/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10216266
The performance was clearly not last minute but think about it for a minute. They announced it months ago and then literally one week before the performance, they kick out Himeluka. I'm pretty sure since she was the second best dancer in the group and the co-leader, she must have been a major part of the performance, if not at least the second most prominent member. I mean Himeluka performed quite a lot at Ambiflora's last performance. Or does nobody remember that? That's why I call bullshit on Julily using her group to boost herself. That doesn't sound like her at all. Sounds like people just hating on her just to hate on her.

Anyway, they would have practiced these past months thinking Himeluka would be there but then she broke some rule and they had to drop her so suddenly. Wouldn't you think that would have a big impact on the setlist? Or who performs what? The other members aren't ready to fill that vacuum. They're all new to performing. So what else would you expect to happen? Julily had to take over some of the songs that Himeluka was probaby supposed to do.

And what would be worse? Having to cancel a performance last minute because a member dropped out or adapting and muddling through?

I know Julily is the type to want to give her members performing experience at a small event and that's what this looks like to me.

Besides, it sounds like none of you were actually there at Aniparty. You're judging her and her group based solely on how they sang and danced but none of you saw the effect they had on the crowd. They loved Ambiflora. These were major idol fans. At the end of the day, isn't that what idols are about? Not how well they perform but putting on a show that energizes their audience?

For shame, anons. And you call yourselves idol fans.

>>10216398
You dropped your name Julilly

>>10216377
>>10216379
>>10216398
If a performer is not ready by a certain date, they usually cancel. It hurts, and maybe the venue will stamp their feet and complain but its better than the absolute lack of any coordination on their part, which just comes off as unprofessional. One girl didn't even know the lyrics. This isn't baseless hate ("wah they're ugly, they're fat, etc."), it's valid criticism. The entire performance was just abysmal.

Which US con(s) have the best idol events? I want to take a holiday and it would be cool if my travels would coincide with some net idol or coverist performances. I'm interested in both events entirely dedicated to idols or ones with idol showcase sort of things.

>>10216398
At least keep your name julily then maybe we might respect you. If this ain’t you ill eat my fuckin shorts.

>>10216379
Show must go on.
However, you ALWAYS have a backup plan ready in case something happens (like your audio doesn't work or in this case, lineup changes)
Just because kicking a member was a last minute thing does not excuse the poor performance they gave out.
Having backup plans ready is not only idol 101, but performance 101. Seeing as they just gave Julily everything, it seems that they didn't have one, which is extremely unprofessional and shameful for a veteran idol. No matter how you look at it, it turned into the Julily show. Even if she was somehow the only quality member (in that case why even have a group), they should have distributed everything more evenly.

>>10216266
OIC STAFF - Look it's fine if you don't want to check the emails regularly and never update your website BUT AT LEAST MAKE THE DISCORD OPEN! I tell my friends to join all the time and they keep saying NO ONE RESPONDS TO THE EMAIL. It's unnecessary, and honestly you could just have staff boot randos who get in. Who are you trying to prevent getting in? We're not that large and honestly its sad seeing only the same 5 people talk all the time

>>10216428
>>10216507

What about my nearly perfect English makes you think I'm Julily? Lol no disrespect to her.

I'm a neutral bystander and from where I'm standing, I see like the same 3 or 4 people piling on hate at Julily just because she handled the Himeluka situation poorly. So if y'all are gonna make all these baseless assumptions about her, then let me try making an assumption about you:

You sound like a bunch of salty Himeluka fans/friends who didn't like how Julily kicked her out of the group. So calm the fuck down and stop making a ruckus over nothing.

Wow, so easy to accuse people of being whoever you imagine them to be.

But then, I dont actually know who you are, so I don't really have a right to make assumptions cuz that would sound like I'm trying to defame you or start drama. So why dont you stop this catty, bitchy behavior, stop spreading lies and misinformation and bald faced assumptions when you literally know nothing about what happened.

I dont mean to come off like a white knight but seriously, Julily makes a few honest mistakes and suddenly she's the scum of the earth? Come on. Y'all sound like an angry mob, not a group of rational people.

>>10216599
NTAYRT but...
>my nearly perfect English makes you think I'm Julily?
Since when has she been known for bad English lol

>I see like the same 3 or 4 people piling on hate at Julily just because she handled the Himeluka situation poorly
Tbf a lot of people already dislike her because she acts high and mighty when she herself isn’t great to begin with so. There’s more than one problem with her not just kicking someone from a group. How do you exactly know it’s the same people though is the question.

>salty Himeluka fans/friends
Considering I’ve never heard of her before Ambiflora how many fans must she have. As far as I’m concerned she’s a rando which could very well be wrong but.

>Julily makes a few honest mistakes and suddenly she's the scum of the earth
On a serious note here, and I’m not trying to be “that person” but I don’t think “honest mistakes” is a good way to put anything. You don’t just accidentally call yourself better than others by mistake. You don’t write an article that basically says “We’re angry that you don’t get what idols are so let us teach you what the right way is” by mistake. You don’t write a post about kicking someone out, trying to halfass apologize, then delete the post by mistake. You don’t jump from group to group because you want something fun to do but then don’t work with your members by mistake. I’m saying this honestly but Juliane needs to step back and reevaluate herself and her values. Everyone watching and making comments on Julily isn’t an assumption, it’s an observation. I actually enjoy Julily but I’d be lying to myself if I said a lot of her behavior isn't selfish and self serving. Regardless of whether or not we know the whole picture, we do know what we are shown.

I dont even know who Julily is but this bitch types like an obnoxious cunt

Do people really care so much about Julily and her group? Sure she's somewhat talented but what's so special about her that people want to complain this hard about her activities.
I feel one of the only people in these threads who isn't ready to kiss her ass or just criticize everything she does. Surely there's other news or content to talk about?

>>10216266
Off topic from the op, but has no one seen the call out posts towards 1 2 shine?

>>10216608
I'm not saying she's known for bad English, I'm just saying mine is better so don't mistake me for her. That's just my bit of narcissism lol

>How do you exactly know it's the same people though is the question.
Well, admittedly I don't. But several people have all said Chiyo was their favorite member even though he was only in one performance, was the weakest member of that performance, and then graduated. Plus that false info that he started the group. Just looks really fishy.

Himeluka is a cosplayer and is part of the LL community. I think we can agree there are some toxic people in the LL community. It wouldn't be a stretch to say some of them are spreading hate for Julily in response to her treatment of Himeluka, which I do acknowledge was not the best way to handle it.

Okay so Julily has made several mistakes. But I seriously don't think though that her groups failed because she didn't work with her members. That's a gross assumption and nobody has indicated that was the case.

I'm not denying that she sometimes comes off selfish but if you want to talk about observations, only some people are making honest observations about her here. A lot of the comments in the last couple days have been wild accusations. That is an observation.

>>10216630
Thats what I'm thinking. She hasnt done something absolutely horrible and yet the way people have been talking about her lately and fixating on her just seems like its coming from a very specific group of people

>>10216505
There’s the Texas Idol Festival (in Texas obviously) and the Starlight Idol Festival (Anime Weekend Atlanta) that are typically most talked about here from what I’ve seen, so either of those would be a good choice.

>>10216639
More details? I can't find anything on this

>>10216739
i follow corpsekid on instagram, she made posts about them, but i forgot about until it was brought up again. it seems to be the same issues as every other group out there. bullying

Is the OIC discord down for anyone else?

>>10216838
asdsdsd came back up as soon as I posted this nvm

>>10216838
No but a certain someone left.

Abandon ship!

>>10216856
what. the. fuck.

I think the thing that bothers people about Julily the most (me included) is the fact that she tries SO HARD to act like she cares about the growth of idols in the overseas community, and yet she acts selfishly. If she didn’t go so overkill on the “don’t be mean to idols guys, let’s all support each other, let’s try to encourage lesser known idols, etc.” then her wanting to be the center of attention (in Ambiflora in this case) wouldn’t be such a big deal. It makes her seem fake in my opinion. She’s a nice girl in person but the online attention has gone to her head.

>>10216865
Well, if we are all gonna continue to make assumptions, i would prefer to assume that she made this group because she wants to share in this idol life with others. Like most of us do. Wanting to be an idol comes with a certain amount of narcissism and selfishness but that's not all it is. She isn't the only one to do or feel these things. Perhaps what other Anon said was right, maybe she did have to take over for Himeluka. That would make a LOT of sense. Cause I don't think she is THAT self-centered to do all this focus on herself. She had that when she was solo so why even bother with the stress of a group? I can see her wanting to do this group to really apply her passion for idols and test her abilities to be a leader. She does have this aura of 'holier than thou', but I see her heart as well. And this attitude she has is because she CARES so much. It doesn't mean she can't be wrong or she doesn't have room to improve about how she goes about showing her passion, but she doesn't deserve to be torn into about everything. I think we can all accept that she isn't perfect. But she's given this community a lot. She needs help. She's ambitious...but does need some balancing out. I don't blame her for cracking under this pressure and criticism. Most creatives are driven by emotions and this kind of stuff hurts.

>>10216883
^^^ THIS

God, I really feel like all these criticisms in the last week are coming from like a small group of people trying to tear her down for personal reasons. Notice, they all say the same things.

>>10216865
Everyone keeps saying she's using ambiflora to put herself at the center of attention but where is this even coming from? Their springfest setlist was anything but the julily show. Himeluka had a bunch of solos. And novadrop's performances were also divided amongst group members.

But some drama happens and she does a performance where she has half the songs and all of a sudden, she's an attention hog? I have a hard time believing this has been a long brewing opinion about her when this is 4chan and none of this shit came out before. I swear, all this criticism is just a few haters blowing things way out of proportion.

>>10216895
Honestly if anyone in ambiflora was going to be an attention hoe it was probably himeluka

>grand majority of the thread is bitching about someone
wow who could have predicted this?
THESE
THREADS
DO NOT
BELONG
ON
CGL

>>10216650
I’m the first anon that accused you of being Julily, I don’t give a fuck about Ambiflora and didn’t know they existed until the last thread so I definitely don’t care about HimeLuka or the rest of them, I just think Julily and her holier-than-thou attitude are obnoxious.

>>10216915
just report the shit that's nothing but community drama (aka the majority of the thread). jannies will delete

>>10216890
Actually some of us (me) are completely new to the 4chan community. I'd never really heard of Julily or Ambiflora and I made a point that it really didn't look like a great show which we know is true and I never saw much of the other members and from what I've seen on social media and the lack of attention to OIC she has too much on her plate to handle and it does seem more of a way to promote herself rather than promote idols as she won't actually allow a lot of idols onto the OIC website /discord which I now see is run by her, shows how much I pay attention to who runs what. I know a lot of my friends got denied being put on the OIC website even though they are really good. I'm not saying she's a bad person she just needs to avoid making so many mistakes and tone down the I support all idols no matter what persona because I feel like it's not strictly true. I hope the lumps and bumps are worked out because I love seeing new groups progress! Not hate just an observation from someone who likes to be a net idol supporter

>>10216927

I sent a application with a few of my friends not too long ago to the OIC discord, do they actually email back saying you’re denied or do they just ghost you.

I didn’t know it was that hard to get it...that actually speaks volumes. It makes her seem like the Regina George of idols than some mother Theresa trying to guide other idols into stardom. Reeks of keeping out those who will steal your stardom away.

>>10216917
Well laa dee daa, good for you.

Look, Julily can be a bit selfish (who isn't) and holier than thou sometimes when she talks about wanting people to improve themselves but her other words and actions suggest she just cares a lot about people. Everybody characterizing her as this insanely selfish, attention whoring mega bitch need to sit the fuck down and stop being so judgmental

>>10216937
afaik, Julily runs things but for the past few months she's been going through some personal issues. So that's probably why OIC hasn't been that active lately. But Julily is pretty dedicated to it so I think you just need to wait

>>10216942
Anon why are you so mad? Just say you’re a friend of hers and go. This thread has 35 replies and 25 posters so you can’t even say it’s the same few people posting about Julily. Plot twist, not everyone is going to like the same idols as you and people are going to criticize them whether they like them or hate them.

>>10216926
But the "community drama" was the OC topic :/

Look what you guys did. I tried to tell you that you were all overreacting and making her out to be worse than she really is. Let’s stop talking about her now, like someone else said I’m sure there are more things worth talking about.

Sorry your shitty oc cosplay love live inspired group got rejected from one single discord platform despite dozens of idol discords existing but the amount of salt over julily and oic is dumb. There has been zero evidence to backup ambiflora claims. It's all hersary bullshit to bring someone down for nothing but their own emotional gain.

>>10216949
I was mainly talking about the people in the last thread. But I ain't mad. Just if you're so new to everything, then don't go around passing judgment on people when you don't know the situation.

>>10216955
(Nayrt) honest question - what other idol discords are there?

Writing lyrics is hard.

desu i'd be open to creating an oic alternative, if nothing else to just give myself a project and partially undo the monopoly oic's got

not hate to oic but theyve been inactive and i know a fair amount about getting a website started, oic does a fine job but im not an idol and wouldnt mind looking into it since i have the free time

>>10217005
Do you want to do it alone? Because I can make websites. Programming only though. I can't into design or content.

>>10216949
>not knowing that number is really inaccurate bc of people using their mobile data

kek

ShootingStar Idols did another dance cover and desu the fact that one girl has different shoes is bugging the fuck outta me.

https://youtu.be/s88Hri2S0Og

>>10217005

Seconding offering help with graphics and art. Or just general help with the alternative.

I feel kinda bad for Julily now though. She's been going through stuff for months and now this fake drama comes up and a bunch of people come out of the woodwork to trash on her.

She puts on a tough face but the recent comments about her have been extra harsh for no reason and it looks like its driving her away from oic.

Inb4 somebody says "she asked for it". She asked for constructive crit, not for people to shit on her life and career.

>>10217005
This is a good idea. There should be an active archive of idols/events and resources like Producers, photographers and costume designers, stuff up and coming groups can use. Oic is nice, but its basically dead.

>>10217126
>>10217051
>>10217085
ngl i'm surprised people are interested. i'll look into it and post again if need/want help, thanks for the offers!

>>10217139
I believe in you.
There have been so many attempts to start another ver of OIC but they all go inactive, so I'm hoping you'll be able to be the change we need

>>10217139

God speed, hopefully you can make a discord as well to go along with the website.

I see no one talking about the other Idol group Juily is in which is superrareproductions, what ever happened to that idol group?

>>10217196
Didn't know that existed desu

>>10217196
Um thats Vivacu, the virtual idol group. Everyone already knows shes part of that

>>10217250
yeah but what's happening with that group? I haven't seen them post anything

Seeing a pic of Stellure reminded me, I wonder if that album that was talked about a few months back is ever going to be released, or if it's been given up on. I'm assuming the latter.

>>10217292
They did say themselves it’d probably be a while before it was actually released so who knows.

>>10217264
If I’m being honest, probably the same thing(s) that happened to Marble’s cat idol group (9 Lives or whatever):
>nobody did anything and it died
Or maybe I’m wrong and they’re working but it seems like they really aren’t focused on it.

>>10217264
The leader has a history of putting off projects and not getting things done so there's no real surprise there

>>10217103
The result of internet cancel culture, people just want to be mad for no other reason than being mad

>>10217292
They've been working in it behind the scenes! It's mostly in the hands of Callisto, but everything's being remixed and mastered by Rocker (who mixed their final songs and is now working with Astreal). I'm on the Stellure (before it got closed) and the Astreal discords and it's been talked about a few times there.

we need a list of the best original songs by overseas idol groups

Has anyone seen this? Bless posted this for the 4th of July

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6swDOVggLQ

>>10217330
Lol who’s trying to cancel someone. People literally just want Julily to come to her senses instead of her saying she will and then not.

>>10217103
>it looks like its driving her away from oic
She’s been distant from OIC for quite a while. That’s not the fault of 4chan. She’s even admitted before this went on thats she’s not been doing well. Julily has been at this a while. I really doubt 4chan is going to cause her to leave her own server because people were “mean.” OIC isn’t even allowed to talk about 4chan so I fail to see how leaving OIC for a while would work to avoid it.

In my opinion, people havent been any more harsh with Julily than they’ve been with other people. Who’s shat on her just to shit on her? Nobody has said they want her to quit, that she sucks, that she’s bad at what she does. People just want her to drop the fake saint act and be real with her intentions. In fact, isn’t that what literally everyone wants the idol comm to do? Like really....

>>10217423
^^^ this so fucking much. I just want the fairness to stop, from everyone.

fuck I meant fakeness baka

>>10217412
I thought the dancing was subpar, but then they started singing... they should’ve just focused on the dance.

>>10217412
Couple things. Yellow DESPERATELY needs better support like a sports bra or literally anything other than whatever old bra she’s wearing in the video. It’s almost distracting. Blue and yellow in particular need to work on not looking so lost. It makes it even more painfully obvious how unprepared they are. Lastly, those vocals need some fucking work. Not great singers to begin with, and horrid mixing on top of that. Video was a mess, but not the worst I’ve seen.

>>10217412

>>10217005
if you need some help anon i'd be open to helping! i'm spreadsheet gull so feel free to shoot me an email at the one linked in the spreadsheet!

Guess this counts as a leak, but Astreal idols next song is D&D themed. Luna said they took it from Stellure’s old used ideas. Sounds like a Interlunium copy to me

Kurohime released her third single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejpjzH9PwXM

I think it is a lot better than her last releases, there are a few iffy parts where the Japanese seems a bit weirdly placed but I think she's really improving.

Do you think she'll ever release dance videos/ MV's for her songs?

>>10217613
>Do you think she'll ever release dance videos/ MV's for her songs?
If you're an idol and you're not releasing those things then you're doing it wrong.

>>10217384
There is a playlist of original idol songs (it’s in the OP post) but it would kind of be cool to have a “top 40” type monthly ranking list where people could vote for their favorites. I know it’s been talked about in the past but it just was never set up.

>>10217605
If astreal was using old stellure ideas it wouldn’t surprise me. They are using everything else from stellure anyway imo

>>10217623
Ngl that is exactly what I’ve been thinking.

Astreal is just a carbon copy of Stellure minus some of the better members. From what I saw they use the same composer and mixer, and carried over the same ideas. They wouldn’t have any of what they do without Stellure. It kinda feels like their cheating for lack of a better a term.

I feel like they would have been better off doing something completely new rather than mooching off of what Stellure accomplished even if it wasn’t much.

>>10217623
Ngl that is exactly what I’ve been thinking.

Astreal is just a carbon copy of Stellure minus some of the better members. From what I saw they use the same composer and mixer, and carried over the same ideas. They wouldn’t have any of what they do without Stellure. It kinda feels like their cheating for lack of a better a term.

I feel like they would have been better off doing something completely new rather than mooching off of what Stellure accomplished even if it wasn’t much.

>>10217412
After watching their other videos I have to say that jpop isn't their strong point. The only good one is the pink one, it's sad that her other members are bringing her down

>>10217633
This mindset doesn’t make sense to me.

>Stellure minus some of the better members
I don’t get the carbon copy thing but Stellure only really had 4 good members and 2 of them are in Astreal.

>they use the same composer and mixer
Just because Mimi clearly burned bridges doesn’t mean they have to. Maybe the people offered too.

>carried over the same ideas
As far as music goes, it’s just one song. As far as concept goes, I feel like it’s a stretch. Yeah they’re using their personas but they’re personas they created so why shouldn’t they use them? If they weren’t used there has to be a reason. I think it’s okay if it’s just the concept and not actual lyrical content. Especially if it was their idea but I have no way of telling.

>They wouldn’t have any of what they do without Stellure
>they would have been better off doing something completely new rather than mooching off of what Stellure accomplished
Personally from what I see and know, it’s not like they don’t acknowledge Stellure. They know all this but why should they forfeit part of their own hard work/fan base just because it came from somewhere else?

>It kinda feels like their cheating for lack of a better a term
I want to ask this question then because it could open an interesting discussion:

Is using connections you already have a bad thing to advance in your trait a bad thing? Is it bad to use a fanbase from another project you were/are apart of for support of a different project?

On this I’m talking purely physical things like editors, composers, etc. etc. and not ideas. My opinions stated but that’s because I notice idols in real life doing this. They’ll leave a group and start a new project and it will gain traction and fans because the fans of their old group know. I’ve also seen things such as connections be used in the real world to advance careers/hobbies but it’s not seen as cheating then. Why?

>>10217605
yeah that level up song is such a bop! https://youtu.be/upiMiPJ0jdI

That kinda makes me wonder what's happening with interlunium now adays

Squeeze updated their Instagram & website. I love the colors and I hope they actually do something.

@squeeze.gg on Instagram because I can’t link the site.

>>10217648
>Squeeze is looking for PRODUCERS, MIXERS, and COMPOSERS to help us make our EP as dynamic as possible. If you’d like to work with us, send examples of your work to our business email in our bio. We’d love to see you soon.
how much are they spending on their EP

>>10217651
Hopefully a lot and hopefully it’s quality.

>>10216937

>Mother Teresa

Mother Teresa has a rep for being a wonderful woman but was actually a huge douchebag, so it'd be accurate to say that she's moonlighting as someone with good intentions but actually wants the attention for herself and to keep others from improving.

>>10216937
This was many many months ago so it was before some of you say she's been dealing with personal issues. That's where a second in command would come in ya know. Anyways yes they got straight out rejected and were told rather rudely how they should 'improve'. She was the only one who heard back, the others were ghosted even when they try to contact personally.

>>10217633
>They wouldn’t have any of what they do without Stellure. It kinda feels like their cheating for lack of a better a term.
The way this is worded sounds like saltines from a failed idol than a legitimate complaint lol
>>10217643
>Is using connections you already have a bad thing to advance in your trait a bad thing?
It's not bad, that's literally how business works. People liked Stellure's music, so why shouldn't they use the team that created that success? It'd be risky to start off with an entirely new one. This way, at least they have a safety net.

>>10217623
>>10217633
I don't think this is a fair complaint. For all Stellure's problems, they were still very popular and were getting to be decent by the time they disbanded. I kinda see it as an "if it isn't broke, don't fix it" thing. Astreal has their idol characters that are already beloved by lots, strong friendships with their staff, and the experience of Stellure's failures. They also had available songs that didn't get used for Stellure because Mimi exploded the group, so why not use them? Why wouldn't they use the resources they have to continue doing what they love? The fact that they're using the same staff is a really strange complaint.

I do think they're doing some things better and differently than Stellure, most distinctly their lack of a leader or center. They have an official artist so that doesn't all fall on one idol, and they're branching out for different composers so they can have some different musical sounds. They've also done stuff like holding livestreams to chat with fans which they weren't allowed to do as Stellure. None of this comes off as mooching to me, rather it seems like they're taking their experience in Stellure to avoid making the same mistakes.

>>10217648
Squeeze has such a cool aesthetic, these graphics are actually beautiful.

This are really cute!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AjDeoy5Ydo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhPWOW1odw

>>10216398
Julily, you guys were bad.... It's ok to admit that.
You're gonna have people cheering you on, these are weebs with kinda low expectations/ are only there to see pretty girls shake their ass.

You should have cancelled, you shouldn't have made Chiyo graduate, you should NOT have made green trainee perform (green wasn't ready, you knew better and should be ashamed of yourself) and you should have kept HimeLuka.

Ambiflora is going to fail if you don't swallow your pride girl.

>>10216598
OIC isn't listening to us when we ask for more staff.
And Julily done up and jumped ship because her feelings are hurt. Are the other staff going to pick up the slack at all?

>>10216598
Tell your friends to join 194Pro. We're small, but our staff is actually consistent, we're pretty fast at responding and it's really chill in there.

>>10216651
I'm holding her to the same standards she tends to push off on everyone else.

And Chiyo wasn't the weakest by a long shot. I think with practice he could have easily outshined them all. His graduation was suspicious as hell because there was no reason given. Like at all. Even to this day.

>>10216976
194Pro and Chocolate Idol Network (PoC based server) are two that I know of.

>>10217078
Those better be for orthopedic reasons....

>>10217915
>you shouldn't have made Chiyo graduate
Where is this coming from... First it was that AmbiFlora was Chiyo’s group (STILL unconfirmed) and now this??

>>10217412
The one needs a better support bra.....

>>10217613
Hello there!
I'm glad you think I'm improving! I had hoped this sounded way better than the second single, which I will admit was a tester for the software I was using.
There is definitely a plan in place to make an MV for the third single, and as of recently I've commissioned for dance help for this.

I'm gonna be revisiting Chansu Choudai again to fix it and make MAJOR tweaks to it..... Like redoing all the vocals.

If you have any other suggestions or tips for me, please don't be shy and tell me. You can be as harsh as you'd like as well, I don't mind. I can't improve if I don't know

>>10217412
pink is really good. She should either do something on her own or look for another group.

I really don’t know what I would do if I were Julily right now. she’s dug herself into a really deep hole, and she’s bringing Ambiflora down with her. I almost feel bad for her.

>>10217933
Everyone should that AmbiFlora was founded by Julily so idk where that came from.
Second, a graduation after one performance?? Either he left on his own (highly unlikely since you could tell his heart was in the project) or it was a forced graduation (more likely because who the actual fuck only stays in a group for one performance then graduates???)

>>10217933
NAYRT but don't you think it's odd that no one gave a reason why Chiyo graduated? Groups give some reasons, whether vague or truthful, but there wasn't one for him...

not to mention the bs excuse about Himeluka’s departure. I know for a fact it was more than what Julily claimed.

>>10217920
I feel uncomfortable knowing 194 staff promotes on here yikes

>>10217967
I'm not staff, but in the discord, that's the only reason why I mentioned it.

>>10217822
Is that first video song a cover song or a song the idol group created, it's super cute!

>>10217967
why?? we all know that idols stalk and/or post on this thread. yeah, sure, 4chan can be miserably pessimistic and nasty at times. but it’s also a place to get unfiltered feedback and brutally honest opinions about what’s going on in the community, and a way to get info about people in the community that should be avoided. news flash: not all idols are “pure, wonderful beacons of positivity” who wouldn’t DARE partake in 4chan discussions. not even close lol. even the ones who seem like they are fake it for the most part.

>>10217971
Backtracking hard now. If your really not staff, don't word yourself like you are. I only lurk, but i tend to avoid people and servers who actively post on here.

>>10217737
I don’t recall them not being aloud to livestream in Stellure- they did that a lot didn’t they? They did instagram live streams and discord chats as well.

Also im still sort of fuzzy on the whole Mimi thing. If Polaris said she styled her character’s new design off of Mimi, and said something along the lines of she wasn’t the cause of their disbandment, (in the last thread I recall seeing a screenshot of that) than why is there still this mindset that Mimi exploded stellure? Am I missing something?

>>10217967
You're here so you must know 4chan isn't all it's made out to be.

>>10217977
Frankly I’ve been thinking Mimi ended up being the fall-guy for a group that went south because all of the members are too young to understand how something like that should really work. Than again I don’t follow the group too closely so I don’t really know.

>>10217975
Looking at my wording, yes. It may look like I'm backtracking but
>We're pretty fast at responding
That can mean that we in the discord are quick at responding to everything and everyone.
But I see how it looks like I'm backtracking

>>10217977
I think Polaris is just being mature and I don't think any of them necessarily feel like outing people like mimi would/has. It's clear that mimi was over the people in the stellure and dropped them for another kawaii desu group. Mimi is the only one to really cut ties with everyone and speak badly about her time in stellure so it's hard to not believe she didn't cause their disbandment. Just because mimi acts petty does not mean the other members felt the same way and could still respect her even after everything.

Astreal said there was heavy restrictions on them while in stellure enforced by mimi concerning live streams so the only ones they were allowed to do were the ones started by mimi when everyone was at her house where as in astreal members can live stream even without the other members and their personal opinions matter to the group as a whole.

To lazy to go back and tag but saying that astreal is cheating for using things that worked in the past just sounds salty. Astreal wasn't done with stellure, they didn't want the disbandment so why should they be forced to give up characters that mimi doesn't own. Also the fact they are using unused stellure content is nice in my opinion cause that work still deserves to be heard. I do feel astreal is a continuation of stellure but that experience only makes things better. Many things we see day to day are based around past successes/successful teams so I just think that whole idea of it being unfair is a personal problem

>>10217975
Why in the hell would you avoid a server/ people that posts on here? You better not be in OIC then because there are people NOTORIOUS for posting on here....

>>10218000
I see what you mean. However I saw that Mimi was hanging out with the short blue haired idol from stellure whos name is escaping me right now. She posted it on her story a while back.

Not to sound stalkerish but I also noticed she and Astra talk in comments a lot. Same with Callisto and also the pink haired one that joined late. So i feel like she hasn’t cut ties with all of them?

Honestly the fact that we don’t really know much of anything and we are assuming so much means stellure atleast kept a good cap on whatever caused them to disband. Props to them for that if nothing else.

>>10218004
Never even touched OIC. I'm only a lurker. Your all so drama hungry I swear

>>10217621
>There is a playlist of original idol songs (it’s in the OP post) but it would kind of be cool to have a “top 40” type monthly ranking list where people could vote for their favorites. I know it’s been talked about in the past but it just was never set up.
I can make something like this, but instead of people voting on their favorites, I was thinking of something like a website that automatically ranks the songs based on YouTube, Spotify, and other websites. The only thing I would need is some way to get a regularly updated list of songs...

What's the link for 194 Pr?

>>10218014
people could add them to a youtube playlist as they find them or something

>>10218011
She does? Callisto said they haven't talked in months awhile back. Huh. (Unless this is recent?)
>>10217977
> why is there still this mindset that Mimi exploded stellure?
The members said in the discord that they weren't supposed to disband yet, but Mimi suddenly announced they were. Like >>10218000 said, Polaris is most likely acting mature to avoid further conflict. Or maybe she's just scared of her. (They did talk about Mimi like they were traumatized, so it's entirely possible)

>>10217977
Sorry, I worded it weirdly. Stellure livestreamed some of their performances, but Astreal has held a lot of casual "chatting with fans" livestreams both in character and out. It's kind of a poorly kept secret that Mimi exploded the group, because all the members of Stellure are remaining very professional about it, but reading between the lines of some of the discord conversations, and reading Mimi's goodbye message, you can see that she really did see herself as being the "hero" of the group rather than everyone working together for success. I'd recommend checking out some of the discussion in the archived previous threads for more on that though.

>>10218030
I get the feeling a lot of Stellure’s old members are playing the victim for next to no reason. Like, they almost demonize mimi if that makes sense? Its not like she ever kicked anyone out or removed anyone from a project or anything crazy like that. It sounds to me like she just had high expectations that the others didn’t end up meeting— or maybe because they demonized her their friendship was skewed and she left because she felt like she wasn’t wanted or something. This is all completely speculation though.
I mean, I’m just trying to figure out a more reasonable explanation for their disbandment rather than just simply saying its solely on Mimi. I just highly doubt that shes the sole cause for that, especially considering she made the group originally and worked so hard to keep it up to her standard all of the time.
I just don’t really buy the whole “its only mimi’s fault and nobody elses that an entire group completely disbanded” thing since it doesn’t seem very realistic.
Especially when you go back to the fact that they are all children.
Dunno. Just food for thought.

>>10218074
That actually makes a lot of sense. I can definitely see how the whole thing with her being placed on some sort of pedestal and loosing friendship connections with the rest of the group could have led up to their downfall.

However, I think that she is the cause of the disbandment because she probably just got tired of doing everything herself. I dont know if its because she didn’t accept any help or if its because nobody offered to help. I.e. with the costume making. If Polaris and Io were capable of making their costumes (like they did for Renaissance in Astreal) why didn’t they do that in Stellure? I doubt Mimi would have had any issue with them doing it if they offered considering Luna, Nix, Callisto, and Astra made their own costumes. It just seems like they could have offered more help in certain spots to keep Mimi from hitting her breaking point— which im assuming was her goodbye-post.

Like you said though, Its all speculation after speculation.

>>10217928
Chocolate Idol Network? I love the idea of a POC oriented server but Christ, they couldn’t have picked a better name?

>>10218090
What point is there in having a poc oriented server?There is no need to start singling people out, we're all here for the same thing.

>>10218012
No one is hungry for drama you're just fucking stupid

>>10218074
Sometimes there isnt a reasonable explanation for things and maybe mimi's stress/need to have control cause her to create skewed relationships on her side. We never will know what exactly went down and I don't think anyone is blaming mimi solely because faults are never one sided. Yes the girls could have been stronger and spoke up but mimi could have done things differently too. In the end she disbanded stellure and all we have are speculations

>>10218094
But it's easier to talk to other PoC idols about things that we struggle with personally as PoC, like working twice as hard, hair, makeup tones, photos...
And having a network to find other idols of color is nice. I don't feel as alone.

>>10218108
>Working twice as hard

>>10218099
>hearsay comments about ambiflora and julily
>claiming all defense is selfpost
>still conspiring about stellue and mimi
>complaining about poc discords
>no physical proof about any claims
ok

>>10217946
>>10217949
Based on posts on his page, it said he didn’t make the cut for some reason (he just says it was discussed and agreed upon) but they still decided to give him a graduation performance. So who the fuck knows. I didn’t think anything of it until I realized he didn’t meet Julily until April apparently.

>>10218074
Lets not forget we STILL don’t know what happened with Stella other than her own posts.

>>10218142
Get off of 4chan then. No one's making you come in here if it's just drama anyways. You just as thirsty to hear the gossip

So uh, is this the wrong time to confirm if Julily is banging her producer yet? Guy seemed pretty scummy but know they were close around Tekko

>>10218182
what thef cuk

>>10218182
I’m sorry but what.

>>10218182
Get the fuck out

>>10218182
shut up himeluka

Good lord, this thread is brutal this time. Is this what happens when the starting "topic" is just rehashing old drama?

>>10218014
Or both (one that is audience favorite versus one that comes from social media stats) would make a very interesting comparison

Seconding wanting the link for 194pro discord

>>10218307
These threads are always like this, anon. If its not Julily, its Mimi and vice versa. They,'re big names in the community and gulls are catty bitches. Look at the online lolita community threads, a lot of it is people bitching about Tyler and Lor.

>>10218014
Can we do something like this? A weekly/monthly "chart"? Or quarterly updates? If people are serious about creating a western idol community, we should be working towards an active database of groups, a chart and resource guides, even for the dreaded love live groups. Honestly, a database for both original idols and idol anime cosplay groups would be nice, if not too ambitious. We're basically all one large "idol related" community anyway and people frequently hop between both original and cover groups.

>>10218341
>What is google
If you search for it, someone's instagram pops up with a link in the bio to a discord invite

>>10218074
Oh it's definitely unfair to say Mimi is the only reason. My speculation is that since a lot of the members were graduating from highschool and moving to different states, it would be hard to stay active. So, the easiest choice would be to disband and let the members continue on their own path.
My biggest wonder is why Mimi decided to end the group earlier than discussed without telling anyone? I think that's why all the blame is getting placed on her.

>>10218182
Stop. Just stop.

Groups to add to spreadsheet: (all of them are active I believe)
Moonlight Melody, duo
Twin Kuru, duo
Macrocosm, 4 members
Aikan, trio
Don't know if she counts, but 5xpop is one of those story/idol/oc groups. No vocals, but super active.

>>10217507
If there was ever a reason to wear black dance shorts when wearing anything other than white.....

This it.

>>10218100
I haven’t commented on all the Stellure stuff since I don’t know much about them but I know they messaged my and several other groups about doing a final graduation live thing long before their disbandment was announced (like six months to a year before, it was like September or October). In the message they said it was because several of their members were going off to college. The final live showcase never happened but they had planned to disband a long time before it was officially announced

>>10218353
>Can we do something like this? A weekly/monthly "chart"? Or quarterly updates?
I'm making it right now. It might be done tonight, but give it until the end of the weekend just in case.

>>10216505
AWA~

>>10216611
Julily is the founder of the overseas idol collection

>>10218375
I agree. Has anyone asked her?

Julily has deactivated or deleted her instagram.

>>10218509
Great fucking job, everybody. Ruining someone’s reputation who didn’t even do anything wrong. She didn’t deserve all of this, in my honest opinion.

>>10218412
There is lots of groups we talk about that arent on the spreadsheet yet... I think spreadsheet gull intentionally leaves out groups they don’t like.

I don’t remember where I had heard it, through some friends I think, but chiiyo had the idea for ambiflora, started scouting for members and approached julily and asked her to be the “leader” even though chiiyo founded the group, he let julily take the spotlight since she had done idol groups and such before, then I believe from there julily contacted himeluka and griffy, and the others. she told them that it was a top secret very professional group and they would be making their own music, not covering songs. I heard through word of mouth of chiiyo being the founder, I don’t think I have any messages about it.

Who is ambifloras/ julily’s producer?

>>10218533
This is hearsay, I know Chiyo and Julily are pals tho some confirmation from one of them how Ambiflora was founded would go a long way

>>10217742
>>10217651
>>10217648

uh is anyone doing a google doc for this part like they were for the last one(s)? anyone taking notes about posts and saving them? i would but I’m stupid, last person to do it was a genius lol

>>10218509

Good, she should take some time to reflect and actually swallow the criticism given to her. Don’t pursue an entertainment based hobby if you can’t take the heat.

>>10218531
I don’t know if the anon doing it still is, but I emailed them before with some groups and soloists who weren’t on there / some updated links, and they added them. I think it’s just impossible for one person to do it without help

>>10218527
Thank you. This thread has gone way too far. This is about talking about what we love about idols. Not shittalking them for no god damn reason.

>>10217423
My problem with her lately isnt about her character or who she is as a person... it's the fact that when she needed to step away from OIC no one was running the show. I think I it's time for her to realize if she wants to be a part of all these projects shes going to have to give up some control. Like she does a lot but why doesn't anyone else on staff do stuff? Why is she the only one who answers emails? And updates the website? Like seriously where is the rest of the staff? Theres at least like 10 of them that could be helping

>>10217918
Seriously I dont think I've seen any of them do anything. Like how hard is it to check your email and delete the dead chats

>>10218648
Then that sounds like your problem isn’t with her. Your problem is with the rest of the staff.

Let’s move on. People at this point are being redundant and the damage is already clearly done.

>>10218657
Agreed. I could really care less who the leader or founder of Ambiflora

>>10218505
Not that I know of. She probably had her reasons, but without knowing the full story, it comes off bad.
>>10218531
Doubt it. Pretty much what >>10218593 said.
Hopefully they'll get more help. There are a ton of groups out there, it's impossible to keep track of them all.

What are the best groups that dance and sing that you know of?
I don’t care which country they are from but I’d like them to have it all, sing, dance and also cute or aesthetically pleasing.
I’d like to discover some gems, or at least try to and I am greatfull for any help

>>10218531
hi, spreadsheet gull here!
i don't leave out groups i "dislike". i understand that because everybody here can be extremely mean that you'd stretch to the fact that i'd intentionally do something like that, but i don't so please don't get the wrong intentions.

i rely solely on the community to send me emails of groups they haven't seen on the spreadsheet. comments like >>10218412 don't help because these threads get very cluttered very quickly when there's something to talk about. also, where are their social media links? i need something to go off of, even just one link and I can find the rest myself, to make sure im inputting the correct group into the spreadsheet.

The last email I've received was on May 15. So if there are groups not on the spreadsheet you'd like to see, email me! Trust me, it's not a lot for one person as this community is a lot smaller than you'd think. But I do also have a helper who updates it on their own when they get the chance and manages the original songs section of the spreadsheet. I mostly just add what's in the emails I receive.

Sorry for the wall of text!

>>10218697
Peachy Parade, Amaitsuki, Ice Qream, Honey Hime are the best singing/dancing wise according to me.

>>10218729
Thank you for clarifying, I was that anon. Thanks for your hard work and I understand it’s difficult, I just assumed the worst.

What are the discussions in 194pro like? I'm looking for somewhere non-anonymous to get concrit and advice for my group.

>>10218766
I haven't seen any real concrit discussion in there. It's pretty memey and less serious.

>>10217924
People gave Julily shit for explaining why Himeluka graduated instead of just saying that she graduated, and now you're giving her shit for not saying why Chiyo graduated. What do you people want from her.

>>10218803
I think it was unfair how much went round. I think people were right to say the group seemed a little rough on stage but that's not to say the audience didn't support them. The main thing here is it's obvious she reads forums if she suddenly shuts all accounts down. The thing is if you're going to be an idol, you do have to learn not to read forums and definitely ignore the hate. You really can't let it get to you. It's very difficult but avoiding certain places like *ahem* here is key. Actual idols from Japan and South Korea get hate all the time but they have to ignore it as they have an image to uphold. So my point is people are always going to say things not in the nicest way but don't let it get to you and don't make it obvious it gets to you and you are a lurker. This is advice for all net idols who seem to lurk on here. If you see your name, just get off here! Friendly advice from a fan of net idols no matter the talent.

>>10218538
a creep named Ryo, or at least that’s the one anon was referring to

>>10218527
She ruined her own reputation with not answering legitimate questions, her ego, and this last God awful AmbiFlora performance..... Gulls just didn't help with all the false accusations and harshness.

>>10218533
Chiyo isn't the founder. He was just a member. Julily founded the whole thing.

>>10218769
It's there, it's just memes tend to flood the chat and I wish they'd stop that sometimes.

>>10216377
That 100% sounds right (I assume you were at AniParty?)

>>10216505
AWA by far for net idols I mean the gold standard for US net idols is peachy, (the gold standard for LL groups is.. I would say Aquarius)

>>10218697
PinkFantasy has really good vocals and are cute. They're a nugu group but I love them with all my heart. They debuted in October and their subunit debuted not too long ago. Their concept is.. interesting. It's Alice in Wonderland based.
Dancing wise, Dreamcatcher is the way to go. They have a pretty large international fanbase but unfortunately haven't gotten any awards (that I know of) They're also huge dorks which is a fun contrast from their horror concept.

Wow what a dumpster fire of a thread. I'm ambivalent about ambiflora, but the Julily shit talking has gone too far and its unmerited imho. Everyone complaining about her(as a person not as a performer) are operating on assumptions and literal anonymous hearsay. The performance wasn't good, okay. That happens, they're still fairly new and have time to improve.

I really feel like there's just a group of people that need someone to shit talk and move from one group or person to another weekly, and went at her because she's a big name and therefore an easy target. You should be ashamed for running one of the original netidols, who fostered people into this hobby, out of the hobby. Christ.

>>10219007
It just feels like this whole conversation didn't need to be as big as it got and everyone is just eating up another person being destroyed.

As a relevant redirect, Metrocon is starting today. There's a singing contest on Friday, daily kpop dance panels, HRTLocket is debuting as an Aqours cover group(idk them so unclear if they're singing), Cafe Kira Hoshi daily (I think Pengy of Mosuri is performing for that?), a couple other LL dance panels, and Idolfest are happening on Saturday. Do we know who's on the lineup for Idolfest and will any of you be attending?

>>10219007
You realize that repeating the exact same things other people have said to criticize the ones complaining is only making it worse, right?

To all of you: want to defend Julily? Then shut up. Stop bringing it up and move on to the current topics. Jfc

>>10219016
>>10219015
Literally just did, but okay. You're so aggressive I can't even tell if you are genuinely trying to help or just trying to tamp down people voicing support.

>>10219022
Boy I was telling people to shut up before all the voices came in lmao
I'm just annoyed how people say they care about someone, but won't let go what made them so upset in the first place. How is she supposed to recover properly if this is constantly brought up? Let it go already

Where’s the helpful anon who links all the new content? That would be great about now

>>10219037
That would be nice, but maybe there aren't enough recent uploads to merit it. They've been curiously absent during this mess, hmm.

>>10219000
nono
I mean net idol groups, not kpop

the working title i've got for the oic alt is idoldex, and here's a little logo mockup i made

ive never designed a logo, admittedly ;;;

i have a possible website up and running but homepage design is still going

i'm willing to make a discord for it if anyone wants to help at all. rn i'm thinking a wordpress install but i'm admittedly new-ish to this and am open to ideas and suggestions!

>>10219015
>Pengy
>tfw no pengy gf

>>10219065

Art anon that offered help the other day. For a first try you honestly did decently, but please let me help you lmfao.

Please drop the discord I can hash out a nice logo in an hr or less. I can even show you some of my practices and work that’s idol related.

>>10218843
how is he creepy

>>10219099
he made sexual comments to minors that were in groups he was working with, lied about producing popular vocaloid songs that he was far too young to have been apart of, and faked his own suicide after an idol group fired him for being rude and creepy towards them.

>>10219111
What is there more info on this? I’m not asking for the sake of drama but out of genuine concern because he’s active in OIC and the idol community which have a lot of young girls

>>10219087

https://discord.gg/fuDw3a

discord get ya discord link

ignore icon just used a random one for now

>>10219158
Might be best to get a trip now if you plan to be a figurehead in the community

>>10219163
yeah youre right. done!

>>10219044
I agree with the previous anon in that Peachy Parade is easily one of the best NA net idol groups out there. They’re all pretty cute, they make nice outfits, their vocals and dancing are pretty good and stable (though there are some members that are better dancers and some that are better singers but I think that’s pretty normal in a diverse group). outside of NA, Honey Hime are one of my favorites. Their singing is almost always nice to listen to and they’re all super cute as well. If you want to look into a North America based idol group that’s professional, I suggest seishun youth academy. Ice Qream are also pretty good but imho their appearances are a bit lacking. They have decent voices though.

>>10219129
yes there are some receipts, not super clear ones unfortunately because the discord that all the drama went down in was deleted. however I have witnessed all of this first hand, (I’ve spend time face to face with him as well as online) and the accusations have been corroborated by other people involved that I trust. Julily has been warned about all of this from MULTIPLE people, and still continues to work with him despite all of the complainants having the same exact story. there’s no reason for people to lie about him, he’s not a big enough figure to waste time tearing him down with false accusations.
I’ve heard from friends that they’re planning on coming out publicly with their stories very soon, but until then that’s all I can say for now.
not asking anyone to cancel him based on what I have to say, just that everyone should take precaution when interacting with of Ryo/Makina in the idol community (ig: @makina_edm)

>>10219179
I would really really recommend your friends come forward either publicly or to veterans in the idol community, especially if they’re minors. There are resources and people that are able to support them, they don’t have to handle this on their own.

>>10218094

>>10219037
I can give it a go, not subscribed to every net idol channel though so I'll be searching through recent uploads on YouTube. I'm guessing I should search for net idols, odottemita or dance covers etc. and then filter out all the kpop or Japanese coverists?

our idol updater seems to have been scared away by the drama in this thread, so bare with me. i have a few links to share idk if im doing it right orz

[ENERGETIC, Live] Tambourine's set at Peachy Party Idol Fest 2019.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xowiOvH8W70

[TALENTED, K-Pop] Ice Qream cover of Orange Caramel - Lipstick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDTMaqHcyNk

[ADORABLE, J-Pop] Citrus cover of AKB48 - Aitakatta, Koisuru Fortune Cookie from 2017. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-khYW63YSkI

[ORIGINAL SONG, Cute] Kuro Hime released Everyday! Shiawase! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejpjzH9PwXM

[COSPLAY, Sultry] Poppy from Tambourine covering Guilty Eyes Fever! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvnbIAcHiUE

[ORIGINAL SONG, Animated] Crystal Rose released Brand New Me, it's animated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKkgUZmHUk8

(sorry if im missing any groups i follow NA/english groups)

Current News to discuss:
METROCON in Florida is this weekend, idols are going and doing things there including Auracle, Mosuri, Tambourine, and others.
Squeeze is doing more ARG stuff.
Citrus is returning with more content after their long break.
Alex Pinku taking logo commissions.
One Wish are going to be performing this weekend.

You all are idiots. First Julily and now makina? Do any of you people even have evicende? Didn’t think so. This has gone way too sad the it doesn’t belong on 4chan. All this personal singling our should be on lolcow or not at all. Don’t be such assholes

>>10219313
While I agree with you what’s with all those typos and grammar errors.

>>10219313
sounds like something ryo would say.

anyway if he didn’t want to be singled out maybe he shouldn’t have preyed on fcking minors.

in slight defense of julily, i feel like writing the article doesn't really imply she thinks she's better than anyone? i thought it was a good read. i always thought of writing how-to guys as sort of adopting an authoritative character. No one's going to take an article seriously if it adopts a humble, self deprecating voice. I think that article came from a genuinely good and helpful place.

i know thats not the bulk of her criticism but i dont really know much about it otherwise

>>10219316
I was on a rage so I didn’t pay attention. I’m not ryo. I know him though. He’s not a creep. He’s a very nice guy.

>>10219324
No. Evidence.

>>10219366
The issue with the article was that it was riddled with more defensive language than direct language. It doesn’t hav to be nice and sweet, but you don’t have to take on a “you’re wrong in how you think so here let us help you.” The point could’ve gotten across different and Julily herself admitted that.

>>10219379
I never said you were but okay.

>>10219389
ahhh, that's fair. to be honest though, i wasn't reading it as someone who's an idol so i guess i didnt have any reason to feel criticized

>>10219285
Mosuri has been posting costume progress shots on their instagram and they look really cute! I'm excited to see them in action.

>>10219389
link to the article?

>>10219421
https://www.overseasidolcollection.com/before-you-decide-to-be-an-idol-part-0/
I’m unsure if it’s edited but it doesn’t look so. I believe the first installment is there too.

>>10219379
>>10219380
hi! we’re working on gathering stuff. most things happened in person but there are several different people who can back up these claims. i’m sick of seeing ryo around when i know he’s a liar and manipulator. he’s hurt people and just because you think he’s a “nice guy” doesn’t mean it isn’t fcking true.

>>10219432
Is this the same ryo that is a Vocaloid producer with supercell or do they just have the same name

Also echoing the previous anons statement to come forward with testimony. If this is happening people need to know so they can help

>>10219430
Even though a lot of this seems to be honest advice coming from her experiences, this is still super preachy. The next part even more so
>you are NOT an idol if you don't do these things

>>10219441
Yeah he claims to be that ryo.

I've met the guy also. I can see why people think he's a liar and manipulator but I honestly think he's just socially inept, which can easily be misconstrued as creepy behavior coming from a guy. In this era of #metoo, it seems any guy that works with young girls has a high likelihood of being called a creep too.

Plus I think he's super insecure because he tries really hard to impress people. Whether or not he's really supercell ryo, thats for another discussion.

I know this probably didnt belong here, but since people are talking about it, just my 2 cents

>>10219453
>>10219441
No way is he supercell ryo, probably a coincidence he decided to try and profit off.

Does anybody else find it oddly coincidental that as soon as people start coming out defending Julily and that topic starts going away, somebody asks about her producer who apparently is controversial, and now a shitstorm is starting to brew over that?

I swear, all of this has got to be a targeted attack against Julily. Just leave the poor girl alone already jfc. She worked hard to get to where she is. Who she works with shouldnt fucking matter.

>>10219453
okay sorry, but whether or not he’s Ryo from supercell is NOT up for debate. it is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. he claims to be about 27 (on the high side), Supercell was formed in 2007. that means he would have had to be 15 when he formed the group, I don’t fucking think so lmao. not to mention, why would a famous vocaloid producer, who is still actively making music and money, waste their time in the American idol market???? absolutely no fucking chance.
this just goes to show how easily manipulated the people who are friends with him are. can’t even use google and common sense to debunk an obviously false claim. I honestly feel bad for you guys.
also, he’s an adult??? you can’t use excuses like “oh I’m socially inept” to solve all your problems and excuse your shitty behavior. at his age he knows better than to act the way that he does.
as for people who say he’s a nice person, there are tons of otherwise “nice people” who do shitty things, that doesn’t mean you look past serious claims of misconduct because you think you know everything about him. you don’t.

>>10219464
who she works with DOES matter if the person makes the members in her group uncomfortable. if she independently wants to work with him and take the risk, then so be it. but to subject your teammates to someone who is an, even alleged, predator is not okay. yes the members can leave if they don’t like Ryo, it already happened before, but they shouldn’t be put in that awkward situation in the first place.
it’s mostly Ryo’s fault for being garbage, but it’s also the fault of people around him to allow him to continue his behavior. Julily isn’t the worst person in the situation by far and no one is saying she is in this case.

>>10219465
....okay calm down O.o

I mean, Justin Bieber was pretty young when he got famous. So was Michael Jackson. Young people can be talented too.

Not saying that i believe hes really ryo, but saying he was too young is not a valid argument. Neither is saying "why would a famous producer work with idols". Thats just conjecture.

In any case, lets drop all this? Please? Its way off topic now

>>10219392
I was talking to both you and another anon who said that it was something ryo would say lmao I’m not sure how to do two anons at once

>>10219432
Well he has legit helped me so..

>>10219472
To add to that, michael jackson was also accused of pedophilia and it wasnt true so accusations kinda mean nothing without proof

>>10219478
quite literally laughing my ass off at the anons comparing some 27 year old nobody to michael jackson, and in the weirdest of ways too. you guys just showed how truly diluted you are so I mean, I rest my case. you guys supporting him makes total sense now.

>>10219285
Tambourine idols always have this energy that's really corny but I kind of like! I think seeing them live would be really fun. Also interesting to see poppy doing a more sultry song for once.

>>10219477
i don’t.. care? it literally doesn’t matter if he helped you. he hurt me and close friends. just because he “helped you” doesn’t mean he’s not a terrible person?? lmao.

>>10219483
Mmm its not delusion, honey, nor is it support. Its looking at things objectively and not judging people based on hearsay.

what's the best way to advertise my site to idols to submit themselves to it? it's not done yet, but it's coming along!

>>10219519
I'd say message groups on instagram, comment on their youtube videos and explain what the site is, and ask if they can promote it? Making official social media accounts might help.

I would also love if the discord could become active e.g. with weekly discussions, challenges. etc.

>>10219519
Make a related Instagram and reach out to a few groups to feature them/have someone run the Instagram with a Linktree to the website/Discord server etc. The majority of idol groups are on Instagram so that's probably the easiest way to advertise and gather more names. Will there be different categories for group types (cosplay/non cosplay)? Reaching out across the board would be the best bet. Just watch your posting times/engagement.

>>10219515
lol he directly lied to me and friends of mine, that’s not what heresay is. also love the addition of “honey” it makes you sound really mature.

>>10219544
you should reflect on yourself before calling out someones maturity levels. the fact you even bring up a jabbing defense like that proves its all hearsay, drama hungry, people bringing down julily and this producer. am i right, himeluka and puka puka?

>>10219544
>hear·say
>/ˈhirˌsā/
>noun
>information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.
ok

>>10219550
I really can’t with you guys lol. there’s a difference between starting drama and attempting to warn people, I see you guys have made up your decision on what you think I’m doing and I’ll just have to politely disagree.

>>10219544
It's hearsay because I'm hearing shittalk from you without any evidence to back it up except your friends' testimony.

As they used to say in the old days, pics or it didnt happen. But based on what was said earlier, the evidence was deleted by the people who are accusing him. So it doesnt look good for you.

this is exactly why ppl didn’t want to come forward in the first place.
i’m not sure who the other anon talking abt ryo is but IM saying this right now: i don’t give a fuck about julily. we are literally not trying to tear her down. i want to warn people about this fucking creep and that’s IT.
you want proof? i literally told you guys we’re working on getting our statements and proof together.

The song chart website is coming along. I'll try to have it online tonight. These are the top 7 original songs in the 12 songs I'm using for testing:

1 Interlunium - Level Up (Altair/ENG Version)
2 【Legacy】Spring is in the Air (Music Video)
3 Niji Universe Inc. 虹バス - Ai'm Loving You 愛'm Loving You (ALY) OFFICIAL MV
4 黒姫のサードシングル|Kuro Hime's 3rd Single【Everyday!幸せ!】
5 Renaissance彡 - Astreal Idols
6 【MV】Brand New Me / Crystal Rose [公式]
7 Hello Days 【MV】/ Flusay Girls [公式] 【フルセイ少女】

Okay I am a bit lost
Is Ryo from Supercell Julily's producer? If so, weather he is a creep or not why doesn't he help her with anything?
Why not help her music. everything and produce, I mean she has really little content and a mediocre song at best, i don't get it sorry

>>10219574
I literally give no fucks about this ryo person but it def seems like some of the people criticizing him are linking him to julily and implicitly trying to tear her down through that connection. Not saying you, but others here seem to be doing so. >>10219464 makes an interesting point.

>>10219601
No, the Ryo who is Julily’s producer is not supercell Ryo. He just uses the same name.

>>10219601
Maybe whoever he is is just busy? I mean music producers dont necessarily work with just one person at a time. If he really is supercell, maybe hes got other projects? If hes not, maybe hes got a day job?

In any case, why does it matter?

>>10219489
Love Tambourine idols, they're very polished.
>>10219078
Where did this pengy hype come from

>>10218538
>>10219601
So like, why are people suddenly super interested in who julilys producer is??

Why after all the dust with her critics was settled are people still finding ways to bring her back up? What is this?

This thread is fucking pathetic. Fucking “idols”

>>10219626
Not that anon but I didn't think much about Pengy's dancing until I saw her swampcon performance which was bangin. I would also be hype to see her live

Pengers is just a cute.

>>10219627
I posted some things about Julily here and in the last thread (maybe once or twice) but even I’m super confused about the sudden bring up of her producer. It’s one thing if it was brought up separately but it feels like someone started this recent debate just to bring it around to Ryo. Just so there’s a reason to talk about him. I say we just all stop talking and move on unto someone posts online if they even do.

>>10219672
If they really wanted to just warn people, they could have brought him up any old time. I still feel like somebody is actively trying to drag Julily through the mud and brought up her producer to further do that because if he's garbage, then she must be garbage by association. I just want to call out this scummy behavior. Let's keep this Mean Girls mentality out of our community please?

And now move on.

>>10219658
Pengy is >our girl

Ryo came up as a subject when somebody posted on this thread or the last one, I can’t remember, that julily May or may not be banging her producer. Then someone else asked who her producer was.

>>10219737
Okay now I'm absolutely sure this is some kind of vendetta against Julily. I checked this thread, the last thread, and archives of threads going back several months. This never came up. Whoever you are, you're just making up shit now.

>>10219737
It's becoming more and more likely to me that somebody has a vendetta against this poor girl.

I can only assume you're referring to the message that got deleted because I checked this thread and the last one and several archives going back.

This is going way too far. Where is that rumor even coming from? The same source that said Chiyo founded Ambiflora? Come on now, where and when do the lies and rumors end?

Pengy 2020

>>10219627
I have never said anything about Julily, mainly because I don't care, but since everyone was talking about her and her producer I got lost and curious that's all.
I don't understand what deeper meaning you are looking for, it's pretty simple.

Redirecting to some good OIC news: the other admins and staff now have full control of the server and are going to do a bunch of maintenance and internal changes with staff stuff so OIC's actually doing what it's supposed to do. I've like these admins and just felt like they didn't actually have admin levels of control over everything before so I'm a bit more hopeful rn. If they and the staff can get responsibilities spread out properly to everyone, that'd be a really nice change.

The first thing these admins did was introduce a server that's public and will be accessibe to anyone so that they're not gatekeeping their community. I'm assuming they'll put it on the website sometime during this maintenance period, and I'll post that here when that's done. I'm glad they opened their "we're making changes 'round here" statement with a task that was finished and not just a list of promises.

Y'all never learn do you? Oml
If you don't want Julily's name associated with something as disgusting as pedophilia then don't. bring. her. up.
Don't put it in people's minds that she could possibly be associated. Even if your intentions are good, you're part of the problem. Knock it off and move on.

>>10219843
OIC Lite looks pretty much the same as the normal discord. Though, I am glad there isn't as big of a diversion (?) between OIC members and regular people anymore. It feels more welcoming I guess? Think I'm going to move to that one lol

>>10219846 #
Yeah that seems to be the point of it, to make it feel more like one blob of people instead of a few categories where one is clearly more distinctive. They'll still keep the main discord, but I'm going to assume they'll be focusing it more on networking idols and others in the database together rather than having all random discussion happen there. That's my hope at least, and if they do it that way then it'll feel much better to be a non-official member compared to before.

>>10219910
Yeah.
It's gonna sound stupid, but the members discord felt lonely to me? Like I always felt like a little kid that just wondered in there because of the OIC and non-OIC member distinction, it made me feel disconnected from the community cuz I wasn't "official". Idk how to describe it, maybe someone else has a similar feeling that can word it better

>>10219944
It definitely could be lonely if you weren't the type to proactively try to be involved, which many aren't. I'm pretty excited for OIC Lite desu

>>10219958
True, true. I think it'll be easier to talk to people on Lite since there's not as much activity, so it's harder to get drowned out.

>>10219843
I'm a little salty that they're starting with server and bot maintenance and not going through the backlog of applications for the OIC database, but as long as things are actually moving it's okay.

>>10220171
its only two people technically working on all the maintenance. if your salty, maybe direct message and ask if they need help?

>>10219457
I’m fucking dying that there are people niave enough to consider conflating the two. Supercell ryo is a Japanese producer from the early vocaloid days that gets paid by anime studios to do their music and some weeaboo kid thinks he can take credit for the man’s work? The disrespect.

>>10218353
>>10217621
>>10218333
the chart is up at oichart.com (pic related)
its calculating the top 20 (out of 40 songs). I used the list in the OP to get the songs. it should update every hour. feedback and suggestions welcome.

>>10220258

>I’m fucking dying that there are people niave enough to consider conflating the two

The nativity in this thread has always been high, I blamed it initially on a the young age of some people in the community but there’s delusional grown adults in this thread too.

I genuinely find it hard to believe people think he made that work but than I remember that people here who’s can’t even read music, genuinely thinking they could compose songs that people go to degrees for/pay hundreds of dollars at workshop. I’m sure there’s still people believing someone in Japan is going to “discover them” and fly them to japan to make it big. This thread will now and forever be filled with nativity, glibness, and delusion.

>>10220258
All right. Move along, move along.

>>10220262
forgot the pic

>>10220263
I cant believe there are still people who cant just let this shit go. Enough already.

>>10220262
How are the rankings calculated? Is it just sorting by all time youtube views?

If possible it’d be easier to evaluate newer releases and have more even playing field to also have a chart that ranks based on views within the last month or week. Not sure if achievable with how you’re doing it unless you are basically socialblade level?

>>10220270
its sorting by recent views. so right now #1 is getting about as many views as #2-4 combined so that's why it's doing so well even though it has alot less views than #2.

in this case, new releases would do well because they would be getting a bunch of front loaded views from people checking it out. but the new releases will drop in rank over time if they aren't getting as many views as older videos.

>>10220273
Yo anon this is awesome to see! (I’m the original anon who suggested a top 40) glad someone got something up since I am hopeless at that kind of stuff. Hopefully whoever creates the next thread can include this link in the OP.

>>10220182
I know they reopened their staff apps and mentioned they'd be taking in more help, so I'm sure they'll be getting to all of that stuff too. These two just seem pretty capable atm and I'm here for it

>>10220375
what email are they using for apps? or can I just fill out the form on the website? I’m not in OIC discord so I don’t know lmao

>>10220377
Use whatever's on their website, that's what they linked when asking for more apps

>>10220263
>nativity

>>10220258
>>10220263
>>10220623
Why are people still shitting on some guy that nobody else here knows??
If you wanted to warn us, leave the warning and leave. Stop baiting for more hate to pile on.

This shit needs to stop or I'm reporting all of you.

Y'all seen Darling's newest trainwreck?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNuvVeoKqAs

>>10220909

that was hard to watch and had a lot of cuts

>>10220925
Whoever edited this need to be fired. Dia and Maru were cut off at the very beginning, all you had to do was back up a little bit... The dancing isn't great either. The Mari, Yoshiko, and Ruby were cute though, they were definitely my favorites. Also, the part where they tried to imitate the anime when Chika would have done the back hand spring was hilarious.

>>10220909
That physically hurt to watch.

>>10220925
Don’t the cuts match the anime?

>>10220909

Why is it so hard to just go on YouTube and learn how to edit videos and do different types of cuts. Fuck different angles.

Those poor girls shouldn’t have been cut off from view. They went through editing saw those girls not in frame and posted it anyway. Fucking shoot it again like damn, at this point just hire a recent graduate from a film school. You’ll pay 50 bucks and the kid will edit it and record it leagues better than whatever the fuck this was. No member should feel like an after thought.

I won’t even touch the dancing it speaks for itself.

>>10220932
>>10220932
Im pretty sure i saw one of them say they didn’t have a speaker?? So i think thats their excuse for the dancing lmao. Not sure what the excuse for the cuts would be, they had to have reviewed it right?

>>10221030

That’s a shit excuse, have someone count the beats out loud. Everyone should be able to run a dance with someone just clapping the tempo if they knew it enough.

If they weren’t allowed, or scared to play the song out loud, they shouldn’t have performed in that environment. There’s always an excuse and there isn’t one. Dancing is still dancing, you don’t need the music if you know the choreography for simple jpop moves, this shit isn’t swan lake.

>>10221021
they shouldnt have matched the anime imo, it looks awful and like theyre trying to cover up bad dancing. some cutting is fine but the reason they do it in the anime is to blend cgi with 3d, and it doesnt translate to live action dancing.

Anyone go to the Metrocon Idolfest? How was it?

>>10221030
Surely one of them had a phone on them, there's no excuse

>>10220909
I believe they had someone they met at the con help them do the videography. The name is Sloan? Its not a member of their group, i’m assuming that person was in charge of it and told them it was good— they also said that person editted it and gave that to them. No excuse for dancing though imo

oichart wasnt working the way i wanted so i made a minor change. it should work better now.

>>10220909
I feel like unless you can do a trick as good as a back handspring as done in the anime it's better to just not cover it. At least a rebound would look okay

>>10220909
dietshampoo was bragging in one of her vlogs about how the only spent an hour or two on this PV while most groups spend all day and WOW it shows.
Also the part where it zoomed in on her making intense eye contact made me so uncomfortable oof

>>10221316
She seriously bragged about that? How embarrassing.

>>10221316
I wouldn’t call it bragging, but she did mention that.

>>10221316
Yeah hun there's a reason people take all day fgfhghfhfg
I haven't watched it but the way you worded it makes her sound kinda like an elitist oof

>>10221363
Not that anon, but she is elitist. If you want a chance to join darling, you have to be her friend prior to joining.

Also why doesn't Darling have their own YouTube channel? Is DS that hungry for YouTube views and subs? It makes no sense since she probably doesn't profit off the videos for copyright reasons.

>>10221390

>If you want a chance to join darling, you have to be her friend prior to joining.

Why are so many groups like this. I’m not referring to friend groups starting together and maybe branching out but a “leader” of a group trying to be a queen bee. The fact there isn’t separate YouTube channel is proof alone. It’s a recurring thing in the community, and it’s always people who clearly never lead shit in their life. The group is huge, pool money or raise it to buy a camera so fuck ups like this never happens again.

https://youtu.be/ehJbG5fw8qw
Thoughts? I think it's good. My only complaint is that I wish the vocals were a little thicker, if that makes sense? Like I wish they had more support cause it gets a bit drowned out with the instrumental. Especially would've been appreciated with the screaming bit at the Hellos. Besides that, I love it.

>>10221420

I love this as well. My only nitpick was some of the pronunciation wasn’t the best but the average weeb wouldn’t know. Everything about this was amazing and the best part is she used people familiar with certain skills to do what she couldn’t. That’s how you get a 10/10 project. You can’t do it? Get someone who can.

>>10221420
Believe it ir not, that's her vocal aesthetic. Even performing live, she requests the instrumentals be louder than her mic. It makes her voice sound artificial which matches her glitchy robot image.

>>10221648
Makes a lot of sense, actually. Regardless, she’s pretty damn talented. Her voice is strong and nice to listen to and the song isn’t overly simple and childish like a lot of other original net idol songs. I’ve always known Melancholiaaah was pretty good but she genuinely surprised me with this one. Props to her.

>>10221648
Oh, really? That's pretty cool.
My hearing sucks tho so I'm afraid of not being able to enjoy her music to the full extent oof ;; but I'm definitely going to check out more of her things, cause this made a wonderful first impression for me.

Goddamn, her vocals sound really good. What a talent.

>>10221420

>>10221390
I actually saw her talk about this in a video once. I was really curious about it myself because it seems so elitist. The group just agreed that since everyone knows where to go for Darling videos, and that they already had everything uploaded on there from the start (they didn’t want to reupload that many videos) that the group just decided to leave them there or some such thing like that. Its confusing but in some ways i get it. Not how I would do it though.

New variety content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myqa2oRhUio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bj7OSkIxzQ

>>10222553
God blessed us with these videos. Auracle are all so pretty and DZD are really cute together. I wish more groups were like them.

Looks like bouquets is releasing another song + some new girls, can't find any examples of Suzu's voice actress singing, but most of the bouquets CVs are no names.

>>10222787
Personally, I like that the CVs are no names. While it’s great to have well known people in a group, if that’s all that exists then there’s no fun of discovery. I personally enjoy seeing new people especially if they are talented.

>>10222787
I like it, net idol groups seem to pick the most popular people, but they miss out on some real talent who are less popular.I like the new girl but I think the green one is my favorite.

I know this thread decided to be quieter after the drama but does anyone have any links to recent releases?

>>10224168
I don’t think there’s been any. I know Squeeze is teasing the end of this round of the ARG but I still don’t get the point of it honestly.

>>10224168
Only one I know was already posted. I think the next big round of comebacks is in Fall (usually a lot of people release things early summer and late fall)

>>10224168
I wish old anon was around because I'm not subbed to as much as they are but:

ShiRo Upcoming Single https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw8uJWzq-fE

Auracle Metrocon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtmiRn4i2kA

and did anyone share this I cant recall but I liked it a lot

Meet The Strongest J-pop Girl Idol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJN1Bzapb0E

>>10224198
I watched that! I’m excited, never seen a group use english songs before? It looked really cool with whatever they do. Ive gotten “proof” they perform live so I guess they don’t post content on purpose. I think theyre teasing a new member

>>10224225
Auracle were great I love them so much

>>10224238
Yeah that’s not a doubt. They’ve just continuously pushed back their online debut and now I wonder if it’ll actually happen. They might be teasing a new member but everything more or less leads to blueberry which is already one of the members flavors or whatever. They were supposed to announce new members but then put everything on hold so.

>>10224319
The blue member is blue raspberry not blueberry I think

I remember an odottemita general that talked about cosplay covers using popular cosplay for songs not related to the character but matching in personality

Like this for example

Mizca - Dame yo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLA0cJYBQQA

Reol - Addiction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZRhOu3ZKJk

Any advice for scouting out cool or interesting places to film pvs? I know a lot of people just use parks, but I've seen some seriously amazing backdrops in some of these.

>>10224386
Take a day or two to explore your area or research locations local photographers recommend. My city doesn't have much, but exploring help me find some hidden gems.

There were no answers to my question last topic. Do you guys prefer when overseas idol as a more natural make-up (more girl next door vibe, inspired by Hello! Project, AKB, etc.,) or do you prefer where they have more of a Harajuku style/anime make-up (bold eyeliner, big blush, false eyelashes). Any type of make-up you really love for idols? Photo exemples would be great as well!

>>10224541
I think definitely natural, unless they’re entire branding is going for a more Harajuku-esque feeling? Now I’m thinking that I’d love to see a decora style group

>>10224541

I like overseaidols to wear makeup that looks best on them and fits with their overall outfits.

Natural makeup is just subdued, it doesn’t mean less makeup. It still includes blush, eyelashes and so on it just a gentler version that amplified the features that the individual has.

Makeup that is more dramatic should do the same but it’s more striking. All it does is focus on one area you deem important.

I’m not going to say “I prefer ____ over ____” because you or someone in the thread might take the majority opinion and follow it like it’s bible.

Look at your group, take everyone’s features and skin into account, take your brand or whatever your costume is for that performance and do the makeup style that fits that.

I would love to see a decora group that does avant-guard makeup extremely well that sounds so much fun. I don’t want to see it if it’s half ass and doesn’t even look good on everyone.

>>10224386

Some uses CG Greenscreens to cosplay/photo studios for their dances

>>10224541
I want them to wear makeup suited for the stage lol
I don't care what style it is, as long as they don't look dead or super shiny

>>10224596
That only applies to stages. Makeup techniques for video and makeup techniques for stage are different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqjRo7DGsl8
Michigan Idol Showcase. I don't think this ever got posted, but this happened about a month ago. Thoughts?

>>10224632
No duh. It was obvious I was talking about stages only lmao

So it seems that 154Pro is picking up OIC's slack and doing a mentorship program. Anyone participating?

>>10224654
>154Pro
link?

>>10224654
Only problem is they only accept people who want to debut solo and *must* debut with 154pro attached to them.

>>10224641
I thought we established last thread that this was a poorly done showcase....

>>10224641
It was posted. Recap of the convo was people were upset about the music stand.

>>10224695
I don't think that's right, where did you hear that?

Does anyone have any information on Astreal's next song? They uploaded some DnD-themed(?) art on their instagram last week, but nothing about dates that I've seen.
>>10224670
Also seconding this. Google and insta just show random Russian shit.

>>10224971
That's a typo, I'm sure they meant 194pro

>>10224971
Probs Otakon since thats coming up? They wore renaissance for Animenext and they went to Otakon last year so.

>>10224559
I think everyone loves Peachy Parade and Danzoo Dash, probably because they do more bolder kawaii animu make up? So doesn't that make it the best option?

>>10224541
Natural all the way. Too much makes idols look like cosplay... I think idols should have that girl next door type of feeling.

Random Question of the day, have you ever tried doing a comparison dance to the first time you did the cover of this song to see what changes you have seen in your movement? I have seen a couple of covers that had a side by side comparison to see if they had made any improvements or changes to the way they dance

>>10225923
Tbh natural makeup looks like shit on pictures and on stage.

>>10225396

Everything went completely over your head huh?

Nobody in this thread should take the majority opinion in this thread as what they should do. Stop acting like a sheep.Every situation is different and people need to adjust their makeup style to that.

If you don’t know anything about stage or theater makeup research it. If you don’t know anything about how to add the right amount of makeup for a high definition camera to capture you than research it.

MANY factors goes into someone looking good while being filmed or on a stage.

It’s ignorant to think if I do ____ because this group does ____ I’ll be successful like them. It’s as dumb as a photographer going “ this photographer won an award with this camera so I’m going to use the same camera” , like no that person probably amazing with composition and editing while having a quality camera helped it wasn’t what made them.

Doing natural makeup isn’t going to take you to the stars if it’s not even properly applied, looks awful on your HD camera because you don’t know how to apply it correctly for film, looks horrifying on stage due to professional lights, and most like crummy because it’s not like anybody in this thread is hiring a professional to do their face.

This groups are adored in these threads because they have quality as a whole.

What do yall think about groups who use patreon heavily or crowdfunding instead of their own money? Is there any groups where patreon funds all their activitieS? I'm thinking about making a patreon but I'm not sure if it's worth the work

>>10225923
Something like pic related is cute, but desu I personally don't care what their makeup looks like as long as they perform well. Most netdols don't have access to the same skincare routines as actual celebs and actual on stage makeup of said celebrities is pretty heavy anyway so...

Honestly the makeup look should depend more on the overall vibe of the group/individual member, because even in actual professional groups, each member has their own unique fashion/makeup style. It's what makes them stand out as individuals and attract solo fans.

>>10226046
>instead of their own money
I don’t mind it as long as the money is actually going towards the project. We never know what of their own money they’re already putting in, so unless they don’t have anything that actually costs money (costumes, professional photos, a website, etc), I don’t have an issue. If they haven’t started or are using crowdfunding or Patreon to fund everything then it’s an issue.

I think crowdfunding and Patreon are good if you know how and when to them. Example:
>Patreon for things like websites, new costumes, practice space, travel, etc
>Crowdfunding for things like releases and full productions

Patreon is for sure more work and you need to be sure you can keep up with it. Also make sure you actually have a decent fanbase to actually support you on it. If you’re a small person and don’t have an active community willing to support you monetarily, don’t do it.

>>10226046
I don't mind it at all. One of my favorite (non overseas) idols depends on kickstarters and she's made amazing things with them. (Pls stan Sori she's such a sweet girl I love her sm)
As long as you're honest about everything the money will go into, no hate here.

How many net/overseas idols have visuals in their group? For those that do, do you think the member rightly got that role?
For those that don't, which member do you think should get it?
(Visuals usually aren't just the prettiest, but the ones who can pull off the most looks or whose beauty is outstanding in certain looks)

>>10226451
I think the concept of a visual is interesting but I don't think many overseas groups have visuals, and if they do they don't really acknowledge them.

>>10226451
Visuals are mostly a korean concept. Japanese idol groups don’t have positions at all let alone things like visuals. Like >>10226479 said, if a group had a visual it’s not really acknowledged.

>>10226451
stop using k-pop terminology in j-pop. its cringy. keep that shit in your k-pop fandom.

>>10226480
I think that's a good conversation topic:
Should groups have defined positions?
Are there pros and cons to doing things a certain way?

>>10226451
Jpop idols are in many cases supposed to have a "girl next door" or "idol you can meet" approachability as individuals and as a unit. Adding roles like visual takes away from that. I'm sure fans deem some member(s) the prettiest, but Jpop idols are usually more humble/cute as far as looks and there's not one girl that's supposed to stand out as super glamorous over the others.

>>10226529
Since when were overseas idols specifically only supposed to follow jpop? Get outta here with that gatekeeping shit

>>10226529
Literally all of this is cringey lmao shut up

Fr tho does anyone else find it awfully ironic how earlier people were complaining that no one leaves the jpop scene but when someone brings up something that doesn't follow that, you complain about it?
Like what do you want from people?

>>10226529
>t. weeb

>>10226451
>>10226532
Having the strongest dancer as the "center" for most songs is the only viable role in this case. Then again, making any kind of role that highlights a single member might cause discord within the group. Still, I'd like to see a group test it out, at least. Usually they just have a "leader" and that's it.

>>10226566
Yeah, the takeaway is that there isn't really any right answer for this sort of hobby. Someone's gonna think it sucks no matter what you do. Look at the answers for "dramatic makeup vs. natural makeup" earlier this thread, or the discussion a few threads ago about whether idols should sing Japanese songs to be like real jidols or make music in their own language. There's a lot of diverse opinions here about how something "should" be done, so there's no real answer. Just do what feels and works best for you or your group.

>>10226451
I know Squeeze has roles. they’re the only one I can think of. They each have solo/center parts during their lives doing their respective roles. groups shy away from that because none of them specialize in anything or are good enough to have a title Or they try to emulate jpop more which doesn’t do that.

>>10226529
Visuals have always existed in jpop you clown, they just weren’t specifically called visuals

Can't stand how male net idols need to mention they are boys no matter what the situation is. we get it already.

>>10226589
You. You're valid.

Due to certain announcements I’m wondering about work visas again. This following the older weaboo idol dream of working as an idol in japan.

Since Japan is bad about its immigration politics I can only imagine a few scenarios of gaijin idols working in Japan:

1: getting signed with a Japanese talent agency willing to sponsor an entertainer visa. Not likely since
>they have to offer you a high enough income to be on this visa
>Having enough clout in the first place for this
OR
>Auditioning, when auditions are required in person and you technically aren’t supposed to be looking for jobs on a vacation visa.

2: University visa
You are allowed to get a job while using this visa but
>pitfall being anyone on a university visa not allowed to work in any establishment that sells alcohol. This rules out most independent idol companies
Only person I’ve seen luck out and not have to deal with this is Amaki Sally because she’s working with a large company and doesn’t have to work through bars etc.
This route could also work if you manage to work illegally as an idol.

3: Get a job as an English teacher and work illegally as an idol in your spare time since you technically are only supposed to work at your visa-specific job

4: Working Holiday Visa
>only available to select few countries, not including the USA
>A one time opportunity
Otherwise probably most legal way to legit work as an idol outside of #1

5: Get paid under the table or free work on a normal visa

6: Citizenship by marriage which also kills your chances of being an idol but I almost want to see someone try

With Japanese immigration politics not changing anytime soon. Does anyone have any experience to chime in on this?
I’m curious if there are any loopholes I may have missed.

I could list the girls that have gone so far and speculate how they got there but I’m at text limit. There was one girl who had her visa taken away because of net drama too so it’s a sensitive subject.

>>10226594
Why is Squeeze always being talked about here?
Are they really active performing live? Because I just looked them up and their Instagram barely has any info about them.

Also, in regards to groups having roles, it would be cool if groups would acknowledge each person's strength and give them a title based on that but that seems like it can cause resentment within groups

>>10226911
They get discussed because they've got some sort of ARG stuff going on with their posts and a storyline in the works, and no one has really figured out it yet. Their Instagram actually has a ton of posts but most of them are archived. Depending on where they are in their story, old posts resurface and disappear. Most of us haven't actually seen them perform cause they're secretive about having photos and videos posted of them, but they do seem to have a devoted local fan base. So the rest of us are interested cause they're so cryptic I guess, lol. It's worth noting that this tactic has gotten them a bit of criticism on these boards too.

>>10226893
I’m going off purely what I know as an American, so I’m sorry if someone isn’t one and can’t use this information. Definitely check your Embassy’s website.

Also important: When you are in a country and apply for a visa, you need to leave and wait for your visa application to go through before going back for that reason.

>point 1
US Citizens can stay up to 90 days in Japan without a visa for tourism and business. If you managed to land an in-person audition with an agency, you can go without actually needing a visa if you live in the USA. You could also go to Japan and audition as many times in a 3 month period as you want without repercussion if you stay there. I found nothing that says you have to be paid a certain amount. Most countries request that you are at least able to survive on your own if you move to their country regardless. You do, however, need a signed contract.

>point 2
I’ve personally never heard of smaller idol groups (both chika and indie) working in places with alcohol especially as most places they perform are usually small stage spaces, not bars. Regardless, there’s actually an idol project that runs through colleges so that college girls can be idols (not College Cosmos).

>point 3
Not wrong

>point 4
I don’t believe the USA has a working holiday visa. But regardless, what agency would sign you for such a short time?

>point 5
This happens even to legal underground idols in Japan which is why sometimes they may have another job. Korea too. It’s not great but it happens.

>point 6
Yeah don’t do that. I don’t remember who, but a girl faked a marriage for a visa to be an idol and got deported I’m pretty sure. I could be remembering incorrectly, but she got deported because it wasn’t a real marriage.

>>10226958
Samefag but as far as Sally Amaki goes, she’s Japanese-American. Both her parents are Japanese and she has family in Japan. I could be wrong but I’m willing to bet one or both of her parents were still Japanese nationals when she was born. That would be she’d automatically be a citizen (or they applied for dual citizenship) so our (foreign) rules wouldn’t necessarily apply to her. I can’t find anything that verifies this, but she passed the audition while already living in Japan (she’d moved there, not just visited) which means she probably was already a citizen.

>>10226893
your first real step to any of this is knowing japanese. if you don't know the language then you're not going to make it very far with any of these points.

and even if you do without knowing the language, you will very likely fuck yourself out of a decent pay for your work.

japanese do all their contracts involving numbers written in kanji so that way the prices cannot be adjusted after the contract has been signed. you could be told you're getting 25,000 yen for a performance and surprise, because you couldn't read the kanji yourself you're actually being paid 2,500.

>>10226978
If you can’t tell the difference between 二十五万 and 二千五百 that’s your own fault but individual performance numbers are not placed in contracts because individual performances are just that. I’d also like to know where you got the knowledge that they write them in kanji so they can’t be adjusted later. But if you don’t read and discuss a contract, what you get is your fault anyway?

>>10227028
NTAYRT but I live and study in Japan and every contract involving any salary I’ve been given has been written in kanji. As well as the monthly rate for the apartment I signed for is also written in kanji. This is done to protect buyer and seller and fairly common. Kanji is the hardest part about Japanese so I wouldn’t be surprised if people didn’t know the basic kanji for numbers especially if their pipe dream is to work as a gaijin idol in japan lol. Many of these people don’t give a shit about learning the language much less reading/writing it. Only that sweet aidoru clout.

>>10227119

>Many of these people don’t give a shit about learning the language much less reading/writing it. Only that sweet aidoru clout.

I agree, I don’t know why people keep bringing it up as if anyone will be signed off for an agency. The quality agencies only want to see full blooded Japanese or halfus on stage in their groups. The only acceptation are fellow East Asians who are scouted because of their talent or looks. Outside of that if you’re not already 14/15 years old starting out that’s just another check box against you.

Everyone’s worried about visa it seems every few threads but not the qualifications for an agency to want you.
The only way I could see anyone making it is if they were fluent in Japanese, had amazing vocals and dancing skills, awesome charisma and beautiful within Japanese beauty standards.

The more I read these threads the more I feel like people cannot differentiate between Japanese and Korean standards on both sides. It’d be nice if you guys would speak accurately about what you think you know but then again.

>>10227360
Finally someone said it. Also Stop screaming gatekeeping when people correct you on differences between Japanese and Korean performer standards. You look ingorant and racist.

>>10227368
I think it's one thing to correct people and another to just be like "keep that kpop shit out of here entirely you're cringey"
Kpop and Jpop happen to both be very big right now and I think it could lead to interesting discussions to compare and contrast the two.

>>10227389
The issue is that people seem to ignore these differences. For example, jpop has almost never cared about vocal or dance quality. Only really LDH has. Kpop on the other hand is all about vocal and dance.

So why do people act like jpop is the only valid form for overseas idols to follow? Why can't we take the good from all sides (adding in Western pop and other Asian pop)
Like the anon that posted about visuals never said they were talking about jpop/kpop, just said overseas idols. It's unfair that jpop has been set as the norm/standard when not everyone wants to follow it. People need to get their head out of their asses and accept change.

>>10227499
To be fair, about 90% of overseas idols take from Japanese idols. I think it’s just an assumption plus there’s not really been a kpop inspired group besides dotBliss which isn’t super active and is just a vessel for Teya and Squeeze which nobody really knows the talents of yet unless they’ve been seen live. Nobody is saying it’s bad or wrong. There’s just not been much pull on the actual idol side.

>>10227532
Given the criticism the comment got, it seems there is some dislike for kpop inspired groups. Maybe if people were more welcoming, others would be willing to branch out? I know a few people that have tried to make groups but eventually gave up/disbanded because they never got traction for it.
Plus people might be turned off from wanting to go that way, since they think they'll never succeed (like how a lot of groups go for the cutesy concept because it's popular instead of going for what they actually want, if it's different)

>>10227499
>it's unfair there is a standard
It's just like complaining about why gyaru can't be considered lolita. There is a reason why kpop and jpop communities are separated. The overseas idol comm is based around J-pop/idol inspiration. That what this community is. Why force kpop standards on a community that is completely different from kpop? Were not here to adjust to you or kpop standards. Stay in your community if you continue to complain about a completely different, unrelated community.

A undiscussed side angle of the kpop vs jpop overseas idol debate is this:

Branding.

If a group is going to do one or the other it’s best to just pick either Kpop or Jpop and not mix the two. There is some overlap but there is also animosity between the fanbases. If for some reason you’re marketing online to Japanese audience for example just be aware there will be people biased against kpop. Probably also true the other way around. Japan is still a very racist country.

>>10227598
Bro it's not unrelated. Both are idols. Both sing, dance, perform, entertain, etc. Just because you think yours is superior doesn't mean everyone has to fall into line to what YOU like. People like you are what's wrong with the idol community. Stop policing what people are allowed to get inspiration from.

Fffff uhhh Anyways
A La Melody posted some new pics to their story. The siblings kind of remind me of manhua characters for some reason??

Does anyone have any info about the Idol stage at otakon? I didn’t hear anything about it at all until the schedule came out. I would’ve gone to ota if I knew before. It seems to be a lot of not oic idols but I didn’t see any audition thing for it. Was it invite only?

>>10227634
Never mentioned one is better than the other. You are free to brand yourself however the fuck you want. However, there are differences between the communities at the end of the day. That's my point. Your twisting it up to for your narrative and only proving >>10227389 point. You look ignorant and uninformed for not recognizing the differences between j-pop, k-pop and the communities. People dress up in jfashion styles, but lolita isn't visual kei and vice versa. Same applies here. End of story.

>>10227643
It was invite only but these are overseas idols? I still can't believe people don't consider themselves or other people idols just because they aren't under oic. That's not even the real reason of oic's existance.

>>10227614
Although I agree about the racism I'd say the Koreans hate Japan more than vice versa. Also alot of Kpop groups make it mainstream big in Japan, I think Twice were the best selling girl group in Japan last year.

Peachy Parade
Marchen Debut cover
https://youtu.be/LBihk5rG52s

Mosuri
Marchen Debut Cover from MomoCon
https://youtu.be/pqStgWqLRQg

Martha
Nekkoya cover from Okashicon
https://youtu.be/EeUIxlLE0Tk

Squeeze Teaser video
https://youtu.be/7RmAdTqN9aM

Platinum Happy
Wake up my music dance cover
https://youtu.be/DmVg1hDuGCM


This is older but I hadn’t seen it posted yet

Melancholiaah TIF performance
https://youtu.be/cJCjz9GDMb0

I wish more UK content got posted

>>10227812
Do you mean more UK groups posting, or more UK videos being posted here? Because you could post more videos here if that’s what you’re wanting.

>>10227532
And dotbless doesn’t really even DO Kpop besides dance covers on their YouTube. They cater more to Jpop by doing showrooms

>>10227647
I know there are differences, I'm not an idiot. You're describing them as if they have nothing to do with each other, which is untrue. If you didn't care, why are you so hellbent on keeping the two separated? That's where you sounded like you were acting like jpop was better, like you couldn't deal with having kpop filth interacting with it.
They're not two different worlds, they interact with each other all the time. JYP, a Korean company, is even making a Japanese girl group and Kpop groups top the charts all the time in Japan. So don't act like they have nothing to do with each other.
Don't call me ignorant when you don't know more than me, you just sound like an elitist.

>>10227913 (I'm this anon)
Literally all I'm saying is acknowledge the differences and take what we like from each part (like I said, Western and other Asian pop included). Why is that so controversial to you? I'm not saying they're the same thing at all, just that I like certain aspects from both and I think it'd be good for the idol community to adopt, instead on focusing on one thing when not everyone may want to follow it strictly. What's wrong with that?

>>10227822
Both really, and I would but I genuinely can’t think of many people from the UK. It seems like there’s only a couple of names around here and I don’t want to just post them constantly.

>>10227920
You seem upset that a community unrelated and doesn't wants to be associated to kpop doesn't want to conform rather than promoting different styles. We're all idols, I agree. That doesn't mean our communities are the same. There still completely different and there are people on both sides who don't want to be forced to do the latter. People have already made good examples comparing J-fashion but here is another example: Theres artists. All artists create art. But a painter paints with paints and canvas and a graphic designer works with a computer and Adobe illustrator. Would you call a painter a graphic designer because they are under the same umbrella term as artists? No, there completely different styles and mediums.

That concept is what anons were explaining when it comes to K-pop and J-pop. You look biased, which is understandable when you like something thats unrelated to overseas idols, hence your ignorance.

>>10228017
Not even that anon but as an artist or graphic designer everyone needs to learn the same basic rules, and art takes a lot of inspiration from everything around them.
So it's not necessarily calling a graphic designer a painter, it's more like taking inspiration from a famous piece to improve and create more interesting or meaningful art.
It doesn't hurt to expand our horizons a little and see how other countries do things

>>10228017
You're the only one who has continuously insulted and shown your hate for this idea. Spoiler alert: you don't speak for the whole community.
Since you seem to only want to repeat your words and call me 'ignorant' instead of providing an actual argument to why it's bad, I have no interest in continuing this conversation.
I'm not even forcing anyone, I was simply proposing a new idea, yet you have this reaction.

>>10228072
Hi new anon here
Nobody wants what you're still obnoxiously advocating new topic please

>>10227795
Let’s talk about actual content instead.

I like Peachy’s new cover, I hope they keep up the song and dance cover content.

I hope Mosuri works on improving their singing, can any of them properly pronounce Japanese?

Excited to see more from Squeeze, though I wish they’d speed things along.

on the topic of the last minute Otakon idol festival, how do you guys feel about invite only events? I understand doing invite only if it’s marketed as a particular group or organization’s event (yes, I know it’s listed as ANIBeat, but to me that doesn’t count since that “organization” doesn’t stand on its own), but when it’s advertised as “Otakon’s Idol Festival” and they claim to be representing all overseas idols, I think it’s a bit scummy not to hold fair auditions and present the opportunity to everyone.

>>10228288
I think for the first time of an event, invite only is okay. You want people who are known to gain traction for the first year of something like this. If they continue to be invite only, then I’ll be upset.

>>10228288
Pretty sure it was invite because it’s a trial run. Cons can do whatever they want to do.

>>10228291
That doesn’t mean its ok? Even more so considering this lineup is shit. There’s one or two I’d go to see.

>>10228893
I kind of have to agree with you. If cons only run on invites only it excludes newer idol acts coming onto the scene and showcasing themselves. Some cons may not accept new idol groups and miss out on being responsible for giving some idols the platform to really grow. However in terms of cons as a business, they want to attract an audience and want the same people to attend their cons and they're definitely going to attend more if they see acts they know they'll want to see. However at the same time I'd be curious to see newer idols as well just to see new talent.

>>10228893
Um...venues and shows choose their performers all the time. Nobody is entitled to a chance to audition.

>>10228937
You have a point but this reminds me of an issue that was brought up a couple of months back. It had to do with one con requiring recent performances or covers for the audition, or at least to record something. Basically people thought it was unfair because it didn’t give newer groups a chance but on the convention’s side, they simply wanted people who actually practiced and took pride in what they do. It’s understandable to want to allow newer idols to participate in these kind of events, however there’s almost always separate panels or just hallway lives going on. Newer idols should first work on releasing content and gaining even a small base before suddenly jumping to an official event.

>>10228970
This. It's not just a black and white issue and thinking people are meany elitist. Idol showcases and cons have logistics they need to consider when screening talent. I'm for supporting new talent, but do some critical thinking about how these events are run before complaining will go a long way and make you look less professional.

>>10227795
Auracle
Gokuraku Jodo cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwWekzFIGfg

Kurohime
Ultimate Choco Beam Cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpzh0ffzYKE

Tambourine
Intros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgzMGKSLlmo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY_wgrRkPxE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBxXQ4JFwOY

Momocon Performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xowiOvH8W70

>>10229054
Kurohime's cover was cute! The only thing I didn't like was the sparkle/glare filter on her dress. The pink around the edges was cute, but that shine was a little too much. Her energy is so cute!

>>10229054
>>10229128
Disagree about kuro. It doesnt look like she took time to practice and study the dance. The transitions are strong, but the dancing itself is very half-assed. Her arms and feet dont even do the full movement. She even missed some smaller cute details that really make the dance great. It's good to see her uploading more content, but i wish she took the time to create quality content and learn the choreography all the way.

Smaller stuff includes camera angle being too high resulting in her being cut off at times and the cheap editing and video quality doesn't do her justice. I trust those will be fixed with time and experience.

I also dislike her constant guilt tripping rants about people not supporting her as if were obligated to, but thats an unrelated issue.

>>10227795
>>10229054

Peachy Parade cover was very cute, although I'm not a personal fan of the heavy editing. The bunny ears on the statues was a nice touch though!

I love Auracle but this particular performance wasn't the best, I think they can do better.

Kurohime is cute but something about her is cringe to me in everything she does.. I want to like her stuff but I just can't for some reason.

Tambourine is.. unsettling..? Something about Poppy in particular is way too much for my tastes. Happy to see more of them without their wigs though, glad they left those behind.

>>10229054
Re: Kuro, I think she's not the most polished dancer but her energy and style are good for jpop dances. Agree about the filter being too much though.

>>10229226
I think Tambourine have fantastic synergy and enjoy watching them, but something about them is just very.... white? Maybe it's the wide smiles. It's not unsettling to me but they don't have the weeby cute vibe that most other idols have, which can be a good or bad thing.

>>10229298
Now that you say that about tambourine you're right. They look so typically white American.

>>10230347
This really explains it. Tambourine always reminded me of high school preps who bullied anime fans only to grow up and get into anime since its so trendy.

So I’d really like to improve my singing capabilities because I love to sing idol songs but I’m afraid I’m not very good. I’d really like to post covers but I’m also afraid of just being called shit without any tips on how to improve. If I posted anonymous covers here until I’m more comfortable would you guys be willing to help with tips and such? I tried to get into OIC for this reason but never got a response so I figured I may as well reach out here.

>>10230470
So what im hearing is, you guys hate white people.

>>10230804
No Kazu, you should really try not being an ass and taking everything as a personal attack. You will be less stressed, trust me.

>>10229298

>but something about them is just very.... white?

If you turn off the volume for their intro and just look at the visuals nothing about their looks,graphics, down to the clothing screams idols. They don’t need to be over the top “kawaii” and it’s refreshing that they are not. There’s just no styling whatsoever going on and it’s hindering
them.

They look like camp counselors in the Midwest giving an intro to camp Cherokee, I was waiting for them to pull out a ukulele. Seriously the smiles seem so forced, something you would see for a worker at Disney world.

Literally someone as simple as curling their hair and simple pink glitter makeup could help a ton if they don’t want to do much.

>>10230845
Ayrt, and I agree they don't need to be stereotypically kawaii, there are plenty of other groups (of all races) that are trying to have that image. But they would benefit from some styling.

I actually Kazu has a cool look to her that's a little tomboyish, like im@s Makoto or Twice Jeongyeon. Poppy could go for something that's more cute but still mature and glamorous? Like some of the im@s shiny colors girls.

re: the otakon idol fest, otakon reached out to the coordinators and asked them to do it. since it was short notice they did invite only, but they said they want to open up auditions for this event in the future!

>>10231044
I went, the show was shit. I left halfway. It was just an untalented onslaught proving why people don’t like overseas idols... I’m praying the same people don’t show up again next time

So Legacy did a Kickstarter for their second single. They formatted it similarly to Interlunium’s. I find it interesting hat they’re taking the same route.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi80C03ON9VNmca9Eqd46gQ
This YouTube channel uploaded the Otakon festival into parts if anyone wants to check it out.

>>10231362
I looked through some of the clips and honestly that was just pathetic.. I understand it was the first year and all but they could’ve have gotten ANY decent performers??

>>10230712
It might be better for the long run if you start watching some youtube "music lessons" covering vocal stability and intonation or whatever problem you have.
If you don't actually know what the problem is, post a vocaroo or something and you might get some help. It's not the best idea to try and consistently use 4chan for concrit though.

>>10231395
That’s what I do, the YouTube singing lesson thing. To be honest, it is quite beneficial and while it takes time because vocals are just like exercise, your diaphragm is a muscle that has to be consistently exercised and trained to get stronger, in the end your voice is more trained and less likely to crack because of proper exercise (aka training you diaphragm.

I recommend it to oversea idols who are trying to improve their singing but can’t afford vocals lessons.

>>10231604
Your diaphragm has as much to do with singing as your rib cage does. Which is absolutely nothing.

>>10231613
Um your diaphragm literally controls most of your singing. It’s literally what you sing FROM. You learn this in basic choir classes even, you sing from your throat or something? If so, yikes.

>>10231629
You don’t sing from your diaphragm cause it’s literally a muscle. It is nowhere near your vocal chords or connected to them. You use your diaphragm on the daily because its literally between your ribs and your lungs. If you talk to an actual vocal coach and not a middle/high school music teacher, they’ll tell you “singing from the diaphragm” is an absolutely bullshit statement.

>>10231663
Samefag but to clarify: without your diaphragm there to help spread your ribs, whenever you breath in your lungs would literally be unable to expand because there’s nothing to help with moving the ribs. Or your ribs would break. At most your diaphragm can be trained to assist with breath control but you don’t need a vocal coach to learn control. You cannot sing from your diaphragm. It is physically impossible.

>>10231669
You just contradicted your entire statement earlier saying the diaphragm is useless, make up your mind anon. Don’t act like a professional of something you’re not.

>>10231685
Not the same as them but okay.

>>10231663
>>10231669
It sounds like your teacher is either a coach or lied about their credentials to get this job. I'd consider stopping since you already look like a fool.

>>10224654
lol nice selfpost

>>10227665
Some of the girls from DtP organized it, specifically Jenni - if someone was in it, they were contacted by her about performing

>>10228288
Majority of real-life stage shows are invite only, so why does it have to be inclusive just because it's at a convention? It's on the organizer of the event (jennibon from what I saw) to choose how to do it.