/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Anyone else spring cleaning? I’m really inspired after watching Marie Kondo, but I’m having trouble parting with my lolita stuff.
I’m pretty decisive about normie clothes, but I have so many lolita items that spark joy for me so it’s really hard for me to pick what to sell.

>>10084386
I'm also doing the same anon, especially since I'm also working on my wardrobe post. I guess I don't feel obligated to get rid of it if it still sparks joy. Keep it until it no longer does or if you have any negative feelings about the fit. That's how I'm dropping a few items.

>but I will say I despise how everyone in that show is trashing everything instead of donating or recycling

>>10084386
I'm inspired to do konmari for everything but my lolita stuff. Not ready to let any of that go maybe ever.

>>10084386
Do they spark joy for you because you must really like lolita or is there something special about those items that make you more happy than other lolita items

>>10084386
Do they spark joy for you because you just really like lolita or is there something special about those items that make you more happy than other lolita items

>>10084404
If that's true I don't even want to watch the show

>>10084386
I've been trying to... I bought 100 nice new velvet hangers in a pretty color. When I started swapping hangers out in my closet, there were a few things my brain said "don't waste a good hanger on this one". I feel weirdly guilty because none of them were really things I had been considering getting rid of before.

>>10084412
loool if it doesn't deserve a velvet hanger I would sell it.

I used to have a really big wardrobe, but I noticed everytime I bought something I would think something along the lines of "I could buy a new lolita skirt for this amount of money..". It really took the joy out of shopping for other luxurious things like perfume, bedding, a television. It was as if I was obsessed with getting a bigger wardrobe for no reason.

>>10084411
Idk, they never really say where the stuff goes.

>>10084407
ive started doing the konmari for my lolita stuff finally. there are dresses i own that i got on impulse because of the print even tho it was not my preferred cut nor colorway. i came to terms with that and decided this is the year i'm going to flush out what i just like and keep what i really love. it's been an uplifting experience

>>10084386
>try konmari
>tfw it doesn't work for me very well because i don't feel joy
regular cleaning it is

>>10084386
I did a pretty severe summer clean out so I'm not. It wasn't exactly a konmari but I pulled out my wardrobe, tried a ton of things on, and if I was wearing them in front of the mirror and didn't think "I'm the most kawaii motherfucker ever" it went into a pile. If I tried them on with a full coordinate and still didn't feel good about it I got rid of them.

Ended up getting rid of most of my red items, and a lot of my Meta (no shade towards meta, everything I had was just too big for me). It left my wardrobe a bit more streamlined, so that was nice.

>>10084386
Yes, but I already dread listing everything on LM.

>>10084447
In the episodes I've seen they keep calling it trash. Such and such number of bags of trash.

>>10084487
You can suggest a swap meet in your comm or make one big facebook post

>>10084482
Same here except I’m not sure if it’s because I don’t love my wardrobe anymore or because I’ve been overworked and depressed for a while now. It’s gotten so bad that when I open up my closet to pick out normie clothes for work I look at my lolita clothes and think “I can’t wear any of this to work and spend my weekends doing housework in pyjamas so why do I even have these? I could just sell everything and put the money towards buying a house or something.”
It’s honestly pretty scary because lolita has been the one thing I’ve been consistently passionate about over the last decade. Am I turning into my normie coworkers whose only hobbies are sleeping in and watching Netflix?

Just to be on the safe side I’m going to wait until spring and make sure to attend at least one more meetup in lolita before I decide to sell any of my (formerly) favourite pieces. Maybe this feeling will pass.

>>10084494
That's a nice idea, but I'm a lonelita and my comm is full of broke itas.

>>10084503
oh word, what's up, me?

>>10084503
what are some things you are getting rid of? Maybe I want some of them..

>>10084498
It's probably depression anon.
When I was heavily depressed and drinking a lot I barely looked at lolita. Since climbing out of that hole I've found the stuff at least brings me joy even if I still don't wear it much.

>>10084488
In the episode with the lady with a dead husband she did say something about the clothes being useful to other people. So I don't think it's always thrown out. Might be a personal choice. I can see the first episode couple throwing the stuff out but some of the more thoughtful people donating it.

>>10084498
Sounds like a mix of general/seasonal depression anon. I'm sure you'll start feeling better when the weather gets nicer, ruts always pass. I wouldn't get rid of anything while you're in this state desu because you might regret it later. It'll get better, hang in there!

>>10084386
I just watched episode one and I immediately went through my normie clothes and came up with a pile of things to donate. Things that aren't in good enough shape anymore to donate I'll be giving to H&M for fabric recycling.

A goal of mine this year is to expand my lolita wardrobe even more so I can feasibly wear it on a near regular or maybe even daily basis, so out with the normie stuff. It bores me. But that means no lolita closet cleaning is necessary for me, I already did that a few months ago.

>>10084482
Same. Depression is kicking my ass right now. I've decided not to get rid of anything I used to love until I at least get past this episode.

Anyone else salty that Japanese gothic lolita brands don't have their own category on lacemarket but a ton of taobao shops do? Also I expected we'd see a lot more secondhand moitie since last year and am disappointed.

>>10084546
There has been a ton of moitie being sold this past year, it sells quickly tho

>>10084563
Not more than before

>>10084386
>>10084482

I've seen a lot of people wanting to konmari after watching the show, and it's great that people are learning to let go of the hoarder mentality, especially in a fashion where it can be very hard to part with items.

However, please read her book "The Life-Changing Magic Of Tidying" before you start. The tv show only brushes the surface of what you need to do to mentally prepare yourself to do a serious declutter, and a lot of people I know failed a day or two in because they're not doing this and they've only just watched the show. I know it's cheap on BookDepository, or you might be able to dig up a pdf of it somewhere. My copy is bouncing between friends at the minute, so maybe you know someone you could borrow it from. It's a very quick read but it goes deep into why it's so easy to re-accumulate things you don't need when you tidy normally, and how to change your whole attitude towards possessions.

Trust me on this, it will make the world of difference. Good luck!

>>10084574
Good advice anon. I felt like the show glossed over a lot of the critical advice in the book to focus on flashy reality TV style makeovers.

I found the show motivated me to continue using practices I learned in the book, but I agree it's important to read the book.

>>10084528
H&M tries to pretend they are recycling and doing something good, but they just pass it off to someone else to "recycle" (often sold to 3rd world countries destroying their local market and causing them to burn anything that doesn't sell).

Please try to find another use for it or give it directly to siblings, cousins, or someone who does want it.

>>10084498
Are you me?

>>10084698
That's actually a problem of tons of lolitas. You and OP are not alone. I don't think it's "just" depression.

>>10084386
Suck my nuts, sell your stuff, don't be a lil hoarder

>>10084447
She calls it all trash in the books

A lot of people seem to get getting back into plaid with the new-old school wave kicking up. And both in J-fashion and mainstream fashion there are a lot of designers pushing the idea of wearing mixed plaids. This dress on AP's US site is on sale right now and I think it's really versatile in that you could go old school with it, classic, classic sweet or play with current trends. At it's original price I thought it was a bit expensive for something without an original border print, but I think the adjusted sales price is pretty decent.

>>10084566
Tons more. You just don’t pay attention. There used to be just the 2 overpriced sellers and now there is others.

>>10084386
any of you gulls find a neat way to display the dress that you associate the fondest memories with in a nice way. i always thought that having a nice display box for it in a room would be neat but I doubt they make them that long.

>>10084386
>but I have so many lolita items that spark joy for me so it’s really hard for me to pick what to sell.

You don’t have to sell anything. If it all sparks joy for you, you are supposed to keep it.

>>10084835
Yep, and that's another thing the show skips over imo. Konmari isn't like other tidying methods where you are supposed to get rid of things if you don't use them in x amount of time or it isn't practical.

Does anyone know when second reservation nekokumyas are supposed to ship?

>>10084727
Maybe she says that because in Japan trash is all separated or you get a fine so it can be recycled. But for Americans saying it, I doubt it isn't being trashed.

>>10084631
There are just too many clothes in the world now, it's pissing in the ocean at some point. Some of it does get legit recycled or sold cheaply in Africa. Chinese companies that want to sell new clothes to Africa directly aren't happy about this.
I think the key is consuming more thoughtfully, buying fewer clothes and wearing them for longer.

>>10084850
Agreed, but it's better not to donate to h&m because they just encourage you to spend more at their store by giving you discounts for your donations. Not really a healthy system. They also aren't taking responsibility for the mass of clothing they create and pretend they are doing the responsible thing, but only passing it off to someone else, without care for the result. They just want to look good to the consumer.

And yeah it may help prevent China from selling to Africa, but it also prevents Africans from selling to Africa. Which harms them in the long run.

I definitely agree though, it's only going to be solved by less consumption.

>>10084801
>At it's original price I thought it was a bit expensive for something without an original border print
Serious question, but are you new? That's standard pricing.

>>10084833

Room thread is here >>10031869, might have more inspo.

People do actually frame their wedding dresses, you can always commission a custom shadow box with a glass lid that can be opened, but it's certainly going to cost a bomb.

I just normally do mannequins and wall hangers. If you really want to get artsy you can decorate the wall behind the hangers/mannequins and turn the whole thing into your personal "lolita art" area.

Sorry to ask, but does anyone have the Astro Regimen background image saved from the AP site when it was released?

>>10084801 >>10084909
Not new, just voicing personal opinion. Sorry I guess I'll keep opinons on pricing to myself next time.

Also, this is not intentionally a Lolita brand, but J-fashion brand Hei Hei has two instagram accounts (heihei_press and heihei_official ) showcasing their all-plaid inventory. The girl with the green/blue hair in this picture is wearing one of their dresses in a more Lolita style. I think their bow scarves would make nice accessories for Lolita coords.

>>10084835
but what if i like being surrounded by clutter

>>10084833
You could always DIY a display box from ply if you can find a pre-sized piece of glass to go on it, otherwise mannequin. If you have the space for it, mannequin inside a glass-fronted closet/cabinet

>>10084475
OP here and it’s true, I’ve cleared some stuff to sell and I feel lighter already.
>>10084482
Me neither, I don’t feel much joy it’s just a “oh I like this” feeling. If I really sold everything that didn’t spark joy, I’d be probably left with only my OTT pieces. I keep the other stuff because it’s cute and easy to wear.
>>10084487
Are you me
>>10084498
I feel you anon, lolita clothes just aren’t practical and only wearing them on the weekends seem like such a waste. I’m thinking of wearing some of the skirts and more toned down jsks to work and slowly turn my sloppy office style around this year.
>>10084545
Hope you will get past it soon anon, I’m rooting for you.
>>10084574
I’ve read the book but seeing it in practice actually helped me to spur myself on to get shit done.

Sorry for the tl;dr, hope we can all get through our spring cleanings for a happier year ahead!

>>10084823
I pay attention. There is not tons more than years ago. If anything, people are just re-listing more.

>>10084939
If you don’t find happiness in organizing and taking good care of your belongings then you should probably stop right now

>>10084932
You can probably use the wayback machine to go find it.

>>10084932
This?

>>10084631
lmfao you dipshit
they give it to this company right here
https://www.ico-spirit.com/en/

ffs learn how to research before you start making up bs

What the fuck

>>10085073
Well that was unexpected. Damn.

>>10085073
What the hell, didn't KERA online shop also just recently close? As well as a big Liz Lisa location? This is looking pretty bad.

>>10084578
>>10084574
I love you. I am so happy people are getting into Konmari, but it makes me so sad when they don't read the book and follow the true method. Then when it doesn't go well they say it doesn't work. It's a bummer.

>>10084801
>$199
>Expensive for AP

Bitch what? Solids regularly retail for more than that

>>10084833
No because I like to wear my dresses... They are art, yes. But it's wearable art that I like to wear as much as possible

>>10085081
It's especially annoying when people take the complete wrong meaning from the idea and whine about having to get rid of stuff they like, that's not what it's about at all.
A friend of mine skimmed through the book in a shop once and got so bothered at the idea of getting rid of stuff that she ranted about it on facebook and got OTHER PEOPLE riled up about this "uppity neat freak", none of whom had likely even heard about konmari before. I eventually got through to her and lent her my copy and she did a completely 180 because she finally understood what it was about.

As the saying goes, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

>>10084801
Seriously pisses me off that AP Paris doesn't get these pieces, I didn't even know they'd rereleased this until I went looking on the US site.

>>10085085
Agreed! I did something similar with a work friend recently. My friend read part of it and started and basically skipped a lot of stuff saying "I will just take the parts I like". What ended up happening was she got stuck because she spent all her time trying to get her boyfriend to throw out all his exessive socks and t-shirts. She barely got rid of anything of her own and said "well I don't have much stuff to begin with so the only problem is his stuff". When I tried to nicely say that she should focus on her stuff and see what happens with his she got kind of mean about how I was able to get rid of a lot because I had more crap to begin with. It really isn't important how much you get rid of and I wasn't trying to imply that.
Which to be fair could be true, but it is weird how defensive and borderline mean people can be about their stuff.

>>10085095
I had the same experience with my mom, she loved the book but quickly started harping on my dad to get rid of his stuff even though the book says specifically not to do that.

I don't think that's a case of partial reading though, she's just a bitch.

>>10084833
you could get a dress form to put things on? i have a pink polka-dotted one i put dresses on for display

>>10085083
actually I thought that $199 was a great price, I was grumbling about the original price of $285 USD.

>>10085086
Sorry to hear that, anon. I obesse over the US store just because that's the closest to me, but I have noticed in the past the reverse happening. Japan, of course, gets everything but then what the Paris site or San Francisco site gets is not always the same. There's a chance it still might eventually show up in Paris if there were too many left over in Japan.

Pic attached: two plaid special sets currently available, is the yellow one even related to a real plaid pattern?

So tempted to pull the trigger on those Doll's Ribbon Rider Jackets but I know that within a year they'll start looking like this and it's making me seriously bummed out. Would seriously have paid a few extra hundreds for actual leather as long as it wasn't genuine leather (marketing word used for trash glued up leather scraps that are only a small step above pleather). They could have made it MTO so they don't accidentally overproduce and sit on $1000 jackets that won't sell.

>>10085040
Did you even read what I wrote

>>10085179
Same anon. I know that's what it'll turn into, but it's so cute. Luckily they are mostly sold out so I just have to wait a bit longer so I won't be tempted anymore.

>>10085179
Same!! I wanted the pink and the blue so badly but they're already sold out so I guess it's fine? I've heard of pleather peeling even if you don't use it so it probably means no matter how well I take care of it, it'll happen.

>>10085123
Idk man just look at the website and the pricing makes perfect sense to me. Detachable pieces and more layers of fabric cost money. I'm kind of surprised they reduced the price so much

https://angelicpretty-onlineshop.com/product-category/item%20category/ジャンパースカート/

https://angelicpretty-onlineshop.com/product-category/item%20category/ワンピース/page/2/

>>10085179
Speaking of which, does anyone know if "bonded leather" is a thing in jp and what the term would be for it? Vs calfskin, cuiou, and other real leather types

>>10085040
People like you are the reason why companies spend so much time and money on advertisement and marketing

>>10085272
Bonded leather is a thing everywhere, but if it helps the Japanese are (in general) very into their high-end leather items. Some of the best bespoke shoemakers I can think of are in Japan, and there is a fiendish market for vintage leather jackets and motorbike gear.

>>10085179
>>10085201
>>10085204
Maybe you guys could give this as feedback to AP?

Do y'all put photos of yourself in lolita when on dating apps/websites? I'm conflicted bc I want to find someone who's familiar with alt fashion, but I also don't wanna scare em off.

>>10085588
I do. I wear pretty toned down classic lolita. I’ve only got positive comments. It helps that I’m conventionally attractive...

>>10085588
I think you should do it, especially if it's an important part of your life. Though you might attract some creeps?

>>10085588
I had an OTT sweet picture on mine, I got some off the wall comments but also a lot of really nice ones. So basically... about the same as using literally any kind of picture on a dating app.

>>10085179
>paid a few extra hundreds for actual leather
I feel this so hard, anon.

Unfortunately, a bunch of vegan lolitas in the west just shriek when you mention animal products and I think it's part of why brands emphasize "vegan leather". They don't understand how poorly and quickly these plastics degrade and how they just get everywhere. I had a pleather office chair like that and it started looking like your picture only after a year. If you use it, you destroy it. They only look nice for maybe the first few uses. Can't imagine how much worse that'd really be sitting out in the environment.

>>10085657
I did a lot of research about the environmental impact of leather vs. pleather and I found that unless you isolate it factory by factory or one specific supply chain vs. another specific supply chain, they basically come out as the same. What a lot of vegans forget is that pleather releases a ton of pollutants into the environment around where it's being produced; sickening and killing the surrounding wildlife. Whereas leather can be made in as equally as toxic of an environment (if it's cheap leather) or in a healthier, humane setting. Pleather can be almost eco friendly, but it's only the pleather that costs as much as real leather.

Overall I go with leather 90% of the time (my one weakness is brand novelty bags) to avoid the off-gasses, which are permanent even if you can't smell them. I have chronic, bad migraines so I try to do a lot of preventative stuff like not surrounding myself with highly chemical-based materials.

>>10085657
Vegans should just die

AtePie has free international shipping on orders over 20000yen

>>10085657
>why brands emphasize "vegan leather"
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Brands barely care about what the west has to say about anything, even less about a random niche part of their customer base abroad. And in general, animal cruelty is not really a consideration. You can still find pet shops where animals are kept in wire cages for 24 hours a day unattended.

>>10085750
Yeah I've never seen a lolita brand mention vegan anything

>>10085758
>>10085750
The english branches of lolita brands used label it like that, like AP USA. Are you new?

>>10085791
Yes I'm new, what is AP?

>>10085738

>>10085796
All Purple.

>>10085738

Can I just say that AtPi is the real mvp of lolita

>>10085791
There's an entire world outside the USA that doesn't buy from there

>>10085076
Yeah, the LL on Takeshita Doori

>>10085738
Would they also happen to mark down the packages...?

(I know I'm asking too much of them)

AP please no.

>>10085842

>>10085842
this looks like an ice cream

>>10085838
I don't think so but they discount tax. And I'm still really confused about that EU-Japan tax deal. I think we just have to pay around 20% tax now?

>>10085842

>>10085842
Etoile? More like ETOILET amirite????

>>10085838
Yes, I asked them that question a few days ago and told me they can mark it down. You need to put it in the comment box when you order together with your PayPal email address.
I asked them to declare the value as 2500 yen on the customs form in the comment box and I hope it will fly under the radar like most marked down packages do (for me).
Just paid for my order, I can keep you updated if you like? It'll be shipped with EMS so it probably shouldn't take very long to arrive.

>>10085842
Oefff those colors are horrid. .

>>10085895
Please let us know if they actually marked it down and if the box had any stickers on it that would make it look more suspicious

>>10085888
Remember that girl (Crystal or something?) on LJ that insisted we should all say waterclosets cause toilet wasn't a kawaii word?

>>10085903
Toilet is a very kawaii word though.

>>10085911
Let's not forget that bathrooms can be lovely.

>>10085842
I feel like if this was pink/purple/sax, I would cream my jeans over it.

>>10085842
this screams like it's a child beauty pageant dress

>>10085911
toilet is not a kawaii word, it's called (eau de toilette). it's a perfume that has a weaker scent compared eau de parfum.

>>10085920
I'm aware, I just laughed when I saw the listing long ago. It was literal potty humor.

>>10085902
I will anon. Here's the emails they sent me btw.

Also, my dress was 27000 yen in the shop (the velour side lacing OP) and I paid 25000 yen. In case anyone wonders about the discount.
Got an almost 8% discount which is really nice especially cause shipping is also free.

>>10085855
I also find it really confusing. Is it actually only for businesses anyway? Got the feeling the taxcuts didn't apply to us?

>>10085923
From what I understood, the taxcut is for everyone but the shop has to send an additional document with the shipping papers that proofs that the product was produced in Japan (not just bought there). I don't think regular Japanese shops know how to do that though.

>>10085842
jesus christ, this looks like a generic 'fairy princess' halloween costume, or some sort of pageant/cheer outfit for an 8 year old. What the fuck is happening to this fashion. Soon your average meetup is going to look like pic related. I want to die.

>>10085935
China is happening to the fashion. Can't wait for AP to release pizza and Ricardo dresses.

>>10085935
Hasn’t this always been the goal?

>>10085842
I think this looks really fun to wear but I'm not a sweet lolita so idk.

>>10085732
Lol tfw I’m vegan and don’t give two shits about leather bags

>>10085935
Ngl a lot of my comm’s meet-ups look like that already, though those little girls fit into their clothes better.

>>10085738
For how long?

>>10085732
Calm down anon. You sound like Piers Morgan.

>>10085842
This looks like something some animu idolshit would wear.

>>10085985
Then your not vegan

>>10086188
NAYRT and not even vegan (almost out of work and planning to get a big meaty ass cheeseburger) but you can be vegan just on a dietary level y'know. It does sound a little contradictory, but it really depends on their reasoning for getting into veganism. Whatever their reasons, it most likely is a contradiction though.

I saw this dress and was immediately reminded of those weird "sexy" aprons. You know the ones where they make you look like you're rocking a six pack. If you cut off the guy's head and move this up you can look like you're rocking that dude's outfit too.

>>10085935
Chill out. Brands put out ugly horseshit occasionally, that's the nature of fashion as a whole. Sometimes someone has a shitty idea without realizing how shitty it is and enough people on the production chain are unwise enough to inflict it upon the masses. Everyone collectively realizes they fucked up when it doesn't sell well, agree never to do that again, and life goes on. The brands aren't deteriorating, they're just run by people who occasionally fuck up.

>>10086487
I've never seen someone try so hard to have an unironic double chin

>>10085842
Do people hate this? It looks fucking cute. Reminds me of an idol dress.

Also, these stock photos aren't the highest quality, so it makes it look cheaper.

>>10086487
Is this Josine? I like the dress

>>10086561
Agreed. The weird part is, it's kind of cute somehow

Why don't a lot of the best lolitas on Instagram post on CoF? Why would they be scared of being posted here when they're practically perfect?

>>10086575
It’s because of you. cgl. You drove them away.

>>10086567
the fact that it looks like an idol dress is what makes it bad

>>10086579
I’m definitely not one of the best lolitas but I don’t post on cof because of cgl

>>10085837
When did Takeshita Liz Lisa close? I was there like 3 months ago and there was no sign of closing.

>>10086579
>>10086586
You are cowardly weenies and don't belong in the fashion anyway.

>>10086573
I disagree

>>10086591
I'm confused too. LL Takeshita Dori is still there and the online shop is still running.

>>10086633
OK post yourself then right now

>>10086575
A lot of people have given up on facebook entirely, maybe in a few more years it will join the ranks of ghost town networks along with myspace and orkut

>>10086575
>>10086759
This. Facebook is awful and COF is full of normies.

>>10085917
Like this?

>>10086808
I also liked this recolour.

>>10086575
CoF is either a circle jerk of no crit or tryhard criticism. There's just tons of ~lolitas at heart~ on Facebook, too.

>>10086808
I swear, these are all fruity cocktail drink colors

>>10086811
The pink one made me realize it's tie dye easter eggs.

>>10086573
Not Josine. Different Dutch girl.

New Moitie hat looks like shite.

>>10086591
>>10086698
They announced that location will close on Jan 31. Please check twitter

>>10086748
Lmao, why?

>>10086561
>>10086573
It makes her look just like the guy on the dress.

>>10086871
Might as well include an image if you want to discuss it.

There's just something frumpy about the way Moitie styles Fanny, I thought this was one of her own vintage hats at first.
Would never have pegged it for Moitie.

>>10086929
I think Fannie is beautiful, but is anyone disappointed she's modeling for Moitie? I would've rather seen her for JetJ or something.

Is there just such a lack of gothic lolitas that she has to model for Moitie? Nothing about her is gothic and she doesn't look remotely the aesthetic of the brand at all. She could at least try.

>>10086932
She looked great when she styled herself, I think the Moitie stylists are the problem. There are plenty of Moitiefags on IG who also style it really well in a more classic way.

>>10086929
The hat looks so cheap, Like they've just hot glued lace and a Moitie charm to a generic base and are going to charge 1000% more than buying a similar one because look, Moitie charm.

>>10086561
Her chin just always looks like that, she's not trying.

>>10086944
>>10086936
>>10086935
>>10086932
>>10086929
>>10086909
If you have a roast beef vagina then you should kill yourself. No man will ever truly love you

>>10085588
To blogpost, I have my Instagram linked to tinder. If they think it's weird, they think it's weird. It weeds out the weak though, and I've not met anyone who seems to have a problem with it yet. I wear all substyles, including ott sweet, so trust me I don't think you'd be scaring anyone off.

If anything, I've had more luck than when I had my normie Instagram linked 2 years ago.

>>10086935
I really think they could have just picked a better model, Fanny doesn't suit Moitie's image at all.

>>10086188
>>10086209
Most vegans I know do it for environmental reasons so they also don't like plastic

>>10086633
>if you don't live for the likes you shouldn't be in the fashion

>>10086932
I love Fanny and I think she's beautiful & elegant but she doesn't suit the gothic Moitie look because she just looks so classic no matter what she does.
She would have been perfect for JetJ, MM or VM.

hey gulls, my bf got me the diner doll salopette (pic related) from AP USA for my birthday! he picked it out and i was really excited because i like it quite a lot, but unfortunately it's a bit short on me. i've never had one before, but he got it cause he said it looked like overalls.

does anyone have any coord pics or suggestions for salopettes with like an underskirt? would that look okay? thanks!

>>10086932
I think she just to be a gothic lolita? She was also into malice mizer back in the day but I cant find pictures

>>10087017
They are supposed to be shorter. An underskirt would look weird with something so casual.

>>10086932
I think she used to be a gothic lolita? She was also into malice mizer back in the day but I cant find pictures

>>10087017
Just wear a slightly smaller petticoat and shorter bloomers

>>10087003
MM and VM are pretty dead and JetJ only likes the tall Caucasian models though.
Fanny is too short to model for them probably.

>>10086998
Really? I know some vegans outside of Jfashion who avoid plastic, but all the vegans in my lolita comm love polyester and collect kawaii aesthetic plastic pastel stuff a la Pixielocks.

>>10087017
Just make use of some peaking bloomers.

>>10087022
>>10087023
okay, thanks! i will try that and probably report back. honestly that's what i was thinking too, i want to keep it casual.

>>10087002
I fuckin love how zoomers act all high n mighty cause they don't use social media in
>current year

>>10087035
Enjoy getting zucc'd up your ass with privacy invasion.

>>10087039
I never use my real name so they won't find anything worth of value. If anything I help contribute to misinformation. I lie when I take ad surveys too.

>>10087035
Boomer here - I don't use social media because I come from an age where the internet was most certainly not a place to post personal information. Hiding under a veil of internet handles/anonymous was always how I dealt with the internet and still is. I'm not putting my shit out on social media.

>>10087073
Wait why are you on cgl

>>10086575
Why would you post on CoF? What possible reasons can you have besides wanting attention? Instagram is much more convenient if you want to document your own progress, and if you want feedback you should just ask your comm because on cgl and CoF it's mostly people pretending to be lolitas.

>>10087035
Instagram and twitter are also social media, but more useful than facebook.

>>10087077
Because 4channel isn't a social media site, it's an anonymous Congolese yam carving forum.

>>10086929
Kek she just posted a photo of her in Moitie on Instagram. Maybe to show how much she totally suits Moitie you gaiz.
Reminds of how she flounced and never posted on CoF again because someone said her coord wasn't lolita enough.
Paper thin skin huh.

>>10087131
Why do you come across as if you're proud of it or something

>>10086936
I bet that is exactly what they did, so disappointing.

>>10087131
She looks gorgeous, idk what the problem is.

>>10087182
People are just used to seeing something a certain way, and can't handle it when it suddenly looks different

>>10087146
Nah just amused at how much she acts like she doesn't care, but actually cares a lot.

>>10087190
You mean the Moitie ads? I understand that but like another anon said before, this is on Moitie's current stylists rather than Fanny herself not suiting the brand's image. And while I do agree that there are other girls that are more suited to Moitie's gothic aesthetic, it wouldn't be the first time they had a model who didn't look strictly gothic, pic related. Again, it all goes down to styling.

>>10087201
This is the cutest thing ever holy shit. I had no idea moitie could be kawaii

>>10087106
I mean, are you a lolita or a cosplayer?

>>10087201
How do we know she was styled by their stylists? Not saying you're wrong, it just seems more like her styling and not moitie's...

>>10087199
She doesn't act like she doesn't care, she talked at lengths about the "not lolita enough" thing and uses as much tags as possible so more people see her coords. Sounds like you're just looking for things to dislike about her.

>>10087225
Mostly because her personal style and how she wears Moitie is very different to what she looks like in their ads, and does actually flatter her, though I suppose it's still an assumption.

>>10087201
No I mean the anon who says gothic doesn't suit fanny

>>10087275
It suits her fine when she styles herself though. I don't see your point.

>>10087276
My point is that the anon who says fanny doesn't suit moitie ais wrong. You were replying to someone who says SHE doesn't suit moitie, not that the styling is wrong

>>10087276
You asked what the problem is. The problem is that people think fanny=classic and that's why they think it doesn't suit her, not because it looks bad on her (it doesn't)

Why are there all these "basic/simple/daily/underrated" lolita threads up cgl right now? They're all the same to me. Is someone waiting to be posted? Just self post in the promo threads in the catalog already.

>>10087002
Way to completely misinterpret what I meant. The problem isn't that they don't want to post on cof. It's that they say they don't want to post on there because a bunch of literal who's might think their coord is shit. If you're that spineless, I wonder how you manage to go out.

Can anything seriously not be done about her scalping ass? https://egl.circlly.com/auctions/baby-the-stars-shine-bright-baby-school-girl-jsk-headbow-a3cb8114-5854-4db2-9c57-1b90bc48a5ba
She's probably selling half of everything available on LM. I'm sick of it.

>>10087322
are you me
literally just saw that listing myself, looked at the sellers name and recoiled in distaste

>>10087304
You actually think they're all the same? How new are you? Lurk more newfag

>>10087334
Please explain the difference.

>>10087025
Yeah I think JetJs dresses would be way too long on fanny.

>>10087057
How naive you are.

>>10087326
Exactly. I love that dress and the price is reasonable, but there's no way I'm buying from her.

>>10087340
Casual lolita uses casual pieces of clothing like cutsews, tshirts and salopettes. Basic lolita is just that, basic lolita. Daily lolita means she wears it daily, it's unrelated to how the coord looks.

Underrated is just a lolita who has good coords but doesn't get any attention
>>10087349

>>10087304
i think it's silly too and i keep praying i don't get posted. it's happened a few times but i really don't want attention here.

>>10087340
Basic is exactly what it sounds like: Coords that include all the garments needed to create the basic lolita look without extra bells and whistles that are included in fancy or OTT coords.
Casual is, again, what it sounds like: Coords that are simplified and casual for daily wear. There's some overlap between basic and casual coords but they're not necessarily the same thing. The gist of the difference between the two is that casual incorporates more cutsew/jersey fabrics, simpler shoes, smaller and hair accessories (i.e. a hairclip instead of a large headbow), fewer accessories in general, and a petticoat with less volume, so it looks less fancy than most basic coords but is still put together and counts as lolita.
The "underrated" thread that >>10087304 mentioned is just about lolitas that get less attention but are still inspirational to some, it has nothing to do with basic or casual coords.

>>10087304
You just have to read the threads description and see the images posted there, it's true there's some overlapping but honestly you should be able to understand the difference yourself, especially if you aren't too new.

>>10086809
parrot noises

>>10087131
you actually think she reads here
fucking downie

>>10084574
Also if you are looking for the book, check your local library. if they don't have it in person 9because it is probably super popular right now) they probably have a downloadable ebook version of it

Has this been posted yet? I was just thinking how I hadn't seen a good dog-themed release in a while.

Not going to cunnypost in this thread. Enjoy a normal booby lewd.

>>10087475
No we only post AP here and collectively ignore all other brands

>>10087475
Aaah, and they're golden retrievers too! A bit bummed it doesn't come in red.

>>10087475
I love this print and the jsk cuts are decent. I might pick it up.

Ok I'll cunnypost instead. Sorry, I didn't realize you prioritize deleting busty boobs. Janny ass bitch.

>>10087446
She has said so herself so yeah she does, fanny licker.

>>10087344
Plus she’s too curvy JetJ likes rectangles

Is there an Estonian comm? I'll be visiting in a few weeks and would like to experience lolita in another country.

>>10085920
one of the definitions of toilet is the process of getting ready for the day. saying it in a different language doesn't make it superior. toilette is equivalent to toilet, and it's not limited to the perfume industry either.

Grand Bazaar Lolita just closed their webshop. Their physical store is still open.

>>10087809
Not really surprising with the rise of Fril/Rakuma and Mercari. It's easier to get back more money that way than taking what few yen the resell shops give.

>>10086188
Loads of people are vegan because of dietary reasons, fuckwad. Not everyone is some PETA loving faggot that mouth kisses their dogs.

>>10086809
I actually kinda love it as this version. AP should bring on more skilled designers. They’ve gotten progressively worse each new release.

>>10087717
Nayrt but come on

>>10084936
lazy but can I get that middle pic by itself please? so cute

>>10085815

>>10087835i
People who are vegan because they care about animals hate peta tho. It's one of those organisations only normies donate to because they're too lazy to look up what they do.

>>10087219
nayrt, but I'm an old as fuck lolita, and a boomer too. there are a few of us. lurking.

>>10087862
No

>>10087867
Do you wear lolita, or just Joann's novelty fabric circle skirt crap? I've never seen an older lolita in person actually wearing lolita, just weird handmade trash. It's sad because handmade can be beautiful but they always use the laziest costume looks

>>10087871
This lady's rocking it

>>10087871
NAYRT but assume that person meant they're a 30 year old boomer, I am too, and wear mostly IW, VM, and JM since that's what I can wear to work while still flaunting my frills but not raising any eyebrows.

I own my fair share of AP and Baby and love the pieces I own, but I can't really whip out the Dreamy Jewel and cupcake petty for the department meeting.

>>10087871

I'm not even one of the two previous anons. I post on social media, I don't mention my age and people just assume I'm a whole decade younger.

The only real difference is it's maybe truly time I graduated out of OTT pastel AP. It's so hard to let go of though, every morning I look in the mirror and try to tell myself my eyebags aren't bad enough that I need to sell off Dreaming Macaron just yet.

Also for some reason my wrinkles are forming on my eyelids instead of making crows feet? idk.

>>10087867
Honestly that makes me so inspired and happy

I wish I could follow you but....

>>10087898
Please never give up things you because of your age! Especially with OTT, you can't really tell what age someone is beneath all the makeup, wigs, eyelashes, etc

>>10087871
Most comms don't have old lolitas because old lolitas don't need a comm to hang out with other lolitas

>>10087585
>Fanny
>curvy
what

>>10087898
>>10087891
Fuck off, 30's not old. I didn't realize Anon meant that stupid meme, I thought they were talking about actual baby boomers in lolita. Which I would love to see, like >>10087880 but especially in sweet because fuck the world, wear what you like

>>10087952
Curvy does not mean fat, anon. Fanny has a clear hourglass figure.

>>10087677
There is a comm in Tallinn, when I went there the girls were super friendly and immediately made me feel like I was part of the comm, but I haven't checked facebook in a long, long while so I wouldn't know where to direct you to, anon, sorry

>>10087955
Fuck yes, anon. I'm 31 and have mostly sweet as sugar AP in my wardrobe and wear it all the time when I'm not at work. Sweet shouldn't be associated with age.

>>10088124
nayrt but FUCKING AMEN

>>10088124
People who associate it with age are fuking age players.
It's not about looking like a little girl there's no reason an old woman shouldn't wear it.

>>10087971
She barely has any boobs and not much of a butt though. She just knows how to dress to flatter her boyish figure. The belts and cinched waist really help to give the illusion of an hourglass figure.

>>10087971
>>10088146
who gives a shit

>>10088124
>>10087955
I really hope that by the time all the remaining lolitas are in their 70s, we've all managed to come together as community to figure out living situations so we don't have to worry about breaking a hip in the shower and waiting for the robot maid to find us
But I hope we all start grouping/coupling up before that, it would be awesome to live with another lolita friend

>>10088146
imagine being in a fashion that covers your entire body from neck to toe, and giving a shit about some stranger's body type
oh nope, my bad, you don't need to imagine

>>10088146
>Boyish
Stay jelly, lardo

>>10088165
I can barely handle getting into some of my OTT coords as it is but I would love to wear this as an old lady, don't know what else I'd do with my wardrobe. I have enough that it wouldn't be feasible to sell as a lot unless someone had ridiculous amounts of money and similar taste. Maybe as a few lots but I have no intention of doing that

>>10088146
>boyish figure

>>10088246
Yes? The flowy top suggests bulk and contrasts with the belted waist, plus she's crossing her legs to give the illusion of curves. If her feet were side by side she'd have 0 hips.

>>10088253
>>10088246
Who the hell cares about Fanny so much. What has she ever done for the fashion anyways, can we just move on???
Anyone getting stuff from Grand Bazaar and the sales? Show off your spoils.

>>10088246
This outfit and pose could be directly out of a "how to create curves for any body shape" article. She'd be the example picture for slim rectangle.

>>10086871
Looks like IW or a decorated ebay hat. It's stupid and it makes me angry.

>>10088358
It's better than that bonnet at least, but it's still crap.

>>10088362
I'll agree that at least it's pretty. But for $150? What is wrong with Mana?

>>10088364
Mana sold out, so all WW's parent company wants is that sweet sweet Moitiefag money.

>>10088358
I'm a sucker for that candelabra lace though...

>>10088367
All these changes have made me stop buying Moitie. It's got me disillusioned with lolita overall. I don't even know what to buy, nothing has the aesthetic I like.

>>10088373
So am I but not for $150

>>10088376
Ay same. I bought a couple main pieces from the renewal but this "Slap a candelabra on a basic item and triple the price" routine has depressed me. Then the quality of the lace used on the socks, as well as the accessories falling apart has put me off badly, on top of my own issues with things I bought. I've tried to be understanding about the fact that they don't have a designer but that's no excuse for a drop in quality. My Moitie-loving heart feels exploited.

>>10088146
Lolita fashion isn't about boobs or butt. Hell, it's the exact opposite of that.

>>10088358
I'm going to stand in defense of this and say that people are always ripping apart Moitie for being "overpriced" and "basic" and it's nothing new. Anyone who buys Moitie can vouch for the quality and timelessness and you can't really feel the actual quality difference from a stock pic. Not everything needs to be AP priced items that are churned out en masse from Chinese factories. It's likely this is made in Japan.

>>10088389
In the past I would have agreed with you, but how have you managed to miss the massive quality issues they've been having over the last year?

>>10088389
I have been collecting moitie since 06 and can say you don’t know how bad their quality has dropped over the years. Their fabric choices have dramatically decreased and their prints have gotten even worse. They used to have very nice trimmed lace and everything was secured nicely to the garments. Now they have literally glued ribbons onto head bows instead of the hand sewing they used to do. Resorted to thinner cheaper Chinese chiffon over their thick and sturdy fabrics. Their lace isn’t nearly as nicely trimmed and their bags are stitched less securely. They have stopped paying attention to details and just started half assing things. Basic styles and prints in cheaply made fabrics for the same high dollar price.

>>10088394
This just breaks my heart. Are you still supporting Moitie, or where have you chosen to take your business? I'm considering Sheglit but the styles are too classic

>>10088389
>made in Japan

That top hat with the cross is confirmed taobao with a MmM cross slapped on, I don’t believe for a minute these other two hat releases are any different.

>>10088402
Fuck me this is my deepest suspicion. I also don't think the lace that was used on the socks was made in Japan either. They couldn't find an atelier to produce it for how many years, and then all the sudden it's back?

>>10088398
I buy from time to time but I’m spending much less on their stuff first release and more waiting till it goes on extreme sale. But I have been buying more Atelier Pierrot, some I do declare, some older things I liked that I didn’t get from AatP. I have been shopping around. There’s some nice prints from taobao I have purchased but I have been finding less and less interest in moitie since their price point to quality isn’t justifiable to me any more.

>>10085073
To be fair, Grand Bazaar didn’t carry much. I’ve gone to their physical store twice and they had at most 4 actual dresses and a few Jane Marple pieces. It was a waste of time going out to their store

>ww headquarters, marketing meeting
>moitie fans didn't like the hats
>they're still talking about the bad lace, crappy LPs, and broken hair clips
>they're begging for the silent moon rerelease and it's not ready yet
>they're buzzing like a cloud of black and blue bees asking if we have a new designer yet
>fuggg
>quick release some overpriced bullshit to distract them

>>10088440
>Includes cushion cover only. Please supply your own cushion
>100% Polyester
>¥5940
You just can't make this shit up

>>10088440
>>10088441
I'm not even a hardcore Moitie fan and this made me very angry. It feels so lazy, honestly, especially when you compare it to the pillows they had once released.

>>10088443
Now THAT is a pillow cover worth at least $50 and probably more. Makes me even more angry about the new redbubble-looking pieces of shit.

>>10088443 is something I would probably pay 60 dollars for. The design is simple but elegant and has generous amounts of custom moitie lace. It'd match most gothic lolita or even just romantic goth home decor.

Whatever they call >>10088440 just feels like lazy design at this point. I get that they're between designers at the moment but come on, we've been asking all this time for rerelease of the silent moon dress not the same graphic lazily slapped onto a pillowcase for 60 bucks. Someone at Moitie has gotta be taking the piss.

>>10088440
>>10088443

>>10088440
Moitie went to shit once the Chinese got their grubby money mitts on it desu

>>10088394
I'm so glad someone mentioned the lace! The way it's trimmed on the new hime sleeve blouses is so sloppy. I got little fuzzies on the end after washing once on delicates and hanging to dry!

>>10088146
Sorry you're fat.

>>10088423
Their lolita floor section is quite large, where you on the right floor?

>>10088440
This isn't Moitie, it's a replica. Moitie died in 2016.

>>10088440
>>10088443
I at least like these pillows, but i could easily make the lace one myself or find something like the blue one in etsy for a fraction if the cost.

I only just got back into lolita last year after falling in love with it again and have enough money to actually afford it. I was so excited that i joined back just as moitie was getting back into gear and have bought quite a few items. There is still stuff i want to buy, but hearing how disappointed people are with moitie is very discouraging and is so sad.i hope after i buy the last couple of items i wanted, i won't have that level of disappointment just yet.

Sorry for my meaningless rant.

>>10088461
Anyone who disagrees with me is fat!
Waaaawaa

>>10088460
The lace on my socks were so shitty that i would have thought they were a replica if I didn't buy them directly.
The lace on the headdresses were fine though, so it's a hit or miss.
Wunderwelt is shit though either way

>>10088443
Not sure why you guys would want a lace covered pillow now if you think the lace is shit. But this did come with the pillow too at least

>>10088460
That sounds like you fucked it up. I just threw it in the wash and it was fine. You don’t get pilling from untrimmed lace.

>>10088398
My tastes have always leaned more classic so for new purchases, Sheglit and AtPi have been getting my business. Neither brand makes lace like MmM used to though, RIP

>>10088358
I really want it but I think I will remove the gauze(?). The rest of you can buy one from taobao.

>>10088389
Ita. Moitie has always looked basic and I love it. Idk where these people complaining were a few years ago. Moitie's more interesting hats cost 25000 yen and their most simple hats used to cost 14000 yen.

>>10088499
nayrt but have you even read their post? Get your ego-wank out of here.

>>10088358
Does pic related costing 13440JPY make you angry too?

>>10088394
I've been buying Moitie for a long time too and I couldn't disagree more about the fabrics and production so I'm just going to assume you're role-playing. Read some reviews next time you visit cgl.

>>10088440
I think it's because so many people asked for accessories and "goods" in the survey. You can't seriously be so ignorant you think they just planned that cushion this week.

>>10088503
Pointing out Moitie didn't increase in price at all is emo wank? What?

>not knowing Moitie has always been more expensive than AP
>not knowing what premium pricing is
Who knew this would happen when Moitie started updating more

>>10088443
>>10088444
That one was 6990 yen, used with minor damage, jsyk

>>10088513
Do you know how much it was new?

>>10088146
http://fannyrosie.tumblr.com/post/154698612980/you-look-so-nice-in-all-this-romantic-styled
She's stated her measurements multiple times on her tumblr. That ain't boyish.

>>10088524
Why are you two so obsessed with her?

>>10088510
>>10088499
I always get salty because no one ever complains about JetJ the same way they complain about Moitie. I think people think interesting prints = quality or something and that couldn't be further from the truth.

>>10088529
They are only complaining about moitie because they are too new to know any better. None of these rpers know jetj enough to bitch.

>>10088532
It's common knowledge that JetJ went down hill ages ago. There's nothing to really complain about because everyone knows their quality is a bit shit. On the other hand, Moitie was still thought to be fantastic quality (barring some dodgy prints) until recently. I'd even say their clothes still are, I've just had very bad luck with their accessories in the last year. And those LPs were just sad.

>>10088529
Tons of people complain about JetJ though? Especially a while back.

>>10088529
>>10088543
Yeah a lot of people on cgl complain about JetJ's pricing. Their quality is still good though. They really just don't know what premium pricing is and feel entitled to everything lolita brands release.

Does anyone know if they restock Moitie pieces (at the Wunderwelt shop)? Like at all, if it's popular enough?
I'm a fool and regret not ordering the recently released Catherine (cutsew) OP which is now sold out.

Screw this "no-buy unless it's a dd" resolution, learned my lesson. Pff it was so cheap too, should have just bought it.

>>10088529
JetJ prints look beautiful though. I want to buy a skirt of this.

>>10088550
There's a good chance it's still available in-store at Kera or Atelier Pierrot (also, see >>10085738, they also discount tax so it's cheaper than wunderwelt)

>>10088543
I remember when they (re?)released that La Dame à la licorne JSK.
Which was at least 10cm smaller than they said it would be, people had to send it back for a replacement I think, on their own dime?
That sucked.
I don't know about other issues though.

>>10088552
God I love that print so much but the cut they released really didn't do it justice

>>10088552
Anyone noticed they re-newed their site? I wonder if they mark parcels down too? Atelier Pierrot is giving me hope

>>10088553
Can't see it on AtePi online store

>>10088550
Email AtePie about it. They might be able to grab you one from in store stock if it's available anon!

>>10088562
>>10088563
I think if it's not listed as out of stock they never had it. Emailing is still worth a try though.

>>10088565
No, I've ordered items with them via email that never showed up on their site.

Does Sheglit never have a sale?

>>10088553
Speaking of Atelier P store, did they stop stocking JetJ? None on the website

REMINDER
>Antique Beast reopens for orders tomorrow
>Great quality
>Do custom lengths on their clothes
>Will even change trims for you
>Headdresses are affordable, even the iconic one
Goths who are dissatisfied with Moitie, you may want to get in this

>>10088524
Nayrt people can lie about measurements too ya know. It's also really creepy to dig up some random post like that. Why the hell would you care so much about what some internet strangers think about some internet stranger.

>>10088576
You forgot to mention you have to pay extra for alterations and use a shopping service

Are there any reviews or flip-throughs of Tulle vol 3 or 4?

>>10088576
No! Why did you tell me this? I was supposed to be saving money.

>>10088604
You don't need a shipping service, they ship internationally. Paying extra for alterations is pretty normal.

>>10088604
They actually do alterations of up to 5 cm for free, which I think is a steal. I ordered from AB last time they were open. The dress I got was the wrong size but they're being very accomodating and offering to pay for shipping so I can send it back to them and they can alter it to be what I ordered for free.

>>10088576
>finally got and paid for IW sale invoice yesterday
>preordered the Eat Me Ink Me orchard rerelease yesterday
>now this

Wish they could have waited another week, rip my wallet. But thanks for the notification, been waiting for them to reopen to buy some specific stuff.

>>10088604
http://buttcape.blogspot.com/2017/07/ordering-guide-antique-beast.html
The owner is super sweet and does her best to help you out and accomodate in her best google translate. She even makes a note for you in english too.

>>10088611
Do they mark parcels down?

>>10088576
Am I the only one eagerly awaiting the day this exact Antique Beast headdress trend finally dies? It was cute at first but it's been a few years and I am really sick of seeing them as often if not moreso than Holy Lantern. Especially worn together.

Is it any cheaper shipping wise to buy from Wunderwelt with an SS or is shipping cheaper for them to just sent it to your country?

>>10088576
I got the pictured headdress in the black shantung and white georgette last year. The great is a tad shiny on parts but I don't mind since it really highlights the details. But I highly recommend, they look really nice in those fabrics.

>>10088655
Depends on your country /taxes

>>10088506
Did you read the post? They agree with you, retard.

>>10087955
Yes, but the whole fuck what the world thinks is a whole different ballgame when working a conservative, professional job.

>>10088696
Nayrt but ita means I totally agree with you

>>10088696
Did you read the post?

>>10088639
You and me both. This brand has been around so long and is still rereleasing the same shit. Think of something new and cute ffs

>>10088746
Yeah I don't understand why they never releases new stuff. The brand could be so much more popular, but once you have what you want from them you never have to check there again.

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