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/cgl/ Idol Spreadsheet (Recently updated, under new management!) - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WtgRe5cjKIR0BYGhw9N8ahxChLqEFLbZIRbAazooh-o/edit?usp=sharing

Original Music Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfmgukQM2isUtJJZz1MY4Jn4zPcbl0wDU

Previously:
-Lots of new releases - covers, originals, and some idol festival footage
-Idols and LGBT - show or hide your pride?
-Which cons celebrate idol and dance panels, and which try to keep them out of the programming?
-We need more mixers in the community, consensus seems to be that most of the releases in last threads are pretty okay but in need of a decent mix/master
-What sort of posts are good for between releases?

Starter topic: I'm gonna piggyback off of some of the discussion in the last thread, and ask about idols getting involved with causes. Do you enjoy seeing idols support causes and charities that are important to them? How do you balance this without getting too political? Is it unavoidable to get a little political if the cause you are supporting is tied in with human rights? What are your expectations, or what would you like to see or not see, when it comes to idols and groups using their influence to try and make a difference? Should they stick to lighthearted causes, or is it okay to try and campaign for heavy topics like suicide prevention, mental health, etc?

Featured: DanzooDash

>> No.10196199

>>10196143
I'm of the firm belief that any cause a group/idol/celebrity campaigns for needs to be tied to their image or a direct sponsorship to use their image. A group like Danzoo for example volunteering at an animal shelter for a day goes GREAT with their image and is something they HAVE done. It's simple, caring, and makes them look like active involved people. They've posted about charities involving their specific individual animals too. However, this is all benign action they do on their own. They aren't pushing anyone else to believe what they do, or asking for direct action. That's the difference.

Groups who push for action or demand a following of their beliefs/companies they support is where it gets to be too much. It also matters if it goes along with their brand. While Fantasea Splash has an ocean theme, it's WAY too far for them to start getting political with their discussions. Talking about donation to ocean conservation projects is one thing, denying that SeaWorld has done some shitty stuff is a complete other.

Other options are like I said, a brand partnership/sponsorship. If a company reaches out and says they pay you to sponsor their image, thats totally different. Thats the group using things to their benefit and both sides profiting. They get paid, and the company gets exposure from the client. Doing a brand sponsorship for a specific cause would be different. If a group like Squeeze who's actively discussed their members being LGBT, got partnered with a local cause to promote suicide prevention in LGBT youth, that would be fine.

For me, it's all about how they brand it. Personal politics don't belong in idols and they never have. Causes that are right and just and match what a group already stands for are great.

>> No.10196355

>>10196199
Have to agree. FantaSEA Splash really dropped the ball on how they went about that support.

>> No.10196466

I think it's perfectly OK to start a campaign for an issue like mental health. I just get uncomfortable when they start spamming their sns about the issue and going into too much detail... there should still be limits to what public figures reveal about their personal lives

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Some new stuff...
Delusion Idol Mira - Peachy Party Idol Fest @ MomoCon 2019 Debut Performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm1cGM52sxI

Emma - Crazy Beat (Vocaloid/TENKOMORI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWZPON3pBIE

Kristen - Chocolat Tiara (Idolm@ster)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uhM2lDe-Qo

Niki of Mosuri - Tulip (Idolm@ster)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZhXjQ7uD4

PheRi - HeartBeat (Original)
https://open.spotify.com/track/7k94KKnx3NDqX6mSwVgs1B
https://music.apple.com/us/album/heartbeat-feat-odyssey-single/1467659301

Piyo of Heart Shot Dance - Kira Kira Killer (Kyary Pamyu Pamyu)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqekb1ZNQhc

...and some stuff that was posted close to or past the last thread's bump limit.
Jazi - Countdown (Original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMocra_ExTQ

Legacy - Spring is in the Air (Original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huHkygqY-Lg

Risa Rosé - Texas Idol Festival @ Anime CTX 2019 Performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zPIqjMNKZY

Seishun Youth Academy - Kira Kira*Mermaid (SeiSHUN Gakuen)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgKKKwV7bsw

>> No.10196558

>>10196466
So would an idol who uses mental health as their niche be ok? There seem to be a few who use the idea of "brokenness" in their work

>> No.10196598

>>10196558
Personally I dislike the whole idea. It’s on the same vein of glorifying the problems even though it’s not meant to. It would be different if the concept was also singing about mental health and such but most times it’s just gimmicky. It’s just for show and to be cute or edgy.

>> No.10196636

>>10196558
>>10196598

I’m also uncomfortable with it. many netidols suffer from depression and anxiety so when that’s their “theme” too the line gets blurred

there’s so many fun gimmicks you could use too, it seems unoriginal at this point

>> No.10196733

>>10196558
I don't mind as long as it approaches the topics in a healthy way. There's a world of difference between writing a song about "It's ok to be sad sometimes" and a song about "all I feel is pain cause I'm so broken". I guess I mean just don't use it as a tool to show how edgy you are, use it as something to show comfort and relate with other people. Like >>10196636 said, there's a lot of people who have depression and anxiety, and sometimes hearing that you're not alone is comforting on its own.

In general though, I encourage original artists to not use a "niche" or a strict theme because it limits creativity. It's fine to have a few consistent motifs surrounding your style or music, but if you say "okay X is my thing and everything I do needs to associate me with X" you're going to become stale really quick.

>> No.10196778

>>10196498
>Niki of Mosuri - Tulip (Idolm@ster)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZhXjQ7uD4
Oh, I'm happy to see a video from Niki again! She's really cute, so I like it when she posts lol. Im@s dances are really boring in my opinion, but I think she did a good job.

>> No.10196937

What are people's thoughts on online idols like interlunium,bouquettes,legacy etc?Personally I like the concept but I feel like they could flesh out the characters more by releasing some sort of story or something, or maybe more in-universe BTS content

>> No.10196950

>>10196558

This might be harsh, but depression and anxiety aren't a niche. They're difficult and serious, but they are so common in our time. It's one thing if it's promoted to a Japanese audience, as it's not common there, but most net idols promote to their home country in their native language.

>> No.10196982

>>10196950
>as it’s not common there
Sorry to be nitpicky; it’s very common but goes undiagnosed d/t stigma and lack of access to mental health care

>> No.10196989

>>10196982
I didn't mean that the mental illness was uncommon there, but rather that media addressing it is less common. I should have been more clear.

>> No.10196991

>>10196778
I wish she'd stop dancing in her room though. Like can she not go outside and get a more interesting background and outfit. Her limbs are getting cut off in nearly every shot because she doesn't have enough space. Her motions look aborted and not fully elongated and she's clearly not stepping as wide as her legs allow for because of space limitations. She hasn't even debuted live with Mosuri yet. What's the point in actively being a member of the group if you never actually perform with them?

>> No.10197032

>>10196937
I want to do my own virtual idol group for this specific reason. Interlunium specifically said they’d be releasing extra content including more stories and such about the characters but never do. I would like to know more about these groups’ characters through written or acted portions.

>> No.10197064

>>10196991
Yeah, I remember her saying that she only really records at night because she's afraid of her family hearing, but at that point, she should probably just wait to record until she's somewhere a bit better. It would maybe be better for her to stay the weekend at another member's house and do a few sessions of shooting if she's really not able to do it on her own without being in her room.

She's also been selling a lot of her anime/cosplay stuff. I wonder if she's just falling out of the hobby?

>> No.10197345

>>10196598
>>10196636
>>10196733
>>10196950
I guess I ask because I see people like Melancholiaaah! and Kuro Hime using it as a way to get in touch with their fans and be somewhat relatable
I like their approach though, albeit KH can be seriously cringey with her stuff

>> No.10198527

>>10197345

I think a lot of it has to do with many net-idols not being very good at writing lyrics. It's obvious they're inexperienced, so they definitely shouldn't be writing about issues like mental health

>> No.10198608

flusaygirls released a new mv. it's...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4eRG7zwsWk

>> No.10198611

>>10198608
The song is so cute in my opinion

>> No.10198625

>>10198608
I mean, it's slightly better than how their songs normally turn out. Although I still don't understand how Natalie has been making music for like eight years and her beats still sound like she's a beginner. The MV would have been a lot cuter if they actually planned out what each person would do or tried to coordinate a dance everyone could learn. It kinda just looks like they told all their members "idk record some idol looking stuff" and it's all over the place in terms of dance moves, cutesy actions, and lipsyncing. Until Flusay Girls becomes self aware enough to actually hold their members to some sort of standard, they will always be a beginner-tier idol group.

>> No.10198646

>>10198625
Yeah i'm still pretty amazed that Flusay Girls is like 9 years old and they still sound so meh. Is there no one telling them where they should improve?

>> No.10198704

>>10198646
I’ve always felt like the members always fall into two tiers:
>always told they’re good when they’re not
>doesn’t listen to criticism/“hate”

>> No.10198726

>>10198608
The song is cute but shit the vocals and mixing need a lot of work....
And the one member needs to work on.... like... not looking dead....

>> No.10198738

>>10198608
Honestly after the new members were released I was expecting this song to be a train wreck and it absolutely was a train wreck my damn ears are bleeding. Mixing is shit, vocals need a hell of a lot of work, and the music video is an awkward mess at best. If they’ve been at this for nine(?) years and still sound like this, maybe it’s time they stop.

>> No.10198743

>>10198738

I have a theory that the videos of the girls singing are actually what they used for the vocals in the song. that's the only explanation I can think of for the poor mixing and vocals

>> No.10198749

>>10198743
That's terrible.....

>> No.10198795

The song instrumental is cute and the vocals would have sounded a lot better with the mixing, but mixing can only go so far when people have different mic quality. Some of the dance shots were cute, but some had bad lighting and quality that it made the final product look bad too. It's little things like having a basic plan of what the members do to make them all look like a team instead of all over the place, and equal mic and camera quality would do the world of good for them.

>> No.10198840

>>10198608
Natalie please read this shit and apply it. We trying to help, you're clearly dedicated for doing it this long
>get a music production mentor
>make your idols rehearse and practice
>have a standard for videos sent it
>dont take no for an answer

>> No.10198841

>>10198726
The short haired one with bangs has a lot of potential. Her smile was cute and I liked that even though she was in the kitchen she had good lighting

>> No.10198854

>>10198704
What about the new ones? Idk lots about them

>> No.10198913

So apparently Himeluka was kicked out of AmbiFlora due to “creative differences, misconduct, and breaching rules.” Does anyone know anything about Himeluka or if she behaves badly?

>> No.10198926

>>10198913
she is super nice, has a lot of energy. I can maybe see maturity issues. but honestly, that's a very professional way of them to put it, and I respect it.

>> No.10198939

>>10198608
it's a no from me. it feels like Natalie doesn't believe in standards for her members. at least the short haired girl with the bangs had the decency to look nice, whereas that one member looked like she just rolled out of bed and started filming.

>> No.10198958

>>10198913
Please someone find out the rule she broke. Ambiflora members keeps getting kicked out and I want to know whats the tea

>> No.10198965

>>10198958
The only thing that I can think of is
A) her most recent Instagram posts mentioned being on a date... I don’t know how extreme ambiflora would be about this since they aren’t like professionals yet
Or
B) she is involved in cosplay and the group Puka Puka Aquors so maybe that had started to conflict practice/event wise with Ambiflora?

This is all obviously just speculation sorry I don’t have the real tea, wish I did

>> No.10198988

>>10198965
There's probably not any interesting tea, Juliane isn't the kind of person to kick someone out over something petty. (I wondered the same thing about the date, until I looked at her post and saw that it was an obvious joke and the "date" was a plushie alpaca). Most likely it was a case of not being able to put in equal effort because of having other activities and falling behind the rest of the group.

>> No.10199058

>>10198965
Isn’t tea for lolcow tho lmao

>> No.10199061

>>10198749
I talked with one of the members and that’s not the case. They recorded it separately

>> No.10199112

>>10196143 (OP) #
Sorry if there’s a procedure but I don’t frequent this thread anymore; just wanted to suggest a change to the doc since Project Starlight isn’t doing LL anymore, mostly Sailor Moon and Vocaloid. You can still find their LL stuff they just aren’t putting anymore out.

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>>10198988
Juliane herself in the post mentioned behavior problems. Pic related.

On another note, I also would like to see more groups take out the personal element (I, we, etc.) for official statements. If you have feelings to express then do it elsewhere but otherwise it just feels weird. I notice a few groups do this.

>> No.10199175

>>10199129
I agree about the personal stuff, especially because she mentions “terminating her contract”. If they’re at that professional level of having a contract, it should remain 2nd/3rd person, not Julianne talking as herself.

>> No.10199202

at this rate I don't see why Julily continues to try and lead a group. She should stick to solo idol activities

>> No.10199225

I won’t go into previous allegations against Himeluka, if you really wanna know you can just look them up. However, I do know that she has been confronted about making people uncomfortable multiple times in the past. As a person she is friendly, passionate, and hardworking. But she has a habit of making comments (mostly sexual) that make people feel uncomfortable. She views herself as much older than she actually is (16), so she doesn’t see how making those kinds of comments put the adults around her in compromising situations and make them feel gross to have heard them from a minor. I’m not sure if that had to do with the reason why she left, but that would be my guess.

>> No.10199229

>>10199112
They're not even doing that. They have 'eras' and their current concept is monster girls. Not sure what the setlist is, though.

>> No.10199230

>>10199202
Same. She's got a great thing going, a group may actually hurt her

>> No.10199279

>>10199230
>>10199202
I agree, when I saw her group I just confused over anything. I get wanting to perform in a different way but it’s just hurting her by attaching her to this mess. Ambiflora will always be known as Julilys group and the mess makes her look bad.

>> No.10199287

>>10199279

It sucks cause Julily herself has so much star potential desu. I think this group was a mistake. Aren't there only two members left now anyway?

>> No.10199303

>>10199287
They recently added another member. But she is said to be a 'part-time' member.

>> No.10199313

>>10199303

i think it's time to disband to be honest

>> No.10199367

>>10199313
Yeah it's time to stop....

>> No.10200283

Astreal's debut video is up! Better audio quality here, in case you couldn't make out the instagram stream very well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8SEUdUtum0

>> No.10200290

>>10200283
This choreography is really nice, especially considering their age. I think Luna's dancing will get better as time goes on. If they can get a better mix and fine tune their instrumental tracks, they're going to be really good.
Glad that Stellure at least left us with this.

>> No.10200301

>>10200283
Lmao I can feel the Stellure shade in the lyrics though, but I like it a lot. The costume's are hella cute, glad everyone now has something that actually fits their bodytype

>> No.10200306

>>10200283
it's not bad, pretty catchy. There's room for improvement so I hope they keep at it.

>> No.10200312

>>10200283
This is cute. Instrumental is pretty good. There's definitely room for improvement and you can see that Polaris probably and Io have the choreo down the best, but still, it's cute. Here's hoping for the best for them.

Also, Luna's outfit is adorable.

>> No.10200370

>>10200283
Cute, very cute! Frankly, after Mimi’s hot mess of a goodbye letter, their lyrics could’ve been justified in being even shadier lol. They do need to work on all having the choreography down; Luna shouldn’t be touching her wig and Polaris, as the choreographer, should recognize where her teammates are struggling (ex. the two step then hip sway part) and guide them through the movements a bit more when practicing. All that being said, it’s a cute song that seems to foreshadow a positive future for these three. I could take or leave the song, but I’ll certainly be watching the video again because it’s so heartwarming to see them look so genuinely happy.

>> No.10200374

I’m a bit late, but since it was being discussed, what do you guys think of Julily’s post about Himeluka? Specifically, how she handled the situation?

Personally I think it was unnecessary to go that in depth with it, and it felt a bit harsh considering Himeluka was the co-leader and is still a child.

>> No.10200380

>>10200374
I agree. At the the of the day, Himeluka is a kid. It doesn't excuse her for anything she may have done to warrant her being kicked, but publicly putting her out like that seemed uncalled for.

>> No.10200385

>>10200380
I don’t think it was publicly kicking her out was bad. I think the way the announcement was done was bad.

>> No.10200386

I mean I feel like if she really felt the need to mention that Himeluka’s behavior was inappropriate it had to be something pretty serious. I don’t think julily is one to call people out without good reason. Who cares if she’s a kid? she still has responsibilities. if she wants to be seen as an adult then people should hold her to the same standard. that’s the reason why she’s so immature, is because no one holds her accountable lol

>> No.10200408

>>10200374
im just wondering if Luka will post a response or say anything at all. would love some more info or her side of the story rather than just taking Julilys very vague word for what happened.

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>>10200385

Agreed.

Reading it honestly gave me a laugh as awful as it sounds. It’s not out of malice of these girls situation, just how it was written and the context. It felt like she googled some business sentences to sound legit even though what’s being said comes across like a kid. It was handled poorly. I get wanting to be “professional” in your announcement but part of that it turned into blog posting.

It could of been a short and sweet paragraph of how they are letting himeluka go because of breaking her contract and that you wish her the best. If you want to be seen as a professional agency you don’t need to go into the details of why or how “you’re suffering”. Make the announcement and move on...that is professionalism.

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Unrelated to Ambiflora- but Astreal just posted their debut song today. It was pretty good, but Luna was definitely lacking. She’d do better with some extra practice I think. Vocals were okay.
I got curious and asked Polaris what they themed the lyrics on because it seemed like big shade at their previous leader Mimi. But turns out that might not be the case? Anyone have more info? (Pic related)

>> No.10200444

>>10200374
I'm starting to not like Julily. She gives off major 2-face vibes and the letter didn't help

>> No.10200452

>>10200444
God I'm so glad someone finally said it. This has been in the back of my mind since I found out about her. I don't know what it is about her, but she really irks me. Some of the things she says give off a real "holier-than-thou" attitude.

>> No.10200456

>>10200418
I think people have been reading too much into the Stellure disbandment and are too quick to make judgments. As usual. Lol

>> No.10200461

>>10200444
Tbh I feel like she is really in a defensive mindset right now. She has been posting a lot about how much stress she has been under and made it a huge point for people to not speculate and that she is tired of the gossip. Therefore that's probably why she kind went into too much detail when letting hime-luka go. Very much a 'look don't attack me for this' vibe. Her wording when dealing with situations has always been harsh and very frank. But I think she really needs to work on that when it deals with the image of other people. She makes it sound like a super serious, professional issue with words like "terminating her contract". Like chill lol Kinda puts people off.

>> No.10200519

Hello everyone, I've been reading your feedback and I just want to say that I'm taking your words into consideration. I know I shouldn't be on these threads but sometimes people are intimidated to offer their true opinions to me directly and unfortunately, this is one way of getting them. I apologize for getting swept up in my emotions and I will try to do better to keep my ego in check. Sometimes it's tough for me to filter out what I say. It's also tough since I don't have a manager to keep me in line so I have to manage myself. I'll do better to work on my delivery. I've also been reflecting a lot on my behavior, it's not my intention to offend or do any harm. I'm sorry for all of that. As always, thank you for your honesty. I want to learn from my mistakes.

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>>10200519
Glad to see you following your own rules.

>> No.10200561

>>10200283
Oh, this reminded me of a little pet peeve of mine, if you have a white petticoat under your costume you should make sure to have white bloomers or bike shorts under them. It's really distracting for me if they spin and one member has black peeking through, especially on such bright costumes.

>> No.10200568

>>10200557

Those rules are for the discord and the facebook group, it just means don't bring drama from here to there and vice versa. It doesn't prohibit OIC members from posting here, a lot of us know we do.

>> No.10200572

>>10200568
It really doesn't matter what the rules are for. If your membership rules say that you shouldn't be talking about 4chan boards, why would you actively come and post on one? What kind of image does that reflect on your community? You're barring any kind of discussion of these threads and yet you're the one coming and putting your name out as a poster? It's just bad taste and bad reflection on your community that you've cultivated to be supposedly above this shit.

>>10200519
If you're trying to work on your shit, this isn't the place to do it, regardless of the "feedback" you get. Quit sullying your brand and public opinion by posting on 4chan and grow up. Get your shit together and start taking care of yourself and the responsibilities you already have in place as a soloist and the founder of OIC. Ambiflora was a mistake and just continues to be a joke. If you were going to make this many lineup changes so soon after launch/debut, you should have screened your contracted members better or pushed the whole project back. You need a wild reality and priority check.

>> No.10200576

Tired reminder that while this is most likely Julily, it could also be literally anyone putting “julily” into the name box. The beauty of 4c is that things are easily anon and without established trip, it isn’t confirmed that statement is hers. Js.

>> No.10200577

>>10200572

She and a few other members have posted here using their names. It's really not uncommon and almost no one in the community considers it tarnishing one's reputation to be posting here. I hate to drag up a tired meme, but you must be actually new here if this is scandalous to you.

>> No.10200581

>>10200577
Going off of this, it’s honestly smart to use an anon board for critique because you’ll get some of the most blunt feedback here. Your friends/peers won’t tell you where you fuck up, but 4chan definitely will.

>> No.10200582

>>10200519

Allow me to bring you back down to earth since you started your apology swinging.

Nobody is obligated to give you their opinions to your face or spoon feed you solutions. What you confuse for intimidation is mainly people not giving enough of a thought about your overall success to even want to message you directly.

If you actually took what people said in this thread seriously you wouldn’t have felt the need to comment, you would have made a mental note and moved on. You’re an adult, you should be able to control your emotions. Some of us here have an actual career that requires us to make business emails or interact with difficult people. They don’t blow up and if you’re striving for professionalism neither should you.You don’t need a manager to not be a hot head and it’s truly pathetic if you think you do. If you’re that incapable of that you could of even had a friend with a level head to respond for you.

We’re not your managers, and you don’t need one. If you have enough critical thinking and do research you will be fine. My one piece of advice is, an idol is still a public figure. In the age of social media I shouldn’t have to tell you having a good personality and charisma can honestly make you. If you’re trying to go for this “lovable, mature sweetheart” idol personality you’re failing beyond repair.

>> No.10200583

>>10200577
P sure anon meant that she’s disregarding her own rules and that makes her look bad. If she doesn’t want anyone even bringing up things abt 4chan why is it okay for her to actually post here.

Anyway, I think Julily needs to stop acting like a big shot. She isn’t a superstar. She isn’t even THAT popular. And personally, i think she’s mediocre as a singer and dancer.

>> No.10200585

>>10200581
I really don’t like this idea at all, and it gets thrown around on here a lot. Plenty of people will be honest with you and give good feedback right to your face. If you think the only way to get honest feedback is on 4chan you just need better people in your life

>> No.10200589

>>10200561
Oh yeah, that's a detail that's easy to not think about but it really does make a difference. I saw a video of myself dancing with black shorts underneath, and it bothered me so much I now layer white shorts over white tights just so everything's in place. I don't even care about not having the zettai ryouiki as long as I can look okay when I spin lol

>> No.10200612

>>10200519
Listen, you don't need to apologise to a bunch of anons. You don't need to keep justifying your actions. People are going to think and speculate and gossip whether you want them to or not. Commenting here and trying to do damage control is not going to ever help your case. If you want to look on here, be prepared to handle whatever you might read and leave it at that. Use it to be better. Take it into consideration and move on. Prove who you are through your actions. Cause words won't mean anything.

>> No.10200657

>>10200519
I understand wanting to be professional, and I'm glad you're getting feedback, albeit anonymously.....
Just remember that though you're passionate, this is a thing/ hobby/ passion with real people who have real emotions like you. Try and keep in mind how you'd want someone to approach you in circumstances and use that.

Also.... Give up AmbiFlora, or at least have them work some more. You're much too good to be having a group possibly kill your potential like this, and at the rather the group is going, it's gonna hurt you.

>> No.10200659

>>10200568
Any OIC member who claims to not look at this board/ post on this board is lying and may the aidoru gods punish them with a sore ankle for a week

>> No.10200660

>>10200576
Regardless, it's known that Julily comes here so even IF that's not her, she may read the threads and still take the constructive feedback to heart.....

>> No.10200661

>>10200581
Hence why I love this board personally. I know people who "like me" will try not to hurt my feelings, but here, my feelings are stomped on and burned. I'm ok with that since you can't grow with just asspats

>> No.10200663

>>10200589
I may have to start doing this, since one of my skirts is pink o.o

>> No.10200693

>>10200519
I feel like this is julily based on the way this is written but even if it’s not, only one thing matters: Juliane doesn’t listen. This not the first time someone’s told her she needs to change the way she approaches written works (remember the “Idol 101” posts or whatever?). At that time she also either came on here or somewhere else and said she was editing it to be better. I understand wanting professionalism, but unless you have some kind of professional background or help, stop. This goes for all idol groups: just stop. If you’ve never had to experience or work in a professional or managerial field, stop. You don’t know how to write and it comes off as holier than thou.

As others have said too, let AmbiFlora go. For some reasons your groups do not work out and you should’ve noticed that by now. Just stay solo. That’s what works best and you can be as first person as you want. You’re not cut out for group activities, Julily. Just come to terms with it already.

>> No.10200710

>>10199225
..... I couldn't imagine doing idol activities in America with a 16 year old...... It's not them perse it's just... Uncomfortable

>> No.10200712

>>10200452
Well I mean you can't just put out this sweet wholesome girl next down vibe, and do shitty things like put a literal child on blast (even if it was warranted a simple "she can't sit with us" would have sufficed). It just makes her look really bad and unprofessional.

>>10200461
I can understand her being defensive, but at the end of the day, if you're gonna do it, do it, say one or two sentences and be done. This route made her look worse, and definitely put me off like you said

>> No.10200763

From what I remember, Julily also voices in a net-idol group, and honestly I think that's the way to go if she wants to continue being in a group

>> No.10200766

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember there being a comment with criticism left on Flusay Girl's mv. I went back today to check the views and there's nothing but positive comments. Is it more likely that OP deleted or that the group deleted it?

>> No.10200796

>>10200766
The group responded positively to it, right? (Like 'thank you for your feedback, we'll work hard') So OP might've deleted it. Or they just didn't see the point in keeping it there after responding to it, so the group deleted. Either seems likely, but not done out of malice.

>> No.10200816

>>10200661
this is bullshit lol you just want justification for coming here and being mean to others too

a good performer can tell where their faults are, first of all. a lot of the shit that gets said here is stuff the performers already fucking know and want to improve on. having people say it hatefully and hidden under anon does not help them

if this is true for you, then i suggest; being more fucking self aware of your faults AND getting some adult friends who can give you good critique. it’s not hard to find them like >>10200585
said. ya’ll are just so desperate to validate 4chan it’s embarrassing

>> No.10200827

>>10200816
If performers knew what to improve on, why do some keep making the same mistakes and bad content over and over? I get growth takes time, but that ain't it chief

>> No.10200853

>>10200581
I do not agree and think people really need to drop this mentality. You really do not need anonymous gossip on cgl to become a better idol. If someone's shit talk about you really is a large driving factor in your idol career, I think there is a huge fundamental issue with yourself that you need to step back and evaluate. You can grow by watching and being inspired by other things or other idols, friends, a whole slew of things. This 4ch board didn't start so insecure idols can give "feedback" to each other. This is not a feedback thread. This is a place where anyone can say anything they want about a topic with a community of people who also share interest in that topic. It's not "net idol feedback", it's just "net idol / odottemita" as a topic. Being able to take gossip about your performances doesn't inherently make you skilled, and these new and young girls don't need to stumble their way into this board for "feedback" when things like their weight or appearance may be picked at, or their confidence may be destroyed from the start because you high and mighty "idols" think this is an appropriate form of feedback. You do not need to be on these threads to better yourself. You can always open an anon feedback form of your own if critique is your honest want. Some of you need to stop pretending though that you're here to "better yourself" and not that you want to be up to date on all the latest idol gossip. Some of you need to take a good hard honest look at yourselves. And some other of you need to stop trying to make this board what it isn't. This is not some wholesome place. Doesn't mean you can't be nice or get real feedback, but you shouldn't expect it.

>> No.10200897

>>10200816
I'm so sorry that someone hurt your feelings on here. That must be horrible for you.....

>> No.10200906

I do think the comments here CAN and helpful, but I do agree that no idol should be relying on 4chan for constructive criticism. If you ACTUALLY want to better yourself - then ask for it. If you think people won’t say it to your face then make an anonymous form for people to fill in. It’s not rocket science.

>> No.10200929

Everyone keeps saying Julily should drop her groups and stay solo because she has so much “potential” there. Even if Julily stays solo, I don’t think she’s good enough to do anything worthwhile or special.

>> No.10200940

>>10200929
I agree, but it's the matter of spreading yourself thin. Putting her efforts into a shitty group with minors is a waste of time. Focus on yourself and do whats best for you. People clearly seem to support her more a soloist, so even if we dont think its that great or worth our time, at least shes going to have a more positive outcome for it, and isnt that what shes looking for at the end of the day? Positive attention to further inflate her massively conceited ego?

>> No.10201164

>>10200897
This is 4Chan. The place where shit talking is perfectly legal not.

>> No.10201165

>>10200906
Tellonym is something!

>> No.10201219

>>10200929

Honestly her dancing isn't bad. I've seen some of her vids before and her moves seem sharp

>> No.10201229

>>10200816
>this is bullshit lol you just want justification for coming here and being mean to others too
If you want good con crit go to the people in the community WHO GIVE GOOD CON CRIT. There are people in oic who consistently comment on videos and give it to you if you ask. "this is a hot mess" or "this is so ugly" is not constructive criticism. That's all you get here.

>> No.10201235

>>10200827
I disagree, I think most people in the community DONT ask for feedback, especially the more experienced people. The only people who post in critique me or ask for con crit on their videos are the newbie. You can always improve no matter what level.

>> No.10201237

>>10200853
fucking this. I'm here for tea. If I want real conversations I'll do it with my name attached

>> No.10201242

>>10200929
If she would just put her energy into one thing it wouldn't be an issue. She'd be a great CEO of OIC if she would actually participate. But like she doesn't. I just want the mentorship program and we've been asking for months and haven't heard shit from anyone on staff

>> No.10201264

I know y'all have said that these threads aren't good for actual constructive criticism but in the last thread there was some pretty good vocal/singing tips being shared around. i do think you shouldn't place all your worth as an idol in this thread but sometimes there's some good info/criticism/tips shared

>> No.10201277

>>10200283
i actually like their group way better than their stellure stuff. the singing is pretty good and the music is okay. I really hope to see some improvements.

>> No.10201278

>>10201264
I think this thread is good for tips, tricks, and technical criticism, not thinking you’re ugly because an anon called you fat or something. Don’t take physical criticism from anonymous people on 4chan. Some of us are just salty.

>> No.10201281

>>10200283
Aww I hope them luck, yellow seems like the best dancer. I never followed Stellure much but isn't only the green one from that group?

>> No.10201283

>>10200444
>>10200452
same i've been feeling like that since she added me on her public facebook and i found out her being an idol

>> No.10201310

>>10196636
>depression and anxiety
I'm sick of people acting like those are the only mental illnesses that exist.

>> No.10201311

>>10201281
The green one is the only original member (of the original 6) that’s in this group. The other two were in Stellure too but they were added from auditions.

>> No.10201314

>>10201310
We know there’s more but if we’re calling people out, include the idols. They only focus on those two. They mainly focus on depression and anxiety because they like to believe they have them.

>> No.10201355

A thought: maybe dont kick a member of your group who literally never posted in OIC from the server just because you decided to kick her from your idol group without consulting any of the other members...its not a good look.

Ambiflora had potentional, it makes me sad to see this sort of bs

>> No.10201438

>>10201237
Tea belongs on lolcow sweetheart

>> No.10201459

>>10201229
Oh please, that's not ALL you get here.

>> No.10201461

>>10201242
Agreed. She hardly posts and it's kind of disheartening.
Julily, if you see this, please interact with us more....

>> No.10201462

I agree with other anons that if you want anon feedback get an account like tellonym or curiouscat

4chan sucks bc you can’t acknowledge anything or defend yourself when people decide to say stupid, baseless gossip. at least with tellonym you can respond. anyone who actually wants you to improve will message you there, not here

>> No.10201468

>>10201310
>>10201314
It's the most relatable one....
KH did a song that expressed a different illness, and people cringed at it (I guess bad delivery? It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't that good either).

>> No.10201469

>>10201355
She kicked her from the server too??? Does anyone know what rule she broke yet??? Can someone outline the info for what happened because I thought she just made a bad post about it. Idk if I wanna support oic anymore

>> No.10201470

>>10201355
Woah, woah, woah, what's all this???
Is there something you're trying to share with the class?

>> No.10201476

>>10201469
Please keep supporting us....
Julily isn't the whole nor is she really the face; I promise, there are others who are working hard to keep OIC floating and lot of idols and groups that want your support....

>> No.10201477

>>10201355
Kicking her from the server too seems a little too much. She really musta messed up or someone overreacted.

>> No.10201484

Am I the only one who thinks that this situation was handled reasonably? While it’s true that we don’t know what Himeluka did to warrant being booted, I didn’t see Julily’s statement to be problematic in the slightest.

>> No.10201490

Julily has always come off as egotistical to me after I saw her arguing with a(n obvious) child on her idol insta about whether or not certain people were allowed to use the term 'net idol'.

Though she made points I agreed with, it's a bad look when you're arguing with some kid on your official account..

>> No.10201494

>>10201484
yeah I mean while is WAS a tad unprofessional, it wouldn’t be the first (and it definitely won’t be the last) time an overseas/LL group has mentioned misbehavior in their reasoning for letting a member go. I mean I know you guys SAY you would rather it be left at just “we’re letting her go” but in reality everyone here is BEGGING for the tea. people would be left wondering what Himeluka did wrong regardless of what Julily said lol

>> No.10201496

>>10201484

desu it wasn't problematic to me, just felt weird that the statement used personal pronouns but then also tried to come off as professional and collective.

>> No.10201500

>>10201494

I think a simple "Himeluka is graduating" probably would have avoided most of this

>> No.10201511

>>10201500
Agree

>> No.10201539

>>10201494
There was no reason for an adult to put so much blame on a child like that, it was totally out of line... We all want to know the tea so we know if all of our bad vibes from Julily are real. If she said she just graduated the group we wouldn’t care this much... a lot of people think Julily is a bitch and want to know if it’s true bts too.

>> No.10201580

>>10201539
That's what I thought, why in the world would you put that much blame on a child who isn't even a junior in high school (assuming by age)??

>> No.10201619

A big difference is whenever a member leaves a group that’s posted about here, one of two things is true.
>it’s handled poorly and someone starts being cryptic
>it’s handled well and people just say oh okay
When Chiyo graduated, everyone was just shocked because they just debuted. But there was no long winded post. It was just an Instagram post. But Julily felt the need to make a 5 paragraph post using 1st person pronouns and saying herself “it feels bad but it had to be done because she broke the rules and had behavior issues.” If she would’ve just left it at “we have to say goodbye to Himeluka,” nobody would care unless someone here said there’s a deeper reason.

TL;DR: Julily’s own posting is the catalyst here. A simple she’s gone would’ve sufficed.

>> No.10201679

>>10201355
Has she actually said she was kicked? There is always the chance that she just left on her own.

>>10201462
I still think google forms are a good option too, that way you don’t have to publicise anything that’s said. Tellonym/curiouscat can get swamped in hate pretty fast

>> No.10201709

Speculating without more info is hard. I think none of us are really close with whats going on with the HimeLuka thing.

But thats what makes it worse? We have no context, no choice but to speculate, and all it does is make Julily look bad. Just say the member is graduating or leaving, we dont need to know that she broke rules. Shes a child. At least kick her out with the chance for her to learn and grow instead of trying to push her out of the community and make it difficult for her to do work on her own since everyones just going to think she did something terrible, when it may have not been that deep.

>> No.10201738

Honestly, what child hasn't broken the rules. If it was something bad, she's old enough to know better, if it was something small, Julily heavily overreacted. There's no win-win situation here. Julily's post made everyone look bad, and that's the biggest mistake you can make. (I believe that an idol's image is everything. No one will care about your product if everyone thinks you're a bitch)
Paired along with her half-assed apology, there's really no way to fully come back from this. Ambiflora's image has been burned to the ground. It's time to let go and move on.

>> No.10201859

>>10201242
Same. I've been wondering about the mentorship program and I've seen other people posting about it but nothing

>> No.10201880

Ice Qream posted their Kokoro no Tamago video! I’m sad, because I love KKnT and love Ice Qream, but this video seems much...sloppier? Than their usual ones. There are some big timing issues and some pretty poor move executions.
https://youtu.be/qz-hGfCC2oI

>> No.10201883

>>10201859
What are the previous trainees doing now? Have any of them debuted? I’m curious to see if they improved any

>> No.10201900

have any groups tried to do original kpop style songs?

>> No.10201906

>>10201880
Kinda makes me laugh that they always record in a corner. Lol

>> No.10201962

>>10201859
From what I heard the first round of the mentorship program was a poorly organized disaster. Hopefully they can clean it up before they try it again.

>> No.10201993

>>10201900
I don’t think so. Not recently at least. The closest would be 4Te’s Leave A Message and that was years go. They also kind of had the budget to do so in a decent way.

>> No.10202062

>>10201438
You must be new lol

>> No.10202065

>>10201900
Kpop kind of deviates away from idols so not really?

>> No.10202082

So, in light of all of this ambiflora stuff, and julily saying she’s her own ‘manager’ and things along those lines, I really don’t see how she expects people to believe her and ambiflora are professional and mature when she shoves herself into a child’s cart on the ambiflora Instagram story, trashed other idol groups on their first stories and other things along those lines. Julily is 26, acting like a 10 year old left alone with a group of friends for the first time. Yet she viciously goes after a god damn 17 year old all because she got her feelings hurt? I cannot believe how low she’s gotten, ambiflora is really really showing julilys true colors.
She only cares about herself, she just uses other people and groups to lift herself higher. It’s pathetic.

>> No.10202100

>>10202082

i think the only way she could fix this is to just drop the group and lay low for a while

>> No.10202103

>>10202062
Well in the rules Drama ain’t allowed here lmao

>> No.10202104

>>10202082
>trashed other idol groups on their first stories and other things along those lines
Please explain lmao. They didn’t trash anyone. They made jokes and the groups involved had 0 issue with them unless you have some insider information. They were clearly lighthearted jokes.

>> No.10202112

Will super rare ever do anything? The first time they’ve posted in months on Facebook was to promote their member entering a fashion contest.

>> No.10202117

>>10202065
How? There are literal kpop idols...

>> No.10202117,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>10201883
i know most of them have already been active in the FL scene prior to joining the mentorship. Poppy's dancing seems to have gotten less stiff and more energetic since then, Yua seems more confident performing in general (although I'm not sure if thats a result of the mentorship program or just experience), Risa Rosé debuted recently, and there's 2 members of Mystic Wish which I know also debuted together in the group last year, although footage from their performances seem rare. Based off Youtube covers, it seems like Sainty's vocals got a little better since the cover she submitted at the end of the program. San is already a pretty well-established performer as well imo. Overall, I think the program is pretty helpful to some degree and it honestly is frustrating that there's no updates on the next season. Would love to see how others develop through it. Lord knows this scene needs all the help it can get.

>> No.10202140

>>10202112

Probably not lol

>> No.10202148

>>10202082
AmbiFlora is going to be her own undoing, as will her attitude, fakeness and general unprofessionalism. It's her own fault if her idol world crumbles.

Julily, I know you're seeing this: give up AmbiFlora and focus on yourself. This isn't going to end well for anyone

>> No.10202152

>>10202117
There's sexy K-pop and then there's cutesy J-Pop.
I think we should leave K-pop to the groups who know how to actually be sexy

>> No.10202167

Alex Pinku posted a video on her twitter earlier, and I'm a little disappointed. The dress looks great and all, but her head voice is still horribly lacking. She sounds like she's singing through her nose and super nasally. She's sung Miku/Vocaloid songs before, and it's just kind of hard to listen to. The pitch is so high and vastly out of her range that she really should be pitching them lower or not singing them at all. She also sounds like she's pulling back on high notes, or losing her breath, because any power she could have just disappears immediately. The further I go into watching this the more I realize that she's probably never actually tried to focus on technique and is just singing for the sake of it. Even with the mic right in front of her mouth, you can barely hear her towards the end of her lines. It's really depressing because she's a very kind girl and I'd like to see her do well, but if she doesn't have any intention of improving then why should I bother supporting her.

>> No.10202168

>>10202152
Kpop isn't only sexy tho and there's plenty of jpop idols who have this concept as well.
Saying they're not idols because they're "sexy" is a bit...

>> No.10202170

>>10202168
No one said they're not idols tho....

>> No.10202172

>>10202152
Yeah, kpop groups are not uniformly sexy, and not all Jpop groups have the image of a pure cutesy idol. Besides, applying that concept to overseas idol is stifling and repetitive. I'm a little tired of overseas idols forcing themselves to be the kawaii girl in a fluffy skirt because they think that's all a true idol is. As much as I love cute girls, there's a lot of genres, styles, and concepts that fall under the umbrella of "idol". If a group wants to push for a sexier concept, I'm not going to label them as strictly kpop inspired or say they're not idols.

>> No.10202178

>>10201880
I think I’m the video description they mention this is an older recording that they’re only just releasing now. I agree, but you can tell how much more they put into production now versus then which is nice improvement to see.

>> No.10202181

>>10201962
One of my friends was a mentor and her mentee dropped 3/4s of the way through which was disappointing. She really wants to try again but I think it’s hard to tell who you let in as a mentee because mentors obviously you have to show your credentials and prove you have skills to share where as if a mentee has nothing... well that’s the whole point, and that’s why they’re in the program in the first place. But then if they get, and don’t do anything or take advantage of the mentor and what they’re offering, then it’s hard for the program to be successful. I can’t say much for how the other mentees/mentors went but I know that one pair had a rough time.

>> No.10202184

>>10202167

isnt she also covering a hatsune miku song? those are usually difficult to cover

>> No.10202188

>>10201880
Does anyone know when this dance was filmed by the way?
One of the recent posts said “They actually record they 1010 -Toto- cover a couple of months after Kokoro no Tamago”
I know that was released a few months ago, and they posted pictures with the same background in January, so I’m guessing they filmed in December or early January?

Is it normal for groups to usually wait that long to upload a cover? I found 6 months to be a bit odd but I don’t know if that’s just me

>> No.10202190

>>10202170
>Kpop kind of deviates away from idols
Uhh then what's this?

>> No.10202215

>>10202184
Yeah, she's singing World Is Mine. Which is already ridiculously artificial, but the pitch in general is high, so unless your head voice is naturally your strongest style, there's no way a cover of this would be good.

>> No.10202265

>>10202181
I'm glad I opted not to do the mentor/ mentee program.
I've got the patience of an angry chihuahua..... Dropping out would have pissed me off

>> No.10202267

>>10202215
Maybe if the person takes it down an octave or two, or transpose the key down two full steps, they could stand a chance at it being decent.

>> No.10202275

>>10202215
instagram.com/p/Bt12Gllnt6A/?igshid=11c23wx3zu4wj

This is Shae from Love Notes after singing for a year, I didn’t know it was that hard of a song but now that I do I think she did a good job for a beginner

>> No.10202345

>>10202117
Yes but kpop idols and jpop idols are completely different breeds of "idols".

>> No.10202366

So I know a girl who is trying to form a new non-LoveLive cover group. Her stage presence, singing, and dancing, are all bland at best, and the people she normally performs with are kind of embarrassing to watch.
I've always wanted to join a cover idol group, and I think this might be a good chance, but I can't tell if it's worth it to push through the cringe. The concept of the group is also really niche and weird and I don't know if it works within the oversea idol comm.
Any advice? I'm very much a beginner, and I know beggars can't be choosers, but I don't know if I should hold out for another opportunity or not.

>> No.10202441

>>10202275
No she didn’t. She’s screaming and yelling in this like a motherfucker. World is Mine is a song I sang a few times since I started singing (2013). If I tried now I’d be better than I was but it’s still fairly difficult for me. You have to have proper training and a dash of pure luck to sing this song properly. Give Shae another year or two to improve (if she wants to) and you’ll notice a difference in how she sings.

>> No.10202442

>>10202366
Everyone at song point has an embarrassing stage. Do it now.

>> No.10202450
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10202450

Amaitsuki - Kisoku Tadashiku Utsukushiku (ANGERME)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcW10DBaAhw

Crystal Rose - Brand New Me MV Teaser (Original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIDwopLd0rI

μsa! - Full Performance @ FanimeCon2019 Stage Zero (Love Live!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyuNCnQ9JfY

Nanairo no Sora (Naira) - Tachiagare! (Wake Up, Girls!) / Metamorphosis (Original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9FC_wrFod0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHy1PDbe-3M

Sélène - Starry Wings (Original)
https://seleneidol.bandcamp.com/album/starry-wings
https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/slne/starry-wings

Star*Cluster - Tsugitsugi Zokuzoku (ANGERME)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRiJR0Zf7o0

Unmei Idols - Full Performance @ Animecon 2019 (Love Live!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsdsAS4bn3k

>>10202366
>The concept of the group is also really niche and weird and I don't know if it works within the oversea idol comm.
Personally, I think some more conceptually-niche net idol groups would be pretty interesting depending on how well they utilize their theme.

>I've always wanted to join a cover idol group, and I think this might be a good chance, but I can't tell if it's worth it to push through the cringe.
It doesn't sound like you would enjoy being a part of this particular group very much. Are you not interested in performing as a soloist? Or maybe forming your own group and having one of the members you recruit be the managerial figure?

>>10201883
>What are the previous trainees doing now? Have any of them debuted?
There's this playlist of OIC's Spring 2019 trainees' videos.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLshazesLREwd5YoSesiMJA9s5wmvwJqfF

>> No.10202516

>>10202345
They really aren't that different. Kpop training is a lot more visious and jpop focuses more on entertainment, but at the end of the day, they're still people performing. Just because there are cultural differences doesn't give people the right to say that one party isn't an idol. That's the problem with that comment.

>> No.10202533

>>10202516
Personally I think that overseas idols should incorporate a bit from both worlds anyway. None of this purest crap. Lol

>> No.10202539

>>10202533
You are so valid

>> No.10202578

Bit random, but recently I've had to quit idol activities due to unforeseen circumstances, but I still want to be apart of the community. I can't perform on stage, but I have a lot of useful skills like drawing, graphic design, audio and sound mixing, video editing, ect. I want to try staffing for an idol group but I have no idea how to go about finding one that needs staff. Any ideas where to start looking?

>> No.10202586

>>10202578
If you’re in the OIC Discord then keep an eye out there, you could also just post a throwaway email here and see if anyone contacts you?

>> No.10202593

>>10202578

So basically you want to their director and producer. I’d encourage you to post some of your work and leave a contact email. Another alternative would just be reaching out to potential groups you like and simply offer your service.

>> No.10202598

>>10202578
>>10202578
I’m aiming to debut as a soloist in the fall and could really use someone experienced with those kinds of skills on my team! The only things I can bring to the table is singing (decently but not great), dancing, choreography, and some logo/ illustrative skills. I’m clueless on the songwriting process and mixing though. Would you be open to working with a soloist, or only a group?

>> No.10202599

>>10202578
I work with an online idol group,bouquettes, who really needs more staff,we have one original song up and a few more in production, would you be interested in working with us?

>> No.10202609

>>10202275
keep in mind she wasn't singing it live here, it was prerecorded.

>> No.10202621

>>10202598
>>10202599
I'd be interested in both! I have a lot of free time right now so I think I could manage staffing for two different idols.
As it was mentioned, here's some examples of my graphic design and artwork (it's no pro website, but I hope it works!): https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17IyL6j5Ip_MK1n7kch9zfzbNnuDDw0fQ?usp=sharing

Also, if you wish to contact me, you can at my email zappy1202@gmail.com

Thank you everyone for being so quick! This is really awesome!

>> No.10202622

>>10202533
Honestly this. A lot of these overseas idols need more hardcore training than just "do ur best and mistakes are cute!! ecksdee" if they want to be taken as seriously as they demand. A lot of these groups should be working on sync, which kpop is known for, vocals notwithstanding. I think I see synchronicity as one of the main complaints here anyway.

>>10202345
The only real differences are language, training, and fan interaction. Kpop idols can train for
Anywhere 1-10 years before and may never debut and they have incredibly rigorous auditions. But let's be real here, a lot of overseas idols need more rigorous training if they're trying to be taken seriously.

>> No.10202626

>>10202578
A lot of nice idol group would benefit to have a staff member. I know that a lot of them do everything by themselves. Don't hesitate to contact some idols groups. Even if you think they are popular or too well established to need staff, most of them would probably be happy to give out a bit of their workload!

>> No.10202632

>>10202533
From K-Pop - Pushing yourself to perform to the best of your ability, practicing until you’re utterly confident in your routines

From J-Pop - Remember that it’s ok to be imperfect, as that’s part of your charm.

>> No.10202635

>>10202621
Thanks for the portfolio I'll talk with the other members about you joining the team, you mentioned you can do mixes ect, do you have any examples?

>> No.10202661

>>10202626
I'll try that as well! Thank you so much!

>>10202635
I uploaded some of them to the link I had shared before. I've mixed vocals as well before but I don't have any of those files atm.
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/4hoh015drju51/LoveLive_Audio_Mixes
I have a video I can show too to display my video skills but it has voice acting and its cringy af so I'd rather dm that.

>> No.10202704

>>10202609
She’s using backing vocals and singing over them, melancholia and a few others do it. You can tell if you listen closely. What are people’s opinions of backing vocals? Is that cheating? I know a lot of professional k pop groups use them

>> No.10202706

>>10202704
It's cheating in a way since it makes everything sound much better because it hides flubs, but as long as they're not trying to say that they're doing it 100% live I don't see an issue

>> No.10202793

>>10202704
Where's her mic then? Even a headset would require wires somewhere.

There's nothing wrong with backing vocals or even pre-recording as long as the performer isn't trying to be deceitful about it.

>> No.10202801

>>10202706
I don't mind them, as long as they don't say their doing it fully live, like other anon said.
I actually prefer if rookies use them, so that they can focus on their state charisma and dance. Unless they're trained well, trying to focus on doing everything perfectly will most likely result in a messy/medio mediocre performance.
Seniors on the other hand, unless they're performing a lot of songs or have super difficult choreography, I don't think they get a pass. They've been in the game long enough to know how to have stable vocals while doing everything else. I don't have as much respect for them if they do it, but I won't heckle them either.

>> No.10202802

>>10202801
Replied to the wrong anon fuck

This was meant for >>10202704

>> No.10202804

>>10202801
Also excuse all the typos ughh that'll teach me to not post on mobile

>> No.10202862

>>10202793
I checked the TIF livestream because i’m thinking about getting a headset and she’s definitely using one based on her MCs in between songs. Anyone know how she’s hiding the wires?

>> No.10202867

Saw this group's live announcement posted a while back on this thread, their full setlist is now online https://youtu.be/wsdsAS4bn3k

>> No.10202892

>>10202867
they should've stuck to love live

>> No.10202986

Anyone remember that net idol podcast on Twitch? I wish they'd do more of that. It seemed genuinely interesting

>> No.10203052

>>10202867

Does anyone else get bored of watching net-idols perform and just lip-sync? Might be just me but I can barely get through that video

>> No.10203058

>>10203052
I feel half and half on it. If they're awful vocalists I'm more likely to watch a cute dance instead. But I definitely snap to attention for good vocals.

>> No.10203064

>>10203058

For me it's not even if the vocals are good, I'm just more likely to pay attention if someone is making an attempt at singing live.

>> No.10203183

>>10203052
if fun if the dancing is energetic, if they lack energy or some type of charisma then I get bored easily.

>> No.10203204

>>10203064
Me too, for example I really enjoy covers of Kimi Wazurai, eventhough it's not fast paced and with not a lot of dance, I really like the song and enjoy seeing them try their best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2WLeZ8iMUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQCiSSVG2cI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qILqSiABf7U

>> No.10203213

>>10203204

i like this kimi wazurai cover too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5a5uA2xhG0

>> No.10203400

Natsuiro Party is disbanding on the 29th and will be holding on live on the same day.

>> No.10203439

A-Kon in Texas is about to happen and the schedule dropped. It looks like theres tons of idol groups and solo idols with panels this year, really rare for this convention desu

>> No.10203467

>>10203204
you like having your ears bleed?
out of all of these girls maybe 3 can stay on pitch
why would anyone give them a stage?

>> No.10203703

>>10203439
I didn't understand that desu. Why opt for 15 small groups when you could have one event blocked for all 15?
This just seemed stupid

>> No.10203707

>>10203703
I have a feeling like maybe they didn't have enough panel submissions or something. Then again, I would've preferred them to accept less fan panels? several guests have no programming at all. Also a lot of idol panels are back to back to back. It makes it really difficult for people who might support multiple groups.

>> No.10203819

>>10203707
The scheduling was so weird. I'm actually glad I didn't opt to go this year, that kind of stress and headac would have just been way too much.

>> No.10204037

Hey so I have a question

What do you think is stopping net idols from pursuing more mainstream popularity? I think it'd be as simple as dropping the weeb act and only releasing songs in english, but not many groups/net idols seem to want to do that.

Why do you think that is?

>> No.10204054

>>10202986
Well there aren’t any net idols that are also twitch streamers so I doubt that will ever come back

>> No.10204071

>>10204037

>What do you think is stopping net idols from pursuing more mainstream popularity

Lack of talent, looks, charisma, and people just releasing half ass content.

It doesn’t matter if anyone wants to go mainstream because at the end of the day viewers decide if you make it big not you. Taking the weeby aspects out of it just leaves everyone here basically singing pop. There’s people on YouTube right now who have grownup dancing, singing, making costume designs etc. Not only are they talented the viewer likes their personality. I’m sure we follow people who do videos that and were drawn to them doing something mundane. The closest to mainstream idols are going to get would be being popular within the anime scene because who else but weebs would appreciate this?

>> No.10204086

>>10204071

i think the biggest problem is net idols releasing half ass content desu

>> No.10204148

>>10204037

what's stopping them is their own lack of self awareness.

>> No.10204187

>>10204037
They lack conviction and desire for quality. They’re doing it “for fun,” and even the ones releasing music don’t do it in a professional manner. Dropping the weeb act & releasing songs in English is basically just pop music as >>10204071 said. However, if someone actually learns Japanese and tries to put in effort and promote I don’t think it’s an issue.

>> No.10204195

>>10204187

on that note im pretty sure most net-idols cant read/speak japanese for shit lol

>> No.10204206

>>10204187
I agree with you that they should try and take it seriously and be professional even if it's done for fun, but I don't feel like they should have to learn Japanese for it not to be "an issue". Unless someone is literally promoting themselves as a Japanese idol, then is it a big deal if their music is in their native language? I'm not trying to sound hostile I just genuinely want to hear your thoughts on the language thing, because I swear I've seen comments on these threads also saying that it's cringy and appropriative to make songs in Japanese when it's not your language.

>> No.10204220

>>10204206

For me it's just cringe-worthy when they release songs in japanese but then don't actually know basic japanese (typing/speaking).

>> No.10204231

>>10204206
>but I don't feel like they should have to learn Japanese for it not to be "an issue"
You’re right in this but my perspective was more towards when groups (such as Crystal Rose or Minty POP Girls) write English songs but have random Japanese words/phrases. They put it in because it’s cute. Not because they’re familiar with the language.

>I've seen comments on these threads also saying that it's cringy and appropriative to make songs in Japanese when it's not your language.
Like >>10204220, I think most people only have an issue with it if it’s not their language. I also find issue with it when someone just uses google translate and then posts online. Personally, it’s no different than when a popular group or an indie group in Japan posts in English or Korean or Chinese. It’s not their language so why are they doing it?

If you want to reach a broader audience, you have to connect with them in some way. I just wish more people would actually learn the languages and say they’re learning rather than add something here and there to seem cute or different.

>> No.10204233

>>10204231
Wow I’m dumb. I meant they only have issue when they don’t know the language or bother to learn.

>> No.10204525

>>10204187
Then what about interlunium?Is it the online idol aspect?Because they have a huge budget (for a net idol group) and quality.

>> No.10204538

>>10204525
Like I said at the end, if they know the language and are putting effort into it then it’s not an issue. Interlunium has also said their first single was basically completed and release on an IOU. It all came from their own pockets or they made a plan to pay them once they could.

On that note, I think we need to stop referring to groups like Interlunium as net idol groups. They define themselves as virtual idol groups. The idea behind VIGs is that they’re characters played by people and they also acknowledge that (Legacy says they have twitters for the characters which is crazy but cool). There seems to be more popping up and it’s important to treat them differently the way people like to treat cosplay groups vs original content groups. NIs and VIGs are only the same in that they’re online.

>> No.10204862

>>10204538

yo i agree, i think it's a pretty important distinction. idol groups that use drawn OCs are VIGs, idol groups that perform and cosplay as certain characters are cosplay groups

>> No.10204890

>>10204538
So like Idolmaster/Love Live (in that they are playing characters and not actual idols)

>> No.10204921

>>10204862
I also think to be a VIG, you have to plan on releasing original music soon or already be doing so. Otherwise it’s just a cover group.

>>10204890
The characters are the idols. It’s also possible for the CVs to be idols themselves, but it depends on how the individual group goes about it. If the CVs never perform then yeah no not idols.

>> No.10204969

Tfw Japanese songs use Engrish ALL the time but the minute westerners do the reverse it's cringey and unacceptable

>> No.10204993

>>10204969

westerner oppression !1!11

>> No.10205021

>>10204969
Except in japan it’s actually part of the language to use foreign words, almost like English uses French/Spanish/etc. words in every day. If a group does and English song it’s to reach another audience ie Morning Musume with One and Only.

>> No.10205031

>>10204969
except doing the reverse literally doesn't make sense? j idols can use foreign words in their songs bc it is also part of their language to have foreign words (see: what katakana is used for), but shit like "kawaii desu" or "sugoi" aren't english words, they're strictly japanese.

>> No.10205034

i dont think people mind japanese. both one ok rock and kero kero bonito do okay with having japanese. it just depends on the audience and how you use it. if weebs are your audience and they love random japanese thrown in your lyrics then it's fine.

>> No.10205044

i think it's fine as long as you actually know some level of japanese. it's pretty obvious when someone's pronunciation is off or if they have no idea what they're doing, so it takes me out of the song

>> No.10205051

>>10205044
i do agree. personally i think you need to be at least conversational if you plan on using japanese in your original songs, cause it's obvious by doing so you're not trying to reach a conventional western market, but a japanese one. so you should at the very least know how to speak the language of the people you're wanting to become your fans

>> No.10205112

>>10205021
>>10205031
I understand the point you guys are making but a good number of jpop songs include phrases in english simply because it flows better with the song.

>> No.10205134

>>10205112

usually the japanese added into these songs doesn't flow and sounds out of place

>> No.10205186

>>10205034
One Ok rock is literally a Japanese band. I can’t speak on KKB but I’m pretty sure the girl lived in japan at one point? So she knows the language to an extent. Also, little mix once released Japanese & korean versions of wings but it was to reach that audience. It wasn’t just random.

>>10205112
Or they just want to use English. You can rearrange anything to fit the song. At times it just doesn’t fit. A good example of the reverse (Japanese with English) not working so well is IZ*ONE’s new song. It’s so messy.

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Did anyone else see the newest tellonym sent to Sakura Hanna? I don't know anything about her desu but the whole thing is fucking weird lol

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>>10205691
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>> No.10205774

>>10205186
okay thank god someone else feels the same way i do about buenos aires. its SO AWFUL. the teasers made it sound really fun and the pacing/beat is just horrible, and the mixing sounds like someone paid a toddler to do it. their voices dont blend well for who they matched, and the english ruins the flow of the song. i think they really need to push the girls to learn japanese better, rather than just putting english in jp songs. its obvious they dont know the language well enough.

>> No.10205926

>>10205774

Yeah the random English thrown in sounded shit lol

also glad im not the only one who thought the mixing was off. best example of good mixing really making or breaking a song

>> No.10206346

NiHana posted a panel performance(possibly?) a few days ago. It would be fun and endearing if they were just a group of friends goofing off, but as like a performance for an audience it feels like the put in 0 practice together. Contantly side-eyeing each other to remember the moves, totally falling out of formation, and one of them looks like she's being held at gunpoint based on her facial expression. It's good to be able to laugh off a mistake, but that shouldn't be a frequent part of a performance imo. The cute, short chubby one with the glasses and mini twin tails stood out and looks like she put in more practice and had really good expression overall. It's always nice to see a chubby idol be successfully cute since it's sort of rare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAleLtCFWO4

>> No.10206385

It might be a strange question but it came to mind. I know idols need to keep sharing content to keep a connection with their audience. So I feel like there is a lot of idols that work more on Instagram photos rather than spending time on practising their singing and dancing so when they perform they're good. I see too many idols making themselves look good on social media but then look rubbish when performing. Do you guys look more for talent in your idols or more of what they have to offer content wise?

>> No.10206446

>>10206385
I prefer to see a good performance than building a social media presence. That can come after you’ve worked on your skills. I’d rather wait for quality content than look at fillers then get mediocre performances.

>> No.10206778

>>10206346
This is absolutely hideous and they should be ashamed of themselves....

>> No.10206823

I want to start making my own original songs but I'm worried that my natural voice is very breathy and light sounding. I've been practicing often and tried out breathing + singing tips for supporting my notes better but I really have trouble making my voice sound more powerful.

Is this something I can really overcome with practice? Or should I focus on making less vocally intense songs. I'd also love to hear examples of idols with breathy voices that sound good.

>> No.10206828

>>10206823
Could it be confidence?Sometimes even if your alone and you think you're going full volume you are holding back thinking your neighbors might be able to hear or something, you can often get around this by putting a blanket over your head or something while you sing.Even if you can't solve it, a breathy voice can be really cute as long as you have the right songs.

>> No.10206829

>>10206823
The only way to get better or at least make it sound good is with practice and actual vocal training. Some people just don’t have powerful voices. If you know it’s something you can’t do, then don’t do it. Most idols with breathy voices either do very minimally challenging songs or they’re at a point where they can do extreme songs and still sound decent because of editing.

>> No.10206980

what discords are worth joining

>> No.10206981

>>10201993
>4Te
i never heard about them. i looked them up and its cool to see that they are still in the hobby even though their group didnt make it. what went wrong for them anyway? songs just werent that appealing? they didnt market themselves well enough? personal conflicts broke up the group?

>> No.10207006

>>10206981
They were actually popular but the group died off. I think they just went their own ways honestly.

>> No.10207076

>>10206823
Moga Mogami and Rinahamu both have soft breathy voices that sound great!
If you want Net idols with breathy voices though I’m not so sure about that, I think a member in Peachy Parade has a soft breathy voice, and maybe a member in Mosuri, but I don’t really follow either group so don’t quote me on that.

>> No.10207102

If I wanted to start singing with a mic pack instead of a hand mic, would I be able to buy my own and bring it to different venues? I don't want to have to rely on the organizers for equipment but I assume the sound techs there might have to tweak around with anything brought in from outside.

>> No.10207170

>>10207076
Ren from Peachy Parade as a sweet soft voice! She's the bleach blond hair one.

>> No.10207361

>>10207102
It’s really gonna depend on the venue. Would be nice to have just in case, but I would double check with your venue before hand so you know how to rehearse

>> No.10207622

oddly specific question: do y'all know any "net-idols" that ask for critique and criticism but never apply it/always have an excuse as to why they can't improve? Could this be a major factor in why net-idols are generally pretty crap?

I follow one on instagram and it's the most irritating thing. Stop asking for critique/advice if all you're going to reply with is excuses and "I guess...". So fucking lame

>> No.10207715

>>10207622
Which idol is this? That's the most irritating thing ever.

>> No.10207717

>>10207715

from the top of my head, im guessing sakurahanna who's in flusay girls

>> No.10207738

>>10207622
Honestly it could be any one of them. They all have the mindset that there’s always something in their way. Before you know who it was Hoshi teruko. There’s so many especially on Instagram.

>> No.10207763

>>10206346
I hate their outfits and overall styling so much, they look like they should have performed Fire-BTS instead of any twice song. I agree that the chubby one put in way more effort than the others and shined brighter though.

>> No.10207972

I just got back from a-kon and while it was a shitshow, there were tons of idol performances. I was surprised to see the cosplay contest show was even an Aqours group. The new management seems to be really idol friendly compared to previous years.

>> No.10208055

Saw some footage from the AniParty event in NYC last night. Ambiflora was performing but all I saw was Julily??? Couldn't even tell if other members were with her or if it was just her hogging the stage as usual.

>> No.10208197

>>10207972

They had idols at Akon cosplay before. Except they actually sang? Rather then just prance around to an anime song.

Like I know Paida performed before. I'm not a big fan of Akon and won't really defend them, but don't act like cosplay staff wasn't idol friendly.

>> No.10208263

>>10208197
Yikes gotta love the elitists who crap on people who “prance around to anime songs”. Someone’s salty.

>> No.10208275

>>10208263

That's not being an elitist. That's like basic idol 101. You gotta at least try and sing. Idols in Japan sing, even if they suck, they still actually sing.

>> No.10208292

>>10208263
Cosplaying an idol and dancing isn’t the same as not cosplaying an idol and singing and/or dancing. That’s not elitist in anyway. That’s just fact.

>> No.10208337

>>10208292
Why can’t you just let people do what they want to do without being rude about it? Some people sing, others dance, nobody is better than the other and that mentality is really toxic. Imo singing in Japanese when you’re not japanese is kind of cringy anyways.

>> No.10208351

>>10208337
It's a matter of calling it what it is. Cosplay coverists shouldn't be using the term idol because they aren't. If cosplayers called themselves odorites, it would be better accepted because that's what they're doing. Releasing just dance covers and cosplaying a fictional "school idol" doesn't make you an idol.

Personally, there's more to being an idol than just singing and dancing, so I think it's even more stupid to claim to be an idol when you're not committing to everything an idol does. It's why people without a social media presence don't get picked to perform at cons. You need to be interacting with your fans and doing more than just cosplaying and prancing around on stage. I don't think that terminology is harsh when the reality of love live dances are essentially that. It doesn't make you an elitist, it makes you someone who understand the reality of what being an idol is.

I think it's fine if people get upset about people using the wrong terminology to define themselves taking performance opportunities away from actual idols. If cons are constantly being sold cosplayers as idols, theyre never going to bring real idols on. It's a justifiable reason to be upset.

>> No.10208359

>10208351
As a singing idol, I personally think that non cosplay idols have trouble getting performances because cosplay idols are just easier to market. Plenty of people know what Love Live is, compared to that even the most popular non-cosplay idol can’t compete. Love Live is also a major gateway into the idol community, so I really don’t understand the animosity toward them because they bring original idols more fans. People aren’t stealing your performances. If you want them, do a better job of making yourself appealing to a wider audience so there’s a demand for you like there is for Love Live.

>> No.10208408

>>10208351
Anime fans at conventions want to see anime related content. Nobody cares about an american trying to be a japanese idol when they have no emotional connection to them. Idol cosplay covers aren’t stealing your performances, they’re more applicable to what an anime convention is about. Perhaps move to Japan or find another venue to perform at.

>> No.10208415

>>10208351
I’m pretty sure the word “idol” doesn’t exclusively mean someone with charm/sings and dances... Unless you’re in Japan but if not, what’s the point?

>> No.10208461

>>10208337
I’m not trying to be rude. But the definition of an idol, aside from the inspiration/someone to look up to, is a pop star or a singer and dancer. There are other charms but I think having “idol” in your name and calling yourselves idols are different things. If you recognize you’re cosplaying that’s fine. Of course nobody is better than another but the fact is they VERY different fields.

>>10208359
>Love Live is also a major gateway into the idol community, so I really don’t understand the animosity toward them because they bring original idols more fans
I don’t have animosity towards LL (I love the songs) but it’s the people who claim to be idols but just cosplay. There are some that don’t even perform. There has to be a line somewhere.

If you want them, do a better job of making yourself appealing to a wider audience so there’s a demand for you like there is for Love Live.
So should we all dress up and be existing idols? I understand how love live is a gateway into actual idols, but that’s actually not completely true. Because there’s MANY fans who do not know anything outside of anime idols. So it’s a super gray area. It’s not so cut and dry.

>>10208408
These days, a lot of conventions aren’t just marketing for anime. In fact, it seems a few have dropped the whole “anime specific” thing. They’re either both Anime and Japanese culture or just all encompassing Japanese culture. That’s why these groups want space at conventions. That IS the venue.

>>10208415
That’s literally what it means in every country where an idol is a performer. Japan, Korea, China, Indonesia, etc. etc.

>> No.10208473

>>10208461 here. I just want to point out again that I’m not against LL. I’m more against dressing up as someone else and calling yourself an idol when it’s not even something you’ve created. I feel like what made Stellure and Interlunium so popular is that they are based off other platforms but are characters they’d created themselves. It’s not even about not singing. You’re dancing to someone else’s music as someone else. If you do it in your own skin or as a character you created, you have every right to call yourself an idol. Even creating your own dances to these songs can make you a dance idol. But it stops being an idol when everyone is doing the same characters and the same dances and the same costumes.

>> No.10208489

>>10208461
You say an idol is a performer but is dancing not performing? I don’t get it. I see exclusively singers be called idols. Celebrities are called idols. Dancers are called idols. Maybe in asian countries is the case as you’ve mentioned, but if you’re not in an asian country culturally an idol is not defined the same as asian standards. An idol is someone others idolize and to each their own, but ripping that title from anyone who works hard at what they love doesn’t seem like your place.

>> No.10208495

>>10208461
Maybe idols could sing anime openings to appeal to a wider fan base? People like Amalee and Caleb Hyles have large followings and guest at cons because they do covers. As the other poster said, Stellure (i don’t really consider Interlunium idols) was really popular because they leaned into the anime aesthetic, which some found cringey but it was definitely more visually appealing. Idols also need to invest more in showmanship. Love Live groups naturally have it because they have fancy costumes and take up a whole stage. It’s harder to sing as a group so it makes sense that there are more solo idols, but then they could invest in interesting costumes, props, video components and backup dancers to visually draw people in. I think a lot of idols look at themselves from an idol perspective, not an audience perspective. Our audience is mainly anime fans with a small percentage of dedicated wotas. You need to be able to ask yourself “Why should people watch me over an excellent Love Live group?” and have a clear answer besides “I sing” because that’s not enough to the average anime fan. They don’t care if you’re “truly” an idol or not, they care about whether you are interesting and something they are familiar enough to connect to

>> No.10208505

I think if you had a good set of pipes, could dance, and looked attractive and did covers of anime you could make it work. But you also have to constantly put out content online. Quality content. Just like any major singing YouTuber. You have to know how to sell yourself.

The "idol" cosplayers are just programming filler. Cons don't give a shit about quality (looking at you Texas cons). It's cheap programming filler. That's it.

>> No.10208522

>>10208489
You missed part of my post and my follow up where I clarified my own intentions:
>But the definition of an idol, aside from the inspiration/someone to look up to, is a pop star or a singer and dancer
And my other post, >>10208473 as a whole. Dancers are performers. I never said they weren’t. But dressing up as someone else that you didn’t create and dancing to their songs doesn’t make you an idol in any regard. You’re cosplaying.

>>10208495
The other poster was me. I call Interlunium idols because that’s how they describe their group (“virtual idols”) and have appeared at cons as themselves but saying “we’re the people behind Interlunium.” I don’t want to discredit the great works that exist, but there are far too many weak love live groups that are clogging up the system with either bought costumes or mediocre ones. The ones that are hand crafted with good dance skills? Those are the people I appreciate. The ones with bought costumes and good dance skills? I appreciate them too. The others not so much. But they still shouldn’t be called idols because they’re roleplaying existing characters. I do agree that being interesting and branching into anime songs is a good idea, but it can’t just be LL which it is about 95% of the time. There’s almost no variety.

>> No.10208713

>>10207717
Omg I wish people wouldn't ask for advice then get mad when they're given it.

>> No.10208716

>>10207972
Last year we had a whole showcase.
This year it was a bunch of panels.
I wouldn't call that exactly friendly.

>> No.10208718

>>10208263
How is that elitist to want to hear someone actually sing??
I mean when I think idol, LL cover groups aren't exactly my first thought

>> No.10208720

I want to create a new group and these discussions have been helpful.

>> No.10208721

>>10208337
How is it rude though?
It's calling a spade a spade. Cover groups aren't exactly idols. They ate just that. Cover groups.
Idols at least try and sing and dance.

>> No.10208940

>>10208505
>But you also have to constantly put out content online. Quality content.

This is it, chief. The problem with most of the """real idols""" is that they put out what is basically high school level music made in garage band once in a blue moon and have the stage presence of an eighth grader when they do perform live. There may be a handful of them that aren't like this, but it's because they have previous experience on stage.

Putting it frankly: most people at anime cons either want to see Kpop cover dances, Love live/Idol anime or artists from Japan who are already popular, and it's like >>10208495 said; entirely because they already are familiar with these things. Groups like Stellure work because they look like anime characters, and anime convention attendees are attracted to that.

Also, you have to ask yourselves at some point: are you doing this as a hobby or because you seriously want to be famous and start the idol wave in the west? If you're serious about making this a full time thing, then consider moving out of anime conventions and finding/starting a professional label/having an agent or a manager. A lot of the YouTube singers previously mentioned have made it their jobs. If that doesn't work, you have to actually hustle to make a career for yourself inatead of hoping anime con idolfests will pick you over yet another Aqours group.

>> No.10208946

>>10208522
I agree with you. We should call the LL cover groups odottemitas like they are and call it a day. It's not that they aren't performers, they just aren't technically idols.

>> No.10209085

Qtxing posted a preview of their new song. What do you guys think? So far it sounds really good, the instrumental doesn't sound super mediocre like their debut song

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oh god, the overseas idol community is in its latest made up “drama”
apparently there’s a list of “toxic” idols spreading around? but they say it’s only a rumor and have no hard evidence of its existence. the idea came from, of course, sakurahana’s ig after she supposedly received anon hate about it.
do you think people are just trying to find something to be upset about? I personally think their egos are so big that they think they’re on there, and are trying to nip the issue in the bud before the said “list” is actually released. thoughts?

>> No.10209312

>>10209304
There’s so many reasons why I’m questioning your reason for posting this. First off, the only place this was posted was in the discord. This is an exact cap. Second, it’s commonly agreed to not talk about her here for a variety of reasons including the threads getting shut down one by one a few months back. Are you looking to cause drama or get this whole thing shut down again? Cause it feels like you are.

>> No.10209315

>>10209304
grow up

>> No.10209320

>>10209304
Light mode = cursed

>> No.10209323

why does it even matter ???? I think the whole reason for any of this drama is dumb, that’s exactly why I posted about it lol. I want to see other opinions because I personally think it’s pointless to bring up that there MIGHT be a list, when there is absolutely no solid evidence about it. ya’ll are making mountains out of molehills and it’s ridiculous.
sorry that i don’t agree that everything should be made into a big drama when there really is none.....

>> No.10209326

>>10209323
The point of it being shared on discord wasnt to start drama but go off

>> No.10209328

>>10209323
>I want to see other opinions because I personally think it’s pointless to bring up that there MIGHT be a list, when there is absolutely no solid evidence about it
>ya’ll are making mountains out of molehills and it’s ridiculous
>sorry that i don’t agree that everything should be made into a big drama when there really is none
You really need to pick a side. Do you care or do you not?

>> No.10209330

>>10209326
obviously it was, because everyone can’t stop talking about it. you all want to talk about something “so terrible and bad” that doesn’t even exist, just so you sound like good people.

>> No.10209332

>>10209304
>>10209323
Ahh the dog days of summer

>> No.10209335

>>10209328
I care about people thinking that they’ll look good by denouncing something, when that thing is not even almost confirmed to exist. if you guys just want to ignore that that’s inherently stupid and fake, that’s fine. don’t discuss it lol.

>> No.10209354

wait im new why aren't we supposed to mention the account in the screenshot ?

>> No.10209357

If I’m being honest all I’m gathering here is there's someone in the discord with the sole purpose of saying “you’re all fake bitches”

>> No.10209361

>>10209357
that’s.... really not it at all but..... okay. it really wasn’t meant to be said in a hateful way. I think that people need to be more self aware, but that’s apparently such a ridiculous notion to some people that i would get murdered in the discord if i were to ever say that to them

>> No.10209376

>>10209354
they're a minor, and honestly worthless to talk about

>> No.10209380

>>10209304
This barely has anything to do with the idol community. Sakura has tons of people who go to her Tellonym just to flame her, and tons who go to blindly defend her, and both sides are entirely stupid. This feels like a cheap attempt from one of her followers to threaten the flamers into silence. We don't even bring her up here, cause if word gets to her followers that she's being discussed here, they're going to show up and scream and shit the thread up until it gets nuked. It happened in the past a few times and that's why she's off-limits here. I'd highly recommend taking this discussion to lolcow, because this sort of unsubstantiated drama will get the thread shut down.

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Some new Love Live group is recruiting and posted their rules.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XzdZ3Z1kM8fiVxF3kxXp2-1kKBf0fREWWI9Tpw0mnGA/edit?fbclid=IwAR08Y8pwhaRYxCcF7EiD-6ThevuHWpZmBUxeqOTsZ1xHgjZDvu1znvpYZmY

>> No.10209459

>>10209451
The members are all highschoolers. Makes sense that their rules sound like school field trip rules.

>> No.10209464

>>10209459

>uwu don't go out alone past 8pm we don't want you getting hurt uwu

>> No.10209486

What do you think is the main reason that a lot of dance groups end up bullying out members? It seems to be so common and I wonder why that is. Do people just join them for fame and get super competitive or something? I think most of the successful groups are either ones with legit managers who focus on performance over having a friend group, or groups where almost everyone knew eachother before debuting. What are your thoughts?

>> No.10209487

>>10209451
Did they just say people can't wear shorts under their skirts?

>> No.10209505

>>10209451
Why are you complaining that a group wants to be serious? There are so many comments in these generals that wish groups would take things more seriously.

>> No.10209534

>>10209487
I'll be damned if I'm not going to wear shorts under my skirts.....
That's ASKING for some trouble

>> No.10209535

>>10209304
Lol anyone who makes a master list of "toxic idols" is toxic themselves and shouldn't be taken seriously.
I mean what would be the criteria? Who would be running it? How would they KNOW allegations of said toxicity are true?
Honestly? Sounds like someone wanted attention and wanted to stir up the OIC idols. It worked too.

>> No.10209536

>>10209357
That's what I figured

>> No.10209559

>>10209487
I thought they meant there won't be exceptions to modify any of the stage outfits to be pants/shorts, you have to be comfortable with the skirts/dresses to be accurate to the costume and character. They just worded it a bit poorly.

>> No.10209577

>>10209487

They also said that if you can't make it to a performance they'll hold your costume hostage, potentially let someone else wear the costume you paid for and then give it to you - possibly damaged, most likely unwashed.

Also where the hell do they get off saying they'll give successful applicants a workout routine? I'm all for people being in shape but someone can hurt themselves if they're given too much to handle or don't know what they're doing.

>> No.10209621

>>10209487
That’s not what it even suggests. Like >>10209559 said, they just mean if it’s a skirt you have to wear the skirt. It’s not worded poorly, you just have bad comprehension skills.

>> No.10209670

>>10209577
They did say they'll modify it if there's a problem, but yeah, unless whoever is making them is a trained professional, they could really do more harm than good.
Good luck to the members, I guess.

>> No.10209672

>>10209451
kek, I would join this group just to lie to the leaders that I'm doing their dumb workout schedule
Actually though this is super controlling and the non-negotiable tone just conveys how the leaders have no idea how to compromise or accept that shit happens sometimes. I might honestly get a kick out of joining, then dropping out and not letting them have my costume afterwards...

>> No.10209690

>>10209670

They're high schoolers, I very much doubt any of them are trained or are capable of giving fitness/health advice to people who they won't have met before. They're just asking for an injury or two.

>> No.10209717

>>10209451
These rules look like shit you write after watching a season of Love Live. They got the "workout routine" shit from the anime. They need to be more realistic and stop relying on a cartoon to shape their group.

>> No.10209816

>>10209717
I've been part of a group where the leader has these ideals (they happened to be the youngest which kinda explains a bit) expecting everyone to be at a really high level of stamina, fitness etc... Always negatively commented on performances even if it was an improvement and didn't believe in any form of positivity or adjustments. FYI it doesn't work, members quit and members get upset. This group disbanded.

>> No.10209821

>>10209717
I'm intrigued on what this workout routine entails
>inb4 jogging up stairs and stretching

>> No.10209927

>>10209486
In my experience members are kicked out because they’re bullying others or are toxic towards the group. Only children “bully” people out and of course people who get kicked are going to scream bullying because they’re salty.

>> No.10209930

The whole set up of a workout routine seems a little overboard. However if you are a group that will be doing dance performances it is kind of a given that members should be able to do the dances. No point in having a member who can't do basic dances because of poor fitness.

>> No.10209983

I hope that competition produce thing happens. I want it to make tea

>> No.10209989

>>10209983
What competition is this/link? I've seen plenty of instagram produce-style things before, is it just another of those?

>> No.10209994

>>10209989
No someone in squeeze said they want to run a serious competition to make a group for cons in their area next year in the oic discord server. It stared a debate on the server nd it seems to be happening.

>> No.10210079

>>10209994
Well this outta be good

>> No.10210194

>>10209983
Why does everyone want tea lmao

>> No.10210196

>>10209304
Sakura has very protective followers. Some of them check here regularly. So bringing her up here isn’t a good idea cuz it’ll get us all bashed

>> No.10210214

>>10209994
To be honest, I was disappointed in most of the “negative” responses to the idea. Mostly about it having a negative impact or it being a popularity contest. It seems even the more well known idols are afraid of some healthy competition because it might breed jealousy or feelings of inadequacy. The only thing they didn’t do was completely shut down the idea. Someone mentioned if they go into it with those thoughts then that’s all they’re going to get and I agree. We can’t all be friends all the time. That’s not how advancing happens. On the logistics side, the squeeze girl said they had the funds to do it. Just how rich are they I wonder?

>> No.10210237

>>10210214
Didn't squeeze have a go fund me for one of the members health bills? This sounds fishy

>> No.10210262

>>10209994
what area?

>> No.10210294

>>10210237
they mentioned they’re doing this because they are in hiatus and I think it’s cause of that. she said she’s not participating in the comp and just managing it. Idk I trust squeeze more than snyone for this. I was in her old group and I didnt know she must of been like 12 while running it

>> No.10210361

>>10209930

I get that, but in dancing and learning the dances you're exercising anyway and your fitness increases from that.

I find when I'm learning a dance I get tired quicker because I'm exerting more energy trying to remember and keep up with the video but once I've learned it I'm moving more efficiently because I know what comes next instead of flailing around figuring out movements.

I managed to lose a significant amount of weight just by practising each day for about 30 minutes and my stamina increased. If they want two video updates a week then chances are they're going to be trying to show improvement in between checking in and getting fitter that way. It just seems like overkill if they're not getting a chance to have a rest day.

>> No.10210367

>>10210237
The one who’s talking about the competition isn’t the same one who’s transgender.

>>10210294
I do think the hiatus is leaving the other girl kind of bored/lonely which is why she wants to do more stuff.

>> No.10210420

>>10210262
South east usa

>> No.10210421

>>10210361
Yes I totally agree with you. It's just having the discipline you have to apply yourself to keep it a regular thing.

>> No.10210424

>>10210367
Right I understand that a bit more now. I was just a little suspicious but I get it now thanks for clearing it up.

>> No.10210482

>>10209486
Because all groups are run by inexperienced teens and young adults who have no leadership/teamwork skills

>> No.10212397

I like Mosuri, but Rei's eyebrows are ugly as shit. I personally hate the tiny eyebrow trend, and I don't think they look good on anyone. However, I also know I'm nitpicking, so I raise a question for discussion.

How nitpicky is too nitpicky when it comes to net-idols? Appearance is an important part to a net-idol's image, so what do you think is acceptable and unacceptable when it comes to criticizing or critiquing appearance?

>> No.10212565

>>10212397
I think it’s unacceptable to pick with stuff they can’t fix easily, like weight. This community doesn’t talk enough about appearance and criticizing them.

>> No.10212706

Been wondering but what do you think are the most attractive/cute/good looking net idol group?
Not individually, but the group you think has the most attractive members

>> No.10212706,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>10212706
Peachy Parade and Mystiq Wish hands down

>> No.10212834

>>10212706

Chiri Girls. Both girls are super cute. Shuumatsu Candy was really cute too.

>> No.10212873

>>10212706
>>10212706
I agree with Chiri Girls, they match. Off top of my head I think of Peachy Parade, Melancholiaah if she counts, Pheri, 1 2 Shine, Squeeze, Pastel, most of DZD, most of Citrus, most of Ambiflora... too many groups have one or two uggos that ruin the entire thing, even SYA. Ice Qream and Tambourine are the most visually hard to look at despite their popularity, even though they’re talented

>> No.10212987

idol rap battles when

>> No.10212999

>>10212706
North America-wise, it’s Peachy Parade for me. All the members imo are cute and cute in different ways, too. They have a pretty nice balance between the cool members and the more sugary cute ones. I’m also a fairly big fan of Chiri Girls, like mentioned above. Tokimeki jump are also super cute, easily one of the cutest idol groups I can think of.

>> No.10213386

>>10212565

I understand what you mean, but at the same time people near to them won't ever have the balls to tell them so things which could improve their overall image will never get better.

For example there was a girl who had a terrible hairstyle which didn't suit her at all. The gulls pointed out it was bad, said she'd look better with bangs and a week or two later she fixed it and gulls praised her new look.

It's because it's easily fixed that people talk about it. They know better to attack someone for something the can't help.

>> No.10213484

>>10212706
Honestly, Peachy Parade and maybe Mosuri? I don't think there's a single uggo member in Mosuri.

>> No.10213510

When you're the uggo member of your group, lol

>> No.10213533

>>10213386
>>10212999
I always wonder if overseas idol are better to go with the ''natural aspect'' of idols (like if you look at 48 groups, Hello! Pro, Momoclo), they wear pretty natural make-up, which I think was important for the ''idol aura'' image. Should overseas wear more big eyeliner and circles lens? I find everyone who does this super cute, but I fear it ruined the natural image idols are supposed to aim at and make them look more like anime...

>> No.10213540

>>10213510
ask your group what you can do to improve your appearance. Most of the time you just need good hair and makeup.

>> No.10213563

>>10213540
If anyone has any styling help to give to the uggo net-idols, they should write it down here. It has help some idols in the past and I'm sure it could help others too. Some of them just maybe didn't notice they are not that pretty.

>> No.10213774

>>10213563
Posture and posing makes such a difference. Even 10s can look like shit with slouching shoulders.

>> No.10213809

>>10213563
When anyone take photos, stop taking them from lower than chin level unless a professional is doing them. It makes you look bad/worse.

>> No.10214354

Is anyone gonna make a new thread soon? This ones been autosage for awhile

>> No.10214523

>>10214354
Be the change you want to see

>> No.10214561

So, after seeing ambifloras newest live, i have some questions. Chiiyo (or is it chiyo?) was the founder, he found everyone for the most part and formed the group, and let julily lead/ be the center, but he formed the group, he had one performance and graduated, with no reason why which is strange. Then in this most recent performance, during intros which were a mess, julily said she founded and leads the group. That seems kinda off and not good, but that could just be me. Also, the group is tone deaf and can’t hold a note or can’t sing at all really. It was their green idol or trainees first performance and they were stiff, missed moves, was forcing themselves to sing way deeper than it seems their voice would allow, and it seems they didn’t practice at all aside from the main motions of the dance aka the big group moves. Not to mention having a group of all girls with high pitched voices isn’t going to sound good at all, you need to have altos and maybe a tenor, not that they would know at all.
I really feel like julily is trying to use this group to make herself stand out since there was only one song with every member and the rest was just julily

>> No.10214568

>>10214561
https://youtu.be/fhbbrUDDtaw < The performance for anyone who wants it.

Imo it just sounded like bad karaoke, it was cringy and the singing itself was nothing special. And i agree with this anon that it seemed like The Julily Show instead of an *ambiflora* performance.

I wasn’t into it and the green one (Griffy??) really was my focus of the last song because of how bad they were lol.

>> No.10214573

I feel like ambiflora needs to disband, figure out their issues especially after the whole himeluka thing, and come back when their member have better vocal training and better dancing lessons/ more practice. As of right now the group has nothing going for it.

>> No.10214604

>>10214568
Oh wow it was a real mess. Looks like the green member just sort of got thrown in and was very nervous. There's no real connection between the members and why have a group of it's just to push yourself in the spotlight... Julily needs to learn how to manage a group properly and be more fair with performances so everyone's strongest points can shine through.

>> No.10214614

>>10214604
My concern as a leader is always to make sure everyone has time in the spotlight. I'd feel like an attention hoe if I pulled that shit. There's a possibility that maybe they didn't have a big enough group setlist, but in that case just don't perform as a group yet.

>> No.10214715

>>10214561
Where was it said he was the founder?

>> No.10215022

>>10214614

Seems pretty irresponsible of the group leader to allow that green member to perform like that...

>> No.10215124

>>10214568
Ambiflora being ran by Julily having the attention it does makes our community look bad. they aren’t charismatic, can’t sing, and have lots of dislike from all of us for their dramas with them... it makes me really wish theyd disband so our community could be respectable soon. Having known groups that are shit hurts us all.

>> No.10215247

>>10215124
Seems like the only ones that get known are kind of bad representation so far. (Re: Stellure, Ambiflora...)

>> No.10215349

>>10214568
>>10214561
Julily needs to give up Ambiflora. This wasn't a group performance, this was Julily ft. Ambiflora.... I'm really disappointed desu.

Chiyo was my favorite despite only having one performance. He really should have been kept. I wonder if Julily will give a reason she kicked him out?

>> No.10215422

>>10214568
So...is Julily just treating these people like duffs? Or is this what she had in mind when she sperged out in that article about """"real idols""""?

>> No.10215441

>>10215422
She's treating them like duffs essentially. Real idols my ass, if she knew anything about real idols, she'd have these girls doing lives WAY later. They're not ready in the slightest, ESPECIALLY green trainee.
We all know she did this to make herself seem better, which is kind of embarrassing.

>> No.10215453

>>10215441
They could, and should have focused only on dancing and had Julily sing a few solo songs in-between. Instead, we get this catastrophe. Oh well. Inb4 she posts another essay full of excuses for "clarification".

>> No.10215476

>>10215453
Here's a clarification:
JULILY EITHER TRAIN THOSE GIRLS OR DISBAND

>> No.10215538

>>10214568

I skipped through the video and I recognised the choreography for Torikoriko PLEASE!! before I recognised it by sound. I listen to that song pretty regularly on account of playing SIF and probably wouldn't have realised that's what they were trying to bellow out without it.
They're just that bad and need to call it quits.

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good to see the nepotism continues as juliane adds ambiflora members to staff roles in oic without any announcement

>> No.10216048

Where is the source that said Chiyo formed the group?

>> No.10216051

>>10216044
I am so OVER julily and her owning the only big resource in this community.. I can’t stand OIC anymore, it’s the only reason any of us know about her and ambiflora. she has a monopoly on us and our attention since this is the main resource

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Yes she did announced it.

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>>10216054
nice job outting yourself as a staff member because that message literally doesnt exist in any of the public/non staff channels as an announcement

>> No.10216131

Or, I ask a Staff about the announcement, they said its only for staff to know, and they sent me that. I'm not a staff. So nice job not thinking about that

>> No.10216180

The only reason I’m mad about oic is bc its the only net idol resource out there and they don’t bother to run their fucking website. I applied to be in the discord MONTHS ago to get some help from the mentors there and I never received a response so I’m basically locked out of it unless I go beg Julily to add me to it.

>> No.10216267

New bread. Get in here. >>10216266

>> No.10217118

>>10209451
honestly most of the rules are reasonable, it just comes across pretty aggressive