/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Are there any brands that still make old-school lolita? Not as a side-project, kind of like Baby does with its classical series, but a full fledged old school.

>>10060081
Anna House?

>>10060100
nayrt but awww lovely, I just wish their shipping to Europe wasn't that expensive. But from a quick look their items look really well done and cute.

>>10060081
Maxicimam.

>>10060126
Who is this? She’s cute.

Any suggestions for lace-topped otks that can work on larger calves? I was considering buying the recent MMM ones but now there seem to be issues with their quality, and in another thread someone explained that they're no good for people without slim calves

>>10060156
Baby's torchon socks are really comfortable, as are Meta's. IW's are a little snug, but they have a nylon-like texture that's really nice.

>>10060156
If you just want solid lace topped ones, Baby is fine (their patterned socks stretch less though). Their torschon lace isn't as good as it used to be but it's still good, and their basics are more affordable than most. Plus they mesh well with just about everything.

Besides the Moitie ones wouldn't have been great for oldschool anyway, custom tulle lace was a mid-2000s innovation mostly (there are older examples from Moitie and other brands but it's not a common thing), and generally 2005-2006 is the rough oldschool cutoff point.

>>10060121
You could use Tenso or a SS though.

Does anyone have any old school sweet inspo???

>>10060263
Wow Amo was thicc

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>>10060126
Old school wasn't made for this level of poof and it just looks off.

>>10060486
I like it. I personally prefer old school with modern touches rather than staying perfectly pure to old school.

>>10060494
that would be ok if there were other modern touches to the outfit as well as the poof. But the styling here is very old school.

>>10060499
nayrt but her hair doesn’t look authentically old school and those Demonia platforms always look modern to me for some reason.

>>10060530
You have to be fucking kidding me right
Authentically looking old school hair? Shut the fuck up lol
>>10060486
There are a lot of examples of exaggerated poof in old school. Pic related

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>>10060638
Seconding this anon, AP did a lot of shoots with exaggerated poof.

>>10060076
Planning an oldschool coord for a meet next month. Theme is flowers, plants, etc.

Anyone have good examples of floral prints for oldschool inspo? I have an old baby jsk, it's black with a floral print.

Pic related but mine is much more old-school looking, it doesn't flare out as much as this one.

>>10060695
Ngl when I think about old school floral, I think of Meta's pieces, like pic related. It's on CC right now btw: https://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/product/190338
This OP's fabric isn't their usual grandma's couch gobelin but it still has that charming and cute grandma-kei look associated with it. The JSK you posted can maybe be coorded in an old school way but it's a lot more modern in comparison.

>>10060701
I have a different colorway of this OP and it is luxurious.

>>10060638
Are you blind/retarded/don’t think hair and makeup matter? Her hair is exactly like those modern brushed out taobao wigs that look like a cloud of loose curls. Old school curls are defined and don’t look like a poodle on top of your head. There’s a distinct difference and it makes the overall coord look modern.

>>10060734
What the fuck are you going on about, ratted hair was definitely a part of the fashion.

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>>10060734
Are we even talking about the same fashion?
Quality is absolute garbage, I apologise.

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>>10060737
All of those look different except for maybe >>10060743 lmao. Hers isn’t defined and messy/spiky, it’s just fluffy and looks out of place to me (here’s the key word). I’m not arguing that ratted hair wasn’t a thing.

I was pointing out why I think this looks like a modern inspired-by-old-school coord and why the poof works.
>that would be ok if there were other modern touches

>>10060753
You're a complete autist, mate.

>>10060753
I will admit her wig looks like absolute shite.

>>10060499
Well there are. Other anons pointed out the shoes and hair. I pegged this as modern old school immediately because of those three things (shoes, hair, poof)
And that's fine, not everything from the 00s was good, it's kind of weird to still do your hair and makeup like you're from 2001.
>>10060737
Sorry anon you're wrong, those examples youre posting are distinctly different.

>>10060530
Lol bye Ophelia. She looks great

>>10060296
this is the stuff of my dreams. geeze, I love old school.

>>10060486
the skirt shape is off because she should have been using bell pettis instead of a-line. that's what looks weird.
poof in old school is absolutely fine.

>>10060826
??? diffanon but Ophelia wears Demonia so I do't know why you decided to force your hateboner for her into this

>>10060841
>Doesn't understand the ophelia meme

>>10060156
the Meta ones are great, really solid quality and very stretchy. They are made with raschel lace but it's a nice quality kind. I thought the Meta ones were ok but just they weren't long enough to go over my knees? But I don't have too much of an issue with it since I expect that from most burnado socks on my big calves. My only concern about the moitie ones is I feel like my big toe is about to pop right through the sock and make a hole. Don't have that issue with my meta socks, seems like they're made of slightly thicker or stronger material.

>>10060826
I... didn’t say she looked bad. I like the coord.

>>10060081
i'd say physical drop counts

I'd like to get into old school but I don't know where to start. I started wearing lolita only ~2 years ago and don't know much about the style at its origins. Are there communities that could help me or online resources? I see a lot of tutorials on lolita but not on old school lolita.

>>10060968
what do you like about the style?
maybe identifying the aspects of the aesthetic that jive with you will help you figure out what your first pieces should be.

>>10060968
also, look through old GLBs
http://www.lolitahistory.com/gallery/index.php?/category/1
>I hope I just made your weekend

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>I hope I just made your weekend
You definitely did, thank you so much! I finally understand what others meant with "lolita gallery", lol.

>what do you like about the style?
I'm not even sure my understanding of old school is that good (it will definitely improve thanks to that archive though, thanks again). Mainly, I liked how coords looked more street-stylish and less polished/more natural. I also like gothic and classic lolita and I feel these styles were the heart of old school (I might be wrong!), while nowadays I see an abundance of OTT sweet and rainbow pastels, which I personally dislike.

>>10060975
nayrt but fuck those old GLBs get me wet.

I didn't bother participating in the community when I was younger because I knew I couldn't afford to wear it yet. I focused on learning to sew and design instead. The trends passed me by, and when I finally stumbled upon them as an adult, they looked really awkward (no offense) and just not like anything I'd wear.

Now I'm trying to build a wardrobe in the style that drew me to lolita in the first place, and finding the right pieces and patterns has been hard. Here's to hoping this oldschool resurgence comes with a slew of suitable new releases and isn't just a short-lived fad.

>>10061012
>finding the right pieces and patterns has been hard
You mean finding the pieces that are actual old school and also suit you? What about this is difficult to you? Asking seriously. Is it the sizing?

>>10061012
You mean you're fat?

>>10060980
Gothic was having a big boom in the early 00s but classic was still less popular than sweet back then and arguably less popular than today. It was just a simpler style of sweet.

>>10061012
What year did you discover lolita in? The community in 2003 was very different to the community in 2008 or the community in 2012.

>>10060701

thanks! i'm not in the market for more main pieces atm but if i clear out of some stuff i'm not wearing, i'll look into stuff like this :)

i worded my question awkwardly sorry. what i meant was if anyone had any examples of coords that are oldschool that have floral motifs. wasn't sure how to coord mine. I figured something along these lines, mintkismet posted a floral oldschool coord that im taking inspo from:

*floral baby jsk
*lacy short sleeve blouse + plain black wristcuffs
*black RHS + white otks with black accents or black otks with white lace
*maxi-pad headdress (probably plain black)
*triangle curly wig in a natural color

pic related

>>10061133 I didn't look for / find the online community until 2011-ish. Up until then, I thought lolita (and j-fash in general) was made up of stray weirdos who made their own clothes or commissioned them from seamstresses.

I've lurked on and off since then, dug around in blog archives, learned the vocab, learned to use lm and shopping services, discovered and binged the GLB, etc. I'm still learning to navigate everything the community has to offer but can do the important shit without too much trouble.

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No, I mean I took some time to figure out my personal style and am only buying high quality pieces that match it. I'm not going to bid on every random oldschool piece that pops up on LM just to go "uwu I'm finally a weel wowita desu."

Trying to find items and patterns suitable for a substyle within an unpopular substyle within a style that hasn't been worn by its small community for fifteen years is a pain in the ass, regardless of size.

>>10060486

Nigga what

>>10060168
Is that really the cutoff? I'm thinking I saw still quite a bit of what can be considered old school for some years after that in issues of GLB till 2008-9 or so? Maybe I'm mistaken though?

>>10061294
It's just the rough cutoff, not a rule

>>10060734
are you stupid, newb, or vendetta? this was the 90s/2000s, crimped, and frizzed hair was popular in alt fashion

>>10060149
I'm not sure if she still goes by this name but cosma shanti

>>10061170
Look through some G&LBs instead of looking at modern coords. One common combo with old black florals I noticed is black RHS, lace/crochet tights, a choker and gloves.

>>10061245
So are you actually looking to get into oldschool? Or the style of lolita that was popular in 2010-2011, which is a different thing.

>>10061294
Brands continue to produce old school/old school inspired pieces to today, and people didn't just quit wearing it overnight. But the mid-2000s saw a lot of changes in the style from the early 2000s. Pic related is an old AP shoot for Twinkle Mermaid back in 2006, and if I recall much fuss was made about them having pastel wigs on in the ad. While it's a far cry from the height of the OTT sweet trend, it was still a hint at what was to come and a departure from the natural hair colors or Vkei hairstyles.

On the western side of things, 2006 was the year Kamikaze Girls came out in the west and while Momoko is oldschool as hell, the film brought a lot of new people into the subculture just as AP was hybridizing with diabetes. Throw in a good number of the new people being influenced by the ongoing anime/manga boom and the rest is history. 2006 was also the year the original Lolita Handbook came out to try and codify what "lolita" was and how to put an outfit together, and 2008 was when the English version of the GLB came out.

The publishing of the handbook to me marked one of the biggest turning points in western lolita fashion between old school and not old school since it marked a change in the community mindset.

Sorry, this is probably really jumbled. Tl;dr I think enough had changed in the mid-2000s that it was a transitional era between old school and OTT sweet.

>>10061342
Old school, a la late 90s - early 00s manga. I was just an innocent weeb with no clue the fashion had an online presence and popular brands and changing trends until it was too late.

>>10061342
i'll take a look, thanks anon! will also look into old street snaps as well. i appreciate the feedback

>>10061357
Thanks anon, very interesting and makes sense. I need to re-look at the Bibles and that Handbook. I know I read it at some point but I'm really charmed by the re-emergence of old school so I'll look with fresh eyes to learn. I'll probably come back with more questions though! Interesting stuff.

>>10061320
If you can't see the difference between >>10060126 and frizzed or crimped hair from the 90s/2000s then you're the stupid one, it's clearly a modern wig

>>10061511
Ok, I’m an interested lurker but your posts picking at things so much have made me decide to style my coords ‘old school inspired’ regardless. It’s such a tiny niche in an already niche fashion. I’m not sure why you feel the need to pick at things so hard but it’s not going to help people practice or appreciate old school one bit more, rather the opposite.

If you are one of those ‘passionate for accuracy’ people then you need to put your money where your mouth is, post plentiful examples, some of them your own coordinates, or step back a bit.
This is a fashion.
It’s supposed to be fun.

wow the amount of autism in this thread is off the chain. yes you need to have a certain amount of elements together to make it old school but jfc who cares if you want to style it with demonias or a new wig, like all things:
>if the coord looks good, it's good. the end.

>>10061713
I’m guessing the posts with the rudely stated nitpicks are one person.
At least I’m hoping so.

Photo for contribute. I didn’t know some of the Bodyline pieces without prints have names also. l489 is called Elise Ball?

>>10061729
I don't see why its name matters, it's not a very good design, not for old school or otherwise.

>>10061745
Thank you for your opinion. Why do you think it is not a good piece for coordinating old school?
Can I get a second opinion?

This and a few other pieces without prints from Bodyline have been pointed out as OK pieces to build an oldschool coord with.
No one ever seriously says anything from Bodyline is great, just OK.

>>10061748
In terms of design it reminds me of late 00s AP, it looks like a cheap version of this JSK, for example: https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-sweet-frill-jsk
While this AP JSK can be coordinated in an old school hime type of look, the Bodyline one just looks bad, from the materials used to the ugly bows and the strange ruffles on the bodice. It's just bad, I wouldn't recommend it at all. When people talk about Bodyline pieces that work with old school, afaik they're usually referring to L526, typically in black/black or white/white because the lace on it is hideous and stands out in almost all other colorways; and L384, which imo is one of Bodyline's better pieces in general, I used to own it myself.

>>10061755
>L384
I meant L348, oops.

>>10061713
the amount of autism is staggering, I agree. apparently, reading comprehension isn’t a thing and nobody can see that they were answering someone who complained that there weren’t enough modern touches to the coord for it to work with massive poof instead of policing what’s allowed to exist in the fashion. I’m assuming it’s the same anon, they even fucking said they LIKED the coord, so you got your bloomers in a twist for nothing. the hair sperg right after is the one who started the shitstorm because they didn’t agree with someone’s opinion on the internet.

>>10061748
I don't know what this particular piece is made of but the material looks very off and the overall feeling is cheapish. As >>10061755 said it's probably a later AP design replica. I think especially the bows on the hem and pearls on the waist bow gives it away. I would stay away from modern pieces with as much decoration as this if you don't want to buy an actually old dress for some reason. Looking old snaps has helped atleast me to figure out what kind of things were worn and how if I really want to mimic the look so I suggest you try it too.

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Nayrt and slightly off topic, but I have this dress and I want to modify it to look better. I’ve already removed all the ugly bows which has helped a lot. Any other modification suggestions to make it look better?

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>>10061768
Thank you very much for the advice and recommendations, I will look for a better piece and study the old snaps.

What about l362 in black? Could it be used in an oldschool look?

>>10062120
just dont buy bodyline main pieces for old school

>>10062135
I want to buy a Japanese brand oldschool piece but I haven't still had the chance. I already own this BL piece which imo looked kinda oldschool but I'm not experienced so I asked. Can I get a more serious answer? Oh, I also own AP Angel Pony Applique skirt in black, now that I think about it. But 2008 isn't really that oldschool maybe.

>>10062120
It can work but imo it won't look as good as brand. If you want to coord it, just look for the right accessories and see how it works for you; otherwise I suggest you look into the secondhand market and find yourself one of Baby's staple main pieces; it won't be a ~*unique*~ look but it's a good way to start.
As for >>10062147 Pony Applique can be coorded in a simple way that calls back to 2008/2007 if you know what you're doing, but I'm not convinced it'll make a good main piece for old school.

>>10062147
old school sweet is a thing and you can coord the pony skirt in an OS sweet way! i tend to cut off old school by 2007, but everyone has different standards for t

Does anyone have more inspo for unnatural haircolors with oldschool?

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Awesome, thank you anon.
Especially the shiro coords look great with colored hair.

>>10062308
>boobs
>fuzzy leg warmers
>whatever that is on her head
this is ita as fuq

>>10062625
No it's late 90s as fuq you uncultured SWINE

>>10062625
man i just really hate modern lolitas

y'all REALLY don't know what you're talking about when it comes to old school

>>10062625
>not knowing moon kana
literally kill yourself

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if a girl wore a literal trashbag as a dress in an old street snap oldschoolers would defend it to the death and pay 20000 yen for it

>>10062638
yes and what about it
its called having different tastes you retard. stop commenting on an oldschool thread if you hate oldschool that much.

>>10062638
Tru but you're still a pleb for not appreciating moon kana.

>>10062120
No, the lace on this dress is a tulle lace which makes it look more modern

>>10062638
Sorry you like your costumey princess dresses that look like they walked out of a ageplayers daydream, why don't you go cry some more about how awful old school is

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>>10062726
>using ageplay as a defense mechanism when shit like this is posted itt
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have fun parading around with stuffed animals in your sexy schoolgirl outfits nonny

>>10062732
and..??? stuffed animals have been used in alt fashion for like ever get a new point

>>10062305
Where can i find tulle pettis for stand alone wear like this one?

>inb4 malco modes, the shipping price to europe is insane

>>10062732
Wow, you're so far up your own ass it must be too dark for you to tell that >>10061289 is an actual dog.

>>10060126
Where did she get this wig?

>>10062311
I really love this kind of coord but I’m not sure about wearing striped socks/tights. So many coordinates with them are automatically just judged badly, old school or not.

>>10062333
Please tell me this is not Mana.

>>10062902
It is

>>10062899
Please don't base what you wear on what others will judge as ita, wear what you think looks good. That attitude is how we people like >>10062625 who call good coords its because they've heard the same stuff parroted over and over.

>>10062925
to add on, old school was more about open experimentation because the fashion was still in its early years, it will sometimes not match or look "lolita" but most of its taken with a grain of salt. striped socks were pretty common then, and gradually over time, like most of the fashion, got replaced by prints

>>10062317
Does anyone know the name of best girl on the left? She’s my favorite meta model.

>>10062340
I hate that this counts as lolita

>>10062927
So if the experimental things were ok then why is the same kind of experimentation so frowned upon now? It's fine to wear modern brand sets and all matching prints but it should still be ok to be adding things in to make the fashion more your own while still keeping the general aesthetic. That's kind of missing now.

Somewhat off of the old school topic but I'm wondering if that's part of the reason people are drawn to old school, because experimentation more creativity seem to be ok.

>>10062953
fuck off then nobody asked your opinion

>>10063134
>why is the same kind of experimentation so frowned upon now?
Because the fashion and the community surrounding it has changed. Frilly rebellion was set aside in favor of immaculate, photoshoot-ready coords, at least as far as standards and "ideals" go; and anything less than that is ita.
It very well may be why people are drawn to old school, though you can tell that many newer girls do old school the way they'd do modern lolita, in a very formulaic way, and they don't really experiment with it.

>>10062947
The model names are in the corner on the bottom right.

>>10063134

It’s not really frowned upon per se. The ita thread needs its own spoonful of salt — when newbies started coming in they simply copy+paste random things so you end up with clueless nitpicks on the dumbest things.

The problem with “giving accolades” to experimentation is twofold. The first is that lolita is just old. Whatever a newbie wants to “experiment” with, it’s usually already been done by a few hundred girls before her. Keep in mind the rules weren’t written first and lolita constructed later, they were generalised FOR the clueless newbs who had trouble dressing themselves. No one really wants to watch some noob spam the same ugly “”experiments”” that a few hundred other girls have already tried and failed. We’ve seen it, let’s move on. No one’s interested in seeing them repeat the same mistakes as everyone else until they finally realise that the rules and the senpais had it right all along, the classic formula works. That’s why if you’re new to lolita and not already dressing well, general advice is to stick to the rules and matching sets.

The other problem is “giving accolades” itself. God knows why, lolita attracts special snowflakes. And for some goddamn reason most of them think they’re God’s gift to lolita rather than “yet another newbie”. So they’ll get all “””experimental””” and churn out coords that are ita or barely lolita (or both) and then blame people not liking their subpar coords. It gets tiring after a while. So pretty much, those attention-seekers have tarnished the term “experimental”, now it’s semi-code for “Please shower me with praise and attention for not looking like a lolita”.

But experimentation itself? Not really frowned on, just…. not a big deal. Do it by yourself and then post it as your #ootd. If it isn’t a horrible flaming mess nobody really cares that you’re not wearing a matched set or you’re doing striped socks with a floral dress.

>>10062333
>Mana does not have perfectly thin thighs
>neither do I
>existencevalidated.jpg

>>10063134
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>Western lolitas don't actually have the wardrobes and wherewithall to make it work with the activities they do in lolita.
If you have a closet full of weird that you mix and wear on the street, it has a different feel than trying to be avante garde for a single outfit you'll wear to a con.
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>It's generally pretty gauche to be outlandish compared to your group, in places like tea houses and museums at least, and that's where and for what we meet up to do.
Were we all dressing the way we want, going to the same fashion design school, meeting up in some random place before going window shopping, yeah we'd all be dressing less uptight than we do.
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>It's not like in Japan where young art students dressing weird for a few years a piece before they join the workforce is a tried and true part of the culture. There's so many of us spread out and clinging to this fashion despite our ages and social backgrounds, you really can't compare us to them or them to us.
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>Things have changed since these old school wacky glory days, including access to the brands and that's definitely changed our expectations of each other.
Lolita is more accessible than ever, you look like a fool if you pretend you can't afford to dress at peak 'perfection.'
It's still so broad a style than anyone can do it right if they do their homework so we tear into each other if the standard isn't met.

Old school, while I love looking at it, isn't what I call peak lolita. It has it's place in lolita history and modern styling, but I think we all curb our expectations because it's a product of it's time.

>>10063158
>using 'special snowflakes' unironically
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I can't help but picture a 50 yo woman pecking out this reply. Get off my property.

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Oh? What's the new code word now?

>>10060968
the oldschool discord has a lot of resources as well

>>10063175
>>It's generally pretty gauche to be outlandish compared to your group, in places like tea houses and museums at least, and that's where and for what we meet up to do.
>Were we all dressing the way we want, going to the same fashion design school, meeting up in some random place before going window shopping, yeah we'd all be dressing less uptight than we do.
Best comment in the thread.

Just bought this tonight, so excited, it gives me old school feels, reminds me of iw's long op or jm vibes?

>>10063213
Reread the fight club quote where this meme is sourced from and tell me where you went wrong.

Posted as old school, reposted in the ita thread, arguing commenced.
Thoughts or critique? Is it old school? Why or why not?

>>10063693
it is old school, she's experimenting with a two tone tartan pattern with matching blackwhite, the experimentation of it all including the makeup and the new age boots really gives it the classic street fashion vibe that old schools really all about

>>10063693
I don't really like the bonnet but it's old school for sure

>>10063693
She's doing everything proper, the makeup seems a little strong for something that feels a little more everyday, not really a fan of this look but it works.

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I call bs. As well as bs on some of the stuff posted above in this thread even being lolita at all. Just because it’s a bible street snap from a glorious nippon print mook from the past doesn’t mean it’s good old school lolita from the good old days. A lot of that stuff above seems to be either another fashion or formative stuff that was maybe more proto-lolita or loosely street style than established old school lolita fashion.

>>10064104
proto-lolita is still lolita newfag get the fuck out and find a new hobby

>>10064106
you fuck off, the rest of us all have as much if not more access to the old shit as anyone claiming to be ‘old school’ and last I checked no one appointed anyone else the grand fucking Pooh-bah of old school. I wear older pieces regularly but a lot of that shit posted up-thread regarding colorful hair isn’t lolita enough to be worn to a meet now if it even ever was. I call roleplay, or at best, reminiscing because no one should get this bent over some definitions and keep scooping in obviously unrelated shit to further dilute the fashion by supposedly uncovering some primitive-ass stuff and trying to cram it back into the fashion. That’s not respect, it’s delusion.

>>10064104
Newfag

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didn't say it was /good/ old school, jut said that it was old school

>>10063663
Where is this from? it's really cute!

>>10064118
i love how veryone cries roleplayer when you call someone out on their idiocy. You can't just decide things that were lolita then, just aren't magically lolita now because of some magical rules created in the mid 2000s by the english community to stop cat girls from invading the fashion with lace monsters

>>10064183
There are things up-thread that aren’t recognizable as lolita or weren’t even marketed or intended as such. Can you read those captions? Evidently not.
This just feels similar to the people trying to shove otome things back into lolita once that style diverged. Sure you can, but most people aren’t really going to accept it. Maybe it’s a good discussion for a panel with some people who can actually bring facts to bear on the history.

Anyway, I give up, it’s all j-fashion, there’s no good to come of arguing more and so that’s where I’ll say goodnight and Happy Christmas.

>>10064104
To me the photo brings to mind the makeup pages in the lolita bible along with the fashion ads. Again I think the makeup is a little strong and will add the highlighter feels a little modern perhaps going for a doll-like look, but everything else checks out for me. It's fine if you call bs but specifically how is it wrong? I'm interested in hearing your opinion and what you have to say, but if you could provide reference on how it is improper it would make for a more interesting conversation.

>>10062837
Literally don't.

If you can't tell the difference between a foundation garment and a tiered tulle skirt, you're not ready to try a look like this.

Where are people getting their RHS from nowadays?

>>10065876
Secondhand bodyline. I also check the secondhand VW listings, but they often ask €350 for highly damaged ones...

>>10065876
Same as what >>10065885 says plus Taobao shops like an tai na, and smaller shops with BL replica's (with the flower clip).

>>10065885
How can someone buy them used for 350EU? I mean they're ~480EU new. Unless they're in perfect condition, of course.

>>10065962
I don't think people realize they are still available for sale. Plus if you're talking about something like eBay it's a bunch of retarded normie hoarders trying to make a living as resellers

>>10065963
>I don't think people realize they are still available for sale.

This. maybe some colour or version is not currently being sold but heck I would never spend that much on a damaged item i can find for almost the same price in new condition, with box and everything.

>>10063693
>X is such a good mix
>wish I had a comm to play DDR with in lolita

Anyway, does anyone know if the set in pic related was ever released, or if it was a very limited one-off? I've been obsessed with this since I first came across it in scans.

>>10065994
It's an official release without the roses. Popped up earlier this year in ivory.

>>10065968
many of them on the japanese market are over Y60000, you're lucky if you find anything at all under Y20000

>>10066005
Thanks for the info anon! Really want that crown
I'll be on the lookout for a miracle then.

>>10065876
i wish montreal and double decker were still around. i'd kill for comfy RHS for wide feet again.

>>10060126
Why are you namefagging

>>10065876
VW have quite a big sale on right now on a few of the designs (UK shop does anyway), they're about £150 which is quite cheap.

>>10066062
Could you post a link? The only ones I could find are these: https://www.viviennewestwood.com/en/sale/women/buckle-ballerina-red-red-7405000140693H401.html?cgid=women-sale#page=4&start=70

>>10066014
omg anon same, I LOVE Montreal shoes SO much

>>10062842
>>10060126
I need that wig

>>10065876
These actually have the Bodyline logo inside.
>https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=541862900244

For those who want RHs without the long straps.
>https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=541862900244

>>10067256
ugh, sorry, meant to post this for the second link

>https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=45103984930

>>10063693
The coord is old school, the makeup is modern.

What are good keywords to search when looking for old school pieces on Japanese secondhand sites?

>>10071284
I don't think there's any special key words for it, just know what to look for. You can specifically look for Cornet pieces, afaik most if not all of them are appropriate for old school because the brand closed years ago so it's a "safe" bet, but not very easy to find.

>>10071296
I know what kind of things I'm looking for, but I feel like I miss out on a lot due to them being buried in more modern piece search results. Is there a term for "old school" in Japanese? So far I've been trying to find pieces using fabric names or colors and brands, but it yields a lot of items that are unrelated.

>>10071313
There isn't a word for old school
Your best bet is looking by brand

>>10071313
You have to look by brand and maybe garment type (OP, JSK, blouse etc.), there’s no other way. There aren’t that many new items listed every day that you physically can’t look through a few pages to find something old school

What is the specific name of the Demonia shoes everyone uses for old-school?

>>10071403
Don't use them, they look too modern and ugly for old school. I regret buying them so much. That and the straps broke after a few wears

>>10071313
I've seen Midori refer to it as "traditional Lolita" but no-one seems to use that when they list something for sale.

>>10071403
The Dolly-01 or the Kera-08 I think is what you mean? The first have the bump toe on them and the second have a double strap. I don't like the Kera-08 myself, the ridges on the platform and the shape of the platform having more wedge heel makes them look less oldschool to me - the Dolly-01 still has a slight rise, but they do look more doll-like and more suited to oldschool to me

>>10071417
I regret mine too, they were too big despite being the exact size I normally wear... I returned them. Also did not like the look. However, I still like them in other girls coords.

>>10071530
I agree the kera look like shit when worn in old school. they look too modern, and not "chunky" enough if that makes sense, despite the huge platforms. Not dolly enough. I see so many girls wearing them and since I have trouble finding RHS for my big feet, I took the plunge and I hate them so much with my lolita coords. The look is way too off and like the other anon said, mine too broke after a few wears. I fixed them, but I definitely do not recommend them for old school looks at all. Too modern.

>>10071284
unfortunately, there's no one-off term that yields good results. from my experience, it just requires a lot of patience, checking every day, and looking in the right place at the right time. Y!JA turns up some good pieces every now and again

>>10067256
Thank you so much! I've never shopped on taobao but this really makes me want to.

>>10071595
Yeah, they definitely run large by a full size. Mine also kept falling apart.

Ugly cute 2000/2001 meta set! It's currently only at a little over 7000 yen. https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k358415853

>>10072324
>inb4 rainies/gemgem anon comes to bitch at you for posting this

>>10072329
Kek yeah because they're obviously the only ones using yahoo on this board amiright. There's only 7 hours left but I'm sure oldschool anons would be interested.

>>10072332
we all already knew about it but yes keep thinking we don't all actively search the metamorphose tag on all the resale shop sites, i actually do think it was stupid to post here since rainies and gemgem both know about this board, and actively search for items that they know other western lolitas want to own

>>10072372
DESU I don't know how great these would be to scalp so hopefully people are not running to get these for that reason. Two of them are unshirred and I don't know about the jsk. The old unshirred pieces can run big, or are occasionally on the smaller side. This lot would be a risky buy for someone who is average to larger.

Plus the pieces themselves aren't even the best cuts. Rose Gobelin comes in much more attractive cuts. The OP is downright ugly and would only be cute on someone who is objectively cute. The jsk is cute but kind of boring and an ugly colorway

>>10071403
I dont know which specific ones you mean but I just ended up returning a pair of Dollies because the straps basically disintegrated when I tried to take them out of the buckle, so be warned.

>>10072372
Who is "we"? Can you look into the minds of 85 posters itt and even more lurkers? Not everyone stalks second hand daily and rainies and gemgem are 2 of all those people who may or may not see it, let alone bid on it. Calm the fuck down anon.

>>10072386
This, I appreciated seeing the post. If it hadn't ended at such a weird time I gladly would've bid higher than the final price (put in a sniper bid based on what it was worth to me but I could've done $40 more)

How much will it be frowned upon if I make my own replica of an old AP dress? I really love it but chances of me ever finding it are slim

>>10072581
It wouldn't, especially if we're talking about the one that gets frequently posted in DD threads.

>>10072581
It’s fine to reproduce something for personal use. It’s not to sell it

>>10072581
Nah make it, esp if for personal use. Also if you are able to create a nice looking replica I'm envious of your skill.

I'm very sad I missed this, but a velour karami JSK popped up on LM last night. I love Karami JSKs and have had a couple of them, but have never seen a velour version. Does anyone have any info on it? I couldn't find anything on it on lolibrary or searching Google both in English and Japanese. It's weird how it's missing the bottom tier of lace. I'm curious which year it's actually from, it may be a new DD for me.

>>10073556
This anon >>10072411 seems to own the navy colorway, maybe they’ll be able to answer your questions?

>>10062315
love these shoes ugh

>>10073556
Hey anon I'm the seller and the anon in the other thread, I'm pretty sure it came out the same time as the shirring velour op and the shirring tiered jsk, my guess is they did a release between 2008-2009, but you're right, it's an odd piece, the velour itself is pretty stretchy and the drape feels weighted. It's a super dark navy, almost black. The torchon lace on it is super pretty. The straps don't seem to sit quite vertically on the shoulders either, but more wrap around like sleeves.

I'm also selling the shirring velour op on lm too without the neck piece of anyone is interested.

>>10073556
Those shoulder straps look so stretched out, don’t hang dresses with elastic on their straps like this. Especially not the hevier ones...

Does anyone have any recs for a shorter petti?
I wear a lot of oldschool and my modern ones seem to keep poking out of my skirts

>>10081350
I use a diamond honey one that hits just right where the dress hem ends. I believe it was their a-line

>>10081350
I have one of the old 'victoriangirldress' ones. That seller is long gone from ebay as far as I can tell, but it's basically a soft petticoat in a kids' size 10-12 - if you have a look on ebay for 'pettiskirt' there are a few similar ones being sold and if they have full elastic, they should be fine if you can fit in old-school skirts. They are shorter than most lolita petticoats (~35-40cm) which tends to be perfect for most old-school outfits.

>>10065876
i got my aatp rhs secondhand on lacemarket for $60 and in great shape, keep an eye out

I just want some knee-length, torchon lace bloomers. Is that so much to ask?

I can't find any anywhere, except for the occasional odd pair that pops up secondhand and gets snatched up immediately if it's decently priced.

>>10081350
Cut them, moron.

>>10084582
this was me before yesterday

>>10084624
aww, I'm glad that you managed to get something! Mind my asking what it was so I can live vicariously through your triumph?

>>10084582
How much are you trying to pay? I kept seeing them going cheap ($15-20) and missing out so finally just broke down and started buying the $40-50 ones when I found them. Now I have cream and black and just need white

>>10084653
it was literally a pair of btssb peeking bloomers! i actually found a pair for cheap will you drop me a throwaway and i can send the link to you?

Opinions on patent shoes in old school? I feel like I don’t see them very often in street snaps, but when I do I sometimes catch myself thinking they look out of place unless it’s an EGL/gothic coord.

>>10086143
I think they're fine as long as the overall shoe design isn't super modern

If you mix modern stuff with old school stuff, is it ok as long as you don't tag it as old school or do old school gulls get pissed seeing it anyway? I've seen lots of you nitpicking on how some girls wig is wrong for old school and how someone has wrong kind of shoes etc. and now I'm vary posting anything with old school pieces.

>>10087850
Tbh I would just stop caring about someone who will nitpick this hard.

You can coord your clothes however you like, but mistagging creates confusion on what the style actually looks like. If you're not going for an oldschool look that's fine, but tagging it as such implies that you are which is why some gulls nitpick those things.

>>10086143
I freaking love them. Especially with old meta or old moitie.

MAXICIMAM's stuff is so cute it hurts. Why don't people talk about them more?

They've been around since the beginning and a ton of their current stock is perfect for old school.

>>10092972
I love them too. My only problem is that a lot of their stuff is way way too big for me. Their bloomers are precious, though!

>>10092972
Probably most people who fit actual old school find them too big.

>>10092972
Because new MaxicMam is still more expensive then second hand legit old school. I do like some of their stuff, but I’d still rather blow everything on 2-3 oldschool baby or AP then on just one piece from Mam

>>10092983
>>10093032
>>10093363
I've never actually bought from them before; I just found myself looking and longing after a lot of their stock. Glad to hear beforehand that a lot of it runs really large, though.

Do their cutsews run large, too?

>>10093559
They were like the original plus size lolita brand - so t's not so much that they 'run large' it's more that they're 'sized large', particularly compared to most older lolita pieces which are often <84cm bust. It's mostly blouses and dresses that run a bit larger, like their standard dress size is a bit like the half-shirred Meta that will happily go from 88-100+cm bust. I think the cutsews are okay (but of course, check their measurements) as long as you avoid their Lovely sub-brand which is for 100+cm bust.

Does anyone have more from the 80s and early 90s? I don't know which magazine this is, just saw it on tumblr

Also, I know it's very hard to read, but if someone could identify some of these brands that would be great
>>10096670

Here are the other scans from that post
>>10096672

I think 7 from the pink tone pages says Milk and 6 reminds me of JM
>>10096675

>>10093559
their standard stuff is okay, especially if you are tall or on the bigger end but not huge. But watch out for anything marked "lovely size" as it's really huge. the only thing I have gotten that was lovely size were their bloomers because I have quite big hips and wanted something roomy and they are perfect. the waist goes all the way from like.. 65cm to 110cm or something insane and they are super comfy and perfect. A lot of their cutsews are normal sized, they list the cm on CDJapan at least.

>>10062120
used old school is literally so cheap second hand why buy bodyline?

>>10098337
Eeh, not as cheap as BL used to be.

>>10098631
i bought a 2002 metamorphose dress for 20 dollars secondhand on the western market

>>10098636
That dress was 18 euros with free shipping tho

>>10098640
Bodyline's quality is a million times worse than brand, not sure what your point is.

>>10098642
ikr, but >>10098337 seemed to imply buying secondhand brand is cheaper than BL or on par, which is not.

>>10098646
I dunno about you but the 2nd hand I have bought has been cheaper than bodyline quite often. I have bought brand dresses in great condition for 20-30 dollars. I have always been disappointed with my bodyline purchases. Even if the cost of a 2nd hand brand piece is double a new bodyline piece, it is leagues better qualitywise and I have yet to be disappointed by the construction or material choices.

Any recommendations for decent mini-crowns and mini-hats that aren't just stalk the second hand market?

>>10096670
These remind me of the neo lolita trend from 2 years ago

>>10103211
Get crafty.

>>10103601

>>10103603

>>10103607

>>10098878
seconding,
I have at least 5 brand main pieces that were cheaper than my first bodyline dress.

the only thing I'd recommend buying from them for oldschool are their headdresses, those don't pop up for good prices all that often in the secondhand market

Does anybody here own Metas dolly cotton bloomers and can review them?

>>10104302
What's a good price for a headdress? I have one from Victorian Maiden that I bought in-store about 15 years ago and never used, not even once. I wasn't really into lolita at that time and just wanted to buy "something". No idea how to price it. I'm a budget lolita though so I don't just want to give it away.

>>10104477
nayrt but i never spend more than 25 on headdresses and never more than 40 on a bonnet (im about to buy a bonnet for 50 but only bc i can't find another like it)

>>10104335
I do not, but I have a bunch of other bloomers from meta, some purchased from the brand, others 2nd hand, and they are all really nice. I can't imagine the dolly cotton ones being any different. The most recent pair I ordered from the brand was this last summer, and it was their long raschel lace bloomers. I also got the dolly cotton release wristcuffs in both black and white. the lace on the wristcuffs is great, and looks to be similar to what is used on the bloomers, so I don't think you have to worry about that. As for the construction/materials on the raschel lace bloomers, great as always. I actually have a fat ass and the waistband stretches quite far. bloomers fit really well. they are also quite long, and I am 5'10" and they go below my knees. They are great bloomers, and it always feels bad to buy 90$ underwear, but they are great and I love buying from meta.

>>10104477
$20ish is pretty standard.

I feel like I've lived a lie.
For 6 years I was exclusively into Moitie.
I've always only worn black, I love Visual Kei, I'm very tall and not into anything overly cutesy, so I thought it was perfect for me.
However, recently while looking through old GLBs I also paid attention to other brands and realized just how much I love old Baby, Meta, Victorian Maiden and especially AP. I couldn't care less about their newer releases, too sweet for me, but all those early 2000s white, red or floral dresses (country lolita?) are the most perfect thing I've ever seen.
My love for Mana really blinded me lol

See picture: My dream dress. Just looking at it makes me happy...

>>10105060
You can and should wear what makes you happy, anon. Adding lighter colored main pieces to your wardrobe might be a bit of a challenge if it's all black, but you can do it with some patience. You'll be just as beautiful as always if you wear Moitie one day and Baby in the next.

>>10105060
Meta has long bloomers perfect for tall lolitas! Old school looks best with peeking bloomers, i say go for it anon! we always need more old school lolitas

>>10105060
Mana is a cunt anyways be free and live your truth

>>10105060
Damn Anon, are you me? I'm a Moitiefag as well, but lowkey adore oldschool. I tried to make myself a mini-wardrobe of oldschool stuff (Baby and Meta for me though, not AP) but it just didn't work out, the colors and themes just weren't working on me. So I ended up settling for a handful of oldschool pieces that made me truly happy and could work with my existing gothic wardrobe. Do what makes you happy Anon, that's what this fashion is about.

>>10105108
>>10105112
>>10105143
>>10105159
Thanks for the lovely replies!

>Mana is a cunt
?

>the colors and themes just weren't working on me
That's what I worry about the most, that it just won't suit me at all. I've never worn anything remotely sweet.

>>10105276
Maybe have a look at the tallita thread then? There's actually a couple of decent looking sweet outfits on tall girls in there (ignore the confused anons who posted average height skinny girls in short dresses).