/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

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>>10217798
If you told me these were from the new Joker movie trailer I would believe you

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>>10217808

Unpopular opinion but if owning mostly burando was a requirement to be a lolita/be in the lolita community most of the undesirables would be weeded out

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>>10217810
Agreed, but as much as I hate to say it, there are a few decent taobaolitas. The quality is worse but it can look okay.

>>10217813
End of mini-dump.

>>10217818
Nvm, here are some twittas (twitter itas)

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>>10217847
Yes, she posted this as lolita.

>>10217842
I think this is cute. Not all animal-themed head wear is ita.

>>10217813
You guys forgot about moitie ita

>>10217842
this couldn't have been intended as lolita

>>10217868
I said most, not all

>>10217868
HONESTLY... moitie ita suffers from mostly an unfortunate face, shit photo quality & an inability to pose. If you overlook those things, her coords themselves are mediocre, sure... but the majority of them aren't a total loss. Id go as far as to say Some of them are even ok.

>>10217832
Wazzup ma twittas
Kuso those elitists and their baka burandos

>>10217807
True story: I bought this as my first "Lolita dress" and still have it in the back of my closet to remind me of what not to wear (or where to shop) and how fucking ita I was going to be

>>10217859
It’s not the headwear that is the problem here, the entire coord is a dumpster fire

>>10217849
Maybe the grandma version of Nabokov's Lolita....

>>10217810
I don't think it is an unpopular opinion, just a largely unspoken one. I think brand itas are more rare and the percentage rises with the fewer number of brand main pieces they have in proportion to taobao, indy and especially loliable off-brand crap. There are exceptions, sure. They stand out in a good way because they are just that, the rare exceptions in a sea of itas. But as a rule, I think it holds true. Most of the better dressed lolitas I know stick to brand for main pieces, with maybe a few indy main pieces and very few taobao main pieces, (mainly use taobao for blouses) and they only lolify sparingly, if at all. I don't excuse new lolitas because until you have made 2 good complete coords, you haven't really given lolita fashion a fair try to see if it suits you. And my unpopular opinion is that if someone cannot afford to do that, then this fashion might not be the best for for them. I believe it takes both a level of both commitment and one of investment to look good.

Addition: how many captchas are there now? I seem to be getting quite a few. Not fun.

>>10217832
Jfc, also learn to sit in a skirt, don't just plop down like a heffalump!

>>10217797
Not sure if a regular misguided ita, a sissy, or just a really awful cosplay attempt of some kind.

>>10217840
This girl would be so cute if she got an actual coord together. Hopefully she'll improve!

>>10217813
Going to the decent taobao stores is good for things like blouses and shoes. I'd much rather buy a Taobao blouse and two burando skirts than one burando skirt and one burando blouse.

>>10217840
Cursed background

>>10217859
It is when it's shoehorned in. There's no bear theme anywhere else in the coord.
And like >>10217900 said, it's more than just the bear ears.

>>10217805
I like her style desu. I see potential

>>10217985
i don't mind this as a non-lolita outfit, as long as you take off the DDLG collar.

>>10217842
those shoes are adorable, don't care for the coord though
>>10217843
bad cosplay, circa 2010
>>10217847
that is one menacing stare

>>10218003
Are those collars DDLG-related now? I had no idea, good to know for future! I think they're cute but don't want people to get the wrong idea.

>>10218013
no. so many normies wear them even. only cgl is retarded.

>>10217948
Cute? Not with those teeth

>>10218013
They’re not ddlg
Literally every one of my female punk friends owns and wears one.

>>10217802
An underskirt and a black shirt would help here. I do recommend gloves though.

>>10217796
'white lolita'

>>10217951
I think that taobao can be good for main pieces as well.

I have successfully coorded main pieces before. The issue I think people have is that they coord with low quality items from Claires and such.

I try to balance things out with nice accessories and ensure that nothing looks cheaply made.

>>10218047
Well, are your punk friends into ddlg?

>>10217951
This. I think most of the main pieces should be burando to realky have a respectable wardrobe. And in before 'some people...'
Exceptions always exist but they are very few, by definition. Most of the time singling out the exceptions doesn't also justify subsequent bad attempts. Like 98% of the entire styles of Wa, Qi or Ero depending on the 2% that was good one or two times.

>>10218162
Once again, exceptions. I'm being generous when I say that maybe 10% of taobao main pieces are going to be accepted as good, maybe 2% are ever as accepted as much as burando. If I'm mistaken, please name 10 taobao dresses that would rank up there with burando? I can think of only 2, and I know a couple of my friends dont even agree on those because I have one of the dresses and it's not admired or commented/liked nearly as much as any old burando thing I own. I'm still looking for the second one but after these 2, I will stick with burando.

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>>10218164

not everything is ddlg you god damn retards.

It's a choker. stop reading so much into random normie shit.

>>10218169
To be fair, though, there's scores of burando pieces that are largely unknown. I snagged my DD for 88 USD before taxes and ripping on YJapan because it was an unpopular BTSSB release. Heck, the only time I see coords with it other than mine is when I specifically search the print name.

>>10218181
*shipping

>>10217993
Uhhh are you blind?

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>>10218169
Is Nameless Poem one of them? Regardless, I’m interested which two pieces you regard as being on par with brand.
I don’t own a Taobao main piece yet but I’m interested.

>>10218186
Not lolita but very cool.
>>10218188
Nitpick
>>10218189
This would be fine if she had a proper petti, different colored shoes and a better headdress.

>>10218186
you've posted this twice now but she still looks incredible

>>10218196
Post some actual itas anon, not girls in Miku wigs.

>>10218197
I have a match for your ita

>>10218195
I haven't looked at the threads in a couple days, and this is my first time posting it, so it must have been posted by multiple people.

>>10218198
twinning

>>10218198
Kawaii twins nya~

>>10218169
I only have 4 taobao main pieces (and one that I placed an order for recently that will not be arriving until October). I have a little over 50 main pieces and most of my wardrobe is brand.

I don't know if it would be considered "up to par" with brand, but I think Yolanda's Bunny Herbology and Milk Eggshell's Little Devil Girl JSKs are well made in construction.

My other pieces are Diamond Honey and the quality is quite obviously not as great. They aren't terrible dresses, but they don't have detachable waist ties and you can see why they are under $50.

They can still be corded well, I tend to coord all my taobao dresses with brand jewelry and bags.

I went to a con and I got more compliments about a Diamond Honey dress than the two Meta dresses that I wore on other days.

I know this may not make a very good point because people who go to cons don't know about the fashion, but I was surprised.

>>10218160
Is that that girl who's always trying to do ero?

>>10218193
Nayrt but I love my Krad, Dear Celine, MissPoint and Yolanda pieces. Wouldn't put them near my Boz ir VM pieces, but some of these could easily surpass some aatp and IW I own

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>>10217925
This brandwhore mentality always disappoints me. There ARE quality indie/chinese brands, just not a whole lot, and they can be coorded well. What happens is that instead of going for higher quality more expensive indie brands, these girls buy the absolute cheapest things they can find. Or they just don't know how to coord at all.

>>10218365
Spot the poorfag

>>10218321
>how very dare you
ero chan is cute and thicc with pouty lips.

>>10218368
Do you realize many of us CAN afford to spend $300 on a dress, but don't because we don't think a dress should cost that much? I'd rather put the money towards worthy products like electronics.

>>10218188
All this really needs is socks.

>>10218321
Probably? Everything she does is basically pic in different color schemes with the exception of this one coord she did with legwarmers and sneakers.

This woman keeps spamming this coord in various groups and it's annoying af. She's also trying to be a frilly youtuber which is hilarious.

>>10218590
these look like photos a murderer would take, and her weird expression and office furniture props don't really help make these less creepy.
throw the whole thing away.

>>10218197
Find newer pics, this one is ancient.

>>10218611
5 head

>>10218611
Forehead-chan strikes again! “Me eyes are down here desu”

>>10218406
>$300 dollar dress meme

Most of the brand-wearing lolitas I know of rarely pay full price or buy dresses new. On last count, I had around 30 main pieces, about 25 of which are brand, and only one of which I purchased new. Of the others, the most I ever payed for an item was $110 for my dream dress and headbow.

When you're a brandwhore, you either spend a lot of money to buy new or popular items, or you devote your time to finding deals and researching lolita. More research = better frame of reference = better coordinates.

Although there are lolitas who look excellent in Taobao dresses, when you can buy a new lolita dress for under $50 from a reseller on the first page of Google results, baby lolitas tend not to put as much time or effort into learning about lolita, so ita chances increase.

Not saying all (or even most) people who wear Taobao are ita, but in my personal experience, the more time someone devotes, the better they'll look.

>>10218590
Is she being held against her will?

>>10217842
the items individually are all cute, the girl is cute, but nothing goes together

>>10218694
nayrt but buying secondhand doesn't guarantee a cheaper price. most brand dresses don't even cost 300 full price but their demand increases their price on the secondhand market. The full Perfume of Wonderland set can go for 700 on lacemarket.

>>10218706

On the flip side though, a lot of decent-looking IW is sometimes half off directly from their shop while on sale (like right now, though I'm not sure if there's still stock left of the good stuff), and sometimes secondhand it's even less than half off.

I mean if you're after a hype AP print like Perfume Wonderland then you're gonna have to pay up for it, that's being really specific. But if you're already talking about buying a taobao dress because it's cheaper but you have to be careful about quality and sometimes get burned if the stock photos aren't accurate -- well, then. What's the difference with buying another brand dress that's also cheaper but has higher chances of better quality? It's like either of them will be Perfume Wonderland, but you have better chances of quality with one than the other.

>>10218188
This is cute

fresh from the AX fashion show... sack dresses weren't made for everyone

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>>10218612
I think that's her house dude, according to the description she was trying to look 'elegant yet innocent' so I guess there's some ddlg vibes thrown in as well with the 'did I do something wrong daddy' face.

>>10218772
all i'm saying is including the office furniture in the photos doesn't make these look less creepy, it is an odd choice in an already creepy series of shots.

>>10218764
it's probably the only thing they could fit... him? her? in

>>10218765
Sack dresses were a mistake. This wouldn't even look good on a skinny girl.

>>10218764
Looks like they let anyone into a fashion show these days. I always hear hype about how competitive brand fashion shows are. Wonder what happened here. Maybe meta wanted plus size models to show their new size range?

>>10218590
>wyd?
>thinkign bout sad

>>10218786
Heard rumors on the Anime Matsuri thread that Meta has a contract and so they're stuck going to Matsuri, so maybe they just stopped caring what their models looked like.

Got some from instagram

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>>10218802
What a shitty job blacking out usernames lmao

>>10218804
Sorry you got posted

The more you look at it the more you find wrong. Some are nitpicks. Others are yikes. At this point we should just call ita threads ita and nitpick threads since we get soo many nitpicks any way.

>>10217799
haha holy shit he looks identical to a /mu/ user I talked to in high school

>>10218808
kek
Why would I draw attention to that fact if I was butthurt about getting posted? Dumbass.
I didn't say the coord wasn't ugly - how could it not be ugly with those hideous nurse shoes? Just saying that if you're gonna go the trouble of blacking out usernames, at least do it right.

>>10218812
What the fuck kind of shitty photographer took this photo?

>>10218845
Can't even fucing tie your shoelaces before taking a photo...

>>10218847
It’s a meme you dipshit. A meme given to people who bring up trivial shit like how something is formatted. Or, in your case, how names are blocked out.

I don’t even know where to start.

>>10218765
IMO this is not Lolita because it lacks the Lolita Silhouette. The Silhouette is the criteria to which everything is based upon. This is 100% normie. The shapeless sack cannot take a petti to create the correct shape.

>>10217897
Agree. She's improved considerably from this.

>>10218798
That purple, black and burgundy may indicate she is color blind, medically cb not fashion sense.

>>10218808
No, anon. Sorry YOU got posted.

>>10218858
What fucking planet are you from?
It's given to people who have an aneurysm white knighting something.

>>10218777
Oh I definitely agree with you, but I think she just happens to live in a creepy ass house.
>>10218789
Kek

Can we have a dump of "old school" itas?

>>10218894
I know this may shock you, but you could literally find plenty by yourself. Put on your big girl pants and learn to google.

>>10218899
I'm asking so I know what not to do. I only wear modern classic-sweet right now.

Sorry for going easy route and posting furry ita.

>>10218793
awww this is endearing, it doesn't look great but she's on the right track

>>10218860
i think i know this person and i think she made this

>>10218860
Beauty and the Feast

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>>10217798
Him again. Are these new?

>>10218930
You think? I don’t even know her and know that this is hand made.

Part of me wants to like this, but those colors and that fabric clash soo much with one another that there is no way you can wear this dress without looking like you don’t know what you’re doing.

>>10218013
They're not exclusively ddlg related, anon just can't stand them

>>10218197
Uhhhh >>10218196 is pretty ita....

>>10218905
Ayrt, there are a million resources for “what not to do”. Asking to be spoonfed is one of those “not to do”s. It takes thirty seconds of searching, there’s even Youtube videos talking about itas and even videos fixing specific coordinates.

>>10218368
Dude no. I just don't think 300 is always appropriate for a dress when a cellphone is better suited for that kind of money....

>>10218969
Forgot to add, but even on cgl there are threads specifically about old school. You could join a Facebook group and ask for advice. Or search yourself for older content. Off you go.

>>10218590
She looks so sickly (like I have the flu type sick) and.... Like.... Has this unhinged look in her eyes..... I'm scared.

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>>10218765
What an unfortunate face.....
Ugly dresses..... But the face isn't helping anything. Especially that potato nose

>>10218812
Is that a dude in the center....?

>>10218866
God I hope so because it not.... I'd like to talk to them about colors....

I hate cosplay lolita. It’s just as bad as Disney bellydancers, storm troopers, slave girl etc.

>>10218981
Dropped image.

>>10218863

It may have originally accommodated a petti -- it's the same model as >>10218764 and you can see how humongously wide that dress originally is on Meta's own models but it became really narrow on her. So the dress in >>10218765 might actually be pretty big, it's just the model is, well, bigger than the dress was designed for, I guess.

>>10217810
Money can't buy class anon
>>10218845
Oh god free that usakumya from this misery

>>10218406
>>10218972
>Admit to not supporting the brands that represent the fashion they wear
>try to justify it to make themselves feel better

Y’all this is a quality ita thread. Good job.

>>10219014
as if these are anything other than roleplayers who will never understand why lolitas drop 300+ on burando

>>10219036
Not everyone buys new brand martha

>>10219014
>supporting the brands that represent the fashion
nayrt, but even though I buy brand, this is not the reason why I do it. I buy the pieces because I like them, not because I want to support a specific brand.

I simply cannot understand this mentality of "supporting a brand". If they have nice products, I'll buy it. If not, I won't. It's not like they're actually doing anything selfless, worth of supporting.

>>10219059
doing something selfless*

>>10219014
hate to break it to you anon, but buying secondhand isn't "supporting brand" lmao

Buying secondhand does not directly support a brand, but they do benefit from more people in public being seen wearing their items.

I'd recommend, for poor fags, to please consider buying small accessories new from a brand if you cannot afford buying main pieces. They do watch their sales numbers and produce new stuff based on what exactly sold well and what did not. If you see a pair of wrist cuffs in your preferred style/color of lace; buy them. It sends a direct message of "this color, this style!" and you will help steer the direction of that brand's releases in the future.

and before one person can't change everything...
Yes. One person doesn't dictate things. But if you don't vote with your wallet then you can't complain about where things go. Your "vote" does count, you should vote with your wallet at brands as much as you can manage to. Nothing wrong with secondhand, but it's bad for the industry to exclusively go secondhand only.

>>10219085
Moitie needs better Sales analysys then. Rereleases sell in a Blink, but they keep on releasing stupid hats and low quality accs

>>10218162
I agree. I think that the reason you see more Itas in Taobao rather than brand is twofold: cheapness and a lack of a critical eye. Its a “oh it’s good enough” mentality.

>>10217809
That red fabric really hurts the eyes...

>>10217832
wtf is with the fishnet ankle socks over those tights? It looks so fucking bizarre.....

>>10218003
I've never minded the heart shaped collars for casual kawaii/goth outfits outside of lolita. Even people like mikan mandarin wear them, they are pretty normie at this point.

>>10218186
I don't know if I'd call it lolita but I actually love the aesthetic of this? all the pinks match and it really gets my goose.

>>10218793
I think this one is cute. I just don’t like her wrist cuffs and the huge bonnet looks dumb. She could also stand some makeup and maybe different tights

>>10218786

Willing to bet no decent looking lolita wants anything to do with Matsuri given the creep who owns (owned?) it if they are at all aware of that story. No one wants to risk being perved on.

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>>10219051
not all secondhand brand is less than $300, kyle.

>>10219133
this looks really nice though. the editing is even making the shitty BL fabric look good. the proportions are good and this is well coorded, especially with all the floral details.
doesn't belong itt.
>>10219135
needs petti and re-assessment of chest area but this is fine too.
on second look, looks like they were at disney which explains the lack of petti with all their shitty rules.

>>10219142
Nice background sure, but that red dress looks really cheap and ugly.

Belt like a suspension bridge. She had a bunch of shitty tiktok vids to accompany this

>>10219142
so....awful poor fit, no petti.... but because they are at disney its fine?

>>10219142
the makeup is bad, the fit is bad, that shitty vibrant red color shouldn’t even exist in lolita. it can pass at first glance but the more you stare at it the worse it looks.

Fresh from itagram

>>10219147
she needs to invest in a better bra for sure. Don't know whats going on with her lumpy tits.

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>>10219189

So tragic when cute girls dress badly.

>>10219189
>exposed arms.
Lewd.

>>10218935
I didn't know people still wore knee-high converse.

>>10219150
it's not fine, it just makes sense. are you dumb?
people report being asked to change out of proper lolita at Disney all the time, as to keep clear distinction between visitors and park characters.

>>10219085
That's pretty bad poorfag advice. Brands overprice the shit out of their accessories. Nobody wants to pay 45 dollars for a plastic ring that cost 75 cents to make. At least with main pieces you get what you pay for - I sometimes feel ripped off when I buy burando accessories.

>>10219089
That skirt and those socks are fucking cute, I'd love to see them coorded properly (and seperately from one another)

>>10219199
Are you from 1860 or something?
The coord is still ita though

>>10219123
Ankle socks over tights is the hot new trend and I've yet to see it done well. At best I can overlook it if the rest of a coord is on point.

>>10219205
Why the fuck would you even go to Disney in lolita? Whether you're in Florida or California it's hot and miserable, and there's a lot of walking required. Is that photo op in front of the Cinderella castle really worth it? Especially if you aren't a local. I'd rather wear shorts, a t-shirt and sneakers so I can be comfortable and properly enjoy the rides.

>>10218590
I think the biggest problem here outside the setting, props, fucking stool, whatever the hell in this photoshoot?
Low quality wrinkled items.
If you have hair like this, you don't just brush it and call it a day.
Trying to do ero but no makeup. Undereye circles are not alluring.
She looks like a 12 year old girl playing sexy dress up in her parent's living room.

>>10219205
even with a petticoat it would still look bad because the fit is awful. My point is its ita, I don't care where they are.

>>10219217
This is pretty much the closest she ever came and it still looks...like that, I seriously can't tell if it's a children's purse or a diaper bag she's using and she's still got those super deep circles.
I'm kind of concerned honestly.

>>10218863
this is an ita thread... which includes itas from every jfashion...

>>10219227
Are those arobic leg warmers?

>>10219214
... i went to disneyworld in full lolita twice. no one asked me to change. they only ask you to change if you look too much like one of the characters. I "properly" enjoyed all the rides and was comfortable.

>>10219227
This suits her better, not that it's good. But I'd rather see her in this style than Ero. She just looks too childish at the moment to properly work with Ero. Maybe when she gets older or learns to style herself properly.

It's still a DOL replica and IDK what else she's coording with. I have many questions.

>>10218799
What the blazes happened to her skirt? Pattern aside it looks like it only has 1/3 the fabric it is supposed to have.

>>10219133
Decently put together, not an awful color combo. She's fat but she's well dressed and seems tasteful enough. She's not ita.

>>10219211
Nyart it's a joke. At the very least i sincerely hope so.

>>10219258
>she

>>10219014
People who mostly or solely buy secondhand aren't "supporting the brands" either, Jan.

>>10219246
Pretty sure.
>>10219250
I think she's either close to or over 30 now.

>>10219085
If I don't care about burando in the first place, why would I care which direction their style goes in? Besides, the western community has little to no effect on what brands choose to do, we all know this.

>>10218786
Hate to be the one to break it to you but con fashion shows are more like glorified fake princess pageants than actual fashion shows. They just choose the best of the applicants, who are just 99% brand fans and none of them are usually even decently close to actual model material. I wish they’d recruit from a local modeling agency because most amateur lolita ‘models’ are way too inexperienced and look really awkward on the runway with little to no modeling skills at all. Anyone who has done any actual legit modeling knows this.

>>10219304

>T. Salty model

I don't know if it is fair to post a wedding pic but that thing on her head looks sooo ugly

>>10219276
I didnt even notice till you said that.

>>10219305
Nope, I don’t have any desire to model lolita, but I get tired of seeing the awkwardness that actually distracts from the clothes. I should stop having expectations for con fashion shows though, they still never get better. But legit question - if these fans want to model, why don’t they ever learn and practice some modeling skills once they are chosen? Not like it’s really hard work or a huge time commitment to learn to walk and turn.

>>10219308
The whole thing looks cheap and tacky. Lolita Budget Bridal. Why do people do this? It looks like some kind of ‘bride in a bag’ Halloween costume.

>>10218188
Looks inexperienced, but not ita.

>>10219315
it's all AP tho, so not cheap at all

>>10218764
The bottom button is undone and that is bothering me.

>>10218793
This is from Reddit. She said it was her first coord. Just needs some practice, I guess.

>>10219308
I saw this on CoF. One of the cringiest things I've seen in my whole life.

>>10218858
nayrt but it's a dead fucking meme, lurkmoar newfag

fucking terrifying

>>10219077
Read what I posted again retard

why is my dream dress is always being ruined

>>10219077
>>10219287
I can't tell if it's just bad reading comprehension or if people on this board are straight up illiterate

>>10219334
Wilson-kei

why is my dream dress always being ruined

>>10219290
>I don't care about burando in the first place
Oof, I bet you're ita af

>>10219344
If you're a brandwhore who thinks indie brands are automatically ita, then yeah sure.

>>10219345
Glad you admitted it, that's the first step towards improving

>>10218186
This is awesome, wish I had the balls to wear something like this.

>>10219147
those fucking nails

>>10219343
Is the left one RinRin..?

>>10219334
Cursed image

>>10219308
>that blush

>>10219350
Yeah ok, keep deluding yourself into thinking Japanese brands are all that matter while China continues to dominate lolita culture in every way.

>>10219323
No one said it wasn’t brand, more like criticizing the fact that she just butchered the look and now it seems more like some kind of cheap wedding costume. There are fewer brand itas but when it’s bad, it’s bad.

>>10219345
NAYRT but I have burando and Indy and a couple of TaoBao main pieces too and I do notice that there are more Taobao and Indy itas than brand itas. Not as bad as the ones who try to lolify F21 or HT as main pieces but still there are higher numbers of itas who don’t wear brand main pieces than those that do. I was curious about it so I surveyed a few ita threads and the photo count of those with a brand main piece were fewer than those with a TB or Indy main piece. I don’t count the lolifyers or replica wearers at all because if you can’t even get an Indy or TB main piece, you don’t belong in the fashion, and most everyone agrees a replica is enough to be considered ita regardless of the coord. Interesting to research it a bit.

>>10219242
Since fucking when tho??

>>10219356
Chinese lolitas still wear Japanese brands a lot more, I think. Most of them don’t like the cheaper TaoBao stuff, they want AP.

>>10219360
NAYRT, but it has been creeping in since other jfashion styles have become more popular in the west. It makes sense that more are badly done so will end up here under the ita umbrella. Like every fat 20-something white chick in nanchatte ever. Gross, and yeah, itai - so bad it hurts my eyes.

>>10219356
>keep deluding yourself into thinking Japanese brands are all that matter
That's like saying couture brands don't "matter" as much anymore because cheap chinese style-knockoffs exist. That's not even an argument that makes sense. Are you senile

>>10218793
She handmade everything so this is really good for being her first coord. She will improve with time.

>>10219362
There are hundreds of Taobao brands and a lot of them sell out frequently. Who do you think is buying all those, exactly? Yes, Chinese lolitas love burando too, and they are the ones who influence it most. But their own brands sell well too and aren't seen as inherently bad.

>>10219344
Why would someone follow or care about companies that they're never going to buy from themselves...? How would that make them not ita? What is logic?

>>10219371
>But their own brands sell well too and aren't seen as inherently bad.
Who told you these lies, the chinese are judgemental af

>>10219367
You’ll never convince them, anon. That’s the mentality of a poorfag or a newfag (or worse, both) speaking, someone who has deluded themselves into valuing the Chinese interpretation of the fashion because the actual meaning and importance of it being a Japanese originated street fashion is lost on them. Many of us have some TaoBao and Indy, and add some other things in, but the ideas that were the roots of the fashion aren’t lost on most of us who still very much value and buy the Japanese brands we love.

>>10219377
That's not what I see on Weibo, unless you know of some other place where they're trashing indie brands or people who wear them.

>>10218160
I REALLY don't want to know the context of this photo.

>>10219378
You're right. The only people I've seen defend taobao so religiously are poorfags trying to justify their purchases as "just as good". I have a few taobao pieces myself, and I find it incredible that people can even compare it to brand. It shares none of the history and quality that og lolita brands have.

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>>10218765
Wow, so unfortunate looking.

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>>10219381
Lmao the only people buying taobao are the ones that can't get to brand. Why do you think jetj evolved they way it did? Chinese lolitas are desperate for the status that comes along with owning something expensive and prestigious and are willing to pay out of the ass to get it. You really, seriously think they don't look down on lolitas that can only afford taobao?

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>>10219390
Again, you assume everyone who chooses not to pay hundreds of dollars for a dress can't afford it, rather than not thinking that a dress is worth that much money. Anyone can save up and buy a brand dress, just not everyone is willing to spend stupidly like that on a mass produced, made with exploitated labor piece of clothing like AP.

>>10219383
This is how all oldschoolers look to me

>>10218899
Yikes, your autism is showing salty anon.

>>10219353
I was too distracted by her teeth to notice but YIKES

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>>10218952
sorry--early morning post. i mean, i think she made this to sell. she has a "lolita brand"

The sweetlolita tag on insta is shit.

>>10219434
This is what I imagine hello batty will evolve into if you use a moon stone.

>>10219390
Hmmm you seem to be living in a bubble.

>>10219390
taobao isn't any cheaper than buying secondhand brand a lot of the time.

>>10219526
Then why the fuck would you buy taobao

>>10219523
Imagine being this delusional

>>10219546
Some people have different tastes than you.

>>10219397
>>10219390
I think the problem is mostly brand recognition and importance in different cultures. Brand recognition is really important in Chinese society, and as such, they place additional value on an item based off the brand that inflates the price. Because of social media, a lot of newer lolitas entering the fashion now have a bigger emphasis on brand in their head because of the rise of "young luxury", referring to Gucci/LV/etc. marketing teams targeting youths between 16-28 (rough estimate on the higher age, it differs on brand). But for communities and people who don't value brand identity and recognition as much, the additional name of a brand dress doesn't add to their WTP (Willingness-to-pay). Most people in the lolita community long term can afford to pay for brand items, at least second-hand, but they might not find brand items worth it in price to value because of markup on brand items include the perceived added value of "brand name" and identity, and they just don't fall in that target market. It's not a elitist versus poorfag argument, it's just how the market breaks down and how people in different environments perceive value add differently.

>>10219014
..... My God you're dense. it's called priorities.

>>10219147
No one is going to point it the fangs huh?

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>>10219566
Omitted some of this, but god. What the fuck. There are so many mops in this fucking conversation, it's insane.
'Support the brands' is a mantra, if you don't think it has weight and value enough to keep saying and hearing, get the fuck out and don't come back.

>>10219014
You make it sound like brands are suffering because of it. AP sells out of shit in literal minutes, they're doing just fine without the support of indie customers.

>>10219147
She just looks crusty. Cheap wig, cheap dress, Halloween party store accessories, Broken nails, stray wig hairs all over her chest, saggy broken down bra, messy room, crappy worn out belt. Ew.

>>10219308
I'm surprised no one's mentioned the FINGERLESS GLOVES. I'd rather die than be caught wearing something that tacky, wedding day or otherwise.

>>10219063
>>10219133
>>10219182
nitpicks

>>10219308
Poor girl will be filled with regret someday while looking at those wedding photos.

>>10219334
>squeezing toothpaste from the middle instead of from the bottom of the tube
all my rage.

>>10219371
>>10219381

Chinese poorfags exist, anon. You need to look more closely at the weibo and check who they are, whether they're actually choosing taobao or if they're just chinese poorfags, and then whether or not they were paid to advertise the taobao brand.

Even better, track down the *owners of the taobao brands (not the brand's weibo, the owner's own personal page) and check out how much brand they wear.

That's if you can even find the owners. Chinese manufacturers have noticed that anime princess dresses are a market, and some decided to try churning them out like fast fashion. We had a Gone With the Wind cosplay dress posted to LU at one point, the manufacturers can't even keep track of which "anime" we're supposed to be "cosplaying" from. Are you really telling me to take you seriously when you're supporting these people, and you don't even know about this happening?

The releases sell out because there's way fewer made of them, bringing us to the next point -- taobao print releases use print-on-demand tech, their sales are only in the hundreds, if that. Whereas burando sales run into the thousands. The difference is with print-on-demand the ink never really penetrates the fabric, so with the rise of taobao you're also seeing tutorials on massaging snagged threads back into place, something you never had to do with burando.

Meanwhile burando has always printed the traditional way (they were churning out prints long before print-on-demand tech), but the overhead cost is pretty high for custom stencils needed to be made for each print. So definitely brand girls are going to support each other and encourage brand-buying, this superior printed fabric is only available as long as you have tens of thousands of other girls all buying burando.

I wouldn't ask poorfags to support burando, you have other things to worry about. Just don't screech that nobody kisses your poorfag ass, your poorness is your own problem, not mine.

>>10219343
Both of these prints are pretty terrible. Which is your dream dress? The diamond honey or the AP?

Shut up and post itas

There is almost no space for a proper petticoat. And I’m concerned with the fabric quality. It looks like quilting fabric.

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>>10219697
Aw.

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>>10219702
Sooo close but soo not it.

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>>10219697
desu I think those old women are pretty ita, too.

>>10219383
amazing

>>10219385
>>10218764
They remind me of a scene from Winnie the pooh.

>>10219695
Why are the straps buttoned on the outside?

>>10219692
The dog's reflection is just like "gurl wtf are you doing"

>>10219710
Show some goddamned respect

>>10219692
The comments on CoF for this where amazing. Soo much ass patting then wham someone coming in being unhelpful and a cunt. It was amazing.

>>10219780
Why you gotta hit my childhood like that anon

>>10219703
this would be really cute and youthful on someone who was thin and cute and didn't look like a mom trying on her kid's clothes

>>10219811
It's a bad coord regardless. Full shirred blouses only look ok under a jsk plus the sleeves are way too tight here. Her hair and makeup aren't done well, motifs of strawberry carry through but don't really look harmonious and neither do the colors.

>>10219710
Nice troll but honestly? I giggled.

>>10219695
Serious question: is quilting cotton bad to make a dress from? Just like in Lolita, there are high-quality brands in quilting, and the difference between the top of the line and Joann/Walmart fabric is very notable, based on the thread quality and print quality.
I’m just curious about people’s thoughts on that, since I see so many handmade itas in these threads. It’s hard to tell whether quilt cotton is an issue, since the examples posted have many major design problems.

>>10219858
Quilting fabric usually is very thin and didn’t hold up well with a petticoat. Not to mention it’s not ideal fabric for making clothing out of since it’s literally designed to be used for blankets. It’s stiff and wrinkles easy and lays awkwardly on a moving body. It’s just not a good fabric choice to do when making lolita. If you want to be taken seriously you will get better quality fabrics to work with rather then what is cheap. Cheap fabric always looks cheap in clothing.

>>10219857
What’s wrong with this? The bow is the wrong shade of red on her hair but it’s such a minor problem compared to the overall outfit.

>>10219858
I buy both nice and cheap quilting cotton for crafts and even very expensive designer print quilting fabric is totally not acceptable for lolita. It isn't garment weight and won't lay right. It wrinkles like crazy and is too big a weave compared to garment fabric cottons

>>10219884
Are you blind? Do you not see the obvious photoshop? Her waist is as big as her forearm

>>10219897
Perhaps the post belongs in the photoshop thread and not the ita thread there buddy.

>cringe

>>10219888
>>10219882

That’s disappointing. I’ve made a couple of main pieces out of Free Spirit brand fabrics because the prints are so detailed and fun. I’m still working at perfecting the design, but I did make one jsk that I thought turned out quite well. I definitely iron my coords before leaving the house, as even good craftsmanship is obliterated by poor clothing care.

>>10219903
You can post a photo in 2 places, buddy. It’s ita and badly shopped

>>10219308
She is an autist maybe that is why she could not choose an apropriate outfit

>>10219308
I actually don't mind this. She is wearing this as a wedding dress not as a lolita coord. For some reason on the west wedding attire means bare shoulders and legs. It tends to translate messy into Lolita but not bad for strictly a wedding look. I've seen much worse, and at least the dress is beautiful.

>>10219852
Literally nothing matches

>>10219936
Wedding dresses are actually traditionally long. Shorter dresses are a relatively new trend.

Why do so many handmade lolitas have such shit taste in fabric prints? Like how can anyone look at >>10219695 and think "yes, this looks like the many examples of lolita available to me from brands and well-dressed individuals"

>>10219953
I think one of the problems is that it can be tough to see how a print is going to look large scale. The problem with the above is that I don’t think the print was ever designed to be used “whole cloth.” I’ve quilted with that fabric in the black colorway (which would have been a better choice for the coord, I think.), and I would never use the full repeat for something. Now times that many times over. It’s a very busy print.
>>10218793
This girl, who people have been a little kinder to, picked a fabric that, while busy, is a little easier on the eye, and there are other fabrics to break it up. While the dress isn’t perfect, I think it isn’t terrible.

So, basically, I think that lots of handmade litas don’t really consider what the print would look like draped over a body.
And, you know, shit construction and design.

>>10219953
Homemade lolita usually suffers from a combination of poorfag, a desire to be ’unique’, big overestimation of their sewing/designing skills, shit fitting and draping skills, lack of exposure to enough brand dresses to see what they are doing wrong in both fabric choice and bad construction techniques.

>>10219974
Its not the lolita only issue, many self made clothes has the same problems.

>>10219710
yeah but they hot though

>>10219695
If I were her, I would cut off the entire skirt and make a new one out of a high-quality solid black cotton with more volume to contrast any cheapness of the quilting fabric. I would then take the printed skirt fabric and make a large tote bag with each side featuring one of the print features centered (like the bodice). I'd then take the remaining print fabric and any scraps of the better-quality black fabric and make a headbow or some other head piece that further cements the intentional combination of the two.

>>10219308
Aw, badly presented, but I think she looks cute.
I just went to a wedding the other day and the rediculous trad dress and caked on insta makeup that's popular for brides these days are a completely wrong turn, my raw opinion.
Just buy and wear what you want and what you'll be happier with is my stance on it. She'll probably rewear this dress pretty often.

From a lolita standpoint, this pic fits the thread, and I'm sure she made her mother in law cluck, but she looks happy.

>>10219697
Ita, but she's just a lil dumpling, so I can't be mad.

>>10219250
and I repeat, >>10219227 is not ero-chan.

>>10218764
That face does not look negroid, is that a Rachel Dolezal?

>>10219857
nitpick

>>10219376
Because they lead the fashion market. Just like for normie clothes; whatever Dior is sending down the runway this season is going to trickle down into normie fashion over the course of the next year. I don’t buy designer clothes but I still buy vogue magazine and look at the coming trends.

>>10219884
It's fucking hideous, are you blind?

>>10220149
Cgl is full of retards

>>10219857
https://youtu.be/JbhY4TZVAmo

>>10219811
She IS thin. She has a small waist and narrow legs. Ana-chans are ridiculous as usual.

>>10220357
>that
>skinny
>from any point of view
anon, get help.

>>10220357
Don't eat bait, anon.

nothing matches

>>10219699
With a good coord and clothes that fit, this suit could actually make for a cute furlita. Better than derpychan at least.

>>10218786
The organizer is also an ugly black woman.

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>>10218765
I unironically like this