/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10192980

>Do you wear lolita items in a non-lolita way?
Occasionally I will wear a cutsew or tea parties in generic cutesy j-fash outfits

>Do you think there is a place for stuff like the Milkshake OP in lolita fashion?
I think it's cute seeing lolita brands make one-off outfits that aren't lolita, AP has done this before. I worry it'll become frequent though since this release is so popular.

>What non-lolita items would you like to see from brands in the future, if any?
I would love to see more lolita brands releasing roomwear.

>>10192980
When was the MTO? Is it/did it already come to APUSA?

>>10192991
from Lolita Updates

Angelic Pretty Milkshake Series
Limited MTO : June 15th - 17th
Update: Angelic Pretty will hold a LIMITED MTO for this. This means that even though it is an MTO, it can sell out.

Where: Online and all Japanese shops
When June 15th - 17th
What:
Milkshake circular skirt
Milkshake dot circular skirt
Milkshake blouse
Milkshake cutsew
Milkshake hair band (small dots)
Milkshake hair band (large polka dots)

Shipping: December 2019
http://www.angelicpretty.com/newarrival/milkshake/index.htm
RELEASE DATE: JUNE 8TH

>>10192992
That pose reminds me of the nazi salute...

This print is so cute, are there any official measurements?

Any worn pics of the cutsew?

>>10192997
Thank you anon!

>>10192997
They aren’t making the skirt with the apron? Oof.

>>10193043
the polka dot knit one? all ive found is this mannequin photo so far

>>10193020
When the buttons are popping open that should be a sign that it doesn't fit you.

>>10192980
Anon, why are you spamming milkshake items when AP has made others as well?

>>10192997
Why don’t they make apron as separate piece? Gngng

>>10193007
What print?

>>10193039
The lolita silhouette makes everything better

Quick question, how do I get a lolita gf?

>>10193263
Is that....not lolita? It looks like a country- themed tea length lolita dress.

>>10193263
omg, did they restock petite hearts? I can’t find anything in blogs

>>10193288
become a woman

>>10193320
its still out of stock on their jp store :<

>>10193263
Because it’s the most concretely “not lolita” piece they’ve made recently. Many people considered petit hearts to be lolita and I didn’t want this thread to become derailed by arguing

>come to this thread to complain about how I don't get the hype behind the milkshake series
>look at all these cute coords with milkshake
Oh no now I also think it's cute
I don't really wear retro style that often but these look so wearable and adorable.

>>10193292
>>10193375
I own this and it’s way too long for normal lolita. I have no clue which petti is supposed to be worn with it, it might look better without one actually.

>>10193383
Long dresses are really common in gothic and classic, I think the cut of the dress and how the bodice looks makes it pretty lolita, as opposed to this monstrosity AP released

>mfw I thought this thread at first was going to be a legitimate here are non lolita items by brands and here's a great example of someone wearing them but oh no it's just another AP thread.

I'm tired.

>>10193410
Nobody is stopping you from contributing

>>10193051
This dress looks like it could be worn without a petticoat and I wonder if it could pull double-duty as a Little Black Dress.

>>10193433

Nah you guys do your thing. Its a cute release.

>Do you wear lolita items in a non-lolita way?
Actually yeah! I wear gothic so I'll wear skirts/blouses with normie pieces when I go to rock concerts, like a black blouse with a mini/shorts and fishnets, or band tee/bralette with a skirt sans-petti
Ehh it sounds slutty but it works

>>10193023
Ugh I hate this girl. She's by far the bitchiest shop staff member at the AP Tokyo store

>>10193573
She was pretty friendly to me though...

>>10193403
>monstrosity
hey I think it's cute
not really lolita but still

>>10192980
>>Do you wear lolita items in a non-lolita way?
Yes. I wear JSKs without a petti as sundresses and boleros pretty much with everything.

>>Do you think there is a place for stuff like the Milkshake OP in lolita fashion?
In lolita fashion - no. But I think that brands releasing non-lolita pieces from time to time is a good thing. Sadly I'll never fit into a pencil skirt of a japanese origin.

>>What non-lolita items would you like to see from brands in the future, if any?
Maxi dresses. Not huge lace-monster rococo wedding dresses, but simple long dresses for daily wear.

>>10193292
Yes, it is lolita.

>>10193562
I just wear full lolita to concerts and that works too

>>10193596
Your definition of friendly is probably that she told you to have a nice day after she rang you up, right? Customer service at the Tokyo shop is the worst

>Do you wear lolita items in a non-lolita way?
Quite often. My style crosses into "retro" fashion and both Japanese and Western influenced goth, so my blouses get worn a lot. I will often wear my dresses out to dinner just as dresses rather than with lolita styling.
>Do you think there is a place for stuff like the Milkshake OP in lolita fashion?
Not in lolita no.

gonna try to post lolita outfits worn in a non-lolita way. i'd say these coordinates here make for bad lolita but good decora

the skirt in this pic is AP i'm pretty sure, this coordinate isn't casual lolita but it's still cute

AP skirt worn for fairy kei/pastel kei

salopettes were best for fairy kei and not lolita imo

these coords are more gyaru than lolita but i think the salopette is AP

>>10194823
God I just want a source on her entire outfit. Adorable

>>10193924
>Customer service at the Tokyo shop is the worst
Is it? I used to think it’s extra friendly in there, especially compared to western retail.

>>10194820
their faces are terrifying

>>10194829
I'll try
cardigan is AP
the beret just looks like a pink beret, pretty generic, could be AP too
can't tell what the blouse is because too much filter
pants are probably something like wego or some fast fashion place, wide paid pants are in style, you could sew on some lace yourself on the bottoms
looks like bodyline shoes?

>>10196525
Are you serious? Do they chat with you? Do they give recommendations for you? Do they speak politely to you or walk you out with your purchase? Do they even welcome you when you walk in the store? The answer is no if you aren't Japanese

>>10196542
Are you fat?

>>10196542
My experience at the Tokyo involved the staff staying as far away from me as possible and refusing to stamp my points card when I made a purchase

>>10196542
A least in Shinjuku they do.

>>10194383
Late 00's were a weird time.

>>10192980
JetJ works super well for non Lolita coords. It's borderline not lolita anyway.

>>10196542
I’m asian and can’t speak Japanese (only English) the Harajuku shop girl welcomed me, stamped my point card, and gave me an extra big bag when I left because I was carrying a ton of stuff from other stores which was really nice. She didn’t really talk to me except for when I asked to try stuff on but I think it was the language barrier, she mostly gestured at stuff

>>10196612
I'm getting flashbacks to fluoro footless tights with mini skirts and ballet flats.

>>10196542
There's multiple shops in Tokyo first of all. And they can be nice if you're polite and respectful. Just don't mess up the displays and say that you can speak a little Japanese. They usually warm up if I ask about shoe sizes and stock.

>>10196672
So the 80s?

I’m genuinely afraid people will think I’m their waitress or server if I wear the milkshake hat. I think I’m gonna skip on that

>>10196542
amerifags and their ridiculously high standards for customer service, and the anger they feel when those standards aren't met. hilarious. The staff did not speak to me either until i expressed interest in buying something. Many foreigners go into stores like angelic pretty and look at it or think it's weird and just leave. If you express an interest in the actual fashion, they will be much kinder to you.

Wait, are the not releasing the apron for sale?

>>10196834
It's for sale with the normal OP or pencil skirt but not separate

>>10196836
That blows. I’m genuinely considering getting the pencil skirt just to nab one. It feels incomplete without it

>>10196529
Thanks anon! I don’t keep up to date on other jfash besides lolita so I didn’t know about the pants trend.

Anyone know what I can follow/see more of the girl in >>10194823 ?

>>10196871
*where

Is the AP USA site usually this slow at updating for releases?

Is AP USA wigging out for anyone else? I don’t see a button anywhere to add items to my cart. Tried multiple different items on the site and no luck.

Welp, half my outfit is gonna be arriving in January.

>>10196691
You're a moron. Tokyo store is the one in LaForet. Where are the others, dumbshit?

>>10197145
I mean, if you're talking about the general "Tokyo" area/prefecture, it could include the Shinjuku store since it's 5 mins away via the Metro line? (which is what I think the other anons are trying to imply). But they just mark the Tokyo store as Laforet...

>>10196996
Item out of stock?

>>10197177
It wasn’t. This was at the time they were just added to the site, but for a solid 5 minutes you could see and not purchase them.

>>10196994
Yes.
>>10196996
I hope you got what you were after anon.

>>10197341
Got the top but had to get the skirt MTO! Oh well, better late than never.

>>10193016
>>10193017
Ew.

>>10193954
Wearing just the dress with no other styling makes you look like some noob ita that has no idea what you’re doing. Why would you purposefully try to project that image?

some people might still consider it lolita but some fancy candy coordinates cross over into general jfash territory imo

>>10196871
candy stripper, wc, wego, spinns, peco club, stores like that might have something similar - kind of out-of-season atm tho

>>10196542
I'd rather be left alone to my own devices until I'm ready to purchase or ask a question desu, don't really like the Japanese style of shopstaff constantly following me around the store making comments...I just want to browse in peace until I'm ready to buy
>AP LaForet staff welcomes me to the store and usually leaves me alone until I go to the counter with my item(s), stamp my stamp card/give me a new card, and try to speak English to make it easier on me
shopstaff can have bad/off days like everyone else, who knows what else they're going through in their lives.

>>10197367
I mean, I'm going out to dinner so it's not that I'm not done up, it's just that I'm not wearing my lolita dresses in a 'lolita way' with petticoat, headwear, blouse, legwear etc.

>>10192980
>western jfashion communities insist larme is ded yet lolita brands are releasing very popular non-lolita extremely larme items

Yes I'm salty. It's not dead in Japan at all but the western comm absolutely insists it is, and then it became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

>>10197697
Keep wearing larme if it's what you like, anon! The others were just hopping on the bandwagon.

>>10197697
There are people outside of lolita who are absolutely convinced that lolita is also a dead fashion, doesn't mean that it's true. Fashion styles can't and won't die as long as people wear them; if you like larme, wear it and disregard the people who insist it's dead.

>>10197719
>>10197743
Thanks anons, I know what you guys said is true in my heart but it's nice to hear someone else say it. And I do still wear it, just miss there being an active community and popular members.

>>10197743
Agreed. Even H. Naoto has labeled some of their stuff as Larme.

>>10197697
Larme isn’t a style though, it can’t be Dead or alive, there was no Larme lifestyle, just an aesthetic associated with one magazine and a few brands

>>10198327
>Larme isn't a style
This is a stupid statement. Firstly, I never used the word style, and secondly you can't just invent your own definition of what "style" means. You put words in my mouth and then still had to change what they mean.

>There was no Larme lifestyle,
There is no lolita lifestyle either. Nor is this a component to any other jfashion or western style or substyle, so what's your point? Even given that, I disagree, the fact that larme is focused around a magazine means there are far more lifestyle components to the style than any other jfashion.
>just an aesthetic associated with one magazine and a few brands
This describes almost every jfashion ever in their infancy and some of them were based around a single shop and didn't even have a magazine or other media presence.
I genuinely don't understand why so many people have such a specific hate-boner for larme. Is literally just based on not liking how it looks? Because mori has long been considered a valid j-fashion and meets even less of the criteria larme is supposedly excluded because of. Could say the same for basically every other minor style in fact.

If you don't like it that's fine, but I don't understand why there has been such a consistent effort to delegitimise it and actively ruin other people's discussion of it.

>>10192982
>>10192986
>>10193011
>>10193039
>>10193058
are these really "not lolita"? sure they aren't covered in lace but they have pettis, head accessories, bows, and lolita hairstyles

>>10198379
I don't hate Larme, I like the aesthetic and read the magazine for info but cgl turned it into something it's not.

>There is no lolita lifestyle

Not true. Even GLBs featured "a day in a lolita life" articles and stuff, its not mandatory and most people don't follow it, but lolita and gyaru both had a concrede ideal "identity" that most people following it wanted to achieve.

>that larme is focused around a magazine means there are far more lifestyle components to the style than any other jfashion.

Larme-kei is like saying Popteen-kei or Kera-kei, it doesn't make sense, it's just a magazine with an aesthetic that isn't all that specific, you can't make a larme handbook, theres no "rules" like with lolita. Larme is just an offshoot from neo-gyaru and amoji-kei style. Its trends catering to one general aesthetic, like most of gyaru style was too.

This scan from popteen places the trend as being the style for 2013/2014.

larme is like how the western community misunderstood what otome kei was.

>>10198562
>Not true. Even GLBs featured "a day in a lolita life" articles and stuff, its not mandatory and most people don't follow it, but lolita and gyaru both had a concrede ideal "identity" that most people following it wanted to achieve.
What is the concrete ideal identity of a lolita and how can that ideal remain consistent between substyles? How can you say that larme doesn't have this component when it has exactly basically the same fill in the blanks backstory every other jfashion?

>Larme-kei is like saying Popteen-kei or Kera-kei, it doesn't make sense, it's just a magazine with an aesthetic that isn't all that specific, you can't make a larme handbook, theres no "rules" like with lolita.
I never used the term larme-kei and I don't like it and I agree that it's dumb, but larme is fine imo. Popteen and kera are intended to record trends that are already happening organically, larme is intended to start trends. Stuff ends up in popteen because it's popular, stuff ends up in larme because the creative director likes it. I don't consider them to be the same type of magazine and comparing them is pointless. Also, he aesthetic is specific enough that I can tell when something is from the magazine at first glance.

Secondly lolita is an exception, not the rule and most fashions can't be pinned down into one strict definition or guide including most other jfashions. Can you succinctly describe the rules for mori, CPK or fairy kei? Fashion doesn't fit into neat little categories and boxes because it's constantly evolving. Even a fashion as strict as lolita changes over time, look at oldschool vs modern styles.

>This scan from popteen places the trend as being the style for 2013/2014.
Larme hasn't looked like this since 2013/14 so idk what your point is here? There are even arguably distinct sub-styles that are recognisably larme now.

>you can't make a larme handbook
the magazine is the handbook though? You have to realise this was a dumb thing to say, right?