/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

You could've made a scalper thread with legit proof and info we gathered so far. But you didn't, and now you're going to have a 200 reply bait thread with smug scalpers calling you a poorfag.

>>10208019
>making a thread because you’re upset you can’t afford a listing

ok

>>10208023
Nah I’m waiting for Honey Cake leftovers in January, I thought about making a scalpers thread, turn it into that if you may.

>>10208028
It’s not that I can’t afford it lmao, I have like 3k in the bank. I just wouldn’t pay that much for an ap dress without pockets. And I prefer the yellow colorway. I spend my money wisely.

>>10208035
>I just wouldn’t pay that much for an ap dress without pockets. And I prefer the yellow colorway. I spend my money wisely.
imagine being this retarded

>>10208019
>>10208046
Is that your comment on the listing?

>>10208100
Nope

>>10208097
No u

>>10208019
I feel it's a little high for the modifications. But if it included the headbow and/or socks, the cost would be fine. This is normally what it normally went for unaltered.

Typically if something doesn't sell at this price point, you just keep dropping the price until it sells. They're probably keeping it high and will likely reduce over time.

And then there's kittycarousel.

>>10208107
This is like the 4th time they’ve resisted it at the same price, thank you for giving an actual response!

( Unlike some others on this thread, I just want opinions )

>>10208116
*relisted

>>10208116
I've seen people just keep relisting at the original price for awhile. There's justification in this:
1.) They're in no rush to sell the piece.
2.) Reasoning that a potential buyer at this price point may come up after a few paychecks.

Honestly, nobody is obligated to reduce their prices. But they likely will be passed up by people who list the items lower. Personally, if I see an item on the market that's been sitting at a high price and I have that item and want to part with it, it's a good time to do so.

>>10208035
>3k in the bank

are you like 16 years old with nothing better to do than look for scalpers? LOL
A bitch can sell a dress for whatever she pleases!
There is no collective community library pool of dresses and money where each lolita takes a turn.
How embarrassing!

>>10208129
22 with savings and a full time job thank you very much.

>>10208131
22 and a full time job with only 3k to show for it?
Stop crying over overpriced Japanese baby dresses and get into a different hobby you can actually afford.
No one cares if someone lists a dress for a high price!

>>10208135
Excuse me?? I’m not crying over anything, you must be talking about yourself. Get off my thread

>>10208135
Oh anon stop being a jerk about their savings account lol. The average person has around this much in there.

>>10208135
Lets not pretend like most typical 22 year olds have 3k worth of savings, especially in this dumb fashion where impulsive buying is rampant.

Why do you have to debate about dress pricing?

>>10208135
That’s just the amount I put away for lolita, I have way more saved up and in my checking for other things like rent and bills. I doubt you even have that much right now, you’re probably some poorfag guy living off of ramen noodles who doesn’t even wear lolita just shitposting on 4chan trying to hurt people. Still here?

If it's worth it to you, buy it. If not, don't. Why get triggered at someone else's value?

>don’t even have to pay rent or bills because my bf pays it all
>I use my paycheck for savings and whatever I want

Feels good

>>10208153
Just wanted opinions on it, a lot of other things on there are priced fairly but this specific one is just weird to me. They altered it to have the pockets taken out to fit more plus size but its still close to the original measurements? Why alter it in the first place? Ruining the dress and the value.

I can see that she’s probably just trying to make back the $600 she spent on it originally but with the recent rerelease people are waiting for leftovers for it WITH POCKETS.

>>10208167
Good for you Anon

Mods, just delete this thread, I’m done. I don’t even want to mention that I’m single and support myself and all my hobbies. You insensitive trannys.

>>10208019
>>10208168

Hey just wanted to chime in that I sold the dress to her. I put it on auction starting at around $200 and iirc it ended just south of $600 with the jsk, headbow and socks.

I bought it from a girl who had it professionally altered to fit a larger size. She had the pockets taken out to use the lining as extra panels under the arm to extend the size.

When it arrived it was so large I could fit it over my head without even stretching the shirring and it hung on me like a muumuu. Plus, the extra panels from the pockets had massive brown pit stains, so I paid someone I know to remove the pocket panels and restore it to the original size so I could actually fit it.

So it wasn’t altered specifically to have no pockets, they were just a victim of circumstance.

>>10208174
how self entitled

>>10208035
3k in the bank isn't much where I live and def not much to a lot of lolitas.

You're either a kid, larper, poorfag, or all 3 for trying to flex that amount of money (neither is inherently bad you just seem a little like a tryhard)

>>10208035
no offense anon but if I had only 3k in the bank (assuming that's all you have for living expenses and everything) i wouldn't consider a $500 dress affordable at all

>>10208202
It's not that bad if you don't have to pay for anything else.

>>10208202
I stated earlier that I have way more for living, 3k is what I have to freely spend on lolita

>>10208178
This is good to know

>>10208131
That’s very concerning you have so little saved up at that age with a full time job....

>>10208255
Oh fuck off.

>>10208167
r-r-r-roleplay chan

>>10208258
You first poorfag-chan

Yikes.
Time to post Buff beluga.

*splashes u*

> be me
> have literally $100 in savings
> be in debt cause of school
> still get lolita stuff because fuck it we're all gonna die anyway

Don't get insecure by the opinions of random people on this salty board. Most Americans don't have even 1k in savings. Just live your life.

>>10208035
Okay, then what do lolitas consider a lot in the bank for their hobby and living expenses to spare? Ones that live outside of their parents home.

>>10208334
Don’t ask me, idc ask the people ridiculing the amount I have to spend.

>>10208334
I want to know how much they have since they think they’re so rich

Why the hell would you modify something to remove the pockets anyways? Functional pockets are already so rare in women's clothing, especially skirts and dresses, just... Why?

>>10208167
I'm trying g to live this life but I outearn my bf just by working so much overtime. I want out of this machine!!!

>>10208344
Read the thread anon >>10208178

>>10208290
It's true. I know a family with a nice house they bought in the housing boom and they struggled afterwards when the recession hit. A lot of US families wish they could have at least 1k in savings.

>>10208266
See >>10208150

>>10208167
Yeaaah I used to live that life too anon until my boyfriend felt shafted and used everything against me in the end before breaking up

>>10208498
Damn

>>10208498

I always worry about this, and I'm shit at housework, so I work.

>>10208334
I've got about 80k. The trick to saving a lot of money is to be born rich and have your parents give you 50k every few months.

>>10208498
relying completely on someone else will always end like this. do for yourself unless you're disabled.

>>10208518
50k every few months and you only have 80k saved up? damn you must go on some spending sprees

>>10208290
To be fair, if needed in an emergency you can always sell off your wardrobe usually pretty quickly and get close to the value you paid for it. Your property counts in your worth.

>>10208519
Basically this. It’s always “cool” to your other half in the beginning until they see their $ go down your gullet as you line your pockets with your own pay. In all fairness I did try multiple times to pay my share but he pulled the whole “I’m the man so I’m the breadwinner” card on me.

>>10208498
This thread making me nervous about my situation atm. I pay some bills and he does rent, i do shared housework but it’s not like i don’t also work and he knows my situation atm in why im not making as much as i used to

money is fine, but i hope i don’t ever seem like a leech on anyone :(

>>10208573
All you can do is keep communication open and read the room. You'll seem less like a leech if you do random acts of kindness for him and make him feel appreciated in any way you can. Don't take his generosity for granted, basically.

>>10208565
If they are old school and you are a great cook, a good housekeeper, make a little of your own money with a hobby business and don’t be too greedy wanting an unbalanced amount of spending on just yourself, it’s really a pretty good life.

>>10208147
Actually the average person is a paycheck away from being broke, so having 3k in spending money is pretty impressive

>>10208019
ok but why the fuck would you take the pockets out

>>10208135
>>10208191
>>10208202
>>10208255
>>10208518
19 year old e-statters detected

This shit has been going on since LJ. Probably since the dawn of feudalism actually

>>10208521
Yeah i suck at money managment

Don't really care tho since it doesn't matter for me anyway. House, bills, trips, and anything else is paid for by my family. Sometimes i get sad i haven't accomplished anything myself but then i realize it doesn't matter.

>>10208784
see >>10208178

>>10208784
>>10208350
Why are people so bad at reading

>>10208840
I am so interested in this. You should make youtube videos so I can live vicariously through you. That's something you could claim as your own too.

>>10208202
I have 50k without debt, and I don't feel like I can comfortably buy brand new, only secondhand. That's one medical emergency away from broke in the US, and it's nowhere near the cost of a house in my area.

>>10208869
Oops meant to reply to >>10208334
As far as the actual question, I consider 200k to be "a lot." Or a house +60k.

>>10208334
>>10208343

Serious answer, I guess.

Your emergency funds should cover about 6 months that you'd need to continue living. That would be everything you need to continue -- rental/mortgage, transport/car/gas money, any debt repayments, utilities, food, whatever. That's in case you get laid off, it can take that long to find another (proper, not burger-flipping) job, and it's gonna super suck if you lose your house/car because you didn't count in mortgage payments into your emergency funds (as it is it doesn't even cover medical emergencies if you don't have some kind of health cover).

So, yeah, for those not having their parents cover their expenses, living someplace that isn't cheap, that $3k doesn't go very far, I mean, it's one thing if you can't hit that goal, but that means you're pretty much living on the edge and should think twice about buying a dress that in one go eats up 1/6 of your savings.

If you really want to splurge it on a $500 dress, ideally you should also have all your debts (housing, student) completely paid off, because it's dumb to spend $500 on frilly shit while racking up loan interest to someone else. And also have your 401k maxed out so that you can continue buying frilly shit into your 70s. Though honestly far less people seem to take this part seriously and still buy a few expensive things here and there even without taking care of their retirement funds first.

>>10208869
>>10208872

Oddly enough I'd have thought owning a car or house meant you should have extra funds on top of your emergency funds, to cover maintenance and emergency breakdowns

>>10208031
I reserved the ivory through an ss before realizing it was going to be a different fabric from the original. If you drop an email here I'd be willing to contact you when the ss gets it.

>>10208810
it must be nice being born with a silver spoon up your ass

>>10208943
>don’t buy expensive things while you’re young until you pay for your retirement
>when you’re old and possibly senile is when you can afford to be happy!
???

>>10209042
How poor are you that you think only the senile can afford things? You usually aren’t senile in your 30s and 40s

>>10209052
diff anon, Sadly though, not everyone is financially stable in their 30's. Some are just starting to get a footing at this point. I suspect someone who was lucky enough to finish school and/or got a start on their career before the economic issues in the late 2000's might be further ahead.

Not saying that we shouldn't be concerned with retirement funds, When you reach that age, health and being able to survive is a major concern. You might be blowing through all that money you worked hard for at 20-60+ just to not die of cancer.

Financial responsibility is important. However, you don't want to look back with a feeling that you never had the chance to enjoy something or that it's too late now, because your primary focus was finances. Worse, you end up dying before then. I think it would be worse to have a mind clouded with regret in your final moments rather than living in a less than enjoyable situation at an old age but knowing you did things that brought you joy in your youth, and you lived a good life.

Balance is key here. Live a little, but also be wise. Likewise, if you're 40k in student loan debt, you probably shouldn't have a wardrobe of 50 brand main pieces. But a few second-hand pieces and cheap taobao and maybe a new release peppered in at rare moments wouldn't be unreasonable if you can get your loan paid off. You need to have hobbies and enjoyment too as much thinking forward to your future. There is more to life than survival and your youth when you are in your prime health-wise, shouldn't be spent solely to keep yourself alive in your final years.

>>10209076
Holy shit nobody cares. This reads like you just found out about the basics of saving money and now you parrot it back to everyone to sound smart

>>10209081

Better than anon who thinks people with student debt should never spend it on anything fun ever.

>>10209081
>implying people actually care about proper fiscal responsibility on an internet board entirely based around dressing up like chinese cartoons and wearing strange clothing

Please take your concerns to your local financial advisory and let's talk about expensive dresses.

>>10209107
>>10209076
Wrote a whole blog post about it so?

>>10209081
go post another “urgent sale”, retard

>>10209119
This is some heavy projection.

Why the fuck does everyone care about other people's funds here? Boring.

>>10209136
A lot of people into Jfash (especially egl) have shopping addictions and massive student loan/CC debts. Roleplaying alternates realities on anonymous imageboards (financial crisis never happened, they didn’t choose a liberal arts degree etc) provides catharsis

>>10208147
Dont bulli uwu
Shut the fuck up

>>10208167
Kek enjoy it anon. It’s a great life
My comm is super jealous that I don’t have to work and I get whatever I want while they have to save a shit like rent

>>10208943
I assume the house and major appliances would be insured like my car already is, so I don't see a point in increasing the buffer. Sure, a house +100k would be even better, but I'll be dead before Trump ever trickles down onto me.

>>10209131
Projection is such a huge meme on here

>>10208518
>>10209177
Fake and gay

>>10208518
you can also marry a rich guy duh

>>10209161
IS THIS TRUE!?

>>10209161
IS THIS TRUE!?

>>10208518
Can I have some money

>>10209516
Absolutely. It's basically free real estate for shopping addicts, because they get praised and admired for it.

>>10209420
Imagine being this jealous
It’s true, retard

>>10208097
I'm not them and I've been looking through fril, mercari and lacemarket recently to find something to buy and I haven't found anything I wanted except for that honey cake listing and nameless poem and I didn't buy either because they made both poorly altered.

Like damn, if you're going to use the pockets to make it bigger, at least replace the pockets.

And the nameless poem listing was sad as fuck. They removed the waist ties to replace the collar button with one of the waist tie buttons?? The fuck was the logic there.

>>10208840
It does matter for your mental health.

>>10209081
Typical cgl response to someone who gives well thought out reply.

Too many words for your simple mind, huh?

>>10209042
>>10209076

anon you replied to. Just wanted to clarify, the original question was "what do lolitas consider a lot in the bank for their hobby and living expenses to spare". And all I did was describe what I considered "a lot", plus keep in mind the dress that started this all was a $500 secondhand dress, it's not like we're talking a $50 taobao splurge.

As for the "young but poor" vs "ugly-old but able to afford nice things" -- that's just reality, unfortunately. It would be nice if could re-roll our family stats and end up like that anon who says she receives $50k from her family and spends it all, but it is what is.

If the retirement thing really bothers you, sit down and calculate how much you'd need to retire at 60 (common retirement age): the amount you need is what's enough to cover your living expenses for another 20-30 years (average life expectancy of ~80+ years). Don't make this number too low, sure you'll eat out less because chances are half your friends will be dead but you'll need to pay more for your vitamins and doctor's visits so you also don't end up dead either.

Then figure out how much of your paycheck should go into your retirement funds to hit this goal. Do the same for your outstanding debts. So long as you can hit these goals by the time you retire at 60, feel free to spend the rest. There, now you feel better spending your money, knowing you have your debts/retirement also squared away.


>>10209337

You make a good point, but the number of girls I've seen baww about being broke because of their cars breaking down seems to suggest otherwise. Oh well.

>>10208869
>>10209668

Thank god someone else feels this way, because even though I have a government job with solid benefits and retirement plans, I can't ever justify buying new burando, just secondhand. I also have money going elsewhere to support family members, grad school, house savings, etc., so I try to buy used nonessentials whenever I can (and I tell myself I'm saving the environment to make myself feel better lmao).

But apparently I'm a poorfag loser because I don't buy new and have savings, so idk.

>>10208518
Can this "im a lolita with rich parents" roleplay please end? no? ok

Since this is now a finance thread, how much do you all make and how much do you spend on lolita?

>>10209810
I make 1500 euro a month after taxes and I spent around 400 euro on lolita this year so far. Once you have a functional wardrobe I don't see why you would keep spending much money on it.

>>10209810
I make around $3200/mo. after taxes, insurance, and contributions are taken out. Like >>10209812, I don't spend much on lolita anymore since my wardrobe is fine as is. Probably averages to around $100 every few months.

>>10209810
I make $53k/yr before taxes. I started in May and bought about 6 items secondhand (blouses and skirts) for ~$50 ea. I still need to get a petti, shoes, socks, a head acc, and - for jewelry - at least a bracelet before I have a wearable coord. It's adding up, but hopefully I can pump the brakes after that.

>>10209810
I make 56k/yr, about $4000/month after taxes. I only buy indie brands or very cheap secondhand brand, so I don't spend much at all. While I could theoretically spend a lot more on lolita, I have various other hobbies too and I genuinely like indie brand stuff, so no need.

>>10209810
Last year I made 98k and some change. Sounds like a lot but I have a mortgage, a luxury car, student loans, multiple retirement and savings accounts and credit cards though, so it's not as much spending money as you'd think. I average about 200/month on lolita when I factor in that some months I don't buy lolita at all and some I buy a shit ton. Still too high so I'm actively not shopping as much.

>>10209919
Damn are you a professional something? That’s great pay

>>10209810
I make about 24k usd annually and probably spend about 100-200 a month on lolita depending on any given month

>>10209761
Cry more poorfag

>>10210064
Don’t actual megarich people have better things to do than post on 4chan? You’re fake and gay

>>10210069
The fuck? Believe it or not, we too enjoy using the internet.

>>10208518
>>10210064
If you don't have proof, then leave.

>>10210088
Lmao so you can identify me or my family? No thanks, poorfag. Go to your job or something.

>>10210083
Don’t you have and endless amount of fun things to be doing?
>>10210112
Regardless if you do, I actually know who you are and I will expose your posts here to your comm if you don’t send me 20k.

Someone bought that honey cake btw. Lmao

>>10209810
95k and maybe 500 a month. A small percentage of my paycheck goes directly into 401k. I'm married so I put half my paycheck in a joint account for my husband to invest or pay on our mortgage. I have no loans or car debt. The other half, I pay the other monthly bills and the rest is free game. I manage to save money without intending to. I really don't have to worry about money because my husband also contributes to our daily expenses.
I'm slowing down on my buying lately though. I don't have any more wardrobe gaps to fill.

>>10210149
>expose your posts here to your comm if you don’t send me 20k.
suuuuuurrrre

>>10210149
Lmfao nice try

>>10210253
What jobs do you people have?

>>10208107
finally I can complain about kittycarousel. Her prices are ridiculous

>>10209688


As usual, obnoxious people spoiled it:

- people who ask for opinions on Amazon/Aliexpress, get told it looks bad, throw a hissy fit and call everyone brandwhores.
- crappy “loliables”
- poorfags trying to insist their cheap stuff is on par with burando, then it turns out they were talking out their ass. There’s nothing wrong with buying cheap, but it’s another thing to insist reality needs to bend around you so that you can be a smug hot shit.
- replicachans. It’s stupid to ask why a replica doesn’t get the same admiration as the real thing, but then:
- demanding official brand tea parties shouldn’t “discriminate” against poorfags.
- Newbies crying scalper. One time Aypee just released some bloodbath print, immediately a newbie insists that anyone who isn’t selling this brand new popular dress at 20% off is a scalper.
- Holy Lantern re-release still being mailed out, newbies were again demanding to know where all the discount HL were. Cue having to explain people don’t just pay full price then sell them at half price the instant they arrive, wtf is this logic and why do newbies believe this?
- This one really obnoxious budgetlita years back. Ironically a brandwhore, advocated buying unpopular brand. Nothing wrong with this, but when someone replied that her DD was just expensive — budgetlita’s response is to spam the thread with cheap ugly dresses. Continued to spam ugly dresses in different threads and then posted a collage of ugly dresses in the wardrobe thread while emphasising they were cheap; no one else mentioned cost.

I think cgl was pretty chill about budget lolita up until this last anon, but lbr, there’s a lot of stupid whining from people who can’t afford things, so I’m not really surprised we have a kneejerk response now.

>>10210287
They don't. They're larping

>>10210289
She's still used to reselling when no one knew about proper second hand sources. 00's Rainies if you will.

>>10208019
I hate this bitch, she's a fat fuck who buys dresses she can't fit into and resells them for a profit.

I'm putting her in my "never to buy from" list.

>>10210287
I'm in STEM.

I just started selling on LM a little while ago and there are huge advantatages and disadvantages to using it over other sites like eBay. The biggest advantage is it's more likely you and the buyer "get" each other and are on the level in many ways because you share the same subculture... The greatest disadvantage is it seems like LM users expect not to go about the process in the typical way that you would on other platforms.

Things I wish people would stop doing on LM;
>Pricing things without more of the fees built in
I try to estimate what the paypal and shipping rate will most likely be and build that into the price. I hate buying something and then I get billed separately for the paypal fee, the shipping and then sometimes a third fee for "extra shipping" because they ended up spending more then expected.

>Ask for a discount on an item with less then $10 profit built into the price
I get it; it never hurts to ask. But if I'm shipping something really heavy and weird shape and it's below $30 to begin with, please understand that discounts might flat-out elimpinate any profit. If something is over $100, yes; ask about discounts. If it's 30-40 USD and is the size of a book or larger it's probably rude at that point.

>>10210429
This totally reasonable pay if you live in an overpriced city. My programmer friend makes around 60k in the south but was looking at similar jobs on the coast that pay 100k because the cost of living is also much higher.

>>10210520
>expecting larpers to understand cost of living differences

>>10210519
Dude it’s against LM and PayPals TOS to charge for PayPal fees

>>10209926
Yea. I work in tech.

>>10210537
Seriously, I don't understand why people keep letting sellers get away with this. It's a cost of doing business so it's the sellers responsibility. If someone does this to you report them.

>>10210287
Software engineer. If you've got 5+ years under your belt, a traditional CS degree (not that coding school shit), and actually do good work and work hard, companies will pay you good money.

>>10210547 >>10210537
I have confronted people more then once on this and the argument is that they can't do math in advantage basically and see fees / excess S&H as "unfair" because it cuts into their profit... Because they did not do the math to price the item with the fees in mind. It's a backwards method of doing it; they are asking you to commit to buy first and then afterwards, as part of the process of shipping it out to you, actually run the numbers to figure out what the final amount they are going to charge is... And like I said, for me this has come in the form of multiple smaller charges after the initial payment. Luckily no has yet tried to apply the common SS travel fee yet, but I would not be surprised if that eventually happens.

I'd like to add two more things though; I don't believe the sloppy math is any kind of a sign anyone has malicious intent. I think it's all shades of incompetence. So while I'd love to beat them over the head with it enough that it stops, I don't bring this up because I think anyone intends to cheat anyone.
second; Another conflict of TOS seems to be with returns; paypal lets you return anything or at least try to. LM asks that you respect a seller stating they don't take returns. Technically, you should know as a buyer, you can break LM's stance and get a refund with return from paypal but that at that point you are risking getting banned from LM.

>>10210537
I’ve confronted a seller and then they ghosted me after they were called out kek

>>10210537
nobody knows if you just factor it into the price. Nothing says you can't factor in how much the fees are going to be so you get the amount of money you want for it.

you just can't expressly charge someone for the fees or charge them separately for them.

if i want a 100 dollars for something and paypay takes 3 bucks of that, nothing says i can't just bump the items cost up to 105 to cover the fees but i can't charge someone an extra 5 bucks to cover the fees themselves.

>>10210550
How many trannies do you work with? Actual question

>>10209810
have combined income of 130k currently. about 170k after graduating and am established in my career. my husband is the financially savvy one of us so we own a nice home, luxury car, 2nd car, no student loans, have 401k, stock investments, diverse credit pool and great scores etc. only about 16k of our income is from me but goes into savings. about $400-$600 a month he’s budgeted for my own personal spending on lolita, hair, makeup etc out of our combined income. I don’t often end up spending that though bc it sorta makes me feel I’m too impulsive or not in control of my spending.

>>10210636
Exactly. This is a point I didn't make, but I'm fine with; Price things however you want; just please stop nickle and diming your customer after they've already bought the item. If you can't factor in a guess at the shipping and handling internationally, that is understandable... But I'm just tired of having to guess at how much money I'll need to leave as a buffer for what additional charges may or may not come up after sale.

>>10210555
Charging a buyer a fee that you are supposed to pay as a seller because it's "unfair" is definitely cheating.

>>10210687
In a perfect world "cheating" would be recognized and discouraged, but that seems to have not happened yet. Again I've been told; "oh I didn't realize how it would add up" and the such. On LM people are Lolitas first and buyer/sellers second. It gives everyone a good sense of relatability but it also seems to foster a huge about of forgiveness for doing things like not combining/calculating costs into prices.

>>10210520
I get that. But that doesn't prove that anons claiming high amounts of pay in this thread are telling the truth.

Take this anecdotal bullshit with a grain of salt.

> Came here for scalper drama. Instead everyone arguing about bank accounts.

>>10210654
I work for a different fortune 5, and a sizable lot.

>>10210520
They should move to the north. My cost of living is cheap and I'm at 95. I could make more if I worked for a larger company too.

>>10210654
None at my current job. There was one at my last job though and she sucked shit.

>>10210677
whew if we are including combined incomes, my measly $50k went up a whole lot

>>10210677

>about $400-$600 a month he’s budgeted for my own personal spending on lolita, hair, makeup etc

I'm so glad I have a job so I don't get budgets from my boyfriend.

>>10210654

actual question as well- why the question? is this now a stereotype? and what kind of trannies?

>>10211079
It's a common thing where I live - its because tech companies usually have a more progressive work culture.

>what kind of trannies?
Ha wut
There are different kinds??

>>10211122
Maybe they are referring to TiFs and genderspecials?

>>10211122

I meant does it skew more ftm or mtf?

Honestly I heard the opposite about techie culture (metoo, women being shafted, etc) but I'm not in the industry so I'm extremely behind. Thanks for the clarification

>>10211127
More corporate = more diversity hires (for better and worse)
Private industry/small shops are still male dominated.

>>10211079
>>10211127
First of all
>TiM being women facing discrimination women face
Buuuuuuuut I won’t go further
And second of all you haven’t noticed how many TiMs have CS degrees? Especially weeby ones.

>>10211135

Dang, that's a pity.

>>10211139
Literally read >>10211127 again, all my friends somehow didn't end up in it except one, and my gut feeling is telling me her 80% female residency group isn't the norm.

>>10211122
it's not because they have a "more progressive work culture". there are just downright more MTFs who are antisocial nerds that get into videogames and tech as a field than any other field. i have no idea why so many of them join the career, but during the years they would've had to studied it, there certainly wasn't this open acceptance of transwomen

>>10211146
male gamers are some of the most entitled people out there so it makes sense that they would channel their incel rage into invading women's spaces and attempting to skinwalk as them

>>10211146

I'm guessing because some of them have the same mentality as japanese male losers who think being a woman is somehow life on easy mode.

>>10208943
imagine having this kind of stability, can't fuckin relate man.

>>10211077
I have a job, too and it’s a good thing that my husband helps me budget. I’m not good with money. I ask him to do this for me. That’s part of what partnership within a marriage is.

>>10210520
I feel like 60k for any respectable software engineer is low. I know someone who went from 80k in a low cost of living area, to 150k in a high cost area. Adding in all benefits and bonuses he makes well over 200k a year. It makes my head spin.

Honestly my goal for myself is 55k. I just want to be moderately happy.

>>10211278
You should still try to learn how to budget and control spending, anon, because nothing is forever. Partnerships can end, and no one is obliged to hold your hand for the rest of your life. Seriously, for the sake of your mental health, take an online money management class so you can be a bit more self reliant.

>>10211283
If it makes you feel better, studies show that maximum happiness from monetary gain in the US caps out at 120k. Meaning, anyone richer then that may live a very different lifestyle from people earning less, but they aren't technically happier because of their income at that point.

>>10210733
I think the intellectual journey goes; whine about scammers, start to break down what makes a scammer, end up alternating between a discussion on sales practices and budgeting for Lolita.

>>10211283
Haha but that's the thing - I'm not respectable. Most of the people in our development department don't even have degrees in the field. Your point is why I find >>10210732's skepticism of salaries under 100k so laughable. I understand being skeptical of the trust fund kid stories, but the rest of the salaries listed here aren't notable enough to be wary of.

>>10211472
Though desu degree =/= respectable it's what you do during your career

>>10209810
I make 24k€ and my bf 40k€ which is not too bad for a Europoor young couple.

Spendings on lolita a year about 500€ (1-2 dresses), but I'm planning to cut it down to 0 eventually because I feel like my wardrobe is pretty much complete at this point and I don't need anything new nor do i have any DDs left.

We are currently debt-free and have about 100k in savings, so we are actually ready to get a credit for a house and settle down. Feelsgoodman.jpg

>>10211478

This. My friend works at Google despite not having a degree precisely because of what she did. Granted Google is a bit of a shitty place, but they do respect that not everything needs a fancy diploma.

>>10211509
How is Google shitty? Working at a place line that is ten hops and fifty skips away from my situation. I know two people who work there and I've been all over the campuses and inside holiday parties. I feel like people like to take a dump on Goigle just because it's big and others are jealous at just how cushy it is.

>>10211542
Working conditions at companies like Google, Facebook, and Amazon are not that great unless you're high up. I've done some work in an ancillary way for one of those companies and it sucks.

>>10211146
I only said that because I work at a tech company and a few of my friends do too. Where I work there are actually way more FtM than MtF.

>>10211478
Well yeah nothing is absolute like that, but if your fairy godmother offered to grant you a degree instantly at no cost you wouldn't say no. It's obviously a bonus.

>>10211543
I'm probably just biased and salty because I have been under-employed since I graduated with my degree and even being able to work in an office instead of a service industry is like heaven, so whenever I hear people complaining about working for a fortune 500 company I don't get it. I always feel like those companies should hire people like me who would actually appreciate it and not people who've ways had others kissing their asses. Like, my employer wouldn't pay me for jury duty or for participating in a walk out during company time. Google does tiny things like that which make it so much more friendly than any employer I've ever worked for.

>>10211945
the trade off is the expectation of 60+ hour work weeks and being available on several of those generous holidays rather than actually having them off. you think it sounds ungrateful but these companies entice people to stay with their benefits you barely get to make use of and competitive pay eaten alive by the bay area while they grind you into dust.

>>10208019
Ugh this bitch bought the Elizabeth OP set and resold it for a USD125 profit.
I hate scalpers so fucking much.

>>10211993
Nayrt but I looked her up and she's as disgusting as her behaviour.
Sorry for your loss anon, hope you find it at a reasonable price the next time.

>>10211408
I actually do work on exactly that but that doesn’t mean I can’t have my partner help me in my struggles. I’m a human being with things I’m working on just like you are, so please quit acting like you know the ins and outs of my life based on such little information and worry more about what you should be working on with yourself.

>>10212001
lol, why is it always the fatties

>>10212089

Because they can't wear it themselves and want to make it worse for all of us.

>>10212001
I think I sat behind this creature at Paradiso.

>>10211993
>>10212001
I don’t understand why she even bought the damn set in the first place knowing full well she wouldn’t be able to fit it. I could understand doing a price increase if she got the dress professionally altered to fit larger people because I’m sure hams would jump at the chance of a prized piece like the Elizabeth OP. But this person in particular might just have some kind of mental disorder where she thinks owning rare items makes her a better lolita.
>never forget she increased the price of something once owned by MF

>>10211980

This. There's no work life balance. They expect you to be coding in your free time and the reason why they lay out so many snacks and drinks are to encourage that. Fuck that. I also have leakage of work into my personal life, but if I get everything done on Friday, weekends in lolita are my absolute wind down to get energized for the next week. Life is too short to be working all the time or to be breathing work. Some people are into it, but I'm so happy I found a job where people believe in this work life balance.

>>10212172
>>10211980

This is interesting to me and I want to know if this is all around at Google/bay area tech or just specific job titles. The people I know at Google get to take off and go in whenever they want. I've never heard of anyone getting called in on a big holiday like Thanksgiving. They are all SEs though.
However, I can see the expectation of a 60 hour work week because everyone is biting each other's heels trying to get a promotion. But, I always thought the work-life balance was better than most companies because you can literally go in whenever you want (unless there is a meeting). Like I've had my friend drop what they were doing to take me to the doctor when I couldn't drive, and it was no big deal. He can push his schedule around however he wants and no one bats an eye.

I still can't get over how much is supplied though. Meals. Snacks. Game rooms with pool and DDR. I've always been the kind of person who works myself to death anyways, so I wouldn't mind this environment. I'd probably finally feel paid what I'm worth. Instead I sit here looking at what I make in a year and cringe at knowing it's literally what my friend would get as a yearly bonus. My whole salary... is his bonus.

>>10212108
She bought it to scalp it, clearly.

Hope this hambeast gets run out of comms one day.

>>10212210
Then work for a tech company that gives you all that that isn't Google /Amazon/etc. They've set the standards and most companies operate this way. My husband gets the same benefits at a startup in the midwest.

>>10211945
Be Indian

No. Seriously. The Hindi connect is insane here.

>>10212210

We used to have a really nice massage chair and gym facilities where I worked, but I literally could not use it the three years I was there because I was working 80 hour weeks. Just because something is there doesn't mean shit if they want you working insane hours.

>>10212531
I'm female and white. I've actually started to think people avoid hiring someone like me here. I've had way too many bad interactions with Indian and Asian populated departments.

>>10212531
or chinese

>>10212210
>Instead I sit here looking at what I make in a year and cringe at knowing it's literally what my friend would get as a yearly bonus. My whole salary... is his bonus.

What's his bonus? Jesus christ.

>>10209810
Bitcoin, I've never lost on it, only missed out on some opportunities

>>10208157
My 37-year-old normie sister just foound out what 'incels' are and this is exactly the kind of post that I'd expect her to make on 4chan. Lol.

>>10220012
>>10220012
Accurate, but also accurate for 13 yr old intellectuals very new to internet bantz. Weird horseshoe shape with 4chan-acclimated 20-30 yr old people in the middle and with these retards at each end lol

>>10220095
What is a bell curve? Even here in weirdo land, there is a weirdo norm.

>>10211993
If it sold then I guess there's a market for it at that price. Just because someone buys things at a lower price and resells, doesn't mean they scalped. I'm assuming she likes the print, found it at a good deal, took the chance to buy it to see if it could be reasonably altered, found out it can't be so resold it. This is way more common than you think.

>>10209810
I'm a student and so i only work full times on weekends and make around £425 a month. I only buy brand when i have time to do over time at work. I'm on my last year of uni and after december i plan to spend nothing on brand until i get a full time job since i want to buy a car. i'd say I've spent about 2k on brand this year. I'm sort of ashamed, but at the same time i have a shit ton of savings and a wardrobe that's near completion bar accessories, so i'm good on buying lolita for now anyway.

>>10209761
Different anon but I am a lolita with rich parents, and we are not that uncommon.

>>10220165
I’m glad that most of the younger lolitas have well-off parents, if they didn’t I’d be seriously judging their life choices. I want to start to start having kids in a couple years and if any of them want to get into lolita fashion I would totally help pay for it. So much better to encourage independent thinking and having the courage to stand out and be different vs all the teen/college kids I see who wear nothing but plain leggings and sweatshirts and don’t have the courage to stand out. Dressing in lolita has definitely made me a better dresser overall and really helped hone my artistic eye for things like proportion, color balance, etc in my life in general.
And I wouldn’t feel bad about spending money on my future kids on fashion. I’m well off myself now (because I got a rad job) and that’s why I can afford it but before that I had more affordable hobbies. I also think anyone who is not well off and participates in this hobby is making a huge mistake. Buying expensive dresses is retarded if you don’t have things like a 401k or other retirement savings and an emergency fund that could support you for 3-6 months. Too bad if you really want to, life ain’t fair and you’re stupid. There are other alternative fashions that are cheaper. I’d love to do a lot of things I can’t afford to do like have a boat but I don’t because it’s financially imprudent. I’m so sick of hearing people bitch about the cost of this hobby and buying shit-tier taobao and then getting offended that people in a luxury fashion hobby think they look terrible. I wouldn’t go to New York fashion week in Target clothes and then tell everyone they’re elitist for not liking my outfit, so poorfags can fuck off.

>>10220101
>liked the print
Outed yourself, newfag.
Elizabeth OP isn't even a printed dress, and there's no way to alter it so her lardass could fit it. Don't make excuses for a fucking scalper.

>>10220197
How are poorfags supposed to magically get money to buy dresses and be happy? I’m a big bootstrap believer but moving wealth classes can take years and let’s face it, some styles just look better on younger people. I think if they can coord taobao or Bodyline well there isn’t a problem. They aren’t inherently ita. At least that’s what I read when I see gulls ripping on the lolita-curious for wanting to start but arent in a good financial to lol. There’s no reason why someone who has their bills taken care should have to climb til they have $800 pocket money a month to wear it.

>>10220301
I thought it was Elizabeth Bride of Death. That is a print and yes probably could be altered enough to fit a fatty via the waist ties. I don’t follow this kind of drama because I don’t get butthurt is someone is pricing their dress ‘too high’, I simply move on and don’t buy it.
But same basic argument still stands, if it was a hugely unfair and so scalped price for something, why did it sell instead of just sit there for ages ? Because someone wanted it enough to justify the price. No one is stopping you crybabies from chasing the same deals you accuse these horrible scalpers of getting. They don’t have secret sources that aren’t also available to the general community. This just always sounds like such sour grapes because most people are too slow and stupid to snap up the best deals.
Grimoire and similar resale shops in Japan send buyers on trips west to scoop huge hauls of vintage deals and they mark them up to charge some staggering prices in their shops . Because ‘buy low and sell higher’ has been the way of business since forever. Everyone who buys and sells anything does this. Cry more.

>>10220315
>Elizabeth bride of death OP
>that print doesn't even have an OP
Sorry you can't afford brand newfag, so I guess this discussion doesn't affect you.
Buying vintage isn't the same as scalping burando but go off.
Also Tl;dr, holy shit get a life. I hope someone scalps all your dream dresses bitch. Oh wait they're probably shitty taobao pieces that nobody wants anyways.

>>10220313
The point is they shouldn’t. It’s stupid and incredibly financially irresponsible to spend $600 on a coord when they don’t have savings and retirement plans. They should admit that some hobbies and activities are for the well off.

>>10220197
>>10220313
>>10220652
Part of the problem is that 50% or more of the western people into lolita are poorfag pretend princess types and aren't just buying it with disposable income, many of them have crippling college loan debt, are working shit jobs that aren't even in their fields but still they build their wardrobes and blow money on travel, cons and expensive con hotels, meets, fandom junk, eating out, all with a treat yo’self mentality, which just keeps them in debt longterm. It's all just a front.

(And cry for Bernie to relieve their debt via taxing others. But that another kettle of off-topic fish.)

>>10220775
lol i feel like this post hits a certain group of lolitas pretty hard (aka the group of frumpyass white women who blow all their money to "model" for brands from con to con and pretend they're bougie when they're worth literally nothing)

most lolitas are fat, embarrassing larpers with shitty wardrobes and zero taste and i hate it