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Previous thread >>10025996

Because the old thread hit sage a while ago.

>> No.10056887
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10056887

>>10056884
>meant to call thread Happy Edition when I realised the people in pic were celebrating, not yelling
>forgot to change name
>tfw now we are shouty thread instead of wholesome thread

>> No.10056896

>>10056887
it was always a shouty thread anon

>> No.10056899

>>10056896
Sad but true. Guess it was meant to be.

>> No.10056902

Some newfag made this shitty thread >>10056858 but it got me thinking about my own reffing and running experiences. Wondering if we have any other game runners here.
>Have you ever run or help run a larp? If so, what sort and in what country/vague area?
>How did you get started?
>What part was easiest or most fun to do?
>What was hardest? What was a personal hurdle you had to get over?
>Did your players and crew think you did or are doing a good job?
>Honestly, are you good at running games? What bit are you best at?
>What advice would you give to a larper who is considering joining a pre-existing ref team or writing their own game?

>> No.10056918

>>10056887
HEY C'MON ANON
PlEASE DON'T BE SAD
WE COULD SHOUT WHOLESOME THINGS ABOUT HOW HAPPY WE ARE

I GENUINELY LOVE YOU AND HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY

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>>10056887
Well, I could always dump my "babes in armour" folder here and have the thread deleted by mods, then you could make a holiday edition instead?

I don't deserve a ban free life anyway.

>> No.10057268

>>10056918
THANK YOU ANON, I LOVE YOU TOO AND HOPE YOU HAD A GREAT DAY

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People who focus or do the 'theatrical fighting'/showfighting, where do you take inspiration for moves or how do you train to be better in that aspect?

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>>10057268
>>10056918

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>>10057166
that won't get you banned otherwise most of us would have been banned ages ago

>> No.10057529

I went to a really good game last weekend and my feels still haven't recovered.

>> No.10057874

>>10057491
Not talking about my "dames in armour" folder here mate :^)

>> No.10058381

>>10057874
I'm not sure your folder would have armor in it

>> No.10058631

>>10058381
Ohh but it does

>> No.10058661

>>10056884
Is anyone here familiar with being a part of the cast of a renaissance faire or LARP? I have the opportunity and I am so interested but I have found there is almost no information about this. Lots of information of visiting or picking a character etc but nothing about being a part of the cast the first time, how to prepare, etc. PLEASE HALP!

>> No.10058663

>>10058661
First of all, talk to your orgs.They'll (or should be) more than willing to help with that!
Otherwise, it kind of depends on the Renfaire/LARP and your role in it. Wanna tell us about the one you wanna join to?

>>10057300
Check out the Blood&Iron's "Flashy HEMA techniques" series. I don't know many movies or games that'll help though, maybe Soul Calibur if you wanna go extra weeb

>> No.10058675

>>10058663
Yes, it is a faire that is based around the 15th century. A large number of the group that makes up the cast is also the cast of different LARP events around my area, so if you get in with them, then you can basically be a part of any of those events. My spouse and I became friends with several cast members and they introduced us to the group. Everyone was so welcoming and was asking us to audition for the cast next year because we all got along so well. But to be completely honest. I don't want to bother them with asking about all the details of being on the cast. I feel like it is my responsibility to be prepared if that makes sense.

>> No.10058706

>>10058675
It does make sense, I can understand your worries. However, do keep in mind that letting them explain that stuff to you could be fun for them as well, let alone a minor bonding experience of some sort. Also, do keep in mind that even if it WAS uncomfortable for them (Which I doubt), it's a thousand times better than having to explain you what to do on site, when there's the pressure of work etc. I doubt anyone assumes you'll just know everything yourself by the first time.
If you want to feel like you did your best to prevent the oh-so-inconvenient matter, make a list of questions in advance and, assuming you're friends with them on some level now, make it seem pretty casual, don't over-apologize it, and thank them for their time. You can bring up the fact you're nervous, so they'll emphasize you. Like, they've all started knowing nothing, so they'll understand you.

Last, but not least - Make sure you actually enjoy the process. It's what we're here for.

>> No.10058899

>>10058706
This was great advice. Thank you! It really helped me.

>> No.10059177

>>10058899
<3
Sure thing anon
We are in the happy wholesome edition, after all

>> No.10060729

So, what are people's current projects for off-season?
I'm working on a brigandine and pleated gown myself

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>>10060729
I had cut some cheap repro kote in half and made han kote and suneate out of them. They have been lacquered gold and look much better than before. That aside i have also sewn fur to my tosei gusoku to dress it up a bit and that also turned out well.

>> No.10061857

>get told to stop bandaging up an arm and just tap the shoulder for 'interaction' when using the first aid skill like everyone else does because it's "annoying"
fuck american larps

>> No.10061980

>>10061857
Damn, they'd hate my needle and thread surgical healing

>> No.10062047

>>10060729
Overhauling my whole harness. I haven't fought in almost a whole year, and everything is going to need to need some TLC.

>>10060857
10/10 weeb kit. Good on you for doing the proper maille pattern too. Did they already have the embossing?

>>10061857
The fuck? Which game? If you're not using magic, having bloody bandage and such is awesome, immersive rep prop.

>> No.10062087

What's the best way to maintain steel plate and keep it rust free? I'm a larper so it doesn't have to be period-appropriate, I don't care for shiny or mirror finishes, I just feel like my current strategy isn't as effective as it could be.
>bonus points for products I can get in the UK

>> No.10062427

>>10062087
Paste wax. Like you'd use for a car.

>> No.10062429

>>10062087
Or paint.

>> No.10062450

>>10060729
Cleaning out my closet first hand, gonna move next year and I wont have room for a whole closet of larping props. Got a bunch of kettles, copper pots, worn bags, gambesons that are to small.

So far I've managed to sell zero items.

Otherwise I have a new leather bag project and some finishing touches that needs to be made on my new jacket. Got a bunch of comments on my civilian gear this year so I've got some motivation to go all out /his/ on that set.

>> No.10062478

>>10062450
If you haven't sold anything after a while, honestly I just have to assume you're just asking too much for it. Larpers will buy any old junk if it's cheap enough.

>> No.10062483

>>10062478
The €3 copper kettle I put up didn't even get any interest.

And admittedly, I didn't put up the unusable stuff there. The bags are going in the garbage.

I think december is a crap time to sell larp stuff, unless its something that is suitable for gifting away. Better wait for february when people have money/time and start prepping for the season.

>> No.10062623

>>10062427
Not that Anon, but I feel like a tard for not thinking of that.

>> No.10063759

>>10061857
Every time I encounter a local LARPscene drama, which we really have plenty of, I stop and remind myself that at least we're not the American scene.

How come all those who are upset by the low standard gather to raise their own game?

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Merry Christmas you nerds!

>>10062623
Don't be hard on yourself. Most people expect some crazy or expensive treatment and tend to overlook the obvious.

>>10063759
We have. We get labeled elitists and get shit-talked because we're "too hardcore" and "non-inclusive".

>> No.10063969

What's the best larp you went to this year or an awesome moment from a good one?

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>>10063969
Been so busy with work, I haven't been to a LARP or historic event all year :(

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>>10063969
drachenfest and the best moment from it was the midnight """training exercise""" at the triumvirate camp I think? (or maybe it was silver, dunno, it was dark)

Also got a new book for christmas and already planning my next LK kit, though not sure when will I have the money to actually buy the materials

>> No.10063986

>>10063969
Got to shout defiance into a big bad's face, which got cheers from a crowd, before I was slain, which sparked a new fighting spirit among the players.

>> No.10063988

>>10063970
but don't you work at a living history museum sort of place?

>> No.10064031

>>10063969
Not all that great of a story when written down, but it was super intense in the heat of the moment. Also by far the most emotional piece of roleplaying I ever did:
>About a month ago
>Thirty-player larp, about four hours long
>Setting is a modern nursing home, characters are all written and assigned by the ST's, most characters are elderly
>I say most, because there's a few sorry players that play the staff of the nursing home
>Including me: the replacement head nurse, since the old one quit about a week ago
>Only twenty-something years old, idealistic, and wholly unprepared for all the shit that laid ahead of me

>About three hours in, the character had a complete mental breakdown.
>In those last three hours, he had had trouble with upper management (budget cuts), angry patients (medicine shortage), the police (a patient that got violent), the national intelligence agency (one of the patients was "ex"-mafia), a foreign nursing home (they accidentally sent the wrong patient over), <some inspection agency I can't translate> (a dozen health and safety complaints), and patients breaking into his office (to look into the financial records I'd have shown them had they just asked).
>He had been forced to fight off a violent patient twice, and had had his competence questioned about a dozen times more.
>The last time that happened, I just sat down on the floor and started sobbing to myself.
Of course, it got even worse.

<cont.>

>> No.10064034

>>10064031
>Having picked myself up, I walked back into the main room, only to see the guy from <inspection agency> trying to create an honest-to-god rebellion among the elderly
>Fortunately, even after all that went down, the patients were still on the side of the staff
>I was too tired to deal with this shit again
>I walked into the back of the crowd, ducked a bit, and shouted "disgraceful!"
>Ripples of dissatisfaction surged through the crowd, which ended with people shouting "get him!" and "deck him!", rushing forward as fast as crippled elderly people can
>Of course, I rushed forward to calm down the mob I had just created and pretend I wanted to stop them
>I shouted "Nobody is getting decked here!"
Of course, that was the exact moment one of the characters had a heart attack.

<cont.>

>> No.10064039

>>10064034
>For a brief moment everyone is stunned
>Everyone but me, that is, because I actually know how to perform reanimation OoC
>I start ordering everyone around according to genuine procedure
>One staff member is calling emergency services
>Another is running to get a defibrillator
>Three more are calming down the other patients and holding them at a distance
>I'm on the floor with the unconscious patient, performing chest compressions and mouth-to-mouth as best as I can without it becoming too awkward for the player laying there
>The staff member comes running back with two plug boxes plugged into each other (God knows where he got those from)
>Uses it as an AED to administers shocks, takes over reanimation
>We take turns reanimating until emergency services arrive, take over, and ultimately proclaim him dead
>I slump down and start crying
>Two staff members drag me up and carry me off

It was by far the most intense roleplaying I was ever involved in, and at that moment, I have to admit the crying wasn't only acting. It's seriously intense to have someone die on you like that, even after you did all you can to save them.

It also was really damn good practice, should I ever have to reanimate someone in real life. No training truly compares you for something like that, but this was as close as it's going to get.

I've got another story from that larp (a bit shorter), if anyone's interested.

>> No.10064062

>>10063964
I sure hope that doesn't stop you!

>>10063977
I was almost certain you had a woman.
And that they don't do that kind of stuff in Drachenfest.

>>10063969
Best one is probably a Polish LARP-Festival.
It's the second year I play my character, who got gained the reputation of a very skilled swordsman (Mostly due to me spending way too much time on swordfight training, and some opportunities to show it). So I decided that to pass time, I'll stay in the game's arena whenever I'm bored and offer combat lessons. It fits the character and all, so why not? They were free, but some still bought me a beer or payed with in-game currency and such. Some new guy got pretty enthusiastic about the whole deal, constantly asking me for more training and telling me proud tales of how he survived attacks and riots using what I taught him, whenever he saw me out of the arena.

At some point, while I was teaching a small group, this huge dude with a sword and strange kit passed through the arena. Like I do with most people, I kindly offered him to join us for a lesson/sparring.
He just looked at me straight in the eye and said "I'll kill you."
Being the cowardly little shit that I am, I came up with a plan: I'll let enthusiasm-boy fight him first. If I see he's some sort of undefeatable prodigy, I'll leave him be unless he pursues combat with me. If he's okay-ish but isn't Arthur Dayne incarnate, I'll duel him myself, stab the ego out of him and then offer him some tips in the kindest way possible.
So the two start the fight, while I go back to teaching the rest of the group. I notice that he fights weird and kind of wrong, so I just tell myself I'll see what's up in like 30 seconds or so. And when I did,
The guy I was teaching knocked the sword out of his hand, pointed his own sword at the big guy's chest, and takes two steps back.
And in this point I saw on enthusiasmboy's that this moment made his game, just like it did mine.

>> No.10064072

>>10063988
He does. I'm guessing he doesn't count it because it's work.

>> No.10064388

>>10064062
>I was almost certain you had a woman.
>And that they don't do that kind of stuff in Drachenfest.
I give you points for creativity but it was a midnight siege

>> No.10064415

>>10064039
This LARP sounds really fucking awesome, and pal you sound like a great player with a good story. What was it called and who organised it?

>> No.10064486

>>10064415
Names aren't going to tell you much, I'm afraid. The roleplaying association of my university has one-shot larps twice a year. Next time, it's going to be something completely different again, with different ST's too.

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i'm curious, What is the absolute best Garb (or armor) you've ever seen! Online, In pictures, or in person! It could be of any class, be it elven, monster, historical or high fantasy! Nothing sup-par! Only Kits you think could actually be in an A-list movie, or kits which took massive amounts of time and dedication.

Pictures would be preferred, but descriptions are welcome too!
(here's a photo of one of the best I've run across!)

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>>10065513
But that's like... a pretty good 13th maybe early 14th kit? Is this really "the best' category?

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>>10065513

>> No.10065588

>>10062450
post them here maybe? all the lolitas post their stuff for sale on here, I don't see why larp stuff couldn't be sold in the larp thread (as long as it stays within reasonable bounds)

I'm in a weird country where larp and boffer fighting have split from each other almost completely, so this isn't maybe 100% relevant to larp thread, but I went to my first proper boffer training some weeks ago and it was *so* much fun, I've been practically jumping up and down waiting for the next time. I'll probably go to an event in the summer, so I'll come here to hype about costumes and ask about suitable helmets before that!!

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>>10065588
Isn't that in most countries which aren't the USA?

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>>10065540
Thats Dr.Joe Metz, a very respected member of the whole american medieval reenactment scene.

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>>10065513
I have pic of several wonderful stuff and seen a lot too, but this couple I've actually met in the LKL, seen the kit in person and ALSO have a good pic of it.
If you look closer you can see that the girls cloth is partly made out of brocade

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Dropping by to share this find on AliExpress that might interest some of you. Period looking trims for .99 for five yards. Likely synthetic fibers but they don't look too shiney.

I'll be going for hand woven trim when I get time to make more historical clothing but not everyone is into that so maybe helpful?

>> No.10066462 [DELETED] 

>>10066457
And I continue to be forgetful as always. Maybe a link would be helpful.

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32838822733.html?trace=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail&productId=32838822733&productSubject=32838822733&tt=Copy+to+clipboard&aff_platform=default&cpt=1546059891405&sk=bNiz7sqk&aff_trace_key=b3c0ce2469e24914b0dd16dc399a508c-1546059891405-08177-bNiz7sqk&terminal_id=f7b1822c8fe54ce08abe2ab3710c7b2a

>> No.10066475

Dropping by to share this find on AliExpress that might interest some of you. Period looking trims for .99 for five yards. Likely synthetic fibers but they don't look super shiney.

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32838822733.html?trace=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail&productId=32838822733&productSubject=32838822733&tt=Copy+to+clipboard&aff_platform=default&cpt=1546059891405&sk=bNiz7sqk&aff_trace_key=b3c0ce2469e24914b0dd16dc399a508c-1546059891405-08177-bNiz7sqk&terminal_id=f7b1822c8fe54ce08abe2ab3710c7b2a

Unfortunately it looks like the wider trim is not available or sold out? You might be able to find more with some searching.

I'll be going for hand woven trim when I get time to make more historical clothing but not everyone is into that so maybe helpful?

>> No.10067656

>guy got in OOG trouble for pretending to be a healer because it was causing trouble mechanically (people were coming back with full hp and all that jazz despite not being cured)
>his defense was "well, I never used the mechanical terms or abilities, I just did some fake medical shit and said people were fully restored, and they started acting like they were good to go"
Should he be punished out of game if he never actually used things he couldn't have, and people just fell for his stuff on their own?

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>>10067656
>Should he be punished out of game if he never actually used things he couldn't have, and people just fell for his stuff on their own?

>> No.10067706

>>10067656
Maybe. Intentionally misleading players, not characters, that they were healed is a dick move. Since the inuries are invisible and intangible it is a lot easier to convince Dave the newbie that he has full hp than Crognard the Barbarian who still has 37 stab wounds to the chest.

Snakeoil salesmen and quacks can be great characters, but the onus is on the player to prevent mechanical confusion. Hiding behind semantics is not a defense, especially not when it became apparent players mistook the quackery for legitimate hp restoration. That would have been the time to stop and have a quiet chat with a ref.

>> No.10068239

>>10067656
Yes; If he does go for the 'fake healing stuff', he should go OOC for a moment and say it wasn't truly effective.

>> No.10069999

>>10067656

If he isn't clarifying that they weren't healed in game, yea that's on him. There's nothing wrong with playing a fake healer, but it's on them to correct any confusion on the part of the other players.

He was obviously aware that people thought they were being healed IC and getting their wounds/HP/whatever back but he didn't stop to correct them. That's 100% on him not "people just falling for his stuff on their own."

>> No.10070669

>>10067706
>>10068239
>>10069999
I'll admit that telling everyone to their face isn't always an option. Metagaming is a legitimate thing to be afraid of, especially in a character that survives of keeping something not known to the larger playerbase. However, even in this case, the least he should have done is get a ST to inform the player their ailments aren't actually cured.

In a more general perspective, "pretending to do" anything in larp is a dick move. Healing, being dead/injured, cast a spell, whatever. Bound to cause OoC bad feels because people can't tell the difference between IC pretending and OoC pretending.

>> No.10071942

>>10065800
not as far as I know, where I'm from boffer pretty much only ever happens as part of some certain larps. we also have a lot of non-combat larps though, so it's generally not super common, hence why it's new to me that there's an actual scene of people doing boffer stuff

>>10066239
that is actually gorgeous, I'm incredibly impressed especially by the girl

>> No.10071949

I wanted to do Dagorhir when I was like, 13, but my parents told me no. I'm kinda happy I didn't go.

>> No.10072016

>>10071949
Yeah, I've heard too many stories of young aspiring larpers (13-16ish) whose interest in larping was killed by restrictive parents. Almost had it happen to myself, too.

I admit having kids running around isn't always ideal for adult participants, but I think it's good to start off their interest in larping from an early age. Especially since kids tend to have more free time to learn stuff like sewing than young adults.

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>>10072016
>Especially since kids tend to have more free time to learn stuff like sewing than young adults.

Glad my school system requires you to pick up both sewing and workshop classes. And cooking/baking. When I started crafting for larps I didn't have to start from square one with techniques and machinery applications.

Not that I'm particularly good at any of those though. I wish my sewing was better, but I still beat 95% of the larp population so its not like it matters that much when I cut corners a bit.

>> No.10072152

>>10072061
>Glad my school system requires you to pick up both sewing and workshop classes.
Better luck than me. I've had some very basic wood, plastic and metalwork, but never sewing. Or cooking for that matter. Kind of a shame really. Would've preferred that as an alternative to the soulless music classes that boiled down to "keep 75% of the kids busy with glockenspiels while the ones actually interested in music do their thing" or "art" classes that didn't actually teach any skills. What country?

I know some very basic sewing taught by some costuming enthusiasts of my local university roleplaying association, but not enough to make my own costumes. Like I said, I unfortunately don't have the free time I used to have as a kid to learn how to make my own stuff (and then make it).

>> No.10072218

>>10072152
Sweden, though it is mostly just basic stuff you do in any class throughout elementary school and then through eight and ninth grade you get to pick between sewing or workshop for some more advanced stuff. Unfortunately the advanced stage was the part about making clothes in the sewing class (while workshop went on to "metal smithing", literally).

The thing I suck at is sizing, and I cant go free form without fucking up some part, which is a real shame because I have a dedicated sewing room at home with a decent machine in it.

>I know some very basic sewing taught by some costuming enthusiasts of my local university roleplaying association, but not enough to make my own costumes. Like I said, I unfortunately don't have the free time I used to have as a kid to learn how to make my own stuff (and then make it).

I'm planning on taking some sewing course later this year, I recommend you do the same. Free time is mostly about how you spend it.

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>>10056884
Sup larptread,

I have this nice and lovely set of armour, which despite my not-all-too-dedicated efforts to keep it clean has started to develop some rust after two years. It's nothing serious, just rust spots on scratches and in crevices. I heard tossing it in cola will clean away the rust. However, half the pieces of armour have leather straps attached, and the helmet has a cloth padding on the inside. How bad is it for these pieces to be soaked in cola? I'm not afraid of discolouration, but I would prefer my helmet not to be sticky and smell of cola forever.

Pic obviously not mine.

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>>10072537
Embrace the paint instead.

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>>10072830
Blackened armour isn't painted though. Nor is lining it with messing or gold.

>> No.10073441

>>10072830
Well, sure, but that's not gonna help me right now.

>> No.10073455

>>10073439
>Blackened armour isn't painted though
depends on the blackening though I admit that one on the pic isn't paint

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>>10073439
>>10073455
Among the 5849 images I have in my various larp folders, I only have three images with definitive painted armor.

But those would just leave another issue open for debate; whether or not its actual plate or 3d printed/molded. I blame you guys for not posts enough variety, hungarian is the only one who dumps anything here worth saving.

>> No.10074571

>>10074564
If I remember it then I will post a few painted armors tomorrow. Larp ones but I have a few originals too (though those are in bad shape)

>> No.10074607

>>10072537
Guys, please. Just tell me how to get the fucking rust off and I promise I'll be a good boy and paint my armour.

>> No.10074689

>>10074607
If its not all to pompous armor then just buy stain remover from your local hardware shop.

Otherwise you can google your way to any type of rust removal treatments. As well as polishing/preventative maintenance to shine that shit up and give some protection.

>> No.10075005

>>10074564
A lot of the black sallets were painted, which are a good soure. I recall some other small things as well, but I have no clue where I saw those. Think it was late 100 years war.

>> No.10075026

Where you at Gropey?

>> No.10075114

>>10074607
various acids (for example phosphoric acid like ro55) and scrubbing (preferably with rubber glove included) or just sandpaper and rubbing.
vinegar and baking soda might help too but I never tried that one. same with the mentioned cole plus toothbrush scrubbing.

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I have a little time so as I promised I post a few painted armour.

A little foreword is that painting just one of the many posibilities, and there are a lot of different way to paint armours also, different kind of paints obviously.

What is clear to me as far as my knowledge goes in this that painted helmets were way more common than any other kind of painted armour. BUT there are a shitton of breastplates that MIGHT been painted but we doesn't know for sure because of all the scrubbing and cleaning to make it a "shining armor"

Also my own guess (so by no means the truth) is that painting was cheaper and easier than all the gliding, blueing, etching and various other means to decorate armour so it would be used in the less pricy ones but above the munitions grade stuff.
Blackening and black paint is kind of an exception to this as it can be seen in both on high and low grade stuff, though the reason behind this might be that those where less scrubbed by morons. Probably we will never know.

Anyway, example of surviving breastplate with paint

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anyway, lets see some painted armours in larps because it's a larp thread

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>> No.10075576

>>10075278
>>10075279
>>10075285
>>10075288
>>10075289
>>10075290
>>10075293
>>10075294
>>10075295
>>10075296
>>10075297
Mah nigga, hungarian delivers again!

Be sure to tell that bearded guy with a skeleton and dancing bear on his plate that it looks dope.

>Also my own guess (so by no means the truth) is that painting was cheaper and easier than all the gliding, blueing, etching and various other means to decorate armour so it would be used in the less pricy ones but above the munitions grade stuff.
>Blackening and black paint is kind of an exception to this as it can be seen in both on high and low grade stuff, though the reason behind this might be that those where less scrubbed by morons. Probably we will never know.

So basically the same reasons as today?

I think paint and blackening are less of a hassle than maintaining untreated armor to keep away rust. At least based on my experiences, I've seen new helmets get totally reck'd with rust after a single event yet my blackened kettle helmet is only just now getting any noticeable spots of rust after five years of larping.

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>>10075285
Seems like they repainted it not too long ago.

>> No.10075820

>>10075576
well paint's first function is obviously protecting from rust, and you can make black paint that sticks to metal piss cheap.
I black painted my own armour with basically just linseed oil and a very fine coal powder mixture. but nearly any plant oil can be used and also charchoal too instead of coal.
Obviously the oil part is the expensive one in ye olden times but it needs surprisingly little.
That said you need to repaint it every year or twice a year depending on useage and storage.

but you can find similar stuff outside of europe, especially around asia, where there is a very humid environtment. Like how nearly every steel armour was lacquer in japan (and that's one of the reason people think it's made out of wood/bamboo) so the constant humidity won't eat it away.

But obviosuly if you have the money you want your stuff to look nice so you can hire someone to paint nice things on it and make it colorful depending on the current fashion and your taste or lack of

>> No.10075864

>>10075584
Maybe it's just due to the picture quality of the first picture, but that looks like a really shitty restoration.

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>>10075864
the second pic has very bad light to it.

This one is slightly better but still not perfect.

>> No.10076294

>>10075289
Yo hol' up
You're saying that is a real helmet that was used in battle/ceremonial purposes, some point pre-17th century, for real?

>> No.10076653

>>10076294
as far as I know yes, and somewhere between 1490 and 1510 probably south german.
And it's kind of unlikely that any black sallet would be ceremonial as a lot of them where on the cheap and crude spectrum among helmets (though that doesn't exclude the possibility)

>> No.10076693

>>10076653
Damn, thanks for all the details! Your knowledge is really impressive.

Its design fucking kills me though. Whose helmet was this, Guy Fiore?

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>>10076693
I have no info on it, and the guy who catalogued it has no clue either.

But probably it wasn't a very rich guy here is a bigger picture (although the lights are different, etc)
You can see how it's a rather crude design, edges unrolled and stuff like that. I would say the craftsmanship in it is somewhere around mid tier if we count the painting too.

>> No.10076825

>>10076699
AFAIK the painting is usually done on black sallets as to not actually have to do any real work on the end coat. So the edges are most likely unrolled etc because it's next to munitions grade armour.

>> No.10076888

>>10063970
I'd love to do a colonial larp in a living history museum space.

>> No.10077053

>>10076825
yep I already pointed that out, although it's worth mentioning that it isn't true for all black sallets, especially the cavalry versions. I mean if you already own a horse and cavalry armour you probably have the money to afford better craftsmenship.
And there are a few better made foot version here and there but those are kind of rare

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>>10072537
>>10074607
Jesus christ! That was probably a nice SCA helmet, but I don't know if it would have any metal left under that rust.

It might be worth your money to take it to a professional rust removal facility if you have emotional attachment to the helm. It might also be cheaper to buy new. Sorry.

>>10075026
Im here. Just not doing great.

>>10075576
>>10076294
Yes, its near universally accepted by scholars from period writings and material culture to be a go-to form of cheap surface protection and beautification.

>>10076888
We have a lot of places to play here in the first British colony.

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>>10077958

>> No.10077992

>>10077956
>Jesus christ! That was probably a nice SCA helmet, but I don't know if it would have any metal left under that rust.
Don't worry, it's not mine. It's just the fourth or so google result for "rusty helmet". Mine just has moderate stains in difficult-to-reach spots.

>> No.10078004

>>10077992
Fine emery cloth, followed by commercial polishing paste.

>> No.10078035

>>10077956
What's wrong Gropalope?

>> No.10078210

>>10078035
Got laid off, and the gov shutdown is directly affecting my otherwise backup finances.

>> No.10078308

>>10078210
Ouch. Sorry clown bro.

>> No.10078437

>>10078210
Sucks man, hope the shutdown ends soon.

>> No.10078441

>>10078210
Is your state's unemployment tied to the fed shutdown?

>> No.10078548

>>10078441
He lives in VA so probably.

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/tg/ brought me here
My garb is hanging to dry after a wash.
Putting away my pile of weapons now.
Always wondered what happened to larp threads on /tg/

>> No.10079033

>>10078308
>>10078437
Thanks.

>>10078441
>>10078548
Yes, as well as another check I am supposed to get from uncle sam.

>>10079027
Welcome! Love your rapier, whos the maker? Got a pic of you in your kit?

>> No.10079034

>>10060729
Off-season? I just got done doing an event in the snow.

>> No.10079041

>>10079033
The rapier is calimacil.
Shit I just realized my pics with me in garb are on the old phone I just traded in for a new one. I'll get new pics this Saturday.

>> No.10079262

Trying out Dammerung in a couple of months down in PA. Has anyone heard anything on whether or not it's American shit?

>> No.10079270

>>10062087
Beeswax is very good as well as old school.

Some people use cooking spray oil on plate to make it slippery so glancing blows slide off better.

>>10072537 apply white vinegar with a small brush repeatedly, buff with steel wool. Coat it and the leather bits with beeswax

>>10079027
Interesting bow, would like to know about it.

Nice to see that Gropey is still around.

>> No.10079408

>>10079270
It's from seven meadows archery in Tacoma. It was supposed to be a 40 pound bow but due to manufacturer error it only draws 28 pounds. Good bow. I can get more pictures later today.

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>>10079270
I never left. Life has just been busy.

Speaking of which, I'm gearing up for my first excursion of the year. Getting a little /LARP/his/out/ since funds are tight, but nature is free and winter hiking is best. Doing it in historic kit of course

Got off my ass and made myself a new knapsack. The brownish one on the right is a brand new, unused, Russian drill knapsack. The bleached one on the right is also a drill knapsack that's over five years old and starting to die on me. With regular use and washings, it'll eventually look like that.

Who else here likes LARPing /out/?

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>>10079993
And the straps

>> No.10080110

>>10079993
Currently planning a 13th century 2-day hike down an old pelgrim's route with a few friends. Waiting for better weather though.

>> No.10080374

There was a guy here from i think sudan, but maybe somewhere else, who said he may be coming to germany this year. Do you still lurk here, i said you could maybe join me an my group but now im in also in a Embassy that's there to provide foreigners a starting point to play. If you are here you know who you are, if youre interested hit me up.

>> No.10080376

>>10076699
can you get good black sallets somewhere?

>> No.10080406

>>10080376
me? yes, and kind of cheap if I'm willing to wait a year or two. Others have to find their own blacksmith

>> No.10080549

>>10080374
Conquest? Drachenfest? Permanent stay? Truck-tour of Christmas markets?

What's he coming for?

>> No.10080644

>>10080549
He sayed that he was moving to the us but wa staying in Germany for a Year i think. I remember that he at first wanted to know if he would be accepted here and what he could play and then people talked aboht african sword fighting. Was before Oktober, idk know much else anymore, i also don't know the events ge wanted to attend but probably the big ones.

>> No.10080653

>>10079262
I've heard good things, but I'm biased because I know several of the folks running it. Gives me a good chance to get some extra mileage out of my Rus SCA stuff.

>> No.10080661

Is chainmail actually as horrible to wear for long periods of time like everyone says? I saw some people also make a chainmail look alike using soda can tabs linked together, but I don't know how that'll look in person. It probably looks good at a distance, but I also wonder how well it holds together.

>> No.10080781

>>10080661
>Is chainmail actually as horrible to wear for long periods of time like everyone says?
I've wore shortened chainmail for three days in a row several times, not taking it off even for sleep. It's not that bad, you can used to it.

Although the soda can tabs version is shit and if you make one you will be shittalked, reported, saged, swatted and reported as a terrorist

>> No.10080812

>>10056884
I'm trying to make a stone golem out of polyethylene foam, contact cement and sheer willpower. I've built a torso that covers everything from shoulder to waist (except forearms, I'll be attaching those after sunrise) and still take off with the velcro in the back, gloves that give me enough grip to fight without giving up too much for looks, and I've got an idea for a helmet, might look something like the head of a soldier. Only problem I'm having now is building pants entirely out of foam. Now I've already built a sort of foam 'thong' that I'll be attaching foam legs to by cutting out a spot on the thigh side exactly corresponding with the thong, and maybe even putting on a fake stone 'foot' that could cover any boots I throw on.

How the fuck do I make pants out of foam? Any advice on this whole thing?

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>>10080812
get workpants, the ones with straps over the shoulder and build the legs around that

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>>10080813
that's a whole lot fucking easier than I was planning. I guess I won't be gluing a pair of suspenders into the foam and hoping it worked.

I've seen that particular golem before, but not that photo. I wish I could make something that looked so connected and fluid.

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>>10080816
well the one I posted is not a great one. It's basically made from not that good material and the joints are mostly non existent so it's hard to move in it and also hot as hell. But on the upside the guys who ordered it thrown a lot of money out of the window for it

>> No.10081331

>>10080823
That was YOU? Holy shit, nice work.
Any advice for what to do to make more mobile joints?

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>>10081331
it wasn't me, I just know the guys who made it and been in their larps, got kind of an organizer status there through the years.

Anyway the problem with their golem is that the "joints" were just solid foam cut into shape. So the whole mobility was depending on the foam. And they used the kind of very soft foam that is used for beds, which is while cheap and lighter and whatnot, in turn degrades pretty fucking fast.

Anyway most of the joints should be either covered with cloth that is painted according to the golem or you just leav a gap between the two pieces and be mindful the color of your underclothing

>> No.10082606

>>10079262
Few friends of mine play Jotunar, and those dudes tend to be the ones half decent with costuming. I'd recommend it.

>> No.10082608

>>10081740
I think I'm using the same kind of foam. Most of it's from a local craft store, the rest off of foam factory. I think I'll try what your pic did and size the joints so they could overlap without adhering. Luckily I have a morph suit lying around, so underclothing won't be too bad.

>> No.10082717

>>10079993
>>10079996
Nice! Do you still do historic surgeon stuff?

>> No.10082848

>>10072016
Wish i started off at a younger age, had my first larp last year at age 22, thankfully i'm pretty good with smithing, woodwork and have a gf who teaches me sowing, but i notice my acting is still really stunted. OOC insecurities preventing me from doing IC things and all that jazz

>> No.10083301

>>10082717
Yeah, got a question?

>> No.10083583

>>10081740
What I like about the city golem is that it looks a lot "rougher" than others like these:
>>10080823
>>10080816
>>10080813
Also, the more varied colour sheme works a lot better in my opinion.

I think the "jagged rock" look (more protruding rocks and less human shape) is a lot better for golems in general, because they look less like a guy in a costume.

>> No.10083931

>>10083583
gotta agree with you there. I'm currently working on covering my joints with fabric, but when I'm done decorating I'll have enough protruding bits to make an Iron Maiden loo like a La-Z-Boy.

>> No.10083935

>>10081740
having said that, I can only sort of understand what I'm looking at here. It looks like there's pool noodles stabbing through that golem's shoulders, and a whole bunch of pool noodles attached to each other to make some sort of crystal fist. The helmet looks like closed cell foam with some attachments but after than, I'm lost. How the fuck did someone pull that off?

>> No.10084213

>>10081740
Golem skipped leg day

>> No.10084362

>have a guy known for acting like a bit of a bully, but it's all in-game and he's been around for so long that nobody can hurt him via PvP, so nothing really happens
>some new folks arrive, he does his thing, one of them talks back
>Guy gets close to newbie, newbie asks him to back the hell up
>Guy apparently makes contact, newbie shoves him into a tree
>Guy starts bitching that it was all IC and the game has a rule about no physical blows, newbie should be kicked for being too violent
>newbie gets off with a warning, but newbie is pissed and leaves the game his second hour in
>Guy gets off scot-free, apparently when newbie mouthed off, it was consent for the intimidation process and contact
What the fuck, man. How come getting close enough to touch someone doesn't count as being physical, but only when actual force is used?

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Confess, /larp/.

>Regarded as one of the 'history nerds' of my community, keeping my characters relatively down to earth and historically accurate
>Deep down I just wanna play a cool JRPG swordmaster and fuck shit up with a Katana or dual wielding curved swords.

>> No.10084716

>>10084362
I will always side with the newbie in such a situation. If the guy's character is such an in-game douchbag, there should be social repercussions for him including social shunning, people refusing to do business with him, etc.

If he's using his character to justify his IRL meta-douchiness, then IRL social and metagame reaction should be undertaken.

It should also be clear that new people need to acclimate to the game. He's swinging his dick without people understanding the boundaries of in/out game.

>>10084710
As long as it doesn't harsh the mellow of the setting, go for it. High fantasy kitchen-sink type game? Go buy a bucket of hairgel and wholesale belts. Scandinavian Dark age fantasy larp? Leave it at home.

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>>10084710
I thoroughly enjoy thrashing commies in game.

>>10084716
>JRPG swordmaster and fuck shit up with a Katana
>Scandinavian Dark age fantasy larp

>guy "asks for permission" on facebook to go ronin/ninja at my main Scandinavian Dark age fantasy larp campaign
>plebs thinks it a good idea
>no ones gonna ask the gm for permission
>mfw

>> No.10084728

>>10084724
You know what you must do.

Kill him.

Not his character.

>> No.10084733

>>10084728
Waiting on the gm to eventually snap and kill him for me instead.

People have been repeating this act of free forming characters x rule rejection for years. And each time the gm gets shit'd on for denying them at the entrance they loose 50-100 players by blowing up drama

>> No.10084736

>>10084733
Then the game is as much of a problem as the players.

>> No.10084861

>>10084728

If you perm in real life you perm in game.

>> No.10085021

>>10084736
You're supposed to send in a request at least one month in advance if you want to play a unique roll with snowflake powers that are outside the standard guideline scope.

It may get denied or approved then, but you cant show up in a green faux leather skin suit at a event and claim that you have 5 times more hp than others and expect it to get approved on the spot. I think the gm(s) are in the right in like 90% of drama cases

>> No.10085053

>>10084710
>Confess, /larp/

I get bored with characters after half a dozen larps at most. I tend to play near-suicidal with my characters because I want them to die, but I don't want to see it coming.

My costumes look pretty bad, but I always go for flashy and expensive accessories instead of a solid basis. At the one larp I do have a really good costume for, I complain about low costuming standards.

I have three large unfinished projects laying around and one that desperately needs repairs, but I always start new ones instead of finishing the old ones first.

I've been saying I'm going to build a ballista for over three years, and I still haven't started.

I wear modern shoes in game, yet look down on others whose shoes look more modern than mine.

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>>10084710
I've never had a real character. I have only played an NPC, in three games. Picture is not related.

>> No.10085080

>>10085066
Nothing shameful about that anon. NPCs are an important ingredient and can be every bit as characterful and well-costumed as a PC.

>> No.10085200

Hey guys! This might be a sort of /cgl/ and /out/ question.

What would a traveler's costume look like if it actually had to kind of realistic.
By realistic I mean:
- It's actually functional in terms of being warm
- It's waterproof (to a degree, I imagine oilskins or leather would work)
- It doesn't suck balls to walk more than a hundred yards in

I am thinking kinda viking era or early medieval period (800 - 1100)

Hope it makes sense! You guys are always the best.

>> No.10085213

>>10085200
Linen shirt
Wool tunic
Wool trousers & leg wraps OR wool hose and linen braes according to cultural taste
Thick wool cloak
Wool hood

This basic set-up is the same for any Early Medieval Frank, Anglo-Saxon or Norse even though the decoration and style of the garments vary.
Wool is pretty good for keeping you dry and is reasonably warm even while wet. Layers also keep you warm and dry despite inclement weather. No fancy or expensive oilskins and leather bondage gear required.

>> No.10085225

>>10085213
Alright, nice. Thank you for your answer.
What kind of purpose would something in leather serve? Was it even used for clothing back in the day?

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>>10085200
What >>10085213 said.

Wool is a wonderful material and will help you keep warm and dry, and it breathes quite good, but not enough in hot summers and its not thick enough to cut out winter winds.

>>10085225
Leather was expensive, or rather, it was in limited supply. It would primarily be used for shoewear, and you could wear through 2-3 pairs a year as a peasant. Belts and belt pouches were also made by leather but the demand for shoewear was greater so other utilities would be made out of linen if the supply got to low. The only actual clothing items to be made out of leather was for vests or gloves, but that was more prevalent in the later medieval ages.

In the winter you would put on extra layer(s) of wool, or further up north, use pelts to break out winds and get a thick outer layer for insulation.

>> No.10085239

>>10085225
>Was it even used for clothing back in the day?
Shoes.

Other than that, not really. The basic materials are linen and wool, which can come in a variety of weights and types depending on what you need it for or can afford. Finer material is cooler in summer and is more pleasant against the skin, thicker fabrics work well for cloaks or rough weather tunics. Silk is mostly for decoration excpet for the extremely wealthy. Fur is mostly used as a lining for wool cloaks and hoods.

>> No.10085255

>>10085239
>>10085238
Ok, I think I have a good picture in my head now.

Thank you both for some great answers. I am looking at making a kind of "realistic" traveler for a LARP in 2020, so I can now gather that I need some linen and wool layers, a solid cloak, and maybe even some fur (it will be in the winter in Scandinavia).

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>>10085255
>winter in Scandinavia

Get some solid knitted wool mittens. And don't forget some wool socks for your feet and balls.

If its dark age larp then I would also make a big vest out of rabbit pelts, would be very comfy.

>> No.10085314

>>10085021
And there needs to be a quorum between GMs on such submissions. 2/3 or 3/5 vote.

if the guy didn't get his character approved, but that's an entire another story where he should have been turned away at the gate.

>>10085200
Oilskins and leather garments aren't really a thing for the period that you're talking about. wool is the fabric of choice, because the lanolin present in the fiber is actually quite water-resistant. Will also keep you warm even when wet. the key things that you're going to want, are going to be a good cloak, especially one made of thick wool, as well as a hat. shoes are also going to be key, as well as layering. Most likely, you're going to have some form of wooden footwear for long distance, foul weather travel, such as clogs or pattens. do not think of the clothing as specifically for travel, but think about somebody who is traveling wearing the clothing that they have.

>>10085225
Leather clothing before the 16thC is incredibly rare due to the cost and nature of production. Leather is for shoes/boots, gloves and belts. It's utilities are more important for things such as strapping, saddels, etc.

>> No.10085570

>>10085314
Where did the trope of leather bar vikings start?

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>>10085570
I guess it's a combination of a hate-baby from Sword 'n sorcery, paired with inspirations from stone age/very early Iron Age.
Pelts and leather (and grass, s.o. to Ötzi) are the main resources for clothing when weaving requires a more advanced civilization.

>>10085213
Don't forget there's a big chance of an extra wool tunic, and a kaftan. If you want to use silk you're either very rich, or a Rusvik (from Kiev f.e.).

>>10084710
I'm a LARP elitist and will get in fights with Americans about anything. I have the tendency to avoid LARPing with people who's kit looks like shit unless I know they're good players.

I am actively pursueing LARPing with new people to combat this though.

>> No.10085735

>>10085683
What country are you in?

>> No.10085751

>>10085735
Netherlands. So we're a budget baby of Nordic and German LARP.

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I bought some replica koban coins as a prop
They are really neat and i want to get some other japanese coins butnobody makes the silver pieces and the kobans are too expensive to buy a bunch of. Im just using really cheap chinese coins as mon because they are a few dollars for fifty of them

>> No.10088742

I'm going to be advertising the larp I'm a part of at a convention.
What should we have at our table?

So far, lots of weapons to play with. Cards with website/contact info. I'm trying to get people with the best costuming behind the desk.
What's something fun to draw crowds? How to appeal to anime nerds? Little more than 3 months till the date.

>> No.10088751

>>10088742
Have some set dressing, make it look nice and give it the style of your setting!

>> No.10088920

>>10088742
Swords always work. Have people in the best costumes walk around, people behind the desk don't need to look as interesting. Don't try to hamfist the actual larping, or have everyone actually play their character.

You need to have two talks prepared: one for newbies wondering what larp is and how it works, and one for experienced larpers wondering what sets your larp apart from others. You'll probably want separate flyers for both.

Swordfighting works amazing as a promotional stunt, regarding you ensure two things. One, get a well-defined area in a clearly visible location. Use rope or some flags or whatever. Marking the location is more important than it seems, because it telegraphs to everyone that this is an organized thing and not random messing around. Two, make sure there's always people swordfighting. If there's no rando's fighting, get two of your volunteers. Swordfighting draws spectators, spectators join in, and after joining in they'll often want to find out what that was all about.

Lastly, large imposing banners are usually a sound investment if you plan to do promotion at fairs on a regular basis.

>> No.10088963

>>10088920
Adding onto this:
Make sure the people doing swordfighting either with newbies or with each other are at least of decent skill, and that they focus on making the fight impressive and cool, so it'll draw more attention.

As for explaining about LARPing to others, try to understand what sort of person you're talking to and adjust accordingly (Assuming your LARP has a spot for them),

Souls/Witcher/Skyrim fans will be all about checking your cool 'OH IT'S REAL METAL???' armour, and fighting. Tell them cool stuff you or others did at a LARP.

Cosplayers, especially on higher levels would be all about looking gorgeous, so woo them with awesome LARP photos while explaining about LARPs in general, perhaps showing the lighter or more roleplay-ish side of it.

To most gentler folks you'll meet you'd wanna break the stereotype of LARP being neckbeards or burly men in their 40's beat up each other with foam rods and drinking inhuman amounts of beer in the woods. If one of your group is a female, it might be best to let her either do the talking or at least be present and back you up and all.

You can hype people up by trying to build some sort of a 'mock' character with them on the spot. Like, if they're at least partially into it, ask if there's some archetype or character they'd wanna play IRL, and roll with it from there.
Lots of animu geeks dig Critical Role now so you can also use that I guess, to explain the roleplaying aspect

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Hey guys, I'm just getting into a little bit of historical costuming, and I was hoping to get a little bit of feedback before I proceed here. I've just started patterning a pair of mid-late 18th C half-boned stays for myself using this tutorial, and incorporating advice from other guides.
>http://www.marquise.de/en/1700/howto/frauen/18corset.shtml
I was thinking of modifying the straps to mimic what has been suggested by American Duchess, using twill tape to make crossed adjustable straps, as here.
>https://youtu.be/w3ASo310lak

So far I've put together 2 mockups made of cling wrap and masking tape on a mannequin padded into a cony-er shape. I'm not at the fabric stage yet. Mockup #2, pic related, is far from perfect, but it's helping me figure out sizing and strap placement. This mockup doesn't include the "tabs" that keep the boning from digging into the waist, but the next will. My next planned step here once I finish making the pattern symmetrical, is a mockup in shitty fabric.

I thought I'd start looking for feedback early, since the stays are a pretty important part of the outfit. If I fuck this up, the rest will be fucked up.

What do you think of my plan, pattern choice, and first mockup?

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>>10088742
adding to what the others already said:
some little gambling game is also a good idea to rope in people with a little interaction.
Anything that has very simple rules, fast paced and fits the setting.
We used glückhause for this as I have a big amount of various larp coins and aslo bone dices so it fits the setting

>>10089903
if you can wait till caer adamant drops by she can probably give you some solid advice

>> No.10090286

>>10089903
I've actually never done historical costuming of this era, although I hope to soon which means tackling my own set of stays.

I have made stays and boned dresses from the 1500s and one Victorian corset so I have some experience.

It looks like you've thought very well and done your research for the project, so I don't have much to add. The only things I can suggest is to do a muslin pattern on your own body with some lacing strips sewn on. Fittings on a dummy is helpful but it doesn't move or have funny posture, or other idiosyncrasies like we tend to.

Also the bones themselves (particularly if you're using cable ties or cording) take up room in the pattern and can shrink the stays. I almost always have some issues with this.

Also tabs are wonderful wonderful things and yes do include them!

Looks good so far. I hope you post more on this project and perhaps I can be goaded to start mine!

>> No.10090362

Does the amount of namefags just keep increasing in these threads?

>> No.10090388

>>10090286
Its more Gropey's era of knowledge, but as much as he knows, this particular subject probably isn't his strong suit.

>>10090362
>Hungarian
>Gropey
>Caer Adamant (formerly Adamantlolita)
All of these folks are oldfags who constantly contribute, and larpthread by its nature being focused on IRL interaction and contact off 4chan, makes it acceptable.

>> No.10090689

>>10090362
In fact, I'm more curious about the namefags who disappeared over the years.

Anyone seen Tarantula LARPsocks, Ru or Ru's GF that made neat stuff with LEDs whose name I forgot?

>> No.10090693

>>10090689
>Ru or Ru's GF that made neat stuff with LEDs whose name I forgot?
Ru and Esh-Esh is still alive. Esh-Esh still have her store and pumping out stuff. They even post here every once in a while though nowdays usually without namefagging.

Tarantula is alive as far as I know.

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why has paganism fallen to the lgbt crowd?

>> No.10090776

>>10090775
It's always been both a LGBTQ/Legbeard thing, in the same way that it's always been a STEDINGEEEEEER Neo-right thing.

Paganism draws weirdos. Holmgang me if you disagree.

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>>10090689
>tfw trips on other boards and generals that you used to frequent have either moved on with their lives or died off / committed

That probably explains why I only go on boards with close to zero namefags. I like the ones we have here and its perfectly ideal in the long run for me. Maybe some professional commission fag would be nice to have though.

>> No.10091044

>>10090388
I 100% wouldn't be shocked if Gropey had an encyclopedic knowledge of Georgian lady's undergarments desu.

>>10090689
Larpsocks still posts sometimes.

>> No.10091575

>>10086230
I salute your dedication to bespoke weebery.

>>10088742
You need to remember one phrase: Show only your best

1:Pamphlets or a little video on a laptop a BRIEF synopsis of your setting and overarching plot, as well as a simple system explanation.

2: Only the best pictures. If you would see it in the larpfail dumps, don't show it.

3: High quality, realistic kit, both clothing and combat. Metal armour, weapons that actually try to look the part (NO DICKBATS), etc.

4: Camp equipment and non-costume/weapon crafts made by your players. Someone make a nice chest for their feast gear? Carved a drinking horn? Illuminated an award scroll? etc.

5: Have interactive demos. Let them hit a guy with a weapon a little while briefly discussing how combat works. Play a game of nine-man-morris or other setting appropriate and easy game.

The biggest problem with most larp demo tables is that since most games intrinsically focus on active conflict, without any interest in daily life and craft as a recreation group would, makes for pretty limited options.

>>10090362
Its part of larpthread out of necessity. A lot of us have specialized knowledge, and interact heavily in meat-space. That said, lots of people try to suddenly make themselves a "beloved named personality" and fall short. When people don't immediately suck their dick for posting with a name, they get pissy. So it fluctuates.

>>10090388
>>10091044
I have enough knowledge on how to remove them without getting beaten to death for tearing an eyelet.

>>10090689
>Tarantula LARPsocks
I talk to him regularly on facebook. He's doing well, and doing a lot of post-apoc larping, but his career eats most of his time.

>Ru
Also chat regularly. Him and Esh are good. We mostly talk history and politics, and I haven't seen him post any larp things lately though.

>>10090776
Don't feed the /pol/tard.

>> No.10091728

>>10088742
You still there, anon? If so, can you tell us more about the fair? Location, expected turnout, target audience, and if there will be a lot of larps or just yours.

>>10091575
>You need to remember one phrase: Show only your best
I think that statement gives the wrong idea. Although I've never advertized a larp at a fair, I have done a lot of advertizement for a roleplaying association, and volunteered at a few fairs. In my experience, there's always enough use for t-shirt volunteers, and you'll rarely have a choice for how many and which costumes your volunteers are going to bring with them. I agree with the sentiment, but I think "try only the things you can do well" is better general advice. Shitty costumes is a problem, volunteers not in costume isn't.

>> No.10091777

>>10091575
>I talk to him on facebook
>Him

?????? I thought Tarantula was a grill? At least that's what I remember from photos and such?

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>>10091728
>"Don't you want to join our game!

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>>10091728
>Immerse yourself in our game!

>> No.10091887

>>10091728
To add to >>10091790 and >>10091792, yes. You only show your best. I guarantee you that if you show crappy kit anf people who don't give a shit in the game, then new people are not going to give a shit about your game.

>>10091777
Yes, him.

>> No.10091899

>>10091777
holy shit anon, you can't just assume gender in the year of our lord 2019

>> No.10091925

>>10091899
TBF, he played a girl-spider. Dem 8 legs and shapely thorax Easley could confuse anyone easily could confuse anyone.

>> No.10091993

>>10091887
>I guarantee you that if you show crappy kit anf people who don't give a shit in the game, then new people are not going to give a shit about your game.
And you know that's not what I'm saying. Of course stuff like the weak bait above is going to be bad for recruiting. However, "show only your best" is only worth anything if you can afford to be picky, and in my experience that's not a realistic perspective.

When doing promotion, you take what you get. The larps I've seen doing promotion were only able to muster about six or seven volunteers on average. Taking into account that volunteers won't be working for the entire fair, there are plenty of larps out there that simply need all the help they can get. You still shouldn't let people promote your larp in shit costumes, but turning away people with mediocre costumes is a good way to ensure you're understaffed. The volunteers with good costumes will end up so overworked they aren't going to volunteer again.

Furthermore, you don't need people in amazing costumes to build up tents, run back and forth to the organization, keep schedules, make sure volunteers all have food and water, give swordfighting demos, and talk to visitors drawn in by the better-looking volunteers. There's plenty of tasks that can be done in a tunic and viking pants combo, or a t-shirt for that matter.


So, fair-anon, I personally suggest you don't listen to that advice. Definitely bring your best, if you can, but don't bring ONLY your best.

>> No.10092097

>>10091993
You sound like the kind of whiteknight faggot that shouldn't be anywhere near recruitment.

>> No.10092112

>>10092097
My association saw a growth of just over 20% in the year I was in charge of recruiting, but I know posting credentials here won't accomplish anything.

Instead, explain to me what you would do differently. If you could choose, would you rather have just three volunteers in good costumes than three in good costumes and three in basic ones? Or would you skip the chance at promotion altogether because not enough volunteers with good costumes are available? Seriously, explain, because I don't see how trying to balance aesthetic considerations with practical ones is white knighting.

>> No.10092115

>>10091993
>>10092112
>And you know that's not what I'm saying.
Except I don't. You're moving the goalpost every other post.

> "show only your best" is only worth anything if you can afford to be picky, and in my experience that's not a realistic perspective.
>When doing promotion, you take what you get.

Demos are not something that you don't have ample time to plan for.

>turning away people with mediocre costumes is a good way to ensure you're understaffed.

Now you are confusing an actual event with the people manning your demo. If you have people who are manning the demo table who don't have good kit, you can loan it to them. You probably have had months to get set up before the convention etc.

>Furthermore, you don't need people in amazing costumes to build up tents, run back and forth to the organization, keep schedules, make sure volunteers all have food and water

This isn't what you're advertising anon. You're trying to sell the new folks on the game, not on the logistics.

>Instead, explain to me what you would do differently. If you could choose, would you rather have just three volunteers in good costumes than three in good costumes and three in basic ones? Or would you skip the chance at promotion altogether because not enough volunteers with good costumes are available?

Not that anon... But yeah. Its a con demo table. Why do you need six people? Also, three people in basic costumes? As stated above, you should easily get enough shit to dress their basic kit up for the purpose of the demo.

>> No.10092307

>>10092115
but on the other hand, you can't deny that there is a shitton of people who are completely happy with mediocer or shit costuming. Like half of the US larpers..
Shit, I even see it in every country I've been to larping.

It's hard to argue about putting 110% effort into advertising something when the other guy can get as much or sometimes even more people with just 30% effort.
We can debate that does the 30% guy get a people who have different quality of people or not but at the end of the day their larp probably have more people than the one with higher standards, so it clearly works

>> No.10092309

>>10092307
>Americans are used to shit so don't bother trying
Word.

>> No.10092310

>>10092309
there are days when I feel the only way to repair most of the larp scene there is to just burn the fucking thing to the ground and just build it again from zero.
But then I realize that I don't live there and have way bigger problems here.

>> No.10092383

>>10092115
>Demos are not something that you don't have ample time to plan for.
Time is not the problem here. I think you're seriously overestimating the professionality of most larps that come to advertize their events.

If plenty of volunteers showed up, dead set on promoting the larp with the goal of maximizing new players, I would have agreed with you a lot more. Again, if you can afford to be picky, you should. I'm just making a case that you can't afford that.

Who do show up are some friends who happen to live nearby and thought it'd be fun to toss on their costumes and advertize their larp. On the day of the event, you'll find out two of the volunteers couldn't make it and three others decided to come. There's no reasonable chance to do a vetting process on such a group. You just tell them to bring their best kit and hope for good results.

I admit that costuming issues are largely solved if someone takes the time to assemble some of the best costumes from the larp's storage, and has room in his car to bring those (after loading whatever decorations are needed and leaving space for passengers). However, I'd say that is not guaranteed by any means.

>Why do you need six people?
To do everything you dismissed with the previous comment. Building up decor before the fair starts requires a lot of hands. Running to the organization with the questions that inevitably pop up. Most importantly: free time for volunteers. They want to look around too, because they showed up for their own fun. They need to take breaks, eat, use the restroom. If you want a table staffed with two people at all times, you need more than three volunteers at the event. If you want to do actual activities like a swordfighting ring, you'll need even more.

Plus, more volunteers means more cars, and trunk space can be a limiting factor.

Practical considerations come first. Bringing enough volunteers and making sure they're happy is more important than showing your absolute best.

>> No.10092387

>>10091993
Makes sense really. I've done my part in advertizing my LARPs as well. One of the thing that matters for more than having everybody in good kit is having people being able to talk with passion about their LARP, while still being busy answering others questions rather than rampage on about their character.

You need eyecatchers, we did little scenes just one or two corners away from our location and then returned back to our spot. For our post-apo LARP we did a fake-trial, for our medieval-fantasy larp... you get the drift.

Our group consisted largely of older player with a heart for the organization since our scene has a non-profit culture and most LARPs are run over the backs of volunteers. Usually these people bring good costumes as well. What works though is having people in normal outfits, preferably one or two women among them, who just wear a t-shirt or hoodie of our organization who can talk at the less adventurous people about our hobby. Big, sick, costumes can be intimidating for some players as well.

In short: have a few eyecatchers, get some easy to talk to people representing the organization in civvies, and try to lure people back to your stand with things that show what you actually do at a LARP and try and involve people on a very low level. Once they're involved they'll feel much more at ease coming to your stand/camp.

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>getting back into larp in the next couple months as i move out of the city
>i burned bridges with toxic individuals there
>it's going to be unavoidable when i start going back

Nothing like larp drama, I'm hoping running with a new clan and not engaging OOC means theyll just fuck off and leave me alone.

pic related, my kit the last time I larped properly, in 2017 i believe.

>> No.10092476

>>10092383
>Time is not the problem here. I think you're seriously overestimating the professionality of most larps that come to advertize their events.

"I don't care about trying to improve my game or making a good impression"

>If plenty of volunteers showed up, dead set on promoting the larp with the goal of maximizing new players, I would have agreed with you a lot more. Again, if you can afford to be picky, you should. I'm just making a case that you can't afford that.

"Fuck putting in effort, I'm going to make excuses"

>To do everything you dismissed with the previous comment. (Cont)

...it's a table. It's not a booth at a faire.

Everything you posted is excuses and overestimation.

>>10092403
Digging the kit. Fuck the toxic personalities and do you. What's the character?

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>>10092476
He's called Gerd, he's from a town that suffered financial ruin, so he had to turn to a life of odd jobs with his cousin. He eventually (through in-game interactions) got known as quite the monster hunter. Currently modifying the kit (aging it a ton) for his return. I was pretty well known when I left, so most of the regulars will know who i am by my kit, which will be nice to go back to, since I'm not making it known until I actually go back.

But yeah, the toxic cunts are some of the big movers and shakers, so IC interactions are guaranteed, but im a lot fitter than i used to be, so hopefully i can just hold a sustained REEEEE long enough for them to leave me.

>> No.10092485

>>10092476
>Everything you posted is excuses and overestimation.

Not doing something because it couldn't be perfect is another kind of excuse.

>> No.10092543

How awesome is Conquest?

>6000 players
>1500 NPC's
>largest LARP in the world

The videos and costumes look pretty cool, and it seems there is ample opportunity for camp life as well as fighting.

Have any of you guys been, and what are your thoughts?

>> No.10092638

>>10092543
Lot of my friends go, so far I'm a Drachenfest guy with my viking group. But this year I'll be touring along with the Untotes Fleisch as well.

As much as I can tell the costuming standards in general are higher on CQ than at DF. DF is more fight and BBQ PVP centered, and CQ is more fight and BBQ PVE centered.

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>>10092309
Pic related

>>10092484
Awesome

>>10092485
No one said perfect slav-kun, just the best you can. He's making excuses for not doing as best as he can.

Fuck excuses.

>> No.10092985

I've got a friend starting, and I'm pretty rusty on resources, anyone got any good stuff for easy/ cheap Rus/ viking kit? I've got armstreet shit, so I dont wanna put him off with that sort of pricing

>> No.10093009

>>10092669
I was slightly implying it was you that making the excuses, kind of remember a few from the past.

Also you should first see pics of what he actually did so far before saying it wasn't the best he can. Maybe he is indeed shit, maybe he is good enough, we will never know just from a self report.

>> No.10093344

>>10093009
He's made no more than you and I have plenty of dirt on all you namefags. All of you can go suck dicks.

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>>10093344
Oh boy, is it time for the Gropeyfanboys again? And to imagine we were almost having a nice thread.

>> No.10093427

>>10093391
I hate all namefags.

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>>10093427
Now that, that I can live with.

>> No.10093435

>>10093391
He's bro af I'll, so he gets a pass.

>> No.10093475

Any of y'all do SCA?

Gulf Wars is coming up and I live close enough that I have literally no excuse not to go (bar some unforeseen misfortune such as the acquisition of gainful employment).. Can't fucking wait. Just need to crank out some garb now.

>> No.10093517

>>10093475
Care Adamant, Gropey, SCAnon and a few others.

>> No.10093557

>>10093344
then I encourage you to call me out on my bullshit when it's relevant.

>> No.10093568

>>10093557
Why? You're never relevant. Just another desperate namefag.

>> No.10093714

>>10093391
>>10093429
Ah, some rare occasions where rusted armour doesn't look shit. Lovely.

>> No.10094094

nice larp

>> No.10094140

So what're the guidelines to taking a kit from mediocre to like wow-factor 10/10 material?

>>10094094
Quality post

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>>10093009
Pot, meet kettle. what an odd is doing is making mountains out of a molehill. Taking effort isn't hard and he's trying to make it seem bigger than it is.

>>10093475
Hey hey. Where you from?

>>10094140
The first thing to do is to not think of it as a costume, but as clothing. The best way to look the part is to be the part.

>Layers

Think about how people dress today and historically. Things really haven't changed, in that you wear layers of clothing that each have purpose. You have your underwear, such as socks, underwear, and undershirt, which protect the rest of your clothing from your body soil and sweat. On top of this, you wear your outerwear: pants, shirt, Etc. On top of that, you have your situational overwear, which is used to protect your clothing and yourself from the outside environment like a hat when it's sunny, a sweater when it's cold, or a jacket when it's raining. Most larpers only wear a single layer of outerwear, if that. How would your character dress if it was real?

>Accessories

Once you have your clothing, you really need to get down your characters accessories and tools they need in life. a key here, is that these items have purpose, in more than just an aesthetic standpoint. How are they carrying their goods if they don't have pockets? How are they holding up or blousing out their clothing? What items do they carry out of decoration or habit and why? do everything you can to avoid wearing too many belt flags and icons that are obvious game symbols, because it makes you look like a formula 1 racer with ads on them.

(.cont)

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>>10094341

>Mitigating the mundane

the final step is to take stock of everything you have that is obviously modern or out of place. Needs & wants will always make exceptions, but there's always ways to cover them or make them less obvious. Wearing plain black or brown modern shoes or historic shoes is always best, but doing something as simple as using cloth or scrap leather to cover a pair of modern tennis shoes, goes a long way. obviously, a lot of people are using folding camp chairs, but a blanket or sheet can easily cover that chair and make it look less obtrusive. same goes for people that wear lacrosse gloves because they're worried about their little fingers in a boffer game: five minutes with some cloth or leather, or even just painting over the goddamn logos, makes you look a lot less like a tool.

>> No.10094346

>>10094344
Derp, hit submit before done.

the pic I posted above is a good example of working with what you have. it is obvious that there is investment in the costume, but also that stop gaps are being used, without making the rest of the costume look bad. The clothing is layered, and looks as though it supposed to go together. The shoes and pants are modern, but completely unobtrusive and look great. The accessories both aesthetically and practically fit the overall feel of the character.

>> No.10094382

>>10094341
>>10094344
>>10094346
Thats easier sounding than I thought.

>> No.10094564

>>10094341
>>10094344
>>10094346
Based clown

>> No.10094590

>>10094341
>Dat neon green

Did they really have that color in olden times?

>> No.10094827

>>10094341
>>10094344
>>10094346
Not to diminish yoyr help, I really appreciate it

But ir sounds more like a 'How to have a p decent costume' anf not a legit 'holy fucking whoa my dude'

>> No.10094855

>>10094827
What's not to get? If you expect him to have an instant win secret then you're fugged my dude. Only other thing I would add is that you get out what you put into your clothes. Use good material like wool and linen, and spend the time to make your shit fit you.

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>>10094590
Sure is. A color like that is fully achievable with period dye methods. A lot of the reason that we see the medieval period as shades of browns, is due to pigments and dues fading over the centuries.

>>10094827
If you're still thinking in terms of "costume", then I can't really help. The tools are there. Like >>10094855 says, there is no instant secret.

>> No.10094954

>>10056884
Does anyone have the pic of the guy wearing a modern military helmet disguised as a medieval helm?

>> No.10095034

>>10094590
I'm questioning that purple more than the green. I thought purple was traditionally reserved for royalty?

>> No.10095134

>>10095034
That's a myth, Anon. Purple made of sea snails in ancient Greece was only for king's, but only in one place.

Purple is easy to make. Red/brown+blue. It's far from uncommon or controlled.

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>>10095134
Everything here is made using 14thC commonly available dyestuffs.

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>>10089903
Hello I'm back.

My local fabric store had no suitable linen, so I had to settle for cotton. I've started by machine basting the boning channels on the front pieces into the base fabric. I'll go back later and either hand or machine sew them properly once I've finalized the shape and cut it out. I'm self taught so maybe this isn't the best way to do it, but I thought it'd be simplest to curve my pattern lines around the boning, rather than fit boning into a set shape.

Still lots of seam allowance all around. I have a lot of trimming still to do.

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>>10095194
Oopsies. Wrong image

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>>10095197
Done basting the channels on all 4 pieces . I'll sew the sides together and whipstich the back for quick test fit before I cut.

>> No.10095398

>>10093475
>>10093517
I haven't gone to an sca event in a few years. It was hard to find the time and I didn't really click with the local group. I'd like to try again though

>>10095137
Oof that photo is amazing and an inspiration

>>10095194
>>10095197
Looks good so far. I'm used to seeing the front boning channels go all the way to the bottom of the pattern but I'm not familiar with all of that eras style of corsets. What made you choose to do that?

>> No.10095479

>>10095398
It's an error. Front boning will go all the way down. I drew arrows so I wouldn't forget to sew the channel properly.

>> No.10095791

>>10095137
Great pic. Brown middle ages is worst middle ages.

>> No.10096465

>>10095137
So like, basically 14thC and onwards I could use any of these colours for my kit, assuming I play something that isn't dirt-poor? (I usually play millitarymen, mercenaries and such at the veryowest, so)


Is HLF here? Got a Landsknechte question, too!

>> No.10096472

>>10096465
Not him, but all of those colors have been around since the bronze age. People like colors.

>> No.10096504

>>10094341
>Pot, meet kettle. what an odd is doing is making mountains out of a molehill. Taking effort isn't hard and he's trying to make it seem bigger than it is.
and again as always, you doesn't even stopped asking for a picture to know what his good enough is.

>>10094590
THAT neon green? nope. There were a few kind of close but those shades the guy has is pretty much modern ones. But then again, he isn't reenacting and fits the camp so whatever.

>>10095034
even if that were true Landsknechte were allowed to wear whatever the fuck the wanted and could afford.

>>10095194
>My local fabric store had no suitable linen, so I had to settle for cotton
you will be relieved that even in the 16th century there were cotton cloths here and there, sometimes used for padding, sometimes for actual cloths, etc. So using it for a 18th century dress isn't that big of a sacrilege. It won't be that comfy though in the long run.

>>10096465
You could use whatever the fuck you want for larping. Some won't be authentic but the internet police won't stop you either. There were shades that weren't possible until later centuries but as long as you aren't really into this it doesn't matter.
Also what is that question?

>> No.10096511

>>10096504
>THAT neon green? nope
A lady in my LH group proved it can be done, but like Gropalope said it's not colorfast. I'll search for pics.
> 16th century there were cotton cloths here and there, sometimes used for padding, sometimes for actual cloths
For the upper class maybe. It's not common and cotton is difficult to process before the cotton gin. Even in the 1700s it was a luxury fabric.

>> No.10096552

>>10096504
>What is the question?

Do you have any sources about the use of the Katzbalger? Or general points about how was it used other than 'The pointy end goes hard into the other person'?

>> No.10096563

>>10096552
nothing noteworthy that I'm aware of apart from the usual "fighting like cats" urbanlegend bullshit.
What little source I'm aware of is very general and must be taken with a handful of salt.

Most of them was pretty rounded at the tip so probably limited amount of stabbing was going on, and it was a backup weapon in tight formations so way more hacking.
But that said while it is a signature weapon that doesn't mean everyone had it.
Messers and various sideswords and proto-rapiers are also common (or just some kind of dagger, no sword at all)

The lack of katzbalger treaties and the sexiness of messers is why I'm more into messer research

>> No.10096580

>>10096563
>Fighting like cats
Sounds like an interesting urban legend. Care to tell? (Like I get the name is derived from that with the Katz but is there more to it?)

>> No.10096588

>>10096580
it's just that that, and comes from sources that didn't really liked the landsknechte for whatever reasons (probably burned their wives and raped the fields)
So basically there are some offhand comments that when it's a bad war or just a really tight close quarters battle the landsknechte just fight like cats clawing at the others with these.
I also have to mention that the katzbalger scabbard made out of cat skin is also bullshit.

That said it's just a sword and you use it like any other sword. If you have to stab you stab if you have to hack you hack if you have to cut you cut, but it's obviously more cut/hack oriented. (also some of the proto katzbalgers are VERY similar to messers lexample: Christian II of Denmark's weapon)

>> No.10096606

>>10096588
A 500-years-old roast, absolutely amazing

>> No.10096635

>>10096606
the romans wrote a few stuff about various "barbarians" that they use their swords like an aye and stuff like that. probably with similar amount of truth

>> No.10096650

>>10095137
Thats pretty awe inspiring.

>> No.10096665

>>10094341
I’m in Gautier MS so thw Barony of Seleone but the Barony of the Osprey is about equally close (about an hour drive for either unfortunately). I haven’t made any contact with the local groups yet, primarily played in the Shire of the Shadowlands in Ansteorra before I moved.

Looking forward to finally meeting all the various locals though at Gulf Wars.

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>>10096504
>and again as always, you doesn't even stopped asking for a picture to know what his good enough is

If they post here, they know what good enough is. If they are arguing, they obviously are not.

>Neon green/cotton etc.
Anon in >>10096511 is right on the money. Though yeah, it's LARP, cut corners if you want. Real stuff looks and wears better though.

>>10096552
>>10096563
>>10096580
>>10096588
I always heard "cat gutter" came from the short draw of the smaller blade, when tightly hung at the left hip or between the legs while in pike formation, pulling out of the sheath close to the belly and up to the chin.

Pic is similar, but the longer sidesword needed more draw space.

>>10096665
Dude, email me. I know the folks of selione. Great people, and I'll put you in contact with who you need to. screwloosecircus AT gmail

>> No.10097089

>>10096706
>If they post here, they know what good enough is. If they are arguing, they obviously are not.
only a sith deals in absolutes

>I always heard "cat gutter" came from the short draw of the smaller blade, when tightly hung at the left hip or between the legs while in pike formation, pulling out of the sheath close to the belly and up to the chin.
yeah, that's another theory but honestly none that I've seen had much evidence and at the end of the day it doesn't even matter where the name come from

>> No.10097241

>>10097089
>only a sith deals in absolutes
You say that like you don't know me.

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Are parrying gauntlets viable and legit in LARP combat?

>> No.10098344

>>10098326
Mail the organizers. Most systems'll count it as a hit to the arm unless they make an exception for you.

>> No.10098346

>>10098326
I think most campaign's rules would be against it.

You may be able to use them in arena duels though, under specific rule engagements.

>> No.10098416

>>10098344
>>10098346
Oh, okay
What's the smallest strap shield usually allowed then?

>> No.10098789

>>10098326
Not really, because they are not a real thing, and don't especially make sense in a martial situation. Actively blocking a blow with your armoured arm, no matter how well armoured, is a bad idea. Shields work by /not/ directing the force directly into your arm.

Most games require a shield being controlled by a the players hand in some way, by a handle or strap.

>> No.10098903

>>10098789
>Most games require a shield being controlled by a the players hand in some way, by a handle or strap

This. If it's not being controlled, its armor.

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magischola was a mistake

>> No.10098996

>>10098951
I have absolutely no idea what is going on.

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>>10098951
>#noteveryoneisacostumer
>#larpismorethangarb
those tags...

>> No.10099008

>>10098996
Meme making fun of people who think jeans and a Megadeath shirt constitutes garb.

Magischola owner gets on a "having standards is elitist" high horse, responds to being laughed at by using a meme incorrectly to try to imply her opponent is sexist.

The state of big US larp in a shellnut.

>> No.10099017

>>10099008
Fuck. Grope's wasn't kidding.

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>>10098951
US larp was a mistake

>> No.10099143

>>10098951
Gee, I wonder what FB group is that from.

>> No.10099356

>>10098416
Again, depends on the campaign on what is defined as a shield and what is armor, or neither. I think the practical limit would be that its as wide as the length of your forearm to not count as an armor item.

But as a more solid answer to your question
>are parrying gauntlets / strap shield viable?

I would say no, even a bucklar is borderline usable in my opinion since foam weapons are so light and fast that its hard to properly block swings. Plus you don't actually swing with any technique since you only require to make hard contact with your opponent to deal hp damage instead of properly building up momentum to cause physical damage, which results in unpredictable flailing.

Some weapons and armor don't have the same use value in larp as in real life due to pros and cons that don't exists in foam weapon combat.

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>>10099008
Kinda wish I could just go over there and start up a proper high fantasy campaign, and use social media propaganda to raise the bar of standards across america.

To bad US immigration sucks and you cant profit on larp events enough to properly invest in it from the outside.

>> No.10099443

>>10099428
Gropey started one. It has a hardcore following, but isn't large because people think it's elitist and discriminates against fat people or some shit.

>> No.10099472

>>10099428
Please do this. Just overstay your visa and wait for amnesty it’s easy tons of people do it lmao.

>> No.10099480

>>10099443
> it's elitist and discriminates against fat people or some shit.

I like it but even clownfag will even admit its not for everyone. There are no numbers or levels or classes or anything that gives advantages. Combat is not ever a good idea and its really lethal and you cant fake skills if you can't do shit. Its a lot more realistic and survival horror like but people play larps to escape from being losers who cant do anything irl.

>> No.10099557

>>10099480
>Cant fake skills if you can't do shit
So you need to be an actual wizard to so magic?

>> No.10099583

>>10099557
Can't you conjure succubi?

Gee, wonder why you have to resort to LARPing.

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>>10099557
yes

>> No.10099722

>>10098951
>Wizard College LARP
>New World Magischola
>New World Magic School...

>> No.10099733

>>10099041
>>10099722
American LARP was a mistake, and so is the Harry Potter fandom. Having the two together just sounds like maximum cancer.

This is part of the reason I moved onto the SCA. At least there a level of real physicality and effort is required for fighting and arts. I cant just buy build points or XP with cash and get good.

>> No.10099911

>>10099480
Good thats the best kind of larp, I hate games where I get told I cant see that guy because he has his fist in his head, and that means he's stealthing

>> No.10100220

>get 2 inches of snow yesterday
>fuck yeah snow larp
>6 inches today
>larp is canceled
FUCK

>> No.10100229

>>10099733
I like that with my local homebrew. Yeah we are weekly so we don't have a camp setup but when most of us dress down in the parking lot of the reserve we go into, we really do look the part of a good larp. Most of us even have learned the fighting style of our weapons (everyone hates I'm a left handed fencer). You want the good shit? You gotta fight. It takes 6 months of weekly larps before you even hit max power.
When your larp washes out people because they don't like combat, you know you're doing something right.

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>>10100220
>drive to larp in shorts and tshirt
>it starts snowing

Climate change was a mistake

>> No.10101082

>>10098951
>>10098998
>>10099008
>>10099017
>>10099041
HA. Also: https://thenerdjournals.blog/2019/02/04/stop-saying-american-larp/?fbclid=IwAR2J0VjFj9YOAnn3jQ88JwJ7Y3NF9s2U2fgywoLNh_1LX2Kv4NOq_g-fQ1Q

The difference between American larps and other larps is the difference between fast food and other restaurants. technically McDonald's is a restaurant, but when was the last time you called it that?

>>10099557
>>10099583
>>10099594
Our magic system is based off of tangible, consumable somatic components, which also have theatric effect.

"Harm" is your basic magic missile type deal. It's as powerful as shooting a guy with a gun, but way less obvious. The trade off is that you need to carry cascarone (hollowed out eggshells) filled with snappers and baking soda. They make a satisfying crack when they hit a target.

Other spells include "bless weapon/armour", which requires hand written parchment to be affixed with a wax seal on the item, and only last while it's still in one piece (IE, it can be attached to an axe/sword/helmet, but will eventually fall off). "Obscure" requires a non-pyro smoke cannister. "Will-o-whisp" a glowstick, Etc.

>>10099733
I was born in an SCA family. Don't fool yourself. We're a LARP.

>>10099911
Damn straight. Or yelling "parry" after I tag you a dozen times.

>>10100220
Snow LARP is best LARP! It really simulates the suck!

>> No.10101092

>>10099733
My thoughts on the matter:

On fighting and physicality/effort:
LARP is about being a better person than you could be IRL. The whole "do what you can do IRL" thing doesn't really make sense to me seeing as it's a GAME not a simulation. If I wanted to be reminded how uncoordinated I am I wouldn't have much fun at a LARP.

That's my opinion and obviously not your thing which is fine. That's why you went to the SCA. But don't 1) assume an entire country's LARP scene can be boiled down into one stereotype and 2) shit on that stereotype because it's not your thing.

Garb standards:
Ok this one I semi agree on. Showing up to a game in jeans and a T-shirt = bad. I did a post apoc larp for a while and costuming as easy to come by at milsurp shops + beating the shit out of stuff.

I am starting a fantasy game and spent $150 on some basic albeit period clothing (nothing crazy just some tunics and rus pants and other assorted garbs). I admit not as amazing or stunning as the photos in this post, but I don't have hundreds of hours to spend on making things or hundreds of dollars to get things handmade. Maybe when I get my sewing and crafting game up to par...

And DESU at least the US larps I've played have been, at minimum, passable. non-modern, period garb. Again since you boil down US larp into 1 stereotype I think you confuse battle games played at pubilc parks for a few hours a week with more RP-heavy boffer LARPs played over a weekend.

>> No.10101331

>>10101092
>it's a GAME not a simulation
Remember that medieval high fantasy boffer is to larp what D&D is to tabletop roleplaying. It's the poster child, but it leans extremely far to one end of the spectrum. To some, larp IS close to a simulation, and they (fairlyl find overuse of skills and shouts to take away from the simulationist nature of the game.

>> No.10101389

>>10101082
I hear you gropey but the roads are shut down and the parking lot to the reserve just got 6 inches (it's got 3 inches on me). Next week is con weekend so I don't get my combat fix for two weeks.
It's for the best. Winter brings more leniency to the dress code since people can't figure out long johns so it would probably be people in carhartt and metal shirts.
>>10101092
Wouldnt you want to use the roleplaying to get better? Getting better at combat is a great goal. If you are uncoordinated wouldn't a reminder in character be enough for your character and yourself to improve? Furthermore, the stereotype is that Americans are soft which is shown in larps with roshanbo and playing cards with a side of some combat but it might as well be out of a video game. Escapism isnt all encompassing friend.

>> No.10101405

How do I pull off a cool, confident attitude without being a dick? Assuming the character has the means to back this up.

Best example I have for that type is Syrio Forrel, where five fully-armoured and armed guards surrounded him and he's all like "You should be speaking to me with more respect.", or constantly tauning and such.

>> No.10101411

how do you deal with people who don't count their hits properly? there's a person in my training group who seems to not count a pretty high percentage of their hits (and it's not just me - I've gotten similar feedback from others), I called them out on it once after they ignored my hits on them a few times in a row and I got frustrated by it but as sort of expected, nothing came out of that and they denied it. should I just ignore and hope their ego eventually gets to a point where they feel safe admitting they took a hit, or try to hit harder?

also feels good when you can fuck up a spearman by full-on turtling under your shield to get past the spear point, then rush them before they can pull back

>> No.10101415

>>10101411
>or try to hit harder?

Yep. Same shit as with cheaters in airsoft/bb larps, shoot until they start screaming in pain.

You either hit them harder or refuse to play against them. One is perceived as a more mature decision than the other, choose visely.

>> No.10101426

>>10101405
By using that attitude when the need arises. If you have a good attitude the other times and the persona you mentioned when the chips are down then no ones gonna be giving you shit.

>> No.10101432

>>10101411
>>10101415
I'd always have a witness too. And go for the obvious hits. No one can fake a miss when you weapon hits armor or when he makes noise due to being hit in the gut.
But I agree. Talking it out with him and the rest of the group would be best.

>> No.10101643

>>10101082
>I was born in an SCA family. Don't fool yourself. We're a LARP.

Nah, I get ya. The goofy plastic basket hilts remind me of that every time. I'm trying to push myself to a more historically accurate level and minimize the LARP-isms in my own gear, but I don't expect everyone else to do the same.

>>10101092
I appreciate the level of thought put into this post. I didn't mean to brush of the entirety of US larp. But there are elements of a lot of games that I've encountered that I don't enjoy. Mainly the way every game I've been to reduces skills to DnD-esque xp expenditures making everything boil down to "aggressive math in the woods". If I wanted to play that sort of game I would just join a tabletop group. I LARP for the chance to physically fight and interact with a world, not just soak a ton of blows because I spent $20 at game to have enough XP to get 100+ health points and be functionally immortal.

>> No.10101752

>>10101411
>should I just ignore and hope their ego eventually gets to a point where they feel safe admitting they took a hit, or try to hit harder?
Doing nothing is guaranteed to be the wrong choice.

First, find out (explicitly, not implicitly) if the leader/trainer of the training group agrees (or the majority if no such person exists). If so, it's as simple as saying "you have to shape up if you want to keep training here".

If not, talk to the guy yourself. Find out if he's cheating on purpose, genuinely clueless, or cheating without realizing it. There are a lot of larpers who uphold personal rules such as "hits that touched the blade first don't count", "hits you don't feel don't count", or "glancing hits don't count". I've even met someone who straight-up ignored every blow that didn't swing in a ninety-degree arc. These people probably won't even realize they're being dickish until someone points it out.

It might even turn out that your group likes such rules, and wants to implement the rule group-wide. It happened to mine: we practice with Calimacil swords with very flimsy crossguards, so we ignore hits caused by hitting "through" them.

>> No.10101977

>>10101752
I like calimacil's blades but epic armory has the better handles and crossguards. I wish they could work together

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Dumping some memes, check out LARP Shitposting on FB

I only intend to post drama causing and mean shit

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>> No.10102751

>>10102721
is that try to copy larp saltposting?
also these are so far pretty much meh...

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>>10102721
>Promoting a shitty Facebook meme group on
>Making shitty SpongeBob LARP memes
>Probably American

Is this you?

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meanwhile, during January we held a little contest here for some of the larpers about making a budget costume. The time limit was 4 weeks, and the price limit was 15000 huf which is roughly 53 usd. There were a few additional rules but generally you had to document everything so it can be recreated, also you couldn't use any very specific tool apart from a sewing machine so later completely new and even noob people can recreate it.
Here are four pic that from people who actually finished it in time

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>>10103182
also that guy made a cape from a skirt but I don't like it. Also let's not forget that boots are included in all of this

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>> No.10103189
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>>10103187
this guy was the best at the end even though the boots that he ordered for it online didn't arrive in time and when it arrived it wasn't the proper size

>> No.10103271

>>10103189
Really like the idea of a challenhe like this. Was getting lucky as hell at a thrift shop allowed?

>> No.10103276

>>10103271
yep allowed but you had to provide the address of said shot and stuff like that.
Also, materials that were "just lying at home" wasn't allowed unless you counted it for a price that others could get it from somewhere else.

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>>10103182
I'm digging that diagonal button layout! Might steal this idea for a thing I'm making.

>>10103184
The handlebar killed me. She's really cute, too

>>10103189
>mfw 25 ORA

>> No.10103717

>>10101092
I don't think LARP is about being a better person than you are irl?
Maybe that's what it is to you but i know a lot of people that do it to have fun acting out drama and interesting scenes, and to me at least, the physical aspect is a big part of that.

>> No.10103722

>>10101411
Get an axe, when they don't play out hits, flip it around to the hard side to assist him in acting. Works like a charm on Germans at least.

>> No.10103899

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>>10103897
>>10103897
>>10103897