/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

It seems rare to see anyone wearing capelets, but I prefer them to boleros/cardigans. Is there anything ita about capelets that I don't know? Or people just don't like them as much?

>>10221062
They aren't as easy to style, they don't coordinate as easily with as many things. Which ones do you have in mind, there are several styles. The longer ones kind of get in the way if you are doing things, the short ones aren't very warm.

im a simple man. i see kyary, and i reply to the thread.

>>10221071
I really like these lacey ones, they come in a lot of different colors

>>10221062
They cover a lot, so it may seem almost as a why to hide a half done coord but don't listen, coord as usual, throw a cape on and call it.
Might want to buy cute pins for changing the drape.

>>10221062

I think capes look silly if they're not done by someone who knows what they're doing, but when done correctly, it's pretty swoon worthy. Pic very related

>>10221124
As long as you don't think wearing this is going to stand in for wearing a blouse. Also don't wear it with a casually styled coord. Study photos of how they are used and post some collages in the coord help thread for feedback before you buy one.

>>10221062

>>10221218 this, pretty much. Boleros and cardigans can stand in for blouses, cover up a little bit of ill fit, are modern and blend in with toned down stuff, doesn't flap about /restrict your arms and are generally a bit better at keeping warmth in.

Capelets are cool and all, but on top of being slightly less practical they're also outdated, so it's harder to find trendy examples of them.

Where can I get something similar? I have limited time and I need it in lavender.

>>10221432
>>10206850

But you may learn the hard way that having limited time is always a really bad idea. Planning well ahead, searching and waiting is the Way of Jfashion.

>>10221443
I was hoping to find any other brands (Japanese/Taobao/indie) that produce similar items rather than secondhand but thanks.

>>10221447
Then search those sources? This is kind of a spoonfeeding question and we don't do much of that here. You might ask in the TaoBao thread if anyone knows about one.

>>10221452
Are you new? This is stupid questions thread, chill. The question isn't even spoonfeedy.

>>10221432
Have you tried looking up your butt and around the corner? Good place to start

>>10221494
>being this salty over a legit question

>>10221218
>>10221285
Why can't it replace a blouse? It covers as much as a bolero/cardigan would

>>10221588
Oh honey

>>10221588
Because it’s very see through. Your shoulders would be visible.

>>10221504
Search for Bustier jsks anon.

>>10221638
It's better than going blouseless in the summer.

>>10221638
People wear off the shoulder blouses already... this is a better modest option imo.

>>10221638
That example is see through but a lot of cape and capelets are not

>>10221588
Think of what a cape is intented to do. Consider how bad it looks when people take certain out of season fashion trends and mash them together.
If you want to look sloppy and juvenile, by all means, don't let me stop you.

>>10221721
Capelets like >>10221124 are decorative and provide no warmth. They can be worn in any season.

>>10221124
To be honest, I think this looks a bit too cheap and tacky and I don't think it is a good fit for lolita. I can't really picture any coordinate that would be improved by this item.

>>10221722
That's less a cape. It has different rules.
More like a cape-like cousin to the lace shawl old ladies like wearing.

Is it normal for pieces with shirring to give you a lumpy shape even if you're thin? Is there any way to smoothen it out?

>>10221768
Did you buy it secondhand?

>>10221062
the replies are making it seem so difficult lmao. I think the main reason they're worn less than cardigans and boleros is that brands release them less often. AP is the most popular brand in the US and they rarely release capes. If you like capes, just wear them.

>>10221768
If it's a half shirred piece with lacing and waist ties, I try not to tie them too tight. Even if you're skinny, if the fabric is very thin then tightening the shirring too much will give you a weird shape.

>>10221775
Yes, why?

>>10221779
There's no lacing or waist ties on the piece in question, it's simply partially shirred in the back. But it causes my waist to look lumpy from the front. I've tried adjusting the shirring and it hasn't had much of an effect unfortunately.

>>10221782
It could have been stretched out.

>>10221782
It’s always gonna look a bit lumpy because the places where the elastic are get pulled tight and flat and the spaces in between aren’t so they kinda puff out a little. Just the bad thing about shirring. It’s why I HATE that Japanese brands are too lazy to actually make different sizes like entire rest of the world does and instead they put shirring in everything. So tacky.

>>10221783
Oh dear. I didn't get that impression when trying it on, so I can only hope that wasn't the case.

>>10221784
Yes, I think that's probably the case. I wouldn't say that Japanese brands are too lazy to make different sizes though, they probably don't think it's worth it since the market is so small and in general, lots of Asian fashion is already "one size fits all."

>>10221788
Sorry to double post, but just wanted to add, that doesn't mean I don't understand and share your frustrations, anon. One size obviously doesn't fit all, and it's sad when that means you won't look good in your favorite design.

>>10221062
I like them, but when I'm cold, it's too cold to wear just a capelet, but it also looks dumb to wear over a short sleeve blouse, so it has to be just the right temperature to wear both a long sleeve and another shorter layer on top of that.

>>10221588

Not when you raise your arms, anon.

Granted, I'm a daily lolita and I don't have the time or energy to worry about flipping my capelet by accident if I take something off a high shelf, or worry about how much of my armpit is visible when I try to wave a waiter over, etc.

I mean, all you're asking is why it's not as popular. Boleros and cardigans are just easier to live in most of the time, so they're the choice that people choose most of the time.

>>10220586
>>10220818

Loliables, anon. People put together Larme coord from F21 items whenever they find something that fits the aesthetic. Nothing's stopping Korean students from putting together something that looks like jfash from their own local brands.

Anyhow if you want cheap fast fashion, try Dongdaemun market and its surrouding areas. Lots of cheap Korean fashion to look at, you may be able to find something that meets your aesthetic, even if they aren't particularly targeted at j-fash.

>>10221679
I guess? There’s other alternatives than wearing a see through capelet
>>10221704
No shit
>>10221706
Anon asked about that ita capelet in particular, senpai.

Please help me order from antique beast.
I added one item to my cart, on step 3 and 4 it's showing three entries, quantity 1 for the item I picked, I try to edit quantity to remove two of the doubled entries bit it gives an error message saying 'all items registered in one shipping address cannot be zero'

Do I just have to start from square one?

What's the name of this choker? It was originally listed as Cross Arch and changed to Rose Cross Lace, but that also doesn't seem to be it.

>>10222184
Some Moitie blouses and cutsews come with detachable chokers and weren't released separately

I hate cutting wig bangs. Does any shop sell them pre-trimmed?

>>10222184

https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/fleur/products/a-00123

>>10222467
Just get a hairdresser to do it.

I have a discolored ivory blouse that's extremely old and all cotton/cotton lace, so I've been scared to try lifting the stains.

If I use oxyclean, will it lift the ivory dye as well as the discoloration?

If so, should I bite the bullet, oxyclean it, and then dye it back to ivory anyway?

>>10222563
I think Oxiclean is best for old blouses (depends on how long you soak), it’s the only way I’ve found to lift stains and clean items with lace without using agitation, which can damage the lace. And oxiclean doesn’t lift dye, that’s why you can use it on items with colors. If the ivory lifts out that means it wasn’t dye, it was yellowing from age.

>>10222485
Thanks. I was looking at the lolibrary and I must have been looking at a different choker. I appreciate it gulls. I'm always so paranoid about getting scammed.

>>10222570
Thank you so so so much!

>>10222612
No prob bob. Just make sure you rinse it really really well afterwards, or it will irritate your skin. You may even need to dunk it in soapy water to help get all the oxiclean out. Then make sure that when you lay it out to dry you straighten all the lace. Once it dries rumpled it’s super hard to get it to lay nice, even with a steamer

>>10222493
That would cost as much as the wig itself

>>10222467
>>10222639

Everybody's forehead height is slightly different, so clip-ins are usually left long because it makes more sense than stocking them in different lengths to suit every different people's foreheads out there.

>>10221704
Even off the shoulder blouse covers the arm pit. The arm pits need to be covered.

>>10222639
K, have fun chopping your wig bangs by yourself you cheap bitch

If I made pillows or something out of a replica dress I got scammed on would anyone buy them

>>10222639
A bang trim at a local reputable salon in my area costs 6 dollars. Ask them specifically for a bang trim. Or learn yourself, baby.

I wanted to ask, if you want an outfit or anything that you see someone wearing at a music video or a movie, how do you find the clothes to get it? When you see something that you like on someone, what do you do?

>>10222639
It is a one time investment of under $20. If your wigs are cheaper than that, I'm guessing they already aren't so great for lolita. Better post a photo or at least a link to one and ask.

>>10222998
Depends how obscure it is but movie title - costume designer or artist - costumes is a good start. Anything specific you are looking for, an example?

>>10221124
These are really big in Asian fashion rn, so I'd say go for it

>>10223006
This is what got me thinking about it. Like I know it’s likely super common/generic outfit (I think I seen the skirt before) but as someone who’s not really familiar with Japanese clothes and fashion, its intimidating. I’m sure there’s other unique fashions (that aren’t like costumes because I just read the OP that it’s for daily wear only) that’d I’d be interested to look for but I just wish I could just have a website that looks at clothes and gives you some sort of hint instead of just constantly pestering/asking here.

>>10223032
This just looks like high street fashion items, easily available, oversize pastel stripe windbreaker, striped pullover, stripe short crew socks, high top trainers and short plaid pleated skirt with long belt, not a specific fashion trend or named thing like ’lolita’ or such. So I would search for those items individually by name of the type of garment they are in Japanese or even US online shops. Or search the name of the stylist of this group, see if there is an interview or Google the name of one of the group girls.

>>10223040
Oh I know it’s not specific. Sorry if it doesn’t count here though. I wasn’t sure if it was worth asking /fa/ about it because I didn’t see a stupid questions thread over there. But thank you for the advice.

If I have a 88 cm bust, should I go for the size 9 (94 cm bust) or the size 11 (98 cm bust)?

>>10223042
You might get More and better replies from the effay crowd, especially if they have an Asian fashion thread going. Sometimes they do.

>>10223105
Depends what the item is, how it is supposed to fit and how accurate/reliable the brand’s sizing is.

>>10223113
I'm looking at these two blouses from Rosa Bianca.
https://rosabianca.jp/?pid=144301251
https://rosabianca.jp/?pid=144301848

>>10223111
I’ll try that as well, thank you anon.

>>10223120
Probably 9, unless you have broad shoulders or have had trouble with blouse buttons gaping.

>>10223105
I would get 11, honestly. Always easier to take it in just a bit than to let it be too tight. It gives other measurements than just bust, how are those for you?

Also it says
If you have any questions or concerns about the size, please do not hesitate to contact us.
You can fine-tune the sleeve length than the size option (for a fee).

>>10223125
I'll go with 9. Thanks, anon!

Where do you gulls buy rosaries? Are brand ones worth the price? Looking for something a bit more elegant and less bulky that the offbrand ones I have.

>>10223329
some churches sell them

>>10223329
Go ham or go home
https://www.vaticangift.com/semi-precious-rosaries/60-faceted-variegate-black-agate-rosary.html

>>10223334
I live in an orthodox shithole, unfortunately our rosaries are ugly as sin
>>10223338
This one actually looks great anon what the fuck

>>10223356
Because it's real stone and metal and not plastic fashion bead shit? Why not something decent jewelery quality, plus the blessing couldn't hurt.

>>10223338
Wow that’s over priced. I found similar on Etsy

>>10223384

I mean you're paying for the blessing of a pope for some people that's a premium right there.

What colorway of Happy Garden is most popular?

The sax is my favorite. But I feel like my tastes are always opposite of everyone else.

>>10222943
No, I would think you bought the replica to make pillows, thus I'd be supporting replica makers by buying from you. Why not use the pillows in your own house or give them away?

>>10223329
At famous churches and monasteries. Sometimes even unknown ones have a small shop.

>>10223414
Because I want it out of my house and I spent brand amounts of money on it

>>10223455
You can sell the replica itself on ebay for $30-50. That's much more likely to sell than pillows

>>10223384
Then buy the one on Etsy. Point is that it's easy to find decent rosaries at quite a few prices and places. I posted the holy one so someone would go ’meh, I bet I can find it cheaper and still good’, and behold the miracle, you did just that.
People are lazy fucks if you tell them ’Google is your friend, no spoonfeeding’ but give them something to prove wrong or something they think is overpriced and BOOM...they get searching pretty quick, don't they? It's even cheaper still on Amazon. You’re welcome.

>>10223413
I'm guessing pink, but close second is lavender because it coords well with yellow as the complimentary colour.

>>10223455
Just resell it in an alt account as a replica and be done with it.

>>10223413
Sax is also my favorite, but I'm sure pink is the most popular.

Who gives a crap if your tastes don't align with the masses desu. At least the colorways you want will sell for less secondhand.

>>10223513
>>10223526
I will do this

>>10223413
Get the one you like best. Or the one you think you’ll be happiest coordinating best. It’s a great dress for pulling in the secondary colors for accessories but I still really only like to wear it in spring or summer so I like lavender instead of my usual black.

>>10223524
I guessed that pink would be most popular too, but I always thought any other color than sax looked odd because a pink or lavender sky is slightly unnatural.

>>10223555
>the colorways you want will sell for less secondhand
This is very true and I should probably be more thankful

>>10223569
I'll definitely stay true to myself because I know I'd never wear it in any other color. I'm just always scared I choose the "ugly colorway" or something.

>>10223588
Sax is definitely not the ugly colorway here (it's actually the best, in my opinion), but even if it was, like that other anon said, do you. Don't worry so much about what other people think.

>>10221432
I have this exact parka in lavender. How much would you be willing to pay?

>>10223588

>pink or lavender sky is slightly unnatural

I've heard someone say that pink sky is sunrise, the day is just getting warm. Lavender is sunset as the day is ending so it's getting colder.

Probably the ugly colour is black, even though it's the night sky pastel on black is kinda unpopular at the moment, the print usually looks like pastel mush.

For future reference, to find the "ugly" colours, you should just check secondhand prices of sold items. It's going to be very different, like if you check CDC the ao and navy go for really high and then the pink and lavender are way less popular and sell for nearly half the price.

You should also think about your own skintone and what looks good on you, some people can't wear lavender or blue tones as it brings out the yellow in their skin, making them look like mud, or some people can't wear black as it highlights their veins, making them look sickly. One person posted to egl that pink brings out her rosacea and accentuates all her pimples. At least make sure you won't have issues with any of the colours before you selecting based on popularity.

>>10223588
Giant pastel cartoon bunnies with polka-dot bows, long eyelashes, fever cheeks and huge white puff tails also aren't very ’natural’ either...so I think that boat has sailed already with this print.

Can basically everything be coorded with a white or black blouse? Or do I need to buying lots of different colors?

>>10223876

Almost. The three colours are black, white and ivory. Classic tends to work better with ivory.

As for what you need, that always depends on the rest of your wardrobe. It's not even the colours, sweet, classic, aristocrat (madame/ouji) have minor differences like whether the collar is big or small, rounded or sharp, and it can basically make or break an outfit.

If you're just starting out, sticking to one aesthetic and making sure everything you add to your wardrobe matches everything else helps to keep it small and coherent.

If you really want one single blouse to rule them all, then its the high neck white blouse, long-sleeved, paired with white lace tights (the white tights are important). Usually works with almost every jsk cut, even the minisleeves or halterneck cuts, and the white being repeated between blouse and tights means even with a jsk with ivory lace the colours still look balanced.


People tend to buy blouses in different cuts and colours because it's fun. Plus, drastically different blouses can make the same jsk look very different, so it's getting more use out of a smaller wardrobe.

>>10223887
High neck blouses don't look right with a lot of pastel sweet AP jsks.

>>10223929

It'll look decent enough that it won't be the reason you end up in the ita thread, which isn't too bad for trying to force one single blouse to work with everything.

How can i make a corset coord without breaking the silhouette?
I mean poof starts from a waist, but corsets usualy go down to hips...

>>10224082
Get a cincher as they tend to be shorter and end more near your waist. Or you use a corset as a foundation garnet so the length isn’t as much as an issue.

>>10224083
You mean wearing the skirt with petti over the corset?

https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-frilled-petticoat

Is this BTSSB "Petticoat" acceptable as a skirt, or should I only use it as an underskirt?

>>10224117
>https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-frilled-petticoat
it can and has been worn as a skirt.

>>10223413
I think Lav will be the most sought after. This is based on how well the bunnies show against it. The sax and pink are cute, but are the same/very close to the same colors as some buns. The black will be niche, they really should have gone for a grey or something at least less stark.

>>10224082
waspie corset or ‘corset belt’

My boobs are very average size but as Japanese brands make the waist on their dresses a lot higher my boobs look like they're hanging too low and I would like to hide them. Is the binder only way to go about this? I would prefer using something like minimizer bra but they don't seem to make them in enough small size.

>>10224170
Don't wear high waisted dresses. Sheglit currently has a bunch of things in stock that should fit better. You can also layer with things like pic related.

>>10224120
ty anon!

>>10224173
Okay but no thanks t. AP sweetfag

>>10224170
A binder will give the best results, minimizer bras do very little

Does Btssb have an official EU reseller?

So I bought this coat second hand but it smells like ... humidity ? As if it was stored in a place with no aeration for a very long time. I took it to the dry cleaner's and the smell has improved, but is still strong (if I wear the coat, my clothes will pick up the smell pretty quickly) Do you think I can safely throw it in the washing machine ? Any suggestions to get rid of the smell ?

>>10224221
Spray it with Febreeze

>>10223032
I’m late but this all looks like it’s ftom Chuu.

>>10224224
Don't do this.

>>10224221
Is there a materials tag and a care tag anywhere t all inside? Depends what it is made of. A good dry cleaner should know how to de-stink it but you have to tell them. If you can’t wash it, you may be able to spray it with pure ethanol (everclear) mixed with a bit of lavender essential oil and kill whatever is funking it up. This is how people freshen non-washable stage costume pieces.

>>10223591
Depends on the condition. About 50 USD?

>>10224266
Why not?

>>10224195
Just because you like prints you want your body to look like shit? And you can't layer with AP?

>>10224360
Because you cheap bastard, you'll smell like you didn't bother properly washing yourself, and no amount of those perfumes and 'odor eliminators' will actually servicably fix the issue, which could very well be mildew.
>>10224221
Anon, if it's mildew, with a musty damp / BO smell you can use an acid to remove it, you may want to check if you can soak it in a solution, but you could also try freezing it, as weird as that may sound.

>>10224221

You can try to air it out and see if the smell goes away. The cupboard smell is one thing, dry-cleaning usually smells of chemicals too.

Heat and cold also help to break down certain smells, you can either freeze it, or if it's that moldy kind of smell, leaving it outside on a hot sunny day will kill that smell. Just don't do this too often and be careful with direct sunlight, it bleaches all colours so you could end up with a bleached coat if you leave it out in direct sunlight too long.

Alternatively, you can seal it in a bag with some baking soda and let the baking soda absorb the smell (dust the soda off later, use masking tape if it's stubbornly sticking to the coat). There's also the kind of little padded things sold for absorbing feet smells from your shoes, you can seal that into the bag with the coat as well and see if it will absorb that smell.

Even if you wash it, there's no guarantee the smell goes away.

If you really want to wash it regardless. If it's a hoodie-type coat we're talking about, it's okay to throw it in the washing machine, cold water only. If it's one of those heavier winter coats, find a way to hang it up in the shower (it'll get heavy when wet). Then wash it as if you're washing a large furry baby, cold/tepid water only. Squeeze all the water out of it gently and lay it flat on a drying rack someplace where it can drip, with good airflow around it. Make sure the coat isn't skintight to begin with, sometimes the lining fabric inside the coat shrinks when it washed with water, and don't do this too often. Quite often the type of felted/furry fabric coats are made from don't really like water and seem to wear out too easily after being washed a couple of times.

t. was a student who couldn't afford dry cleaning for my one nice coat I owned for 5 years.

>>10224224

Similarly, Febreeze has its own smell, and it doesn't really absorb certain scents that well, so you just end up with a really, really funky scent at the end.

>>10224170

Binders/minimizers don't help. You're supposed to find a pushup bra that actually hikes your boobs UP, not squish it in.

I mostly stick with jsks with adjustable shoulder straps.

>>10224370
It works fine for me and is worth a try imo.

>>10224373
I second this. Get those girls high!!

>>10221721
>Juvenile
J-fashion is juvenile. Most japanese fashions are childish.

>>10224363
I would rather shape my body with exercising and undergarments as long as it is possible without surgery. Fatties should do this too.

Why circle skirts arent suitable for lolita?

>>10224224
>>10224294
>>10224370
>>10224372
Thank you so much for the advice anons ! It's a heavy polyester winter coat with a cape (the tag says dry cleaning only, no tumble dry), and the fabric is in mint condition, so I was afraid of ruining it. But with your advice, I feel like I can try to get rid of that smell without damaging the fabric.

>>10224453
They're not kawaii

>>10224453
They don't work with the silhouette

>>10224453

They work for lolita, they're just a pain, especially with newbie sewers. They just have a lot of different issues you need to keep an eye on, otherwise you end up with a pos like this thing here

Fuck, I missed Antique Beast's opening. When can I expect them to open up again?

>>10224515
They seem to open every other month, so sept is next.

Will the 12M Aurora & Ariel petti be too big for most old school pieces? In some Taobao reviews the petti looks almost small under light chiffon dresses.

Where can i get nice looking tea party shoes for big feet?

My wardrobe is completely kuro and I want to add some interesting printed blouses but it's hard to find any. Can anyone recommend where I can find printed blouses or any specific brand releases? Long sleeves preferred.

>>10224584
Antaina, Angelic Imprint. I think Cotton Candy Feet makes some as well.

I’m so confused about the whole “Itabags” thing? You know, like. The pastel bags with a seethrough window that usually has 9000 bnha pins inside. Or at least that’s what I think itabags is reffering too. If it’s “ita” I’m suprised there’s so many positive comments on those bags? Are they generally frowned on in Lolita or nah? (Dumb question but that’s the point of the thread so.)

>>10224671
The names both come from the Japanese word "itai", indicating they're both painful to look at, but the only reason they're associated is because all weeby things outside Japan get lumped together. Itabags are meant to be painfully cluttered, ita coords are failures.

Since itabags show otaku obsession with a specific character or series, they're not really lolita suitable, but I guess you could make an Usakumya or Milk-chan or Hello Kitty itabag for OTT sweet, if you wanted.

Is anyone else having trouble accessing areas of Zenmarket's website to pay for things? I've already messaged them, but the website's been so buggy for me that it crashes whenever I try to pay for goods. didn't know where else to put this

Ohh gotcha. So Ita bags aren’t exactly considered ugly in of themselves, because they are self aware that they are weeby, unlike the oblivious Lolita ita who thinks they look great.

And I wish I had a zen market answer, I agree it’s buggy.

I know it's not very cute but throw me a bone here. What is this dress? All I know is that it's Meta

>>10224584
Sosic Shop goes up to size 42

>>10224563
12m is the standard poof one (with 8m being minimum poof and 16m being huge poof) so it may be too big

what are everyone's favorite decoden phone case shops? I want to splurge and buy a nice one when I get a new phone

>>10224725
https://lolibrary.org/items/meta-apprentice-school-uniform-jsk

should I give up on trying to make rocking horse straps stay up? sock glue doesn’t work, pins don’t work, nothing works.

>>10224563
I found 12m was a little too big, but the main problem with it was length. I tend towards older moitie and shorter skirt cuts and it peeked out way too far to be salvaged. I'll likely get another in 8m, and ask for it to be made shorter because it was very nice quality for the price

>>10225009
Double sided tape?

Is the logo ribbon like craft ribbon and are these flowers sewn on or glued on?

Am I not measuring my shoulder width correctly?

My dream dress is:
Bust: 85-100cm
Waist: 70-90cm
Shoulder width: 31cm

And my measurements are:
Bust: 84cm
Waist: 65cm
Shoulder width: 38cm

How can I be so far above the shoulder width when my bust and waist are smaller than the minimum? I've never bought tops or dresses from Japanese brands because of my shoulder width, only skirts.

>>10225009
Yes. It’s never been easy to make them stay up. I think most ppl do it for photos then walk with it tied on the ankle.

>>10225056
I can’t say without looking at it in person but I’m sure it’s glued on. Ribbon is ribbon it just was custom done, not sure what type they use.

>>10225272
You can just be built wide in the shoulders. Check stuff you own to see if the shoulder makes sense.

Has anyone looked into finding "sister sizes" for their phones? For instance, is it possible to find a phone case of a more popular brand(like an iphone, or galaxy) that will also fit my Xiaomi redmi note 7? I am curious if I can expand my options for cases this way. I find so many cute ones but they are never for my phone in particular.

I've been out of the wig game for a while. What are good shops for wigs on Aliexpress/Taobao these days? Looking for natural style and color primarily but also interested some natural style wigs with interesting color, especially with ombre effects etc.

>>10225283
I checked already. And in normie clothing I wear XS and S which fits fine at my shoulders. I was kind of hoping Japanese brands have a different way of measuring. Pic related has a 36cm shoulder width and she doesn't look broad shouldered, nor do I.

Dropped pic
>>10225361

>>10225284
I’ve seen some that look a little like books, Moitie and JetJ have some and they fasten to the phone itself with adhesive and magnet so they fit a range of sizes. Not all, of course but you can at least check the measurements on them.

Wtf does “on hold” mean when it’s in a title of a listing on LM

>>10225395
It means it's reserved for someone.

>>10225272
how tall are you? you may be more likely to be broad-shouldered if you're on the taller end. you can change weight (doesn't seem to be a problem with you), but you can't change height or bone structure, unfortunately

does anyone have the link to that glossary of search terms/translations for japanese secondhand sites?

>>10225427
But then why would they make a listing for it?

>>10225523
For transaction feedback purposes. And to document a purchase and the terms of sale.

>>10225523
Maybe I want to sell something to the first person who is interested in buying it instead of the person who buys it first. I prefer for people to message me about shipping first. If I'm working out a payment plan with someone, discussing a trade, or they're waiting for me to reply about shipping, I put it on hold.

>>10225531
>>10225536
What does it mean when the on hold listing price is severely marked down from what I assume was the initial price?

If I want to supplement my small but growing brand closet with some less expensive, more everyday pieces, which are easier to find and buy, am I better off with TaoBao things, fanplusfriend since they do custom and I’m taller or maybe think about some of the really budget solid color items from Bodyline now that Mr Yan is gone?

>>10225543
It depends on your personal style. What substyles and themes are you going for?

>>10225539
That it's probably damaged or unpopular

>>10225543
Most taobao shops are inconsistent, use fake advertising and make design replicas. If you're new to taobao, it'll take some time to recognise which shops you want to buy from. Especially if you're cheap. It's easier to give recommendations if we know why you're asking this. Are you looking for lolita fast fashion because you get dirty/damage your clothes easily every day or do you want a more functional wardrobe quicker?

>>10225545
I guess what I want most is everyday elegance but not too fussy. I like ruffles but not completely sweet, I like black, navy or lavender in my colors and being tall, nothing too babydoll/short in style. Aside from Japanese brand prints(I have a wishlist for those) I like solids, things I can wash at home and things that are nice but still budget enough to get pieces I can mix/match without too many distinctive prints, I’ll get brand prints for the most impact there. More everyday wear, I’d say.

>>10225551
Functional more quickly plus wash and wear and not too many non-burando prints. Eventually I will buy some brand solids but they are expensive for me now plus hunting them takes time. I’d like to wear lolita more often and my local comm meets 2x/month and I don’t want to keep repeating my things like a costume.

>>10225552
I'd go with taobao, specifically To Alice and Neverland Lolita, and find some filler. They generally have some classy(ish) stuff for cheap.

I see a lot of blouses on taobao listed as "apricot" for the color and I can't tell from pics if that's supposed to mean biege, pale pink, pale orange or what? Anyone know?

>>10225554
Thanks so much for the recommendations, anon! I’ll definitely check them out.

What's the longest anyone has waited to receive an invoice from Lacemarket? I'm hoping eveything is ok with the seller but it's been a few days and she hasn't sent the invoice yet. I've already messaged her a few times through LM and even contacted a mod. She's has 100% positive feedback as well as comments saying she has great communication and still no reply or invoice :(

>>10225471
This one?
https://frozen-yjapan.livejournal.com/567.html

>>10225695
Oh my god you fucking autist, just fucking chill out. It's been three days and you already roped a mod into your bullshit?

>>10225552
Nayrt but I would buy skirts from brands like Miho Matsuda, Metamorphose, Emily Temple cute, Maxicimam, Putumayo. Skirts cost less than dresses and you don't have the problem of the bodice being too short. I think zenmarket is the cheapest SS.
But maybe I'm biased because taobao isn't that cheap for me. Shipping is much more than shipping from Japan for some reason.
I also recommend saving money by going to meets less often for now. Every time you eat out, you could have bought burando from that money. I got pic related for 28 euro, going to a meet for me is around 30 euro with transport.

>>10225705
nayrt but 3 days is a really long time to wait, if people are going to be putting stuff up for sale they have to make themselves available for when someone actually buys something. I generally expect replies within 24 hours

>>10225740
No it isn’t. People have lives, jobs, etc. If you need to get the shipping price you also need to go and get that done to invoice correctly.

Do people in Japan (and now Shanghai I guess since there is a new ‘flagship’) perceive Bodyline any differently now that a Japanese person/company owns it? I would be interested to learn if it’s reputation has improved since Mr Yan is gone. They are keeping updates and really posting a decent amount on 2 Instagrams and their Twitter.

>>10225468
I'm 162cm. Do you think the girl in the picture is broad shouldered?

>>10225734
Thank you Anon, that is a good idea on the skirts, I’ll start looking and thanks too for the SS tip, I need to learn to use one and really start hunting smartly for good deals! Maybe TaoBao isn't the answer if there are deals like you found on brand solids. Is getting a brand dress that cheap a frequent thing if you are diligent? I'm researching the Japanese second hand market today with a fresh eye!

I hate to miss meets because even though I dress for myself, I want to support the comm as much as I can so it remains strong and we keep having meets.

>>10225773
It takes long for me to find really good deals, because I already have a complete wardrobe and now I'm only looking for wishlist things while still on a budget. But I love window shopping so I don't mind looking at dozens of pages of things I won't buy. I do regularly see things from the brands I mentioned for 1000-3000, but most of my main-pieces were 4000-8000 yen.

>>10225761
it's not that hard to check your email for LM messages every day. I get that shipping the actual package could take a while if someone works full time, but it takes less than 5 min to send a shipping quote. it's not like you have to go to the post office for that, so there's really no excuse

>>10225809
Not them but noob to selling here. I have only sold a few things before and I always had to go to the post office to weigh the item to get an estimate. I am looking to sell a whole bunch of shit now. Do people who sell a lot weigh things at home for estimates? What kind of scale? How does one get a 5 min estimate?

>>10225813
you can generally estimate how much things will weigh based on item type (dress, blouse, socks, etc.). where I am, the postal service's website has a calculator where you can get a quote based on weight intervals, so like a package weighing 0.5-1kg to France will cost x amount for tracked shipping for example. once you can estimate that a blouse + packaging might be, say 400g, you just pop that into the calculator and it spits out a price. if you're worried about estimates, a regular kitchen scale is accurate and cheap

>>10225539
I've personally changed the BIN price to the agreed price and put the item on hold. I'm sure that there many be a few other sellers that do the same at least some of the time.
If it's a small difference I generally don't bother.

>>10225554
Both of your recs have such shit quality, I'm not sure what that says about your taste, but it certainly makes me think you've never owned them.

Ok I'm an amateur when it comes to the fashion but have an ok collection of main pieces. My biggest issue to date is I don't know where to find and buy lolita shoes. I know Antaina is a good offbrand store but they're taobao so it's hard for me and I don't know how to order off of AP's jp website because they have more size options.

>>10224810
@sofiaskawaiishop on insta makes really cute cases

>>10225914
They're cheap. That's what they're there for.

>>10225916
You need to get a taobao fowarding service or a japanese shopping service for both of those

>>10225952
Nayrt but it's not worth it to buy from taobao only to get a pair of shoes.

>>10225916
AP is easy. Get a forwarding service. Tenso is advertised right on their website. Or use any of the numerous others. Sign up, you get a Japanese address and plug that into AP's site when you order. Then the forwarding service will email when they receive it and you'll pay their fees +international shipping.

>>10225916
Yosukes or bust.

>>10225695
>a few days
>already messaged her a few times
>even contacted a mod
That seller will never sell to you again, lol.

>>10225809
Some people aren't glued to their phone or PC. Also pretty sure americans get their shipping prices directly from the post office, they can't calculate it online.

>>10226066
The USPS has online shipping estimate tools actually

>>10226068
Can they print their labels online too?

>>10226068
They are absolute garbage though.
It's always cheaper if I get estimates in person.

>>10225782
I know people may be protective of their sources but could you share a few please? I'd really like to stick with Japanese brand and not start with taobao so much, it seems like almost a different focus.

Are there any types of flats suitable for classic? I feel like footwear has become more versatile throughout the years, but I still struggle to find good shoes for classic that aren't heeled. My feet are shit and hurt after 15 minutes of wearing heels.

>>10226084
Flats are actually pretty shit for your feet, but there are tons of comfy low heeled boots and comfort pumps that don't look like shit.

>>10226066
it's chill if people don't want to constantly check their email normally, but if you actually have active sales up it's your responsibility as a seller to communicate with buyers reasonably quickly. not doing so straight up makes you a shitty seller

>>10226084
flat mary janes

So I would like to customize my own phone case with rhinestones n shit. What glue can you use on those soft clear plastic(rubber?) phone cases? Something as permanent as possible.

>>10225740
nayrt, but if you did that shit to me I'd refund your money and sell the dress you want to someone who would be less of a pain in the ass.

Misako visited a BL store lately, and I have seen a couple girls who wear bl items on the street but I'm not sure about their general reputation.

>>10225914
What brands do you suggest then?

>>10225543
In my experience you have to be careful what you buy but Bodyline is usually better quality than most Taobao and F+F. They are machine washable and I like their solid designs better too. Too bad they don't restock more often but they still have some nice stuff.

How do you actually sit politely and neatly in a petti? Do you just sort of tuck it under your butt?

>>10226452
If your chair is deep enough, don't sit all the way back and leave some space behind you for the back of your petti and dress to sit. That way you're less likely to crease your dress by sitting on it. Unless it's longer than your knee, in that case you should probably tuck it under your thighs.

>>10226452
I kind of hold it behind me as I sit down so I don't flash anyone but I'm not sitting straight on it. It's kind of the same way you're supposed to sit in a hoop skirt.

>>10226070
Yep you sure can.

>>10226075
Idk why you're having a problem. It's never been an issue for me but then again I use a scale.

>>10226433
Generally it's bad but people buy from it if they're poor and nobody will shit on you for it

>>10226078
What do you mean? I already mentioned the brands

Wanting to get into lolita but, I generally don't like prints and my wallet isn't deep enough for brands. Is something like this dress still lolita?

>>10226452
Misako addresses this here. Took me 2-3x to get it right. Life changing. #3 in this video https://youtu.be/GiwZ6LLf_qU

>>10226499
if you spent 5 minutes looking around this board you'd see that there are multiple substyles of lolita and yes that pic is one of them

>>10226438
Thanks for the reply, for Bodyline, I plan to stick with the solid color items that I found good worn photos of online. I was hoping the impression of Bodyline is improving and they will be ok now.
Looking at these solids - L068, L348, L489, L445, L466
But I'm not so sure about pic related.

>>10226435
At work atm but give me a little time and I'll give you a real answer since you asked.

>>10226512
NAYRT but I would appreciate this too, please.

My question is about ’the rules’. Where did they come from exactly and where is the earliest reference for them? Are they a western guideline that has been gradually mistaken for a set-in-stone formula now? It seems like Japanese lolitas are ok sometimes with sandals, no legwear, no blouse, and things like the legwear and shoes in pic related (recent KERA snap from June) all being fine in lolita. Yet here this would maybe have hit the ita thread and people are crabby about the Safiya Nygaard video styling despite RinRin and several shop staff styling her. AP lookbook looks also often ’break the rules’.
What do?

>>10225552
Sibyl Heisei, Yolanda, Dear Celine, Aurora & Ariel

>>10226499
>my wallet isn't deep enough for brands
It's cheaper to buy secondhand brand than that dress in your picture though.. Just look here: https://egl.circlly.com/

>>10226499
>my wallet isn't deep enough for brands
It's cheaper to buy secondhand brand than that dress in your picture though. Look here:
https://egl.circlly.com/
https://www.closet-child.com
https://www.wunderwelt.jp/en/
https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/
https://www.rakuten.co.jp/
https://fril.jp/
Those places also sell secondhand taobao sometimes if you want to go even cheaper.

>>10226526
Wow, anon thank you so much for all these resources in one post!
>>10226507
I know there are multiple substyles but it looks a bit too much like cosplay to me so rather ask you know! I just didn't want it to look too "ita"

>>10226526
Thanks, anon! This is a good list. Are there additional good second-hand resources? People always complain about scalpers buying low and selling high but rarely list the places the scalpers get the most fabulous bargain for us all go shop these places too, thus ending the scalping?

>>10226555
>https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/
>https://www.rakuten.co.jp/
>https://fril.jp/
and
>https://www.mercari.com/jp/

>>10223413
Pink

>>10226567
Did you not see the list

>>10226555

You kind of have to be a neet and be sitting at the computer for all hours. For instance, I'm in CST, and I notice most cheap listings I miss are around the 3-6 am timeslots, not times I'm going to be up at due to work.

Also have good relations with your SS. My SS and I are on pretty good terms atm and they just did an order for me in 18 minutes flat yesterday.

So
>be neet
>have a pool of money or be prepared to sink some money into it

>>10226555
The main issue is that scalpers probably have no real job, so they can quickly buy things while we're all at work. Anyway, I forgot mercari and https://maidenclothing.net/

>>10226075
Sorry you're bad at using their website. If you have a scale, it's very cheap and if you buy through PayPal, it's even cheaper.

what does is mean to back order from ap’s official store? will it just take a little while longer to arrive?

Do you need a SS to buy from Maiden Clothing?

>>10226798
Back order on any website means it's out of stock and they're waiting for more.

Where can I buy Grimoire's verum tights? Do they still make them? Should I give in for a replica?

>>10226748
Good to know I'm just a retard then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>10226853
Short search turned up this in a few clicks so I assume you just need to search? https://mulberrychronicles.com/collections/hosiery

Burando print replicas are not considered ok to wear by most people in the fashion, but I've seen people wear tights replicas and list them as legit or as offbrand and no one has made a stink yet. Not to say someone won't though.

>>10226632
Oh, I understand now. Wow, it seems like it's kind of a chore, and I also need my sleep! But I want to learn the ropes to get myself clothed better for sure. Which shopping service do you recommend? Is it ok to ask or do people usually keep that sort of info to themselves?

>>10226889
>listing replicas as the real deal
This is how bitches get cut

>>10226902
What do you think?

>>10226902
Could be either way and no harm to ask. But I figured it might be hard to get a good shopping service recommendation to get started. Even for used clothes.

>>10226905
No one gripes about it either way unless someone would do it with a major lolita brand. Grimoire uses a lot of bog standard reproduced public domain clip art from the web on most of their tights so it's kind of a grey area between ’it's an original print’ vs ’they don't really have any original art on them’.

>>10226947
This is what I was thinking, figured it'd be worth a shot to search for the real deal before caving and buying a replica though. Wasn't super sure on the "morality" or reaction of the community or if I'd be crucified or not.

>>10226953
It's hard to find replicas as nice as the ogs, and when it's obvious it's distracting.

>>10226954
I figured, but I've heard even the originals were quite blurry. Worth a shot for a 8 dollars either way.

>>10221060
My gf wants to become a Lolita what is the first thing I should know about building outfits and such??

>>10226966
To learn to research and to read all the shit-ton of clearly marked lolita 101 material that a simple google search will give you. To not expect spoon-feeding. To be realistic about both your budget and about the costs of this fashion.

>>10226966
It’s so sweet you’re so supportive!

I’d say some absolute requirements for lolita are:

A petticoat

A blouse

A dress (duh)

Wrist cuffs

Socks (ususally the taller the better)

A head piece.

Shoes. (Not sneakers!)

Remember the dress is the main piece. So pick colors from everything else to match the colors in the dress.

>>10226853
You can find t them secondhand, often still in packaging. I would sell mine but I took them out of the packaging so I don't think anyone would buy them.

>>10226954
Not that many people in the US have real Grimoire tights. A handful or so buy the real deal. Kind of the same as with RHS.

>>10226974
>A dress (duh)
This advice makes me sad because a lot of lolitas I know would look much better in skirts

>>10226956
All of my legit verums are very vivid and soft.
If you get the socks or opaque tights you'll find they're durable too, not quite as thick as Teja's though.

>>10226976
I get you, I wish it were easu to get more and that I wasn't a poorfag when they had stock. Oh well.

>>10226966
https://thelolitaguidebook.tumblr.com/anatomy

>>10226977
>>10226981
Good to know, I'll keep an eye out for secondhand ones in the meantime!

How the fuck do I get my hair to stay curled? No matter what I do, they seem to fall out within an hour. I've tried using a curling iron and hot rollers. Do I just need to douse my hair in Aqua Net and hope for the best? Do overnight rollers tend to keep a curl for longer?

I have mid-back length, mostly virgin hair that I rarely heat style.

I've wanted to try lolita for years, but I don't want to buy an entire outfit in case i think i look stupid (way too tall). Is it rude to ask a friend if they would be willing to style me in something from their wardrobe? I wouldn't leave their company/house but just want to know how I'd look before investing.

>>10227041
I'd say this is a great idea if that are a close friend. And I'd ask them what dresses/accessories they are comfortable with you trying on (don't assume their whole wardrobe is free game).

I say this because there are very few people I'd dress with items I own and they are very close to me. I'd say no to someone if they were more of an acquaintance.

>>10226517

>rules

(nayrt)

It's a western problem, the western side of lolita has always been inundated with the strangest things -- normies showing off their "sexy lolita geisha costumes". Weebs wearing fuzzy arm warmers and cat ears with their t-shirt because surely lolita is animu catgirls. Itas not braining why an eBay lacemonster isn't the same as Btssb's Elizabeth OP. And these were girls who want to get into lolita, not counting folks trying to sell us circle skirts or patchwork unicorns, or the ones insisting lolita must be sex because Nabokov (but his book is too boring and they'd rather talk about sex)

To help combat misinformation, some girls started doing Lolita 101 panels at cons and writing up info for beginners, like a guide to good and bad lace, guide to taobao shops, guide to ordering from yja/ss/etc, and so on and so forth. The two drawings of "anatomy of a lolita outfit" came out around this time, it became really popular because not only did it visually show you all the items you needed for an outfit, it also laid out which items go where. The lolita handbook (https://lolita-handbook.livejournal.com) was also written to explain what items of clothing go where.

So the thing about the "rules" was never the ass-backwards "you must meet these rules to be lolita". It's actually written as a guide to help newbies dress themselves. It's fine to ignore them if you don't need them, but quite often you come across someone so clueless it's easier to point them at the anatomy of a lolita image and tell them to copy that, or follow the rules, 9 times out of 10 it helps you find a fix to your outfit.

Japan's never really had this problem of so many outsiders assuming lolita is whatever they imagine. Even when they're not buying a entire outfit from brand they have a pretty good grasp of what lolita is supposed to look like just from being able to see the brand shops. So they never really this much help figuring out what's lolita and what is nonsense.

>>10227043
I think its hard to define our friendship - they live quite far away but we are very close when we get to hang out, i feel like. I really understand that they're the ones in control over their wardrobe, as someone who wears other jfashion i wouldn't want to lend everything out. Might ask them the next time we meet up, if i dare to lol

>>10227029
Do you clip the curl up until it cools, and have you tried rag curling using mousse to hold the curl rather than heat styling? My failsafe is non-heated rollers in damp hair with a heat-protective curl gel, blow dry and wait to cool, but it takes me nearly 2 hours to set my hair like that.

What’s the best way to wash items with faux fur like Sugar Dream Dome and Lovey Snow Bunnies?

When it comes to shipping stuff from an SS through DHL, is it a better idea to ship
a bunch of items altogether, or split your items into small packages and ship them separately? I heard they use volumetric weight, so what's the best "deal"?

>>10226977
Which ones and how much would you ask? Can you take a good pix of the new condition/feet parts unworn? Looks like I might need to make a throwaway for buy/sell here after all.

>>10227044
Also, to point out. I mentioned this in some other fb group elsewhere, but a majority of the western lolitas got into the fashion or were introduced to it via anime, manga and other weebish interests. There are plenty of people who joined the fashion without this background, but they are a minority.

In the west, and especially as the term "cosplay" has taken on a household dinner-table term, we're constantly trying to seperate "costume" and "cosplay" from lolita, probably far more excessively than the Japanese need to. (I'm not sure about other Eastern communities, such as the Chinese comms).

It's so much that going OTT, wearing "costume elements" for appropriate events (such as large tea parties) or even wearing brand-released plastic jewelry, ALA AP is considered "costumey", and heaven forbid a fandom coord be posted online.

Now we've got some lolitas who have been in the fashion since everyone wore handmade and In The Starlight, and people who have just joined who keep regurgitating ideas that they feel are "the rules" because everyone else newer around them says so.

I feel like once you've been in the fashion for long enough, you reach a point where the same old coordinates just aren't interesting enough and you feel the need to branch off, experiment, and this is where bending "ALMIGHTY THE RULES" comes into play. And yet, this is instantly ita if it's not a carbon copy of those old anatomy images that have been floating around for years.

For example: bangs or the lack thereof, whether wigs are appropriate or whether you must always wear a wig, skirt lengths, blouse styles, whether or not you can do this or that. Or whether a cosplayer can be a good lolita, or whether lolitas who wear lolita to cons are even real lolitas.

Most weebs have never ventured into fashion beyond Hot Topic or general fast fashion. They don't know about proper styling and most wouldn't know high quality or proper construction if it hit them in the face.

Does anyone remember the name of that rape fetishist, nazi sympathizer lolita from the LJ days?

>>10227520
Nana Rapeblossom?

>>10227535
Yes, thank you!

What would you really like to see in a lolita instagram? More interesting events and places they travel? Maybe nicer shots or stylized themes? Or just something like endless coords?

>>10224563
Yes, 12m is too big for oldschool and older moitie pieces. I've run into this problem a lot lately.

>>10227282
>In The Starlight
Wew lad, I don't remember the last time I heard that name, how things have changed

>>10227044
>>10227282
We need a website for essays like this, tagged by topic. If Hello Lace had continued to expand, I feel like it would have been a good place to have an essay tab. I’m starting to dislike social media and wish for a dedicated website of our own again.

>>10227677
a proper forum would be great too

Dumb question obviously but. The fuck does CGL and EGL even mean.

>>10227680
Do you think people would still use a forum though? I only have one hobby where people still will and it’s having a hard time due to first photobucket then Flickr shit gutting big chunks out over a decade of reference photos. A lot of people just left. But self hosting forum images gets expensive too. I was thinking on what to do when I looked at the LJ EGL archives that started in 2000. I’m thinking of looking into sucking them down to preserve. Maybe I’m paranoid but I have a feeling LJ is just gonna go poof with little warning, maybe sooner than we anticipate. I still look things up there but I’m not sure who else does. I wonder if any of the Hello Lace admin are still around in the fashion. Some of it is saved in the wayback machine.

>>10227724
Google is your friend, we don’t spoonfeed here. The general rule is that if the answer can be found in the first 3 pages of a google search you’ll get told to fuck off to google. It told that ‘this cabbage (google) can be your friend’. So google that too. And watch Kamikaze Girls. Or better yet, read the book.

>>10227725
i'm on several doll forums and tv discussion forums, they're all pretty active. i don't know how active fashion forums generally are but i really prefer them to disjointed social media

>>10227724
cgl - cosplay & gothlic lolita
egl - elegant gothic lolita

the terms aren't used much anymore because different styles evolved besides gothic and sweet has essentially been queen for a decade now

>>10227725

Well I still send people to egl (or whatever livejournal comm I remember. Mainly egl, getoffegl, wtfburando, sew_loli.). So I do appreciate it, and it'd be wonderful if we had them archived somewhere.

is the strawberry doll special set jsk meant to fit very high-waisted? im dumb af and cant figure out if it will look shit on me or not. i recently tried on a friends misty sky op and it looked bad because it was too high waisted. in comparison this looks lower but maybe still not at a natural waist height. does anyone have any idea?

>>10227834
Depends on how tall you are or if you have big boobs. But unless you’re short and flat this will likely hit a little above your natural waist. Not right below your boobs like misty sky, but still above your waist

>>10227044
>It's a western problem
Those rules (or more just valid points for the lolita siluette) have been mentioned in almost every single japanese publication and to this day japanese lolitas rip others apart for not wearing a blouse or proper makeup. I hate this "rules are made up by westeners!!" meme.

>>10227044
>To help combat misinformation, some girls started doing Lolita 101 panels at cons and writing up info for beginners, like a guide to good and bad lace, guide to taobao shops, guide to ordering from yja/ss/etc, and so on and so forth. The two drawings of "anatomy of a lolita outfit" came out around this time, it became really popular because not only did it visually show you all the items you needed for an outfit, it also laid out which items go where.
This isn't true either. The lolita 101 guides started around 2003-2004, long before cons mentioned them and taobao got attention. Hell, in 2005 there were two entire books published for that sole purpose (Lolita Fashion Fancier). Western lolitas got it from Kera and the Gothic Lolita bibles, where those guidelines are stated several times and then spread it through livejournal and other forums that existed back then. They didn't just made it up because weebs stormed our fashion. And that picture is older than that too.

>>10226517
>Where did they come from exactly and where is the earliest reference for them?
I know they were refered to in one of the first 3 glb's, but I don't remember which. Kera started to mention some of them back in 2000 (wear a petti, wear hair accesoires, I think they also already mentioned blouses back then too). Alice Doll (made in 2001) is mostly a collection of the nicest lolita kera snaps but also mentioned essential gothic lolita accesoires (headdress, bags, parasols - they also refer to them as helmet, sword and shield lol) and important ones (gloves, kneesocks etc).

>Are they a western guideline that has been gradually mistaken for a set-in-stone formula now?
No, but people who weren't around long enough to have witnessed at least some of it love to pretend they are, because they saw someone wear a tanktop in the GOTHIC AND lolita bible and are desperate to call everything they like lolita.

>It seems like Japanese lolitas are ok sometimes with sandals, no legwear, no blouse, and things like the legwear and shoes in pic related (recent KERA snap from June) all being fine in lolita.
They aren't hellbent to call these kind of coord lolita though (the chinese on the other hand..). And Kera is a general J-Fashion magazine, they snap all kinds of outfits.

>Yet here this would maybe have hit the ita thread
Oh boy, visit 2chan sometime.

Is it possible to buy UTKs suitable for old school on AliExpres

>>10227834
Looks high waisted unless you're an actual midget

>>10227860
Interesting. So listing rules and guidelines but maybe not THE RURUS, as with the diagram in the west that became the rallying cry to denounce the blouseless. I do see snaps of Japanese that include lolita brands or items but deviate from the set rules but I wasn’t sure how they think of the coord then, and being one who mostly follows the rules anyway, I know better than to post a coord that breaks a rule unless I can handle someone criticizing it. Now I want to find the old G&LB references. It’s a bit easier now with OCR!
I’ve never been to 2chan, guess I should go see. I was wondering what Japanese lolitas said about the Safiya Nygaard video. Chinese reaction would be interesting too actually. But I don’t know where Chinese lolitas post their gossip.

I used to wear my jsk in non-lolita ways as sundresses sometimes, blouse-less in summer with bare legs and sandals. Most people in my area have no idea what lolita is unless they are in or around our really ting comm but one day a few years back I was dressed like this, standing at a store entrance waiting, someone stopped and looked at me, (surprised) and said ‘you are wearing lolita’. And I kind of felt like I had let her down in my representation of the fashion, standing there with my shoulders and toes out. The damage was done. Maybe stupid but I had a feel about it and was a little embarrassed.

>>10227860
Thank you. Found them used and on AmazonJP and a few page scans on LJ
Description
Content introduction
The strongest Lolita fashion bible, complete recording of the rules and coordination of Japan's unique fashion culture <Lolita> clothes, will finally appear! The essence of girl aesthetics, all here.
Contents (from "BOOK" database)
Japan's unique fashion culture "Lolita", the strongest Lolita fashion bible that fully contains the rules and coordination of clothes.

>>10222563
Eww, gross.
It's old and dirty, just throw it away

>>10227909
I’m guessing you don’t do well with historical clothing, vintage, antique etc. you realize that we are coming up on the times when the oldest burando will be officially classified as ‘vintage clothing’ right?

>>10227915
Anon, I'm not even into lolita but isn't it supposed to be treated like normal clothes?

>>10227951
Fuck off, why are you even here?

>>10227951
This is the worst case of retardation i have ever seen on cgl.

Is it a good idea to get a hime cut if I wear glasses? I've been considering getting it, but I don't know if I'll look like a dumbass w my glasses in the way

What should I do with my brand if I’m going to kms? I’m a lonelita, no online friends either, so nobody to pass it on to. I have a lot of rare pieces and would hate for them to end up in a landfill or on some sissy. Not bait, genuinely curious what others would do in a situation like this.

>>10227978
Don’t do it, the strands will sit awkwardly on top of the temples unless they’re curled inwards. Tucking them under looks even worse. I had to wear contacts outside when growing my hime cut out, otherwise it looked horrible.

>>10227978
Use a photo and shoop several hime cuts on yourself and see. How long or thick the side locks are has a lot to do with it, so consider that along with your face shape and hair thickness/texture too. I have a hime cut and glasses and I like it but I have pin straight hair and I have cut my sidelocks in several lengths and thicknesses to finally find the right style to suit my face. I think round glasses suit the style best too so I found good round frames that also suit my face shape well. Mine have anti reflection coating which helps the look a lot too.

>>10227986
If you have the right hair texture for this cut, the side locks are ok with glasses without heat styling every day but even if you have to heat style they get trimmed regularly so it’s ok. It’s just not an easy care wash and wear hairstyle like some people seem to think unless your texture is just right.

Don’t kys. It’s the only way to be sure to guarantee that your brand doesn’t fall into the wrong hands. Stay alive and collect more to save it.

>>10227958
What if I was interested in getting into it?
You're just going to alienate people like this

I have a $120 gift card to Nordstrom. Is there anything loliable there? I could supplement it with my own money, but I'm not likely to buy anything over $200 unless it really blows my mind.

what SS should I go to if i want to purchase an MTO from the laforet grand bazar?

>>10228003
Sell the gift card for money and buy lolita instead

>>10228003
You can usually get a good variety of beauty/cosmetics/haircare products there.

>>10228003
If you wear classic or gothic, they occasionally have nice shoes, and much higher quality than typical lolita shoes.

Sorry if this isn’t the right thread but where can I get a decent petti for cheap. The two I have now are pretty sad. I know wunderwelt’s is supposed to be great but I just don’t have 100 to drop on a petti rn. ((Shipping would be about an extra 50 on top of the 50 for the petti it’s self)

>>10228039
taobao. I have heard good things about ariel and aurora or something like that. also, melikestea, and my best petti I got from LM.

>>10227860
Never used 2chan, on which board do the lolitas congregate?

>>10227861
I've not found any. The lace is generally too modern or too constricted to the sock. Your best bet is secondhand if you don't wanna cough up 50 dollars for brand ones.

Is there any shopping service for Mercari/Fril that will let you order when it's the middle of the night in Japan? I know it sounds ridiculous, but I ask because I just missed a dream item because of this.

>>10227861
>>10228045
https://www.maxicimam.com/?mode=cate&cbid=216963&csid=12
These are brand and around 25 dollars... I thought lolitas who claim to be into old-school would know about maxicimam lol.

>>10228064
Im really new to it, anon

>>10227986
Pre-setup lacemarket drafts and create lots/sets that only have to be posted so whoever is mentioned in your will doesn't have to do much work.

Can someone put the colorways of Fancy Candy in order of popularity?

>>10228011
I'd rather not go through the extra effort because I can easily just buy bedsheets or something and I'm not strapped for cash.
>>10228015
I use pretty minimal make-up, so I didn't think of that, but maybe now is the time to get some variety.
>>10228016
I do. I looked at the shoe section because that's what I would most prefer to buy, but the ones I saw look too plain for lolita. Are there any currently listed ones that you consider good enough?

>>10228080
Special set light pink, white, “”””sax””””, black, dark pink. Sax or black could be switched around possibly?

Whenever I try to go to the meta site on mobile, I get secure connection failed/connection reset error, but on my home laptop it works fine. Is it just me? How can I get it working on mobile?

>>10228006
I'm using Muuh

>>10228091
>maybe now is the time
If nothing else you could pick up some nice skincare products.

>>10228064
Most of those are fugly and the lace is too short for that oldschool feel. While my older pieces from them are nice, all of my newer pieces have been questionable quality.

>>10228114
They look literally the same as what they released in actual oldschool days. You just want to be a bitter special snowflake.

>>10228045
Not even Moitie charges 50 dollars for socks retard

>>10228003
I'd get underwear, skincare, perfume or a cozy cashmere blend scarf in autumn. Just buy burando for your lolita things since you aren't hurting for cash. You don't need any loliables.

>>10227998
No one cares. We aren't the fucking Welcome Wagon. Unless you are in the fashion already, nosey non-practical questions and dumb comments aren't going go get any better response than ’fuck off’. Even in dumb questions thread.

>>10228114
Lol, I don't think MAM has ever changed the design of their socks or solid colour main pieces. Old schoolers can literally buy their stuff brand new and instantly be OG old school. I'm surprised it is not done more.

>>10227998
>You're just going to alienate people like this

Nayrt but good.

>>10228102
I'm afraid to use skincare products because my skin is pretty good, so I feel like it can only be downhill from there if I apply stuff to it, but a hand cream could be good.
>>10228131
I was hoping for loliable shoes or jewelry because the brand ones aren't always great quality; for loliable cardigans or cutsews because japanese sleeves are irritatingly a bit short on me at 5'6".

>>10228142
>net lace, shit-tier blocky crochet lace, and bodyline-tier fabric
>OG oldschool
yeah no

>>10228280
>shit-tier blocky crochet lace
I have BTSSB items from 2001-2005 with the exact same lace as my MAM pieces.

>>10227978
do not get a hime cut if you are white, period

>>10227986
go see a therapist pls

>>10228039
Aurora&Ariel petti is great and only $20. They only make a-line petti though

>>10228280
Dumbshit, that MAM stuff was exactly the same back in the day. Also what >>10228319 said. Study the old Bible photos and you'll know.

If I see a someone BIN’d a dress I really want a while ago, is it rude to message them and ask if they’d want to sell for the price they paid?

>>10227834
No. It's not high waisted. And it's likely you can adjust the straps so it'll sit where you need (or tall girls use extensions).

I bought some Angelus leather paints and matte finisher to touch up my lolita shoes and bags (not really for scuffs, but for cracked paint), but I'm not totally sure how to use them properly. There doesn't seem to be a lot of info on how to just touch up shoes/bags rather than painting them entirely.

So, what's the best way to touch up pleather shoes/bags with Angelus paint? I can't use a deglazer or it'll strip off the paint right, but will the paint adhere properly?

I was just gonna mix my paints with white to get the correct shade, apply a few thin coats to the affected areas with an acrylic-friendly synthetic paintbrush, then apply a couple coats of matte finisher on top, again with a brush.

Is there anything else I should do? Thanks in advance!!

>>10228280
Please stop trying to answer questions from now on

Next thread >>10228553

>>10228441
I'd think it's a bit cheeky, you should definitely offer more than what they bought it for otherwise why would they bother to sell it to you?

How do i get this hairstyle?

>>10232243
Be Asian