/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10193184
Bad: Golden Coral

Good: Florian in Venice.

It depends. If you have a bunch of cheap casual lolitas in your comm, what to do?

Bad: Cracker Barrel
Good: picnic?

Honestly, I don't trust most of my locals well enough to eat food they would make for a potluck picnic. They can barely dress themselves.

Lone lifestyle stays lone.

I could not believe people were seriously stanning fucking Cracker Barrel as a meetup LOCATION. Not even just "hey wanna grab a bite before/after" which would still be sort of weird but actually just a meetup LOCATION. You really want me to get dressed up and go to fucking Cracker Barrel and sit next to the people who brought their 6 kids all screaming and endure a million questions from entitled old people and then maybe after we can squeeze ourselves through their crowded overpriced store and grab old lady blouses and say "this could be loliable right???"

I'm not "no fun allowed" and I'm not a fucking lifestyler but how did your lives become so boring and bland that this sounds fun to begin with???

>>10193184
Karaoke meets are actually pretty great, if you're in the same age group. Part of the fun is bonding over shitty songs you like and singing them badly, having conversations while it's not your turn.

The people who think they are hot shit singers actually bring down the fun, because they treat it like serious business. Nothing sours a group karaoke time like one or two people who won't shut up about hitting the right tone, the C sharp or whatever the fuck.
Picnics actually kind of suck most of the time, it's just so uncomfortable to position yourself on the ground and try to eat or do any activity. Also people usually bring too little food and last minute things like cookies or chips. Not to mention any potluck is always overflowing with sugary sweets because that's what they think lolitas want.

The best meets always have an activity around them rather than let's drink tea. That way there are more conversation starters and you can get to know people better by doing a thing. For example, crafting meets.

>>10193208
I agree. As a lifestyler, I've grabbed a bite in a LOT of places on the way to or from somewhere else but to propose a meet there is just a new low. But then I see photos like >>10192800
and where would you even want to take this group? Somewhere nice? Dressed like that?

>>10193208
Why are you so mad

>>10193184
most of my comm is too broke to afford nice coord or even go to a restaurant. try to have nice meets at my house but people think tea party means bring nacho fucking cheese. on my good china? i dont think so.
i think good meet ups that aren't food places are like museums, aquariums, or local festivals could be fun too

I think people just get tired of their homes getting called shitholes here. Not all of us can or even want to live in the city. A lot of people have to drive an hour to get even to a Cracker Barrel, so to them there’s not much difference between that and a cafe. Obviously there are better places to meet and eat but as for a casual lunch with not much planning ahead of time, its fine.

>>10193222
No one cares about Ohio's feelings

>>10193221
That sucks anon. Sometimes you just gotta do a meet that not everybody can afford, and cover your ears against the complaints

>>10193213
I fucking hate picnic meets. Unpredictable weather/wind, sitting on the ground uncomfortably, trying to juggle food without spilling on yourself. Even something as simple as "exploring a park garden" is a better meet.

>>10193222
>Obviously there are better places to meet and eat but as for a casual lunch with not much planning ahead of time, its fine.
This is how literally every meet ever works. Why don't you just try actually planning something ahead of time like the rest of us?

going to a restaurant feels like it would be a bad idea. they are normally loud, crowded, and expensive. I've been to two meets and one was at a cafe and another at the park. I really liked both of them.

>>10193266
going out to eat together is a meet that lolitas have done together since the dawn of fucking time. they're social places to enjoy each others' company. plus, everyone needs to eat anyways

>>10193184
>’No fun allowed’ chans vs elitist tea-sama types?
Whut?

>>10193266
They are crowded because it's a great place for groups to meet.

>>10193184
>Arcade vs wine bar?
Wine bars > arcade bars. I love arcade bars but they're filled with badly dressed dweebs who don't care where they spill their drinks. Too grimy for lolita.

>>10193261
Sorry you don’t have enough friends in your comm where you would be able to say “let’s go to Cracker Barrel for lunch tomorrow, who can go?” and have them show up

>>10193305
What a bizarre conclusion to come to. If you have the time to decide on a restaurant, and they have the time to dress up specifically for an outing, why the fuck would you pick Cracker Barrel?

Also, showing off that those itas are your friends is not doing you any favors, yikes.

>>10193308
Not my comm, I’m a lonelita actually. Sounds like someone’s nerve was struck though.

>>10193221
Are they too poor/cheap to even make tea sandwiches?
Theyre hella cheap. Buy a loaf of wonder bread. Some argula or charr. Some sliced deli roast beef. Cream cheese. A Cucumber. Dill. Turkey. Swiss cheese. Like 6 strawberries.
Boom a huge variety plate.

>>10193319
oh they could do that but they have no class. i say tea party an i get volunteering to bring doritos.

>>10193260
I completely agree. I have tried to endure picnic meets and it always sucks.

>>10193321
>dorito dust near my brand.
The fuck kinda trashy bitches are in your comm?

>>10193317
So it's not your comm, but you just pulled a hypothetical situation out of your ass and pretended that's what happened? No wonder you're a lonelita, you clearly don't know how to treat your friends.

>>10193321
Ghetto as comm

Cheap
Filling
Fancy

Pick two.

>>10193334
Cheap and fancy.
You dont need to be stuffing your face. Just enough to be satiated.

>>10193277
right, i'm saying going out to eat at a cafe or something is better than a loud busy restaurant. restaurants with special areas for large groups works though.

>>10193308
This is weird to get upset about. That comm doesn’t look that big. If they are all friends who like Cracker Barrel and like wearing lolita, who cares what they do.

>>10193222
Have fun wearing your lolita at Walmart

Is it me or are meetups extremely cringey

>>10193357
it's you

>>10193348
they look ita anyways, I suppose that's fitting for them

>>10193357
Meetups with groups that you're not really into are generally cringey...
I've stopped meeting up with most people because there's typically at least one "muh bad health"-chan, a teen, and a poor-and-complainy-chan at each meet. Sometimes it's all the same person. I can't stand them; I just want to talk about the new brand releases and share sewing tips with other refined individuals. Therefore, I stick to the people I know and like.
But private friend outings are elitist and it sucks having to be sneaky about them.

>>10193364
>private friend outings are elitist
Since when is it elitist or snobbish to meet up with your friends? The only people who unironically think this way have no friends to meet up with, for a good reason.

>>10193357
it's probably you. but i know two other lolitas who feel that way. i met them through other hobbies and they don't understand why you would organise a meet-up just because you wear a similar clothing style as others. they assumed it's mostly awkward people without friends.

>>10193370
>mostly awkward people without friends.
Depends on the comm. Personally, I enjoy meat because while I do have a lot of friends none of them are lolitas. And I generally feel more comfortable wearing Lolita in public when there are others wearing it with me.
I am a new person in my comm so hopefully I can make some Lolita friends to hang out with outside of meeys

>>10193379
same with me. I don't want to "embarrass" my normie friends by being dressed in lolita around them, or to make them feel invisible when people inevitably comment on my outfit. Rather than joining a comm because I "have no friends", the reality is quite the contrary: I join it because I'm considerate of my normie friends.

>>10193196
Why would you even want to meet with them? Choose whatever cute bistro you want, fuck the poorfags

>>10193382

>I don't want to "embarrass" my normie friends by being dressed in lolita around them

I mean I get normie colleagues, but friends? I used to think like that but then said fuck it and now they are more than ok with it. But I have an eclectic group of friends who don't blink an eye at a niche Japanese fashion.

>>10193325
Whatever you say friendo, keep acting like you know other people’s lives like a busybody creep lol

>>10193393
I will with some of my friends and won't with others, but I just don't like imposing on them. It also highly depends on where we're going and what we're doing.

>>10193334
Have you never actually been to a formal tea? If you bought the ingredients yourself like Anon said, it's hella cheap and very filling (heavy cream and butter in the desserts, mayo in the sandwiches, cream based soups). If you are a lazy piece of shit you can even buy cheesecake and eclair bites premade for cheap at the grocery

>>10193420
You can wear toned down stuff if it makes you more comfortable. I once didn't wear lolita at all with one of my normiest of normie friends and she got so sad and asked if I was feeling okay. I think you'd be surprised how much people don't just not mind it but actually like it. It might not be something they'd wear but they love seeing you in it.

>>10193196
I’d invert your selection. Cracker Barrel is an indoor restaurant with a shop that can have cute country sweets and gifts. It’s appropriate for country lolita too.

Picnics are for poor fags and attracts those types and it’s. Nothing fun about ants, weather that can be hot or rainy, cheap ass lunch meat sandwiches, having to share some park, and hoping there’s nothing disgusting about the area you’ve decided to set up on.

>>10193196 #
I’d invert your selection. Cracker Barrel is an indoor restaurant with a shop that can have cute country sweets and gifts. It’s appropriate for country lolita too.

Picnics are for poor fags and attracts those types and ita’s. Nothing fun about ants, weather that can be hot or rainy, cheap ass lunch meat sandwiches, having to share some park, and hoping there’s nothing disgusting about the area you’ve decided to set up on.

>>10193357
You’re the type people don’t even want at meetups.

>>10193196
Are you in North Carolina?

>>10193482
Japanese girls picnics look really nice.

>>10193524
Which lolitas did this? This looks awesome.

>>10193524
Can you imagine trying this in the US? Everyone would complain about having to bring real dishware and actual nice food, and probably stuff would end up broken. We can't have nice things like this, maybe in other countries.

>>10193305
If those words ever passed my lips I think my friends would accuse me of taking up day drinking. I don’t go to places like Cracker Barrel even outside of lolita. I looked at the website info and they just fry everything together in one big gross deep fryer. Nope.jpg

>>10193590
It's because Japanese lolitas tend to be older than the poorfag weeb teens that tend to comprise US comms.

>>10193646
To what places DO you go?

>>10193305
Sorry you and your dull friends have shitty taste in restaurants.

>>10193524
From the background of this pic it looks like one of those festivals where they’re there for like 12 hours. I can’t see them setting up like this just for a regular picnic.

>>10193654
Nayrt, but can you really not think of a single place to eat lunch in lolita besides a Dennys tier chain? You don't have any nice local brunch places in your city besides fucking Cracker Barrel?

>>10193656
It's probably just busy in that park because it's cherry blossom season. I doubt any would want food sitting out for 12 hours.

I'm honestly shocked that people who are interested in a luxurious aesthetic such as lolita fashion would defend having a meetup at a fucking old people chain restaurant.

>>10193666
Did you see the people who attended that meet? Only one had a decent coord that wasn't bodyline. Clearly, none of them bother with "luxury".

>>10193654
Historic venue, museum cafe, 2 garden themed restaurants. We have several locavore centered restaurants with great but simple seasonal menus and even more locally owned ones with changing fresh specialties. A couple of the hotels in my city offer nice afternoon teas, we have several cafes that have custom tea blends and fresh macarons daily, a chocolaterie with a nice lunch, 4 locally owned coffee roasters with lunch offering. Wine bar with live jazz on weekends, Otherwise I eat at home, cooking meals like normal people? Of course we have some chain restaurants but the food is boring and for a very similar price you can visit those I listed above.

>>10193660
I asked a simple question for the anon’s taste with no implication that I don’t know any, but go off

>>10193670
>city
That’s the problem. It’s harder to find stuff like that in the country, and is it really worth driving an hour for brunch?

>>10193652
Another good reason to have a wine bar or cocktail bar meet at least once in a while.

>>10193666
There are far more people who prefer the cute and casual aesthetics these days but it’s still no excuse for Cracker Barrel. That’s a new low and I think you have to draw the line somewhere. I try to be understanding but it’s hard because I AM into the luxury and elegance aspects. I guess the solution is to plan and support the meets that we like and speak up politely and say that ones like ‘casual dining at places like Cracker Barrel’ do not interest us. Our comm allows anyone to plan meets so people are free to plan as they like for sure.

My problem is that most of my comm is not very well dressed so I don’t like to take them to more elegant places I go to on my own. The ones who can afford to dress well mostly give lolita a lower priority than their other hobbies and we do have quite a few poorfags in our comm as well.

>>10193674
Former country-fag. Yes, it is.

>>10193674
My area is not that large as cities go, under 500k in the entire metro area and quite spread out. Try looking into locally owned places, you may be surprised what you find even in smaller areas. But yes I’d drive an hour for a nice meet, and I have. Visiting neighboring comms is fun if they have interesting meets (and often better dressed attendees).

I found a nice brunch/high tea place 8 minutes from the Cracker Barrel that those itas went to. it has 4.5 stars on yelp. Can you country fags stop making excuses for them now?

>>10193687
>>10193686
For a meet, yes; for a casual brunch and nothing else, though...
>>10193688
What are the hours? That’s also a minor inconvenience with a lot of local places.

>>10193688
I don’t think anyone is defending it as a place for a meet, just that it’s an ok option for dressing outside normie clothes and eating when there’s nothing else going on.

>>10193692
7-1 for Brunch on Saturdays, even longer hours the other days. If that doesn't suit your fancy then they have another good local brunch place 15 minutes away from the Cracker barrel or a french bistro with sidewalk tables and a brunch menu 16 minutes away.

>>10193186
There's a pretty large number of Aria cosplayers that do shoots in the Florian cafe

>>10193694
Itas absolutely BTFO

There is no excuse to eat chain restaurant garbage

>>10193695
The quality of that costume does not match the luxury of that background lol
>>10193694
Cool, if I were that comm I’d go there instead. But, we don’t know their circumstances.

>>10193692
I have driven an hour to meet friends at a half way point for a casual meal, yes. And no it was not at a chain restaurant either. As far as hours, if it’s a brunch and tea place I’ll assume it’s open during weekend brunch hours and similarly for afternoon tea or by arrangement?

You can eat wherever you like but defending going to shitty places in lolita with the flimsy excuses of ‘casual’ and ‘small area’ really don’t fly. It’s a lazy and very basic bitch kind of low-effort choice, why not be honest and just admit it?

>>10193698
>we don’t know their circumstances
So.... poor? Explains their outfits.

>>10193702
Schedules, whiners, tongue-in-cheek country lolita joke, idk.

>>10193698
I've never actually seen a high-quality aria costume, unfortunately.

We could all be like Lor and wear clown-lolita, jelly shoes and shitty wigs and go to Taco Bell too but I really don't see the appeal. Most towns have at least one decent restaurant, cafe or both.

Poorfags and casuals need to BTFO with this shit.
Most Embarrassing Behavior.

>>10193699
I’m just playing devils advocate for countryfags since I have been one my whole life. I don’t even go to meets since I don’t like to drive and they don’t interest me.

>>10193704
Schedules? Not seeing how that would restrict you to a Cracker Barrel when other restaurants I've mentioned are all open the same times.
Whiners? Cracker Barrel isn't exactly the pinnacle of restrictive diet dining so I can't imagine why anyone would throw a tantrum about specifically needing to go there.
Country Lolita? There are 2 Southern dining places with good reviews that offer breakfast just 12 minutes away from their Cracker Barrel (and one of them is pretty fucking cute).

The answer is "poor".

>>10193714
Or "classless".

>>10193702
Low effort poorfags casuals by the look. I’m wondering if some comms like this actually deter any nicer dressed people from coming out to meets. I’m guessing yes. If that was my local comm, I’d absolutely stay away and be a lone lolita rather than attend Cracker Barrel meets with them dressed like that.

>>10193715
Ding ding ding.
I think we have a winner with the correct answer here.

>>10193715
>>10193716
Imagine choosing Cracker Barrel over this place, just 15 minutes away.
https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/verandah-cary?select=ZhJOax9MwHcChzbViJ4H-w
Their prices aren't even unreasonable. $10 for a 2 egg breakfast plate with sides.

>>10193720
i'd actually love to have a country/Southern belle themed meet at a place like this, that looks adorable

>>10193694
As someone who lives in the area, there are plenty of nicer cafes and restaurants within a 30 minute drive in any direction. Durham, Raleigh, Chapel Hill, and Cary are all very accessible. So the "driving an hour for lunch" argument doesnt work too well here anyway. At least, it likely wasnt the reason the meet was hosted there. The hosts probably just really like cracker barrel for some reason.

>>10193724
I mean, the old fashioned candy in the store is pretty dope.

>>10193720
I’d go there in a heartbeat. But there’s another problem. None of them but black gingham and the 2 waffle skirts are dressed nicely enough for the place. Maybe they go to Cracker Barrel because it suits their ita level of dressing?

>>10193715
Honestly everyone is going to hate this, but this is why I try to be fair with these types. Having grown up in an extremely poor and obese tiny town in the country, I can see that a lot of people just don’t learn class. Their parents didn’t have class, their friends’ parents didn’t have class, so they are later to understand it than people with more money and social networks. I’m fortunate where my mom grew up dirt poor and was smart enough to break out and teach me some element of it so that I don’t have to live like that (still low-income, but higher than the welfare whites). In fact I’m still kind of mediocre at fashion since I didn’t understand quality until late, and if I had ever been in a rich family’s house as a kid I really believe I would have been more aspirational in my career goals.
So I’m tryna say its kind of not always itas’ faults they’re slower to dress nice and go to classier places to eat. Hopefully they’ll learn, but in the meantime I really hate that city- or mid-income-raised idea that poor countryfags don’t deserve any empathy for their situation, which they likely aren’t even aware of (like I was as a kid).

I wonder everyone, even rural everyone, being raised on the internet will affect ita-ism though. Maybe the next gen will get to skip this slow-learning step?

>>10193733
By the same token, these types shouldn’t be allowed to drag the whole group down either. It’s a fashion group not a democracy. If people are doing it poorly (yes pun intended), then they will get called out. There are a couple of third world country lolitas who rock their bodyline and loliables really well in very polished and decently elegant coord styling and probably have smaller budgets than most of these Cracker Barrel Bumpkin Babes.

>>10193322
I actually really like picnic meets. It's just difficult when the people with 1 billion allergies show up interrogating everyone. Please if you are allergic to more than 3 things bring your own food.

>>10193737
But these types were the entirety of the Bumpkin Babes. No one there was coorded above mediocre. There was no one to drag down. Cracker Barrel is fine for them. The only thing they can do is learn with time, or one of the better lolitas who may refuse to be seen with them steps up and helps them see there are better options. Maybe I am more empathetic than I should be.

>>10193733
None of us are born learning about lolita, we all had to figure out what works and what doesn't in this fashion. They knew enough about the clothes to find local communities, buy the clothes, and put together an outfit. But you're telling me most of their comm suffers from some clothing-related learning disability because they were all poor?

This is a fashion, not a charity. If you can't afford it, either save up for it or don't buy it. If you look like shit and can't do basic things like matching colors, you're going to be ridiculed.

>>10193741
Clearly you can’t read because that’s not what I said. It’s easier to not look like shit when there are people around you, who you have seen and talked with irl, who don’t look like shit. Less people in poor country = less people who dress nice. And with all the ita stuff in fb groups, amino, etc. it doesn’t help.

>>10193740
If they have their own comm and they are all like that, sure I guess? Though I question if it’s actually even lolita fashion at that point. I do think it drives anyone better dressed away from a local comm though, to see and read this stuff. People in smaller towns are usually going to be even more concerned with being seen by peers or co-workers in public and I’d get tired very quickly of explaining why I’m out with such poorly dressed people at what is supposed to be a ‘fashion meet’. Those gals are rather the opposite of anything at all fashionable in any universe.

>>10193744
The city they live in is really not some poor obese backwater shithole. A quick look at their city's stats showed me that I'm from a far poorer hometown. I think you might be projecting.

>>10193747
I get it but to the average Cracker Barrel person they are “fashionable” since it’s not normie wear
>>10193748
Again just playing devils advocate on why they MIGHT look bad. I know for sure if a group of girls from my 1000 person town got into lolita the same time as a group of girls from even a 10,000 person city, the latter would look better in a year’s time just due to sample pool and social connections.

>>10193750
About 3.4% of families and 4.6% of the population were below the poverty line. total population reported by the U.S. Census Bureau was 23,699.

I get what you're trying to do but you're making excuses where there are none. You're just plain projecting.

>>10193752
It's also 15 minutes away from a city with half a million people.

>>10193752
Projecting what, exactly?

>>10193755
Projecting your life story onto others to whom it doesn't apply at all.

>>10193757
Well, that’s why I said MIGHT. It was something to consider.

>>10193524
I'm honestly planning something like this with a few specific lolita friends but I'm still looking for a cute enough basket with dishes.

>>10193750
But no one cares what the average Cracker Barrel person thinks, that the point. They are shitting up the fashion and misrepresenting in general. Every time an ita group like that steps out calling their group a ‘lolita fashion group’, Misako kicks a puppy.

>>10193729
That's not a problem its a solution desu
If my comm only had 3 nicely dressed members who were able and willing to go get a cute brunch with me on short notice at a place like that, and the rest were fuckin slobs who would embarrass me, I'd gladly take the party of 4.

>>10193379
>>10193382
Why don't you just wear casual or toned-down with your friends?

>>10193427
You’re very lucky if someone in your comm has a house that is considered fancy and big enough to accommodate the group.
I’ve been to countless formal teas and if you cheap out on them you get some good pictures and some decent tea but usually extremely mediocre food.
Maybe in burgerland they give you a lot of food but in my country they definitely do not.
But this is OK because planning meets is about compromise.

>>10193683
>>10193720
>>10193714
>>10193208
I don't understand your autism over Cracker Barrel. You must live in the EU and not understand how vast and empty parts of the US really are.

Chain also isn't explicitly a bad thing. Tea shops, at least in America, come and go frequently unless they're very well established. Once you've gone to the few in your area, you have to think of new things. This is a really big problem for smaller towns, too.

A lot of the lolitas that go to Cracker Barrel probably don't have endless cute restaurants, aquariums, and museums nearby like a metropolis. They may not have any of those things at all, for that matter.

Probably unfortunate comms out in the sticks go there. Cracker Barrels are always in weird "inbetween" locations and easily accessible from a main road. They actually statistically know a huge chunk of their customers are travelers, not locals. I think that says a lot about why you might see a comm flock all the way out there, like lolita geese traveling to find anything halfway decent.

Have a little sympathy on country-chans, is all I'm saying.

>>10193875
Why do you choose to stay there if it’s so bleak and awful? I’d understand if your hobby was raising horses or corn or something, but if you’re passionate about a Japanese luxury street fashion why wouldn’t you at least live somewhere with sidewalks?

>>10193888
Someone needs to see Kamikaze Girls.

>>10193888
You must not have a job, family in need, or appreciation for the same things some anons do, since not everyone’s lives revolve around a fucking clothing hobby. There are pros and cons.
>>10193875
Yeah small businesses rarely last. Actually, even when I went to college in the city, there was only one cafe I can think of that was up to this threads “cute” and quality standards. New places will try as hard as they can, but my theory is that Americans just don’t value presentation or experience as much as (for example) Japanese people do. It is the only country I’ve been to outside the states and there are countless family-owned places with amazing comfy curation and decor. I’m not sure how they stay afloat if not for cultural values.

>>10193524
Ha there is a cute old lady with tiny feet smiling to the camera

I’d love to host a small tea party and gaming night at home if my brother could not leave his shit everywhere for half a second. other than that, my favourite kind of meets are just walking around town or organised events at cute cafes. so glad I live in a city with so many awesome cafes and we don’t have to resort to Cracker Barrel. Had a high tea meet with a few friends and it was amazing, although kind of expensive.

>>10193900
Many Americans seem to value cheap & quantity over quality, which makes it hard on businesses that don't have the bulk buying power of a big chain to drive down their supply costs.

That said, being reliable patrons at a small business can help them stay afloat, which will earn a lot of goodwill towards the comm by the owners. Our local cute bakery tolerates us spending ages taking outfit photos in their space because at least a few of us are in there every weekend spending some cash, so they've gotten to know us and appreciate our business. It might not be as exciting as trying a new meet location every time, but if you're in an area with limited options, it's worthwhile to support what's there in hopes that it can stick around.

What kind of things do you make/buy when you host a meet at your house and want to invite vegan lolitas?

>>10193983
Veggie or tofurkey sandwiches with vegan cream cheese, cute individual veggie trays (they have cute small serving cups at party city), mini quiche, mini vegan Mac and cheese. There are a lot of dairy and meat substitutes at trader Joe's or whole foods if you live in the US.

>>10193720
Wow! I knew the whiners in the last thread were full of shit. I've lived in both the city and country and travel a lot within the US, so I know about how there is genuinely nothing nice in some places. Guess what, those places don't have Cracker Barrel and couldn't support a comm. This is why I knew there would be something else there, CB/ Olive Garden/ Friday's only pop up in towns much bigger than most of the US

>>10193875
Maybe if you patronized small business instead of giant conglomerate chains, your local tea shops would stay in business

>>10193750
Winnie the Pooh cosplay and pink handmade abomination are not even lolita. I see the point you're trying to make, but they aren't making any effort at all. The Bodyline chans in their group looked better, at least they could give a normie an idea of what the fashion is

>>10193874
You don't need a big and fancy house, wtf. Are you 12? I've hosted 10 people at my apartment which is fairly cute before. It's a 2br $600 apartment and I decorated it nicely with antiques and nerd shit. I would love if I had a comm to meet with at my apartment

>>10194008
Sorry but where on earth do you live to pay only 600 for a 2 bedroom?

>>10194037
Literally anywhere that isn't the most heavily populated areas of the coasts.

>>10194037
Midwest.

>>10194037
Forgot to add, I also intentionally live on the outskirts of my city to get this price. Living downtown is $1000 and up

>>10193693
This.

>>10193699
How often you drive out that far bud?
A couple times a month?

>>10193213
On the other hand, I hate karaoke meets and love picnic meets. Karaoke meets in my comm are just the same few girls all recording themselves for Instagram instead of actually having fun. Picnic meets have been good so far, and have introduced me to people who don't usually manage to get on the guest list for the more expensive meets.

>>10194085
This. Karaoke is a fun thing to do with one or two close comm friends. Picnics are more social and chill

>>10194037
Lol the privilege

>>10194004
Cracker Barrel is family owned, they do shit like slow cooking their roast beef for 18 hours. It's not Denny's, I'm sorry you live in a shithole that doesn't have a genuinely good one.

Meet ups can be informal and be comprised of multiple parts, do activity, go to a casual dining spot, hang, drink, whatever. If one of those informal meets happens to go to a chain, it's perfectly fine.
My comm at least has the presence of mind not to take things too seriously and enjoy each other's company as well as the fashion.
That being said, we do patronize local small businesses, we're very lucky to have the kind of quality we have here considering we aren't in a huge city.

Anyone up for a Waffle House meet?

>>10194115
Lol the poorfag

>>10194115
I'm privileged because I live and work in Dallas?

>>10194150
You sound privileged because you have never heard of rent being under $600.

>>10194153
Yea rent here for a 2 bedroom is about 800 dollars at the lowest where I live. Just because housing in more expensive here than wherever you're at doesnt make me privileged, it just means the cost of housing is more expensive here.

>>10194163
So never in your life considered that there were cheaper places somewhere else? Lol can’t you see how “where on earth do you live where rent is this cheap” sounds bad especially when that is considered expensive for rent near college campuses/city centers

>>10194181
Nayrt but my god are you retarded. Higher rent means people are struggling to get by even more. How is that privilege?
A studio apartment in one of the worst cities in america near me is $600.
Pretty sure being able to afford rent easier is privilege not the other way around.

>>10194261
Living in the city, where rent is higher, is already a privilege compared to living in the countryside, where rent is cheaper. There are no universities, in some cases no hospitals, and less options for literally everything, from food to job opportunities.

>>10194261
Ok, and my piece of shit 2br apartment in college was $700/month when the same quality could be found outside the city for half the price.
Either live in the city with high cost of living but also city perks or live in the country with low rent but not as much to do. Not that difficult to figure out, cityfag. Jobs exist everywhere.

>>10194153
AYRT is probably used to living in an area where rent is inflated. You throwing around the word “privilege” makes you sound retarded and probably live at home with your obese grandparents cause your parents are in jail for meth

>>10193875
The Cracker Barrel itas live 15 minutes away from a city with half a million people. They don't live somewhere "vast and empty". You're just making shit up.

>>10194286
Lol, my mom takes care of the local methheads who get dumped at the hospital she’s worked at for 25 years, but if being classist is a good cope for confronting your own ignorance of the world outside of where you live, keep at it I guess.
>”my stars, there are people who actually LIVE where rent is under $1000!? how dreadful!”

>>10194312
Your mom is a good person

>>10194290
What is reading comprehension? I said people who live far away will travel to something like a Cracker Barrel because they're on main roads and sometimes in "inbetween" locations. Some are around cities, some are more out on the road.

I also don't know anything about that particular comm you vendetta posted and I never said they live anywhere "vast and empty", but you again can't read. I was just talking about rural lolitas in very remote or low pop towns.

I personally couldn't care less what individual comms do, but you sure seem to care a lot about that particular one.

>>10194290
What is reading comprehension? I said people who live far away will travel to something like a Cracker Barrel because they're on main roads and sometimes in "inbetween" locations. Some are around cities, some are more out on the road.
I also don't know anything about that particular comm you vendetta posted and I never said they live anywhere "vast and empty", but you again can't read. I was just talking about rural lolitas in very remote or low pop towns.
I personally couldn't care less what individual comms do, but you sure seem to care a lot about that particular one.

>>10194405
their location is in between two major cities, literally only 30 min apart from each other, and there are multiple locations in that mid-way city which are way better than Cracker Barrel. Several locations in that same tiny city are posted here. You're desperately trying to defend them by making shit up that isn't true. Is this your comm or something? Or can you just not use google and assume everyone else is as retarded?

>>10194163
Oh my god I wish a two bedroom was about $800 here! Are you in the US?

>>10194181
Your argument is weak and so are you.

>>10194438
I don't even know who you're talking about, rabid vendetta-chan. It's nice you know exactly how far away that Cracker Barrel is from that comm and their exact location between cities. It's also interesting you probably grabbed those photos from a private page. Way to out yourself, you tard.

>>10194122
Sometimes the service is great. Sometimes they don't wash the silverware.

>>10194447
Stop taking bait.

>>10194122
Rave till 3am, then roll into a cracker barrel your friend works at and party till real customers come in.
Good timessss

>>10194450
>gets called out for posting their comm
>i-it's suddenly bait
I wonder who it is.

>>10194444
Wow I sure am convinced

>>10194454
>>10194462
Samefag is samefag and also a load of cheap polyester.

>>10194153
A two bedroom in my area goes for $1800 a month or more. If that anon is 'privileged' then I must be the fucking queen by that logic

>>10194531
Missed the point entirely. It’s not a quantitative thing, it’s whether you’re aware rent for poorfag exists or not.
>>10194480

>>10194536
Just shut up already.

>>10194543

>>10194545
is this one of those neural-net generated waifus?

What's so hard about this? We usually just go shopping and then find a cute/cool/glamorous place to eat/drink.

t.gyaru

>>10194565
Gyaru is a little bit easier than lolita to blend in with though. When making Lolita meets a little bit of thought needs to be put into minimising public interaction.

>>10194447
No one has a “vendetta” against them you retard, they’re just itas and everyone is talking about them here because it’s a prime example of a shitty meet . OP even included Cracker Barrel because this entire discussion started on the its thread.

And no, the pics weren’t from a private page. If you don’t even know who we’re talking about or what is going on, stop making shit up and throwing around “vendetta”, it’s embarrassing. Lurk moar before you comment, newfag.

When I think of a lolita meet, the first word that comes to mind is "fancy." Cracker Barrel is not fancy.

>>10194726
Yeah, really. I can't tell if Cracker Barrel is the new Olive Garden is fancy meme or there are legitimately people here who stan CB.

Sometimes there are surprisingly fun things to do even if you're out in the middle of no where. Some old small towns have historic homes you can tour and it doesn't cost much to get a croquet set and do a fancy picnic in ones' backyard (so bust out the nice china instead of buying ugly solo cups). Community centers (like churches and libraries) and craft stores often have space to do a quiet crafting meet at. My suggestion is to look into one's local park district site or magazine for things to do.

>>10194729

Yeah this honestly.

Also just coming from bumfuck middle of nowhere cracker barrel tends to not be an option if you truly are in a town of 1000 or less - you're lucky if you have a McDonald's. If you have cracker barrel, you likely have more Lolita appropriate venues. Antique shops for instance are very common in small towns and would be wonderful to explore as a meet.

>>10194737
>bunch of petticoats
>antique shop
Ehhhh

>>10194746

The antique malls I go to are pretty spacious. Most are warehouses with more room than goods. I've never even brushed anything when I go in lolita which is pretty often. So I don't know what you're going on about, unless you insist on the OTT three petticoat and cage skirt look for every meet.

>>10194447
>>10194678
i'm the one who posted that handmade ita in the ita thread, the one that started all of this, and got the photo from her public instagram. i did not post the comm photo but it is also on her public instagram. you don't even need to have an instagram account to view it.

>>10193392
Because if you choose something fancy and even a bit more expensive, poorfags and itas cry. And if you have a small comm, often that's over half the group.

>>10193499
No but that's far from the only place that has an ita comm problem. It seems to be getting worse, not better.

>>10194784
I’m the one who found out their location and took 5 minutes to find multiple nice restaurants a short distance away. Also got that info from the publicly available Instagram. I don’t know any of them personally and originally thought they were in Ohio because someone kept mentioning Ohio for some reason.

To be honest I never saw the point of picnic meets mostly because the weather here is unbearable but also there isn't much to do. A perfect meet for me is anywhere with an a/c and good food (so a fancy place), and thats pretty much the only meets I will attend

>>10194585
This is not really necessary if you stick to fairly upscale places, that's part of the point. If you go to nicer places, any pointing, staring or any actual interaction from nosey people is just minimised because it's less socially acceptable to just come up to people the nicer the place is. Daily lolitas know this already, it's much more likely we are approached the more casual the atmosphere is.

I wouldn't go to a meet in a place like Cracker Barrel. Lolita is a fashion, the meets are supposed to be fashion opportunities and there is nothing remotely fashionable about the Cracker Barrel experience.

>>10194799
Genuine question: why even bother going out with a comm that’s mostly ita? What are you even going to talk to them about if they don’t bother buying proper Lolita dresses and can’t coord? All they’re going to do is make you look worse by association and probably just talk about random non-Lolita shit. You might as well just go out with normie friends.

>>10194824
In hopes they improve and a few do? I don't go with them that often but I try to set a good example. I mostly do go out with just regular friends, no one minds if I'm dressed lolita because they are used to it.

I guess I feel at least some small obligation to my home comm. I really wish they would get better though.

>>10194826
You’re great, keep helping your comm out. More people need that feeling of obligation instead of turning their nose up.

>>10194824
>>10194826
i do the same, while its embarassing to see comm members get posted some of them have been taking my coording advice and its nice to see some actually improve!

>>10194824
I actually enjoy having non-fashion centered conversations with people regardless of how ita they may look. In my comm, the itas are actually the nicest. They’re usually really welcoming and have the whole “ugly duckling” syndrome going for them. I think they know their coords aren’t the best but they make up for it by being nice and friendly. I try to keep my advice to myself because I don’t want to come off as elitist or bossy....but I look forward to the day someone asks me for help!

>>10194784
>>10194802
You guys are fucking creepy.

Good: Museum, Aquarium, Botanic Gardens, cute cafes, and obviously tea shops. Pretty historical places are good if they have a restaurant in it/nearby, too.
Bad: Someone's house, picnics, fast food. Cons aren't terrible, but they're often not great.

>>10195001
There is nothing wierd or creepy about that.
You sure you're old enough to post here gen z?

>>10194761
nayrt, but I live in an area where rents are high and commercial retail space is costly. you're lucky to shop somewhere with wide aisles.

>>10195001
It's not creepy, just one curious anon checking out the situation when one handmade ita posted to see if Cracker Barrel was the only close decent option and finding out the opposite plus discovering nearly an entire comm made up of these lolified itas .

There's really no excuse for a comm full of handmade itas kitsching it up at a low class venue and calling themselves examples of ’lolita fashion’. I'm disowning them and people like this from now on. What they are doing is far enough away from lolita that I feel ok actually saying about 5 of these, ’no, I'm not sure what they are doing but that's NOT lolita fashion’.

>>10195044
I was commenting on rural areas but I go antiquing wherever I visit and not once has my petti knocked over anything, rural or metropolitan. If you're mindful you'll be fine.

>>10195005
See, this is very sensible and simple.

This is fashion, not rocket science. Lolita clothes, especially used ones are reasonably priced enough that I'll go ahead and say this:
1. If you don't have a decent full lolita coord, you aren't ready for any public lolita fashion meets.
2. If you can’t afford to go to decently upscale and elegant places for meets, please find another fashion or hobby that is a better fit for you.

I don't see Japanese or Chinese lolitas schlepping around in crappy loliables hanging out at cheap chain restaurants.

>>10195054
Live in reality.
It is in fact possible to do a variety of things and cross class and societal boundaries.

Lolitas wear their coords in grocery stores, pump gas, do all those normal things, why are you larpers so hung up on being bourgeoisie?
Lolita is not a costume and you are not nobles. Lighten up.

>>10195059
Words mean things. Meets are for people who are actually wearing the fashion.
5 of those aren't even lolita coords at all.

>>10195061
Only Ohio and a couple trolls have actually been discussing the disaster that is that comm, the rest of us have been discussing the underlying conundrum of what is too low class to do in lolita.

>>10195059
Which reality do you speak of? I have a closet full of lolita clothes and I want to go to fashion meets with similar people who actually wear my fashion, not with people who wear some kind of bastardized quilt cotton handmade dress and a kids Easter hat. Why is this a problem when the meets are specifically held for the purpose of wearing this fashion?

Looks to me like 5 people in >>10195046
Pic (and anyone who dresses like that) need the reality check of ”what is this fashion to begin with?”.

>>10195059
Meets aren’t every damn day and no one wants to wear their nicest coords in a shitty chain. If you seriously can’t afford anything nicer than a fucking Cracker Barrel for an infrequent outing, then you should reconsider being in such an expensive luxurious fashion in the first place. Japanese and Chinese Lolitas don’t have this issue because they understand that accommodating teenagers who buy cat ears and an eBay maid outfit doesn’t cut it. Having a nice location weeds out the wannabes and it’s a more pleasant outing. Two birds with one stone.

>>10195068
Assuming people are even wearing the fashion? Evidently that is assuming a lot these days. That comm isn't something I'm picking on its just a recent handy example of people going off the rails about even wearing the fashion in the first place before trying to do meets. Wtf?

>>10195059
My reality is that my everyday coords are still actually lolita fashion. If you are going to cross class and societal boundaries you better come loaded because otherwise you'll get a smack down. The result? Myself and more meet planners NEVER wanting to plan casual meets in order to avoid wannabes and poorfags.

The entry-level cost for an actual lolita coord on a budget is the minimum acceptable effort.
That's reality.

>>10195059
this is why US lolitas are in awe over an outing like >>10193524 . people like you suck the fun out of everything by forcing everyone else to accommodate your level of apparently extreme poverty where all you can afford is a chain restaurant.

>>10194122
Lmao lets do it ill wear my honeycake op

>>10194064
I live in the midwest and rent is like 1000 minimum around me

>>10193590
I can see it now. Some Bodyline bimbo will roll up bringing in some half off Mrs. Freshleys cupcakes from Dollar Tree. Another would bring a gallon of fruit punch. Someone would put effort into a plating a nice main course. Another person brings ranch doritos. The host brings out nice little displays, a cute picnic basket, cute cutlery and plates, and bakes some very cute pies. Someone cries and complains on /cgl/ that nobody attended to their unique dietary needs and drags down their comm as inconsiderate. The host and the girl with the nicely plated dish vow to never host a picnic meet ever again and begin hosting meets at five star restaurants.

>lolita is cheaper now than ever and if you want to attend a meet all you have to do is meet a bodyline minimum, it’ll cost you like only $70 USD
>lolita is an expensive luxury hobby and if you can’t afford expensive outings with $15 small salads you shouldn’t be in it

>>10195054
Because you don’t live in Japan or China, dingus.

Apparently I pushed some buttons.

>>10195108
Nightmare. I already want to book meets at more expensive places just thinking about it.
No
More
Picnic

>>10195120
Lolita was never meant to be cheap and making it more accessible has led to a severe decline in overall quality of coordinates.

>>10194122
3am, after rave, your boi works dish and let you and your squad in, pass out eating biscuits till customers start rolling in at 6am, still high as balls

Good fucking times

>>10195172
No, an influx of mops and sociopaths and improper gatekeeping of both has caused the decline of our subculture, not /just/ poorfags.
We've always had poor fags and nouveau riche.

>>10195186
Mops? I googled...no joy.

>>10195196
Spam filters won't let me post
>Meaningness dot com slash geeks-mops-sociopaths

>>10195172
ahh good ol' classist gatekeeping. this is why our niche hobby stays niche

>>10195206
Yeah, THAT’S why our hobby is niche. Not because normies think ordering and wearing expensive dresses from Japan that look like historical Edwardian clothing is weird. It’s the pricey, nice meetups that drive people away.

>>10195202
Oh shit, accurate. I don't like this at all but damn. Accurate. They need to diaf.

[lolitas] can refuse to admit mops. In fact, successful subcultures always do create costly barriers to entry, to keep out the uncommitted.

Is it too late?

>>10195206
I'm not really against anything in this post though.

>>10195210
The fact that you think only the expensive Japanese dresses count as lolita is proving my point.

>>10195211
Yeah, it's too late.
Just be glad there isn't any real money to be made in being a lolita content creator.
It could be much, much worse.

>>10195206

You talk like this is a bad thing? Go back to Tumblr lol

>>10195229
You actually think lolita successfully gatekeeps anyone?

>>10195232

I've never had the issue of cracker barrel meets with itas so I'd say I'm doing pretty well.

>>10195224
Fine, replace Japanese with Chinese or American. Still doesn’t change shit. Normies find it weird and they will always find it weird, especially since it originated in Japan. Allowing more poorfags in with Cracker Barrel meetups is not going to make our comms better.

>>10193364
this may sound retarded but do you have any advice on not coming off as a disabled weirdo? my problems are definitely noticeable and i don’t bring attention to them, but if several people are asking me why i’m having trouble (with any number of things) it’s hard not to just brush it off. i’m trying really hard not to be “that person”

>>10195206
Good. Less normies with trash taste to shit up the fashion and demand subpar, low-priced goods because they feel entitled to a luxury hobby. I'm not even rich btw. I just understand what luxuries and financial priorities are.

>>10195237
>>10195239
The cheaper Chinese brands have gotten a lot more people interested in/wearing lolita, which as a whole is a positive. It's not a "luxury hobby" anymore and is pretty affordable nowadays. No, I'm not into the cheap meets either but the fashion itself being more accessible is a great thing and has kept the hobby alive.

>>10195240

Is it really though?

>>10195249
>muh sekrit club

>>10195076
k

>>10195255

Sorry for your low standards. Quantity isn't quality.

>>10195232
My comm sure does. Because we plan meets at nice places only, never cheap ones. That's no accident. Cheapie chans who won't buy decent lolita clothes also won't usually pay more than cracker barrel prices for a meal out either. So far, it's working.
When they complain (and yes, of course, some have), we politely remind them that they are of course free to plan whatever kind of meet they want and a few of them have hosted cheap meets.
The good lolitas simply don't attend.
It all works out.

>>10195206
I feel like the gatekeeping will kill lolita on day.

>>10195264
Id feel sad for all those girls out there who would be able to coord well if only they knew what lolita is and it’s accessibility. To get more quality you need a quantity to start from.

>>10195264
This for sure. I'd rather have very small meets of a few well dressed people. Otherwise when you get people like >>10193184 then its not even really lolita anymore.

>>10195206
I feel like the gatekeeping will kill lolita one day.

>>10195271
You have it backwards. Most of us are not in the fashion to grow it and evangelise it. There are enough well dressed Chinese and Japanese and western people so far to keep it going.

>>10195240

TaoBao can die in a fire. Lolita is a Japanese street fashion not a Chinese internet mall fashion. Do you notice even most Chinese lolitas don't wear it much? There are exceptions, of course, a handful of stand-out brands there and a few very popular pieces...but most of it is trash.

>>10195271
Your tears are for naught because they can learn the same way as I did - from the goddamn internet.

>>10195275
Seriously, I don't understand all these taobao-chans who don't have any respect for the brands that created this fashion. You wouldn't have your cheap Chinese garbage if it weren't for them.

>>10195275
>>10195277

Do you feel the same way about western indie brands or are you just racist?

>>10195271
Until someone has the motivation to reach out to learn it themselves, seek the resources and advice, and learn to actually make a lolita fashion coord, they don't belong in the fashion. It's easier now than it's ever been.
That's what I did. So yes, I expect it.

>>10195275
Their quality is absolute shit. Taobao anon is talking about its affordability as if it’s a good thing, instead of the clearly shittier quality dresses which are putting Japanese quality brands out of business.

>>10195283
Yes and no. TaoBao has exceptions, as I said and I acknowledge that. The exceptions do strive to produce quality. Western brands are similarly hit and miss. Some are really well made, some just shit out some prints. So I judge the western and the taobao items in the same way, by their quality. So I’d say it's fair.

>>10195286
Sorry but you really can't lump them all together like that. Some Chinese brands like Krad Lanrete are well known for their excellent quality. Shitting on everything that happens to be Chinese just makes you look racist.

>be in my comm
>autists won't go anywhere loud (but will talk embarrassingly loudly)
>disabled girls won't walk more than five minutes without complaining and whine about how hard their life is
>vegans won't eat anywhere and won't plan their own meets
>politics discussions at every meet
>one girl obsessed with being the centre of every photo

Can I bring them anywhere to shut everyone up?

>>10195294
Don’t be retarded anon. The exception is not the rule. Cheaper taobao isn’t cheaper because the Chinese have figured out a magical way to cut costs while maintaining the same level of quality. It’s cheaper because the quality itself is worse. Cry racism all you want, faggot, I couldn’t care less.

>>10195345
It's cheaper because the labor and living costs in China are much less than in Japan. Basic economics. But okay lol.

>>10195351
Cheap sweatshops and cheap materials: the pinnacle of quality.

>>10195351
Yeah, all these people saying that taobao quality is worse are just lying.
https://egl.livejournal.com/19342998.html

>>10195361
>2013

uh

>>10195355
Are you aware that western luxury brands and several Japanese lolita brands use the exact same Chinese labor and materials? To find things NOT made in China these days is pretty rare.

>>10195355
>>10195345
>>10195351

Chiming in with basic marketing.

I've brought this up before but if burando dresses can be made in China, then China absolutely has the ability to pump out top quality dresses and slap their own taobao brand label on them.

The reason they don't is because they know lolita is a niche fashion, and the top burando dogs are very hard to knock off their perch. In fact, even western indies know this, western indies usually go in for product differentiation by producing unusual themes and dresses that burandos don't.

Meanwhile, a good, hefty chunk of taobao goes in more for price differentiation, ie-being cheap. This means that while other brands are working hard to deliver a quality dress that delights you at $300, all the cheap brand has to do is charge you somewhat less than $300, and then deliver a dress that's barely better than F21 quality. The buyer knows the dress is cheaper than $300, so they're very willing to overlook all the flaws and problems, because it's cheap. These cheap brands are actually raking in a lot of profits because they don't even have to go halfway to brand quality, cheapskate girls are happy as long as the pricing remains below brand.

So whilst you're here singing their praises, most of these cheap brands absolutely do know what they're doing, and they're doing it on purpose.

I don't really care what people do with their money, I just don't agree with trying to tell everybody that taobao has to be good because SJW card. It's better to let the buyers realise they're getting a cheap dress anyway, if there aren't so many people disappointed by their cheap purchases you'd get a better opinion of taobao.

>>10195274
And letting in a bunch of itas who bastardize the fashion by wearing children’s Easter hats won’t? I’d rather have fewer comm members than those abominations.

>>10195368
The Brands used to use smaller manufacturers, more ethical and skilled labor, with representatives from AP or Baby visiting to ensure quality expectations were met.
With the influx of Chinese market play, we're seeing a shit to cheaper, less stringent management, and simpler designs.

>>10195381
>shit
*shift*
We're seeing this happen due to higher demand than ever.

>>10195377
So Taobao is like the Walmart of lolita.

Well, Bodyline used to hold that position. And taobao does actually have a couple of decent brands where you can tell the designers put their heart into things, but it's just overwhelmed (ironically because taobaolitas want to insist so hard that people should not look down on taobao, nobody stops long enough to pay attention to the small tiny heartful indie brands that aren't really part of the general taobao trend).

Maybe more like a fleamarket where half the vendors pretend they're selling homemade but really most of it was shat out in a factory somewhere.

>>10195377
>I just don't agree with trying to tell everybody that taobao has to be good because SJW card.

That isn't even my point. It's that there ARE multiple good quality Chinese brands, so saying "EVERYTHING from China is shit" is not only incorrect but indeed pretty racist, especially since there are Japanese brands manufactured in China as well.

>>10195385

Well, Bodyline used to hold that position. And taobao does actually have a couple of decent brands where you can tell the designers put their heart into things, but it's just overwhelmed (ironically because taobaolitas want to insist so hard that people should not look down on taobao, nobody stops long enough to pay attention to the small tiny heartful indie brands that aren't really part of the general taobao trend).

Maybe more like a fleamarket where half the vendors pretend they're selling homemade but really most of it was shat out in a factory somewhere.

>>10195391

But... that's... the point...

>china can indeed make burando quality level
>cheaper brands chose not to because it makes money to pretend to be cheap
>buyers are just losing money to those brands because they deliver way lower quality but only a little bit of savings in price so stop promoting taobao ffs

And then there's you. Okay.

>>10195381
So you're saying that these days, the Japanese brands are becoming closer in quality to indie brands? Why do people still worship them then?

>>10195396
To quote myself
>there ARE multiple good quality Chinese brands
that are near or at brand quality levels and they are still relatively cheap. There's no reason not to recommend those specific Taobao stores to people and instead just paint everything on Taobao as awful.

>>10195403

All right, I'm listening. Please do recommend those brands.

>>10195399

nayrt, and I can only speak for myself. I'm mainly AP, that brand gulls constantly like to shit on for polyester releases.

It's still just somehow better than anything I've ever gotten from taobao, or any taobao outfit I've seen other girls in my comm wear. AP's polyester is somehow more textured, has more variety, even better quality -- I've seen girls post that they snagged their dress and then a white line appears in the print. I've snagged my AP chiffon but the dress still remains blue.

I don't know if it counts as AP worship. I do like their older releases more, but their fabric print quality is just so reliable, I'm totally down to buy another dress anytime they release a print I like.

>>10195408
Krad Lanrete has long been praised for it's brand level quality. Many laud Souffle Song and Anna House for great quality as well. Long Ears Sharp Ears is top quality with excellent attention to little details. Infanta has improved a lot over the last couple years, both in design choices and fabric quality.

>>10195422

> Soufflesong aka Neverland
>Anna House

That's.... well, at least we know you're trolling now.

Anyway, if other people are interested, they can read up other people's complaints about soufflesong/neverland, pretty sure most of it, along with Krad complaints, would be somewhere in cgl archives. Anna House is pretty decent but pretty much Bodyline-level quality.

>>10195422
Soufflesong? Seriously? They can’t even hide their shit tier quality in their photos.

>>10195422
Not gonna say TaoBao doesn't have its spot, but

>Soufflesong/Neverland

is by far the worst example you could bring up. There are loads of negative reviews and complains about them and more often than not you can even see the lack of quality in their product photos.

Reviews on social media that praise them to the skies are quite often just sponsored promotions coming from people with a somewhat mentionable followership by lolita standards.

>>10195422
Krad Lanrete is the king of taobao, but that's like being a king of a third world country. They do shady things like push up the prices of their pieces for the Non-Chinese to brand price levels. They also only allow one official Western seller, then don't allow for shopping services to get around their stupid prices. They have none of the tact Japanese brands have. Taobao brands also love scalping the Japanese lolitas in particular because they think they can get away with it.

No matter what anyone says, they are not on par with brands for quality or management. No taobao brand competes.

>>10195485
>>10195480
Careful anons, or they’ll start accusing you of rAcIsM.

I suspect it’s some delusional poorfag or and extremely sensitive Chinese woman.

>>10193720
Is this where people were complaining that there was nowhere else? Raleigh/Cary? There’s no shortage of cute brunch places in that neck of the woods. Even as you get further out into middle of nowheresville NC Cracker Barrel is NOT the only option.

>>10195536
Yup, this is where everyone was trying to use “in the middle of nowhere” as an excuse.

>>10195429
>>10195458
>>10195480
Because there's never ever been any complaints about Japanese brands, amirite? SS is recommended even by brandwhores like Lor and I've def been happy with their quality the last year or so.

>>10195485
>they are not on par with brands for quality or management

Okay? They're still a valid and viable option for lolita.

>>10195517
Nope, you're still the only one in this thread who said EVERYTHING from China automatically equals absolute shit, racist.

>>10195186
Yeah I don’t really know normie “mops” who are into lolita. Getting into lolita requires being somewhat of a weeb in the first place. I guess the “sociopaths” could be Taobao brands.

>>10195408
Nayrt but I've compared Ista Mori’s Nameless Poem construction to Moitie’s and aside from Moitie’s custom lace, its similar fabric, similar stitching, similar lining, similar zipper. I'm of the opinion that a few TaoBao dresses here and there are good (but it takes some detective work to find them) and that no one TaoBao brand can consistently rival most Japanese brands.

>>10195556
Mops are the lolitas at heart and the itas who try to get by with lolifying everything and meeting at places like cracker barrel, I think? Those who consume but contribute nothing but noise/low level garbage content thereby dragging down the fashion in general in the west?

>>10195551
Anon....seriously? You know Lor is sponsored by a taobao reseller right? She unabashedly posts ads for Devilinspired and talks about her sponsorship openly. Please stop....you’re embarrassing yourself. SS is so awful you can see it in their photos. Trying to make them out to be a quality brand is just embarrassing for everyone.

And no, actually >>10195377 posted a whole essay about why all taobao brands are ass. You’re either a sensitive butthurt Chinawoman (wahhh racism) or poor. But either way, you’ve confirmed you couldn’t tell quality if it slapped you in the face.

>>10195557
I had nameless poem too. It was not on the same tier as my brand dresses. It's a beautiful dress but not brand quality. The construction is pretty damn good, but the fabric and lace felt extremely different to the quality I'm used to from actual brand.
However it was the best taobao dress I've bought, and I didnt immediately sell it like I've wanted to do with most of my other taobao pieces.

It's not brand quality though. Beautiful, and I appreciate the cotton (iirc) lining, but brand it is not.

>>10195551
Lot is a very fake and hypocritical ita, and the fact that she's just using the fashion as her YouTube meal ticket becomes more obvious by the post.
She has Zero taste. Her opinions are for sale, she has no problem repping shitty and unsuitable items for cash or sponsorship swag and is happily being paid to be part of shitty projects that actually ridicule and parody lolita fashion.
She has literally become a lolita clown in every sense of the word.
Lor is for suckers.

>>10195562
Woah woah woah, the options aren’t just poor or Chinese. They could be fat, too.

>>10195551
Lor is a very fake and hypocritical ita, and the fact that she's just using the fashion as her YouTube meal ticket becomes more obvious in every video.
She has Zero taste. Her opinions are for sale, she has no problem repping shitty and unsuitable items for cash or sponsorship swag and is happily being paid to be part of shitty projects that actually ridicule and parody lolita fashion.
She has literally become a lolita clown in every sense of the word.
Lor is for suckers.

Can you please stop derailing this thread and the lolita general?

>>10195562
SS =/= DI, and she recommend SS long before that endorsement was even a thing.

No, you're still the only one who said ALL Chinese dresses are shit. That anon said "a good chunk of taobao" which yeah is true. That doesn't discount the fewer, but still valid, quality ones. So yeah still the only racist and classist here sry.

>>10195368
>>10195399
Most Japanese lolita brands are made in Japan

>>10195598
Anon....devilinspired resells soufflesong. It’s one of their products. And Lor is literally a fucking clown so her opinion is irrelevant and was never seen as gospel to begin with. Trying to convince everyone that SS is quality by pointing to LOR of all people is just sad.

And yeah, cheap Chinese taobao crap sucks. Poorfags like you are ruining this fashion. You keep crying “racism” and “classism” as if you’re not on 4chan and anyone gives a shit. Sorry you’re too obese for brand, go cry in a Cracker Barrel about it.

>>10195612
Pointing to one of the central figures in current lolita fashion is pretty valid, I'd say. There's a reason she's one of the most popular lolitas and most people love her. Go ahead and be salty I guess.

Chinese lolitas are a big reason why Japanese brands are able to stay afloat these days, and making their own innovative brands which allow the hobby to be accessible to a wider audience is a big reason why the hobby itself is going strong. Keep going on about MUH LUXURY HOBBY all you want, but times are changing and it will continue whether you like it or not.

>>10195598
Since there is only one anon popping off about how ’all taobao is shit’, why not let them go and return to the topic of good and bad places to hold lolita meets?

Good: full service restaurant offering an afternoon tea. Nice to wear a full coord, price and formality keeps out the casuals.

Also good: encouraging ita-chan and her friends to hold their casual meet at Billybob’s BobaTea Hut at the mall and simply not going.

I'm actually all for low-quality containment meets and just not attending. I keeps the fussing at a minimum. In my area we have a small lolita comm, mostly well dressed people who go to decent places, then the containment comm which is for general j-fashion, meets at shitty places and is full of the fat horribly dressed people and cosplayers.

>>10195622
This is the most retarded shit all day. Clownface Lor’s opinion on a brand that sponsors her is valid? How much of a newfaggot are you? Is this your first day on 4chan? Lor is constantly mocked for her terrible coords. Maybe if you learned about Lolita from anyone except her and Tyler, you’d have realized this yourself.

>>10195626
Another anon mentioned that this was their comm’a tactic as well. Avoid the cheapie-chans with nice pricier meets and tell them to make their own if they whine.

>>10195634
This doesn't keep out brand itas though

>>10195551
>Because there's never ever been any complaints about Japanese brands

People like to complain about and criticize certain japanese brands a lot, maybe even more regularly than about taobao in general, but it's on a rather high level about things like small details, sizing, colorways or cuts, and rarely as substancial as it happens with Soufflesong. Things like mediocre print quality, bad construction, bad choice of fabric/poor fabric quality are things that are getting mentioned on a regular basis when you ask people about soufflesong.

Good: Karaoke, museums, aquariums, nice restaurants that aren’t chains, cute cafes, botanical gardens, holiday crafting meets, ballet/operas, plays, wine bars, street fairs, mini-golf

OK: animal cafes, potlucks, comedy shows, fairs/carnivals

Bad: picnics, chain restaurants/fast food, aimless wandering with no activity planned, grimy casual bars, a meet at someone’s house

>>10195639
Once you have containment meets established, its easy to host private invite-only get-togethers and reference the public meets as ’official’. Sometimes you just have to get a bit sneaky and think creatively.

Why the hate on picnics?

>>10195649
No one in the US can host a successful picnic, according to this thread.

>>10195634
It's a good tactic, you have to be willing to withstand being named ’elitist’, usually having a smaller group and sometimes yes what >>10195639 said, enduring the brand itas. If you are a bit outpoken though, some brand itas can be swayed to get better. I think it is often easier to help a brand ita improve than some rando who is cheap and into lolifying.

>>10195649
Because the most common reason US lolita comms host a picnic meet is because they are cheap so historically those meets aren't nice at all.
I love the idea of a picnic of well dressed people and nice picnic foods in the shade on a not too hot day. Luxury picnicing IS a thing and it's under-rated.

>>10195649
>>10195654
Trying to juggle and eat food over a nice dress is a pain in the ass, and doing it while sitting on the ground that long in lolita is just uncomfortable. Last time I had a picnic, some rando’s dog chomped on my sandwich and wrist cuff. If you choose a shitty location and the shade moves, have fun using a parasol for hours.

I’d definitely be down for a picnic if my comm went all-out like the Japanese example in this thread, but it’s normally never worth it.

Anyone know of any nice shops to get cute picnicking sets? I’d love to have a luxury picnic with my close friends.

>>10195662
Probably the same reason theres hate on tea parties at someones house.
Instead of nice, light snacks, good tea and nice china you get doritos and pizza rolls, lipton tea bags, and disposable plates and cups.

>>10195104
Sorry but it’s hilarious that you think this is high.

>>10195556
Mop: Forever itas.
S: Efame hungry hoes that'll sooner throw you down a flight of stairs if you look better than them at a big meet.
Mop: Newbies that never get better.
S: Scammers.
Mop: Lolitas that don't wear, own or care about brand prefering 'loliable' shit and whatever is as cheap as fast fashion.
S: Feminazis that make the fashion about their religious beliefs
Mop: Feminazis that bandwagon into the fashion because of above sociopath putting lolita on blast.
S: Sissies masquarading as trans
S: Pedos that manipulate the comms they're in to allow them into vulnerable spaces.
S/Mop: Ageplayers that generate negative attention and affirm everything we deny lolita being
Mop: Girls that are here because of Melanie Martinez
S: Lolitas that look the part, own the part, are lauded in their communities, and reviled by individuals they lie, cheat and steal from. Often stories about them are mixed, people keep discussions hushed because they still have friends in the community. The real sociopaths that manipulate to get their own.

I could go on.

>>10195674
nayrt but 1k is high for the midwest you coastal retard.

>>10195722
This is good, please do go on. It's about time these behaviours are plainly brought to light, discussed and put on blast. We need to stop tolerating them.

>>10195748
Midwest. For what it's worth, my rent in a two bedroom apartment was going up to $700. We ended up buying a house and the cost for mortgage it cheaper at $550 + utilities, or any repair costs as they come up. The house is under 100k, but we also had a two-car garage built which adds to our property value. It's in a standard, pleasant, middle-class neighborhood.

That house price on the coasts or in a big city would be a slum shack in a crime-ridden part of town. I checked the price of my house in LA, and there's fucking trailers being sold for the price of our house there. In NY, you're looking at buying apartments for that cost.

Location makes all the difference.

>>10195722
>Sissies masquerading as trans
>men masquerading as women
Keep trannies out of women’s spaces

>>10195885
We do. Just on the down low. It's unfortunate that we have to vet people individually and do private meets more and more but those of us who are well into the fashion, wear it often and are more serious about it don't have any time for the sissies, the fetishists, the itas, the lolitas at heart. So yes, we exclude them all. The public comm on social media in most places these days is just the containment pen.

>>10195780
They are discussed, they are recognized, and mods, admins and all those other lolitas have some idea about how to fix it, but no one is willing to step up due to how much value we place on inclusivity and nonconfrontation.
You know who the mops and sociopaths are, it's such a regular part of our continued struggles that we literally have open discussions every. single. day. about the same behaviors and same people.

Mops: people who complain about meets and never make their own
Mops: people who ask to be spoonfed
Mops: people who defend people who get spoonfed
Mops: people who don't google before they ask questions 'what shoes do I buy, make my coord, whehwhehwheh


Geeks: BS mod M, the one who does backend work for lolibrary.
She's a fucking one woman lolita library GLB motherfucking powerhouse.
Geek: Anon in the dream dress threads who posts other girl's dream dresses to them so more people can live their best lolita life

I want to call out the geeks that make this fucking fashion but I'm mobile posting, this'll have to do for now.

>>10195782
This. Much prefer living in a so called fly over area and just traveling on weekends and such to the larger areas and coastal cities. Convenient flights are decently cheap. It's a good way.

>>10195905
Same. Having shitty neighbors a wall away from you and dealing with fucking parking isn’t worth it.

>>10193321
The perpetually low class contingent needs to be excluded from the fashion. Not even sorry I said it. With class mobility being a thing, they could elevate themselves at least on aesthetics and manners if they chose to. It's not my responsibility to accommodate them if they prefer to make the choice to remain Doritos munching itas.

Lolita groups are privately run hobby social groups with absolutely no obligation whatsoever to be inclusive at all. Period.

If you can muster your will and rustle your frills, you CAN tell the mops and sociopath types to just fuck off. It's possible.

>>10195905
Plus with living expenses being lower, it's easier to travel more often as well as partake in the fashion. I'm close enough to some larger areas in the state, so there's plenty of great meetup spots: parks and botanical gardens, historical mansions, aquariums and zoos. There's also frequent plays and ballet that make nice meets. The cities usually have some really great resturants and even some of the more suburban or rural areas have nice tea rooms that are worth travelling to. Overall, it's not really a bad place to live, and it's in close enough proximity to major areas where like you said, it's a quick weekend trip. I'd honestly be a pretty sad if I had to move.

>>10195936
Remember, it's not about class lines, it's about maturity.
A low income household can still pull enough for savings and frivolous expenses if there is diligence.
People we rely on for beautiful handmade pieces got there because they started sewing, and lots of people who take up sewing do so out of necessity.

The very people you openly love and appreciate have roots and history that is also unsavory to you, be humble and show compassion.

>>10195936
God, I hope you’re real and this isn’t bait. I’d love for there to be a fantastically rich lolita out there on 4chan dot com talking about how the plebeians are too indecent to ben seen with.

In reality you’re likely an upper middle class dumbass who thinks she’s hot shit because she can afford a hatchback AND an annual trip to florida.

>>10195953
Same same, anon. I could have written this post myself. Living in a safe, clean place with nice weather and no commute, where the cost of living is so much lower but the strength of the dollar is higher for things like mortgage, parking, utilities etc is really under-rated. It lets us have roughly double the disposable income we’d have over large coastal city living and we live in a spacious and nice house driving good cars.
So I have to laugh when coastal people complain about high living costs but sneer at people choosing to live in ’the boring middle’.

>>10195992
I've never even ridden in a hatchback and no one who is anyone voluntarily goes to Florida unless they somehow want to retire there someday.

>>10196001
I think I’m in love

>>10195984
It's about the way the individual chooses to act. That's how I judge people. Someone who acts as if they have no class gets treated as if they have no class. If someone chooses to behave like a trashy MOP, then I'm going to sideline them. Do I wish they would choose to act differently? Of course I do. But am I going to accommodate and include them when they choose not to?
Absolutely not.

>>10196005
Well.
People already paint us as bitchy princesses.
Someone has to step up and wear the crown.
I wish more people would.
Not really.
But it's funny to say.

>>10196011

Mop: people who incorectly quote, meme, and reference things they didn't read or didn't understand.
This includes you, and every preteen that read da rurus and interpreted them wrong.
I will not be surprised at all if a bunch of 'mop' start using the term the same way they already do 'snowflake'

You can still be a contributing member of this global community and go to cracker barrel in lolita.

Deal with it.

>>10196014
Honestly? Same.

>>10196001
>no one who is anyone voluntarily goes to Florida
are implying that celebrities don't go to Disney World?

Because you would be wrong.

>>10196018
Of course they can, darling! Absolutely. And we take these matters very seriously under advisement, very important. I'm sure the Cracker Barrel is very upscale in some areas as was pointed out. And of course the lolifying comm members are quite the creative bunch as we can well see. I wish I could go but ah, work, you know how it goes! But you’ll all have a brilliant time, I'm certain of it. See you when you get back.

See? Nothing of value was lost. Would I be caught dead ever actually going there with them?
Not a chance in hell.

I'd be willing to bet money that the cracker barrel gang photo that was posted is actually one of the containment comms for the region because that's just how these things work.

>>10196201
Implying celebrities or shitty commercial American amusement parks are somehow important? If you must go to Disney places, several are better. Try Tokyo or Paris.

>>10196201
This is how we know you’re a classless poorfag. Your definition of vacationing in a state includes just going there just for an isolated corporate amusement park.

>>10196014
The funniest thing about people getting mad over this, is that the things you’re suggesting are easily accomplished by middle class people with basic budgeting skills. You don’t even need to be rich or close to it. Men in /fa/ spend more on watches than we do on even our most rare dresses. But poorfags and teens want every hobby to cater to them. Enough is enough. Be willing to spend money on a nice venue or make your own fucking meets.

>>10196201
idk if you were aware, but you must be 18 to use this site

>>10196203
>implying you don't sit around talking about famous people like most normies do.
I'm aware of Tokyo Disney and Paris but do you realize that the parks are different and have different rides/areas?
Fuck, if you really want to be a baller you'd go to all of them, not just one.

I love anons who just try and act like they're so fucking amazing even though they're here wasting their time.

You're probably a fucking larper.

>>10196209
>classless poorfag
obvious lying troll.

>>10196215
nice meme - should probably take your own advice.

>>10196216
Anon, first you used vacationing to Florida as an insult to imply that >>10195936 was just middle class and not rich. Now you’re defending visiting Disneyland yearly as a high class thing because celebrities do it?

Are you contradicting yourself on purpose?

>>10196216
What I was saying is that none of these types of amusement parks are compelling as a destination so please think about stopping in at one in a place that is actually worth visiting, like Tokyo or Paris.

And no, aside from reading about certain wealth building strategies of a few famous people, and following the releases of a handful of musicians I like, I'm mercifully insulated from the arenas of celebrity gossip. My friends are artists or hobby friends so we mostly discuss those topics. I think the last celebrity thing I watched was Amanda Palmer's old Ted Talk?

>>10196230
I was first anon, and I hate florida and love bitchanon so keep me out of this. Disney World is a plaster-coated cesspool that would have been better left a swamp.

>>10196212
That's why it's so funny. If so called snobby elitist lolitas were faced with actual large designer clothing bills or truly expensive meets, they would have a fit. Last time we were in New Orleans, I thought Antoine’s would be a fun place to have a meet, we go there at least once each visit to the city, often twice if we are in for Sunday...and who wanted to? No one. Too expensive!

So I thought fine. I'm not inviting you to Potions either then (and yes, they wanted to go there because ooh, secret and special) Just no.

>>10196246
>thinking paris disney is worth visiting.

>>10196277
She said “stopping in a place worth visiting”, referring to the city itself as worth visiting. Not going there for the park itself like poorfag anon was saying about Florida.

>>10196203
Tokyo Disney sucks. It’s small and there’s nothing to do.

>>10196280
They don't get it, anon. They just don't. You are wasting your time replying.

>>10194737
> if you truly are in a town of 1000 or less - you're lucky if you have a McDonald's

Oof, too real. It seems like most tiny rural towns have like a Dollar General, a gas station or two that charges a lot for gas, and for whatever reason, a lot of churches, bars, and antique stores.

>>10196289
but the plushies are cuter. I heard that a while ago Q Pot had a hotel room at a Tokyo Disney hotel.

I think my main gripe about places like that are tourists. It's always a terrible time going to aesthetic places that are jam packed with other out of towners constantly interrupting your shindig.

>>10195984
I get the point you're trying to make, and it's nonsense. No one I know even wears Western indie brand dresses, much less "relies on" those seamstresses. I'm in what seems to be an average sized comm and we all wear taobao or Japanese brands. There is nothing wrong with Western indie, but most of it is very plain, simple, and unflattering. LoTV only looks good on people built like that maker. Versus taobao and brand who have better, more flattering designs

>>10196459
My tiny town of 1000 has:
One traffic light
Three(?) family-owned restaurants, neither of which are fantastic
A Dollar General
Two gas stations
Two small churches (there used to be a big one but it got struck by lightning and burned down...)
A new music store which is already cutting its hours down to three days a week.
But I like it. Like Momoko I only need clothes to be happy. And i like how I can walk to the cemetery and no one harasses me for money.

I'm trying to set up a meet in order to revive the comm I'm in but it turns out they've merged into a general jfashion group.

Should I just say bluntly "lolita only" or try to just add it as a side note?

>>10198038
I guess something like, "dress code: lolita, ouji, or aristocrat highly encouraged" good luck famalam

>>10198038
If you call it a Lolita meet and put Dresscode: Lolita, Ouji, Aristocrat in the description, it should be really clear.