/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

If I don't care about/follow the JP brands, should I bother going to meetups or nah? From what I gather online, a lot of people just want to talk about burando releases and nothing else.

>>10195317
JP brands and their releases are the heart of what even make this fashion. Why wouldn't you think we would be interested in them all the time? It's a really big central part of the fashion. Take your fringe shit elsewhere I think.

>>10195317
If you're worried that meetups are just in person recaps of lolita updates, that is absolutely not the case. Most conversations are going to be small talk unless you make friends with someone, in which case you talk to them about whatever.

But icebreakers and general topics of conversation will probably be about the fashion. If you follow indie releases or hand make your clothes, you'll have something to talk about. If you can't manage a conversation about lolita fashion in general, maybe don't bother going.

>>10195317
Come to my comm, all anyone talks about is how disabled they are and how brand is too expensive

VM - Preppy Check Dress (プレッピーチェックドレス)
Price: ¥36,720 (tax incl.)
Colours:
>Bordeaux
>Brown
>Navy

Length: 110cm
Bust: 92cm
Waist: 75cm

Outer material: Rayon 85%, polyester 15%
Russell lace material: Nylon 60%, rayon 40%
Lining: 100% polyester

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/193MOP08.html
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Preppy Check JSK (プレッピーチェックジャンパースカート)
Price: ¥32,400 (tax incl.)
Colours:
>Bordeaux
>Brown
>Navy

Length: 106cm
Bust: 90cm~103cm
Waist: 75cm~100cm

Outer material: Rayon 85%, polyester 15%
Russell lace material: Nylon 60%, Rayon 40%
Lining: 100% polyester

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/193MOP09.html
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Preppy Check Blouse (プレッピーチェックブラウス)
Price: ¥17,280 ~ ¥18,360 (tax incl.)
Colours:
>Bordeaux
>Brown
>Navy
>Solid Black

Length: 54cm
Bust: 93~110cm
Waist: 100cm

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/193MBL02.html
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Royal Clement(?) Hat (ロイヤルクレマンハット)
Price: ¥10,260 (tax incl.)
Colours:
>Black
>Vanilla
>Bordeaux
>Brown

Size:
Around the head: 58 cm (internal size)
Brim circumference: 80 cm
height: 11 cm

Outer material: Wool 100%, Petasham Ribbon

>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/SHOP/193VMH02.html
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Release date: June 18, 2019, 10:00 JST to
June 28, 2019, 23:59 JST

>>10195317
From where did you get that impression online? You think people gather at art museums and gardens and aquariums just to talk about nothing other than brand releases?

>>10195325
JP brands are historically important but they're not all that's out there today. The fashion has evolved and expanded a lot past those few brands.

>>10195328
I follow both western and eastern indie brand releases pretty religiously and know a lot about the history of the fashion so I'd love to talk to people about all that. But if everyone just wants to squeal over the latest AP prints then it will be pretty boring for me.

>>10195333
Complaining about burando prices is still only discussing burando though

>>10195340
From here and FB groups. I literally never see indie brands discussed?

>>10195337
During the reservation period, there's a promotion where if you purchase 2 more more items from the series, you can get a 10% discount (before tax)!

>>10195337
I am in love, this looks a lot more promising than the other new releases. The lace on the OP looks questionable. I like the shirring(!) on the jsk but big busted girls will look awful in it. Japanese lolitas are gonna freak over the big sizes, getting my popcorn ready.

>>10195342
Which indie brands are you into?

>>10195337
i crave this blouse. the jsk is super cute too.

>>10195342
If you expect to only talk about your favorite topics or are that bad at conversations that you can’t start a new topic yourself, don’t come.

No plans for additional stock of Silent Moon ripip. Moitie will tweet if there are any cancellations.
>https://twitter.com/moitie_official/status/1140478498085060608

>>10195342
>>10195352
I’m also curious about what are all these indie brands you follow religiously if you won’t look twice at any Japanese brands that pioneered the fashion.

At what point is blouseless acceptable? Every time there’s a blouseless thread there’s millions of examples by even brands themselves. But anyone in the Western Hemisphere get insta-posted to the ita thread for going without a blouse.

>>10195348
>The lace on the OP looks questionable.
Yeah, they've been experimenting with different types of lace lately, ever since Aya left (and I'm assuming Lumi took over?). I kinda miss seeing the VM tulle lace.

>Japanese lolitas are gonna freak over the big sizes
I wouldn't be too certain about that. I've noticed quite a bit of VM being a tad too tight on Japanese lolitas. Either way, I'm happy about the slight size up. Now I can eat to my heart's content in full VM!

>>10195373
It looks best when the straps have some ruffle or cap sleeve type things going on rather than just plain straps. And make sure you call it casual.

Kera shop posted this and Victorian Maiden retweeted it. It looks like a new version of noble queen jsk but VM haven’t posted anything themselves yet. I’m excited if it’s a new release

>>10195410
It's an old release. I think it was released late last year?
>http://v-maiden.ya.shopserve.jp/smp/item/182MOP15.html

Translatorchan here, sorry I was MIA for a few days, I was at a con.
Someone said that they wanted my email, so I made a throwaway translatorchan@outlook.com
A discord server was also suggested and I thought that was a great idea so I went ahead and made one. So if you are interested in helping out with the English translation of Kitai fuku ga aru, feel free to join! https://discord.gg/dewKkNs

I'll start working on chapter 3 now.

>>10195337
Finally some actual VM instead of whatever the hell that was at the beginning of the revival

>>10195421
Wow I don’t know how I missed this. I’m an idiot, thanks

>>10195425
Can you link chapter 2 again? I think i missed it.

>>10195373
You could wear the most beautiful blouseless coord ever and some autist rulefag will still post you.

>>10195434
Here you go https://imgur.com/a/M89cBpQ
It was linked in the previous thread but it got buried pretty fast with everything that was going on.

>>10195425
Hey translator-chan, would You mind if I did a retranslation for another language?

>>10195440
Not at all, go ahead!

>>10195446
Thanks a lot, kind soul! If You want me to link or credit it just tell me and I'll send you an e-mail!

>>10195343
Because they suck. But the question is what makes you think irl gatherings are just talking about what’s new? Do you really think that just because ppl post about releases it’s the only thing they talk about? People talk about all sorts of things and sometimes it’s not Lolita related at all.

>>10195440
What language are you translating it into?

I'm planning my first trip to Japan right now, and I was wondering - does anybody know how frequently the Closet Child stores restock? Do they put new items out on a certain day, or is it more like a slow trickle of new stock gets put out over time?

>>10195317
Oh my interests are even more niche within an already niche fashion and by the way I know its a Japanese street fashion but I'm more *evolved* and want to discuss cheap Chinese and shitty western stuff instead of you know, the actual Japanese street fashion.

No. Please do NOT come to lolita fashion meets.

>>10195373
When it's not tagged lolita fashion, IE never. Many of us wear it (but don't tag it), AP has posted editorial photos of it many times, Japanese girls wear it sometimes. But most western people won't ever accept it as a proper lolita coord.

>>10195317
>>10195371
>>10195515
Yeah, I suspect they’re a poorfag who has a vendetta against brand because they can’t afford it and can only buy taobao and Etsy clothing.

>>10195490
I think they get new stock like everyday. The amount just differs

>>10195490
Slow trickle over time, the staff are often working on assessing, pricing and putting out new items while customers are in the store.

>>10195471
I can translate into Chinese and Spanish. I have some friends who can translate into Italian and Portuguese. I'll check with them if they'll have interest in doing that

>>10195515
So just because it originated in Japan, the way it's majorly evolved outside of that country doesn't matter and isn't relevant to discuss? It's not just a Japanese thing anymore and even the JP brands are heavily influenced by China's tastes now.

What a weird mindset. I'm in another niche hobby that originated in Japan (BJDs) and at our meets people bring BJDs from Korea, China, USA, Russia, etc. No one cares or insists that we only talk about glorious nippon's dolls, we just discuss the dolls in general and have a nice time.

Lolita gatekeeping is on another level...

>>10195561
You sound racist against the Japanese since you seem to be solely excluding their brands by country rather than style or merit. Why?

>>10195543
>>10195544
Thanks anons! So it's definitely worth checking out more than once.
Another question - I've been trying to plan my trips during the weekday to avoid major crowds, so right now I have no idea what to do on the weekends. Are there any places worth checking out that wont be jam-packed full of people?
Obviously crowds are unavoidable because Japan, but I've heard popular areas are absolute hellscapes and to avoid visiting on weekends at all costs.

>>10195561
If you are into bjd then you know damn good and well there is a strong cadre of Volks elitists thriving and that people just bringing in any cheap shitty doll or worse, recasts, is also sneered at with very much if not even MORE gatekeeping and private meets going on in that hobby. Do not pretend otherwise.

>>10195373
Just accept that most of the people here are new and will cling to the rules like a damn bible. If you want to wear a blouseless coord, I’d start by emulating brand and glb outfits and then once you eat a feel for it try to be a bit more creative.

>>10195567
I'm not. I have a few JP BJDs because they have some unique sculpts with no equivalent elsewhere. I just have no interest in JP lolita specifically as it's extremely easy to find the exact same styles (and some better ones) elsewhere for a fraction of the cost.

>>10195578
Volks elitists? Are you from 2008? Fairyland is the "it" company these days and they're Korean. People happily discuss and endorse Resinsoul despite its cheapness. Recasts are straight up counterfeits so that's not even relevant.

>>10195561
I’m not sure where you are going that people don’t talk about non-japanese brands, but that doesn’t happen literally anywhere. People however do talk about j-brands because they are plentiful, often quality and in many cases the cornerstones of the fashion. If you have a weird vendetta against japanese brands I don’t know what to say

>>10195585
I find very few houses in japan or abroad make the same things unless they are deliberately making replicas. Either troll or incapable of spotting the difference between dresses

>>10195561
>brands are heavily influenced by China's tastes now.
Can you give examples of that that isn't just the hybrid qipao thing that was a mainstream trend in Japanese normie fashion?

>>10195585
>(and some better ones) elsewhere for a fraction of the cost.
Oh really? With which brands

>>10195585
>Fairyland is the it company
Not to be offtopic, but this board is 18+

>>10195592
Actually, this is very true. The large, lace dripping neo-hime dresses you see brands put out rn are largely driven by the chinese market. AP just did an interviews and said chinese, korean and middle eastern tourists are a large portion of the their la foret revenue

>>10195595
>middle eastern
Huh? Seriously? Would anyone know where they post their coords?

>>10195595
>you see brands put out
Where do you see that? The only brands that do it are AP and Baby and they've been doing it for years.

>>10195604
People always forget classic and gothic lolita exist when they discuss lolita in general. Deal with it.

>>10195592
That 800 red lace abomination they released for a Hong Kong tea party MTO.

>>10195585
Poorfag with poor taste and poor judgement detected.

>>10195604
They’ve been always done but it, but they are increasingly popular and a larger portion of their advertising space now. Look at AP/Baby ads from the last 5 years and you’ll notice they are getting more and more rococo. That’s driven by the Chinese market

>>10195611
Plus JetJ re-releasing fugly dresses like that grey cat print solely because it's what Chinese lolitas demanded.

>>10195585
>find the exact same styles (and some better ones) elsewhere for a fraction of the cost
Just admit you don’t go to Meets because you know shit about lolita fashion.

>>10195600
I thought the same thing? Here’s the article if you are interested https://www.wwdjapan.com/articles/832914

>>10195614
Ugh, they have no subtlety. Not in their coords and certainly not in their constant overuse of Meitu. I’m tired of seeing “lolita” outfits that are just literally period costumes.

>>10195342
You've never been to a meet, yet you make a lot of assumptions about the people who do.
People talk brand releases when there's lulls in conversation to keep it going. There are not many things more awkward than someone trying to break silence with a topic that only they can contribute to.

>>10195616
>you know shit about lolita fashion.

Pretty sure that's you, considering you seem to have no idea of the current state of lolita and how much Chinese style/preferences influences it.

>>10195619
I actually kind of like some of the more creative rococo stuff. Misako occasionally posts modeling she’s done in the style and occasionally it’s cute. however it’s exhausting to see it all the time

>>10195568

Takeshita Doori is still badly packed with tourists on weekdays anyway, so if I were you I'd still put that down on Saturday. Go early and you might see lolitas lining up for AP's release (there's a cafe that's the back door into La Foret where they will line up), closet child or Bodyline sometimes has lolitas coming and going as well.

>>10195627
If that’s all you’re taking from people saying you don’t know shit, then I feel sorry for you. You don’t HAVE to like the Japanese brands. But at least know they are the reason for why the fashion exists in the first place. Any one that is actually in the fashion and have actually invested in the fashion for more then a few months to a year, know that Chinese brands have a huge influence on the style. We all have seen the Hong Kong exclusives and tea parties. We know China is a big contributor to the style. Taobao has been a huge thing in the style for some time and those who actually participate in the fashion know this and recognize it even own quite a bit of it. The “elitist brand whore” lolita doesn’t exist IRL often and is rather a rare thing to encounter. If you’re basing the community off of what you read on the internet yet say the BJD community acts otherwise at meets, then you’re a hypocritical fool thinking that lolita fashion is different niche then the BJD community. They do overlap and people are in both hobbies and behave the same way. You don’t go to a BJD meet and talk “ oh you have a Japanese doll. I prefer Chinese” nah you simply say “ oh I like the way you did the face up and the detail work. Is that a custom paint?” You also talk about thing like normal people do and not just focus on your dolls the entire time. If you do, then you have no friends because you can’t connect with people outside of your little shell you put around yourself. It’s okay. We where all once young like you. Most of us grew out of that “ I must fit in and be as relevant to the style as I can” phase.

>>10195651

Ah, self-correction. The cafe's not the back door, it's a landmark AP gives when telling lolitas where the back door to La Foret is. If you check their yaplog before you go you can get the latest directions where they tell people to line up for the latest release.

>>10195369
I am living for all these winery bitches crying about how it’s not fair that they sold out and the website crashed. It’s like they never tried to get to get an item on release night before. AP is far more popular and infamous for its blood baths. What did they expect to happen? Such a highly anticipated rerelease?

>>10195568
Ghibli Museum is always sold out, so it won't be any more crowded on the weekend than on a weekday, so that's one option? Weekends are the best time to visit Nakano Broadway, since a lot of the smaller shops don't open during the week.

I'm not sure what else to suggest because I don't know what you're into beyond J-fashion, I usually plan by picking an area I haven't already visited and then googling to see what's worth checking out there, but that can be pretty hit-or-miss. Shimo-kitazawa and Meguro are popular with vintage shoppers (Meguro also has a pretty riverside walk), or the area around Keisei-Tateishi station is cool in a Showa-era Japan retro way and a bit more working-class, which is a neat contrast to a lot of tourist areas.

>>10195657
The huge difference being that BJD collectors don't put the original Japanese brands on a pedestal and proclaim that all non-Japanese brands are shit. Lolitas do. So logically that's why I assume the meetups would be pretty different than BJD's welcoming to all types of brands atmosphere.

>>10195676
Can we all agree to sage this moron?

>>10195664
This doesn't prevent people from being sad, which is pretty normal.

>>10195618
Thankyou for this! I somehow missed it! I really hope it gets picked up and officially released in the US! Even with the translations slowly being posted here, I would gladly buy any physical English copy they release! These stories make me a bit sad, but I really relate to it.

>>10195678
Yes.

Any hope for a Divine Cross re-release?

>>10195678
I'd be surprised if you can take your hands off your burando boner long enough to do so.

Any hope for a Divine Cross re-release?

>>10195680
Nayrt but it’s pretty embarrassing watching them cry directly on Moitie’s English social media.

>>10195682
You’re welcome! Tokyo Fashion posts their articles on twitter from time to time when they are interesting and they are good reads. I agree that I would buy English copies

>>10195676
In the time it took you to post all this crap, you could have planned your coord and actually attended a fucking meet to learn something firsthand for yourself instead of all this shitposted speculative spergitude. Holy shit, shut UP.

>>10195678
Yes. This person is an idiot and now just arguing to see where it goes. It’s obvious by this post >>10195688 they are just trying to troll at this point.

>>10195694
sage them, sweetie

>>10195609
An MTO for a local event

>>10195690
More embarrassing than the Honey Cake petition? Lol

>>10195664
Dumb. If you want it so badly, be smart, get a shopping proxy, pay a little more, nothing to worry about. The only ones crying are those too dumb to do this.

I think the whole thing is dumb because its an overhyped nostalgia print that has been released in landwhale sizes as a very cheap and badly printed replica.

Plus the fact that it was not even one of Moitie’s best prints to begin with. Many of us didn't even want it the first time around. And no special lace.

>>10195694
Nah. It was a valid question and the replies basically confirmed my suspicions, so time saved actually.

>>10195695
>anyone who doesn't worship brand is a trollll

>>10195694
They’re a LARPer who RPs being a taobao only lolita, kek. Either that or a whale. They don’t actually care about attending meets.

>>10195651
>>10195668
Thank you guys for the help, I really appreciate it! Nakano and Shimokitazawa are definitely on my list so looks like my weekend's all set now.

Anyone have good jewelry recs for more mature sweet? I don’t do classic but resin doesn’t work with my style either

>>10195708
What service do you use?

>>10195711
Basing your social activity choices on replies in a 4c thread. Confirmed for a complete idiot.

Not knowing that the ’it’ bjds aren't your molded resin crap but one off signed, numbered porcelain artist bjd or at the very least least something like Popovy or Marmite Sue or the larger one-off customs. Get on my level.

But I'm glad you won't attend lolita meets just the same so that's win-win.

>>10195724
Would anyone be interested in a jfashion BJD thread? It’s been a while and obviously there is crossover

>>10195717
https://www.michalnegrin.com/michal-negrin-designer-jewelry-necklaces-earrings-bracelets-rings.html?cat=49

>>10195717
Qpot

>>10195700
Sure, but since then, look at the releases they have put out. Nearly all dresses in the same red look like absolute shit, and it's all for the Chinese

>>10195609
Which one is this?

So I’ve been seeing pictures of the new CTP MTO, and am I imagining it, or is the belt a different color? It doesn’t look blue like the OG. Can anyone confirm?

>>10195733
You are assuming all of it is for the Chinese based on what? And why are you talking as if AP equals lolita in general?

>>10195717
Pearls are probably the most versatile jewelry you can get and works with all the fashion styles most of the time.

>>10195728
I wish there was more crossover and more lolitas were into bjd or even antique dolls. Not sure if there is enough recent doll + fashion stuff that has not already been posted. I know of one brand/bjd collab coming up but it's not time to post about it quite yet.

>>10195738
You're dense and missing the point.
Anon wanted examples, so I gave them one.
And that red has special meaning in Chinese culture.

>>10195731
Oh my lord these are beautiful. Some might be a tad too classic but there are so many perfect pieces here

>>10195732
Fuck I haven’t checked their site in forever. Thanks for the reminder!

>>10195740
Agreed. Unfortunately, I have a metric shit ton of pearls so I’m looking for something different. However, if someone else is passing through I recommend pearls as well

>>10195738
AP is sucking the Chinese dick harder than anyone else, are you fucking blind?

I don't know if anyone is interested, but there's this web manhua about a lolita who goes into Classical Puppets store and discovers magic shoes.

It's called 契约魔鞋 and available here https://ac.qq.com/ComicView/index/id/624102/cid/1

>>10195737
Once a dress hits a MTO, the original is devalued, and small variations aren't going to make a significant difference. Nice try though. B+ for including comparison pix.

>>10195757
It matters for avoiding replicas you fucking mouthbreather.

>>10195752
1 brand doing some things for Chinese customers doesn't mean all lolita brands are heavily influenced by Chinese people

>>10195760
Did you read the link upthread? AP literally cites chinese tourists as a primary demographic

>>10195717
BBandB have some good stuff for sweet and classic without going super OTT.

>>10195758
Dumbshit. You avoid replicas by not shopping at shady places and by basically not being a cheap shitter. The difference being discussed was original and mto, not fucking replicas.

>>10195737

Got the re-release, it's blue. The re-release in your pic seems to have off lighting somehow.

>>10195728
>>10195742

I'm interested, post away. Especially the brand/bjd collab? Those are always nice.

>>10195728
I'm down for a lolita + dolls thread. Lolitas with dolls, lolita fashion for dolls, etc. It's related enough, I think. I know some lolita lifestylers are into bjds.

>>10195763
Again, AP does not equal all Japanese lolita brands

>>10195754
Thank you for sharing anon! The art style is so cute!

>>10195778
Okay, what specifically is your argument? Because it mostly looks like you yelling “NO!” at everyone without actually saying what you are arguing for. If you don’t have a legitimate argument with evidence then you’re a massive waste of time and thread space.

>>10195718
If I post it, well more people would use it, now wouldn't they? Sorry kiddo, life’s not fair when it comes to sharing secret cut-throat release grabbing tactics. Just be glad I'm not a scalper!

>>10195789
I can’t tell if you’re a troll or just an idiot...

>>10195784
I asked >>10195561 to proof Japanese brands are heavily influenced by the Chinese, not 1 brand

>>10195791
Unless they release sales data, there isn’t going to ben concrete proof. However, if brands are releasing things in a certain style frequently, one such brand in particular, and said brand says explicitly that is a major market, then you can use your brain to deduce the rest. Also look at girlism and japanese magazines to compare what is advertised then look what is put out. It’s not that hard. Now, shush.

>>10195794
I never argued that AP is not influenced by Chinese customers, the discussion is about Japanese brands in general.

>>10195800
Good

>>10195800
Good lord you are exceptionally stupid. Brands other than AP are putting out hime inspired lace fests, AP heavily features these things. AP says that they are trying to sell to the chinese market. If you look at japanese magazines and compare them to girlism, the ads in girlism are primarily hime lace monsters and the japanese magazines have considerably less of these. ergo, if they have them they are probably trying to sell to china. not all brands are i’m sure, but many are. now do you need me to hand hold you through how to read a paragraph or have you caught up?

>>10195737
The belt is still very much blue. I guess the poster used filters.

i'm thinking of beginning to smoke weed (and maybe even take ecstasy just once since he told me it's safe and life changing) and follow my bf in raves and wear thot clothes to them but i wonder if my comm will give me the stinkeye for doing that. I'm just tired of being so introverted and i want to change but i'd hate to be seen as promiscuous for that and taint my "demure" image in a way.

>>10195815
Literally no one cares what you do in your spare time

>>10195737
Speaking of the MTO, did anyone manage to buy from the extra stock AP USA listed last night?

>>10195815
Stop the roleplaying.
No one gives two shits what you do outside of lolita. Just don’t bring it into the fashion. We are all adults. We all do things that are not “ demure” or “lady like”

>>10195815
I only think it would get some commentary if you are a decently known and really good lifestyle lolita. Otherwise, I hate to be the one to have to tell you this but it's likely that only a few people will even notice and of those its also likely that no one will even give a shit. Live your life.

Has anyone else ever missed out on a really rare item? Like a brand item that no one seems to sell secondhand? Or an item you've only seen listed on a auction once and never again? Or an indie item that you missed the preorder for? It happens to me sometimes and it's sad because I can't even tell myself I'll see it again one day, because I probably won't.

>>10195815
This doesn't belong in lolita general, there's no discussion topic in your post, just your amusingly misplaced angst.
>>10190662

>>10195834
There’s a dream dress thread for that

>>10195834
Yep. Twice missed it in the space of 8 years. But patience and perseverance pays off. It took me years to finally get it but I did. Glorious. Don't give up, anon.

>>10195834
Yes. And I’m still on the hunt for it. I see the other cut of the dress show up from time to time and even the other color but never the one I wanted. It’s come up maybe once in the last 5 years. I’m guessing those who have it love it just as much as I do that they can’t part with it.

>>10195834
>>10195839
>>10195842
All of this is useless without a dress or item name.

>>10195806
I need you to tell me which brands other than AP, especially non-sweet brands, are releasing more hime stuff than a few years ago.

>>10195845
I don't know about anybody else, but I'm not here to talk about a specific item, or ask people to help find it for me, just the feeling in general since it seems to happen to others in lolita.

>>10195815
You're gonna do all that....
For your boyfriend....?

Girl if you don't go seek Jesus and find a better dude....

>>10195789
You enjoy being a cunt?

>>10195773
>>10195811
Thanks guys! I was just curious since they originally said that there would be no difference in this release, but the photos I’ve seen (not just this one) made it look otherwise.

>>10195845
Lots of people on the hunt for something rare will not share the name of it. And once we find it, it usually stays in our wardrobe and is not resold so there's no functional point to tell the item name then, is there? Fwiw though, my two rarities were a certain cut and colourway of Iron Gate, ’excellent condition’ and a certain colourway of Puppet Circus in ’almost new’ condition. The second one took the longest. They are old and have flaws. I wanted one with no cracks or flaws in the print, no missing or abraded trim, no strained seams, no marks or scuffs on the velvet, no scratches on the buttons.

I'm curious about something. What kind of lolita content would you pay $1 per month every month on Patreon for? If a few decently experienced lolitas got together to produce some content on a dedicated website, for lolitas, by lolitas, what do you wish it would be? What do you consider to be something that would give actual decent value?

>>10195859
>lots of people on the hunt for something rare will not share the name of it
maybe that’s why it’s taken you years to find shit... iron gate and puppet circus are always going to be expensive and what’s you described will always be rare and desirable. you saying “hey, any sellers?” won’t change that. particularly if you are intelligent enough to haggle if they come at you with a stupid price

>>10195865
That’s an oddly specific amount, but honestly I would pay top dollar for good blog content these days. It’s a desert out here for written content

>>10195865
>please give me ideas I can monetize
lol no

>>10195870
Not oddly specific, just Patreon’s minimum. Everyone is leery of people trying to make a buck off some kind of ’fanbase’ or ’turning their hobby to profit’ but I think there might be a fair chance at a content subscription of some kind out there that is actually a fair exchange and well done. No one expects to get rich and live the high rolling burando lyfe off of it but is it such a stretch to think we could do something good and useful that at least paid for itself and part of our time to produce it? So I'm asking.

>>10195877
No, not that, we have ideas. But it's fair to ask you ’what kind of content gives you value’ instead of serving you clown lolita or a pile of salt and then asking for a handout.

>>10195768
Piss off.
Asking if an MTO has aesthetic changes in the way anon did was a good thing, and you learn what listings being passed off as the real thing are replicas by knowing what the real thing looks like.
Think before you respond like a complete chode next time.

>>10195879
>is it a stretch?
It might be. I run a webcomic that has a bigger target audience than a lolita site and we don’t break even on Patreon donations (we do on con appearances and there’s value in advertising for our other work, but I doubt that’s what you are interested in). I don’t think you are looking to make money, but you really should start out with “What would I want to do for free?” Not because it’s fair that you won’t get paid for your work, but because expecting otherwise is unrealistic.

>>10195708
>no special lace
Between this, the full shirring, and the fact I don't trust the new ownership I ended up passing. There have been too many issues with the accessories and I've experienced a couple issues with one of the newer main pieces as well.

>>10195373
That's not true at all anon. I've seen plenty of western girls posted. They are just always skinny because blouseless looks bad if you're overweight.

>>10195870
>It’s a desert out here for written content
Whenever I read this kind of statement I feel like you gulls don't really want the content you claim to miss.

There are a bunch of nice blogs out there with a lot of content, but you gulls just keep on nagging here instead of going out there and commenting or encouraging the ones who are blogging.

>>10195868
Because this is the lolita General? I post WTB in the BST thread all the time for the dress I want because that the thread you ask for that kind of stuff. How new are you?

>>10195913
Can you name some examples or give me a pointer where to find good lolita blogs please?

>>10195894
Thanks for the insight, anon! Those are the ideas we did brainstorm about, first off, what can we do well and of those things, what do we like best? So we have that and now it's time to look for a couple of good major areas of overlap in what is actually useful to the community. I know asking for opinions here is a crapshoot but we are covering the bases too and we all know this is a well visited website where people don't give much asspatting too. Even reactions like >>10195877 are valuable feedback. Hopefully we can get a little more feedback too.

>>10195909
I had not heard about the issues, are they posted somewhere that I can read about? That's bad news in general though.

>>10195708
I love this desperate attempt to make it sound bad, when they actually improved on the print quality as seen in recent releases and was always full shirred.

They mentioned they made more stock than usual and it sold out like crazy. It’s clear that you are in the minority here.

>>10195922
You have been under a rock then. They have been using cheaper lace and been hot gluing bows and flowers to headdresses rather then sewing them like they used to. They have had a change in fabric quality and have cut corners in sewing.

>>10195917
If you are patreon anon, I’m going to be honest and say that if you don’t know of any lolita blogs you probably should not be starting a paid content service.

If you are just looking for things to read:
>Fyeahlolita
>Buttcape (stephano.me)
>Rainedragon
>Lacealamode
>That one lifestyle blog that got deleted but everyone shits themselves over (i’m blanking atm)

>>10195918
I think it’s worthwhile to try and start a content site. Anything outside of youtube or instagram is virtually nonexistent save for some infrequent, okay blogs. I just wouldn’t need gun for monetization.

>>10195930
Does anyone remember an old blog that got deleted that used to have a color theory post that included this pic of xylia-x in bodyline? Ramble rori I think it was? I want to archive that post through wayback.

>>10195930
No, I’m just someone looking for quality lolita blogs.
Fyeahlolita is my absolute favorite but it hasn’t been updated in years so I’m looking for others...
I completely forgot about buttcape, thank you!

>>10195909
What issues did you have with the main piece?

>>10195917
Some time ago there was a blogger thread here on CGL with a bunch of blogs from different parts of the globe. Check it out on the archives

>>10195924
I think it's fine if you want it and I'm glad it sold out, I just listed the points that made me pass on it for myself, there's nothing wrong in doing that. A sell out release means that the next one will come that much sooner and I am a Moitie fan, just not a ’buy it all’ type.

>>10195926
I have been under a rock on a no buy, actually but thank you very much for filling me in on these facts, so I can watch for them. Ugh, hot glue? Really, Mana?

>>10195941
You’re welcome! Buttcape still updates so that’s nice.

Other blogs that still update include:
>It’s Vanilla Bear
>Cupcake Kamisama
>Roli’s Ramblings (has blog roundups of the few people around)

But the pickings are so slim

Non-lolita jfashion & still updates:
>Emiiichan (i think??? she took a huge break for a bit)
>Hellolizziebee

>>10195930
No, that was not me and yes we are taking a very good look at what is out there already, in order to spot gaps in topics and to specifically avoid trying to re-invent or ’top’ what other sites are already doing. I don't like that approach at all, more diverse information is good for us all, not egotistical repetition of things that are well covered already!

>>10195955
Sounds like you’re already off to a good start. I’d just say post frequently (as you can see, that’s the biggest draw for blog readers) and lean more on written content than photography. Photography is obviously important, but it’s nothing we are short on these days.

>>10195922
The issues with accessories were mostly posted on Insta but RoseNocturnalia reviewed a few things on her blog, including a hairpiece that broke due to being held together with hot glue. Buttcape also has a review on the socks up on their site. The other anon is fairly spot on in their short version.

>>10195942
It was the Neo Gothic Arch JSK, and my main issues were the fact that the measurements were off by ~8cm or so (i can shimmy in and out of the dress without unzipping it, to give you an idea of how massive it is on me), and the ribbon straps and corset lacing weren't finished properly so they're fraying. Other people have mentioned the sparkly foil shedding. It's minor stuff, but I expect better from MmM.

>>10195373
If you have pretty arms blouseless is fine. But if you don't then don't bother

>>10195960
It may be minor stuff, but considering the older stuff not doing that and their price tags you would expect equal quality to what it was. But the quality dropped a bit in some areas yet the price point never really changed. I didn’t get silent moon simply because I don’t care for the print even when it first came out. But if they do another release of alchemy I’m double downing on that one for sure. The quality isn’t that bad, but that print I am willing to overlook the minor issues for.

>>10195941
From the last thread:

buttcape.blogspot.com
windowwarmth.blogspot.com
marietuonetar.blogspot.com
aliceinlolitaland.com
armurederose.blogspot.com
electricspacecarousel.blogspot.com
gotadebaunilha.blogspot.com
lifessweetessentials.com
newvoguechildren.blogspot.com
ventovir.blogspot.fi
gloomthzine.com
teaandmacaronsblog.blogspot.com
thebloodyteaparty.blogspot.com
abc-lolita.blogspot.com
rosenocturnalia.blogspot.com

>>10195865
Translated articles and scans of Tulle, Eternita, GLB, Melt, Pannier etc.
I wouldn't pay for your own articles since there are plenty of free lolita blogs, but I pay for these Japanese magazines and can't even understand them. Also some of them are sold out and I couldn't get them.

>>10195930
Princess Skye?

>>10195877
Lolitas: ”Mew, mew, no one gives us the good content we want, I would so support someone doing good content, the fashion is dying, Info is so lacking, mew, mew.

Ok so...tell us more of what you'd like to see and read then.

Also lolitas: NO!

>>10195976
Yup, my adhd brain just deleted her name for a minute

>>10195979
I think you underestimate how entitled the average internet user is. It’s gotta be what I want, high quality, ad free, without a paywall, and if you even so much as think of paying yourself for the time you put into it you are a money grubbing hack.

>>10195980
Lol I have ADHD too

>>10195985
Probably so. But I support several interests on Patreon with a minimum contribution and some of my friends do too, so I cannot just let myself think everyone is such a shameless spoiled freeloader, right? Otherwise no one would make anything!

>>10195852
Dead

I really want to have a up to date list of scammers scam sites and Milanoo puppets. The only we really have is the one that hasn’t been updated since 2012. Scammers don’t even have a database at all. It would make referencing to newbies who and what to stay away from a lot easier.

>>10195979
Stop generalizing, I don't have the opinion you quoted.
>Ok so...tell us more of what you'd like to see in order to support our patreon
ftfy

>>10196010
Nah, you have >>10195985 opinion tho

>>10195821
i did, it was available for a suprisingly long time, like 20 minutes. I thought for sure they oversold it but I just got my confirmation. Not sure how many they got.

>>10196010
No, you have it wrong again.
What's being said is: tell us more about what everyone would like to see that will benefit the community most. If we can do some of that, we will and those who can afford to (and want to)can support us on Patreon if they think we do a good job and want a few additional perks. There's absolutely nothing skeevy or unsavoury about it.

Do you buy a magazine for the content? Yes.
Do you buy a book for the content? A game? Yes and yes. Why do you think other people should work completely for free to provide you with niche content in the first place? That might be a good question to ponder next time you are bored and wishing for a good lolita zine, channel or blog.
And if that is so repugnant to you well...dont partake?
Wah, they might ask for a dollar!! So horrid!!. Kek.

>>10196024
Listen, if you want to do this you are going to have to accept there will be people like the anon you are replying to. A lot of them. Especially on this board. Most of them are young or have the business logic of a cumquat, but there will be many of them and you have to be ready to ignore them. Lolita content creators who have been around for a decade who have a patreon are often decried for being shills or are assumed to be “in it for the money” when they are making less than minimum wage corn their work. This person is unfortunately common, and if you can’t deal with people assuming you are out to make a buck when you are lucky to cover web costs and a coffee, reconsider this project.

>>10195979

I like supporting people and I support a few patreons already, but my god you sound obnoxious. I can't imagine your content being any better.

>>10195585
>>10195594
No this discussion belongs on the toy board

>>10196077
we've had doll threads here before and it was fine, they generally focus on dolls that are wearing lolita and brand collabs

>>10195711
More like anyone who uses a term like "burando boner" is a troll for very obvious reasons.

>>10196034
Then we probably aren't the content you are looking for but it is a catch 22 if people cry about wanting good content (and we all know that do) but can't quite manage to ever even say what content that might be.

To those who do weigh in, many thanks, we can now look into our resources to be able to provide some things for you! Perfect!

>>10196033
And you are right, I guess it was too much to ask that just a straightforward approach would yield anything more productive then it has and its time to just ignore and stop replying to people who won't get what we are doing anyway even though the cost to run a website and the dollars and cents on written or other media produced content are not rocket science to calculate. The idea was to launch with a clearly optional by are incentivised Patreon from the start so no one was ’surprised’ by it later and I still think that's the best plan.

>>10195815
>told me it's safe and life changing
Weed is safe but its definitely not life changing unless you already have cancer in which case, you wouldn't be getting high.

Ecstacy/molly is definitely not safe and is only life changing in that it can put in the hospital and it's easy to OD from.

Please do your research.

>>10196020
No I don't, stop strawmanning. I supported and still support people who are doing what they're doing out of passion and self expression and not because their main reason is patreonbux, fame or because they want to cater to an audience.

>>10196024
See, this is the kind of mindset I hate. I would like to see you doing what you love and express your creativity regardless of what "will benefit the community" and not treating it like a freaking job before you even started.
>Why do you think other people should work completely for free to provide you with niche content in the first place? That might be a good question to ponder next time you are bored and wishing for a good lolita zine, channel or blog
And again, stop strawmanning.
>Wah, they might ask for a dollar!! So horrid!!. Kek.
Already showing a great tolerance for critique anon.

>>10196103
Some of us are adults who have to take into consideration what our time is worth and what we can afford to waste on creative projects. I’m webcomic anon, and I treated that like a professional endeavor from day one. Does that mean I care about my comic any less or that I’m some soulless corporate drone? No. But I’m also aware of what my time is worth and how much I have of it. Planning your finances in advance and asking “okay, what will people buy so we can keep the lights on and what will we give away because they won’t pay” is a mature question to ask.

>>10196087

No, I feel you need to have some idea yourself of what content you do best. Do you like writing? Drawing? Editing entire zines? Shouting into a webcam for youtube? The people I chose to support chose their own endeavor and grew their base from there. SS, while I don't particularly like her content, did the same and I'm really happy she has a pool of fans who support her.

I know you aren't going to make much money from this at $1 a month but you sound super fucking weird if you don't even have a fucking clue about what you may want to do.

So do what YOU want. Do what you're good in, or what you want to be good in. Going on a anonymous Scandinavian hiking board and asking for suggestions then getting mad when a board known for trolling and bait doesn't give you any is really dumb.

>>10196103
I already said we looked at what we are competent to do, then of those things, chose what we like the most, and only THEN posted here to see where there might be intersections of what we like, are competent at and what people want to see. It's also important to me and one other in the group that we be actually trying to give the community something it lacks if we can. That's not catering or rendering, its using something we like and are good at to produce something useful people. Lifestyle and translation topics came up. One of us is a lifestyler and another translates competently, a third has a huge GLB collection. So see, there's good potential crossover.

>>10196108
Please explain to me how treating your hobby like a business has anything to do with maturity and what exactly I said that you are arguing against.

>>10196109
This.

>>10196110
It’s best to just let it go and stop talking about it before anyone figures out what project this is at launch. Don’t give trolls fodder before you even get started.

>>10196024
People give you money after you prove yourself

>>10196110
Do what you think the community needs. Asking about it here isn’t going to get you answers. Just snarky remarks and people giving you something they want but may not be beneficial or profitable for you. If you are making content that people are buying, at least post on a regular schedule. It’s how you grow on any platform. Posting regularly and consistently will give you followers. Doesn’t matter what the content is. If you build it, they will come. If you up keep it, they will stay.

>>10195348
>Japanese lolitas are gonna freak over the big sizes, getting my popcorn ready.
Do they usually? That's kind of hilarious. What do they usually say?

>>10196111
>Maturity
Well, not wasting billable hours is generally seen as mature. As is knowing where the funds for the site you are putting together will come from. However, if you want to assume that every content creator you follow started with candy canes and pixie dust dreams and not a plan in the world, okay. You’re wrong, but okay.

>>10195979
Nobody’s going to give you money if you have no content to show. Even SS only started asking for money and feedback after she made popular videos based off her own research, she didn’t say “give me money and THEN I’ll make videos for you and also tell me what to make the videos on also I have no way to prove the quality of my content”

>>10196119
Imagine having a proper job and extra funds for your hobbies and projects, so you can fully live out your creativity without having to adjust and restrict your art and worrying about not getting money from your audience.
>However, if you want to assume that every content creator you follow started with candy canes and pixie dust dreams and not a plan in the world, okay. You’re wrong, but okay.
What are you arguing against? I said none of that.

>>10196119
Expecting payment for a bunch of work that no one asked for is not mature. Especially for a community as small as ours. You sounds deluded.

>>10196118
I know Chinese ones are vocal about it. I assume Japanese will be too. Moitiefags are probably still used to the one smaller size?
Asian people don't adhere to PC behaviour with overweight. If you’re fat, you’re just called fat and if something is big, its big.

>>10196126
They didn’t expect payment, they asked what people would be willing to pay for. Believe it or not, your answer can be nothing. Asking is not coming to your house and demanding your lunch money. I

>>10196118
Last time they said shirring takes away from the aesthetic, this isn't the VM they know and love, the silhouette is all wrong, basically a lot of thinly veiled "fatties get out of my rorita"

>>10196120
If you think for one tiny minute Tyler or Lor did not run numbers on their projects, you are deluded. Tyler switched from goth content to lolita for a reason, and Lor’s fake ’lovely’ persona is also there for a purpose. Probably not entirely to do with the views and the money but i would say both are decently influenced by it. Lor more visibly.

>>10196134
Lor in particular because this is her profession. I’m sorry, but everyone who thinks that successful content is devoid of strategic planning is so fucking stupid.

>>10195868
As if Raines and Gemgem aren't on the lookout for what prints and releases people care about enough to buy from a scalper.

>>10195870
Nayrt but do people still read blogs? I'm pretty out of the loop but I got the impression that people in general were more interested in bite size instagram content and YouTube stuff

>>10196129
You’rem acting like gods gift to Lolita who’s going to deliver AMAZING content, and that we’re all ungrateful bitches for not spoonfeeding you ideas. Meanwhile, your work could be absolute trash for all we know, why would we want to give you our good content ideas?

You’re clearly just some lazy teen trying to get ideas from us without any work.

>>10196142
If you need 4chan to tell you that people want puppet circus I don’t know what to say.

>>10196134
>>10196140

no one said you can't run numbers off of a project you are already doing and tailor more specifically to your audience. we know this happens.

what's dumb is anon's shit meltdown on this board after demanding ideas that nobody will see executed since it is all behind a paywall. and who the fuck wants to throw money at an unknown.

unfortunately in this day and age, it's a bait and switch. put out free shit, then see if people will pay for this shit. it works. but you need shit first.

>>10196134
...did you even read what I wrote? I’m talking about how SS got her ideas and WHEN she started asking for money. They did their own research to figure out what content to create and subsequently monetize. Then after getting popular enough they asked their subscribers what to make while also still coming up with original ideas. Meanwhile you’re a no name with no fans getting mad that people here aren’t telling you what to produce

>>10196147
Don't be a pedantic shlub. That was an anon's example so the dd's actually being talked about were left unmentioned.

>>10196140
>everyone who thinks that successful content is devoid of strategic planning is so fucking stupid.
Literally no one itt said that.

>>10196124
People who side hustle usually don't give their all at work or often put off their side hustle because they have to put in more work elsewhere.

t. I work at a place where people have side hustles and since I'm in charge it's pretty easy to see who doesn't give a fuck about their job because they make money elsewhere or they're sad because they have to focus on work instead of their blog/patreon

>>10196096
Molly is a perception altering substance. Creating new pathways in your brain can be a good thing, but not without caution.
Personally, I can't trust ecstasy, not with how many cuts of it uses pcp or just ~whatever~
Moon rocks tho, mfing moonrocks.

Scared the shit out of me after a coke/bennies bender to think 'man I cant wait to do that again'

>>10196162
Anyone who doesn’t have a job because they’re expecting to make money full time from online lolita content (despite not releasing any yet) is a massive regard.

>>10196166
*retard.

My sweet autocorrect is trying to assume the best about your retardation.

>>10195815
Drugs aren't safe, even weed has been shown to kill brain cells and negatively affect memory in various studies. But if you must do them, keep it private. There is a loud and proud stoner in my comm and yeah we do judge her and intentionally exclude her from things bc it's tacky.

>>10196162
If you're in charge, it's your failure they apparently have time left to do other things. All I do at work is pick up the phone. I have offered to do other things inbetween phonecalls but they have other people for that, who also have time left over at the end of the day. So now I do the financial administration of my sisters company during my work hours.

>brands cater to chinese lolitas taste, everyone gets annoyed
>"why can't they ever cater to us?!?!"
>brands proceed to cater to western lolitas with re-releases in bigger sizes/more shirring, everyone still annoyed

>>10196162
>>10196183
Mte, also that they don't have enough challenges and opportunities to keep them interested in their job.

>>10196184
I’m not annoyed. I can understand if smaller westerners are annoyed though. Lolita isn’t a hive mind anon.

>>10196166
Oh I agree. Even though you kind of showed how dumb you are by being one of those people that just can't wait to post so you miss auto-correct entirely.

>>10196183
I'm in charge but it's not my job to fire anyone, just to report how they're doing in general with work. I'm also there answer questions/help with what they work on, etc.

And where I work everyone has time to do extra things? I work in pretty open office and we offer all kinds of hobby things for people to do on their breaks. If someone wants to take their 30 min break to work on their etsy store, that's fine cause they're not getting paid for that but it's going to make it pretty obvious that they care about their etsy shop vs putting in work to get a promotion. That's what I mean. Is that it's more apparent.

>>10196196
I wouldn't want to get a promotion at a company where they think it's special that you get to do your own thing during unpaid breaks.

>>10196196
So you agree it’s retarded to do, but you’re doing it? You’re deluded if you think you’ll be successful enough to quit your day job.

Ok second thought, please do that so we can ridicule you.

>>10196184
>brands proceed to cater to western lolitas with re-releases in bigger sizes/more shirring, everyone still annoyed
Burgerland and fatties are not voice of all western lolitas.

>>10196166
I don't think Tyler or Lor make a fulltime living wage from their channels. I get the impression Tylers SO has a good job and they kind of do her channel as a hobby side gig that lets them use her lolita purchases as a tax write off because she uses them for ’work’. Not shabby, pretty smart.
Patreon and YouTube bux didn't fund that big closet of hers, that's sure.

>>10196207
Moitie fags will be eternally sour now that it comes in more burger friendly sizes. But they can thankfully clutch their Iron Gates at midnight on every New Moon and whisper, ”Nevermore”.

So. Now that Haenuli is leaving us behind for married bliss, what company or indie design house will become the new rising star fatty-chan brand?

Dollbe closed, right? Seems like there might be room for a new indie brand to rise up and shine with prints in the large sizes.

>>10196200
>but you’re doing it?
doing what exactly?

I'm not any of the anons that were previously being replied to, I literally live off my full time job and I don't have a side hustle. I just work with people that do.

>>10196198
No one thinks it's special - but if someone where I work has a side hustle, it's what they talk about and those who get promoted - don't talk about that stuff because they're not doing things like that.

>>10196219
I would say Lady Sloth - and their prints are way nicer than Haenuli's.

>>10196219
definitely lady sloth

>>10196222
Okay, am I the only one who thinks her prints are tacky as fuck? I’ve always liked her staples but now all she sells is ugly bat prints

>>10196222
From what I hear, her custom sizing at least is somewhat better too. It has always been obvious that Haenuli just graded her patterns bigger overall, she didn't re-draft them for large sizes, that is why many of them have shoulder slip, shorter waists and uneven hems on fattys. Let's hope Lady Sloth can do better.
Dollbe was not so good overall.

>>10196228
Lady sloth is great when making gothic prints.

only... that.

Well it's almost midsummer and no sign of housewife chan or Chinese Gossip this year? I'm somewhat disappointed, I admit.

>>10196237
Good riddance, HWC is an annoying attention whore that derails every thread into making it about herself

>>10196219
Why did Dollbe close? Not enough sales?
>>10196237
I really miss CG. Speaking of which, I've always thought if they have a cgl equivalent there or is it just weibo shit

>>10196228
I've always found her prints to be meh. But i am into that lace she's working on, it's pretty cute.

>>10196234
So, not to be rude on and swedish death cleaning board, but no. Her goth prints are ugly as sin too

>>10196243
It's okay if you don't enjoy them, anon. I personally like the past stained glasses prints they had, the Winter Cemetery and the Nevermore. They look much better in person, I must say.

>>10196240
she hasn't posted in literal years....

>>10196245
It’s entirely possible it’s just me, but I saw them live at a Lolita Collective popup and I was so disappointed considering how well made her stuff is.

>>10196253
>It’s entirely possible it’s just me,
I mean, it's just your opinion.
>her goth prints are ugly as sin
>ugly
that's subjective

>>10196258
That’s... that’s what I said? I’m not arguing with you. I’m saying I think they are tacky (in fact, I started with asking if anyone agrees with me). If you don’t agree alright, that’s fine.

>>10196237
>Chinese Gossip
Anon she hasn't posted since 3 or 4 years, the last time at lolcow. Are you a time traveler?

>>10195708
The measurements for the new op are the same as the original release and the biggest difference is the bottom lace trim which wasn’t special lace to begin with. You’re just mad that a) you didn’t get it, b) you already have it and spent more than you should of on it c) you’re a bitch.

>>10196241
I think dollbe did close due to lack of sales.

I wonder about a Chinese language lolita community site too, it would be fun to eavesdrop a bit because I enjoyed CG’s posts. I don't think there's a Japanese one because they do events differently and not really so much actual comm gathering so not that much to be posting?

>>10196267
There's 2chan for japanese lolitas. They gossip about twitter post and events and talk about typical general stuff. It's so similar to cgl, it almost feels like home.

>>10196267
there's no cgl equivalent on 2chan? that's surprising

>>10196259
I'm not >>10196258, just to be clear. I stopped answering on >>10196245.

>>10196265
Must be C then cause I never liked it in the first place, then the replicas with the misprint design were such a fiasco. My eyes are burned from one especially fat specimen firmly encased in the disfigured discounted print that was way bigger than a skirt has any decent right to be, and lastly, with that shirring, the original is just big.

>>10196260
Yes. Shh. : ^ )

Does the japanese lolita community have fat lolitas (fat by asian standards I guess) and if so what do they think of them? Is it a big deal?

>>10196282
Of course lol. And at leasy on 2chan they are freaking savage when it comes to making fun of them.

>>10196282
In Japan, lolita fashion is considered a fashion for fat girls almost exclusively, ’debu-chan’.

So all the supposedly ’tiny’ Asian lolitas that western girls love? Sorry to say that by Asian standards most of them are actually considered kind of fat.

>>10196287
I have yet to see a source for the fat girl fashion thing other than "because I said so" and one anime screenshot.

>>10196285
the last time someone posted a screenshot from 2chan that wasn't the case.

>>10196287
Yeah, as if women who fit into MM are fan.

>>10196306
*fat

>>10196290
Don’t ruin their view of glorious nippon

>>10195952
> Emiiichan
YES thank you so much anon, I loved her content and thought that she quit blogging entirely. She's probably the best (or one of) for jfashion blogging

>>10196287
risa is fat now ok anon

>>10196290
if you just look at many street snaps of lolitas they aren't all exactly the most thin people out there, everyone wants to pretend that all asian girls are 100lb waifs but that isn't true. lolita is also a really flattering fashion since only your arms and legs are really visible.

>>10196323
I thought she quit too, but then i checked back for a specific post and she’s was blogging again! Very exciting.

>>10196330
>arms and legs really visible in lolita
bait confirmed

>>10196252
Because HWC was a roleplayer and got called out on it all the time. But still was entertaining none the less.

>>10196326
Not the models, dumbshit. Risa only wears lolita when she's modelling as far as I know and see how her waist ties always pull the back of the dresses way in, lots of folds. Risa is a normal sized Asian I think. Smaller than a US XS.

>>10196330
Girls in the lolita street snaps are mostly debu. Cute but chunky monkeys.

>>10196290
Someone posted a video of interviews with average Japanese guys and every time they held up a lolita snap, one of the more outspoken guys laughed and mumbled debu-chan. The others laughed and did the embarrassed agree thing.

>>10196348
>Risa is a normal sized Asian I think. Smaller than a US XS.
Go jack off somewhere else, dumbshit

>>10196337
Everyone here gave her a free pass for shutting up threads about her relationships problems.

>>10196348
Which street snaps are you looking at? Give us a website or source where you’re seeing this, cause I’m not seeing it.

>>10196348
Risa is way thinner than a "normal sized asian", she's borderline spoopy and anachan. Risa is a lot thinner than popular models like Tsubasa Masuwaka or Kumicky or Okarie. Especially when you compare Risa to her older photos from 2013 she was a bit thicker looking.

>>10196377
compared to an older photo of her

for the record, I think most Japanese girls are very thin, obviously thinner than the american average, and they're built differently compared to westerners. I don't think all Japanese lolitas are secretly huge, but I also think anons who think Japan is a paradise where every girl is thin and will immediately ostracize anyone over 120 pounds is delusional.

>>10196210
Iron Gate OP can fit a whale.

>>10196377
She looks really good here. Clear and glowy skin, shiny hair. Not at all spoopy or ana chan, just thin, which is perfectly fine.

>>10196380
Wow. I never knew she was chubby. I had seen that photo before and I thought it was someone else.

>>10196388
Who wears the IG op though? People more on the chubby side, of course. This is no big secret.
That's a given, we do know which mmm op are big, you know!

>>10196210
Was probably an attempt at wry humour.
Everyone knows that the more moitie sells, the better their business will go and the more releases we will get. I'm patient, and I don't really like the SM print. I didn't like Sleeping Garden either but I was glad to see it re-released and mmm doing really well. I can hope they fix the hot glue problems and step up quality control on construction though.

Did anyone check on the tags to see if the newer releases of mmm are still actually made in Japan? JetJ is, Antique Beast is, Naoto’s things are, so are Alice Auaa. The rest of the brands I'm unsure. Need to read tags.

>>10196356
Glb snaps.

>>10196396
She's hardly chubby there, just bigger than she is now. There is a middle ground where people are in a healthy bmi you know

>>10196403
I don’t get the obsession with where things are made but no, they aren’t in Japan. I have gardenia and it says South Korea, same as Sg.

>>10196396
You’re delusional ana chan!

>>10196403
VM is still made in Japan

>>10196413
I'm not obsessed but that's a claim to both the higher prices and better quality construction and attention to detail, if the pieces are still made in Japan. It used to be a Japanese brand point of pride. And mmm made in Japan didn't usually have the quality control issues very much that people are now describing.

>>10196424
Qc issues have been in the accessories not the dresses, so it is a moot point.

We need to get past the idea that made in Japan is ideal, most brands moved in because it isn’t sustainable. Their factories are closing down all the time it’s hard to function unless you are small like AB.

>>10196396
She's like the definition of healthy average/normal here, what are you smoking

>>10196430
You did not read the QC issues in the dresses, I guess, and inaccurate size issues too? They are both a thing. Not saying that it’s because of where they are made, just that it’s currently happening more frequently than it used to so heads up.

>>10196436
It is because of where it's made.
Not the country so much as the factory and being stringent with what quality you'll accept from the manufacturing process.

>>10196443
Since it’s a newer place with different lace etc, let’s just hope things will get sorted out and settled. But meantime, it’s good to keep an eye on it. Mmm prices are too high to have lesser quality, and with limited sold out releases, bad QC can mean the difference between dress or no dress if you have to try to do a return due to a defect.

>>10196410
It's okay to admit that you're from burgerland and don't have a concept of what's normal.

>>10196452
Nayrt but also a burger and I think the second photo seems chunky. It’s obvious from the thinner photo that Risa is really very small boned and not muscular at all so people thinking the second photo looks ‘healthy’ might be mistaking the solidness of her legs for toned muscle when it’s obvious from the thinner photo that her muscles are also tiny and proportionate to her frame, not larger or especially toned or built at all. Rather the opposite.

>>10196380
I never thought I'd say this because I prefer models to be borderline skelly but her face looks so much prettier here

>>10196452
>>10196455
There is a healthy medium here, and it isn't exactly healthy to have no muscle at all.

>>10196479
>>10196479
she also looks better with a bit of a tan, helps her look healthier

>>10195865
I honestly wish this would happen and something would come out of it. I hope Lolibrary girl is doing well but I'm worried since the site hasn't been updated in quite a while.

>>10196480
God you sound like my father. Gain weight, you look too thin. Get some sun, you look too white.

>>10196455

She looks fine anon. God I hate ana chans.

>>10195705
I mean, it helped them get their HC rerelease...

>>10196330
So you're just speaking out of your ass then. Just because you saw a "chubby girl"(for asian standarts) in a streetsnap doesn't mean it's a chubby girl fashion. In the last oldschool thread was a source that showed even im 2002 they complained about metas "big" sizing.

>>10196348
>Someone posted a video of interviews with average Japanese guys
>Someone posted a video of interviews with average western guys and they said lolitas look like ugly toddlers
>that means western lolita is a fashion for ugly people and ageplayers!
Anon please. Give a real source or admit you're just wishfully thinking.

new chapter is done

Kitai Fuku Ga Aru by Taketora Tsuneki

Chapter 3 - Unfulfilled Dreams
https://imgur.com/a/qYytedg

Chapter 2 - Exit the Net Cafe
https://imgur.com/a/M89cBpQ

Chapter 1 - I want to be myself
https://imgur.com/a/ej9a1vA

>>10196549
I'm tearing up, this is so great

>>10196549

Thanks anon! I love this series, I'm really looking forward to the next chapter

>>10196549
I hope every Lolita-at-Heart reads this and is encouraged to buy and wear some fucking brand. Well done anons, you should get it hosted on some of the reading sites like mangarock

>>10196549
Bless you anons!

>>10196513
I wasn't giving that as a reliable source, obviously, I was trying to remember the context and find it because there was a discussion. I know I've actually seen a couple of things about it but I'm just not remembering where. There's absolutely some context for it, no one just pulled the notion out of their ass. But since it's not really even that popular in Japan as a fashion anymore these days, laying hands on niche fashion media content from a decade ago takes some digging to turn up. I'm also not that invested in ’convincing anyone’ either, I know what I've read and seen, I could give a shit less about what others think.

Comparing the sizing in new AP pieces to gyaru brands should tell you something though if you have eyes. But I know most of you don't shop for lolita clothes in person so that may be lost on you too. *shrug*.

>>10196480
You do realize she's quite photoshopped here to give the darker skin color and more curves right?

>>10196493
No one said she didn't look fine. You can still be chubby and look fine. Obviously since she's a model.

>>10196642
Even that's changed though for gyaru brands. Japanese sizing is getting larger in general.

>>10196485
she's fine

>>10196549
Wow I'm in love with this story. I feel like it captures that lolita experience so perfectly. Chapter 1 was very hard to read in places because of low res, but the rest was good, except for when there was the outlined text.

Someone brought an umbrella to the meet to use as a parasol and I can't decide if it's cringe or not

>>10196712
Stop roleplaying.

>>10196643
>photoshopped to give her more curves

considering she’s still relatively straight shaped in all those photos, they did a bad job of it

new bread >>10196714

>>10196549
this is so good. I love her male friend. He's like me, so supportive.

new bread >>10196763

>>10196798
>>10196829
It's really suspicious there is so much activity. Did more people come here because of that one video?

>>10196680

the fact that you called her 'chub' 'unhealthy' gave me really weird ana vibes anon. Just because not everything is pure fucking muscle doesn't mean she's unhealthy for a bit of fat.

>>10195705
It got shit done though

>>10197141
And you already know people messaging Moitie doesn't get anything done because you can see in the future or you work for them? I don't even care, it's both embarrassing entitled behaviour.

>>10197155
One of these things is not like the other.
I'd be surprised if you have two brain cells to smack together.

>>10197251
You're right, Moitie encourages people to contact them through social media and Mana himself has asked people to let him know what your favourite thing from Moitie is.

>>10196133
Where was this? I'd be curious to read they're thoughts...

Does anyone know when the photos from the fashion show in OP will be released?