported her instead. If she comes at me again I will report her again as well.

>>10297922
>She even threatened to sue me for defamation in that mail she sent me
Holy shit what a totally not guilty nutjob. Anon is it okay if I repost her post from the archive without your info? Because it's even funnier now, after it's 1 year old and she's still "leaving lolita".

>>10297925
Yeah sure, go ahead. She was in the wrong by doing that in the first place. She felt bad about being accused and then she did the same to the wrong person. That defamation thing was probably an empty threat. How can you even take someone (who's also not in the same country) to court over a comment made on an anonymous board? How are you going to prove who made that comment? I'm pretty sure that if you contact 4chan mods they won't help you either. They probably made it anonymous so people can speak freely. I doubt they would hand out any information unless court ordered.

>>10297605
I made a rule for myself to sell something every time I buy something

>>10297609
>>10297669
>>10297688
>>10297709
>>10297732
>>10297936

Thank you anons!

>>10297244
I kinda wish it had a fur lined cape, that was really cute.

How much of your disposable income do you spend on lolita? At this point I use all of it for lolita but I wonder if I should save some money to do normie things like going on holiday or having drinks with friends.

>>10297322
Would any of us know, even if they did?

>>10297339
>>10297357
Here is an idea for you gulls. if a ship is re-selling brand new stuff, that means that they will probably use the same pictures for proof. you can report that,

>>10297237
LM won't shut her down because scalping is not against LM's rules. I have it out for Rhijia too, but unless she actually breaks a rule, it is hard to get rid of her, no matter how much of a rude cunt she is

>>10297605
Seconding the buy something, sell something rule. But also if you're not wearing it every day, you definitely don't need 40 things. I don't think I have 40 normie outfits.

Also if you have 40 pieces you probably don't get happiness from all of them. Go through it and sell the ones that you forget they exist and the ones that don't spark joy. Find your personal style and cut down the dresses you don't feel right in. It feels great to just have a purge.

For those of you interested in fashion outside of lolita, how do you navigate wanting higher quality items? A lot of people within the fashion believe that lolita garments are high quality but I get ashamed to wear a lot of my garments around normies due to poor construction or bad fabrics.

>>10297210
China is supporting AP just fine but is there much interest in the classic brands over there?

>>10298021
I'm not sure exactly what you're saying, but if you're referring to the quality of lolita garments, there is a massive difference in quality between say Bodyline and Mary Magdalene. Just buy higher end brand if you want quality.

>>10298021
Try not wearing taobao.

Where did chokelate go? I miss her outfits. But looking back they weren't ground breaking, she was just pretty. But I miss her.

>>10298021
What kind of normies do you hang out with? The 1%?

>>10298035
She was cyberbullied into oblivion

>>10298047
>cyberbullied

Is that what they’re calling getting backlash for being a scammer now?

>>10298050
To a certain degree. If you bought something from her you could get a refund and leave a negative review, no need to send her death threats and call her ugly

>>10298052
Wouldn’t have happened if she wasn’t scamming people

>>10298052
>get a refund
Didn't people wait several months for that though? She was really incompetent, she deserved backlash. Death threats go too far though.

>>10298047
Don't be silly, I never saw any hate towards her.

For those of you who have had success cleaning out your wardrobe, do you hold on to items you don’t like that much until you can find an appropriate replacement? Ie, I have a nonprint white head bow but don’t like this specific headbow, should I hold on to it until I can find a headbow I like or just get rid of it now because I will never want to wear it anyway?

>>10298110
Depends on how often you wear it. As someone who wears it daily I would hold onto it to hold you over, but if you only wear it once a week/month I would say to sell it.

>>10298110
Doing that is what prevented me from clearing out my wardrobe lol, if you don't like it that much you probably won't wear it anyways so sell it

>>10296876
Bit late now but yeah like the anon that replied, paypal charged me out the ass for the refund which took a full week because my bank doesn't allow me to use paypal technically (due to a previous issue with paypal) so I ended up being like 15% out of pocket.

Someone is trying to sell puppet circus on LM for $1000.

Do you guys think someone will buy it like they (I think?) did for the stretched shirring original Honey cake this summer? Or the $800 Pink Honey Cake set?

Do people consider this expensive pricing for rare items scalping the same as less sought after items or is it justified? I say it's still scalping especially when people think scratches on the print and dust and stains are good enough quality to sell at such a jacked up price.

>>10298124
That sounds fair for puppet circus in that cut/color, what are you on about?

>>10298124
Thanks for the heads up, gonna buy that if it's still there on payday

>>10298124
Since it goes for that much on second hand sites, it isn’t scalping. It’s the market value.

It also will never ever be rereleased so that helps the pricing

>>10298110
Depends on the item. If the piece is more generic and easy to find (say, like your white headbow) I'd purge it but if you're looking for a specific print or colour of something which you know will be hard to find, keep it until you find the thing you really want. A lot of people do this with print dresses that aren't in their preferred cut. Granted that the inferior item is something you can still work with. I currently have a specific colour blouse I want to replace but I'm holding onto it until I find the perfect one, because there are the select few outfits I can make it work with. If you know you can't work with something or you just don't want to wear it and it'll just sit in the back of your closet, purge it.

Also you don't want to end up in a situation like >>10298115 where it prevents you from decluttering completely. If you have a build up of stuff you aren't sure about it can be overwhelming so it's good to tackle stuff individually.

>>10298124
>scenario: you are a fresh, bright eyed lolita who is so new you don’t even know what Puppet circus, one of the most iconic lolita prints of all time, goes for

Imagine.

>>10298136

>>10297244
Damn that's ugly

>>10298136

I know it goes for a lot because of the rarity; but I was just curious about opinions since people are fast to call everything scalping these days.

I think in good condition a rare dress like puppet circus is worth a lot but that in poor condition where the seller is like "oh well it has some damage but otherwise totally new!!1" it's not worth the going market price anymore. This particular listing isn't that extreme or anything but if something was a dream item I'd be wary of the condition before shelling out that much.

>>10298136

Some people consider Milky Planet or Sugary Carnival, etc. extremely iconic prints too (I'd say that's debatable but people still claim it) and charge a lot for them, but many people find that era of OTT sweet kinda ugly or tacky too, so being iconic doesn't neccesarily mean it is really worth the going market rate.

Puppet Circus is objectively a better piece of course, and much more unique and beautiful than the previously mentioned pieces so it is definitely worth a lot but I think the condition would really dictate what it could be sold for. The condition of the one actually for sale isn't bad or anything though.

>>10298136
looks trash to me like most lolita prints

>>10298161

I usually prefer solids but as someone who screenprints a lot in art school, I have mad respect for the ability to produce a nice metallic print on flocked/textured fabrics like this print has.

>>10298164
very few prints look ok or good to me, my ex used to (I think she might still do, in fashion but not lolita, won't link because I'd be doxxing myself) produce some prints and it was pretty cool, truly an art, idk something in most prints I see make me think that the dress would look better without them, others are cool, but most aren't, at least to me

>>10298177
Personally I love prints that remind me of classic children's illustrations. I don't like print just for the sake of having a print (like allover snowflakes or something).

>>10298177
I think OTT sweet border prints look really cool but I quickly got over wanting to wear them after owning a few. I appreciate them more as artwork. But printed things can be very nice. Many florals are really versatile because of how many colors go into them that you can pull from and don't stand out as much to normies.

>>10298182

The few "childish" prints I really love are ones with bears. Teddy bears are just so sweet and cute and IW for example has lots of decent teddy bear prints that aren't as juvenile seeming as AP's toy prints. Meta also has that Gardening Teddy and Teddy Gobelin print (not sure if I got the exact names right) that are quite subtle and cute.

>>10298156
I love Puppet Circus, but to me, it’s not worth $1000. I understand market value and if other people are willing to pay that much, good for them, I’m not mad about it. It does suck though.

>>10298022
Not a as much, but there is interest. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of it is geared towards MM, so instead of JP brands getting money, they just end up raising the prices in the 2nd hand market.

>>10298204

don't forget jetj. all i see wearing jetj these days are rich chinese girls who think it goes great with their gucci purses and louboutin stilettos.

Two akuma kumyas up on Lacemarket now. Right next to each other with a $150 price difference on the starting bid. Amazing.

>>10298209

Saw it as well; fucking hilarious

>>10298209
Are they still so in demand? I was thinking about selling mine but felt weird about the markup / market value.

>>10298251
It's cause Baby SF just announced another lottery round and people are panicking and want to sell theirs now.

>>10298292
That’s why you don’t buy something with the intention of reselling. If you end up wanting to sell it and there’s demand, great, otherwise you shouldn’t expect much above retail.

>>10297981
Do what makes you feel happy, but as long as you keep a balanced life, and can pay your bills and afford to keep yourself fed.

That said, I should take my own advice, but I don't really have disposable income at the moment, so not much goes on Lolita unless I sell something or save up.

I have a few hobbies, so it gets distributed between them all when I can afford it. I don't know how much drinks with friends is where you live, but you could go out for a couple of drinks, put aside $30 for it to balance your Lolita life out with other kind of stuff, because Lolita will always be there, but people can disappear in an instant.

>>10297922
She can say whatever the bloody hell she wants to me, I'll just laugh in her proverbial face and report her. Suck my hairy balls, I say. I still feel bad that she came for you though, even though it's not my fault. I hope it didn't hurt you too much

>>10297925
I need to see this

>>10298128
>It also will never ever be rereleased so that helps the pricing
Will it? I mean AP has stopped doing jewelry for a while and I guess it had something to do with production. Maybe they will find a facility to print on velvet again, who knows.

>>10298292
I mean, the special set is less money than some of them have gone for.

>>10298292

Huh. I thought people sell them due to the added visibility -- like, normally maybe only one or two girls even remember this kumya exists, but now that SF is doing a lottery there's gonna be a bunch of people who see it and like it, and out of that number there's a higher chance some will prefer a guaranteed "win" over a lottery method of purchase and buy it secondhand instead.

>>10298329
I doubt it, there was one listed at $750 that never sold. People still like this kumya but everyone who was willing to pay outrageous prices already has it. Of the two kumya listings the one that actually has a bid is the one that started lower than the set Baby is selling.

>>10298312

Did Puppet Circus place/get included in their textile awards thing or was it even included? Some people speculated they'd probably continue to rerelease pieces from there.

>>10298343
It was not included. Most older prints were not included in the textile voting nor in the AP museum itself.

>>10296964
I am in the same comm as Rainies and I don't think she is leaving. She is just dealing with personal drama from wt I heard and she is taking a short stop

>>10298304
I'm glad you know it's not your fault, it's hers. Please don't feel bad! Looking at the comments here, she's rubbed quite a few people the wrong way. I certainly have nothing nice to say after the shit she pulled. Back then I was afraid those lies would ruin my reputation but now I no longer care. And her reputation, well she destroyed that all on her own.

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