/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

In what style do you all dress when not in lolita? If you're a lifestyler, what style do you resort to for occasions/work where lolita isn't the most appropriate?

>>10198286

When not in lolita, I'm pretty normie. Think jeans, basic shirts, basic skirts. I've been inching towards being a lifestyler lately, but I haven't collected all the pieces I want to make that happen. When I wear lolita to work I usually go for simple, non-garish patterns like polka dots, tartan, gingham, and non-patterned pieces. My preferred colors (brown, navy, black, ivory) are already normie-approved, so I don't really stand out too much. I also don't wear petticoats to work. I'm too chicken shit because my boss is a jOkEy GuY and I don't want the attention.

>>10198286
Goth or strega. Dark mori in winter because cosy and comfy. Thriftish Grimoire anytime. WhAt about you?

Why would you start the general with a photo of a man anon? Really?

>>10198281
something cute/girly, close to larme style I guess
and then I dress in my darkest lolita dress full of crosses/deadly motifs

>>10198305
He probably looks better than half of the women posted on this board. Who cares?

>>10198305
Because he's not a tranny and he styled himself.

>>10198305
Shut up.

>>10198286
Axes Femme or pastel Listen Flavor if I'm feeling lazy. I basically don't have a normie wardrobe at this point which is a bit annoying as I don't know what clothes to take on an upcoming hiking trip.

>>10198303
It usually depends on the occasion. I work from home so more often than not when I do go out, it's to bars/nightlife and I tend to go with tights skirts/tops and other pretty normie bar outfits. if I do go out and about during the day (and I'm not wearing lolita), I'll try to wear stuff like Milk and Liz Lisa.

>>10198307
That's pretty surprising. Are you only a goth lolita or do you also wear sweet?

>>10198298
I'm sure a petti without too much poof will look fine! Fuck him, live your best life.

>>10198286
I'm painfully normie. Just a plan shirt and jeans. I wish to hopefully find something better that suits me.

>>10198316
Oof, I feel like hiking clothes are things even normie have to go out of their comfort zone to hike for (depending on the hike). I know when I picked it up, I didn't have anything that would wick away sweat and be long enough to protect my legs from plants.

I'd buy pink hiking gear in an instant, although I'm not sure how bugs would react to that.

>>10198322
Holy shit, the errors. I meant to say:

even *normies have to go out of their comfort zone to *look for

>>10198319
I wore my fluffiest MeLikesTea petticoat to work once when he was on a business trip and I did indeed live my best life. I ordered an A-line petti so hopefully it will go unnoticed.

>>10198321
Whatever you like in Lolita you could try to transfer over to your day to day. Emily Temple Cute and Liz Lisa make a lot of cute casual wear.

>>10198286
I wear normie clothes outside of lolita. I’m just a painfully boring person and aside from lolita I don’t have any hobbies.

new thread. i'm tired of sissy wankbait >>10198339

>>10198340
Why are you so obsessed with gatekeeping men out of the fashion?

>>10198342
guys are disgusting horsefaces in lolita. when clothes are considered women's fashion, they're for women to wear, not men. you're probably Funk Bros

>>10198340
>mana
>sissy

Just ignore and report please, I don't have enough mana pics to spam the other thread too.

Ya'll know its bait but you replyin anyway

>>10198355
You should have taken your own advice from the beginning

>>10198350
Sissy is a very specific kink. Any man wearing lolita isn't immediately a sissy. You sound like a toddler.

>>10198319
Only goth, also really dislike sweet lolita (personal opinion, no harm intended). I used to dress just cute but since I become a goth lolita, my normie/casual style became even more... Girly(?) I guess

>>10197806
Does oxyclean work on make up stains?

>>10198342
The man repeatedly doing this behaviour in the general isn't just a brolita interested in the fashion. He's a sissy

There is nothing wrong with having the fetishes that sissies do. What consenting adults do together is no one's business at all!

BUT... there's a big problem when they invade a space that is NOT friendly to their fetish and just act the fetish out with non-consenting people. And that's what is happening here and this is what people are upset about.

>>10198340
This is clearly the OP of the original failed general who is so bitter that they are constantly starting shit about it and posting those ABC-Z photos everywhere. They're baiting, just report and ignore.

>>10198360
Interesting, why do you hate sweet lolita but enjoy dressing girly otherwise? What particular elements don't you like?

>>10198359
u serious? im a 24-yo, strong independent single adult woman. i have a stable full-time job in a growing profession. i enjoy wearing lolita fashion on the weekends. i have close to 30 dresses in my closets and all my coords are fantastic. most of dresses are pink and sometimes people ask me if im a trad fem??? i am not. while i am a fem, i know that men aren't supposed to be in fem spaces. lolita fashion is fem space so no men are to be allowed. men don't understand lolita fashion so pls shut about your feminism. hear me out: men aren't supposed to wear lolita fashion. i'll call you out the next time you're supporting men in the fashion on rufflechat!!!!

>>10198371
Cry some more. This subfashion isn't owned by anyone, and therefore anyone can participate. Don't like it? Go be a lonelita and get off the internet.

>>10198371
obvious transfag LARPer trying to play the "hysterical woman" is obvious

>>10198371
If this sissy shit keeps up in lolita fashion (and it's only gonna get worse, just like RL men demanding access to women spaces) we really are going to need a vetted women-only online group somewhere, I can see it coming.

>>10198380
This. It doesn't even make sense anymore.

>>10198382
Are all gender critical rad fems this histrionic?

>>10198365
I'd like to know that too, I only have mixed experiences with year old dry stains.

>>10198385
just the ones who are trannies pretending to be "unreasonable radfems".

man i just want to talk about EGL

>>10198385
No one cares, not lolita related.

What are everyone's favorite themes? I really like instruments, bears, and stars personally

What do you gulls think of this dress? On the fence about buying it

>>10198397
P obsessed with crowns. When im hunting, I gravitate towards berries and sweets even though the themes and colorways do not suit me at all

>>10198399
Depends on its price. It’s a good dress for padding a closet with lots of potential. It can be dressed up or dressed down depending on what the occasion is. I have it in two colors and find I use them a lot when I don’t exactly want to plan out a whole themed coord and is good for this really impromptu outings you do with your friends.

>>10198397
Stained glass is my weakness. And black with gold color ways.

>>10198407
Thanks anon. Being a lifestyler is my goal desu. I like that I can pair it with my ivory/peach blouses to give it a refreshing spring vibe. I wonder how I could transition this dress into fall/winter?

>>10198409
Turtle neck like this is what I have done. I also went with light tan boots, purse and hat and had a fawn fur ( false) to use if it was a little too cold.

>>10198414
Dropped pic

>>10198397
muthafuckin berries, whipped cream, rabbits, and bears! i have a love/hate relationship with chocolate prints, it really depends.

Anyone have any "normie" brands that's their go-to for use in lolita? Not necessarily for dresses or pettis, but accessories/blouses/shoes/other? I'm sure goths have a ton but I'm curious about sweet/classic lolitas in particular.

>>10198420
Is Q-pot technically normie? How often do people in Japan wear it outside of j-fash? Their prices and wide variety of items has me thinking it must be widespread.

I saw my first ever wild lolita! It was at the mall. I was wearing a simple leur getter coordinate and she was full out in Angelic Pretty and everything. I'm really happy and glad i met her.

>>10198420
Sock dreams for socks, Charming Charly for jewelry, black craft when I want to do that witchy spoopy thing and flugvogz Sometimes I’ll find workable things from target like tights or something. Mainly just jewlery, accessories and smaller notions.

>>10198420
I like to wear band shirts that fit well with my more casual cords. I think if you do it right, it can be very cute and comfortable!

>>10198286
i wear goth and athleisure, black and grey only. some of my pieces border embarrassingly close to techwear. i’m almost exclusively gothic in lolita as well? painfully edgy wardrobe desu

>>10198286
Billowy-hobo-casual-with-some-mori-lace-why-not. The weird thing is the longer I've been wearing Lolita, the more coordinating logic has affected my daily normie wear. I've learned how having a collection of lo-poof vintage petticoats can make a regular circle skirt a bit more sharp looking and that coordinating colors evenly across my entire outfit really pulls everything together. In the end, I think Lolita fashion taught me how to dress better outside of Lolita.

>>10198390
I'm starting to think this is part of the summer break thing.

>>10198420
April Cornell white/cream blouses when they are on sale. She swings between making blouses more along the lines of 1950s to 1880s just depending on the season. High quality but really expensive before getting tossed in the discount section of her website.

>>10198461
Just own it! You seem self aware and if you like that fashion, rock it! Sounds very cute to me.

>>10198446
Band tees
Cord

Get out Summer.

>>10198286
I dress pretty feminine all the time. Always dresses and skirts, with lots of cute graphic tees.

>>10198397
Fairytale motifs. But ironically I hate pastels/bright colors, so I live for the rare classic fairytale prints in dark colors.

>>10198464
aww, thanks anon. my tastes basically haven’t changed since i was 14, but i like to think i’ve at least refined them a little. life’s too short to hate how you dress

Blessed mods deleted the cursed general thread. Praise mana.

>>10198475
Looks like they are just going to keep the first general thread made after the old one reaches bump limit. So we will have to make the best of it to reclaim our general.

Don't reply to the sissy. Here are some clues:
The sissy doesn't know jack about sewing or details like button plackets, etc. He posts the unusually folksy conversation starters we are seeing recently so that he can reply with some ’advice’ or ’encouragement’ and then says something about himself right after or has a very ’me too’ type of reply. He uses a somewhat archaic typing style, with too many descriptive adjectives and puts unusual things in quotes.

He gets off on any attention or opportunity to be ’one of the gals’, except he's not. Not is he just a brolita who is innocently interested in the fashion. He's reaping his sexual satisfaction off of the responses here, make no mistake.

>>10198397
Roses and birds for me. I love the embellished roses and rose lace in my oldschool pieces

>>10198478
That's a somewhat weird way to describe FunkBrothers.

>>10198486
I don't think it's them, though they are somewhat problematic, I agree. This is an older man. The word choices really reek of ’How do you do, fellow kids (lolitas)’. Quite creepy, I'm a bit unnerved tbqh.

So since this issue has come up, maybe just address it? what does your comm do about guys in your comm? Any creepy troon stories, tales of eternally smelly brolitas with ratty wigs and bad shoes? Has a sissy ever tried to join your comm or attend a meet? How did your comm deal?

What are our actual options these days with many mods being so wimpy and just letting nearly anyone join? Any private meets to avoid these unsavoury types? Is that what it will eventually come too? Secret invitation only meets?

>>10198286
I wear what is probably best described as '50s patterns but made from 70s (and modern avant-garde) prints'. And plain business casual.
This is probably the reason I mostly go for solids in lolita, my taste in prints is wildly different from the majority of what's out there.

>>10198420
Novesa has some good blouses - but not online, all the good stuff is in-store only.

>>10198397
Chocolate, polka dots, and cosmetics! Anything that looks fun and happy, really

We're going through these threads quicker than usual...

>>10198286
During work I dress mostly normal (a ton of Uniqlo ever since a branch opened up nearby). I don’t wear jeans or pants anymore to work, not because of a dress code, but because I got used to the cotton tights from Sock Dreams and jeans began to feel constricting. Once every two weeks I wear a retro dress to work, and my coworkers go nuts over the prints, they love the colors so much. Somehow I’m more print-crazy with the retro dresses than with lolita.

My casual clothing ranges between boho, relaxed goth, and otome.

It all sounds disorganized, which it is to a certain extent. But once I started getting picky with colors it got a whole lot easier to mix-and-match pieces.

>>10198496
I live in a pretty small and very conservative town, not tiny but no metro area either.
A cross dressing guy who says he's ’a brolita’ joined our comm, the mod let him. I think she did not know what to say? We went to a meet at the movies and he looked terrible, a cheap lace monster dress, a long, really tangled wig, wearing trainers. He hardly spoke but I was appalled. I have not gone to a meet since then. I'm embarrassed to be seen with him.

new chapter is done

Kitai Fuku Ga Aru by Taketora Tsuneki

Chapter 4 - The Struggling Swan
https://imgur.com/a/f7bAJzm

Chapter 3 - Unfulfilled Dreams
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Chapter 2 - Exit the Net Cafe
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Chapter 1 - I want to be myself
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>>10198553
>https://imgur.com/a/f7bAJzm
thank you so much anon! I've been looking forward to these :)

>>10198553

Ahhh thank you for your hard work!

>>10198553
Hell yes! I'll read it immediately. Thank you anon!

>>10198478
Yup, he went and ruined the memes thread by inserting his own humiliation as a meme. Getting off to it for sure.

>>10198286
I dress like a rock n roll peg bundy. Big hair, spandex pants, off the shoulder band shirts cinched in with a belt, sweet high heel rocker boots, etc. and blue eye shadow for days

>>10198553
Chapter three.. I got the same reactions when I cut my bangs myself the first time!

>>10198572
I've been considering it for a while now but I'm afraid about having to grow it out if it doesn't suit me. How do you manage the upkeep? I've never had bangs in my life but my hair grows quickly and I'm sure bangs get greasy faster than the rest of your hair as well. Do you cut them yourself?

>>10198496
Direct them to lolita help groups, just like with women who can’t answer basic questions. We don’t need our comm clogged with people who just want to spectate on online photos, and wait for others to hand-hold them through Lacemarket.

How much do lolitas irl care about replicas? I've never seen a comm ban wearing them or anything, but do girls start sperging about it in person like they do online if someone is wearing one?

>>10198593
If I met someone wearing a replica in real life, I might have some opinions I'd keep to myself but I'd never SHUN the person or anything. My issue with them has to do with concerns about the health of the brands outside of Japan, but any one individual is not responsible for that so I wouldn't project it onto them.

>>10198522
I don't blame you for feeling that way... But the hard thing is confronting this person without being able to sight a behavioral problem. Maybe if he's making enough people feel that way you can make the argument that a comm is suppose to serve the greater whole? And that, if everyone isn't having fun that defeats the purpose? Reach out and talk to the other girls in your comm. It's possible that all of them feel the same way but are afraid to mention it.

>>10198593
No, but you bet they all judge you and talk shit behind each others backs because of it. Replica Chan’s are just as bad as ageplayers imo

>>10198522

What if there's a guy that loves Lolita fashion but doesn't wear it because he knows he can't pull it off. If the smelly brolita turned up washed and smartly dressed...Would he still be a Creep?


Asking for a friend.

>>10198286
No one else in my comm knows how to dress themselves outside of lolita, and they rarely actually wear lolita. It's as though they put on their brand sets like a uniform and have no individual taste. MOST embarrassing.

>>10198600
>concerns about the health of the brands outside of Japan

This is interesting - do you feel the same way about people who solely buy secondhand brand?

>>10198602
How can you tell for sure they're wearing a replica though? Some of the better quality ones like the infamous Melty Donut replica would be impossible to tell unless you put your face right next to it to check for slight color bleeding or whatever

>>10198607
THIS. I think lolita attracts a lot of plain janes because they want to feel pretty. Not knowing how to dress yourself out of lolita means you won’t know how to dress yourself in lolita either, but they’re so unaware

>>10198609
Because all the itas only want replicas like holy lantern and sugary carnival. The (rare) passing replicas in my comm are not present. That, plus the only replica Chan’s are as big as a house so it’s easy to spot a replica a mile away.

>>10198609
Sometimes. Truth be told, I mostly buy my main pieces secondhand because I don't have the cash at the time to buy them in-store. But on the flip side I try to buy my accessories new when possible. To me, I think it's of course about working within your budget. But I have heard of a lot of girls brag; "omg I buy secondhand so I can have twice as much stuff" which bugs me... Because, yes, maybe I'm a hypocrite but it feels weird to me to always intentionally buy only secondhand for the purpose of not buying it at retail cost. What I know from working with other bussinesses is that it's a myth that companies only listen to the big cash whales; they listen to all of their customers and being a customer can simply mean to buy within your means through them directly when it makes sense.

>>10198603
Your "friend" might be welcome is he's totally transparent with the comm. If he introduces himself as "Hi, I love your fashion but I know I'm not up to being a brolita. Can I show up as a dandy to events?" then I think he would have a chance at being invited to large group events (but not all events every time).

Someone in my comm was wearing a Seraphim replica at the last meet. I don't know if she knew it was a replica and I didn't have the guts to ask in front of everyone.

>>10198365
Yes, provided you can be patient and occasionally put your back into scrbbing it, you can clean pretty much anything off with it.

>>10198616

A dandy? Sounds awful. Seems like the only option is to turn up in drag.

>>10198553
Bless you anon but the guy is called Netaro(u) not Taketora.

They can charge whatever they please, I suppose...but seriously? Yes, it's rare and from 2002, but 34,999 yen for a dress in D condition, missing the collar, yellowed, and stained?...Wunderwelt. Please.

>>10198603
We've been over this multiple times in multiple threads. Comm meets are not for "lolitas at heart" or lonely weebs who just want to make friends. They're for people who wear the fashion. People who attend the meets want to talk to others in the hobby, not random normies.

>>10198636
You've seen nothing

>>10198612
Absolutely. I joined lolita easily without an "ita phase" because I had experience dressing myself as a woman in general. Lolita is incredibly matchy-matchy and easy to wear compared to almost every other fashion.

>>10198609
Nayrt but secondhand brand I see as partially beneficial to the brands, because it gives funds to the original buyer of those items, to buy even more new items from the same brands. A lot of lolitas buy popular releases not only because they’re cute, but also because they are relatively confident that once they are bored wearing the print, they can get a good chunk of their money back by selling it used. So while the brands don’t directly get the money of secondhand sales, they get some indirect benefit because their customers have more money to spend on new stuff.

Obviously, buying direct from brand is the most efficient way to keep them in business. If you can afford brand, vote with your dollars. If you can’t afford the full retail price, buying secondhand helps to speed up the spending habits of those lolitas who do buy direct from brand.

Replicas are a different beast entirely since the brand receives zero benefit. One can argue that print replicas back in the day has helped to make the fashion more accessible, and this may be true. But, several of those past replica-makers, have quit print replicas entirely, and are their own indie brands with their own original prints on taobao. And there are so many! If you want to get a unique and original print, you don’t need to buy replicas to do it.

Separate from the ethics entirely, is just plain quality issues. Replicas are never worth the money. Secondhand brand will blow any replica out of the park in durability and sewing detail. Anybody who has the dark past of buying a Milanoo monstrosity as babby’s first dress knows this. (Yes, I too have done it, and regretted it then and still do now, even though I tossed it in the trash because I couldn’t in good conscience even donate to goodwill for scrap, in the chance some babby lolita squeed over it and bought it as their first outfit.)

>>10198642
Seeing people wear the brand also promotes the brand, no matter where you bought it

>>10198642
Agreed. I'd say that buying secondhand helps the community as a whole, even if not *directly* helping the brands. And replicas hurt the community as a whole, what with people also being scammed and sold fakes.

>>10198399
I like the color and it looks like pink house so I'm a fan. Not super lolita though

>>10198399
I think it'll look very nice as a layered piece

>>10198642 >>10198643 >>10198645
You don't always have to buy directly, but it's important not to avoid it if you can afford to buy something new. It's kind of like a give and take thing; you need to acknowledge the brands directly in some little way to keep them going. But you should never feel guilty about the exact ratio of new vs. secondhand.

>>10198603
You're that gross incel that keeps shitting up the threads. No, you can't go to a fucking fashion meet and not wear the fashion.
>>10198522
Make things awkward for him, don't address his presence, stare him down, etc. The more of you that do this, the stronger it is. If you have an imposing presence and are perpetually projecting a suffocating environment to them, they will leave.

Whatever you do, never let them take over your community. If you leave, another girl leaves, then another, then it's just itas and sissy troons. Keep your community strong by attending and pushing out the unwanted.

>>10198427
God I wish that was me. I never see any lolitas in my city.

>>10198567
sounds like Sandy in Grease

>>10198286
Casual goth.

>>10198522
>>10198683

This just sounds like you're gonna make the sissy happy. The better option is to grey rock him; ignore him and stay away from him entirely. Just make sure you remove any newbies from his vicinity as they may not recognise what he is or how to react.

As for the comm, round up some other girls who are equally creeped out by him, and snoop his FB for evidence of unsavoury stuff. Then tell the mod and get the mod to ban this creep. Who the heck wants to go to a meetup every week to exchange words with some idiot creep, that's dumb.

If the mod refuses, you now have a handful of equally creeped out girls, and you can now hold your own tea party sans creepy dude.

>>10198574
My hair grows really fast too! At first my bangs got unbearably greasy super quickly compared to the rest of my hair, so I used dry shampoo just on my bangs for a while. It's gotten a lot better! They do start to flatten out out the end of the day still.
I also do cut my bangs myself when I'm especially broke but if you can, get them cut initially at a salon so you dont end up like with half your bangs too short and you have borderline terf bangs by the end of it. Then after that you can just section off the hair and trim it yourself!
Since your hair grows pretty fast, if it doesnt suit you, it turns into side swept bangs pretty easily. I hated it at first but I got used to it and I feel more confident wearing pigtails and ponytails more often since it's easier to frame my face.
Good luck with your hair endeavors!

>>10198727
Maybe I'm just old but this teen girl passive-aggressive shit seems dumb to me. Just have the leader of comm talk directly one on one with this guy and say she's received multiple complaints about him making others uncomfortable, and if it continues, he will not be allowed in the group anymore. Simple and mature way to deal with it.

>>10198727
>find dirt on their Facebook
This is a good idea, but doesn't always work. They tend to slip up, though. Friend them on an alt account and watch what they post if you really want to get rid of them.
What you'll sometimes find publicaly on troon Facebooks is that they outwardly hide under social justice to "protect themselves", like having rainbow avatars and posting about tranny rights. There's so many stupid comm mods out there that just open the gates to these troons. If you're patient you can get rid of any of them.

>>10198683
GC anons keep shitting up the generals by giving trolls/sissy's so much attention. Here you are talking how best to "punish" him.

>>10198281

Lolita, meaning grown women pretending to be little girls. Nostalgia?

>>10198755
You've obviously never been in that situation.

It's often the comm leader themselves that approves them to begin with. They didn't just magically get into the community. Depending on how far gone they are with "trans rights", they'll shield the autogynephile.
I've only seen the handmaiden variety of lolita comms ever kick out a tranny when they were a pedophile. Yes, it really has to be that extreme for them. Being some BDSM, drag queen, who's a sissy but hides behind a rainbow avatar and cries about how hard it is to be trans? There's girls who won't say anything about that and it actually works on them.

>>10198286
Wish I could wear more stylish clothes outside lolita, but I just don't have enough energy for that. So my "outside" style is pretty normie, with Jeans and T-shirts and occasionally something punk in-between. For Lolita, though, I like to wear Gothic and Classic.

Moi Meme posted a detail shot of the Parasol they're are going to sell

Wish I could have waited to order this together with Silent Moon

>>10198636
I'm so tempted, I almost bought it.

>>10198553
Thanks a lot, anon! May your days be filled with joy!

>>10198672
Learn to reply

>>10198820
Sorry, missed the caps:

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【Size】
Length: 84cm
Rib length: 47cm

【Price】
25920JPY (incl. tax)

【Material】
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Ribs: Glass fiber
Shaft: Aluminium
Handle: Acryl

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・Waterproof finish Canopy and frills only
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Please note that this is not a defect.

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【Release Date】
June 22, 3pm (JST)

>>10198603
Ayrt, and I don't think do, or at least not as much...there will always be a bit of that feeling because cross-dressing really is still a tsboo thing here but as for myself, the issue was not wholly because he was male and crossdressing but that he did it so badly and was just blatantly being a ’man in a dress’ among us.

>>10198607
>>10198612
Consider yourself at least a little lucky. In my comm, full half of the people do loliable main pieces and wear shit like kid’s hair bows and ballet flats. Bad cosplay wigs, the shine, dear God. I'd love to have a few of the so called cookie cutter brand set lolitas in my comm. At least they are already in brand.

>>10198824
I guess it probably depends on the type of community you have. If this brolita, as >>10198616
anon said, is transparent about liking the fashion, is a decent person (aka, won't get sexual over things and totally not a creep), and is willing to improve and take concrit, there will be a lot of welcoming comms for him. It's usually easier to accept gay guys who like to wear lolita than Sissies or het., (the probability of not being a creep is lower, maybe?) so this might also be important to consider.

>>10198823
>25920JPY
Ripip wallet

>>10198593
If someone shows up in a replica, she is not invited back. Our main comm is still small enough to strong-arm things like that. People with fake bags are kicked out of the luxury handbag forum too so that's the way to handle it. It is a slap in the face to all the brands collectively if you let replica chans into your comms, group photos events etc. It's best to nip it in the bud before it starts. Someone challenged me when the comm first started and wore her replica casually around me (not to a meet) and I flat-out said ”you know you can never wear it to a meet here so instead of being a bargain it was kind of a total waste of money”. She deferred. You have to be strict.

And before someone cries about it, yes you can wear what you want but if the person holding a meet doesn't want to invite you because you are a replica chan, please expect the others in the comm to back her up because 9 times out of 10, they will. Very few of us really think wearing replicas is OK.

>>10198609
There are very few replicas that aren't decently easy to spot without even looking that hard. That's a myth that ’many of the better quality ones are hard to tell’. Even in pretty bad photos online people can usually tell. Melty Donut is infamous because it is the ONE that's hard to spot.

Your posts just seem like you are a lolita at heart trying to make conversation here.

>>10198782
Handmaiden variety of lolita comms? Tell me more. What you are describing is exactly right, many mods are both easily swayed and will accept new members readily, a bad combination.

Can u please help me identify this btssb jsk?

>>10198823
The lace inside is a deal breaker for me. Damn it, WHY? So ugly! When it could have been so good if it was just simple and plain with just a ruffle? That has always been my one complaint with Moitie. Random bits of this really ugly lace popping up sometimes. Probably because Mana just likes it. FML.

>>10198823
I love it and I need it

>>10198823
I have a pagoda shaped parasol made by a well known umbrella company and it's strong as a horse. I don't buy your lies.

>>10198823
The other handle was really cool too

>>10198612
But on the positive side of this, I definitely did not know how to dress myself before lolita and lolita taught me how, so now both in and out of lolita I dress a lot better.

>>10198823
do people really pay over $200 for parasols

>>10198864
I will. Other people are plebs, I don't know or care what they do.

>>10198856
I prefer this handle. It looks whimsical and gothic without having weird Christian iconography. I will never understand the cross fixation in lolita.

>>10198286

>Work
Really normie fag. Usually something off of the sale rack at any of the normie work clothing stores. If I feel fancy I love wearing vintage to work.

>Free time
FINT/ an another Angelus/vintage inspired jfashion if I'm not wearing Lolita, or vintage 1950s and 1940s clothing. Occasionally I feel dressing up like an instathot though lol

>>10198745
I appreciate the info! My hair isn't straight unfortunately and I can't stand messy bangs so I think I'm going to put it off a bit longer until I know for sure.

>>10198831
Damn, you have balls. I wish my mods were the same way.

>>10198877
cRosSeS DoNt MakE AnY SeNsE

>>10198877
It's not a lolita thing, it's a goth thing.

>>10198887
I have learned so much from other good and effective mods! A good mod has to be able to stand up for the general good of her comm, even if it means being thought of as somewhat of a bitch by some people sometimes. The only thing that keep me strong about thing like this is knowing that certain situations are enough to actually make a comm fail and fall apart so those are the ONLY things I'm ruthless about. Replicas, sissies, edgy itas, disruptive people. Anything else is really pretty much OK. I actually have kicked 3 people out, but they were people that the majority of the members wanted gone too. It was great with one (all loliables, sneakers, costume wig) because she got really buttmad and started a ’j-fashion comm, FOR ALL PEOPLE!!!111’
So now I just send the itas and problem people there. I saw a recent group photo and its pure nightmare fuel.

>>10198900
oh my god please post it to the ita thread

>>10198864
I would be if I wasn't saving up for a vacation in a few weeks. That parasol is cool af.

>>10198902
Nah, it's a private group and they have enough problems. A friend just showed it to me because she knew I would be amused. I don't wish bad things for them, I'm just relieved they are well away from us and in their containment comm.

>>10198849
What brand/ store? I want one

>>10198636
Aand it's gone.
I'm low-key baffled.

>>10198849
I'm pretty sure they are just saying to be careful with your things. Their umbrellas/parasols are really sturdy.

>>10198932
Makes me wonder what the OP+collar in good condition would go for.

>>10198478
>>Expecting seagulls to understand normie fashion terms like plackets

You must be from the sewing thread.

>>10198968
Context. He was ‘recommending sewing tips’. So yes, anyone doing that should have a working knowledge of basic garment construction as a competent sewist before giving tips and encouraging ‘crafty lolitas’ to all pick up copies of Otome no Sewing.

>>10198636
>>10198932
>>10198947
Lel this without the collar went for 7000 yen on yahoo a few months ago.

>>10198900
It definitely helps when multiple people have already come forward about a single problematic person. How did you remove that one individual? Did you just remove them quietly from the Facebook group?

>>10198973
My bad, I completely missed the post of bad sewing advice. Carry on.

>>10198981
I discussed the problem person with a few key people, then removed the problematic person myself, telling them why in a private PM. If the comm at large had protested or I had made a judgement mistake then I was prepared to apologize and reinstate her. But I judged correctly and everyone was relieved. It’s much easier when comm members can speak up at least to the mod and communicate that someone is making them uncomfortable, but more often, mods just have to read the comm mood and make the hard decisions. I told the comm members to just tell her I was a stone bitch if she cried to them, so to this day she thinks everyone liked her and meanie pants mod just gave her the boot unfairly. I’m ok with that.

>>10198980
Oh hey, do you suppose the buyer from Wunderweldt bought it and resold it? Imagine that! Yet if an individual had done the same, people would have screamed blue murder.

>>10199016
People sell to Wunderwelt because they're too lazy to list and ship each individual item they want to sell. They're a middle man that serves a purpose for the original seller. Scalpers do not.

>>10199026
Scalper also gives an original seller their asking price. If anything Wunderweldt will lowball on bulk buys, that’s how all resellers make their money, buying low as they can manage, selling for what the market will bear. Try again.

>>10199033
That's why people use wunderwelt: bulk sells. They serve a purpose in making it easier for lazy people to make an instant quick buck off multiple items. The buyers then get a price that's still a decent bargain while benefiting from easy shipping and bulk buying.

Scalpers offer none of this. I can't wait til previous anon makes that scalper list so scalpers like you lose their minds.

>>10198612
Agreed. My ita phase was never as bad as it could have been because I enjoyed color matching outside of lolita too, and I still see girls who are years in the community who struggle because they never grasped color matching. That's okay, just I count myself lucky.
Conversely, the matchy matchy aspects of lolita have leeched into my everyday wardrobe and now I pretty much exclusively wear black, just because it's easiest to coordinate even in normie stuff and I can't be bothered to put a lot of thought into an outfit when I'm wearing normie stuff. I'm mostly sweet though, so it's odd.

>>10198836
I'm a mod out of 5 in my comm and I heavily vet any male who applies by stalking their pics and seeing if they look remotely sissy. The same goes for any mtfs I see. I know it's a double standard but I could care less. The safety of the comm comes first and quite frankly we get enough shit from men, I don't care.

>>10199078
That’s the right way to do it. Actually good brolita or ouji men in this fashion are really rare. Only a handful (if that) in any region. Many more creeps, sissies and fetishists who are joining for the wrong reasons.

I’m not against fetishists either, I firmly believe that 2 consenting adults should absolutely do as they please. But none of us in the general comms have consented to sissy or ddlg things in the groups and fetish lifestylers are gonna lifestyle so it is a direct conflict of values and they need to be kept out.

>>10199062
How is the bulk sell experience like when one is shipping from outside Japan, to Wunderwelt? Do you feel like they give a decent amount back?

>>10199136
Is Wunderweldt can sell at good and competitive prices, and still stay in business, even having sales yet still making good money, what do you think? I think their payment to sellers would pretty much have to be peanuts.

>>10199136
They tend not to buy at the best prices, but it's the seller's choice whether they want to accept the offer or not. For the people who agree, the quick money and ease of selling is worth the price, especially if they need that money quickly for some reason or just plain don't care and want to get rid of their belongings quickly and easily.

In the US, there are numerous shops that do this with designer items, like Crossroads Trading. I've personally taken in a bag full of items I didn't want anymore, had them sort through it and decide what they wanted to buy at what price, and then agreed to the sale. Easily made money off of clothing I would've otherwise just dumped at Goodwill or had a pain in the ass selling online.

>>10198823
That lace really doesn't look great, I'm hoping it's better in person for the sake of the diehard Moitié fans picking it up, that's a lot of money for something Killstar could shit out

>>10199152
It looks like a collab with Lumiebre so I seriously doubt it. It has the exact same specs and handle design that they typically do. Their rose trois design looks very similar. They have collaborated with other Japanese brands as well.

>http://store.lumiebre.jp/?pid=76415599

>>10199016
Fuck off scalper-chan, don't start this shit again.

For those of you who post videos to YouTube, do you find using 'lolita' in your title or tags gets your video flagged / demonetized? If so, did you try appealing it and have any type of result or feedback?

>>10198849
>>10198937
They didn’t give this info on their parasols back a few months ago only on these. I think it’s clear from the price tag that it’s not meant to be a daily piece. It’s a 200$ umbrella with a weird handle, a known issue with the top point of the umbrella and is fragile. Collector item.

>>10199214
Yes, it does get you demonetized. It has for years. Most youtubers don’t include it save for a few videos that they see as promos. that’s why lwln has the abbreviation in her title.

>>10199246
>>10199177

>>10198877
Welp, too bad for you, cause that one has bigass crosses embossed onto the actual material.

>>10198593
My comm has core members.
Some of those core members aren't the most discerning.
They aren't mods or anything, just been here longer.
I find that since this group was established years before our current mods entered the fray, they feel obligated to keep things the way they've always been.
I made the mistake of asking one of these girls if her bag was the real deal, 'omg! That's Meta right? I love that brand!' Because I was new and didn't know much better.
It was taken as a jab, and when I talked to her at a different meet later on, she apparently confirmed I thought she was shit for using replicas and blocked me, and as a result the comm stonewalled.
I felt like such an outsider, didn't even know what I had said or done.
Really caught me at a low too, my wardrobe has sat forlorn for over a year since.

I finally said fuck it and went to a meet with a friend, there she was with the brand version of the bag she'd had a replica of.
Some people.
What a fuck

>>10198823
the handle looks retarded. And wtf about that disclaimer? all of my parasols are padoga shape and none of them has any wobbly ferrule

>>10199078
> I know it's a double standard but I could care less. The safety of the comm comes first...

This x 1000
Since when did it become more important to accommodate any one person’s wishes over the wishes of the group? If we don't want someone in our group, no matter what the reason is, we do NOT have to let them join.

>>10198831
Do you state that in the comm's rules? If so, that's totally fair. If not, idk why you expect them to just know it's not allowed.

>>10198832
Not a lolita at heart, just a mostly indie lolita who is vaguely interested in buying a certain replica. I'd probably just not wear it to meets if people sperg about it irl, that's why I'm asking. People were fine with replicas up until 2013ish and there was even a replica directory back on egl, idk why it became such huge deal in recent years.

Is it common for people to host meetings in which you are obliged to wear a piece from a specific brand to be able to attend it?

Ofc I've seen it with tea parties, but these are usually hosted by the brand itself, not just some random with no connection with the brand.

A girl in my comm is hosting one and, while I find it nice to have a theme, I find it a bit cringy to ask people to wear a piece from a Brand that has no connection with the meeting.

>>10199335
It’s a litmus test. If someone doesn’t already know better than to wear a shitty designer rip-off to a niche fashion meet, then they don’t belong at the meets.

The replica ban on EGL was at the direct request of AP. So it has been a dead horse and a ‘just don’t do it’ since July 17, 2012.

>>10199338
That seems a bit strange. For me, it would depend on the brand and why she was doing it.

>>10199335
Before brands started selling internationally on a regular basis, owning a replica wasn't a big deal (like owning a print to a famous painting who could never get a hold of) but once it became a "real thing" for brands to do business abroad it then became a problem because it meant the brands were competing directly with copies of their own products. Also, overtime, the total quantity of replicas available from China or within your home country secondhand became so commonly available that it was creating a closed circuit of commerce. Meaning, people started to not even consider buying new; there use to be threads of girls discussing how they loved a new print and couldn't wait for the replica to become available...

So even though individual to individual it seems silly, a mindset change about replicas had to happen to help Brands get a foothold outside of Japan.

>>10199338
If the theme has a certain aesthetic that matches that brand’s style, it makes some sense. Like if you had a gothic party with coffins and blue roses everywhere, Moitie.

As long as the host makes clear that wearing brand is encouraged but not mandatory, I don’t see a problem.

I could imagine such an event might discourage a super-new lolita who doesn’t own that specific brand, for fear of going there and being left out of conversation. But those would be few.

>>10199338
It’s not at all common but no one ever said that every meet had to be for every comm member either. So there’s nothing wrong with it. Themed meets leave a lot of people out, expensive meets leave poorfags out, con meets leave the badgeless out, tour meets with a lot of walking leave out those who can’t walk as far, etc etc.

>>10198831
Just wondering but regarding your point about replica handbags: what's the general stance about mixing designer shoes/accessory replicas with co-ords? we often see people buying replicas of shoes/accessories and whatnot in the taobao/aliexpress threads, does the luxury price mark-up change how we view things? do we just not really care about high fashion as much because it's more accessible and too normie?

>>10199376
>no one ever said that every meet had to be for every comm member either.
Oh no, the problem is not leaving someone outside (which will happen, though). I just find it unusual to host a meeting for a brand without actually having it involved. I feel that if it was a meeting for the "brand aesthetic" it would make more sense, as >>10199370 mentioned.

>>10199370
>As long as the host makes clear that wearing brand is encouraged but not mandatory
The person hosting it made it clear that it was going to be mandatory. It's not a very common brand around here so I'm not sure if it will work out in the end.

>>10199344
Yes, I'll wait to see if there's more info on that before deciding to attend.

>>10199355
>there use to be threads of girls discussing how they loved a new print and couldn't wait for the replica to become available..
I remember this.

>>10199380
Many lolitas consider that topic outside the scope of the fashion when it’s something like Chanel or LV. Some think it’s gauche and will laugh at you behind your back for being fake bougie. But if it’s something like Westwood that has a connection to the fashion, then it’s kind of a no-no but again the design replicas are accepted like fake RHS, just not not a fake logo bag or Orb jewelery. So it varies.

>>10199382
I am wondering why they would host a meet for something uncommon locally, to me that is unusual and maybe counterproductive to many people attending unless that is their goal, to leave some people out. This would never succeed in my comm, everyone even cries if we try an *optional* theme sometimes.

>>10199380
I mean, in that regard, you'd have a tough time figuring out who did what first.
Even thr brands borrow each other's notes.
If It's a print, a mascot, or has their logos and name on it, it's a replica you need to avoid. If certain details of the shoes match exactly, and it's something only one brand is doing, it calls for questions.
We're talking copyright law here girl, just go read.

>>10199380
nayrt but i think it has to do with mass cheap production vs small expensive production. gucci purses are made in third world countries for a few bucks and then marked up to hundreds for sale. lolita brands historically have been made in japan with fair labor and the price reflecting that. however as we are seeing some japanese brands going the route of using cheap chinese labor without subsequently lowering their prices, i think we may see less outrage regarding replicas of those brands bc they are they are doing the same price gouging that western luxury brands do

>>10199338
It's common in Japan

>>10199393
Fair

>>10199393
To get the cheap production costs requires high volume and outside-of-Japan manufacturing is getting better and there are still small quantities produced and decent to better quality control. No, the replicas will not return to any acceptance, that door is closed forever now due to the affordability and accessibility of second hand brand and TaoBao brands.

That replicas will ever make a return to any acceptance is either wishful thinking or a poorfag daydream.

>>10199386
And thinking back to that chatter, sometimes they weren't really going to save a lot of money. In some cases they were saving maybe $70 on a $230 dress (I think that's the worse deal I ever saw/heard of). To this day though, I'll admit, I'm ever-so-slightly less judgmental of overweight girls wearing replicas. It's not that I approve of it, I just can't be mad at them for not buying a piece they couldn't fit. Of course the better option would be for them to buy indie, but I definitely notice that's a mild blind spot for me when it comes to seeing replicas on people.

>>10199393 >>10199398
As far as I can tell, the Japanese brands might not be saving a lot by moving to factories. It seems like they're caught in the middle; there is enough demand that they can't afford to do it in-house, but they don't produce enough (because this is a niche fashion) to start saving big-time on having a third party do all the manufacturing.

>>10199401
If you've never dug into why you feel that way, it's probably pity.
I think there are just too many gulls that either are fat or were fat that don't have time to think up excuses for why this special unicorn gets to breal da rurus.

>>10199398
My personal wishful thinking is that people will stop dissing Taobao brands and thus insinuating to new lolitas that they HAVE to wear brand in order to be a "real" lolita, which is what pushes a lot of them towards replicas in the first place. But I'm not holding my breath.

>>10199404
It's not third party vs in house
I don't think any of the brands had in house production (just design)
It's this factory with great skilled labor that had to close, vs everything else.
Industry in Japan is dealing with a dwindling workforce. Why do you think Japan is also leading the charge on automation?
We're starting to figure out that early ise of electronic devices for too long/at too young an age drastically effects hand eye coordination. It's no wonder why more and more developed nations are looking to offset social phenomena with...

I got off track.

>>10199414
Even the brand whores that diss TaoBao will grudgingly admit that it is much preferable to a replica. That’s about as good as it gets. But they will rip a new asshole on a replica-Chan so there’s that? I’m in the middle, I don’t hate on budget lolitas at all when they are doing their best (and you can tell) but I don’t think replicas are ever OK.

>>10199414
No one insists you have to wear brand to be a "real lolita". They just insist that taobao brands are worse quality overall, and there are multiple threads explaining why this is the case.

>>10199401
For me that may have been true at one time but with more indie brands doing custom sizes, many brand sizes getting bigger or even making more sizes, there’s no excuse today for it other than selfishness. At used prices, if it’s a common dress, buy 2 and put them together even. Or alter the brand. That kind of alteration has become less taboo too.

>>10199393
>gucci purses are made in third world countries for a few bucks and then marked up to hundreds for sale
A real Gucci bag is gonna cost way more than "hundreds" of dollars.

>>10199410
>breal da rurus
I'm sorry but wut

>>10199427
Break* the rules
Fucked up my joke

>>10199421
>no one
Not true. I've seen it plenty of times.

>>10199338
I know you can't say what brand cause that would give it away but there are only so many true brands so to speak and I feel like a comm would have to be so small to not have at least some people who have something from the usual lolita brands that most of us are familiar with.

>>10199431
nayrt, but if someone were to make a Mary Magdalene or JetJ party on my comm I guess maybe only two or three girls would attend. On the hand, if it was an AP teaparty, most of us would attend

>>10198877
I always assumed japan was mystified by Christianity the way the west is mystified with Buddhism. Hipsters love shit with hamsas on them, could be the same with crosses?

>>10199421
There are absolutely people who insist that. It may not be a whole lot, but they're fairly vocal about it.

>>10199432
I don't really see a problem with that though. Maybe the MM girls just want to find all the people in the comm who have similar tastes and get to know them better.

>>10199429
>>10199437
So are you dressing for them or to please yourself? The replica issue is an ethics issue, about not stealing...but brand squabbling is just dumb bullshit. Everyone decent just takes those brand whores crying with a grain of salt except the few people that lick their shoes. They got the unflattering label of ‘brand whore’ this way, that’s just how they are. It is dinosaur thinking or petty richfags trying to flex so just ignore them.

>>10199431
In my comm, few have anything but Baby/AATP, AP, Meta or Haenuli. None of which are my faves. But depending on the brand, the reason for the meet to require a piece and how long advance notice there was, I would probably join in and get something. Might be fun and interesting.

What do you think of landwhales who don't declare the stretched out shirring as damage in their listings?
This is why I always check the seller's photos to make sure they aren't some obese ball before buying.

>>10199452
What's there to talk about? It's damages and should be included in the listing. If not, it's deserving of a negative review.

>>10199452
Everyone should do this to avoid getting burned. But if you do get fooled, file a claim PayPal for a refund for ‘item not as described’, eat the shipping, leave them a detailed bad review, learn to check the photos next time?

>>10198286
Kind of a vintage style using items from MILK or a larme(?) sort of style using mostly items from EATME. Everything I get from those brands fits me really well so I stick to them. Sometimes I’ll mix in other Japanese brands like ETC or western vintage or second hand designer items.

>>10199455
Landwhales never think that stretched shirring is damage. It's still listed as "in good condition otherwise"
https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/honey-cake-round-jsk-without-pockets

>>10199452
I do my own sewing, so as long as the damage was limited to the shirring, I would take it, but I'd want a discount. Not a huge discount, but like, let's say the cost of shipping at least? If it wasn't disclosed I would have a fit for the person being dishonest. But if someone was truthful and the state of the dress I would be willing to buy it.

>>10199380
This is the earliest pair of cabriole leg shoes I've been able to find, they were made in 1939 by Steven Arpad for Balenciaga. Half of Jeffrey Campbell's designs are copying couture houses from the previous season, and Chie Mihara has based a lot of her designs on pictures of shoes from the 1920s and 30s. "High fashion" isn't really either accessible or normie, but "high street fashion" certainly is, and when everybody is copying everybody else already I think it's hard for people to care.

>>10199491
They could just be selling it for profit without having worn it since they talk about previous sellers but not their own history with the dress. Just speculating though.

>>10199500
I wasn't talking about designers taking inspiration from other designers throughout history and evolving their designs or basing their designs on certain periods of time, this is pretty much a given if you care about fashion. I'm talking about lolitas wearing straight-up knockoffs, stuff like the Dolce and Gabbana flower/filigree shoes and vivienne westwood cardigans.

>>10198360
Same here. It's been kind of odd watching the frills and lace attempt to creep into my spikes and fishnet side of the wardrobe.

>>10199338
>>10199382

I'm reminded of the time when Holy Lantern had a re-release and so many girls ordered it, some comms had HL-themed meetups. Then there's that time when a bunch of girls discovered they all had AP's Rose Toilette and decided to hold a meetup (twice) specifically so they could get all the Rose Toilette dresses into one meet and take glorious photos of different girls all wearing the same print. And finally there were those very old egl photos where the entire comm seemed to be dressed in Moitie head-to-toe.

It's possibly the easiest way to get photos like >>10190610, by just asking who has that brand to show up, if you make the theme optional it's likely to just get ignored and then you only end up with a photo of nothing special, just another group of lolitas instead of "this comm all wearing Sheglit" or "different girls all wearing Farutetto", which is a bit more special.

That's the best reason I can think of, without knowing more details. I think you're right to wait for a bit more details before making your final decision, though.

>>10198831
are you checking shoes to make sure nobody has secret shop shoes on? are you kicking people out for design replicas like bodylines watered down ones?

>>10198553

Thanks anon! I hope your petticoat never deflates.

>>10199338
>that has no connection with the meeting
I assume it's a lolita meet organised by someone in a lolita comm. If so, it does have connection. Seeing lolita clothes irl is my main reason to attend meets. Anyway, you should have posted this in a comm thread.

>>10199338
I've seen pics from a few and they sound like fun. It's the joy of twinning and then some. I've never had one hosted in my area though.

>>10199509
Nat but in her previous posts she has sold items before in good condition despite stretching them out by wearing it.
I weep for her burando.

>>10199591
*nayrt
Autocorrect sucks

>>10199452
She is very clear of the issues, I’m just unsure why she thinks she can charge so much when she paid almost the same amount for the set + headbow and OTKs when they JUST RERELEASED it for less without the alterations and WITH pockets!

>>10199418
Did Shanice find cgl?

>>10199292

On a tangent, but. Weirdly enough, this is why I always advise against replicas. See, in your part of the story the other girl is just some self-absorbed idiot who took things the wrong way and took an insult you never even meant to give, and now the two of you are antagonistic.

Imagine being that other girl though. Here's a new person being friendly and they've just made an enemy, because their own stupid thoughts keeps thinking everybody looks down on them for owning a replica. Meetups could've been actually pleasant if she wasn't such an uptight wad about her own replica usage.

Seriously, replicas aren't worth it just for this internal drama alone. Imagine how many insults you think people are talking about behind your back that were just honest mistakes like these. Then go look at the ita thread and see that people do diss replicas to nothing. Now look at this message and realise you'll never be free of this, either people are making fun of you behind your back and you don't know it, or they're not and you think they are and then suddenly you make an enemy over nothing.

Replicas just aren't worth this kind of internal drama, nevermind the quality of the replica, how about giving yourself some quality peace of mind. Just buy the real thing secondhand, even being saddled with black Radioactive Cupcakes instead of Hypefairy Carnival Chocolate Mermaid Whatever has to be easier than dealing with this kind of emotional landmine.

>>10199621
She’s probably just trying to get back what she paid for it. Also, isn’t that the girl who was obsessed with MF and tried to jack up her prices because it was owned by MF at some point?

>>10199621
Stretched out shirring is never mentioned as an issue by her, even when it's clearly damaged by her boobloaf like in >>10199591.
I can't imagine the elastic can hold in that much blubber and keep its shape for long.

>>10199560
>>10199572
This is a fucking neat idea and I want to do it.

>>10199445
Yea I don't see an issue either. And if someone really wanted to go, they could buy a dress and sell it after.

>>10199542
Print, logo or mascot replicas, and all are easy to spot. Design replicas aren’t the issue, the art theft is and we all know this since 2012 so it’s not some kind of new surprise. If you don’t wear replicas, it’s not a problem then, is it? Gatekeeping of one kind or another is way more common than you think, I’m just more open about admitting to doing it.

>>10198553
Kitai Fuku Ga Aru by TSUNEKI Netarou

Chapter 5 done
https://imgur.com/a/qZ0hDTS

>>10199621
Because enough people complained about the re-release being in a different fabric and not offering this cut that she thinks there will be at least one person out there willing to shell out for the cotton version with this bodice detailing. Time will show if she is right.

If y'all remember me and my recently recieved magazine order from a couple generals back, I've scanned something! it took forever but i think was worthwhile in the long run. follow me or whatever on imgur to see more, and i'll drop links in future generals every now and then.
>https://imgur.com/gallery/uWAssj6

>>10199754
yesss, bless you anon! these are so fun to read

>>10199756
this is the cut that was rereleased. the switching and OP cuts weren't.

>>10199754
I fucking love this manga. A huge thank you to the team! May your dream dress come to you.

>>10199761
You're right, I got them mixed up,thanks for the correction. Yeah, I doubt anyone who cares about having the first release version would settle for an altered dress with missing elements.

>>10199754
>>10199758
Thank you for these!
I especially love this old street snap of Maki and Asuka.

>>10199758
Bless you anon! Might be a good idea to start a thread and get a dump going.

>>10199758
Bless you. I want to be buried in this coord.

>>10199758
so many things there that would get posted to the ita thread nowadays
>not a costume
>short skirts are immodest

>>10199796
i hate how criticism on here is stifling creativity. there are so many people being posted to the ita thread now that aren't even ita, they're just not to someone's tastes.

>>10199800
The ita thread is pretty useless if you aren’t new (and even if you are, you won’t learn anything more than a few “how not to be an ita” articles won’t teach you).

>>10199632
diffanon but I have a design replica of two AP bags because they're both in colourways that were never and will never be released, unless one of the prints gets a re-release in black...which it most definitely won't.

I support lolita brands and am against print replicas and to-the-tee design replicas. But, I feel okay about my off-color bags and my knockoff bigfoot shoes. I'm too old and socially well-adjusted to have a tantrum if someone doesn't like my choice of accessories.

>>10199772
You can do that yourself

>>10199800
People also seem to be really against accepting vintage American inspiration into lolita, like the milkshake release discussion and the denim jacket/fannypack accessories in the japanese thread. Every new style idea doesn't need to get a separate name - the original name can just evolve to include additional creative ideas.

>>10199560
>>10199572
>>10199535
these meets always seem so fun! i dream of twinning for a meet but will never happen since my comm is all sweet except me

>>10199754
As a teacher, I approve of Mami’s Philosophy

>>10199889
I honestly look at those milkshake releases (the wide skirt, not the slim one) as pure Lolita. They may not be inspired by ye olde french noblewomen but the spirit, petti, accessories, hair, and makeup are all there.

>>10199796
>nowadays
That very set was already shit-talked in lj times, let's not play pretend.

>>10199842

I feel like if it didn't bother you then you wouldn't need to explain yourself to me, on 4chan anonymously of all places.

Anyhow, it's your stuff and your burden to bear with, not like it matters to me what your mental landscape is like.

>>10199946
But she didn't frequent the ita thread back then

>>10199644
It’s behavior like this that caused MF to leave the fashion in the first place

>>10199758
Thank you soooo much!!! You're really kind to share!

>>10199800
There's a limit to that, though. If everyone is accepted as lolita and it's fine because creative, what happened to yumekawaii in the west will happen to lolita. People will wear bizarre shit that vaguely looks like lolita and join our groups and the fashion will quickly become bastardized. It's good we control it. People here don't call something "ita" because it's bad, but rather because they want to preserve the fashion as it's supposed to be.

>>10199800
I agree with you but it's also really easy to just ignore that thread. I feel like half the people who post ''''crit'''' in there are just roleplayers anyways

>>10199976
Wow so she's not just ita but also a creepy stalker? That's messed up.
I realised that she also tends to buy stuff that she obviously can't fit in, going to keep an eye out for scalping and add her to my blacklist probably.

>>10199626
Nope, was just high and didn't want to waste the effort it took to write it.

>>10199951
what an oddly combative response.
I only to offered my experience and opinion as additional perspective. calm down there, natsu-chan.

>>10199632
She's also fucking neurotic as hell, so that doesn't help much.

>>10200100
I get that you were hurt and isolated but maybe you should let this go and forgive your comm member. because of the nature of this and other anon online comms like BtB, it makes it so that you never know if the lolitas around you are amassing damaging opinions about you. clearly she's got some other things she deals with, only having heard your side of it, but it may become water under the bridge real quick if you just let it go and try to enjoy comm events. it's amazing how two sensitive people and a bunch of misunderstandings can spiral.

>>10200154
Don't worry anon, it's now past tense.
I just hope she and the other girls like her continue to leave me alone.

>>10200154

Nayrt but she's one in six billion people. There are other friends anon can make.

>>10199892

I'll be in a comm with you.

I really wish more people wore VM.

>>10198593
I'd say I'd confront someone over it, but I actually did meet someone who did it. I don't know what it is about real life vs. online, but just confronting an excited new lolita in person over it when they're just trying to understand the fashion is hard to do. I'd like to hear how other have done it.

>>10200253
It's more that she would get spoken to afterwards and asked not to wear replicas again by the mod. But you have to have a good. Mod who is not a wimp too. It's difficult.

What kind of blouse do you wear with jsks like this?

>>10198593
I'm a very anti-replica person on my social media. So I assume the girls in my comm know my stance on it. When I see someone wearing one in person I don't comment on it. But I definitely don't compliment them either.
My best friend keeps buying replica bags and shoes of AP, because they are so incredibly cheap and the originals are quite expensive for what you get. She keeps reviewing them for me even though she knows how I feel about it. I think she's a bit sad I don't compliment these items at all.

Like, I don't want to be rude and start a discussion, but I won't compliment or talk about your replica items and it seems to throw people off, when I just politely smile.

>>10200258
Maybe a high collared blouse like pic related ?

>>10200019
>It's good we control it.
You don't control anything.

You attempt to, sure. But does it prevent people from doing whatever the fuck they want?

No. People clearly keep doing whatever the fuck they want. You can't stop people from doing things regardless of what is said here or anywhere else.

>>10200304
NAYRT but we actually do control it quite a bit in many comms. Just on the down low as an unspoken thing to prevent this kind of screeching. Always have, always will.

>>10200265
Are you the kind of person who thinks generic teaparties and heart-shaped bags are replicas?

>>10200265
Shoes and bags (sometimes) are different imo. You can't compare replica shoes which are just a generic design to something like art theft of replica dresses

>>10200366
Not that anon but shoes and bags are on a fine line; some things like tea parties are at a point that they are general shoe style, so long as a shop isn't attempting to directly rip a design from elsewhere it would be okay. Like Cotton Candy Feet makes shoes in tea party styles but they aren't AP copycats. They also make various bags that are lolita style and similar but not direct ripoffs. Bodyline on the other hand has crossed the line with replicas and copycat items of different types.

It really varies but also think from the perspective of mainstream luxury brands and how fake Louis or Gucci, etc. are perceived by people. Most enthusiasts would rather you have no bag, or a bag that's off brand but relatively original, rather than a knock off.

>>10199754
>https://imgur.com/a/qZ0hDTS
I love you anon. I appreciate these so much!

>>10200265
What do you consider shoe replicas? I feel like people are too quick to act like AP is the only company to ever put a bow on a shoe before...

>>10200376
Designer knock-offs have logos or brand names on them. If they are design knock offs, that’s just the entirety of high street.

The ban happened in 2012, nothing has changed. Are people really still in confusion over which replicas are not ok and which design knock offs weren't even included in the replica ban?

Because you can just clearly read it here. https://egl.livejournal.com/18686404.html?page=4

Just after the ban on Livejournal EGL, this was written to satisfy AP’s complaint about replicas.
https://egl-comm-sales.livejournal.com/19246303.html
There is one small error, the Moitié socks shown do have proprietary lace so they would be included in things not ok to copy but socks with generic purchased lace and ribbons in the same colors and style would be fine.

Wonderfinch’s LJ account seems to have been purged so if someone is good at archiving, sucking down all the LJ EGL important info might be something to think about. LJ isn't gonna be around forever. Lots of history and nostalgia there!
It would not be expensive or difficult to set up an archives website as something read-only for historical stuff. But we’d need a few people to work on it. I'm waiting to see what's going to happen with Lolibrary first though. We actually NEED that to continue and evolve in the present as an important resource. Has anyone contacted M and A?

>>10200330
That just sounds like you kick people out for not doing what you like.

Thats not the same as controlling people.

>>10200448
they obviously meant controlling people's dress code for their comm you retard

>>10200448
No one is interested in ’controlling people’ outside of the scope of the comms, you walnut! They never have been. People have always said ’do what you want on your own but just dont bring that shit into the comms, groups or meets.’

Meta's Romantic Alphabet is the only named print I consistently see for under 4 000. Does anyone really like Romantic Alphabet, or is it just kinda ehh?

>>10200497
I do! I’m weird though and like some quirky shit. One of my favorite dresses I own is IW dwarf story.

>>10200497
It’s one I tell myself I should try to like enough to buy especially just for a cheap cute piece to fatten my closet, but I always find an excuse not to get it too. Why??

>>10200447
I'd say good riddance, but she probably wanted that to happen.
If I was a lawyer, I'd rather not have shitty character flaws open and readable to all.

>>10200247
Fading into oblivion having never talked to her would definitely have been better.
Also, we over 7 billion now, feel old yet?

>>10198593
Our comm has actually banned replicas. If someone wears one they get a warning, if they do it again they're out.

Cheap, friendly sizing and easy to buy brand deals like this https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/mermaid-in-the-jewelry-box-skirt-and-head-bow-black

And all of TaoBao, plus expanding (pun intended) Indy sizing make the replica choice even worse today than it was back in the day. Now there’s really no excuse at all to buy them.

>>10200517
That’s more than fair. If you say up front “no replicas” even giving them one warning before kicking them is quite lenient.

Oh my gosh what a bloodbath. Was anyone successful?

I failed to get the sax jsk, hopefully they'll do an mto.

>>10200526
What release?

>>10200447
ArchiveTeam Warrior project is in the process of archiving all of livejournal.
We can donate bandwidth and/or money to the project, it would be worth doing.
It's a little involved, but they're good at what they do.

>>10200529
Be My Valentine

>>10200537
Well no shit? What did you expect?

>>10200447
I ordered some lace recently for handmade and I'm not sure if it's a replica. If anyone can help me identify it, please do.

>>10200526
Same, I also failed trying to get the sax. It was sold out within two minutes. If enough people email, I bet they'll consider.

>>10200541
This looks like Moitie inspired, somewhat like the Holy Cross lace or the 2005 cross lace, but isn't an exact copy of either. Doesn't seem like an MmM replica at least, can't really say for other brands.

>>10200541

I've never seen replica lace sold on its own before but I've also never checked for it. Probably safe?

>>10200526
Failed trying to get the sax OP. My SS said the Tokyo store only had one and it sold out online instantly.

I'm really upset. I've wanted it since the first release but I wanted it even more now in sax.

>>10200541
As far as I can tell, similar to 2 Moitié Rose Cross lace patterns but not close enough either to be a replica, more a ‘really inspired by’ thing.

>>10200541
>>10200573

There's a shop on taobao that copies brand lace, going so far as to show you the original they copied from compared to their own lace. They never copy the brand logo, though, and a lot of the stuff should be generic motifs like bows, stars, dots -- but somehow lace with these motifs are nearly impossible to find outside of a near-replica like these.

I don't really know how to feel about them, they skate so close to replicas, technically aren't quite "art theft impersonating burando" replicas (like are we counting it as a replica if someone reverse engineered an "inspired by" perfume that smells exactly like the original, do we also count it if someone digitised the motifs stitch-by-stitch from scratch without ever touching the originals?).

I made these for me, feel free to ignore, but I thought I'd share.

>>10200604

>>10200605

>>10200579
which store in Tokyo did she go to specifically? The Tokyo store (aka Laforet) said they were only going to stock the red jsk because of the limited reservation the store had at the Pink party. https://yaplog.jp/ap-tokyo/archive/13132

If they went to Shinjuku then never mind.

>>10200579

If there was only one of each in store, they must have had only a handful online.

The exclusivity makes me want it even more.

>>10200593
That’s not “brand lace”, anon. Clothing companies have books of commercially available lace that they can order with or without customizations (like adding the ‘A P ‘ or changing the color).

That shop isn’t making replica lace, they’re selling lace any factory offers and showing you (the customer) the lolita example.

This is why you see AP, Baby, VM using the same laces. Those brands don’t deal in the volume/hit order mins they’d need to have to justify entirely custom laces or trims, just customized ones.

I work in fashion production and this has been bugging me, so buy all the lace you want.

>>10199754
Thank you very much for these.

>>10200510
We’re almost to 8 now. Feel really old yet?

>>10200655
We at 7.7
It's almost like we want to experience the heat death of the universe on a micro scale.

>>10200541
Not replica but yes it is inspired. Do you have a link? I'm really bad when it comes to finding anything on taobao

>>10200715
See >>10200593

>>10200626

I've been following this shop since someone posted it to livejournal in 2010-ish, and their copycat lace is usually after AP or Baby has already used it. You'd think if it came out of a stock book someone somewhere else would already be using it too. Even picked the candy one, which is the most blatant since this shop and AP is really the only place you can even see this specific motif (not even Baby uses this one).

Still, I'll take the good news that it's not a replica. Cute sweet lolita lace is hard enough to find as it is.

>>10200721
Thanks anon but unless I'm completely blind CRS doesn't carry the Not-MmM lace

>>10200593
In addition to what >>10200626 said, the replica ban (which AP themselves coached the EGL mods on how to write) was very specific in naming only replica prints, logo goods and brand mascots, not design knock-offs or ‘too-similar stuff’. Everyone can of course have their personal opinion on the topic but when generally saying what is ok and not ok from the legal standpoint, please let’s stick to the things actually specified.

>>10200258
Something with a scoop-neck so it doesn't clash with the collar? This style of cutsew with the bow & neck-ties removed could work.

>>10200767

We're not egl. And >>10200626 is straight up off target anyhow.

>Those brands don’t deal in the volume/hit order mins they’d need to have to justify entirely custom laces or trims

Both AP and Moitie's selling point for ages now is that it does deal in exclusive lace, that's why people make a fuss over AP and Moitie lace. Meanwhile Baby, and most other brands tend to use generic lace, which is why even though some of the other brands have better lace you don't see lolitas going nuts over it the way people go nuts over "Moitie lace". Go on, tell me Moitie's candelabra lace is some generic shit some factory has in their stock book somewhere.

Further, the entire point of why burando *print is always better than taobao *print quality is this: burando does and can sell enough dresses to pull MOQ, enough that they are doing custom printed fabric with custom stencils instead of inferior digital print-on-demand. That's why when you snag a taobao dress there is always a white line because the print is only on the surface, whereas when you snag or damage a burando dress, the dye penetrates throughout the fabric.

Fashion production anon has never seen a burando print dress or some shit, you just need to flip the fabric over to see which method they used and realise they can, they did, they do, and they regularly sell enough dresses to hit MOQ on some factory somewhere in order to use that method of production, jeez.

>>10200772
>That's why when you snag a taobao dress there is always a white line because the print is only on the surface
This isn't true. I own a few taobao pieces.

>>10200800

I stand corrected, taobao *print dress

>being this proud of constantly damaging your clothes

New thread, this one has reached the bump limit >>10200805

>>10200772
Baby has been producing kumya lace lately too. Like that's in a stock book somewhere.

>>10200772
I think it may be a bit of both. There are probably only so many factories in the world that make this kind of chemical lace in this quality so I wouldn’t be surprised if AP used them to produce their custom branded lace. But if AP let them put an existing stock image of a candy on it to possibly cut the full custom costs, there would be nothing stopping the company from using that stock image for other lace designs. I’m assuming some of AP lace is 100% custom and probably all of Moitie’s lace is.

>>10200807

You're the one claiming that when brand snags you don't get the white line so

>Being proud you fuck up brand this much

Hm

>>10200896

The type of lace they're mentioning isn't "chemical" that I'm aware of more than any other fabric is. It's just embroidered tulle lace. Probably completely or mostly custom for each brand. I think endless embroidery hoops/machines or some other machine is likely being used since it's different than woven or crochet lace.

Embroidery machines in general work by translating a vector or image into a digitized pattern with software so the machine knows where to place stitches or what kind/width/colors to use. At least the at home or mid tier ones do. Factory level could be different. So if AP's lace is custom they're likely producing all the artwork themselves to be digitized/converted into the embroidery machine file. It makes sense for copyright protection on their end to have completely original art in their lace. Not that China gives a fuck about a lot of copyright or intellectual property law even on an international level.

>>10198286
Strega