/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10227956
anyone in the final round of Haenuli sales hear anything about ship date? I see some folks recently received their orders from round 3 of 4. I just want to know when my St. Vitus jsk will make it betwixt my loving arms.

>>10228022
I just got my st giles a week ago. She emailed out something about a few week delay a couple weeks ago so maybe things are still shipping out

Who put in orders for Gran Bazaar? Tell me!

Seconding >>10228060
If anyone bought pic related please post pics when it comes so I can live vicariously through you

Have any of you bought a parasol from Japan and had it shipped to Europe? Was it worth it and did it arrive savely? How do they package it?

>>10228022
I think it's supposed to be some time in August.

emily temple cute's wizard of oz stuff is so cute, wtf

>>10228062
... are those jingle bells?

>>10228101

pics anon, this is an image board

>cute dress that would suit my wardrobe perfectly comes up on LM
>ooh lemme just buy that real qui-
>Gemgem

God I hate scalpers so much. Why won't LM ban scalpers?

>>10228070
I am not in europe, but I have bought numerous parasols from japan that were packed well and shipped without damage. The one time I purchased a parasol from a seller in the US it came crushed/bent. -3-

>>10228216
Lol. Did you buy it?

>>10228228
Nope. I refuse to support scalpers in any fashion.

>>10228216
What dress?

Let's talk petticoats, gulls. Where do you get yours from? Which brand is your favorite? Does anyone use a hoopskirt instead of a petti?

Is Malco Modes' 582 petticoat still a good option? I remember people used to modify them in the LJ days. My victoriangirldress one finally kicked the bucket and I'm not sure which brands are popular anymore.

>>10228298

It's been talked about in other threads, but Ariel and Aurora seems to have replaced Classic Puppet as the taobao choice of petti. Can't vouch for it, but my friends love it.

Personally, I swear up and down by Malco Modes because I am apparently autistic when it comes to textures, particularly organza. I have 2 by Malco, Jennifer and Zooey. Zooey is good for more daily poof, Jennifer is sometimes a bit much for my lower poof dresses. I can layer Zooey and Jennifer if I want mega poof. I don't really do cupcake silhouettes, so I never felt the need, but it's really easy to tuck the first layer of Jennifer into my waist to create a cupcake if need be.

I ordered two Me Likes Tea petticoats in voile, and they are still pretty poofy two and a half years later. Super soft and comfy, too.

Does anyone know when the second Honey Cake payment is?

>>10228310
Nevermind, I'm retarded

>>10228305
Thanks for the reply! This was so informative. I was thinking of getting a Malco Modes Jennifer (582) as I mostly wear A-line dresses. Would you say it's worth the $60 price tag?

>>10228162
Nah, they're gemstones

>>10228329
Dear lord, that dress is ugly as sin. Kudos to anyone who can manage to pull it off.

>>10228329
Would it be a nightmare to dry clean? Or do the gems remove?

>>10228305
The old way is the best way. These don't deflate. I'm not sure why people get any other kind, honestly.

>>10228331
It likely would. A nightmare dressed like a daydream.

>>10228336
That layer looks removable

>>10228298
582 is good for lower poof and filling in for wardrobes with either weird or varied lengths. If you need a tea length it works well, but you need a second overlayer to poof out the top and middle.
It's what I got for my starter, but my next one will be a shorter melikestea one.

>>10228336
God, they look so tacky and cheap.

>>10228336
That would be a good lolita forum tagline, lol. But agree. It looks hard to clean. I wonder if they will provide special cleaning directions? Unfortunately, some of the trim looks busy and cheap also.

>>10228327
Wait for halloween, they do a 20% off sale every year for most of Oct. Then you can get two .^.
The Michelle is poof out to the moon, so if you need the length versatility of a 582 but have super heavy velvets, I reccomend it.
It's still A line though, fair warning.

>>10228298
>victoriangirldress
RIP. I still use mine for layering but I wish they still existed, I'd buy like 3 more. Then I'd buy one for each friend that's still not 100% on their petti game.

>>10228353
That's a T Swift lyric lmao

>>10228346
Thanks!

>>10228298
I like The Black Ribbon's petticoats. They aren't lace monsters, but as a more neutral goth lolita I don't want that much poof anyways, I just want something that will maintain it's shape over time. I've owned an A line one of theirs for a while and it's maintained it's shape all this time

Does anyone know if there are some pics of sample MTO clothes?

>>10228165
There's a lot of stuffs and people get mad when you post more than 2 pics in the general

>>10228298
I’m looking for a good replacement too. I layer my 2 Victoriangirldress petticoats and it’s not enough anymore except for daily wear. I’m interested in picking up a hoop petticoat since this summer has been real hell. Does anyone have any recommendations?

>>10228298
My best petticoat is from And Romeo. It was actually recommended to me by a gull too.


Tbh I don't understand why people need to buy new petticoats so often? Don't you just buy a few when you start out?

>>10228495
I bought 2 petticoats in 2011 and they are on their way out from being worn daily. Not all of us got into Lolita last year you know.

>>10228498
Yeah but I see questions about petticoat recommendations way too often if you only needed to buy a new one after 8 years.

>>10228499
Do you know how many people are in the fashion anon? It’s not the same people asking every time

From the AP Tokyo ten Twitter: People who reserve Misty Sky from now on will receive it in April 2021.

That’s three months shy of a two year wait rip in pieces anybody who ends up with that wait

>>10228499
Plus, 8 years is a long time, when you aren't hunting down best options it can be tough knowing who's best nowadays, cut us old ladies some slack.

>>10228508
I thought that was a mistake, some people say it’s October 2020. Can’t believe there’s still SUCH A DEMAND.

>>10228491
Just make a collage like anons do for new releases.

>>10228334

Shipping to outside the US is why. Last time I tried to buy one the shipping cost as much as the petti, at which point I'd rather just pick up a burando petticoat the next time I hop over to Japan rather than buy a Malco Modes.

I ended up getting a Classical Puppets petti that's still going. Must've been right before they went downhill, idk.

>>10228529
It's staggered releases. Some will get it October 2020, but the ones after 1pm? 1:45pm? are waiting till 2021.

>>10228531
No

>>10228529
It’s not a mistake, they’ve been posting updates all day and the date has been pushed out further and further the later you end up reserving it. I’m also shocked that there is still this level of demand. AP is just printing money at this point I wish I could buy shares or something

>>10228550
>AP is just printing money at this point
Right? It's so ridiculous when anons make it sound like JP brands are "struggling" and "need support." AP is rolling in dough

>>10227956
Has there been any news on the sizing and fabric? Is this gonna be another Honey Cake? I can't tell which would be worse, this getting good old fabric and Honey Cake being the only rerelease that had to be shit or them both being shit.

>>10228541
Imagine AP doing some other rereleases. Seems like those are gonna be done a year ago. Ugh...

>>10228508
That seems insane, how on earth can it take two years to make a batch of dresses? I wonder what kind of number of orders could possibly push the release back almost two years?
I'm cool with delayed gratification but with the poorly printed Horror Garden (I think it was that) MTO I don't know how I feel about paying for something that I won't receive until 2021, much as I'd like Misty Sky.
Don't get me wrong, I really love that AP is doing these MTOs and listening to what people want. They're probably the only brand to do this on this scale, but I can't fathom why there would be a 1-2 year production time.

>>10228554
While AP is on the make dresses that print money train, how about gradient Holy Lantern? I'll take one in red to black and one to navy to black kthx

just a reminder it is FAN-tasic Dolly, not fanTAStic Dolly
it is not the word "fantastic", there is no T between the S and the I

this has been a personal pet peeve since the original was released

It’s already October 2021 you guys

>>10228579
Like this?

>>10228586
I did a pink and white one too

>>10228298
I swear by The Black Ribbon. I've bought 2 a-line ones, which have stood up through years of daily abuse. My Classical Puppets petti, which had been serving as my low-poof petti, is finally pooping out on me, so I'm commissioning a low-poof petti from The Black Ribbon to replace that.

>>10228298
A&A

>>10228572
I’ve heard of Chinese SS ordering hundreds of dresses at once

>>10228536
Seems like they need an EU/international distributor then. It's the best option for US buyers though afaik, especially with the annual October sale.

>>10228572

It's not just that one print, don't forget a lot of these factories have dress releases (and factory productions slots of those releases) booked way ahead of when you actually get to buy them in store. So it's probably more like they have factory X already slotted to produce half their releases until winter this year, they can slot some max number of Misty Sky into current year without messing up that production schedule (I mean regardless of it being a factory there's only so many dresses they can pump out per day).

If they overrun their slot for Misty Sky it'll mess up the rest of the releases for the year, and this will piss off their loyal customers who already own 6 copies of Misty Sky and want to buy something else. So then the next production time slot they have available is next year, so that would push the finish dates back to almost two years.

>>10228554

It's usually VM and MM that anons point to, and Excentrique already closed. AP isn't all of burando.

>>10228596

I'm in Asia, so that would still be expensive. I don't disagree with needing a distributor for EU though, they could possibly make bank since even shipping taobao to EU seems to cost a fair bit.

>>10228329
Serious question and no judgment, have any of you ever bought one of these super fancy dresses? If so, do you get the opportunity to wear it much or do you keep it for special events?

>>10228583
Kek.
You are correct but wow. Why do you feel the need to preemptively school people on an anonymous online Hungarian clog dancing image board? Just let the ignorant be ignorant.

>>10228605
I haven't but I'm considering one. In 2020, I’ll have 2 events to wear it to for sure, and I think I could figure out a 3rd plus plan an ILD that would be ok for it (elegant historic hotel venue).

>>10228583
this is some mandela effect shit right here

>>10228587
I would buy this in lav x white

>>10228587
because a holy lantern that looks even more like you bought it from hot topic in 2005 is exactly what we need

>>10228605
So far I’ve only bought one $800 dress from Baby but I will definetely buy a fancy AP dress for my wedding. As a wedding dress I don’t think it will be worn more than that time unless I get lucky with offspring.

>>10228554
You know AP is the exception. Three of my favourite brands closed down, and all the rest increased prices and closed physical shops. While fast fashion brands are opening physical shops.

>>10228579
There have been enough Holy Lantern releases already. I'd prefer that they did a Puppet Circus release printed on smooth woven cotton.

>>10228607
because the print is almost 10 years old now and people are STILL saying "fantastic", drives me up the wall how you have to look up both #fantasicdolly and #fantasticdolly
even sucre-dolls has mistagged the series with the improper name

it's not a lost-in-translation error, it was never meant to be "fantastic"; fantasic is a word the designer of the print made up meaning "fantasy-like"

>>10228586
Gib
>>10228587
I'd like it in the high waist cut desu.

Both are deffinetly buys for me... I need more HL in my collection

What % of your monthly or yearly salary do you spend on clothing?

>>10228561
According to an anon from the last thread, this will be another Honey Cake situation. Sad, since Fantastic Dolly is the best quality AP dress I've ever owned and I was hoping to pick up another one in my preferred colorway with this MTO. But I'm going to have to say no if it comes in large and it's made out of polyester.

>>10228329

>>10228622
I'm very happy that you do not have anything more upsetting to deal with in your life anon, that you can be this booty-bothered about people mistaking the spelling of a made-up word in the title of an obscure frilly Japanese dress. Carry on the good fight.

>>10228579
Honestly it would be cool, but how abot AP steps up their game, makes a mew good print and possibly makes it gradient? Also second print using Holy Lantern jsk cut would be awesome

This must be the dress an anon mentioned awhile back

>>10228612
idk anon, sounds pretty neat to me

>>10228586
Hnnnngh yes exactly. I love this and would throw ample money at AP.

>>10228622
Fantastic already means fantasy-like, so there's no need for a second word. Just accept they don't know English that well.

Giulietta will be re-released on August. Just letting ya know

>>10228666

"Fantastic has two meanings, and is also used to mean "great", "awesome", "wonderful" and such.

One of AP's staff/designer (I forgot who) wrote a short explanation that they named it Fantasic exactly to avoid this confusion. They wanted to clearly indicate the print is meant to show "My fantasy or dream dress-up" rather than a random "impressive dress-up".

Not that anon btw, I'm not bothered by people calling it whatever, after all I'm still calling Radioactive Cupcakes that, I can't really remember its original name anymore.

Why do people say Classic not Classical Lolita? From the explanations I'm finding online "Classical" seems much more suitable to the style.

https://jakubmarian.com/classic-vs-classical-in-english/

>>10228683
haven't navigated to that link but I already know you're going too deep with this. This is a Japanese alternative fashion. These substyle names, though rooted in English, were designated by Japanese people. Both are used, but classic is easier to say (4 vs 5 syllables). it's that simple.

>>10228691
I see. I often see people correcting each other when they "classical", so I was a bit confused. But thank you anyway

>>10228683
In Japan they use "classical" for old-school and basic "orthodox" coords that don't miss anything and don't break any rules (so not too old old-school)

>>10228697
That's nice to know, thanks for the info!

Are there any brands that released cotton unlined dresses? I can't take the hot humidity anymore with lined main-pieces.

PS if it wasn't obvious I want to buy, so it must be in stock
>>10228712

>>10228712
This is a question for the stupid questions thread but Baby almost never lines their shit

>>10228718
I have main-pieces from baby and yes they do. They just don't line their bodices sometimes. I've seen some really stupid answers in the stupid questions thread but yours isn't any better so I guess I'll give it a try.

>>10228712
Just keep your eye out for cutsew dresses

>>10228742
That'd be more casual than I'm looking for. I have one unlined Excentrique OP that's perfect for this weather just with some bloomers and a hoop petticoat, but I cant wear that every day..

>>10228712
Every piece I own from Baby/ATTP is unlined. If you want unlined bodices, go with them. Only the skirts seem to be lined. The one ATTP piece I own has cotton lining,

FWIW, I don't purchase a lot of Baby/ATTP, and I'm not as familiar with their construction as I am with AP, Meta and IW.

>>10228753
unlined bodices, the skirt portions of the jsks I own are lined.

>>10228712
I have quite some IW dresses that are summery and unlined, but not all of them are cotton. Other than that I've had good luck with Black Peace Now (rip).

>>10228607
Question: Are you the same anon who also posts stuff like secret Peruvian basket weaving forum or is that always different people

If it’s you, you’re giving me quite a giggle whenever I read it, please proceed

If it’s several different people, I’m glad it has caught on

>>10228672
SAUCE?

>>10228062
someone on youtube did an unboxing video of that set
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_sxsFTh47k

>>10228821
Please stop embarrassing yourself

>>10228639
>it's impossible to have more than one emotion or care about more than one thing at one time
the dumbest retort ever

>>10228873
I'm shocked how good it looks worn.

>>10228864
Atelier Boz (Osaka, I think?) Blog

>>10228821
If you only come to cgl, that would be why you're not familiar but this is a 4chan meme that's used on every board.

If you only come here for cgl, I'd definitely recommend leaving. You're not gonna like it here

>>10228697
Actually classical lolita (クラシカルロリータ) or kurarori (クラロリ) is used for what we call classic lolita. Here's just one link as an example, Google yields many more
https://www.lafary.net/fashion/268/

>>10228873
Wow I wish I were that girl. She looks so rich

lmao what is this

>>10228966

>>10228967

>>10228966
Meh, I usually love when jetj partners with that illustrator, but the cut of this is what makes it a no for me. Let the illustration speak for itself

>>10228924
Speak for yourself, /an/ is tame af

>>10228966
Holy kek. The wraping is top wtf tier. Who tought it was a good idea with this print?

>>10228974
What are you even replying about?? That meme is used there as well.
Normies who come here from places like Facebook or amino are going to get eaten alive fast because thats just how board culture goes. No one is saying other boards are or aren't tame. Cgl specifically isn't tame.

>>10228968
All the faces here are my feelings regarding this dress.

>>10228924
Yeah, I only come to cgl, I guess that’s why I didn’t recognize it.
But why would I leave? I’ve been lurking for a while and I like it here. So much pointless drama.

>>10228907
Never

>>10228821
It's several people. It's a part of the board culture here to not refer to the board name or topics directly, something old to do with not bumping the site in up in search from the old days. I'm not an oldfag on this Macedonian Snake Charming board though so what do I know for sure?

>>10228873
Kek wearing Gucci with lolita. Weird flex but ok...
Damn it must feel nice to not have to strain yourself to just buy some cheap dress secondhand

>>10228742
Cutsew is knits and knits of dress-weight are also often hot, not cool.

>>10228935
Is there a page in Japanese for lolita terms? Many people, self included, seem to be a little confused over terms sometimes. Especially for searching.

>>10228873
I laughed at her tea manners though. Anyone can put on a fancy dress but the way she stirred her tea and held her cup instantly shows that she doesn't really have proper manners to match at all. And yes, people can easily tell this in 100 different small ways.

>>10229008
Of course, she's rich chinese. They're all new money, and it's always painfully obvious by how they act and the things they buy.

>>10229019
Yeah, 富二代
I saw this right away with her clothes she is wearing for the unboxing, the way she sits and holds the dress, the room decor.
The jacket at the end says it all. No proper coat, all is just for show.

>>10229008
Why does it matter thought?

All these posts are just jealousy speaking.
She's rich, thin, pretty and seems nice - already making her better than vast majority of gulls.
With makeup she looks a bit like Bae Suzy

>>10229008
I'm going to guess she's richer than you are

>>10229033
Because most people who have even upper middle-class upbringing don't socialize much with this type because they are playing at a lifestyle they don't fit into even if they do have money. They want to be all fancy at tea, for instance, but they don't know how to act at all.

>>10229035

You sure sound upper class, clutching at some outdated customs like they're everything. The world's moving on, people don't give a shit anymore.

>>10229034
Likely so. Still would not invite her to tea because she doesn't know how to behave.

>>10229008
Most people aren't taught archaic tea manners. So what?

>>10229037
Keep telling yourself this. It makes you easier to spot and disregard. If you think people with middle to higher levels of wealth do not still judge people on these things, you are badly mistaken. It still matters to some people quite a bit. In career promotion to upper corporate levels above a certain level, in social arenas that separate the vip, in all sorts of situations. What has changed is the ability to learn these things and do better. People can do that now that's the difference, not that they don't matter anymore. New money is fine as long as the manners and behaviour come with it, which is why Fuerdai have a struggle with acceptance. No manners.

>>10229052

>It still matters to some people quite a bit. In career promotion to upper corporate levels above a certain level, in social arenas that separate the vip, in all sorts of situations.

Yeah, I'm sure you've experienced it firsthand lmao.

>>10229052
>Making it impossible to learn manners if you're not born into privilege
>Judging people for having no manners
Face it, your elitism has nothing to do with tradition or etiquette and everything to do with clutching to rapidly disintegrating social strata. Try telling this shit to a billionaire techbro in a t-shirt, see how much they care.

>>10228676
Then if they knew English they would have named it Fantasy Dolly. Get off their dick.

>>10228609
Omfg anon.
I was around when it first released, to my knowledge it's always had the second t.

>>10229052
>>10229052
Bitch, you're a weeb who dresses up in lolita, posting on 4chan!
What do you think those "upper class" people would say about you?? kek

Rich people are rich because they opressed someone and contributed to poverty.

I don't need their approval, thx

>>10229065
>what would they say
You'll never know because you'll always be poor lmao

>>10229074
You don't have to be rich to have class, anon.

>>10229065
Nice projecting, not everyone got into this fashion by watching anime and dressing like a knock-off magical girl. But tell yourself that if it makes your weeb ass feel better

>>10229065
Anon probably lives in a new housing development with some houses going for 300k in the midwest and about 6 blocks away, someone has a Tesla. They saw a Lambo once. They were schooled on manners and proper tea sipping by their great grandmother who went to finishing school in 1919. She passed away when anon was 6, but is an expert. Their father is a doctor, their mother is a lawyer. They have it great and are well to-do. Only the finest of china for their weeb cuisine. To make themselves more humble, they swear that they once knew poverty because they lived in a condo and the carpet mildy smelled like cat piss.

>>10229078
You think your upper class friends care about how you got into dressing in jfashion? Weeb or not, you're a freak to them

>>10229008
The way she styled the dress shows that she has a lot of money but no taste. She made it look boring and plain. I appreciate elegant coords, but this is a tacky ass OTT dress--you're not supposed to be restrained about wearing it.
But lolita doesn't seem to be her focus. Seems like she just bought the lolita dress to flex her wealth without bothering to understand how to wear it. She should stick to hanfu.

Lots of broke white and black fatties in here... But hey, I guess at least they know how to hold a tea cup the right way.

>>10229087
that's something, you know

>>10229079
Made me cackle.

>>10229088
All right poorfag, whatever makes you sleep at night.

>>10229090
I mean, if you're a poorfag but you know your manners at least you got something

>>10229080
You clearly haven't been around many educated rich people. They can be extremely eccentric. One of our family friends is an artist that regularly sells pieces for ~100k, and he walks around in wooden clogs and $500 brushes in his inside pocket at all times. Another is a director of a pharmaceutical company, he has a zenith watch, a pointed moustache, and he spends most of his spare time gardening and landscaping.The list goes on. They all come from older european families. Few of these people buy the newest gucci meme shirt. The difference between new money and old money isn't just in how people behave, but also what they value.

>>10229094
I saw a dude on tv, I think he was a new "rich" he prided himself in aqquiring old rich's items, because they were in need of money, something very cruel when you think about it

>>10229094
>The difference between new money and old money isn't just in how people behave, but also what they value.
I'm sure some weeb poly clothing isn't on their list. Specially from popular Japanese brands, which are far from being "high quality" or "pieces of art".

>>10229095
Kind of in this train of thought, didn't the Queen of England sell off some family jewelry like necklaces and tiaras recently?

>>10229094

I think we're coming back full circle to the idea that rich people can be fucking weirdos who don't give a shit about outdated customs.

>inb4 but he uses his fork correctly!

Doubt he cares.

>>10229097
You'd be surprised, anon. I have a relative that has a fondness for hello kitty because her parents gave her an imported pencil set back when no-one else in europe really had much access to the merchandise.

>>10229099
I wasn't the anon that mentioned the manners thing, I was just replying to weeb-anon. I don't know how the people I mentioned eat alone at home, and generally, while you are required to be respectful, at any get-together they care more about how worldly you are then how you're holding your coffee.
But that's only the rich people I'm familiar with, there's many different kinds of "wealth".

>>10229101
Okay but you know that even in the very unlikely case that rich people actually admired you for wearing lolita, you just sound like an insufferable tryhard right now?

>>10229107

I'll definitely agree with that.

>>10229108
Why would I want anyone the admire me for wearing lolita? I don't wear it for them.

>>10229112
classic female lie, you wear thongs for us, you wear yoga pants for us, etc. lolita is the awkward thing that almost skips this rule, but even then I don't think so, at least not a 100%

>>10229114
Male-poster.
Any argument you made/will make is now null and void

>>10229114
Nobody asked you.

>>10229116
>>10229117
truth hurts

>>10229119
What hurts? Did a seagull rip off your testicle too?

>>10229119
I'm sure it does.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/the-y-chromosome-is-disappearing-so-what-will-happen-to-men-90125

Cool cool so speaking of Chinese youtubers, I'm dead out of english lolita content, does anyone have any favourite chinese, japanese, french, swedish, whatever, lolita youtubers that they watch?

>>10229122
>you have a SMALL Y cromosome
that's a new one

>>10229127
Thanks

Milkyuki got banned, anyone have deets? I'm guessing NG834 is them.

>>10229052
pretty sure corporate bosses don't sit around sipping tea like old english noblemen

>>10229142
guessing the same. no idea about deets though, probably for making a new acct to evade a ban

>>10229029
>>10229019
Rich Americans are the rudest, most disgusting people I've ever met. Hell, just look at Trump. I'll take the fumbling rich Chinese over that any day.

>>10228620
AP has the designs people want, other brands don't. That's why a lot of Taobao reflects AP style as well, it sells better.

>>10229008
>Why don't Asians have European table manners????

Has anyone else been having more problems with undisclosed missing items recently? On both english and Japanese second-hand sites people are simply not mentioning missing bows, waist ties, and other detachable pieces. This isn't a new thing by any means, but I seem to be noticing it a lot more frequently.

>>10228101
These?

>>10228873
how long do you think it took her to find a shopping center with that christmas set up?

>>10229081
This is one for the unpopular opinions thread, but all chinese who wear OTT look tacky and have no taste. They look like overdressed children.

Who wants to talk about our favorite dumb noob who’s been posting once a day to RC? LOL. I cannot believe the mods let that go on for so long.

>>10228935
That's not how btssb and misako use it

>>10229217
Misako is an unreliable lolita to begin with, but here's Misako saying she likes "classical" and "kurarori" wearing IW
https://twitter.com/aokimisako/status/1146340111975456768?s=19
https://twitter.com/aokimisako/status/1146274559127146497?s=19

>>10229213
caps? I don't have FB

>>10229217
Here is another one with her using both words for a sheglit dress
https://twitter.com/aokimisako/status/1140842400916463616?s=19

>>10229002
I found a site with lolita genres here, and there's also Wikipedia
https://kaumo.jp/topic/45804

>>10228873
Wow I really enjoyed the composition of this unboxing video. I like that the second half was done in an artistic way vs how people just kind of do the up and down shot of the coord in their room

>>10229208
Stop reaching, malls keep winter/Christmas decorations after the holidays. Also, that dress set was rereleased this month, meaning it was released a couple of years ago.

Keep your envy to yourself

>>10229064
The second T was never there, you just saw an almost-familiar word, "fantasic", and read it as "fantastic"

Like the exercise where every single word in a paragraph is misspelled but you can still read it just fine, your brain only processed part of the word and decided it said something different than what was written.

>>10228676
Thank you, other anon. I was actually trying to find that same blog post you mentioned, but since I don't remember which staff or store wrote it, gonna assume it only exists in our memories

>it's Whipped Magic btw, but yeah I call it Radioactive Cupcakes too
>but this is more like if everyone was called it "Whippled Magic" which is just wrong

>>10229008
>>10229052
this is the funniest shit I've read on /cgl/ all year

>>10229211
literally how all western sweet lolitas look

>>10229153

My theory is the older dresses get, the more hands they pass through, then the higher likelihood that some pieces get mislaid.

For me missing pieces was more common way back when I started -- I could only afford old, unpopular releases since I didn't have that much money. So I'd end up with unnamed dresses/skirts that had buttons for missing pieces that didn't come with the dress. Might also have to do with owner's attitudes, the ones with missing pieces tended to be listed without a print name, so it looks like it wasn't all that important to the owner. The more value the previous owner placed on owning an item as a set, it seemed the more careful they were to keep all the various bits and bobs, along with matching jewellery and accessories, together.

The more I moved up to more popular, recent releases, and sets, the more likely they came without anything missing.

>>10229074
Mte. My capitalist overlords keep trying to convince me I need several cars, a bigger house, a new AP print every week, and try to get promoted every year. But I know I can have a a great lolita wardrobe with a middle class income and that's all I need.

>>10229078
Speak for yourself. I hate anime and my friends got into lolita because of visual kei and jane austen fandom.

>>10229252

Let's face it, VK is basically irl band anime.

>t. VK fan

>>10229252
>jane austen fandom
kek

>>10228495
Style changing and trends changing. In 2011 I wanted giant cupcake sweet and had no A-line dresses, then I got more into old school gothic/classic and needed shorter, lower poof petticoats in 2014, then bought some dresses that needed a more poofy A-line silhouette, and now tea-length is more common even in gothic styles so I needed a longer petticoat for that.

>>10229260
Nayrt but it's intense, man

Well that was a bit of a shit show. I had the viridian Magical Artefact jsk in my cart at like 5:02jst and it kept giving a weird error message and then it was out of stock. Bummer. Maybe they'll open a second reserve, or a mto?

>>10228586
>>10228587
This is a huge improvement. I never bought into the HL craze because it's just so solid looking and there's no depth to the print. This makes it interesting to look at.

>>10228939
>>10229000
yeah, saw another video of her where she was at a super expensive school in canada and there i a whole department named after her and her sister because her parents probably sponsored it, pretty extensive, even for 富二代 standards...
and her sis is still going to that school, must feel so super awkward walking past your name on a sign every day.
but she did also have a pretty well paying job, as one would expect from someone with privileges and connections n stuff.

>>10229008
believe it or not, not everybody cares about how some white people have been drinking dried leaf juice in their not so recent history.
especially since tea is not even european in the first place.
it's a weeb fashion, not historical reenactment.

>>10229052
desu there is a lot wrong with the materialistic culture in china nowadays, but complaining about some obscure english table manners is just grasping on straws and just shows your complete ignorance of the existence of other continents, countries and cultures and just some shitty coloniser thinking.

>>10229208
the video was originally uploaded to bilibili in december, so probably not that long.

>>10229274
Ah bollocks, I completely forgot about this.
Did anyone get anything?

>>10229153
I bidded on a skirt and the seller didn't tell my SS one of the waist ties was missing until after I bidded

>>10229286
Tell your ss to request partial refund for this.

>>10228873
Thank you!

>>10228873
I wish there were Western lolitas this rich and/or daring enough to make vids about purchases like these.

Also, who is this girl? It looks like she has a following in the Chinese community with plenty of likes and Chinese comments, but I've never even heard of her.

>>10229301
She has another video (places to shop at in Tokyo I believe) where she talks to another girl in perfect English about how different Lolita is currently viewed in Japan and China, and about what Japanese think of taobao Lolita. Seems like she really does have a major Chinese following, probably off-youtube, since she seemed to speak for the whole Chinese community.

>>10228998
Nayrt but thanks for the background. I've been collecting variations and I never knew the history of the meme.

>>10229321
This is some advanced autism, Jesus.

>>10228990
You can do whatever you want but if you continue to be obvious as fuck - anons are never going to listen to anything you say, twist your word and give you a verbal beatdown any time you post.

>>10229321
you know people just make these up while they’re typing the post right

gulls, how is Lief's quality these days? they are re-releasing pic related but last time I've bought something from them was like? 5 years ago?

>>10229333
I know. I just find these really funny.

>>10229340
You legitimately seem mentally unstable, saving all of those. Get some help.

>>10229340
please, make a friend.

>>10229340
They are funny, anon. The variety of your list shows that at least you get off the salt board sometimes so you are doing better than most gulls.

This probably also belongs in Unpopular Opinion thread but I'm too lazy to make a new one: the cheap availability of lolita pieces in the west has not improved the fashion, it has degraded it.

>>10229306
That video made me mad when they are obviously taking secret footage at la forêt. You're not allowed to film or take pictures there. Hence the Japanese lady at atelier pierrot putting up her hands at the camera.

>>10229306
Link to the video please?

>>10229306
> how different Lolita is currently viewed in Japan and China, and about what Japanese think of taobao Lolita

Please, spill the tea. I may suggest lolita is really casual and less of subculture in China.

>>10229321
See >>10228907

>>10229358
Thanks for saying that, now I'm not going to give that rude person views. Hate people who act like rules don't apply to them because they have money.

>>10229359
>>10229363
https://youtu.be/E-cfzww_G18
Interview in English at 11:05

>>10229376
"if you don't wear a wig or don't wear makeup properly, and you're just wearing Lolita on the streets, people [in China] will call you 痛lo (pain + lolita)"

>>10229376
Thanks for sharing, anon. her content is very nice, just wish I could read a bit better of Chinese.

>>10229399
>if you don't wear a wig then you're ita
When will people learn that lolita looks fine with natural hair as long as you actually take care of it?

When is swimmer going to re-open?

>>10229399
Literally every Chinese lolita I've seen irl had flat unstyled hair and some of them didn't even wear a petticoat.

>>10229061
>what are YouTube tutorials
There's so many videos on afternoon tea etiquette alone, no excuses. If anything, it's easier than ever before to learn proper manners.
>>10229074
I hope president Xi Jinping will oppress the bougies harder

>>10229407
>>10229413
I'm just quoting the video.

>>10229321
I’m the anon the other anon replied to and omg. This is really next level.
I guess we’re really into basket weaving

>>10229420
I know. I'm not criticizing you, just the people who make those kinds of comments.

>>10229399
"If you're just wearing it on the streets"
So... Chinese lolitas have a problem with people wearing a street fashion on the streets

>>10229422
>>10229321
Glad to know that some people still know how to have fun on this Taiwanese totem carving forum.

>>10229439
She's saying that other lolitas will call you ita if you just wear it out casually, not that she thinks it's ita. We have the same problem on cgl. In the CoF thread people shit on basic coords, minimal make-up (looks like no make-up in pictures), and flat hair (your hair doesn't stay perfectly voluminous when you're out all day). There are some people who don't consider it (good) lolita if you don't make an effort on every detail.

>>10229413
China isn't that much about individualism, those are trying to blend in.

>>10229376
Laughing my ass off when she asked the Japanese lolita if she bought from taobao
C: "what do you think of chinese brands?"
J:"Oh yeah!! I LOVE chinese brands!"
C:"Have you bought any from taobao?"
J:"Uhhh.."

>>10229447
Ugh, that’s one of my pet peeves. For me, half the fun in this fashion is wearing it in my everyday life, not just sitting around at a tea party once a month.
Yes, being really fancy and dressing to the nines is nice, but I just don’t have 1.5+ hours every time to make sure my appearance is perfect.

And no, if any of my outfits is a little sloppier or going against too many guidelines, I don’t post it online as Lolita.

>>10229468
So you are complying to them, because they don't think it's lolita, you don't post it as lolita on your own social media.

>>10229471
You know that the moment anyone labels anything lolita that isn't dressed to the 9's and elaborate event-ready, it'll get posted everywhere if it's made public at all.

Plenty of people wear the fashion like this and plenty don't post photos on social media. If we weren't so quick to grab everything from COF and dump it in threads here, maybe more people would be up for non-conforming and wearing the fashion daily without judgement from the peanut gallery and larpers.

>>10229471
Nayrt, but it's like posting a picture of yourself in a sm group wearing jeans and a t-shirt when all your friends are wearing blouses and skirts. Both are still normie clothes, but why the fuck would anyone want to see your errand/casual stuff, and why do you feel the need to catalog the simple stuff you do daily on social media? It's like those people that post every meal they have on fb. Yes, the sundae is nice, but we don't really need a picture of a hard-boiled egg

>>10229475
that's no reason to not call it lolita, just because it's on the other end of OTT

I cant decide what colour to get, please help. I think sax would look good on me but I'm a slob and would make it dirty.

>>10229522
Black is then the obvious choice.
Although...
Aprons are cute with dresses like this.

>>10229337
They've been solid, buy with confidence.

>>10229321
Bless this retard for giving this maori wrestler tickling site the luls needed on this day

>>10229484
>What is reading comprehension
Anon didn't say that. She never said it wasn't lolita or that she personally didn't call it that, She said , "I don’t post it online as Lolita."

>selling western brand replicas on LM
classy

>>10229538
I don’t keep up with western brands. I wouldn’t know if some of my cheap aliexpress bags might be replicas as well. Maybe they didn’t know either?

>>10229546
Kate Spade is worn by enough lolitas to care. This kind of shit is just another reason the tacky Chinese discount websites are a plague on the fashion. I'm reporting it.

>>10229538
Who actually gives a fuck about design replica bags?

>>10229552
me

>>10229552
Lots of people. Which you would know if you weren’t a newfag, because every time this kind of conversation comes up people voice their dislike of them.

>>10229557
Yeah, no. This topic comes up a lot on the FB groups and the vast majority of people don't care about any non print replicas.

>>10229552
Loris bags make me sad, but being shunned after someone big in my comm thought I was trying to replica shame her and got offended has me gunshy on actually talking about it irl.

>>10229572
By nonprint replicas, people mean things like a generic tartan skirt or solid cotton jsks, not unique designs. If you made a knockoff of Scarlet Primavera Waltz or Bless from Saint Michael, people would care even though neither dress is printed. Lolitas were angry about Hot Topic's knockoff Melty Moon bag, which is a non-printed item.
I'd consider a knockoff of a Kate Spade bag to fall into the same category. Yes, there's no print and it's not like the rights to making dinosaur bags belongs exclusively to Kate Spade, but this isn't just a generic dinosaur, it's ripped off of a specific dinosaur bag made by an established brand.

>>10229572
Wait fuck I just realized that you get all of your info from hugbox FB groups. I wasted like 5 minutes writing a reply for nothing.

>>10229581
FB is where most lolitas congregate these days and share their opinions with hundreds to thousands of comments on debate topics such as this. They represent the general lolita opinion much more than a handful of autists on here, sorry.

>>10229583
FB groups are hugboxy and people are afraid to put their real opinions out there because everyone knows who's who. You can't go on FB and give your real opinion because you'll be dogpiled and/or banned from groups. You can only play it safe and be all uwu lolita is for everyone!!!

>>10229586
It's easy to use a fake name on FB (I do) and before tumblr died, the lolita community had the same opinions there despite no real names. Keep trying to come up with excuses for why the rest of us don't agree with your autistic assessments.

>>10229546
You can assume if you have common sense

>>10229583
If you look at the members of such groups, you see there are more normies and cosplayers than lolitas

>>10229595
If you look at the actual comments, nearly everyone is wearing lolita in their profile pic. But sure, Jan.

>>10229603
Link?

>>10229580
I think it's more an issue of them clearly trying to copy the exact same patterning. Same shape, same dino, same segments.

>>10229608
That's what design replica is. It's not "oops, we accidentally made a circle shape that looks similar to this other circle". It's "I saw this specific design that isn't completely illegal to steal so let's steal it".

>>10229608
that's literally what that anon just said

>>10229607
Make a Facebook account.

>>10229572
Either way, gtfo the board and go back to your bloated, goldfish memory having, can't fuckin breathe without sucking Chinese dick, itasexual, normie trash fire.

>>10229607
Any RC post

>>10229621
Nah.

>>10229618
>>10229624
So you can't provide a link. Ok.

>>10229522
Speaking of this dress- are there any worn pictures without the underskirt? I can't find any

>>10229591
It's only easy to use a fake name on FB if you are a lone lolita, maintain 2 accounts (one with no or with fake lolita photos, I guess?) or are a lolita at heart. The rest of us get seen and are known by real people in real life. Sure the extremes come out here but a decent amount of honest opinion is here too.

>>10229627
facebook > groups > rufflechat

Learn to feed yourself pls.

>>10229630
>decent amount of honest opinion is here
Honest but unpopular opinions. Anons here don't like Lor or Tyler, but both are extremely popular with the general lolita community. Anons here think fat/black/trans/whatever people shouldn't wear lolita, while most of the community doesn't care about any of that. Etc

>>10229630
There's a lolita in my comm who has a separate account that she only uses for lolita, because she doesn't want people at school and work to see her coords and sales. But since it's facebook she does get suggested to them as a friend, she just doesn't accept their requests. It's not that hard.

>>10229608
Did you even read the post? That's what it says but with more words.

>>10229637
Tyler is very popular here too. Don't ask me why.

>>10229321
Kek

Please post the whole list anon

>>10229638
It's not that hard to just be yourself and not be a complete shit there or here too and still serve a decent slice of honesty while being true to yourself. Or do you just think that compartmentalizing the nasty bits of yourself doesn't affect you as a complete person? Because if so, I have some unfortunate news for you.

Please stop kicking the dead replica horse
>>10229629

>>10229650
Did you reply to the wrong post? That anon was asking for pictures...

>>10229640
Because Tyler’s YouTube persona/character is nasty but the real bits that leak when she is out of character don't seem to be too horrid or maladjusted.

Lor on the other hand, is a piece of work though. She gives me the creeps.

>>10229653
That's obviously the same anon

>>10229654
This. Tyler is closer to what most gulls are like.

>>10229660
Tyler isn't a man-hating, classist, fatphobic bitch, so not really.

I wanna see le sexy lolita

>>10229661
Those are outlier gulls anon.

>>10228403
That's funny. I don't listen to her so I did not know.

>>10228359
NAYRT but thanks for this info, it's good to know, I want a couple of black ones so I will grab them on sale this year.

>>10229557
In 2011 people bought replicas all the time of bags, no one cared. Someone not caring about replica bags doesn't make them new. You sound more new than them.

>>1022964
That was most of it already tbdesu
https://pastebin.com/ex7E4neV

>>10229712
Thanks for adding a little levity to our Estonian cheerleading board.

>>10229321
>10/10, 'tism appreciated
thank you for including mine. my world was changed in 1st grade when my Indonesian classmate's mom came into my school to present on traditional shadowpuppetry. Great memories.

>>10229340
I almost starting doing this too anon I’m glad I’m not the only one who find them fucking hilarious
I love you

Is there a way to block people or filter them out of search results on lacemarket?

>>10229583
>more than a handful of autists on here,
Cgl has a monthly userbase of 1000 - 2000 people and those are just the ones that are posting.

>>10229928
I filter out Japan with Advanced search to avoid that soap person.

>>10229928
i gotchu senpai

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hide-lacemarket-scalpers/lalhiinaooiafghicjkcchkieadhcfbp/related

>>10229952
I believe it but I'm curious where you get those numbers from

>>10229661
Nice try, but 90% of cgl hates fatties, with fatties hating on other fatties.

Friendly once per thread general reminder that the listed measurements for a dress are the garment measurements and your body measurements should be minimum 2-4cm under these numbers to even hope to get a decent fit.

> one of my wishlist items pops up secondhand, preferred colorway + headbow
> is the one cut that'd flatter me the least

>>10227956
The preorder is over. Did anyone get one or see the samples in store?

>>10230106
Sadly I couldn't get any. I wonder if they would sell them online or is it just strictly a Laforet event

>>10230089
Everybody knows that, why do you keep posting this? You're not being helpful, only obnoxious.

>>10230127
If everyone knows this, why are there always so many really bad too-tight fits?

>>10230102
Then it wasn't meant to be. Don't buy some shit that you already know won't look good on you. Be a little more picky.

>>10229321
This is amazing, 10/10 for collecting all these.

Would like to add Singaporean Sampan building board to that list.

>>10230025
Someone posts stats on /qa/ every few months. Based on a data crawler or something similar they've made. Some archives also list statistics. I see if I can find the thread again

>>10230140
Nayrt but shut up if you’re just gonna be a nasty, salty bitch.

Did Moitie announce they were restocking their wrist-cuffs? I fucking always miss out on them. Meanwhile sweet brands have tons of nice wrist-cuffs in stock. It's so discouraging to be a gothic lolita sometimes.

>>10230210
Hah, why not both?

>>10230102
Feels thread. Why do you post this in the general? It’s not a good general topic about the fashion.

Back to topic: anyone going to be shopping AP summer sale? 40% off Antique Crown OP and all colors still in stock? Wow, unpopular? Noble Melodia op and jsk is pretty in the design but not in poly fabric, ugh. Quite a few blouses at 30% off though.

Speaking of sales, do VM ever have any? I’m looking to buy something directly from the brand for the first time and the piece I want has been in stock for around a year, so clearly not very popular, and it’s still full price. I don’t really know how brand sales work and when the sale season starts, if there is such a thing.

>>10230018
You are amazing, thank you!

>>10230212
What?

>>10229958
Why? I bookmarked soapbox because they've done great wardrobe clearing sales every once in a while

>>10230127
NAYRT but there are still retards out there leaving reviews on LM about dresses not fitting when they were the maximum measurement

>>10230237
They do and they’re often quite good, but the items currently in the sale section on the online shop are back at full price despite still being listed as on sale. Hopefully they reduce the prices again

>>10230361
Can confirm she's a good seller. Combined shipping and put up with my haggling, super friendly.

>>10230361
>>10230411
It's a shop, not her wardrobe. She spams the price drops category on lacemarket with things that aren't price drops at all, it's quite annoying.

>>10230361
>wardrobe clearing
She just posted something that she isn't sure is a replica or not, for 170 usd. Then, when it was pointed out to her that it's not a replica, she re-listed it for double. You can't honestly think that's from her own wardrobe.

>>10230424
I wish I had saved the description of that listing. "it has the Moitie tag but I cant find an official picture of it so it might be a replica" lmao

Next thread >>10229890

>>10230462
Why are you ignoring people who asked why you started it 30 posts too soon

>>10229229
I'm not envious in the slightest and I'm not talking about dates I meant like how long did it take to find that exact set up? Did she go to lots of malls looking for one using those colours over the more traditional ones? Or was it just a nice coincidence that she stumbled across one that matched her dress for this video?

>>10230106
I got one. There goes my disposable income for the month, but I'm so happy

>>10230465
I did not start the thread.

>>10229712
Meant for >>10229642

How would anyone feel about a comm. being run more as a social club? Lolitas put in say $10 -$30 a month and there's a treasury, president etc. you can contact at any point to ask where funds are going?

My comm is about 20 -30 people and we mostly do free events or picnics. The idea of it being a social club is so we could have more interesting and planned events, but split the costs amongst everyone rather than a single person who is hosting always being out of pocket.

>>10232606
I think you can do it if you charge a lot less. My girlfriend runs something similar but it's like 3$ a month. People don't show up for every meet, but since everyone pays , it's enough to cover the cost.