/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10263759
So, AP skips Halloween this year and tries to win our hearts with Christmas dresses.

>>10263760
What’s your opinion on seasonal dresses? Do you like them even though you can only wear them for a short time of the year or do you rock them all year round?

>>10263760
They didn’t “skip” Halloween, they just didn’t do multiple dresses like they did in 2018 for it

>>10263760
I don't think I've ever seen a Christmas dress I wanted to buy (unless general winter-themed releases count). The themes are so blah. Halloween is way better print fodder.

>>10263763
imo halloween 2018 was the last time AP put out something I liked. But the fabrics... blagh. I saw ghost night bride irl and it just looks so washed out. I'm not usually one to complain about chiffons or polyester because I feel like I don't have the knowledge to talk about it, but this looked visibly bad quality.

AP USA has one Melty Ribbon Chocolate Jumperskirt in Mint for some reason. Kinda weird but also I know a lot of gulls like the chocolate prints.

>>10263760 >>10263762
I Like that they're pretty different in style from each other; one is more sweet and the other leans towards classic kinda.

>>10263763
Exactly. Also, I notice sometime the Halloween prints get released pretty close to the day, where as we get more of a heads-up about the Christmas prints.

>>10263762
I am not super into holiday dresses, especially christmas ones. I feel like Halloween at least can be worn year round because it has become it's own style or trend in jfashion as well as normie wear. But it's hard to wear something with a wreath in April. I prefer more general wintery dresses like Sugar Dream Dome.

>>10263776
I don't like seasoned prints either, aside from Halloween ones if they're just generally 'spooky'. Something about wearing snow when it's not actually snowing/that cold or, like you said, wreaths when it's not December feels odd. Maybe I'm just autistic about my seasonal stuff.

>>10263763
They didn’t release a new Halloween print though, unless you count Holy Rosary. But since AP put crosses on everything I have a hard time believing they see this as a Halloween print (even though it resembles Horror Garden).
Compared to 2018 the Halloween game was weak though.

>>10263801
It’s literally just a horror garden lite, and AP hasn’t been going HAM with the cross trend since last year

holiday collection rerelease when

>>10263818
if they did an mto you would get it during christmas of 2021

>>10263762
Not my thing. I prefer a dress I can wear year-round but also dress up for Christmas. I just picked up Meta's Snowy Rabbit OP in white and it seems perfect for that.

>>10263762
Both of these are amazing but I have the holiday collection jewelry already and the teddy bear looks more versatile. Holiday prints that can be used year round are ideal to me so it isn't a one month only type of dress.

>>10263760
This looks like they're trying to do a BTSSB style print but it doesn't work as well on polyester than that thick cotton Baby uses.

>>10263887
Yeah I see what you mean. AP poly is best reserved for those gauzy dreamy prints like Milky Swan.

(ideally I want cotton everything, but meh.)

>Picture detailing working pockets
>Only highlights how small they are

I'm offended

>>10263895
I feel the same about preferring cotton. It's made me make limit most of my secondhand purchases now a lot of BTSSB when I used to be an AP stan because I dislike the cheap feeling many non cotton/non natural fibers give. Plus the look of certain prints on their chiffon overlay type stuff especially are just disappointing and are hardly better looking than offbrand chiffon.

>>10263944
Yeah I brought up Milky Swan but the print is pretty washed out on the dresses, isn't it? The art is so crisp in the original.

>>10263950
Seriously, why do they print on chiffon? Is it cheaper to produce? Is there some hidden benefit to chiffon that I'm just not comprehending? I've always thought it cheapened the designs it had printed on it. It almost always seems like a downgrade from cotton. Obviously some dresses look better with the draping and flowiness of chiffon, but certainly not as many as AP has been putting out recently.

>>10263955
My understanding is that polyester is cheaper than cotton, or at least, I assume so, because almost all cheap fast fashion crap is made of poly.

The best material to use for that silky effect is, well, silk, but silk is also astronomically expensive when you use that much of it.

>>10263955
They have gone on record stating it is because lolitas in Japan do not have a lot of storage space and chiffon is more space saving than cotton when it comes to storage. They are catering to their home market and give approximately zero shits about the west

>>10263760
The print is really, really cute. It reminds me a lot of their earlier releases. I love the bunnies and the wreaths! But I can't get over the weird polyester fabric they printed this on. It makes it look so cheap and I wish they would go back to the cotton burberry fabric that they used to use.

>>10263973
I wish they did what BTSSB did and just made the dresses unlined cotton

>>10263887
Now that you point it out I totally see it. The poly doesn't look as good because baby's cotton has some texture which makes it look not so weirdly clean and empty the way this does.

>>10263973
>They are catering to their home market and give approximately zero shits about the west
What are AP's global sales like, anyway? I feel like they're high enough these days.

>>10263982
That's a good way to put it. It's especially noticeable on a print with small objects and a lot of empty space, compared to something like Holy Theater that crams stuff into the entire space.

>>10263981
Fuck no, that’d be even worse than what they’re already doing.

>>10263995
Doesn’t matter, they’re still going to listen to their home market over western piggus. That’s just how it goes in JP

>>10263981
Me too. I know anons complain, but baby's cotton gives me life.

>>10263973
catering to china*

>>10264018
Yes that’s why the specifically mentioned the issue of Japanese lolitas storage space.

>>10264020
Who? Where? One company or multiple? You didn't provide any proof

>>10264022
Fucking lurkmoar newfag.

>>10264022
Not that anon, but it has already been mentioned multiple times in conventions and q&a. Just use the archive and find the answers.

>>10264022
I can’t tell if you’re just trolling or if you’re actually struggling this much to keep up with a basic conversation

VM - Lady Bloom Series
Colours:
>Black
>Bordeaux
>Mint

Outer material: Cotton 85%, Linen 15%
Lining: 100% Polyester
-----------------------------------------------------------
Lady Bloom Dress (レディブルームドレス)
Price: 38,880 yen (tax incl.)
Reservation price: 34,992 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 110 cm
Shoulder width: 35 cm
Sleeve length: 61 cm
Bust: 93.5 cm
Waist: 76 cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/194MOP14.html
Note: There are seam pockets on both sides. The dress is slightly low waist.
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Lady Bloom Long Dress (レディブルームロングドレス)
Price: 34,560 yen (tax incl.)
Reservation price: 31,104 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 117 cm
Bust: 88.5 cm
Waist: 73 cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/194MOP15.html
Note: Seam pocket on the right side. The neck ties are removable.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Lady Bloom Bustle Skirt (レディブルームバッスルスカート)
Price: 30,240 yen (tax incl.)
Reservation price: 27,216 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 74 cm
High waist: 73.5 cm (adjustable with corset lacing)
Waist: 71.5 cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/194MSK03.html
Note: Seam pocket on the right side.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Lady Bloom Canotier (レディブルームキャノチェ)
Price: 11,880 yen (tax incl.)
Reservation price: 10,692 yen (tax incl.)

Head circumference: 41 cm
Brim: 4.3 cm (front)
Height: 5.5 cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/194VMH03.html
Note: Has a comb on the inner side.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Reservation date: 9th September, 1000 JST to 6th October 2359 JST

VM - Lady Bloom Series
Colours:
>Black
>Bordeaux
>Mint

Outer material: Cotton 85%, Linen 15%
Lining: 100% Polyester
-----------------------------------------------------------
Lady Bloom Dress (レディブルームドレス)
Price: 38,880 yen (tax incl.)
Reservation price: 34,992 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 110 cm
Shoulder width: 35 cm
Sleeve length: 61 cm
Bust: 93.5 cm
Waist: 76 cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/194MOP14.html
Note: There are seam pockets on both sides. The dress is slightly low waist.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Lady Bloom Long Dress (レディブルームロングドレス)
Price: 34,560 yen (tax incl.)
Reservation price: 31,104 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 117 cm
Bust: 88.5 cm
Waist: 73 cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/194MOP15.html
Note: Seam pocket on the right side. The neck ties are removable.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Lady Bloom Bustle Skirt (レディブルームバッスルスカート)
Price: 30,240 yen (tax incl.)
Reservation price: 27,216 yen (tax incl.)

Length: 74 cm
High waist: 73.5 cm (adjustable with corset lacing)
Waist: 71.5 cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/194MSK03.html
Note: Seam pocket on the right side.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Lady Bloom Canotier (レディブルームキャノチェ)
Price: 11,880 yen (tax incl.)
Reservation price: 10,692 yen (tax incl.)

Head circumference: 41 cm
Brim: 4.3 cm (front)
Height: 5.5 cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/194VMH03.html
Note: Has a comb on the inner side.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Reservation date: 27th September, 1000 JST to 6th October 2359 JST

>>10264035
So does anyone know if this is coming to WW or not? They haven’t posted about it yet.

>>10264038
Scratch that, they just posted them.

>>10263760
That is adorable. I hope it comes in white or red.

>>10263950

unpopular opinion, but I own this and it's one of the prints that looks better washed out, imo.

I mean it's almost a neon mess here, just one fabric choice away from that really bright Meta carnival print that everybody seems to mess up coording. I think at this point they do take into account that the print looks faded when printed onto sheer chiffon, and up the saturation accordingly so that it comes out a pale dreamy image rather than looking like some ADHD kiddy bedsheet that needed bright colours to keep their attention.

I bought mine after seeing it in person, when it came out the print being used as a background image was so garish I was turned off by the bright colours more than anything else. So there's that.

I'm not on the polyester boat with the new Christmas prints though, gonna agree they do look weird so far. Maybe they'll look better in person or something.

>>10263801
Wait for the cat carousel dress.

>>10264037
>everything has pocket(s)
sold

>>10264070
I don't think I've ever found any VM dresses or skirts that have pockets so this is a major step up

>>10264075
Their first release since the revival had pockets in the skirt. Not sure about the preppy check and other series though. They also have those embroidered tags that are really pretty.

oof thats so short on her

>>10264075
it's been going on for a while now. every series since VM's "rebirth" has had main pieces with pockets iirc

>>10263824
There must be that kombucha girl pic like MTO for a print you really like/ It comes in 2050

Do you think they'll ever release their prints as skirts again?

>>10264077
>They also have those embroidered tags that are really pretty.
Agreed, but I kinda miss the simplicity of the old tags

>>10264194
Reminds me of an ETC coat I used to own that randomly had a rabbit embroidered on the inside where the tag normally is.

>>10263955
>>10263964

Gonna add to this, despite what cgl thinks, I think the sales still bears out the polyester dresses. It’s not like AP abruptly switched over to polyester overnight, they were still making cotton releases up until 2016 at least. But even some of what should be staple hits for them like Princess Cat (cats) or True Rose Story (fairytale + roses) kind of sat around in the webshop for a bit longer than you’d think, Mercator re-release even went on sale and AP just stopped making longer jsks entirely.

There’s no reason for AP to stop doing things that bring them money, so if they've been producing both for a while and then slowly switch over to more and more polyester, I think they have sales data that tells them their buyers either care more about the print or don't care about poly vs cotton at all, so it's logical to make the switch towards poly.


>>10263995

The thing about western AP lolitas is they frequently buy secondhand, so even if you see a lot of them and it's the most popular brand, it doesn't necessarily translate towards the western market being a bigger segment for AP to care about. Besides, I'm not really sure anything can beat the China market right now, the nouveau riche there seem to have taken up lolita as some kind of showing off competition so they're just falling all over themselves to keep buying the latest and biggest dresses to show off.

>>10264221
>the nouveau riche there seem to have taken up lolita as some kind of showing off competition

Does anyone know how this came about? Like it seems to have suddenly become almost mainstream. I live in a city that gets extremely heavy rich Chinese tourist traffic and way more than I would ever expect have come over wearing lolita (lots of JetJ especially). It's bizarre to me that it's caught on so much.

>>10264237
China has an absolutely huge population, a cultural emphasis on femininity in women, and is right next to Japan. It kind of figures that there'd be a massive market waiting there.
As to how it took off, I don't know.

>>10264215
Holy shit, this is gorgeous.

>>10264215
https://atelier-pierrot.jp/pg563515.html

Had to search for it. But wow that is tempting.

>>10264237

There's a popular singer that sang a song about a "spoiled princess". The girl in the music video wore some old school milanope-tier dress (and the song was about how spoiled she was, iirc). Seems to have caught some people's imagination and it slowly spread from there. The MV got posted on cgl but no one was really into watching weibo or chinese lolitas way back then so no one cared.

Probably also helps that by then lolita was kinda out of the old school rebellion phase and getting into the artloli fantasy princess phase (which does look uppity and fancy). The thing with a lot of lolita is, it's expensive, but it's also affordable, so if you want to feel expensive, it's easy for someone who isn't totally fuerdai-tier to get into (unlike 5-digit luxury-brand handbags). While at the same time, there's a lot of things about lolita where you can point at this trim or that fabric and go "this is high quality and special, this is why this dress costs a lot and that's why I'm spending a shitton to buy it". So it's easy to find people who can afford it, and who think the dress is worth it.

Besides, with the size of China, you only need a small percentage of the population and it becomes a large number. If less than 1% of the population likes lolita, that's still something like 5 thousand people, pretty much a small army. And if they all like the same brand, chances are they all want to take vacations in the same city, hence you're seeing a lot of them in your city.

>>10263902
hahaha that's terrible. sorry anon

I am so sick of people who are clearly still noobs using the middle sister tag in the Big Sisters of Lolita group and giving out shit advice. It's the blind leading the blind and any good advice from seasoned lolitas is drowned out by the BS. I swear every thread is "it's ok to wear these shit shoes or crappy blouse", "yes, its cute", "you can make this horrid thing work in lolita if you try". I love actually helping the noobs who are trying. Telling them these things is not help, but any real help I being pushed aside and it's just discouraging to keep trying.

Don't even get me started at little sisters giving advice, but at least they properly tag themselves so you can easily disregard their comments.

>>10264307
yes!! this is so upsetting, i feel so bad when an noob gets misleading advice from other noobs masquerading as middle sisters

>>10264275
Why did you have to search for it? The brand is in the filename.

>>10264173
Those boots are to die for! Pity my gaijin feet will never fit

>>10264037
Oh FUCK YES

>>10264307
A suggestion to the big sisters mod team as I’m sure one of them is reading this: I know being a BS needs to be approved, and I know it might be a bit much to make MS be approved as well, but might be nice to post some suggestions (as an announcement and as a new rule) on what qualifies one to use the MS tag. Granted there will still be some idiot middle sisters but I think this would help cut down on the amount of inexperienced lolitas misusing the MS tag and giving out poor advice.

>>10264386
Because it wasn't posted by na+H. It was posted by atelier pierrot quite a while ago in their feed.

Anyone own the famous maple ringlet wig and have advice for maintaining its shape? I got one and some of the curls got really tangled after a couple wears. It’s also not heat resistant so I can’t just recurl it either. I’ve purchased a second one, so now I’m just trying to figure out how to make sure it doesn’t get super fucked up. Should I just spray it with a ton of hairspray?

>>10264284
I'm not sure that that was the origin, but here's the MV in question, in case anyone is interested

https://youtu.be/S-p4gXbIifo

>>10264307
>>10264522

If the middle sisters tag needs no approval, shouldn't it be common sense not to listen to them then?

I mean it makes sense to me that if people can prove they have the experience and want to give advice, they'd just get approved as big sisters. If it's a tag that needs no approval and some rando's just taken it on to make themselves not seem new then they've got some sort of ego problem going on.

>>10264703
A lot of noobs have an idea in their head that they can make grandma's nightgown / hot topic gloves / poorly sewn handmade / party City wig / insert common object / etc. work for lolita and are looking for people to agree with them. If enough crappy opinions are given to support these bad choices, they'll ignore the experienced lolitas. Or even worse, the middle sisters will argue with the big sisters. Middle and little sisters tend to vouch for lolita resellers of shady repute with anecdotal evidence (someone I know used it and it was fine!) rather than someone who has heard more reviews and has broader experience.

>>10264728

To be honest when they've already spent the money/can't actually afford to be the hobby there's a level of stubbornness I think no one can really argue with, middle sister or no. Some of them kinda need to experience failure before they realise all loliable paths have already been walked by plenty of itas before them and they're not that special or unique.

I guess to be honest I can't really figure out the middle sister tag if it's self-selected. Or maybe I'm just old and jaded, it's automatic for me to think anyone who self-elected as an expert with no actual credentials to back themselves up is just full of BS.

I can see where you're coming from with the group touting itself as an advice/mentoring group though. Maybe they should just get rid of the middle sister tag altogether, or at least make it clearer that only big sisters are actually approved and proven to have enough lolita background to give solid advice.

>>10264597
If you can't use heat tools you're going to have to use boiling water and rollers.

I bought a Meta LP fancy egg skirt on the cheap. Previous owner discounted it heavily for me because of a stain. She's stated it was a grass stain and has never attempted to remove it.

I've used a stain remover spray to pre-treat it and then washed it on a delicate cycle but it isn't budging. Any advice would be appreciated.

>>10264882
did you try a paste of oxyclean? let it sit for a long time, but of course, test it before just slathering it right on. I've never had a stain I couldn't remove with oxy. sometimes it seems like the stain is still there right after, but once I wash the entire garment and dry it, it's not visible/

>>10264884
Seconding Oxyclean. I put that shit on everything.

>>10264884
>>10264887
Thanks! I'm UK based so I'll buy their equivalent over here and try a paste

>>10264215

>>10264884
>>10264887
How long do you let it sit? Do you let the paste dry, or rewet it...?

>>10264307
Its fucking unreal how many anons come here and still don't get that the reasoning behind one person thinking something looks good and another person thinking something looks bad is because IT IS SUBJECTIVE.

>>10264237
>Does anyone know how this came about?
I do. Its called seeing something you like and buying it because you have the money to do so whenever you want. It's truly that simple.

>>10264746
Ah yes, just what we need, feeding the egos of a circlejerk so everyone cowtows to people with their heads so far up their asses everything that isn't to their patricular taste is shit.

Have a backbone, will you?

>>10264728
>>10265055
>>10264746
>To be honest when they've already spent the money/can't actually afford to be the hobby there's a level of stubbornness I think no one can really argue with

'Lolitas' like this almost remind me of 'goths' who insist that you don't have to like the music to be one. I wish that more people would realise that it's okay to NOT be a goth/lolita/whatever subculture if they aren't interested in what it actually is. Hopefully the newbies who get bad advice eventually realise their mistakes and grow to love the fashion for what it is. All we can really do is give them honest, helpful advice and not indulge the know it all itas who are too stubborn to hear it.

FB group aside, things like this are why I'm glad we have this place. Yes there are larpers but there are many lolitas on here who give honest advice that you won't get anywhere else.Gulls don't sugarcoat when a coord is bad or when certain shops or sellers are scalpers/overpriced/generally scammy. Once I met a lolita irl who literally thought that every brand item ever costs $400 and would buy print replicas than google how to use closet child. I tried to help her but it made me die inside a bit knowing how lost some lolitas are and they just take bad advice from people on FB groups.

>>10264746
So your logic is to water down the BS tag? They never seem to post and MS is not pretending to be an expert, just saying you have a certain amount of time actually wearing the fashion

>>10264998
okay, I'm dumb, but what is this about?

>>10264831
That makes sense, though I’m still unsure about how to maintain the wig to prevent it from getting tangled in the first place.

>>10263950
AP should release Milky Swan in a brilliant color series.

>>10264284
5k of of a billion would be more like 0.0005%

>>10265213
Replied to wrong anon, meant to reply to 5k anon, ignore me

>>10265067
The most cringeworthy post I've ever seen stated that brand is overrated and rightfully dying out, and there are much better taobao alternatives.
It was on reddit. It had several upvotes.
The poster's comment history indicated they weren't even a lolita, just a larping poorfag.

If someone is selling an accessory for a set that's pretty unpopular, but they're selling it for like $40, would it be rude to make an offer for something more reasonable, like $20? It's a 2012 piece that isn't very popular now and she's selling it for brand new prices.

>>10265246
If it is in good condition that's fair. Sometimes though people are silly and expect visibly used pieces to sell for new prices, claiming "I paid X amount and I want to make all of that back" with no regard for what the item is worth/what people will pay based on rarity. Charging more for rarity is annoying though desu. People rarely buy it if it is priced too high above original price with shipping.

>>10265249
It is in good condition, but the same condition that any headbow that hasn't been worn much for 7 years would be. So $40 seems a bit much because it's not all that popular. But I really don't want to seem rude or stingy, so maybe I should give it a miss.

>>10265246
I would offer $30. As a seller I'd be offended if someone offered 50% off but 20-25% is reasonable

I'm a noob sweet lolita (ex-classic) and none of the pinks in my current wardrobe match ...

>>10265254
No1curr

>>10265246
Id tell you to go fuck yourself if you actually messaged me wanting to pay half of what I had an item listed for

>>10265257
Yeah $40 for a headbow that hasn't been worn too many times isn't too high. Especially if it was $40 original before accounting for inflation if it is older. Anon can make an offer if they accept them but the seller has the right to refuse the offer. I always offer $5-$10 less than what I'm actually willing to pay for small items because sellers will often just say they refuse to go lower than your max price if you ever let them know what your max budget is. If it is unlikely to be bought better to just make it seem as if you are unwilling or unable to go higher and they'll be accommodating (within reason) if they really want to get rid of the item.

Clearly the original anon wants the headbow though so it can't be that unpopular or they wouldn't buy it at all.

>>10265254
I'm in the same boat but none of my wine/bordeaux pieces are the same shade. Something's always slightly redder or slightly darker, etc.

>>10265249
I always put things on lacemarket for the price I paid. Yeah, sometimes that's much higher than market price, but sometimes it's much lower than market price. If it doesn't sell, I take it to a swap meet and let it go for the first offer I get.

>>10265254
Colors never match. Not even within the same brand

>>10265304
Sometimes not even in the same series.

>>10265221
>brand is overrated and rightfully dying out
Jesus, why are so many larpers so bitter against brand. It's not anywhere near as exclusive and expensive as they make it out to be but they are so stubborn. A lot of bigger girls have this attitude too. The girl I met invited me to join their comm but I'm hesitant to since they all seem to be bodyline/replicafags who think brand is outlandishly expensive and anyone who buys it is stupid and I don't want to be seen as elitist just because I know how to use google and read basic japanese.

It seems like a lot of the girls on reddit especially are just really young and lost but have a genuine interest in the fashion, then some bitter poorfag larper goes and tells them that all brand ever is too expensive/too small/too unattainable when it's really just not. It's 2019, a lot of brands ship directly and the secondhand market is huge. Wunderwelt carries a ton of new and used brand and is completely in english. There's no excuse to have a closet full of print replicas/shit from aliexpress and amazon anymore but a lot of new lolitas think we are still in the dark ages because they get given shit advice. Even if they wear taobao they use the first reseller they can find and get scammed, even when others are willing to help them order directly.

It's depressing, but it makes me even more relieved I waited until I was older to wear lolita and found this place. Otherwise I'd probably have a closet full of cheap crap too while longingly gazing at dream dresses I was told were impossible.

>>10265389
>read basic japanese
most of them probably can't even read English all that well

>>10265389
Yeah, I don't get it. You can get really nice $80-100 brand dresses on lacemarket. Sure you aren't gonna get the world's most popular print, but it's easier to start simple anyway.

>It's depressing, but it makes me even more relieved I waited until I was older to wear lolita and found this place. Otherwise I'd probably have a closet full of cheap crap too while longingly gazing at dream dresses I was told were impossible.
It took me over 10 years to start wearing lolita from the time I was first interested in it. I feel like my wardrobe is way more cohesive and high-quality than it would have been if I had started buying pieces earlier, because I spent time developing my general sense of aesthetics and learning how to buy stuff from Japan/read katakana and hiragana (I also collect merch, so I got lots of practice from that).

I distinctly remember wanting to buy these crappy "lolita" dresses from Etsy when I was 15, and I'm so very glad I didn't.

secrets

very nice!

>>10265071

It sounds more like the middle and little sisters are simply circlejerking themselves into being itas, to be honest.

I mean you can complain nobody's making chocolate cake so you had to eat the jello you found on the floor, but that doesn't magically transform the trash floor jello into chocolate cake, yanno? The big sisters not posting is its whole own issue (why aren't they posting? Is the group being to overrun by itas arguing back? Is the tag so worthless nobody tries to be a big sister anymore? Is it FB algorithm not showing the posts to big sisters?) -- but that doesn't change that newbies trying to give each other advice is kinda a pretty dodgy way to run an advice group.

>>10265389

Went through this phase myself. Funny thing is, I bought brand when I lost weight. Then gained weight, am even heavier than I used to be. And still fit a lot of brand.Straight up wish someone had told me up front there's brand that would've fit me when I started, save me the trouble of wasting money on replicas/taobao.

Mind you, I have even bigger friends and I recognise that some of them still won't fit (one of them has a fridge-shaped body that really doesn't look good in lolita, period), but I've discovered the threshold for fitting into and looking decent in brand is actually pretty high.

Maybe anons can post here when one of those reddit posts turn up and we can all go downvote the comments talking about brand being too small or too expensive. Half the time I swear you're dealing with a larper that has no intention of getting into lolita but just wants attention by whining about stuff.

>>10263887
Agree. It would lend to the nostalgic feels than cross obsessed poly printed dresses

>>10265404
Even flavour of the month prints don't retain their value forever. I can probably count on one hand the few that will. Newbies all act like AP is some holy grail brand that's totally unattainable in price/quality/size because it's just.. not. I've found a lot of cute solids and florals for like $80 each and they're some of my most versatile dresses. Baby is really easy to find deals too. Maybe moitiefags have a harder time but it's not impossible like they think.

>I feel like my wardrobe is way more cohesive and high-quality than it would have been if I had started buying pieces earlier, because I spent time developing my general sense of aesthetics and learning how to buy stuff from Japan/read katakana and hiragana
Me too. I was about 12 or 13 when I first heard of lolita, I always wanted to wear it but I didn't start until I was 16 or 17. I'm about to turn 20 now and I'm really happy with the wardrobe I've built for myself these past few years. It's not huge and if I started earlier I would have more, but I can also guarantee that I'd have a ton of unwanted replicas/bodyline/regretsy shit I don't wear and would be desperate to get rid of. Now I have a better grasp of quality, what suits me and what I can practically wear etc. so it's better that I started later.

>>10265442
>Straight up wish someone had told me up front there's brand that would've fit me when I started
I'm thin but always wished someone told me a few years back Moitie doesn't actually all have an 82cm bust their stuff is actually too big for me lol

>Maybe anons can post here when one of those reddit posts turn up and we can all go downvote the comments talking about brand being too small or too expensive.
I think not long ago a few gulls discussed sort of 'taking over' the subreddits but it all seemed like a lost cause. It's just a vicious cycle of lost teenage weebs getting bad advice from larpers and itas.

>>10265442

I'm not talking about taking over the sub, I think most gulls don't have the attention span for watching that reddit sub, it moves even slower than cgl and I swear it has the most inane newbies.

I'm saying if someone reports here when one of those whiney posts show up we can just go over and downvote the larper comments. Making an account is free, and I kind of expect cgl gulls to have throwaway emails anyway, probably works better than trying to "take over" the sub.

Moitie did us all wrong never listing correct measurements, I only found out that some of their releases that I really loved would've fit me, after the dresses are already sold out, gone and hard to find. The one thing I appreciate about new Moitie, at least they're listening to feedback and now list measurements correctly.

>>10265530 meant for >>10265484, sorry

New Violet Fane prints - I am in love.

>>10265544

>>10265530
I get what you mean, it's just that downvoting probably isn't enough to teach them that their advice isn't good, especially if they're upvoted by their echo chamber with no actual conversation. Itas are stubborn and a lot of them seem really young, so honest criticism and advice could just fall on deaf ears even if gulls don't out themselves.

A lot of them just don't seem to bother doing the research either. For me that was the fun part, getting to learn all about the fashion but a lot of them don't know any brands besides AP from the looks of it. Some of the first posts I can see on there are 'what is taobao' 'can you get lolita gym clothes' 'can you wear lolita if you have brown skin' etc. It's depressing that this is the new blood we have.

I just wish there was a place that was more upfront and actually helpful to newbies, especially the lost teenagers who are genuinely interested and will probably just give up forever seeing the fashion as an overpriced, unattainable costume. I've met girls like this irl too who think I'm some kind of super brave millionaire for being able to wear the fashion daily and I just don't understand why.

>Moitie
God how I wish I bought up all the Moitie a few years ago before the 'gothic renaissance' things would've been so much cheaper/easier to obtain and they totally would've fit! Now ironically I don't even buy new Moitie because I practically swim in it. I've just given up on the brand in terms of new stuff at least.

>>10265559

Actually the side bar does link to some beginner newb articles, and there's a stickied Ask Us Anything up at the moment -- which is where some of the stupider questions should go. I guess if you feel it's needed, maybe pm one of the active mods to sticky the sidebar info as a welcome post for newbies? (I'm not a mod, I merely joined reddit when someone posted that sub a while back. I actually started reading reddit for Nosleep stories so I know where the sidebars are because people keep mentioning them on nosleep).

Anyhow.
That's what I mean by inane newbies. The info is there if they looked at the sidebar, or if they have stupid questions the Ask Us Anything thread would probably have answered it, and also I just can't take that one person asking about gym clothes seriously, it sounded too much like a callback to old egl drama. There's really no bottom to human stupidity, if you want to welcome newbies, this is what newbies look like. Even egl in its heyday had its share of stupid posts, cgl isn't spared either (here we just call the posters newfags and then thread derails).

I actually think if gulls want to start correcting the incorrect info it would help counteract the newbie echo chamber, but if they find that too much effort at least a down/upvote would still help reduce the echo chamber.

>Moitie

Eh, just let it ride out for another 7 years, the trends shift and older things start being cheap again. I'm mainly sad I never bought that $100 Moitie dress -- it wouldn't have fit, but I think I could've flipped it for $300 now since everybody's thirsty for Moitie.

>>10265544
>>10265545
I guess the prints are kinda nice, but everything looks so unevenly gathered and wonky...

>>10265544

Just got those tights and I'm really happy about them! I may go also for the skirt, they're really nice and comfy.

>>10265289
That seems like a silly way to do things.

>>10265544
Im getting the tights but im too short for the skirt...if only it was like the magic town skirt. Im getting at least one pin too.

>>10265592
I don't care. I sell to tidy my closet and because it makes me sad to see lolita pieces unworn. Not to make money. If I have to let it go for less than I paid for, I like giving it to a comm member who was looking for a good deal and pays whatever it was worth to her in that moment.

>>10265545
I love that 99% of her releases are perfect for Halloween

>>10265545
Skirt is cute. How thin is the material with VF? Looks like cheap Taobao printing from here desu

>>10265721
I hope this helps, i had to crop it a lot to post it so you cant see the inner layer. Really wish she used the thicker fabric again since where i live is cold as hell.

>>10265545
I adore this and I adore the straps, but sometimes about the quality just looks ...off

>>10265790
Probably because it's missing any kind of trim or detail besides the cool belt. It's just a basic dress.

>>10263762
I have Lady Sloth's Winter Spices, and I like it because it's seasonal, but doesn't read as a specific holiday.

>>10265544
I like her collages a lot, but the construction its usually bad. My comm sold a lot of dresses from her last release bc they look ridiculously wonky. I'm still very tempted tho...

>>10265790
Well her pricing is a lot cheaper than other lolita indie brands

any coupon codes for ww? I fucked up and missed their 10% one that finished yesterday

Do any gulls have a source on Moitie losing the original iron gate print file? I swear i read it somewhere, but i can't find it anywhere online

>>10265884
I think they said so at sakuracon.. maybe search the archives for that thread

>>10265067
If you don't like any of the music, you're not a fucking goth.

>>10265904
are you 15?

>>10265904
That's my point. Same as how you can't be a lolita if you don't actually wear the fashion. None of this 'anything can be lolita if you try really hard to make it work' bullshit is helpful advice to give to newbies. They just end up fucking up and wasting their time/money on stuff that looks bad.

Some of them improve but for every decent lolita who went through an 'ita phase' and eventually learnt to dress well there's probably 10 bitter larpers/itas who are too stubborn and lazy to learn how to do the fashion right. If you don't wear lolita, you aren't a lolita.

>>10265896
thanks, found something about it in an old thread!

>>10265911
I wasn't disagreeing with you

>>10265916
I just don't get people's need to be part of a subculture that they don't even like.

>>10265904

How would you describe someone who aesthetically has the goth look with all black all the time and other aspects but not neccesarily deeply a fan of the music?

>>10265884
They were asked at Sakuracon and they said there will never be another iron gate as it was hand drawn and the OG file was corrupted and lost.
Source: I was there

>>10265940
I’ve read the term darkly inclined for someone who would probably considered “goth” by normies, but doesn’t listen to the music.

>>10265792
Yeah I guess if it had a strip of lace at the bottom I'd really be into it. Maybe I could sew it on?

>>10265940
Alternative? Darkly inclined? or jut a person who likes black

JetJ - Flowers In A Vase Coat
60,000 yen (not incl. tax)
>https://twitter.com/J_et_J/status/1178957943762341888?s=19

>>10263760
I AM BUYING THIS. NEED.

>>10265940
See >>10265918
Why label yourself if the label doesn't fit?

>>10265940
Alternative would probably be the easiest, since "darkly inclined" is a bit of a mouthful.
Either way, if you don't listen to and enjoy the music, you're not a goth. Just like not listening to and enjoying metal music but still wearing the "uniform" wouldn't make you a metalhead.

>>10266068
Well frankly, none of y'all are lolitas if you don't listen to visual kei.

>>10266070
I know this is a shitpost but I unironically agree with this

>>10266045
This doesn't look warm

>>10266045

I like this but I don't 60000 yen like this, sry.

>>10266070
I might be completely wrong, but didn't "lolita" to describe the early versions of this fashion come up independently from visual-kei? Like it was first and foremost a fashion style and then later on people started wearing it to visual-kei shows, but it's not a style that sprung up BECAUSE of the music? I think I read that AP and BTSSB have been around for a long time and then Mana came around and popularized, but he didn't start it or anything.

If that's not the case, then that's fair. I'd personally be completely fine just calling it "Japanese fashion" or something and being completely rid of the ~problematic~ "lolita" label forever.

>>10266091
If you look at 80’s idols you can find lolita style dresses. Girls like Wink were called lolita because of their clothing and frowning faces, tho they only started in year 1988. Mizuno Aoi debuted in the 90’s and some of her clothes are almost excatly like old-school lolita. If anything I believe idols were the base for sweet lolita fashion and pretty sure Baby and Pretty stores sold clothes like these first. Gothic lolita probably started from copying VK band looks but even Ootsuki Kenji from King Show told how much he liked when their fans were wearing Pink House at their live shows.

>>10265074
>okay, I'm dumb, but what is this about?
usually it says silence ita, idk if they gave up halfway through making this meme or what

>girl in my comm who is popular on Instagram makes a secondhand sales post
>everything is at retail or barely cheaper (like less than $10 off retail)
>people in my comm are buying her shit bc omg she wore it!!!!!

I wish i wasn’t in a comm full of retards

>>10266164
Take it to the feels thread no1 here curr

There's some items I'm watching on LaceMarket that have no price and don't show up on the users' profiles as something they're selling. However, when this happened to me before I would click on the listing and I would get a "This item has been deleted" message but I'm not getting it now. Anyone else experiencing this? Is it a glitch of some sort or is there now such a thing as hidden (but available) listings?

>>10266174
It means it's been deleted, lm does that now. Or maybe it's been drafted. But it's not available. I message the sellers to see if they're still selling it when that's happening to me

>>10265389
i recently watched a wardrobe 2018 post on you tube and the lolita said it’s ok to buy replicas if you’re going to alter it. this must be a common misconception.

>>10263950
I actually liked this one in the chiffon. It gave the print a more dreamy kind of feel to it.
A girl in my comm owns it and its a lot nicer in person.

>>10266259
I feel like I vaguely remember seeing this too but I don't remember who it was. If my local comm is full of people like that I don't really want to be a part of it.

>>10265940
you're goth. the normies are gonna say you're goth so just say goth. anyone who gets hung up on you not listening to obscure 80s goth music is an idiot.

>>10266070

This brings up a tangent. I'm curious if there's goth groups that are purely fashion-based the way most lolita groups are?

I've been called goth (half my closet is Moitie and I have a couple of MM songs on my playlist, apparently that's enough), but I wouldn't give myself the label, every group I've found wants to talk about some really weird stuff -- if it's not the music then cemeteries, evanescence, sharing bad writing, or some other weird stuff. Just wondering if there's ever a group where people just talk about dressing up like they're living the Dracula lifestyle but without the whole "I like vampires let's roleplay" shtick.

>>10266371
This.

>>10266371
The normies are going to call you "a freak who has a fetish for dressing up like a little girl" when you wear lolita, does that mean you should just accept that label too? It's one thing if you're not going to bother arguing with them but why would you go and willingly call yourself that later on when you know it's false?
I'm not sure why everybody is so eager to claim the goth label for themselves when it just doesn't apply to them, do people think it makes for automatic cool points or something?

Off Topic but be careful, scalpers on lacemarket are selling holy lantern replicas for $300..

>>10266496
Just saw the white one...wow, that's such an obvious replica, too!

>>10265575
agree, it's always that thin ugly material that shows like every fold of ur petti because it's so thin, and they never add anything to the hem.

>>10265940
Not a Goth, that's for sure. Goth is a music subculture

>>10265940
Someone going through a phase

Going to visit Vegas later in the year and was just wondering if there are any good venues or attractions that are lolita aesthetic? I already know of the Bellagio flower conservatory, but not sure if they have any fancy places that aren't buffets or steakhouses.

>>10266539
Not them but I'm definitely not going through a phase. I'm just into dark aesthetics and other dark/macabre things.

Goth music just isn't my jam. I enjoy regular rock more.

>>10266648
And there's nothing wrong with that. It just doesn't make you goth.

>>10266496
>>10266507
Are they not required to say it's a replica in the description?

>>10266700
They’re not allowed to sell them at all.

>>10266496
Is the lavender one a replica too? I added it to my watchlist but then saw the fucking weibo URL

Well it's here if you want it.

>>10266861
Does /cgl/ think this will be a bloodbath?
https://www.strawpoll.me/18732104

>>10266861
This is ugly as fuck and one of the worst AP releases in the history of AP. It’ll probably still sell out thanks to tasteless nouveau riche chinklitas though.

>>10266861
>>10266889
I think it’s actually cute. Cats are chonky (!) and I like Risa’s outfit with fur headdress. Still bothered with crosses and BDSMish harnessing tho, but I think it’s nice overall. I’d like to see some worn photos of special set.

>>10266732
There's a white one that's a set, where the bows have pictures but not the dress itself.

>>10266375
>evanescence

Remember this lolita that had a photoshoot with usakumyas to announce her pregnancy?

>>10266919
She gave birth recently.

AP Dummy-chan is not here anymore. The era is gone.

>>10266919
Is she e-famous or a model or something? I'm not familiar with her.
Either way it's good to hear she gave birth safely. I always find it interesting when lolitas become mothers because I wonder how they'll balance the lolita lifestyle with the demands and expectations of being a mother.

>>10266964
Lolita is a fashion, not a lifestyle. Some people say they're lifestyle lolitas but to me that seems like people who just are really into their hobby/having cute things around them/shopping for lolita stuff or wear it daily. There is probably more to it but those are all things you could easily do and still have a child. And as a mother you can wear whatever you want? She will just likely wear less expensive clothes when caring for the baby so it doesn't spit up or pee on her brand.

>>10266964
Clearly they surround the kid in kumyas in order to initiate them into the lolita lifestyle from birth.

>>10266964
Honestly as a lolita with a full-time job I think it'd be much easier to fit the fashion around being a stay-at-home mom. As >>10266977
says, you can wear whatever you want (aside from infant vomit risk I guess) and most older lolitas aren't as into attending every single comm meetup so I don't think it would interfere too much.

>>10266977
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I've just seen enough discussions on the topic that I know a mother wearing lolita may be perceived negatively around neighbors, teachers, other moms etc. due to the flashiness of the style (unless it's something like toned down classic).

>>10265940
Gothic. The term darkly inclined is so fucking dumb and pretentious.

>>10265940
>>10266984
To add to that, goth or gothic fashion isn't necessarily all black all the time

Why did the CoF thread die? I always enjoyed getting comments on my outfits from here that weren't just the default "cute!"

>>10266987
A lot of people have been complaining about how ita cof has gotten, so maybe it's that?

>>10266987
the CoF thread got run over with roleplayers so all the real lolita commentors left

>>10266991
This whole board has been a bit strange these past weeks / months.

>>10266987
We had like three going and none saged so I think anons didn't want to create another. Feel free though, I also like viewing and occasionally concrit

>>10266987
I think it's a combination of a lot of uninteresting coords (and also the fact that there's just SO many of them now, I'm sure that's not easy to dump) and stupid unrelated posts.
I think we should just stick to dumping coords that might generate discussion, so either the really bad or really good ones. There's too many outfits in these past threads that have no replies and are just taking up space.

>>10267013
>either the really bad or really good ones. T
The really bad should be in the ita thread, and the really good will leave room for a lot of random bickering and wk, I guess. Not to mention the self posts and flame we will get from our personal all preferences.

>>10264173
Are they seriously copying the infamous VW heart jacket? That’s cheap

>>10267013
Please no? Some gulls don't have fb and enjoy seeing them all. This is an image posting board. They'll auto sage if they aren't bumped, so it doesn't really matter. Make a new thread.

>>10267035
Well as it stands literally nothing is being posted so it's not like it'd make things worse for you.

Why not have a waywt thread like effay

>>10267068
Everyone hates everyone else here

>>10267026
Obviously. They are not claiming it's their own original idea. Harajuku brands openly "copy" Vivienne Westwood all the time for some reason.

>>10267068
mods killed them when they existed because they were "too off-topic".

>>10267068
Because it's been nothing but drama and bitching.

It's also the reason why we can't have ig threads and I hate it. IG has better content than closet of shit, but it always gets overtaken by RPers who want to ruin a good time.

>>10267068
>waywt
what?

>>10267112
What are you wearing today

>>10267108
It was mostly because people posted normie outfits and the ones who did wear j-fashion used the thread as an ask-blog. All the drama was about tripfag sperging (mostly about spoony). Maybe we can try again, it has been at least 5 years since then.
I'm butthurt about not being able to have a civil IG thread too, though.

>>10266920
I saw only this pic and just thought damn, talk about being born with a silver spoon in your mouth, this baby gets $100 stuffed toys.

But now I realize she probably only gave it to the baby for the photoshoot.

>>10267116
Wtf why are you asking me that freak

>>10267126
I really hope you're being sarcastic.
WAYWT = what are you wearing today.
AKA outfit of the day posts.

>>10267118
I get the rationale behind anonymity, but maybe it's time to revive livejournal style discussion. It's easy enough to make a messageboard these days.

>>10267131
You're a creep for wanting to know what i'm wearing when I don't even know you.

>>10267151
I'm explaining the meaning of the acronym, you dolt.

>>10267151
>>10267126
Are you slow anon? They're literally just answering your question

>>10267155
It's bait, don't worry about it

>>10266964
I don’t get it, wearing lolita is no more difficult than just getting really dressed up for a special occasion. Having a baby wouldn’t make dressing up in lolita anymore difficult than wearing any kind of other dressy outfit.

>>10266495
In the case of goth, there is no harm being done with someone who isn’t into goth music calls themself goth. It’s just easier to accept the label in that case. Someone thinking lolita is freaky fetish stuff is actually harmful.

>>10267136
Good luck getting anyone other that 5 people to use it

>>10267118
To be fair. We still have self post threads but the only ones brave enough to utilize it are usually cosplayers.

If you're as concerned about sissies buying your dresses as I am, user Lee Newsum on LM is one.
This isn't doxxing because that's what he uses as his public username. He's banned from all the UK comms for predatory behaviour and being a fetishist.

>>10267202
damn details about what got him banned??

>>10267203
Creeping on girls, specifically underage. Apparently he tried making a stink at a London comm gathering at the last HJ too, but there's a long litany of offenses.

>>10266980
underrated post

>>10266920
>all that shit in the crib
hope she only put it in to take the photo

>>10266964
I believe she is a model for Baby.

>>10267118
>>10267197
I would use it. Message boards are the perfect balance between anonymity and actually being able to form friendships.

>>10267068
I'd post in a /cgl/ waywt thread. /fa/ is hostile to people who wear jfashion.

>>10267251
>I'd post in a /cgl/ waywt thread.
Do you post in the self post thread then?

> /fa/ is hostile to people who wear jfashion.
I've heard this a lot but to be fair, we have our own board so why is anyone wearing jfash over there and trying to force it when they're just for western fast fashion anyway?

That's like some moron coming here with fucking Lazy Oaf and Dollskill shit on expecting us to praise them.

>>10267230
That's great but do you realize there's always someone like you in these threads whenever someone recommends the new place to go for this shit - and you know how it ends?

like 5 - 10 people, maybe 20, use the fuck out of it until they get bored and it dies.
Or it's just extremely slow all the time like most discords are for this shit.

again. good luck.

>>10266964
She used to work for Baby the Stars Shine bright as a shop girl. I don’t know if she still does. It used to be the standard in Japan that women would leave the company once they get married, in order to be a successful housewife. She has a room full of Lolita, but I did see her post that she was wondering how it would all change when she becomes a mother. I hope she continues to wear the style, it is always lovely to see her coords!

>>10267263
This is a strangely hostile response to me saying I’d use another board because maybe I could make friends there

>>10267161
Honestly, people also think goth is a freaky fetish/cult thing, so there's not much difference there... And that's why I'm saying, I get if you're not going to bother arguing when a normie keeps insisting you're goth, but why would you, outside of that interaction, use that label for yourself if it doesn't apply to you?
It may not seem like such a big deal, but goth has such a bad rep in part because of people that adopt the label just because they think it makes them look cool and edgy without knowing or caring what the subculture is really about, and they go and do the stereotypically negative things normies associate with the culture which in turn makes all goths look bad.
We reject girls who are "lolitas at heart" and who do shit like be openly into ddlg because that's not what lolita is about and we don't want that to become the face of our little subculture. It's the same thing with goth, people police it because it's about the music and they want it to remain about the music.
It's not hard to just... not call yourself something you're not.

>>10266861
Black x grey colorway is actually pretty great, anon is too harsh on them.

>>10267026
Nothing new. Jane Marple has been doing it for decades. It's just a really popular design.

>>10267221
I mean, most mothers learn very quickly not to leave anything they don't want ruined by body fluids near a baby. I bet she waited until the kid was sleeping and put the toys in there to get a cute photo and took them straight back out.

>>10267415
Nayrt but it looked bad irl. The print looks like it has no detail.

I shall admit, MM’s outfit and hair is on point in her latest video. I kinda get it why would Imai Kira do her portrait.

I am tired of all of the good Axes Femme items on Closet Child ending up on Nostique's Lacemarket/Kei Market a few days later. She sells coats of 2000 yen for 85 euro.

>>10267155
kek how does this style of trolling still work in 2019, COME ON anon

>>10267365
ahhh newfags

nayrt but we've seen this play out like 50 times now, but I'm sure you're special enough to do it anon! now go away.

>>10267458

I thought you said Mary Magdalene and I was really hopeful.

>>10267365
You read a tone in my post that wasn't there. But yea, what >>10267585 said.

I've seen this over and over. Always the same outcome. Unless you've got a new social network up your sleeve, you're not gonna get anywhere.

>>10267585
>>10267652

Are you both okay? I’m not the person who suggested making the board. I replied to them to say if it existed, I would be interested in use it. I don’t have grand social media tycoon dreams, I’m literally just saying it could be nice to have a username-based discussion board for lolita if someone else wants to make one

>>10267262
>Do you post in the self post thread then?
No because that thread is for cosplayers but you knew that already.

So are the overseas branches of AP not getting the Magical Amulet and Holy Lantern cutsew OPs? They're usually a little behind the JP releases but I'm starting to lose hope, especially now that a bunch of HL are popping up for resale.

>>10267678
It explicitly stated it was JP only dumbass

Anyone getting this? I hardcore love it but the price is so steep.

>>10267734
I’m sorry but this looks like ass to me.

>>10267734
I love meta and their crazy shit, but I agree with the other anon. It looks bad in the pics.

>>10266861
dropping in 2 mins anyyone getting?
im gonna try

>>10267734
Why does meta always look so cheap and nasty? Or is it just their stock photos that are terrible?

>>10267750
Got it!

>>10267750
i tried with 4 cards and none of them work.. kept getting an error
guess i'll get it when it drops on ap usa

>>10264037
This is so beautiful, my wallet is crying already and I’m right there with it. Oh, VM, how I’ve missed you!!

>>10267743
>>10267744
>>10267753
Y'know I'm still glad I posted it, because my poor taste might have made a mistake and bought it

>>10265940
What about someone who’s into the literature and not the music? More Victorian goth than actual goth? I’m curious!

Did anyone have any luck?

>>10267793
Didn't get the bat ring and now I regret a bit, but okay.

For anyone who've traveled to japan. What sort of shopping budget did you give yourself?

>>10267855
are you the same anon from the shopping in japan thread? how can you not figure this out for yourself?

>>10267855

Start by listing what shops you want to hit up and what you want to buy. eg if you want to catch a new AP release and you're hoping to find your dream dress in closet child, bring enough money to buy both of these. If you're hoping to buy a bonnet from AtePie and a Moitie dress from Kerashop, bring enough money for that.

If you have no clue what you want to buy, do your research now. Randomly dropping money on cheap secondhand is a good way to end up with a chaotic wardrobe of things that don't make even one proper coord. Plus you'll want to check that you're not overpaying the market price.

If you don't want to buy anything, then just take the shopping stops out of your itinerary. A dress shop is a dress shop, your time is better spent looking at other things that you actually have an interest in.

>>10267674
It's not just for cosplay, its just that cosplayers are the only people willing to self post.

That's why I asked if you posted in that thread because you're talking mad shit about how you'd totally post in a waywt thread.
You probably wouldn't.

>>10266919
fuck breeders, lolita or not. That's cute,but still,fuck them for ruining the planet even more, just adopt.

I love this but it's beaver
>>10267126
Ily anon
>>10267469
I didnt know this, i always buy something from them when i order, i'll be mad if she got something from my wishlist just to make some bucks.
>>10267881
What?

>>10267131
>>10267156
It’s a fucking joke dumbasses

>>10267881
?

>>10267881
I get you but I also want babies. I wouldn't care about a planet that doesn't have any humans or lolita on it.

>>10267881
I know this is bait, but Japan has one of the lowest birth rates of the planet. The people who “breed“ over there generally can afford to raise and care for their offspring. Just telling everyone „to adopt“ takes the responsibility away off of those who shouldn‘t be having many children to begin with.

>>10267881
Japan has a serious underpopulation problem right now
People should be fine having 1-2 kids, it's the people with bigass catholic families or in third world countries with no birth control access who are teh problem

>>10267880
Why are you being hostile because I'd post in a lolita waywt thread? How is that talking shit? It's not a competition.

>>10267938
It may be good for the economy in Japan but that doesn't make it harmless for the planet, sorry.

>>10267937
>>10267938
It may be good for the economy in Japan but that doesn't make it harmless for the planet, sorry. More importantly it makes it less convenient to wear lolita.

Does anyone in here still use the report function instead of replying with "I know this is bait but"?

>>10267971
no because they think saying that excuses them from being bait gobbling retards

Does anyone remember a few years back about the drama about a girl who bought one of Btssb’s corolla hair pieces and some other girl lost her shit for “buying HER dream item” or something? I was trying to tell the friend the story and there were so many fucking wacky ass details I know I’m missing or not remembering quite right. I think it was the Houston comm right before the big AM boycott started, or at least another Texas comm. Does anyone else remember that?

>>10267940
>>10267663
Seems like autumn depression is hitting early, hence the unnecessary hostility.
I would love a forum/board styled website too. There we could also post waywt. But I think there would have to be a lot of ad money involved for it to take off and some special info you can't find anywhere else (like some rare magazine scans for example, or archieved content from the past).

>>10267982
Kickstarter?
The forum I'm a part of gets funds thru donations, but it also has a very old and dedicated userbase. Kickstarter might be appropriate for something just starting out though. I'd donate.

>>10267971
Yes. I'm tryna keep cgl good and on topic but will it ever be? Jury's out.

>>10267940
Because you're lying about self posting.

Go start a lolita self post thread. Then post. Otherwise you're full of shit.

>>10267982
>Seems like autumn depression is hitting early
That stuff is bs. I love fall/winter. Summer is sweaty garbage.

>>10267923
You can adopt babies.

>>10267937
>Japan has one of the lowest birth rates of the planet.
Aside from the fact that they are islands.... isn't that because of their sexual repression and low sperm counts?

>>10267967
Yea but the real problem is actually the countries that think birthcontrol is bad. Attack those places lel

>>10268008
Or better yet, donate to causes that help improve birth control access and education.
This is how we fight overpopulation. Not by shaming women over the internet for having a baby.

>>10268008
People in those countries didn't originally think that. Crazy Americans went there to convince them after they felt they lost the battle in the US.

>>10267967
You must be one of those Greta death cult people. Just kys, if you think you're such a burden to the planet. 3rd world people don't care and will just continue to breed.

If you really care for the planet and want to live as eco-friendly as possible, I hope you also live by those standards, which means that you only buy locally produced goods and refrain from unnecessary traveling. Sorry hun, but this means that lolita - unless you sew your clothes yourself - is not the hobby for you.

>>10267881
Either you are low quality bait or you are a wandering retard in a dress. Japan has one of the lowest birth rates in the world, as well as WHOLE OF EUROPE. Those who breed like maggots are the muslim Arab countries and sub-saharan black shithole countries. Maybe you should tell them to stop breeding like vermin. And while you are at it, if the enviroment is so important, put a bullet in your mouth, kys and stop producing CO2

>>10268031
Unironically agree tho. Your wording isn't how I'd say it, but you get the point across.

>>10268033
Thank you. There is no room for PC talk when it comes tosuch despicable posts from people who literally want to murder children because of some Swedish autist said that children are the cause of enviroment pollution. At the same time Europeans and Japanese practically dont have kids, but those policies are being only projected on us. Why not on those who actually destroy the enviroment and literally dont doanything to control the booming and exploding population numbers in Africa and the Middle East? Im pissed off

>>10267982
I want that too but I don't want it to be a failed attempt like the ones before it. A while ago gulls used to selfpost in dedicated lolita/j-fashion threads on /cgl/sometimes but people are too salty for that now.

>>10267874
No I havent checked that thread recently. I didnt think it was active so i came here instead

>>10267879
I have done my research thoroughly. Just wondering what kind of budgets others have used themselves. Lowkey wondering if $8000 is insane or not.

>>10268140
What are you going to buy for that much? There are only so many releases in store at a time

>>10268140
Like anon said, plan what coords you want and check all the webshops. I personally set no budget for myself and spent about $2.2k on lolita in Tokyo buying several full coords plus accessories for things I had at home

>>10268144
I feel like too much of a nerd to list everything im interested in. But I am interested in items outside of lolita. Also buying gifts for friends and family for Christmas/Birthdays

Didn't get any responses in the stupid questions thread, hope it's ok to try here:

Does anyone have pictures of MeLikesTea's Casual Cupcake petti under a skirt or dress? That's the one I'm looking at, but it's the only one of hers with no underskirt picture.

Alternatively, recommendations for cupcake pettis with a mild/casual level of poof?

Sorry for being a dumbdumb but what's the name of the fabric that she used to make these sleeves? On her website she just says "sheer material" and it's not really helpful for dumbdumbs like me.

>>10267734
I don't think it's that bad desu. It's just a cape right? Not the worst I've seen from meta by a long shot.

>>10268175
I think it's tulle but I don't own the dress so not sure

>>10268175
We have an entire thread for stupid questions

>>10268192
Upon the close-up I think you may be right.

>>10267977
I remember that. But not all the details.

I'm going to go for a nose threadlift procedure soon, and I'm nervous but pretty excited. Has anyone else tried this, or has had other aesthetic procedures done before?
Did anyone in your comm comment on it? I'm interested to find out how your experiences went.

>>10267982
Maybe something along the lines of how avant gauche had lots of glb scans, otns patterns and streetsnaps might work? kinda like an archive with a forum attached.

>>10268237
I've only had nose fillers but am keen to get a threadlift done next time I'm overseas - no-one in my local area is skilled in it as it's all soccer mums getting fillers/botox. I think it depends how obvious/subtle you are going for (and the restrictions of your own anatomy of course!) as my fillers just made me look like a better version of me (like all selfie/photo angles looked better, could use less concealer etc) rather than different.

>>10267977
From what I remember, the girl had wanted the crown for a long time and posted on FB comm sales looking for it for at least a year. She sent a request to btssb, who had a booth at am that year, to bring the crown, but didn't ask them to hold it or anything. Maybe she could have done that, maybe they wouldn't have cared anyways. Whatever. Btssb managed to actually bring one of them, and someone whose identity remains a mystery to most showed up before her and bought it. She had knowledge that btssb brought a single one and once she realized it was already sold threw an absolute fit for days because EEEEEEVERYONE KNEW that IT WAS HER ULT. DREAM ITEM even though of course not EVERYONE knew. I'm not really sure how it all resolved but it was a bit funny because if she had just been kind and not felt entitled to the crown she probably could have tracked it down and worked something out with the buyer.

That's all I remember as someone who isn't from Texas but loves other comms' drama.

>>10268262
She should have just asked them to hold it for her or paid in advance.
If she didnt then it's fair game.

>>10268140

Self-confessed shopaholic here, I honestly don't see why too much money is a problem. Like someanon said in the Japan thread -- if you take $8000 with you and only spend $80 then you just chuck the other $7920 into your retirement fund/savings for the next dress that pops up once you get back.

It hurts way more when you walk into closet child and they're suddenly scalping a rare dream dress that you ache for, at 2x retail but it's a rare piece that you were never able to find before and may never see again, and you're out of funds so you can see it, touch it, but can't own it.

If you're worried about luggage allowance, mark where the nearest post office is so you can ship some of the lighter stuff back to yourself halfway through your trip.

>>10266861
So, this was a flop and neither of the main pieces sold out.

>>10268262
I was the one who bought it, someone else owns it now. When I had it even her brother was messaging me to try to buy it for twice the amount or some bullshit.

>>10268282
CC takes card, at least AmEx. This is part of why I didn't bother to budget when I went, every store took AmEx and I mostly used cash just for food

>>10268292
That’s so bizarre, sorry you had to deal with that, anon. Btw which Corolla was it anyways? Honestly they all look pretty similar to me so I was shocked she was being so ass blasted about it.

I don’t understand why this person is trying to sell these items at a mark up when you can buy them cheaper directly from AP yourself.

>>10268047
I think the failed attempts were more due to poor moderation and management. I'm looking real hard at Lacebook and the decision to make someone, who already proved herself to be incompetent and unpopular, a mod. It could have been an actually nice website.

>>10268410
They're claiming they're only selling because an emergency came up but it looked super sketch to me...

>>10268290
Not surprised. It's ugly and people only bought the black colorway for Halloween.

>>10268589
It was just so ugly, not salvageable, and I'm sure some people either spent their cash on the Toy Doll Box MTO or are saving their buxx for the shitty (personal opinion) Holy Lantern hoodie OP if it hasn't released in the US yet.

>>10268410
>>10268444
same, either way shes a dumb bitch, needs proof photos to sell

Hey gulls can you still order directly from Antaina?

>>10267734
Considering to get the white version, but it's so expensive...

No secrets this week hm? Can’t say I am shocked. I stopped making them a year ago when the posts became super inconsistent. No point in putting effort into a secret when the mods don’t give two shits any more.

>>10266861
I still want to see grey set on actual person, chances are it looks better in full monochrome.

>>10268296

I just kinda assumed that by "$8000" they meant they could afford to throw away that much cash via credit card or something. Not that they were actually carrying that much cash around. Even for food there's a number of chain stores that take CC now, what you'd worry about the smaller standalone shops that don't have a lot of traffic.

I've known people who really can't afford to throw even $800 on their credit card, so they would need to budget and save up before going, and even then some of them will say they can't spend that much money because it's over their card limit, or it'll make the next few months hard on them, or something like that.

>>10268724
Yes, you have to mail them.

>>10268732
There was never any point in making secrets

Thoughts on how this is a winter release? I love it even if it makes no sense.

>>10268793
I like Lief version a bit better desu.

>>10268793
Does it come in any other colors?

>>10268797
>>>/out/

It seems like a bunch of posts are missing from this thread, the janitors really went ham on it huh. Even the relevant stuff was deleted.

>>10268813
This was confirmed some months ago so I'm not sure if it's still the case, but shitposters have been getting ALL of their posts, even relevant content, deleted from all recent threads they've posted in. So you can tell who's been shitstirring.

>>10268737
It doesn't, I've seen it

>>10268813
>Even the relevant stuff
No, childbirth, nose surgerys and weak shitstirring attempts are not cgl-related.

>>10268813
>Even the relevant stuff
No, childbirth, nose surgeries and weak infighting attempts are not cgl-related.

>>10268801
What's wrong with the question? I did a quick search, couldn't find any other pictures of this release. If it came in darker colors or even sax, I think it could give off more of a winter vibe. Though the fabric actually looks really thin so maybe not.

>>10268874
nayrt but not sure if that was some kind of camo joke regarding the winter season or...? no clue what other anon's goal was in linking that board

New thread >>10268892

>>10268874
If you’ve been lolita for more than an hour you would’ve known AP doesn’t release anything in just one color. Your impatience is showing. This is a new leaked image so wait a month or two.

>>10268874
>>10268879
Newfags

>>10267971
I stopped reporting after i got banned.