/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Appreciate the effort

>>10196764
Thanks. I just can't with that sissy and his ’fellow lolitas’ BS.
Summer is one thing but that's just horrific.

What's your favourite type of lace?

Anyone else feel that Innocent World's quality has been terrible as of late?

>>10196787
Old mmm, and I have not seen any of the new yet in person. I'm hoping it's ok. Some people don't think so. Fml.

Summer meet suggestions that are still very nice but that are indoors? Besides ’cafe’?
No picnics for me!

>3 posters.
There’s already another general. Why?

>>10196813
not to be that guy but there's a whole thread for meet ideas.

>>10196818
this general was made because the other one is sissy bait and not worth responding to. use this thread and let the other one die.

>>10196819
Ugh, you are right, apologies! It was not being bumped up anymore and I honestly did not see it.
Thank you anon.

>>10196820
Or sage them and actually post content in the general like the rest of the people posting there.

>>10196813
Aquarium? Fish are cool.

>>10196799
i'd like them to do dream marine in regular color. this dress goes sold out within minutes in japanese second hands and i'm too chickening to buy from xianyu.

>>10196806
I’ve bought a dress from them a few years ago (must have been around 2012) and I was so disappointed when it arrived... It wasn’t even lined, not one single bit. And it was a long-sleeved OP, so I don’t think it was meant to be a light summer dress.
The lace on the wrists was already coming apart in places. Idk if they knowingly sent me a defective one since they knew I’m just a westerner and not very likely to try and return it or if the quality was just generally bad.
Has put me off from them for a while, but I’ve bought a bolero and blouse second hand and they seem okay. No idea how old those are though.

>>10196820
Are you literally retarded?

>>10196824
I don't know how to sage a person, just my own post when I post in a thread. Maybe >>10196820
Doesn't either? Besides, I didn't want to post there after the thread derailed, you know it never recovers.

>>10196806
I feel like IWs quality has been downhill for a while now, sadly. Speaking of, was anyone else supremely dissappointed with VM's tartan release? It just seems overly simplistic (and suspiciously similar to IW's tartan print that came out a year ago). I was expecting something a little more extravagant with the more experimental direction they've been taking.

>>10196787
Crochet lace owns my soul

>>10196795
>>10196797

With regard to the scammer on LM, I assume they’re trying to pass it off as this:

https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-usakumya-pouch-bag

>>10196787
Custom lace in general. I think it adds a lot to the design, and is a nice little detail. Other than that I love beading laces with contrasting ribbon woven through.

>>10196806
I feel like IWs quality has been downhill for a while now, sadly. Speaking of, was anyone else supremely dissappointed with VM's tartan release? It just seems overly simplistic (and suspiciously similar to IW's tartan print that came out a year ago). I was expecting something a little more extravagant with the more experimental direction they've been taking.

>>10196787
Crochet lace owns my soul

>>10196862
I adore AP’s custom lace, especially when they sew it a little further away from the bottom hem of dresses as opposed to flush against the edge. It really adds a cute, dainty touch to dresses that might otherwise be laceless and uniform-like (like melty whip).

>>10196863
I agree. Cotton crochet lace or death

>>10196787
I like most patterns of Cluny lace, I really like tatted edging and I love Baby’s old chunky rose lace.

>>10196787
I like torchon lace

>>10196888
I appreciate the recs!

I think my struggle is I’m not in love with sweet style jewelry but I also don’t want anything too normie. It’s a fine line, I will admit. Truthfully I just wanted to change the subject.

Does anyone have info about the owners of Lolibrary? Are they still going to be updating it or are they going to look for someone more active to take it on as a project? It's been a while now so I was wondering about it. It needs quite a bit of rebuild work still before contributors can really come back onboard and it seems to be slow going.

>>10196913
This was suggested recently, they did a collab with Triple Fortune at one point and they used to advertise in GLB. https://www.michalnegrin.com/

>>10196913
I’ve also been struggling a lot with finding nice jewelry, as the typical “macaron necklace” stuff just comes off as tacky when it’s worn with prints that aren’t food-themed. It’s hard to even find a decent cute charm bracelet

I want to stay true to Lolita. Every time I spend a lot on dresses and such, I beat myself up and end up selling them. I go through this cycle of trying to dedicate myself to the fashion then “quitting” temporarily and just coming back to it months later. Help.

>>10196915
It is cute but a lot of this kind of reminds me of normie costume jewelry.
Like the kind of stuff your roommate would buy before going to a murder mystery escape room with her Tuesday night trivia team because one of them got a groupon for their birthday.

>>10196927
You don’t need to go online and read all about new releases. Just wear it when you feel like.

>>10196932
That's oddly specific but Fair enough. Jewellery taste is very personal. A lot of the acrylic lolita brand jewellery reminds me of kids plastic things from Icing.

>>10196915
This looks like tacky grandma jewelry.

>>10196927
Maybe if you made it fit your style instead of trying to dedicate yourself to it, you'd feel more authentic and stick with it.

>>10196935
So maybe it's not your style. I found the site through the GLB though and they have collaborated with lolita designers so its not just a normie brand like Betsey Johnson or 1928.

>>10196934
>acrylic lolita brand jewellery reminds me of kids plastic things
Very true.
Where is the happy medium we all deserve?

>>10196935
Lol! A lot of lolitas think old Classic lolita looks like a grandma couch too so maybe they go well together.

>>10196938
How many years ago? This stuff looks really generic, like the type of jewelry you’d sift through at a street fair full of old women wearing Coldwater Creek. It’s so gaudy.

>>10196787
LADDER LACE

>>10196913
np, and fair enough!

That is a bit harder to pin down. If you like gothic stuff, there's a ton of good brands like Martha Rotten, Voodooodolly, Alchemy, Omnia Studios, etc etc. If you like classic, maybe My Inspiration?

actual general thread >>10196714

stopping making another general just because you don't like it OP

>>10196958
People have moved multiple conversations here and this one is being frequented more often without people crying about sissies. Just let the old one die, no one cares.

>>10196957
Based taste

>>10196799
I’ve been trying to find a pink/brown Charlotte’s Bear brooch for agessss. Re-release please.

>>10196961
it's the lack of immaturity. get over it. if you want to make a general, should've done it because someone else did

>>10196945
The most recent 3F collab was 2016? This one might have been earlier?

>>10196787
Eyelet

>>10196957
Despite being a sweetfag, I absolutely adore goth jewelry so much. And yet I hate most goth dresses. I really wish I could wear these with sweet coords.

>>10196971
I’d fuck with that ring
>>10196975
The world needs more (not ita) bittersweet

>>10196977
Im toying with the idea of having a few pieces here and there that aren’t obviously goth unless you look for it. It’s just hard subtly pairing dark colored goth jewelry with pink and white coords. More rose gold coffins and pink skulls, please.

Plus having creepy death jewelry is just so damn Edwardian. I’d love to throw it in the few classic coords I have.

>>10196973
I reported a Brand replica and I recall it being gone within the day. So I dont think the mods are just twiddling their thumbs or anything. I’m sure these listings will be gone soon enough.

>>10196975
Get a few none-printed sweet dresses and use them with goth jewellery sometimes? That would look ok, I guess?

>>10196787
Are there brands/styles outside of jfashion that have as much of an appreciation for high-quality lace? I've bought a few burando lolita items because I adore the lace, but I'm not sure whether the style suits me.

Have any anons used baking soda and vinegar mixed together to take care of stains on their clothing pieces, specifically the skirts of their dresses? Did it mess with prints or fade colors?
It's my go-to for stains, especially the older more stubborn ones, but I've only ever used it on white clothing.
I also remember seeing some anons recommend using Oxiclean some time ago. Does anyone have any experience with that?

I picked up my Antique Beast order from the post office today. They tried delivering last week but I wasn’t home. I was quite surprised it arrived less than a month after ordering, but I guess the headdresses don’t take long to produce.
Has anyone else received their order yet?

>>10197001
what ratio vinegar/baking soda do you use? do you just soak the clothes in? how long?

>>10197015
If I'm treating just a stained spot, I'll mix a 1:1 ratio to form a paste and apply that paste to the spot, then rinse off about 30 minutes later.
If I'm doing a full piece of clothing, it's normally about 3 tbsp of baking soda and 1 cup of vinegar, sometimes more depending on the size of the item. The time I soak it for depends on the stain, for basic stain treatment I do about 30 minutes, but I've done up to 24h for really set-in blood stains.
I've only ever used it for white items, so I don't feel too badly letting it sit for extra time since it won't be messing with any dyes.

>>10197022
Is that something you have experience with?
Honestly it sounds tempting because I have a few ideas and can so rarely find anything that fits exactly what I’m looking for, but I would have no idea where to start without making a shitty mess.

>>10197031
Not to discourage you in any way but unfortunately I'm guessing that reply was from the sissy larper, same as he ’encouraged’ everyone to buy pattern books but doesn't know what a dress placket or any actual other actual sewing terms are. He's larping as a lolita.

Chain joining and adding clasps, eye pins jump rings or bezels and making simple bracelets necklaces and brooches is not a super- difficult thing to do but unless you do some learning, and get some tools, its not just something you do one afternoon from some bits you find around the house. Look up some chain bracelet and necklace tutorials to see if it's something you'd like to try. THEN decide!

Northern hemisphere: The longest day of summer is almost here, lazy hot days for many of us, so what are you looking forward to until the leaves begin to turn and its time for cooler days and cosy autumn cords?

Southern hemisphere: the shortest days of winter are nearly upon you, what do you have planned for the rest of winter between now and when its time to welcome back the early flowers and brighter days of spring?

>>10197029
But once it's done reacting, it's just water and salt. Why.

>>10197001
Awful coord.

>>10197062

>>10197073
Sodium acetate ! = sodium chloride

There's someone on lace market who constantly posts mostly bodyline nwt dresses for mostly at-cost prices. Does anyone know this person's story? Are they a scalper? Where do they get all these bodyline pieces from? Do they even wear the fashion? I have to know

Gulls, how many of you are NOT on FB so you miss announcements and news for things like this kind of Indie brand rlease?

>>10197101
I'm literally only on FB for these things. It's such a shitty platform, way past it's prime. I only cling to it because without it there is no centralized lolita information content in English and events and meet ups. You should just make a fake name fb to follow the updates pages only, there's no requirement that you actually have to add friends and post.

>>10197104
Wasn't there supposed to be some kind of lolitas only social network at one point? What happened to that? I was hoping for it but then it never publicly opened. The few early people who were in it said it was dead and not managed so I wonder what actually happened.

>>10197100
Are you talking about cherry_sp? Of so, yes she's a know scalper. Also I fucking hate how she displays the dresses in her photos. Most of the time they are unrecognizable from that shitty angle.

>>10197101
This is the first chiffon overlay dress where it actually works, good job desu

>>10197106
Let's all move to Diaspora

>>10197107
Yes that's the one, and I agree. Do people buy from her or stay away from her? It doesn't seem like she's super price gouging from what I can tell

>>10196975
>>10196979
I've seen a lot of people do this with punk coordinates with sweeter dresses, could be a possible idea for you anon

I think a couple reasons that the goth jewelry ends up so much nicer than the sweet is a) the goths also buy it and b) the goths are willing to pay more money for good jewelry.

I make/sell jewelry sometimes and while I like making the big fancy pastel things, I get a lot of people who go "Wow that's so cool!!" then see the $50 price tag and run away ;-;

>>10197031
not op but I do this too. It's not difficult but it can get costly and time-intensive.

The tools just to learn are pretty cheap, you just need a set of jewelry pliers (I got a $10 set at walmart and used them for three years), it's the beading supplies and extra charms that pile up. I don't want to think about how much $ I've spent on beads/charms that just sit in my house. Save yourself anon!

I've been meaning to host a meet to teach people (and goad them into taking some of my supplies off my hands) but I've been to gosh darn busy

>>10197100
Yes she is, look up cherry_sp in the archives

>>10197109
Diaspora can just decide to shut down all the servers and close up shop. The western comm is not soooo big that the bandwidth would kill a forum on a dedicated website but I know people think forums are too old fashioned.

>>10197104
Yes FB sucks. I'm only on there for 4 groups total and then the updates pages and a few other pages. Not very handy though. I'd really love my lolita content more in one place with a vetted membership that kept out creeps, sissies, dd/lg people, larpers and lolitas at heart.

I like this but I'm not so sure about the little hat.

>>10197137
Seen one chiffon painting dress, seen them all.

On the subject of scalpers.

I was considering making a collective place of known scalpers for the community and don’t know what would be the best place to set it up. I was thinking google docs or even tumblr since people can submit stuff. If I did do it, I would update it once a month probably the first week of the month. I would probably expand it to include the Milanoo sites as well.

>>10197140
I don't think anyone really uses tumblr anymore. Maybe instagram is better. But be sure to fact check submissions and have proof of their scalping ready. Some proofs of scalpers (Rainies, Gemgem, Koukibi and some more) are already in the archive.

>>10196914
The owner's SO posted a comment on Rufflechat recently that the owner has been sick, so not able to update in a while.

>>10196927
You don't have to buy the expensive stuff.

>>10197179
There are a ton of releases from almost two years ago that haven’t been added. She needs to pass the torch off to someone else if she’s really been sick for this long.

>>10197140
There is some disagreement on what makes a scalper in this fashion, you know. Some girls buy at low prices because they are very very good at finding the best deals...but they wear these things once or more, then sell at market value and are labelled ’scalper’ yet that's how they fundtheir fashion hobby. I've seen people labelled scalper actually wearing the things they get accused of just buying and flipping. So no, that not scalping. It's butthurt anons with vendetta because they can't find those same great deals as fast. Can we ever just admit it and be honest about this Finally and clear the air?

I don't think that issue is at all on par with any list of milanoo scammers who actually deceive their customers, sell replicas, sell bad quality goods, bait and switch with stolen photos etc.
Just no. Not the same.

>>10197185

the issue is most of them don't disclose details like damages or stains. most flip without even a cursory glance at what damage there could be.

i mean i know tons of influencers who 'flip' their shit and do the same, but i do think we have a higher standard than that and people ought to know before they buy.

>>10197183
Well to their credit, I do know that the Patreon for it does NOT cover the ongoing monthly expenses to run it yet so they have been paying for it out of pocket to even keep what is there up and running for us all to freely use. So unless you have the skill and knowledge as well as the funds to put your money time and effort all where your mouth is, a little tact might be better in this case before you go sounding off about what other people ’should do’. Yes? Yes.

>>10197189

Nayrt, thanks for the reminder. I have the funds right now so I went ahead and started donating. I like the website for all its flaws and I'd hate to see it go the way of hellolace. I can't program for shit but I'll do what I can.

I know this is the Lolita general but I don’t see a general J-fashion thread. Does anyone have any reccs for comfy, casual gothic brands? I like BPN and Putumayo already.

>>10197138
Fuck you I wanna be a walking museum 24/7

>>10197187
Then why don't they have bad feedback and shitty reviews? I still smell jelly butthurt that they are just better at buy/sell and too many vindictive anons are just spiteful.

>>10197166
You can’t make a proper list of people on Instagram. Maybe if it where like a shop or something that would work. But something more text based that you can actually share with the community and post for others to learn can’t exactly be done by instagram. Google docs is probably the best way to do such a thing. And tumblr is actually used quite a bit still even with its porn purge. You can still update a document and spread it from the platform easily.

>>10197185
AYRT That’s not what the document is about. It will have a area much like the Milanoo list from LJ where there’s a section of confirmed scamming ( with valid proof) and a section of possible buyer beware for others to know that there’s been some questionable practices with that seller. It’s purely up to the buyer if they want to risk with the seller and I would provide a foot note message of what is known from the sellers practices so the buyer can choose on their own if they want to do business with them. LM isn’t a good source to actually see how a seller behaves because people are scared to offend the seller and get bad feedback. That has been discussed over and over in threads past. It would be nice to have a point of reference without having to put on a nice face just to get a positive review back.

>>10196852
I'm personally happy with the recent release but I do prefer more simplistic styles. It's still pretty experimental, plaid blouses aren't done much by brands.

>>10197003
yes, got my order a week ago. I also only got the cat ear headdress and a choker.

>>10197189
How much is the monthly cost?

>>10197220

They do, you just have to read in between the lines.

People are also afraid of retaliation from what I observe. Particularly from certain e-famous lolitas.

>>10197249

You know that you can google it and it's right on their website right?

It starts at $1 a month but you can add more.

>>10197249

Well egg on my face.

On their patreon page it's $290 a month since 2018.

>>10197189
I’d be willing to donate monthly if they actually caught up. Why do it now though when they don’t even have shit from a year ago on there?

>>10197140
Google docs would be the best bet. I agree with what >>10197224 said.

Also I also feel like Instagram could be used by the scalpers to accuse the account of "harassment." If they try hard enough they could get it shut down.

>>10197254
Then shut up, watch for them to catch up and be grateful every time your freeloading ass clicks a working page, pleb. Donating is voluntarily and always has been but they have kept the lights on all this time for us from their own pocket and so they do get to make their own schedule and rules. Take a seat. Take several.

>>10197260
It’s been almost two fucking years and they’re not even close to catching up. Stop sucking their dick so hard. People have had issues with Lolibrary’s shitty way of being run since the dawn of time. It’s just a new low for them to sink to to not bother with it for years. WKing the site just makes you look new or moronic.

>>10197260
why are you defending them? if it had been maybe 6-8 months i would understand but they don’t even have shit like mermaid unicorn that got released over a year ago

>>10197057
Southern hemnon here, I am aiming to wear almost all my velveteen pieces at least once before winter is over. Winter is quite rainy where I am though and I don’t want to wear it and get soaked

>>10197233
A lot of the shit regarding scalpers IS hearsay and I know for a fact some of it is false. What about in those cases?
Anons: ’Oh she's a scalper she just buys stuff cheap and flips it to make bank.’
then photos of person have repeatedly been shown of her *wearing the items*.
Accusers ’but still, she sells high and we know she bought the things cheeeeep! That means she's a scalperrrrr.’

THAT is a more accurate picture in several cases.

Be very careful when you start gathering names and putting people on lists without substantial proof from named sources. It rarely ends well.

>>10197263
Because they don't have to do shit for us at all and ungrateful cunts like you might make them decide its not even worth it to keep up and maybe they will just take it all down? Use your brain. Just a tiny bit.

If I had been ill, read your comments, i would think you had NO appreciation at all for what I had already been financially supporting at several hundred dollars a month for the community for some years.

>>10197262
Do they have an obligation to punch your time clock, bitch? No? You get to ’have issues’ when you PAY for something. Screaming when you use a free service and it doesn't suck your dick on time seems a bit petty, darling.

>>10197272
It sounds like you are in fact the owner and the one who’s sick, you’re awfully pissy over legitimate complaints. I know several people who would have done the job for free in their spare time. Scrape the sand out of your cunt or take a nap or SOMETHING to stop your temper tantrum.

>>10197272
like the other anon said if they actually kept up the site i’d gladly donate to them but they don’t. i’d donate time to help them run it too, but theyve always done a bad job at managing it so i doubt they’d accept

>>10197272
>>10197260
>>10197189
>So unless you have the skill and knowledge as well as the funds to put your money time and effort all where your mouth is

The admin has straight up refused help from at least 2 of my dev and programmer friends.

>>10197273
it probably is her, she’s posted here before

>>10197272
It costs nothing to just hand the reins over to someone willing to put in the work, of which there are plenty. Sitting on it and neglecting for 2 entire years while her Patreon covers the cost is nothing worth asspats.

>>10197277
She’s a brat so it’s no surprise there.

>>10197278
Probably. It REALLY seems like it with how much she’s crying over legitimate complaints people have voiced in this thread.

>>10197273
I'm not the owner or the one who runs it so don't blame them. Y’all are a bunch of whiny freeloading cunts and I'm done addressing this. The rest of us can support their patreon as we see fit. Think about that next time you use the website.

>>10197272
Several people over the years have offered to take up running it, including since they’ve stopped updating, and the admins haven’t let anyone assist them or hand over control. We should not praise or defend such childish behavior.

>>10197283
Sure Jan. You just sperged out so hard you probably popped a blood vessel because you totes aren’t her!

>>10197280
>>10197285
Do they offer any information about why, or is it just a power trip?

>>10197283
I used to support them on patreon but revoked it after half a year of them not updating anything. If they ever change admins to someone who will actually update it I’ll support them again.

>>10197290
Power trip. The main admin is a complete bitch who acts like she’s gods gift to the lolita community, and I would in no way be surprised if it really is her WKing herself

Well it's this again.

>>10197260
Be grateful?
I am. I have donated and have cheered them on for years. At this time, the tool they gave lolitas globally is unusable, broken, and mismanaged.
The progress I can see reminds me of dial up in the 90's, is the bar actually inching forward at all?
Two things are obvious, 1: they need help, and 2: they don't trust anyone to give that help.
They had a user driven submission system that they haven't enabled or carried over, and that was the gem of lolibrary.
I want them to succeed, I really do, but white knighting folks that are making money on a broken product helps no one.

Don't be so offended by the making money part. They get donations, they have ad revenue.
Maybe they should make a good sustainable tool that functions and then have a monthly subscription to keep the servers going.
But they need to show they can deliver <something> besides promise.

Just a heads up that Lolibrary does have a github page https://github.com/lolibrary

>>10196852
VM's stuff has been more experimental recently, but their cuts have also been way plainer than their pre-resurrection stuff. I don't mind the new direction they're going in but it feels like they're paring down on the nice detail porn that made me fall in love with them in the first place.

>>10197303
That’s pretty pointless since they don’t actually accept any help

>>10197311
And also, this is so you can improve the website, not the content.

This might be a stupid question, I don't know anything about web design or hosting or whatever.

Why do we rely on some random person running Lolibrary vs just making a community Wikia?

Obviously it would be more difficult to search and browse, and would lack a lot of the nice functionality of Lolibrary, such as tags. But frankly I've found Lolibrary to be pretty fucking useless a lot of the time anyway bc it's so out of date and much of the entries are incomplete. The image sizes are also pitifully small, when I know many of them are available in much larger sizes, and I can only assume i's the choice of the owner to host such small images to save bandwidth or something.

Lolibrary also doesn't give the option of users adding more info to entries, like more accurate size info, upclose pictures of lace or details, links to relevant kera photoshoots, etc. that would be very useful.

>>10197273
If you know several people, then ask them to help. It's open source.

>>10197321
People have offered to help them before but they refuse. Learn to fucking read.

>>10197321
It's a kubernetes container system in the google cloud now. They are swatting gnats with a sledgehammer and when their dev stalled and now can't do the work, it's too undeveloped and at the same time too complex and broken to just let ’people’ in to help.
Icing on the cake? They are a registered nonprofit so have to also follow all those rules and requirements.
Quite a pickle.

So now you know.

>>10197326
Do you know what open source is.

>>10197320
If someone inests the time to make one, I will invest time to fill it.
I'm a perfectionist to the worst degree and was unsatisfied with the wikias I attempted to make.

>>10197332
Do you know how to read?? Apparently not

>>10197320
I think it would be incredibly cumbersome, unfortunately.

What I think we need is the library untangled from all this new and largely unneeded development stuff, reverted to a simple searchable database with categories, keywords and photos (like it was) and then restore the ability for the community at large to submit entries.

Then a small dedicated volunteer crew could check and approve them as they have time.

Simpler, cheaper, easier to understand and deploy.

>>10197267
You sound like a scalper that doesn’t want people to know you’re a scalper. You’re why there’s terrible inflation in the market.

>>10197294
Thank you God, I need that Sax JSK in my life

>>10197350
I'm not but I probably should start. Y'all are so dumb.
There isn't inflation in the market. I check for the best price on what I want to buy. Any of us can shop at all the same places these so called scalpers shop, scoop the same kind of deals if you are quick and know what to buy, and also wear, sell or flip your too. It's a free market. You could do it right this minute. People are too scared and lazy and inexperienced to navigate and purchase on the Japanese resale sites so they cry about someone ’scooping up all the good stuff’.

Butthurt. Like I said.

There are a few usakumyas on yahoo auction right now. Not too expensive either.

>>10197339
>We need a site without development
>Lists a bunch of features that require development

maybe all the hobbiest coders should just leave the lolibrary people to do their lolibrary business in peace

>>10197357
That’s literally the definition of scalping dumb ass. Of course any one could get the items for cheaper if they looked. But that also doesn’t mean those who charge more because they got it cheaper are free from scrutiny either. Be a scalper. That won’t stop people from calling you out on it like we have for years and years.

>>10197360
Ah but I said new and unneeded development stuff. Of course every site needs dev. But the library in no way needs what it has now, ,, its overmuscled and with expensive bells and whistles it does not need while lacking things it does need.

Typical product of a very proud coder...who has left the site long-neglected and also virtually unworkable for others. That's not a good coder, that's an unrealistic and short-sighted one with perhaps too big plans?

People seem to excuse scalping with “hurr durr free market”. No one is arguing it’s illegal, so that’s irrelevant.

What we ARE saying is that it’s reprehensible to scalp clothing in a fashion and community that’s already niche, and by scalping you actively contribute to the destruction of our community by making it financially inaccessible. Pricing new releases at twice their cost is just stealing money from people in our community for no reason other than greed.

Get a real fucking job that doesn’t involve stealing from people in a fashion you allegedly “love”.

>>10197375
There cost is literally the market value. If you can't afford a dress that is selling for market price then it is perhap you who should be seeking the lucrative employment or learning to comparison shop?

I am a locavore. A very niche eater within my tight knit community. Is it also reprehensible that my farmers. Market neighbor charges me literally hundreds of times what he paid for his seeds too? No, he charges a fair market price. Or I buy my broccoli from another farmer. And guess what? Some farmers buy in volume from other farmers and flip the veggies at a higher price!
Such Scandal!

>>10197386
Do they bust the seams on your broccoli and then don't disclose it?

>>10197386

Thankfully it isn't. I just wait until someone sells their dress for a more reasonable price while their shit clogs Lm up for months on end.

>>10197386
There you go again trying to excuse it with legality. Yeah, sure, escalate the market value just to take money from people. You’re still destroying a fashion you purport to love by unnecessarily stealing for women who could’ve bought it at its original price.

Farmers need a middle man to sell their product for them. AP does not. People who forcibly insert themselves as a middle man for no reason than greed are scalpers.

>>10197391
*stealing from

>>10197391
You honestly just sound like a jelly poorfag. I’m not a scalper, I rarely sell any of what I own, but I don’t mind paying marked up prices if it’s an item I really want. They got to it first, it’s their item, they can literally charge whatever they want for it because it’s theirs. You do not have to buy from them.

In the mops/sociopaths example discussed in >>10195202 , scalpers are part of the sociopaths that kill our culture. Purely motivated by greed and with no regard for the well being of other women.

>>10197394
You’re resorting to purely speculative ad hominem attacks because you have no other arguments against the fact that you’re contributing to the destruction of lolita culture by price gouging the women in it.

>>10197395
>people who scalp are now sociopaths because poorfag feefees are hurt

I’ll admit this got a laugh out of me. Are you the same literal retard who spammed the plus size thread trying to diagnose people with narcissistic personality disorder for disliking fats?

>>10197396
That was my first post, calm down poorfag-chan. People overcharging for items is something that’s happened for ages in this community and it hasn’t “destroyed lolita culture” for the 15+ years it’s been happening.

>>10197397
Try reading the article before you show how retarded you are. No one is literally calling them diagnosed sociopaths any more than people are calling normie itas literal mops

>>10197391
Maybe I'm holding an underground burando liberation movement and secretly keeping all the good dresses away from the Ita fatty poorfags?

That would be a motherfucking public service gift to the entire lolita community now wouldn't it?
Where's your God now?

>>10197399
>scalpers are part of the sociopaths that kill our culture.

Learn to read

>>10197398
>anyone who thinks scalpers are bad is a poorfag
Literally everyone except scalpers and desperate people find them shitty. Just because they haven’t completely killed off the culture doesn’t mean they are a good thing for us. Just because humans beings still exist doesn’t mean diseases aren’t bad for them. Scalpers just take and take and give nothing.

>>10197399
>not denying you’re the person who did that

Welp.

>>10197402
Yeah the group of “sociopaths” like the group of “mops”. They’re nicknames for what the article describes in detail. Or do you think the article believes actual mops are ruining nerd cultures? You’re nitpicking semantics because you don’t want to actually argue the content.

>>10197404
I’m not a scalper nor desperate but I think it’s fine. Maybe because I’m not poor like you, but I can’t imagine unironically getting this upset over someone performing a legal act that isn’t even forced on you. Literally just don’t buy from them if it bothers you and move on with your life.

>>10197407
Honestly you’re the one nitpicking semantics sperging out over everyone’s wording because you’re too autistic to understand scarcasm/jokes.

Anon who is making the list here.
Omg going to ignore the what ever is happening in here and say I have started a google doc. Currently for MRK, Cherry_sp and Rainies on the list due to their past known history. I’ll be making a tumblr so others can submit claims till I find a better platform for submitting more. Should I include some images of what their posts look like for referencing making it easier to spot them? I know some have identifiable layouts for their images and figured it might be useful. I’m also going to include a danger level with red being scammer who doesn’t send out items and steals from buyers without sending items out. Yellow being someone who has problems with communication and or has general issues with shipping. Green being scalpers/resellers who do send the item and are a “ inflates prices on all items “ sellers.

>>10197412
>omg

Fucking summer I swear

>>10197408
I’m not a poorfag, not even close. I just finding upselling things for literally no reason beyond greed to be a detriment to our community, and it undeniably is. Scalpers offer nothing beneficial to lolitas, which is why everyone hates them. No one is saying anything about legality so I still can’t figure out why you’re using that as an argument.

>>10197412
You should really only list scalpers and scammers, going past that is stalkery, and honestly unless you have conclusive proof you could open yourself up to a lawsuit since you are talking about a platform that has access to peoples personal information.

>>10197415
The three listed are known scalpers though. That’s literally want anon said. Some scalpers do send the items out they are simply known for marking up their prices.

>>10197412
I can’t wait for them to start sperging our about this like they’ve been doing all thread

>>10197412

Sellers who don't disclose damages, but preferably with proof from 'positive' feedback that are screenshotted.

>>10197418
Listing their names is against the rules here to start with, and no shit, that’s the definition of a scalper. But anon said she was going to list other people who aren’t even scalpers or scammers.

>>10197397
1/10 folks are sociopaths of a flavor.
It's not like sociopaths are uncommon or come out the womb with an evil mustache or something.

>>10197422
List anon here.
I’m not going to list people who are not scalpers or scammers. I never said I would. Don’t know where you got this notion from. I’m only listing people that are KNOWN scammers and scalpers and putting them into a list for easier reference so we can help out new lolitas who might get suckered into a sale they could have gotten easier and or without losing money.

>>10197421
If there’s enough complaints that seller does that, I’ll make a section for listing what the scammer/ scalper does like inflates price, fails to list damages, never sends out items etc. so people know what they do and if they want to do business with the person after knowing this.

>>10197422
Those aren't real names.
Like Wonderfinch, it's a pseudonym/screen name.

>>10197412
It should be noted that MRK (allegedly) doesn't own products before listing them. Instead buying, waiting for them to be made and shipped, then shipping to the buyer after it gets to them.

>>10197427
You said you would with

>Yellow being someone who has problems with communication and or has general issues with shipping.

If they are a scalper or scammer, they are covered by your other categories.

>>10197428
No shit retard. Still against this boards rules about drama and posts have been deleted for doing it before.

>>10197431
You apparently don't understand the term doxxing. Which none of us are currently doing.

>>10197430
>allegedly

This is a huge issue with making a list like this. A lot of heresay without proof. What’s to stop someone from faking accusations and someone ends up on the list?

>>10197432
You’re clearly new here, mentioning someone’s handle in this context is a bannable offense.

>>10197432
any community drama like this where you mention SNs is against the rules for /cgl/. a recent example is people calling others GG in the DD thread, those posts got deleted pretty quickly and you can see them in the archives

>>10197431
Yes that would be yellow. Someone like MRK would be a yellow because they tend to not communicate with buyers, sell items that are damaged without disclosing the damage and have failed to send out invoices to sellers multiple times. You simply have to read their feedback to see this. One or two people okay. But mrk has 9 negative and many many neutrals that state this. There’s even positives that say “ there was damage on the item and the seller hasn’t responded to my messages about the damage”

>>10197433
>>10197427
I think anon should leave “scammers” to the LM staff. They usually take care of any problematic users within a day. Scalpers fine, go ahead and make a list, but I’d be careful of what sources you use to get your info because like >>10197433 says people can make stuff up and try and pass it off as facts.

>>10197439
I’d really consider talking to the LM mods before actually doing any of this. Depending on the platform you could be shut down pretty easily. There’s a lot of things you can’t confirm, and probably a reason why someone with that many negative feedback is still on the platform.

>>10197433
It's based on timeline and recurring themes to their negative and neutral feedbacks. It would need more digging to prove definitively, but it's based on average times it takes the buyer to get their items after they hit BIN.
Comes at an awkward time, but it's from a place of logic.

>>10197442
If someone really wants to stay on LM, there's not a damn thing LM mods can do about it and they'd rather have a known evil in plain veiw then a dozen proxy mule accounts they can't ban fast enough.

Where do people buy sweet lolita shoes these days? I'd order Secret Shop again, but they seem to be gone.

>>10197443
Unless you have definitive proof that’s literally slander. Posting that here is fine, but say anon goes through with making a record of that person’s sales and publishes it alongside false information? That’s grounds for legal action if it’s not true. Since the nature of it involves a monetary exchange and personal information like names/addresses in any of these transactions I’d be hesitant to put anything on a record type blog without 100% undeniable proof.

>>10197444
If this were true the blacklist would be redundant. But it’s not.

>>10197442
The LM mods are as helpful as a wet towel drying you off after a shower. It’s a list of sellers with questionable practices that the community has entirely agreed on being shady. Not a “ do not buy from these people” list. You can buy from them all you want. That was stated up thread. “Buy at own risk” not “ do not buy from” at least that’s the impression I got from it.

>>10197294
God damn it I need that sax jsk but I just bought 2 Silent Moon OPs

>>10197449
Have you considered not using LM if you have such a problem with the mods, users, and way the site is run?

Wow these scalpers are really nervous, playing the victim and threatening legal action.

>>10197454
That’s what I’m reading too. Saying “ legal action” and “ will get you shut down” like there hasn’t been a list out there before.

>>10197454
They’re in major denial about how shitty their behavior is and will fight to the death about it, it’s retarded

>>10197445
Cotton Candy Feet

>>10197283
I don't use it anymore, I was defending the site hard after the migration. I thought it would come back to being again awesome eventually. After a year or so of not being able to find 90% of what I was looking for there anymore, I stopped using it. I will no longer defend the site, the owner needs to let other devs help her. Yes, it risks fucking it up more. But to me, it's pretty much useless now anyway

In all fairness lolita should decrease in price based off the seller wearing it because at the end of the day, they’re second hand clothes. I think “retail price” is the best you can do despite it being rare or not. But since this fashion involves inflated pricing due to rarity, I think it’s fair to mark your item by depreciation in value from whatever you paid.

Example if you will:
>Buy rather rare set for $700
>Wear set maybe 3 times and launder well (dry cleaning or hand wash)
The dress should decrease in value because it’s been worn several times but not too drastically because you’ve laundered it and should include said cost in your breakdown
>set should then be sold at $500 instead
>you paid $200 to wear a rare dress to 3 meets, congratulations

>>10197412
How is lack of communication worse than scalping? Would you rather get a dress at a good price from someone who has a real job and not much time, or enable someone to rip off the whole community and try to subsidize their brand with our purchases

>>10197466
But look at vintage clothing and rare designer clothing. You buy a dress in the 1900s for today’s money at the time 300 dollars. It was worn a few times to formal gatherings. Sat in someone’s collection for years and then sells for today’s money of 1200 due to age rarity and well kept. Although lolita isn’t the same rare as a Victorian party dress. It’s the same kind of concept being as hard as it to get due to limited resources and availability of the item. But today’s scalpers are not trying to sell super rare items for a mark up. They are buying blood bath items in multiples then selling them immediately at a mark up because they know someone who didn’t hit check out fast enough wants the item.

>>10197467
You don’t buy the fashion on the second hand market via LM and it shows.

>>10197447
I agree with a lot of what you posted. I have seen someone lose their security clearance because of PayPal disputes, if someone is not really scamming and you encourage people to have a negative view of them, that could create a bandwagon effect that taints what would've otherwise been good reviews. And those reviews could lead to loss of sales or other actual harm. We want to be careful what we're saying even on this Chinese webcomic board, don't forget that Tyler got sued by John and had to spend all that stress and money defending herself

>>10197470
Nayrt but I agree with them and you seem to have fucked up priorities

>>10197470
I do actually, once had someone take over a week and a half to ship out a dress but that isn't the norm from my experience

>>10196806
IW is pumping out a lot of releases recently. At one point they were releasing a new dress a week. I don’t think that model works for them. The designs weren’t amazing and while I didn’t experience any issues with quality myself their latest releases lack detail

>>10197472
But anon, it doesn’t matter if there’s proof or not!

>>10197476
They seem slow to me, I got the long floral jsk around Easter and there's only been two releases since then that I remember, the plaid short sleeve OP and the solid pastel OP. I just checked yesterday because I love IW and haven't bought a new release in awhile.

Also the quality of the long jsk is absolutely amazing! I have never had issues with anything from IW. Hadn't heard of anyone else having issues, either. It's Moitie hot gluing accessories, all of IW's hair accessories are sewn and have finished edges on the ribbons

>>10197469
Vintage dresses were usually made in small shops rather than factories though. Even though brands do small releases and probably use small factories, they’re still not nearly as small as the ones used in the 50s or whatever time period before fast fashion. But I do agree that scalping is a different beast of its own and I hate the argument of “supply and demand” that they use to justify their actions.

>>10197467
I feel like lack of communication in terms of when they’ll be shipping is a pretty huge deal because as a buyer you feel like you’re getting scammed. If I paid for something and suddenly there’s radio silence, I’d be really worried. It’s understandable to be busy and have a life, but once money is taken, you need to uphold your part of the transaction. Lack of communication could result in missing an event in which you needed said item for (which hopefully you communicated the deadline). It could also muck up your personal plans as well. No one likes to just sit around and wait for a package. Plus with technology, it’s so easy to shoot over a message saying “thank you for your purchase! I can ship on x day” or “sorry for the delay, I’ll be able to ship on this day.”

I don’t expect to have deep conversations with a seller but I want to know when the fuck I’m to expect my package.

>>10196932
>going to a murder mystery escape room with her Tuesday night trivia team because one of them got a groupon for their birthday
I’m feeling very attacked right now

How fast is Closet Child Osaka with shipping out items? Normally when I order from the online store it takes the Tokyo stores like a day, but I have been waiting for 4 days already for the store in Osaka to ship it out.

>>10197467
These caps show people that have left all three kinds of feedback with issues involving the same seller. Communication issues are not rare. They happen all the time and are easy to avoid if you simply take 5 mins and send a message saying “ hey I’m a little busy and won’t be able to ship till next week” it’s really not that hard to communicate with your sellers unless you don’t want to hear their complaints. This seller has countless positive reviews with people saying “ I never got a message just an invoice in my paypal. And never got my tracking number but item showed up as described although taking longer then expected to ship to me then what was said in the description”

>>10197508
I got mine shipped and at my door within 3 weeks during the holiday rush. I’d say if it hasn’t moved in about 7 days be concerned.

>>10197101
Everyone on my insta is going crazy over this dress and I just can't see the appeal. I mean, the shoulder detail is cool but it just doesn't look like a very flattering fit.

>>10197554
>>10197101

Same, it's definitely going to boob-pancake me into next Wednesday; or even if the shop offered custom, either the front print will be horribly distorted or everything else will fit like shit.

Still, I figure there's some flat girls out there who can wear it and like it? idk.

>>10197272
Wow, way to trash Amy’s memory

>>10197185
Just don't impulse buy stuff you won't wear Kei.

>>10197294
Are we all going for the sax JSK then? Fuuucckk. Good luck anons.

Which brand makes your favourite bloomers?

>>10197462
>Cotton Candy Feet
What is their shoe quality like? Worth to bother with if you're in yurop?

>>10197003
Yup got mine about two weeks ago, but I’m west coast so it’s faster than for east coasters

>>10197570
They have a very good reputation for both shoes and bags, and apparently the shoes last a long while, so I'd say yes.

Anyone have pics of non-asians wearing qi-lolita? I don't think I've ever seen it

MMM

PUSSY

>>10197522
I meant how long they would take to ship out, not how long the shipping would take. But I received an email just after my post saying it shipped was out today, unfortunately something seems to be wrong as the tracking is telling me to contact post office.

>>10197414
People who buy the marked up dresses can't or won't buy from the cheaper overseas websites.
Some people collect dresses they won't we're just to have them so are you also going go call them dress hoardrs because they ’take the garments away from the community?

Buy cheap, sell high has always been one way to make money and as long as you aren't scamming or not disclosing flaws and they get their item within a reasonable time in the condition stated in the listing, there's nothing wrong with it. What is best, Depop, Poshmark, all the vintage things in Etsy? People who do exactly this. Saying that a niche fashion is exempt from doing this ’because ressons’ is just dumb.

If I scoop up a cheap dress, or buy a bundle, I'm going to look at the recent market value of the item, then mark it up a little beyond that even to
1. give me some haggling room and to cover my fees, shipping etc.
2. For my time and effort go find the piece in the first place, clean it, inspect, photograph, write the description, pack well in a box not some Mr Yan level mailing bag, write your cute note and include your small gift.

I wear everything I buy at least once and so far every single dime I have made goes right back into building my closet. And my closet is smaller than many in the wardrobe posts, it would be judged ’mid-sized’.
I might not get to wear lolita fashion much myself if it was not for this buying and selling keeping me going in the fashion.
Am I a scalper?

>>10197608
You can write about it with as many unnecessary words as you want, but at the end of the day we'll still call you a scalper

>>10197137
I'm excited about this brand because they seem like JetJ but at a more reasonable price point. This particular dress is a bit busy for my tastes, but the "classical collection" they did for Shanghai comicon was nice and had a good range of designs from simple to fancy.

>>10197611
Fancy version

>>10197562
Are you honoring it any better for demanding things? Would you ha e gone to Amy with this attitude and these demands if shed been sick? I don't think so.
The Library information belongs to the community, this is true. But the website, the. Domain and infrastructure as well as now a fully incorporated nonprofit, belongs to an individual. One who is not the developer, as a matter of fact. M owns it, A is the dev.
A went in and put a complex kubernetes system in, which is yes, open an open source architecture but it is way overpowered, complex and also quite expensive to maintain in the cloud as well. She has never gotten it fully set up to be even as functional as the older version. Then she changed jobs and had way less time to work on it at all, and then became too ill to keep it running.
I don't think after incorporating and pursuing the nonprofit status M is just going go ’turn it over’ to someone but I also don't think she has been able to find someone else skilled enough to rebuild it yet again with a simpler architecture, which needs to happen. She has a decent amount of her own money sunk it to it, I cant say I blame her.

>>10197613
And the simple JSK cut. They seem to do pre-orders through their website, as well as Kera Shop placement. I'm curious to hear more about their quality once people have seen their stuff in person.

>>10197608
I don’t think you’re a scalper. This is literally the only community where people are salty like this. Chinese dudes who buy all the new releases at the store and sell them for $800? Scalpers. People who make a few bucks by providing a service i.e. making the clothes easier for the western market to access? A normal human getting compensated for providing a service. All these whiney entitled bitches need to grow up, no one owes them a dress. And you’re totally right about hoarder-chans. The same gulls complaining about scalpers driving up the price are also driving up the price by keeping the dresses sitting unused in a closet serving no purpose whatsoever except creating scarcity. They need to make up their minds. Either it’s a collector’s hobby and hoarding is ok and so is pricing things for what collectors will pay, or it’s a community of people who share clothes and we should be fair and not price things up but also shouldn’t hoard.

>>10197570
90% of my lolita shoes are from them. Would definitely recommend, they've lasted me years and are very comfy. Can't buy from brand because of my enormous feet so CCF and Antaina are my go-to's.

>>10197619
Actually I also dislike hoarders. You don't mind scalping? Fine, but call it what it is and don't pretend you're the same as a shopping service. You people literally lie in your listings that you're ''closet cleaning'' or ''leaving lolita''. Why don't you just start a secondhand shop? Oh wait, I guess that would require you to register your business and income like everyone else.

>>10197621
That’s not even what the original anon was talking about. Plenty of people are labeled scalpers who just buy a bundle for cheap and sell off the stuff in it they can’t use or don’t want. What should they do, sit around like a retard with a bunch of stuff they’ll never wear? Or sell it to you for under its market value because you’re sooo special and derserve it uwu

>>10197622
Actually no, not that many people are labelled as scalpers.

>>10197622
That's not what the original argument was about at all. Nobody is getting mad you sold things you don't want from a lucky pack.

Kek scalpers on suicide watch.

>>10197608
>Some people collect dresses they won't wear just to have them so are you also going go call them dress hoardrs
Yes, buying and keeping shit with no use is literally hoarding lmao.

>>10197627
But that's literally what people do. There are people who live to buy a million lucky bags, and may only wear or keep 1/10th of it. Ditto for bundles. People do the same with kimono bundles. Japanese resale shop owners come west on big buying trips, scour the vintage market and take home tons of the very best shit to mark WAY up and sell.

What about Wunderweldt used stuff. They scoop cheap in Japan, sell higher to the western market every day of the week, are they ’scalpers’ too?
This is so dumb and entitled.

Make a list of people with bad actual feedback on the old egl_sales and records of the scammers with proof from getoffEGL before LiveJournal, disappears, that would be useful and accurate, anything else is just hearsay and you dumb bitches have way too much time on your hands go sit around thinking up this ’lets make a list’ shit.

>>10197622
Who are those "plenty of people" I keep hearing about since the first time scalping became a serious discussed topic on here?

>>10197634
Start a shop like Wunderwelt if it hurts your feelings so much to be called a scalper

>>10197634
Agreed. If people are willing to pay higher prices for convenience or any other reason, who fucking cares. Let people price their shit how they want. You are not entitled to their property and they can sell it however they choose.

I’ve been known to pay extra because I just can’t be assed to search for another few weeks or months for something. I’m not a bitter bitch-that’s my choice. No one owes you your price point.

>>10197627
She's talking about now banned chestnutlili/Hanayoku/whatever her alias now, who used to buy WW's Lacemarket lots and sold literally every piece of it.

>>10197621
Frequent sellers would be smart to make a small business. At least then until its profitable, they can take the tax write-off for several years. Providing you have an income you can be taxed on to use the deductions with, that is.
And of course, have a thick skin to withstand all the crocodile tears over how the rich just get richer by exploiting the poors and keeping them from their birthright of cheap luxury dresses.

I recommend some kawaii earplugs.
Someone should also design a Crocodile Tears and a Little Match Girl print and sell those as well.
At a healthy profit margin, of course!
Boohoo.

>>10197637
>First time
I genuinely do not care if you are new, but don’t be so stupid that you assume no one has ever had this conversation on here before.

>>10197639
They can sell it however they choose, and we can talk about it if we choose. However, one of the rules of Lacemarket is
>Any listings deemed to contain incomplete or false information may be removed at any time without notice.
From what I understand milkyuki was banned for lying and making multiple accounts.

>>10197634
The thing about WW is they sell what isn't available to us in the first place, this argument is so fucking retarded. Mercari, Fril and others are initially available for everyone but basically useless when scalpers who already have 200 SS orders on their history get favored and buy every piece that might be sought after. Of course people won't be happy to pay a fee for a service no one has asked for, on top of selling it on a platform for private sellers.

>>10197645
Read properly.

>>10197640
She didn't get banned for selling the WW lots though, she got banned for being a liar and fake proof pictures. Scalping isn't banned on LM, and neither is complaining about it on cgl.

>>10197608
No one is paying for the convenience. Unless you mean the convenience of not having to refresh a site on their phone every 5 seconds while at work to try and be faster than a scalper.

>>10197631
Art hanging on the wall ’has no use’. Dolls sitting on display have no use. Plushie mascots sitting on the shelf have no use, yet all these things are ok but display dress collections are not? Some people who collect rare dresses think of it like any other collection. Many people hang their prettiest dresses up to look at or put them on a dress form as decor and admire them. I'd say it's a legit way to enjoy them even if they never wear one.

Bottom line is, someone buys a piece, they get to do as they like with it. Not your business if they mark it up when they sell it. That's out of line.

>>10197570
CCF bought too many reviews for me to trust.
I'd take them into consideration, but not over other options.

>>10197650
I didn't claim she did.

>>10197654
People who collect tons of plushie mascots are also called hoarders, they make tv shows to make fun of those people in my country...

>>10197651
Lots of people are. Or are you saying that the sales numbers on LM are lying?

Sellers will keep selling. I give no fucks if my name is on a dumb list. I will scoop the deals you are too dumb or slow to grab, then sell them to you. Every day of the fucking week and twice on Sundays.
I make accurate listings, take good photos, sometimes trade or haggle a bit and I ship fast. People pay my prices and I make bank.
Cry more.

>>10197654
Displaying an item to watch it for a long period of time is a use. Putting it in your closet "just to have it" is hoarding. But I highly doubt you display 20-100 dresses plus items without making your living space unusable.

>waaa not your business!!
I'm going to comment and talk about it no matter how much you defend it and bitch about it. If you do something shitty, don't be surprised to get backlash from the community.

>>10197659
They're paying but not for the convenience. That's what scalping is. How dense are you?

>>10197447
>literally slander
Literally how?
They resell taobao, it takes months to get items with little yo no communication.
Why does it take so long? Well in some cases, the dresses listed were still up as MTOs on the shop's page, well how could that possibly be?
It's not slander, it's inputting data and outputting a hypothesis grounded in fact.
If it tickles your fancy, call it a claim.

>>10197659
Lel there we have it. A panicking scalper.

>>10197661
It literally is for the convenience of not having to wait

>>10197657
The keyword is tons. Most dress collectors have only a few, and id be willing to bet that many many lolitas have 1 or more dresses they bought but can't or don't wear but still hang on to because they love it. Most people were envious of Milky Fawn’s collection and that was borderline if not full-blown hoarding.

>>10197665
Didn’t she have 15-20 dresses though?

>>10197649
This is not the first time it’s been discussed seriously. Maybe in the last year or two, but “let’s make a list of scalpers” is not a new idea.

>>10197654
>people who collect rare dresses
This just always reminds me of that tallulah bee video where she throws my dream dress on a pile, without even really looking at it, after saying she doesn't fit it with a ''whatever'' tone. I think it traumatised me. I hope she finally cleaned out her closet but at this point I'm afraid to watch more of her videos.

>>10197664
It takes less time for me to receive things from Japan than from America

>>10197667
She didn't say this is the first time it's discussed, learn to read

>>10197651
Bitch I pay for convenience. I pay to not have to sit through bloodbaths, to not have to wait to find it second hand at the price I want, to not have to use a shopping service. I am lazy as fuck sometimes, and an extra $50-100 is absolutely worth it for me. Don’t assume everyone is the same as you.

>>10197667
You almost got it anon, now read it once more. I believe in you.
Tip: We both agree.

>>10197659
Real talk, if you post accurate listings and ship promptly I do not give a half a shit if it’s more expensive. Keep doing you.

>>10197663
Do you think a bunch of salty sour grapes making a list will stop the sellers or moderate their behaviour? At best people will scrutinize their sales and feedback and decide for themselves privately while publicly agreeing with the majority, ’wew, yeah, scalping so bad, rawr’.

In the long run, if I have your dream dress or even one you want, I can dangle it in front of you like a delicious donut and 9 times out of 10 you will grab it. If you don't, another girl will. That's life.

>>10197670
>i pay extra because i'm too dumb and lazy to use the second hand market, so everyone else has to do it too

>>10197669
Congrats, you’re dense as fuck. I meant the time of looking for another of that item, which depending on what it is takes months/years.

>>10197671
Whoops, sorry. I think? That sentence is a jumbled mess.

>>10197666
A closet stuffed full and then they literally lined her walls. She finally admitted she actually had a buying problem, sold many of them off even before she decided to leave the fashion. Which was good.

>>10197674
Oh, I do all those things when I’m feeling it. Sometimes I’m busy and it’s literally more cost effective to pay someone else to do it. Believe it or not, paying people to do things for you is a thing people do.

>>10197674
Some people aren’t poor like you and therefore don’t care/mind paying a bit more for something. Next thing you’ll tell us that people who can afford the more expensive price are just as bad as the scalpers kek

>>10197673
That list has stopped me from buying from a scalper several times, I only wish it was more well-known.

>>10197675
Do you never look at fril or mercari? I see things I want all the time, sold out things, that magically appear on lacemarket for a higher price later. If the scalper didn't buy it, I wouldn't have to look for it elsewhere, I would have bought it from fril or mercair myself. So what waiting time are you talking about exactly?

>>10197670
This. These are the girls I sell to, and they are many more than you think. They just are usually not very vocal about it. All they care about is that the listing is accurate, the photos are decent, any ’bad’ feedback I have is just salt or nitpick and that I ship well and take good care of them.
We both benefit.

>>10197677
That explains the “embracing minimalism” bent she went on after. Honestly? Good for her. Addictions suck and if she found a way to manage hers then good on her.

>>10197680
You’re still being dense as fuck. Sometimes those items being bought and listed by scalpers are the only ones that have come up in a long time. Are you even a lolita? I doubt it if you don’t know this.

>>10197680
Guess you need to get good if you aren't fast enough to get your stuff? Cry moar.

>>10197674
>I’m too poor so I complain about not being able to have things I want and want to shame sellers into lowering their prices to what I can afford

This is literally the only argument against scalpers and it’s hilarious

>>10197681
Keep up the good work and let them stay mad. I just want to click a button and get the dress I want, as listed, for the price you are asking. If it’s too much for me personally then I don’t buy. It’s not rocket science.

>>10197683
>that have come up in a long time
Except they came up when the scalper bought them. You're talking as if we wouldn't have those items if the scalper didn't magically make them appear.

>>10197685
i can generally afford scalper prices, i just don't want to buy from you. i prefer to give my money to brand directly.

>>10197673
Holy shit, the cope. Are you okay? Tell us your name with proof if you totally don't care and it totally won't do anything or if you aren't in fact larping anyway. Even FBfags now know about the scalpers mentioned itt and they got rekd so hard in the past year that on top of barely making any sales anymore, even the highly sought after dream dresses don't sell until they mark them down to the price they bought it for.

>>10197687
Are you seriously asking that no one ever buy listings of rare things because you want them? If it’s a cheap listing of a rare item, people will snatch it up. Yes, sometimes to resell. This happens in literally every hobby because people aren’t stupid. No one is running around doing buyouts of stock or falsely manipulating the market (yet) so calm your tits and let people buy things.

>>10197687
>Except they came up when the scalper bought them

Yes, that’s the point, the “scalper” got an item that doesn’t come up often. Some people don’t want to wait months or years till it comes up again and buy from the person selling it for more. HOW are you legitimately this stupid?

>>10197680
Aha, so you are really just butthurt that someone beat you to a good deal so you want to put them on blast because you are cheap and salty.
Now we hear the truth.

>>10197688
This sounds like the argument of a newfag who hasn’t been in the fashion for long and doesn’t understand searching for an item for years. You can’t buy everything new, you know that right? You know that brands have limited items of their releases?

>>10197689
No one is arguing that scalpers don’t exist. People are arguing that it’s normal and they obviously have buyers so there are people who don’t care.

>>10197678
You completely ignored the part where everyone else has to use that service just because you need it.

>>10197679
>>10197685
>reee poorfags
Seething scalpers out of arguments. If you want a real reply type something of value. Just because I have the funds doesn't mean I'll support you exploiting our love for lolita.

>>10197694
nayrt but if you follow the flow of the conversation
>I pay to not have to sit through bloodbaths, to not have to wait to find it second hand at the price I want, to not have to use a shopping service
is the OP and it's all talking about new releases...

I see some of you encouraging and defending scalpers like your livelihood depends on it lol.

>>10197686
You know we all know using LM isn't just clicking on a button. And SS have better communication than half of LM sellers.

>>10197696
No, I didn’t. No one has a gun to your head saying you have to buy from someone who’s price is too high. If you want a dress that badly, stalk sales like a scalper and buy it yourself. It’s not like it wouldn’t have gotten snatched up that quickly by someone else anyway. Stop being lazy (or pay the lazy tax and shut up).

>>10197689
All anyone has to do is watch their sales numbers. They weren't wrecked, that's wishful thinking. They are still selling and most are making bank.

Gulls, don't trust me, or any other anon about what's going on, just look at and trust the sales numbers. Read feedback, use a safe payment method and judge this whole situation for yourself.

>>10197670
>thinking bloodbaths aren't partly caused by scalpers

>>10197696
If you don’t like the prices, don’t buy from them. You are not entitled to another persons item. It is theirs, they can do whatever they want to it and list it how they want. Jealousy isn’t Kawaii

>>10197699
Are you really stupid enough to not realize there are tons of posts about this topic before that?

>>10197699
I’m the person you quoted and not the OP. I will also pay extra for no time having to spend literally hundreds of hours searching through mercari to find a dress when I can pay someone $100 to do it instead. Opportunity cost is a thing.

>>10197702
We do stalk sales like scalpers. And then the scalpers buy it first. Same with AP releases and kpop event tickets. How do you not get this.

>>10197707
for not having to*

>>10197707
So you paid a scalper upfront to find your dream dress?

>>10197708
Then get good? Wtf is your argument here? That people should be slower at buying things?

>>10197707
>I will also pay extra for no time having to spend literally hundreds of hours searching through mercari to find a dress when I can pay someone $100 to do it instead

mercari takes a minute at most to scan the front page to look for new items. It's not that hard. If you're shitposting here, you have time to browse mercari kek.

>>10197708
>kpop event tickets

Lmao way to out yourself as literally retarded. An entitled koreaboo? Shocker!

>>10197711
No, I bought it from a scalper who did all the work upfront while I sat on my ass and ate bonbons. Stay mad.

>>10197712
My argument is that I don't like scalpers. That's literally it.

>>10197414
God, all this "our community", "what's best for women in lolita" shit makes you sound a lot like one of the sissies/rpers in the last thread that this one was created to get away from.

>>10197713
Nayrt but you’ve just outed yourself as a newfag if you think that’s all that’s involved, and that getting the item doesn’t greatly depend on if your SS is quick enough

>>10197718

>thinking everyone replying to an anon is the same person

Oh the irony of calling me a newfag.

>>10197716
I’m sorry your feefees are hurt by being unable to afford their prices but nobody cares about your personal likes and dislikes

>>10197716
Okay? Cool? Other people are arguing that they should stop scalping and hold hands and give you your dream dress at the price you want.

>>10197715
Except if you know the name of the dress it doesn't take any work. You get an alert when it's posted, then when you check the listing you see its sold out and have to wait a week for it to appear on LM.

just hire a NEET in japan to buy shit for you, problem solved

>>10197488
Who is sitting around waiting on packages though? If I order something and it shows up in a couple days, that's all I can ask for. I work full time, even when someone sends me tracking info, I never remember to check until it arrives. The only time I do check is when it doesn't show up within a couple days. I hate when people send lots of messages and don't ship right away. I think it's because you can pre-order labels with tracking and then sit on them for a week. That has made me scared a couple times

>>10197720
How does that argument work here? I’m not saying it’s all one person, just that one specific poster is new as fuck. They literally don’t know how shopping on mercari/fril works.

>>10197708
So you are really just crying that someone is a better and faster shopper but you admit that we all have the same access to the same sales sites and you are just mad someone beats you to things? So you are vindictive and want to punish them when they are-sell the thing at market value but try to cloak yourself in virtue by pretending they are ’harming the community’...just because you were too damn slow to get your shit? I see.

People, it's dimple. read seller feedback and decide for yourselves on these things.

>>10197720
What are you even trying to say? They just replied to that post. Also, yes. I have both bought from scalpers and done the work myself and it’s far easier to just pay extra.

I hate scalpers but I'll buy from them if they have something I really want.

>>10197723
Believe it or not, I don’t have the time to just drop everything and buy a dress in the middle of the day.

>>10197700
>I see some of you encouraging and defending scalpers like your livelihood depends on it lol.
Right? I wonder why. You'd think only someone with a business to loose would act this defensive.

>>10197718
Your shopping service prioritizes well paying customers too, they all do, but many of them don't TELL you that, you know. My service doesn't miss my items, trust me. I buy enough through them to ensure that.

>>10197728
Yes, I'm really just crying that someone else is faster. It makes me bitter enough to not buy from them. That's why I appreciate that others make a list with your username on it. I am not the person who said it's harming the community. Though AP agrees with that person I guess, don't they try to come up with new rules for popular releases to keep scalpers away?

>>10197733
I know you’re so far up your entitled ass to believe it, but there’s at least one person who’s not a scalper telling you you’re an idiot here (me)

>>10197704
I saw how their sales numbers were before cgl started talking about them.

>>10197736
honestly AP rereleases everything scalpworthy now so don't worry about it. unless you want an exclusive in person release then rip you

>>10197729

It isn't. I have a good relationship with my SS and it sure as fuck is easier shipping from Japan than from bumfuck Italy with their mafia mail system.

>>10197735
If your service doesn’t miss items why are you bitching about scalpers? You’d get all your items and have no need to be upset. Quit larping.

>>10197738
I’m not either, but these people are so delusional they’ll refuse to believe facts when presented with them so there’s no use in proving it

>>10197741
Good for you? I neither live in Italy nor buy from Italian lolitas so I’m not sure how that’s not relevant.

>>10197730
This is 90% percent of you, honestly. The remaining 10% are the bitter and salty poorfags who are just very noisy and trying to convince people to join them in their miserable deprived state.

I can deal with the ”hate label” I'm an adult, and I'll be right here to keep selling you what you want, accurate listing, fast shipping.
No worries!

>>10197738
And you keep replying and throwing insults. An oddly upset reaction for a simple remark.

>>10197748
You severely underestimate how salty I can get about people saying they are owed their dream dress

>>10197745

the point is anon is being weirdly overdramatic about the hours and hours spent on mercari and somehow justifying scalpers jacking up prices, when everyone knows it's pretty easy to walk up to an SS, input your order, and pretty much everything will unfold within the next week. Unless you don't, then I pity you.

Scalpers can do whatever the fuck they want, but people trying to justify them is kek.

There seems to be a scalper in this thread so I have a question out of curiosity. Why do you often buy random stuff that isn't that popular and doesn't sell well for high prices? I often see things from the same seller on LM that are easy to find elsewhere.

>>10197742
I'm not one of the ones bitching, you have it backwards. my SS finds and gets many of the items I resell.

>>10197747
>Please, PLEASE buy my shit! See, everyone else does too! Or else you're a salty poorfag!!
God I fucking hope OP finishes that list, it's already highly entertaining.

>>10197750
It's weird that you can't relate to how much lolitas care about their dream dresses.

>>10197747
I hope they make this list so I have a handy reference for people who sell at least semi-professionally. I’d rather buy from you then some rando who is selling out of their parents basement who missed the coffee stains on their lace

>>10197754
>I want a luxury item therefore it should be easily available to me

>>10197752
Not them, but people are stupid. See: people who buy taobao shit on etsy

>>10197756
Just so you know, the scalper that cgl discussed a lot has been banned from LM for fake proof pictures. She keeps making new accounts though, so her name(s) will likely be on that list.

>>10197759
Is the argument of people buying from scalpers

>>10197745
Raines is in Italy, you know, one of the scalpers we've been discussing this whole time
Yall want to be an SS, or resell, good for you. Pay your taxes and declare your intentions openly and most people won't take issue.
Be a shitty person and make a niche community your compulsive shopping/lying playground and we got problems.

>>10197750
No one said this.

>>10197752
Because it probably was cheap, they were able to combine items from one seller, they miscalculated the demand and/or they are simply greedy duh.

>>10197763
Congrats on having the most retarded post in the thread

>>10197754
Are you implying that I’m larping because I don’t feel bad that you don’t own melty ribbon chocolate in raspberry in the halter cut or whatever you’re looking for this week?

>>10197752
Because I'm a lolita and I buy and sell for my closet as well as selling things to find my closet. Maybe just maybe these ’scalpers’ are just fellow lolitas who happen to fund part of their closet by buying and selling popular pieces as well as buying and selling for their own taste?
Kind of makes sense doesn't it?

Try this. Check on a so-called scalper. Does she wear the items? Does she buy and sell other items besides popular resold things? Does she switch out items from her closet often? Does she have decent selling feedback? Maybe she's not so terrible after all!

>>10197769
But anon, they can’t afford much so anyone who reminds them of that is a big bad meanie!

>>10197768
I don't wear sweet

>>10197769
Seems like they have a vendetta against raine, who is as close to “lolita finance” as this hobby gets and she’s not that bad. She is a lolita herself and does buy and sell for profit. If you hate her, whatever. I personally haven’t bought from her but I follow her blog. She seems fine.

>>10197766
>when in doubt or out of words, just call them a retard
Their point is true, anons upthread literally posted about buying from scalpers because it's easy.

>>10197769
>maybe these ’scalpers’ are just fellow lolitas who happen to fund part of their closet
Which ones? Rainies? Milkyuki? Chestnutlili? Or the Chinese guys wearing a JSK over their jeans to get into AP events?

>>10197771
>what is an example

>>10197772
>I follow her blog.
If you mean Raine Dragon, that's a completely different person lol

>>10197774
Chinese people are trash anyway and clearly not what we are talking about since the discussion is centered around LM

>>10197774
>these people sell things at prices i don’t like so they aren’t lolitas

>>10197772
>that esl
Rainies pls.
Also check the archive before you defend her anon.

>>10197779
She literally scammed people.

>>10197775
If Raine is your example, you're confused with someone else

>>10197781
Then report them for scamming. Scalping isn’t scamming you walnut

>>10197778
There have been an increasing number of chinese people on LM lately. Japanese too.

>>10197762
That's an actual scammer. People who don't disclose damage, stains etc are lying to their buyers by ommission. That's not cool and is bannable, rightfully so. But people with accurate listings that you just don't like their prices?
Fuck off with that noise.

>>10197756
Smart cookies are the ones thinking like this. Those are my potential good customers for sure. Some of us love to canvass the secondhand markets, the auction sites etc, it's a fun part of the hobby for us to wheel and deal. That's the whole premise for sites like Depop and Poshmark in normalfag clothing, honestly. Why not in lolita?
Oh right, because salty, crying poorfags are entitled, I keep forgetting. Silly me.

>>10197203
Try the yumekawaii thread anon, they might have some good recs for you.

Also Sex Pot Revenge is always good

>>10197784
People did. Scalping is her main thing though, that's how you can easily find her new account.

>>10197778

>hurr i hate chinese people hurr

It's like the lolita version of Godwin's law.

I wonder how Raine feels about people confusing her for Rainies

>>10197795
lol at this discussion going completely quiet after that reveal

This thread sure does reek of poorfag flavored jelly

>>10197803
Yeah it must be sad to be so poor you need to re-sell lolita

>>10197001
i use oxyclean on all lolita that have any stains, in fact the one that recommended it is probably me, lol. it’s strong and doesn’t damage the fabric, i use the dissolved powder type and soak the garment for 1-2 days. try it, you will never use anything else ever again.

>>10197183
>>10197277
not tagging all of them but these exact arguments have been brought up the last time someone mentioned lolibrary and i straight up agree that they need to stop being so damn protective
at this point if i had the skills myself id just make a new one

I wonder if the scalpers are just too fat and ugly for lolita so they feel like scalping and hoarding is their way of to be a part of the fashion. They keep emphasizing how wanted and needed they are in their arguments.

>>10197800
Because it's on autosage and anons probably got bored of trying to argue with the demented scalpers defending themselves with screaming poorfag and jelly over and over again.

>>10197804
>poorfag calling others poor because they’re too poor to afford to buy other peoples items

Wew that projection

>>10197715
>Doubt.jpg

Keep pretending we don't hate you guys and buy only as a last resort

New thread >>10197811

Old new thread
>>10196714
Unfortunately some of you just can't stop bringing up sissy's

>>10197462
Ok but their designs are ugly as hell

>>10197445
Taobao

Check out sosic shop

this JSK is all i want lately,
thoughts?

>>10196763
Dear GOD/GODS and/or anyone else who can HELP ME (e.g. MEMBERS OF SUPER-INTELLIGENT ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS):

The next time I wake up, please change my physical form to that of FINN MCMILLAN of SOUTH NEW BRIGHTON at 8 YEARS OLD (see attached pictures) and keep it that way FOREVER.

I am so sick of this chubby Asian man body!

Thank you!

- CHAUL JHIN KIM (a.k.a. A DESPERATE SOUL)

P.S. If you are reading this then please pray for me!