/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Isn't hellousagi on LM also chestnutlili? I see that hellousagi account posting all her stock lmao

>>10105489
noticed this just now actually, the new additions is just 2 pages of bodyline tops with tags and from this seller. seemed shady so i came here to see if anyone had any info about it because while i do need some affordable casual tops, I dont want to support a shitbag either.

>>10105500
the bodyline tops are from cherry_sp. she's jsut a bodyline reseller (and a few other things). she is nice and okay to buy from imo.. though it's much cheaper to just buy from bodyline usually. Hellousagi is selling jane marple and some.. hopefully not replica AP.

>>10105500
Contact the mods for ban evasion then.

>>10105489
Yes Hellousagi is chestnutlili

>>10105503
ah, thanks for the clarification! i had usernames mixed up, im walnut.

>>10105489
Yeah that’s one of the usernames PC uses, but I think you may be confused with Cherry_Sp who is another person and just a reseller.

>>10105489
Yes, it used to be the account where she listed all her jane marple wunderwelt lots.

>>10105512
nah, it was another anon who was mistaking cherry_sp for hellousagi. I just mentioned hellousagi being PC.

>>10105489
I don't use LM too much, but what's the ratio of scalpers/shady sellers to real sellers now? It's making me nervous to browse and sell, since I never want a scalper to get anything.

>>10105558
There really aren't that many scalpers and you will notice them. I'm still getting great deals from total unknowns and older lolita alike but you have to be fast. Everything I've watched and not bought that was a decent deal has sold, I'm kind of salty because for some of them I really wanted them and just couldn't decide which one

>>10105558
I use LM a lot, and have only really had a couple kinda weird experiences in over 90 purchases. I also purchased a couple things from chestnutlili, since she bought the wunderwelt lots with items I wanted and they were things I really wanted. It sucks, but I didn't really care to buy the whole lot for one piece, and since she beat me to it anyway, I don't feel bad about it. In general, girls are really nice on LM and I have found many great things there for more than reasonable prices.

Anybody have experience with indie brand Lilith et Adalia? I just saw that they're releasing some designs tomorrow and one of them really caught my eye but I've never heard of them before and I'm wary of spending that much on something without knowing about the quality.

>>10105489
>>10105510
Does anyone actually has tangible proof for this? chestnutlili is banned so if someone has actual proof, send it to the mods

>>10105695
I was actually just going to ask this. IIRC a few threads ago someone had proof that the paypal names were the same on all 3 accounts.

>>10105725
is someone just going to have to buy from them, get the invoice, and then not pay

>>10105695
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/10075999/#10086275

Fanny Rosie has mentioned selling off a lot of her lolita pieces, specifically winter wear like pic related. Does anyone know where she sells? Her collection is amazing and I’d love to buy some.

>>10105937
just ask her?

Lor just uploaded a video about g-anime
about the shady biz that went down there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GheJjPxjc7s

Half of the instagrams on that RC instagram thread are just normies. I'm not shocked, but like...why would you post your normie instagram on an (obviously) lolita thread?

>>10106040
I'm proud of her for coming forward about this. That first clip made me visibly cringe. is that L B (the con head?)
I'm pretty sad she won't be coming again, but I understand.

>>10106040
>when the con chair is a creep himself
What the fuck
I understand Lor doesn't want to get in trouble but if several people were affected by his behavior, I feel like this is something the fucker should be named and shamed for. I'd hope for Tyler to do it but won't blame her if she chooses not to after John Leigh, in all honesty.

>>10106085
I think everyone in Ontario/quebec knows who he is, plus his name is on the g-anime website. I've met him before, he's pretty strange, never thought he was capable of all this.

>>10106047
Whenever I'm reminded that (more than) half of the people on RC and CoF don't wear lolita, I wonder how many people on cgl wear lolita and cosplay

>>10106093
Idk about cosplayers since I don't look in their threads, but people who pretend to be lolitas are pretty easy to spot.

Damn, I have a stupid story for you girls! I routinely clean my closet and send brand off to various thrift stores to be sold at 5-10 dollars. This started because a consignment shop I made an appointment with prior went back on their word and wasted my time on the day I was moving out of state. It's become a vendetta against nobody and I'm ok with this.

>>10106101
They're not, you can look up everything about lolita online without ever seeing the clothes irl. My boyfriend posts here to and afaik he's never been called out. I've only worn lolita 2 times myself.

>>10106113
I could never do that, it's too sad when lolita brand gets worn by fetishists. Imagine a little finding your brand.

>>10106123
That's very true, but imagine an actual lolita finding it! I'd be ecstatic finding brand at a random thrift store.

Can someone translate what's on their sashes? I've been dying to know since a while

>>10106126
you know that chance is far less likely

>>10106174

If you want someone to translate that you're going to have post a picture that wasn't made for ants.

>>10106176
Not that anon but it's also unlikely someone like that would find it either. Most likely it would go to some random normie

>>10106180
that's the only one that exists sadly

>>10106182
maybe some solid cutsews and blouses. main-pieces would be used for halloween or cut up.

>>10106189
Yeah I'd imagine normies would probably buy them when thrifting for cheap stuff to scrap for costume parts. It makes me sad to think about but if anon is okay with it that's fine.

>>10106040
What's the dirt on what the "ditto" girl said? She said she pulled the con head aside to talk to him, and after talking with him he said highly inappropriate things and cut ties with him. Is he like a perv or is he a manipulative asshole? It seems like the fashion organizers know more.

>>10106182
Girls in my comm find lolita brand items all the time at buffalo exchange. Usually shoes or blouses.

>>10106234
I think I heard of one comm finding Bodyline stuff at a store like that

>>10106234
Where, Boston?

>>10106310
Nayrt but this happens in my comm, Portland

>>10106174
So I did some hunting, and found a song by the gazettE called 貴方ノ為ノ此ノ命 (Anata no tame no kono inochi/this life, for your sake) and then remembering that lolitas in Japan are/were visual kei band fangirls I looked up the GazettE members and their guitarist is named Uruha (麗). So they swapped out the "anata/you" from the song title for their favorite member's name making it "This life for Uruha's sake" roughly.

>>10106316
ily anon

>>10106336
Np anon friend. I'm like 80% certain of my interpretation.

Anonther fun fact is that the character 麗 can also mean beautiful, so you could interpret their sashes as "this life, for the sake of the beautiful" or something similar.

Any news on that manga about the tall lolita? I think the physical copy has been released in Japan by now. Is anyone working on it?

>>10106521
It's about a tall Lolita and not a tranny, right? Thank god, couldn't tell from the manga pic.

>>10106542
Careful with that edge

>>10106310
They have those other there?

>>10106521
We (the group that translated the prototype chapters) are going to do it. It's taking a while to ship and scan. I think we will be able start trickling out chapters sometime this month. If someone finds raws let me know and we could do it sooner.

how's the quality of Elpress?

>>10106642
Aren't they all posted to kerastyle?

>>10105930
Yeah the mods don’t care, I sent them this and they basically told me to fuck off even though I had proven before Chestnutlili and Hanayoku were the same. Also they’re back at it again with posting Princess Cat on hellousagi lmao

>>10106929
Nayrt but the chapters get taken down after a while (like a week or two). The scanlators probably missed a few weeks.

>>10107018
This is why I hate Lacemarket. They could care less for the community.

>>10106051
Yeah it's him, I always had a bad feeling about him

>>10107018
I did too, it also seems like they unbanned Hanayoku (you know, where she originally sold replicas) now.

>>10107018
I did too, it seems like they unbanned Hanayoku (you know, where she originally sold replicas) now. She also deleted the location of her hellousagi account lol.

BTSSB Kuragehime lottery winners (or losers) are getting their calls now. Did anyone win?

>>10107202
Me!!

Does anyone else feel like secondhand sales are kind of dry lately?

A year and a half ago I was finding so many dresses on my wishlist (most of them are older) for good secondhand prices. Now it's like I'm barely finding any of them at all, and I have a huge wishlist, so it's kind of surprising. Even on Closet Child, Mercari, Fril, Yahoo Japan, etc. I didn't find much compared to last year.

>>10107220
Fril and mercari got dried, I think j lolitas have found out about us buying from there. Everything was availble and cheap before now you hardly fiind anything and with the same price like lacemarket

>>10107189
Why? I hate lacemarket mods, is the mod into lolita or a scalper?

>>10107227
Where did they move then?
Also why are j lolitas so fucking stingy? It's a dress,as long as you get the money why care about it staying in japan?
Xenophobic greedy bitches i stg.

>>10107231
reminds me of japanese artists not wanting their work out of japan even when the source material is american or european. Japanese people are xenophobic cunts in general

>>10107227
Where have they moved to then?

>>10107234
This makes me sad. Why are they like this?

>>10107231
Lolita is no longer that big in Japanay, maybe some of the girls sell to closet child or wunderwelt directly, while other go onto lacemarket and the rest overprice it on fril, mercari or jauctions. When I got into lolita I got perfect headdresses for 300-400 yen or blouses for less than 2000 yen, rings or bracelets were so cheap, now a head dress when it shows up is 2000 yen, a blouse 3000-4000, cute accsessoires pop up very rare and dresses that sold for 10000 yen are now 20000.

I wonder how rainies and the rest stil manage to get the hands on cheap stuff.

>>10107203
i hope you're not pulling our leg anon!
(if not, congrats!!)

that's at least one more of those in circulation, then

>>10106926
Hit or miss, they sometimes have really weird lace choices.

>>10107231
>>10107227
>>10107203
I am finding tons of great stuff on Mercari, occasionally y!j but the difference is that prices are going way up.
You need to be willing to pay about 2/3rds of retail to get the best stuff. Imo Japanese lolitas realized the demand side of the supply and demand curve was greater than it used to be. Why would they sell to CC for a fraction of what they could get on Mercari? And they don't even have to worry about us scamming since we're all using SS's and have to way to protect ourselves from bad sellers

>>10107189
They unbanned Hanayoku?? What the fuck no, you’re shitting me?

https://item.fril.jp/6b581e309eb1bdf371506c7bbdc630a4
Is this a good deal?

>>10107364
>https://item.fril.jp/6b581e309eb1bdf371506c7bbdc630a4
If you really want the dress, yeah. There's another listing up for double that amount.

>>10107220
Yahoo feels like it's about to die.
Otherwise desu we have no one but ourselves to blame. From the day mercari and fril were brought up for the first time, the few knowing anons spoonfed idiots who didn't know how to use google so hard that eventually everyone figured out how to navigate and use it.

>>10107231
Ho boy just be glad you're not into custom japanese bjds.

>>10107305
Yes, they did and I wonder why.

>>10107220
I never thought Japanese auction sites were that cheap, by the time you pay the double shipping, PayPal feels, service fees, you’re paying the same as you would from CC or WW or second hand within the states.

>>10107406
Is fril also dying? All the good stuff that is still around is on mercari now and that is bad for budget becouse only few SS deal with mercari.

I taught some girls how to buy from yauction or fril and now I have remorses, my entire lolita closet is from japan and I am afraid this source will die entirely

>>10107471
Be grateful you arent european and do t have to pay for customs jewery on top of that

>>10107471
With some SS they are cheap. Zenn or fromjapan charge only 300 yen on sale and if you ship it through small packet everything is great, a bonus for us Europeans is that a ss can declare a low value of items, cc or wunderwelt doesn't do it not to forget that the European lolita market is tiny

>>10107479
Small packet? How much do you buy, just a blouse? SAL isn't available to my country

>>10107482
There are two kind of small packages and both must be under 2 kg, one costs 3200 yen/2kg and arrives in 2-3 weeks the other one costs 1000 yen/2kg this one arrives in 6-7 weeks, I used both and never had problems. In 2 kg you get a lot actually like a jsk plus some blouses and small items. A dress is around 700 gr a blouse 300gr, there is a chart on IW page with the aproximate weight of items I guide me to this so I can manage those 2kg, also most ss keep products a month and you can add more stuff on the way.

>>10107478
anon, I know you all hate customs but can you please quit the antisemitism

>>10106579
Nayrt, but
>not wanting sissies and men in the fashion is edge

>>>/lgbt/

>>10107487
What do customs have to do with antisemitism? European jew here that never heard this before and hates customs pretty bad

>>10107492
>anon says "customs jewery"
>but where's the antisemitism??????!!!?!?!??!

Please, improve your reading comprehension.

Uh huh

>>10107497
thanks anon, I was about to say the same thing.
antisemitism ain't kawaii. it's annoying, it derails the conversation, and it doesn't even make you look edgy nor cool, just annoying. this isn't /pol/, this is /cgl/.

>>10107497

ngl I thought it said 'jewelry' at first and I was confused as heck. Like damn you guys back in the middle ages haggling again??

>>10107497
>>10107582
why are you all okay with people using faggot and autist on here but not jews. only explanation i can think of is that you are jewish.

>>10107242
>This makes me sad. Why are they like this?
Consider their history...

>>10106118
thank you for helping confirm.
I have a full closet of brand and I have posted proof here before and people act as if I'm full of shit because I actually wear the fashion.
Gulls love to come here and pretend like they know who all is posting but they never really do. It's all just guessing and making dumb assumptions based on whatever side of the argument they decided to jump on.

>>10107487
>>10107582
Istg can you idiots stop taking everything on 4chan serious? The only one who derails shit every time someone calls something a jew/faggot/retarded is you.

>>10107703

idk how one gull telling you something confirms anything. I could claim that I'm a sissy posting advice in the ita threads and no one has ever called me out, and you could either take it hook, line, and sinker, or consider we're posting on an anonymous bhutanese flower arranging board.

>>10107703
Man, this. It's really funny when people try to call me fat, or ugly, on here. I know I'm not, and even if I was, how would you know? I'm completely anonymous.
I want to say just don't engage with braindead fucks like that, but it feels like half of the discussions here end with someone saying "newfag" or something

>>10107716
Oh christ. You're one of the morons I'm talking about. You immediately jump to memes.
The confirmation comes from having observed the idiots who usually post.

>>10107718
It's true. Almost every conversation dissolves into fucking stupid board culture. This isn't even 4chan anymore. People need to let go of this dumb troll shit.

>>10107671
You can help being a faggot or an autist by not being a dumbass. Being jewish isn't negative so it's jarring to see it used negatively.

>>10107716
Anon, just let them. It's their way of coping with popular opinions on here they disagree with. This is how the whole "cgl is full of roleplayers" meme started. One retard posted in the confessions thread that they aren't wearing the fashion but love to argue with gulls and the people who hate cgl but still visit it gobbled that up like no tomorrow, took it as proof and repeated it over and over and over again.

>>10107726

Doesn’t change that you blindly believe a gull for saying what you want to hear. Confirmation bias at its finest.

>>10107800

I suppose. I guess they want to believe it that hard no matter how thinly spread the logic is.

Physical Drop Nurse Style OP
It's a set with the nurse cap.
25,000 yen + tax
Also comes in black
>https://twitter.com/atelier_pierrot/status/1097352721512841217

>>10107836
Ooh I love the wine colourway

>>10107836
This is so cute but I wish the skirt part was shorter with a bit less fabric.

Pina Sweetcollection Rose Jacquard OP
26,000 + tax
Reservation period: 20th Feb to 10th March 2019.
>https://twitter.com/atelier_pierrot/status/1097088396340604928

Pina Sweetcollection Rose Jacquard OP
Comes in white x white, pink x white, black x white, ivory x ivory and black x ivory
26,000 + tax
Reservation period: 20th Feb to 10th March 2019.
>https://twitter.com/atelier_pierrot/status/1097088396340604928

>>10107836
Here are some of the fabric samples. Looks like I missed out a few colourways.
>https://twitter.com/katokuniko/status/1096893022195740672

secrets

S and A, are you seriously still gonna go on with this absolute crock of nonsense? How about you all tell people the ACTUAL things you've done. "Anonymous" harassment (not really anonymous if you post it to your fb shortly after) of a new mother and threatening to stab a person aren't cute. Sorry you hate M for doing absolutely nothing to either of you, but spreading these lies is childish.

BTSSB SF lucky packs are up!
A Little Princess Little flower in me JSK or Mysterious Conjurer and a Magical Night JSK.

>>10107885
huh.

>>10107487
Boo fucking hoo

>>10107582
>lolitas are supposed to be inclusive lovelies uwu

>>10107798
>having autism and being gay is a choice!

>>10107915
>>10107925
hi samefag
please stop derailing.
we're here to discuss lolita fashion, not how mad you are at being "jewed" by your customs.

>>10107945
The customs comment is on topic though. Your comments are not.

>>10107961
I heard there is since 2019 a trade treaty with Japan and the EU buyers will pay no more customs, is it true?

>>10107945
Sorry you're triggered kike chan. It's 4chan get over it

>>10107984
Only if the shop puts proof on the parcel that the products are made in Japan. Like official documents of where its manufactured. So not Angelic Pretty. Anyway I don't think any Japanese shop will go through the trouble of adding extra documents to the parcel or has the awareness to think of it.

>>10107864
It's a simple hemline, so you could always get it tailored

>>10107893
Why can't they say what she did? With what's happening to Vic Micbitchtits and sexual harassment in the community as a whole if they spoke up clearly about what happened something would get done. All it takes is screenshots and explaining, but really it just sounds like someone is jealous she's staff and a mod of her community.

Can a seller on LM list something under one currency and then say they are actually selling it for another currency instead?

For example the listing won is in AUS but they are charging USD? Which makes a $20ish difference?

>>10108119
No? That sounds like scammy behavior. They can select a different currency when making the listing. If they messed that up, that's not your fault.

>>10107812
>Doesn’t change that you blindly believe a gull for saying what you want to hear. Confirmation bias at its finest.
Have you ever heard the phrase "If you pretend to be retarded, people will just think you're retarded"?

It's true in your case.

>>10107800
I actually used to troll this board before I started wearing lolita. I've met other guys who come here just to shit post and argue and make fun of people who actually wear the fashion.

the same can be said for you. You choose to believe that everyone here is actually wearing the fashion. It's more like 50/50 of the literal thousands of people who visit this board, let alone the entire website who stop in to post here even though they have nothing to do with egl or cosplay.

you're fucking naive.

>>10107874
Holy shit they still exist? This is lovely

>>10107945
>s-surely more than one person can't disagree with me!!

>>10108166

Oh wow what an intelligent, totally not canned reply. Maybe take that advice for yourself.

>>10107487
>>10107497
>>10107671
as an actual jew can you calm your fucking autism down? people will always say this shit so no need to have a brain aneurism over it anon
>>10107798
>being gay is a choice
oh okay, so not only are you autistic but also a retard, got it

>>10108171
>You choose to believe that everyone here is actually wearing the fashion.
Where did I say this? Keep strawmanning you pathic crossboarder.

>>10108119
Don't pay invoice and leave bad feedback ot sounds like a scam

>>10108260
>crossboarder
You clearly agree with me then. People from other boards come here to post.

>>10108155
Very scammy, they should've charged whichever currency they wanted instead of making the buyer pay arbitrarily more since conversion rates fluctuate

Does someone have an update for the lolibrary submission function? Me and my 1k folder of pictures are patiently waiting.

>>10108325
Yes, again, where did I say otherwise? But to think they're in the majority is retarded.

Omg anons, this auction.
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m315685365

>>10108369
Ok, well I never said they were in the majority either.

Chill out, we fucking agree.

>>10108589

thanks now we'll see gemgem or rainies trying to sell this shit next week.

>>10108592

Whoops, meant to reply to >>10108507

>>10108592
I don't think so, the pack is allready over 1000$ to expensive for scalpers

>>10108589
Fair enough

>>10108592
Do you really have to sperg out about them everytime a link is posted or are you just doing it ironically now?

Does anyone have an melikestea petti? how has it been? also, does anyone have a meta bear cape? about how long is it? I'm kinda tall and want something that goes to down to my hip bones at least, if not my butt... also, do you like it?

>>10108651
someone asked this just over 2 weeks ago. the replies might be of some help to you.
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/10095494/#10096156

>>10108651
Someone asked about melikestea just over 2 weeks ago. The replies might be of some help to you.
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/10095494/#10096156

>>10108696
thanks anon! I don't check here often, so I must have missed it!

>>10108629
>Do you really have to sperg out about them everytime a link is posted or are you just doing it ironically now?
different anon but this. it's getting annoying.
we get it, they're resellers. a lot of lolitas are actually, and many other resellers don't get mentioned nearly as much. you don't have to bring these specific two up literally every time a link is posted.

>>10108364
Join the slack anon.

>>10108773
the what?

>>10108749
Diff anon here, rainies is the most important reseler on lacemarket that is why people mention her that much

>>10108784
>most important
Debatable. I think Hanayoku and her 9000 alts are a serious contender now after getting unbanned despite scamming.

How do I go about washing a white dress with a mainly red print gulls?

>>10108801
With soap and water.

>>10104714
I found out my gf is into cosplay, you think I could get her into Lolita?

>>10108851
No

>>10108801
The same way you'd wash any of your printed brand dresses + color catcher. cold water, whatever brand of soap you use/trust, color catcher. hang to dry.

I'm really super in love with the new AP print Strawberry Doll. Should I try to find an in-store SS right now, or should I wait until they actually release the ad that shows the cuts/colors/etc?

I haven't tried to get a dress in-store since like...2014, so I forget how this works.

>>10108776
Email the dev or lolibrary email to get in. It's irc and how most of the librarians chat.

>>10108851
you sound like a fetishist, fuck off

>>10108854
Frick

>>10108119
Do you mean the listing is LOCATED in Australia but the price is in USD? Because that's par for the course. If it was listed in AUD, then that's not okay.

>>10108882
Good luck. I tried to get a shopping service to reserve it during the grand bazar, and she couldn't. It's most likely going to be a bloodbath, so I highly recommend a shopping service for it. You're going to have to wait for AP to release the ad for it before sending the request.

>>10108946
Thanks for the tip and good luck to you as well, Hope you get the cut and colorway you want.

>>10108507
So did any of you get it? I overslept and missed out on the auction. The highest bidder had like 2000 feedbacks so it might be a SS.

>>10107885
anyone know what #3 was?

>>10109185
This one >>10108137

Unpopular opinion, secondhand webshops are ruining lolita.
They buy out all of the cheap brand on Japanese sites without considering the Japanese lolitas, who can’t buy it from the scalpers because they’re scared of PayPal and foreign shops.
We wonder why there are less Japanese lolitas but we’re the source of the problem.

>>10109251
Specifically personal shops - Lacemarket sellers who are secretly businesses especially.

>>10109251
How is that an unpopular opinion? We all hate LM scalpers.
And they can buy from second hand webshops too? And also have first dibs on fril and mercari. What are you talking about?

>>10109264
Not if some SS is waiting all hours of the day to pounce.
I know we all hate scalpers but it feels like nobody considers the impact scalpers are also having on Japanese lolitas as they’re hoarding every available popular dress.

>>10109268
>>10109251
Are you listening to yourself? Scalpers and resellers can be gatekeepers by making items more cost-prohibitive but the secondhand market is not the only source of clothes.

The fashion is kept alive by people who support brands' new releases and buy from them directly. I would consider brands opening/closing stores as a better metric of the popularity of lolita fashion in Japan.

>>10109268
>the impact scalpers are also having on Japanese lolitas as they’re hoarding every available popular dress.

oh come on. for every Japanese print release, I’d say only a small fraction of them ever make it to the western market. Japanese lolitas can still buy from shops directly in person, go to closet child, sell to eachother locally. Don’t act like fril/mercari is the end all be all to the lolita secondhand sales market, there’s a lot we just don’t see and never make it online.

>>10109268
What SS do you use? pls share
I'd love to know one with 24/7 business hours who buys items in less than 3 hours.
The impact you're talking about is ridiculously small in the big picture. Online isn't the only option for them either. I'd give my right hand to be able to visit closetchild, violet blue, brand shops and small indie brands weekly with minimal effort.

Does anyone have any sort of image of this gem aside from the stock picture on lolibrary?
https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-eat-me-apron

>>10109251
whaaaaat? afaik, lolitas sell directly to 2ndhand webshops like CC, usagiyouhinten, WW, maidenclothing, tokyoalice etc.
These shops are keeping lolita alive imo
Japanese lolitas can trade their used pieces and buy new stuff.
How in the hell am I going to get all the old school I love if sellers don't think these pieces have 2ndhand value? Do you want them to toss these gems in the trash? Where did you get the idea that webshops buy private auction listings to resell? you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>10109251
>Uninformed opinion
ftfy

>>10108801
This jsk is super cute.

>>10109340
>https://lolibrary.org/items/btssb-eat-me-apron
gem? that's a fucking nightmare

>>10109388

gem?

>>10109397
OP literally called it a gem in the post stupid

>>10109397
diffanon but,
>gem [jem]
>noun
>something likened to or prized as such a stone because of its beauty or worth

>>10109251
> considering the Japanese lolitas, who can’t buy it from the scalpers because they’re scared of PayPal and foreign shops.

>LMAO. Boo freaking hoo for them?? Sounds like a personal problem. Here we all are literally tripping over ourselves to buy from foreign shops. They can literally walk over to WW, CC and countless other shops. No paying extra shopping service fees or international shipping.

This shouldn't even be an issue or a pissing contest. Western lolitas are not the reason there looks like there's less lolitas in Japan.

As long as we are pointing fingers, let's point to the Chinese girls who scalp the shit out of the dresses and also Taobao for making Lolita more affordable and accessible. /s

I've been wanting make a series of items with art featuring the likeness of lolitas I really admire. Sort of as a nod to them and their aesthetic? Coords would not be anything specific they've posted, but a sort of amalgamation of colours and motifs they favour.
I don't want to message them and ask because it would come off as weird and creepy, but I was thinking of saying that each one is based off a lolita I admire and leave it that. Hopefully it would be tasteful?
I don't know. How would you react if you saw some art that was obviously inspired by you?

>>10109458
I'd be really happy, but I'd also feel unsure whether the art is actually of me. I'd probably start writing a comment or dm to the artist and end up deleting it because what if the drawing is not of me and I'm just being narcissistic? I think you should ask them, anon. Maybe just send it to them when it's done? Not because it would be wrong to not ask, but because everyone likes art of themselves and they'd probably be really happy about it.

>>10109458
you could always do it without posting it anywhere? if you want to post it, you should show them what you've done in private and ask them for permission. just say something like "hey, this was inspired by your coords, is it ok for you if i post it?"
i think it's more weird and creepy to not ask them at all desu...

>>10109458
What would the items be? Something like pins or digital art might be cute but this def has the potential to be creepy

>>10109458
Just write them, it's not creepy at all. Say you got inspired by them and got an idea for art, explain it and maybe ask if they're okay with it.

>>10109461
>>10109462
>>10109463
>>10109466
I appreciate all of these answers! And they would be pins of a sort. But also possibly the top of a trinket box shaped like a coffin. The art that I want do of each of them is of elegant sleeping vampire versions of themselves.

>>10109340
No, but I had a cutsew of this series years ago. The print was literally an iron-on, so any pieces might be so degraded they ended up in the trash.

>>10109468
You definitely need to reach out to them before using their likeness in a pin, especially if you're selling it. Most people will be really flattered and will be fine with it, they may even promote your art! but it'll come off really poorly if you don't ask them first

>>10109316
A lot of Japanese lolitas are starting to give up on brands like AP & Baby because the China scalping problem is so bad. Closet Child is about half Axes Femme these days. People are using apps more to sell (because secondhand shops offer very little) but the truth is that there’s less circulation within Japan because so much is going to China.

>>10109481
That's what I think I'll do, and offer to send them one for free. Just trying to work up the courage and settle on the ones I want to do most. (Getting rejected by all of them would suck!)

>>10109340
Are you into ddlg ? Or are you a sissy?

Is anybody else getting this error on Lacemarket listings right now?

I can look through pages, but anytime I click to load specific listings, this happens.

>>10109468
If you keep to yourself what you do is one thing and another if you make them public

>>10109500
I just went to check, clicked several random listings and got the same error.

>>10109500
yeah, I have been getting it for the past hour or so. Sucks too because one of my dream items is up and I can't view the listing...

>>10109482
Source?

>>10109458
I already think it's creepy and weird that you came up with something like this

>>10109458
PS if they don't ask for part of the profit they're dumb

>>10109468
If they say no will you open submissions?

>>10109458

I mean, I think it's creepier to not message them, especially if you are thinking of making this public. I think most people would be flattered. But if you do this sort of secretly and people just encounter their likeness that is creepy, in that they didn't consent to having a likeness of them being sold. Legally I would think it's kosher (think of famous album covers) but it's just sort of weird and almost disrespectful to not tell them.

>>10109458
you should definitely tag or credit them if you're going to do this. i've had people draw me or likenesses of me and i didnt think it was creepy at all, but they did tag and give proper credit and i think if i had come across it on my own i probably would have felt differently.

>>10109468
This is a cool idea but might be awkward if any of them dies.

>>10109640
I think selling artwork with a youtuber without beeing commissioned for it is weird, on the other hand is ok if someone is a fan and does the pins just for himself like for an ita bag or to decorate his room. I did an ita bag with Paul McCartney items, some were bootlegs of ebay and some hand made, of course I did not write to him, hey I have here badges with your face, but I never intended to sell anything.

>>10109500
yes, all day today, I noticed it happening with old listings.

>>10109757
it happened with all listings, but it is better now.

>>10107244
>>10107231
I have a theory the xenophobia is not necessarily for Westerners, but the Chinese and other Asian countries. Because China is the biggest foreign country buying into lolita right now, it's predominantly being xenophobic to the Chinese.

I used to play a lot of online games in Japan and when they'd get uncomfortable about where I'd be from, they ask if I was Chinese or Korean first. When I said I was from America, their guards went down.

Notice that Japanese lolitas didn't really have that much of an issue with selling to us until the Chinese came out in full force. There'd be a few sellers that wanted to keep the dresses in the country, but now that China is basically lolita, these markets seem to be drying up. I think also the interest the Japanese had in the fashion seems to be dying and there's really not as many Japanese lolitas anymore.

>>10109579
Different anon but 2 CC locations took their otome floor and combined it with the lolita floor. Almost half of these stores are now filled with Fint, Axes Femme, etc. The lolita stock barely changes because not as many people are selling to CC like a couple years back. The original anon might have different input but this is what I’ve noticed

>>10109579
Source: Live in JP

>>10109820
Yes exactly

Nothing like what eurofags endure when buying from overseas but

> it's early 2018
> Australia plans to introduce GST on imported goods under $1000
> attempt to explain that this will impact online shopping for lolita
> get dabbed on by people saying "nO iT wONt ItS vOLuNtARy nObOdY wILl sIGn uP" and how it will have therefore have little to no impact

Fast forward to today nearly every single shopping and forwarding service has signed on and collects GST, and the GST is charged not only for the item itself but the cost of shipping, service and handling fees. This especially sucks when service fees are already 10% of the item cost. So a $500 dress with tracked shipping in a box becomes $650.

Tell me again how this didn't impact us. I wish to dream.

>>10109785
I wonder if this has to do with the belief that Chinese buyers buy the dresses to replicate them?

>>10109861
Not Aussie but Kiwi and can somewhat relate. Our limit has always been $400. Never got hit in the past buying over 400 but the last dress I bought ended up going from 430 to 640 thanks to customs, despite me getting the value marked down. Clearly I didn't mark it down enough since no one ever told me that the $400 limit includes the shipping. That's my bad but the package sat there at customs unchecked and unprocessed at the airport for 2 whole weeks too. Abysmal.

The dress is really nice and all but not worth 640 dollars.

I look good? I know I'm not blond :'(

>>10109785
They do favour Americans but they hate black people and white people from the rest of the world. They get noticeably disappointed when I tell them I'm not from Hollywood.

>>10109874
They like much of Western Europe too, but likewise they’re disappointed if you’re not from London or Paris lol

>>10109820
>The lolita stock barely changes
But they still update almost every day? Almost everytime I ask my SS to get something from there, it's already gone.

>>10109846
Ok. And what experience there showed you that japanese Lolitas give up AP & Baby because of Chinese Lolitas scalping?

>>10109785
>Notice that Japanese lolitas didn't really have that much of an issue with selling to us until the Chinese came out in full force.
How do you notice that? Mercari and Fril SS bans weren't issued by lolitas only but for the whole websites. Unless you're in japan, except for a few rare cases on LM they never directly sold to us anyway.

>>10109878
Yeah I always thought lolitas only like people from Paris and London, and gyaru only like people from California.

>>10109785
>Notice that Japanese lolitas didn't really have that much of an issue with selling to us until the Chinese came out in full force
This is not true at all. Back during mbok days they already hated selling to us.

>>10109683
I think the difference is that he wouldn't get your message where as someone like Tyler or Lor would.

>>10109888
Talking to them

>>10109945
How many? Where? And what exactly did they say?

>>10109609
i think that most would find it super flattering and sweet. i've never seen someone upset about receiving fanart. we literally have entire threads of people asking to be drawn by strangers here? it would only veer creepy if it were fetish art imo.

>>10109863
Man, that's trash because your costs are higher by percentage, but ours applies to everything. There is no upper limit. It used to be $1000. No more. Even had to pay it on the single headbow I ordered from AP.

>>10109956
Nayrt but I think fanart is creepy unless it's a celebrity. But I already get creeped out when people post my coords in inspiration threads so maybe it's just me.

>>10109965
You might be overthinking things a bit, anon

Another article about Misako being a 35 year old lolita: https://www.huffingtonpost.jp/entry/misako-aoki_jp_5c6b83a8e4b0e8eb46b91a56?ncid=tweetlnkjphpmg00000001
Anyone feel like translating?

Rate my coord?

>>10110019
We can’t even see the full coord, vendetta

>>10110019
I'm quite fawnd of it

>>10109388
That's why I like it

>>10109496
No and I would never wear it, but I love tacky brand disasters and would like to see if it exists outside of stock photos

>>10110022
thank you, it's very deer to me

>>10110011
I think it’s a really nice article, but I lack the skills to translate. I really love her attitude.

>>10110019
>>10110022
>>10110049

Are there any lolita or gothic artists or brands that sell a diary, calendar or planner?

>>10107487
jew spotted

>>10106312
Same and I'm in DC

>>10109959
Honestly I've gotten really lucky this is the first time I've ever gotten hit, was more pissed about waiting 2 weeks. Apparently our limit for clothes is actually like $225 or something really stupidly low but this one dress is the only time I've had to pay. Was not the hill I planned to die on.

A limit of $1000 sounds reasonable but one headbow? Getting taxed on a headbow is fucking criminal,even if it's only 10 percent it fucking sucks. Surely that would cost customs more to expend the time and resources to process your package than the 10 percent of a headbow they would make? Idk that's just ridiculous to me, here they waive fees of 60 dollars or less because it would have them running at a loss.

By the way, does this happen with brands that ship directly? You said all the shopping services signed on but what about stores like btssb, atepie and wunderwelt?

>>10110098
yeah, Imai kira

>>10110011
The article makes sense in google translate. I rather have subs for the video.

>>10104714
where the fuck do I buy shoes? Nobody has my size and bodyline appearly doesn't believe in restocking

Is this dress ugly? I'm in love, but I'm not sure if I want to get both colorways

>>10109951
Several. In big city. It’s frustrating that they can’t get new releases so they’re thinking of giving up and/or switching to another brand or style.
What is your issue??

>>10110138
That's what I'm saying, anon. It's not a limit of $1000 any more. There is no limit. It is applied to everyting. D:

>>10110138
>>10110328
Oh, and the reason it doesn't cost customs anything is because they expect the vendor to collect it for them, thus why I said all these forwarders and shopping services have signed on. I'm not sure if Baby has, since I haven't ordered from them recently, but if you buy with any forwarding service, it is, unless some of the much smaller ones have escaped it because of the $75,000 turnover from Australian customers rule, but even some I expected to be making far less still volunteered to collect it on behalf of our government.

>>10110277
imo it's not super ugly, but I bet it's going to be cheap looking irl

Did AP release the JSK of their valentine print and I miss it or just OPs?

>>10110328
>>10110331
Honestly that just fucking sucks anon. 75k turnover from Australians specifically is probably quite a lot for even the biggest lolita brands, if it’s voluntary and the work is on their part I can’t even imagine it’d be worth it. What’s in it for them? Maybe it’s worth it for big companies like tenso or zenmarket but I just don’t understand why anyone would sign up for this, surely it’d drive business away.

All I’m thinking is how stupid and impractical that must be. It’s just really really shitty and for so little reward. Just the idea of taxation on a single headbow makes me irrationally angry. At least you can still order from single sellers off of lacemarket and stuff though I guess.

>>10110287
I don't believe you. All the Japanese girls I follow on Twitter have no trouble, they post their new releases. Not to mention even I have no trouble getting items upon release.

>>10110287
>>10110351
Jep, same and me neither. Having to pull every answer out of them just to get some super short, vague statements doesn't make it more believable either.

>>10110287

Every time I see "I talk to nipponese and they say (insert crazy statement)" have to roll my eyes. This is how we got 'anime club princess' fashion guys.

>>10110349
You missed it

milkyuki is chestnutlili's new account

>>10110433
I fucking knew it. I’m trying to find proof of these items belonging to chestnutlili/hanayoku so I can report it to mods but I’m too retarded and can’t find anything. If anyone can prove it’s her should go ahead and let the mods know they are evading their ban.

I have no feelings other than Easter disaster.

>>10110491
I like the coloring on this. It's not that vomit pastel.

>>10110493
Same. I haven't liked a lot of recent AP but I actually really like the more unique colors on this!

>>10110433
I was just going to post this lol

>>10110491
god its like a 70s printed couch nightmare

>>10110491
i remember when everyone hated happy garden. how i wish we could go back to these days

>>10110491
finally a print for everyone who's been a 'lolita' since their 90's childhood

>>10110491
This color scheme is total ass

>>10110502
>>10110493
Are ya'll high?

>>10110491
I was really hoping for a skirt or a natural waist cut for this. The print and colorways are more mature, so I’m bummed out that none of the cuts will work for my tall ass. It looks hideous here, but I liked it in the model pictures and I bet it looks way cuter in real life.

>>10110491
Late stage angelic pretty

>>10110491
man I'm so sick of the all-over print shit. it's okay when it's a border print with some stuff here and there throughout the rest, but this looks like ass.

>>10110491
I want to love this so much, but I just can't... All I see is captain america's shield and a bunch of grass

>>10110516
I still hate happy garden tbf

>>10110491
This literally looks like the interference I get in my vision before I have a migraine.

>>10110350

What the previous anons didn't mention is that the Australian government contacts these foreign companies and threatens to just take the money plus extra for convenience if they don't comply.

>>10110350
This tax isn’t really voluntary. Australian customs monitored deliveries in advance of the change, and contacted many international businesses which they suspected of being over the threshold directly and made it very clear that businesses that don’t adhere can have their packages returned (typically at their expense). Amazon completely stopped shipping to australia in retaliation, but they eventually got over it and just started charging the sales tax like everyone else. Any international online business should be aware of this, and many other countries, including New Zealand, have said they are considering following suit. Many of us have been avoiding paying tax on overseas purchases for years so makes sense.

Stupid questions thread has saged and I don’t think my question warrants making a new even if it’s an idiotic one

If a seller on lacemarket or FB-groups say they aren’t responsible for any lost packages is it impossible to do a paypal claim? Will they side with the seller? I just want to make a check since I’m a paranoid bitch that doesn’t want to risk getting fooled when I buy my $300 dream dress, even if they whether have nice feedback or nah

>>10110608
Just pay for tracked shipping cheap ass

>>10110608

That disclaimer doesn't mean shit, especially when the onus is on them to make a claim against the postal service if anything goes missing.

>>10110608
It only means that you can't hold them accountable when the postal service fucks up, but they still have to give you and paypal proof that they actually did ship the package in the first place

>>10110608
From what I know about paypal, no matter what the seller says about lost packages, paypal requires the seller make sure the product is delivered. The only way the seller can fight back against you is to provide proof of delivery (basically signature confirmation by someone with your exact name. Just a tracking number is not enough). If they can't provide this and you say the package was not delivered, paypal will always side with the buyer.

>>10110263
taobao

>>10110433
Came here to say this. Fucking bravo LM mods.

>>10110468
We already did this with her Hanayoku and hellousagi accounts. They don't care. In fact, they unbanned her Hanayoku account.

>>10110344
tru, but for 100 bucks I'm okay with that.

>>10110491
This does not spark joy

I miss Excentrique so much. I'm starting to lose interest in lolita. Pls help

>>10110612
Paypal holds sellers accountable when the postal service fucks up though. Doesn't matter what you write in your terms.

>>10110600
Honestly, that just makes it worse.

>>10110351
>>10110372
>>10110408
From Fanny on Instagram. Discuss.

FYI pretty sure this is Chestnutlili/Hanayoku as they’re selling the exact same things

>>10110659
Jfc this is depressing to read. What the hell is happening to our fashion?

>>10110659
Sounds about right, I’m sure Peisi Chen was there too

>>10110433
Yup the mods don’t give a rats ass. They told me to Fuck off when I shared evidence (that unfortunately wasn’t mine) that Chestnutlili was also hellousagi. This person can’t even wait a few months for shit to blow over

>>10110659
Wtf. I wanted to say they should make it a rule to wear lolita to such events, but then I pictured those scalper men putting on a cheap old-school dress to get in anyway...

>>10110659
I thought some brands required that the person buying the pieces wore lolita. Am I misremembering? Or did brands give up when they realized how much money they could get from sleezy scalpers?

>>10110652
You could easily use 100 bucks to buy something that's actually nice, though.

>>10110662
chinese middle class very large and have tons of money to fling around. a lot of countries are catering to chinese now.

>>10110668
I know AP used to have that rule, but it was pretty much Iike what you described. A lot of shitty resellers who just slapped a JSK over their actual clothes.

>>10110659
BTSSB used to be my favorite brand but for many years now I haven't been interested in buying anything (new) from them at all.
But it's sad to see them going down this road really. This totally sucks.
Why can't they ban people that are clearly scalpers and non-brolita men from their shop anyway?
Real Lolita's should be prioritised.
I'm glad Fanny posted this (and you, as I'm not on insta), BTSSB needs to be ashamed of themselves.

>>10110672
Oh I know, I meant it as an expression of distress more than anything. Obviously brands and designers want to make money, it just feels like the fashion is being taken from its actual target audience by outsiders (and then sold back to said target audience at a markup, apparently). It's disgusting.

>>10110676
I don't think they can do anything about it unless they start discriminating based on sex. Even then, the scalpers will just start sending women.

>>10110676
See >>10110673, prioritising lolitas doesn't work because those gross scalpers will just put on a lolita coord.

I don't understand why people think Baby is doing this on purpose for the money, it's not like Baby makes more money by selling to scalpers instead of actual lolitas??

>>10109965
I enjoyed a girl's coord once on here in the past and got called a creep for wanting to see more of her outfits. Someone went as far as to RP as her.

People like you make enjoying the fashion seem odd and out of place.

>>10110659
This is pretty bad but
>I've read an insta post about fanny complaining about chinese men in a grand bazaar line who may or may not be scalpers, that means japanese lolitas are giving up the fashion because they can't get brand anymore!!!
The original statement is still unsourced and most likely made up.

>>10110663
Kek, I thought Hanayoku/Chestnutlili/Hellousagi/Milkyuki is chinese American?

>>10110668
>>10110673
>>10110686
I'm 99% sure I once saw a photo of a man standing in line between actual lolitas and wearing a cheap lolita JSK over his regular clothes.

>>10110690
I understand enjoying the clothes, I do not understand re-posting sometimes personal pictures or selling fanart of someone who does not want to be famous.

>>10110676
>didn't buy anything from them for years (like many others)
>wonders why they're selling and catering to the remaining, paying audience

>>10110699
Nayrt but typically when people stop buying from a brand, it's because its designs changed too much to be appealing. I still buy from my favorite brands but I'd buy a lot more had their designs and materials stayed consistent over the years.

>>10110699
Right? There would be more oldschool style if those girls weren't a bunch of cheap bitches and actually bought the classical baby releases. Instead they just wait to try to get everything cheaper than retail.

>>10110722
Yeah there's no excuse for Baby since they haven't changed their style all that much and still release things in their old style as well

>>10110693
That’s the name they use on paypal

>>10110019
Needs headdress.

>>10110250
Where? I don't see any in her shop, only a ton of memo pads and post cards

>>10110659
It's grand bazaar, what do you expect? I saw plenty of Chinese buying tons of brand too, but they are paying for the flight to Japan. Japan wants that tourist money. Try going to a different shop then. It's only an issue if you're trying to get la forêt special releases. But if that's all you want from your favorite brands, I don't know what to tell you.

Garnet Dress Set: ¥ 302,400 (left)
Emerald Dress Set: ¥ 270,000 (right)

oof

>>10110023

>>10110659
Lol Fanny sounds so delusional and entitled. Did she seriously even for a second think that BTSSB was made for ~creating dreams~? Every company is made for making profit, period. “uwu my precious rorita is being scalped and REAL roritas like me had to get out of line!!!” Too bad, that’s how a fucking lottery system works. If burandos didn’t want this to happen, they would make more quantity and make things available internationally. Your brurandos don’t give a shit about you.

>>10110695
You did, I have this saved on my laptop somewhere

>>10110789
>make things available internationally
wat
Most brands already ship internationally and some have stores in the US and Europe, what are you complaining about?

>>10110781
Looks like crap

>>10110823
I think anon means they would make Grand Bazaar releases available internationally if they cared about making special release items available.

that is what I see too honestly

>>10110789
You sound like a jaded, cup half empty type of person

>>10110731
https://www.harajukuhearts.com/collections/imai-kira/products/little-bouquet-2019-calendar

>>10110724
I remember when a lot of these oldschool dresses were contemporary, daydreaming about buying them but not having the ~350 usd it would take to get them with a SS as a teenager.

Nowadays you can get a brand new karami, tartan scallop, or Elizabeth shipped straight from Baby to your house for $250- (whatever it was the Elizabeth OP cost, 400 or 500?)

>>10110781
They are somewhat cute but how are these more than $1000- $1500 USD? I just don't see it. For the amount they're charging you could get an entire BTSSB mto wedding dress coord and maybe have some left over

>>10110842
Nayrt but can we stop with the "you sound like x" shitposting insults with no contribution to the discussion? It's starting to get really annoying.

>>10110855
no

>>10110843
Thanks but I'm not going to buy a calendar from the US lmao

>>10110857
This is an anonymous board. It doesn't matter what they sound like since you can't track the person behind the post anyway and thus no one cares who they are. These kind of shitty infights are literally useless.

>>10110860
Knowing that, do you think I give a shit that you are annoyed by me?

>>10110872
I wasn't talking about you as a person but way to prove my point.

>>10110538
Yes, I was, but I'm not now and I still like it. More for me I guess, maybe it will even go on sale.

>>10110491
whew, these early 90s colors.
I like that this is unexpected but I hate the cuts and I don't like the art style for an all-over print

>>10110659
wait, how can you tell the difference between scalpers and shopping service agents?
Not every SS is someone like tenshi...some of those men in jeans might be getting our reservations for us?

>>10110855
nayrt but maybe if you didn't sound like such a salty cunt then people would stop calling out your posts.

>>10110944
The SS that do in store reservations are all girls, like Tenshi, Muh or Mintkismet.

>>10110967
what about Japonica?

>>10110967
There are a lot of Japanese SSs in China also, it isn't just scalpers there.

>>10110971
Japonica does in store reservations?

>>10110852
In part because they're made in very small quantities, which means that Baby doesn't get their usual discounts for bulk production orders. The detail work requires more labor, and perhaps even a higher skill level (meaning a higher per-hour fee) than their usual dresses.

The other part is the prestige factor that comes with any luxury good. Haute couture doesn't cost $100,000 per dress to produce, but everyone who sees you wearing it knows that you spent that much. Same with this.

Garnet is interesting, I like the bow-gathering details at the hem. Not feeling the Emerald, tho.

>>10110686
>those gross scalpers will just put on a lolita coord.

I remember for the osaka release of the weird yellow colourway of British bear, they were picking out lolitas who weren't wearing FULL AP--if your socks were baby you were kicked out of the line. They got a ton of backlash from the chinese lolitas so I'm guessing they stopped doing that...

>>10110731
https://booth.pm/en/items/1103444

just your luck anon, it's on sale too.

>>10110816
FIND IT ALREADY

>>10110698
who fucking said anything about reposting pictures? Original anon wanted to make fanart of those girls and not even entirely in their likeness but just color schemes or general types of style they have.

Fanart of anyone who has gained notoriety is fine as crazy as it may be but it's widely accepted kind of crazy.

>>10110789
I like Fanny but I'm with your side on this. Unfortunately companies exist to make money. If those men in jeans didn't show up, unfortunately, BTSSB would be missing out on a lot of sales. And if BTSSB wanted to stop this they could say that people attending new release events must be wearing lolia fashion. But obviously they need profits.

new bread >>10110887

>>10110953
Do you know what nayrt means?

>>10110842
This board is no place for optimism.

>>10111109
Wtf seriously?? Okay maybe that’s a bit excessive, like did they kick out people for wearing wigs too?

>>10111233
Baby doesn't make more money from scalpers than from lolitas

>>10110491
plastic couch cushions kei