/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10040459
Ew wtf is that
>t. newish fag

>>10040458
Thank you for this thread OP. Bless

>>10040459
They're fucking tea parties... they are a staple?!?!

>>10040592
anon they look like they need to BE stapled

>>10040592
Seconding >>10040594
Those things are at the edge of being functional anymore. Wearing them to a public event where you’re going to be seen by other lolitas was a mistake.

I don’t have a photo but here’s my confession:
>I’m a giant bitchy salt mine in private with my personal lolita friends but act reasonably cordial and supportive with my comm
> not actively trashing my comm/vendettas, just willing to completely tear an outfit apart for fun
> multiple babby lolitas in comm have tried friend requesting me out of the blue
> I am not the mentor you’re looking for

>>10040461
LOL I watched this thread and I was thinking that girl probably has mildew in her closets or something...

>>10040461
Its probably ur unwashed pussy and asshole bitch

>>10040604
where was it posted?

>>10040473
is this old or new? what region? I don't want her near my brando, she might think I'm too "rich".

>>10040637
The original was in a regional comm where people were, I think, rightfully offended that she claimed the city was making her clothes stink. Unless she sat in pee on the bus or something it's a pretty weird claim

>>10040473
What are plus size sections?

>>10040645
The original post was her steaming about skinny women shopping in the plus size or large sections in thrift shops
She specifically used the phrase "taking up space" which is hilarious to me because bitch they're thin they can't be taking up that much space!!
>>10040640
US but she's a lonelita again so it doesn't matter

>>10040640
Arizona

>>10040594
Haha oh shit
I didn't notice due to poor photo quality
Yeah that's pretty bad actually

>>10040650
>she's a lonelita again
Did her comm finally ditch her? Last time I heard they were mostly defending her shoplifting.

>>10040473
Looks like a man.

>>10040650
>tfw skinny but tall and wide
>tfw size L

Am I a monster to shop for clothes that fit me?

>>10040840
So, is she the mod of the sales comm still? What happened to her ass after that shitstorm?

>>10040643
It was from the sf comm.
It was an odd post from the start and I already knew what kind of shit show it was about to ensure.

>>10041005
Meant to put ensue at the end.

>>10040461
I’m dying, this is the same girl.

>>10041014
She posted this yesterday so we’re doing something right.

>>10040461
“simple question”

>>10041003
She is. I don't think anyone has talked to her about it but people know.

>>10041016
OT but this makes so much sense, whether you like this person or not. i get so tired of seeing people being like "i hate the lolita community SO I AM GOING TO STOP WEARING ALL MY CLOTHES FOREVER" like...no? just...don't interact with other lolitas?

>>10041035
I would be surprised if the entirety of her com doesn't know by now. She tried to slag the buyer off in her insta and changed her lace market description to say that she'd been "blacklisted everywhere" and that "her feedback should be negative." She's just drawing so much attention to her own shitty actions, idg how she's still the mod of the sales com.

>>10041018
What's wrong with this question??

>>10041035

She (or someone using her name, it was a newly made account) called her out on r/lolita about it.

>>10041120
I think it is due to the whole inserting of the city name and being way blunt on what they think the smells are. Compare to saying “since moving to the city I’ve started to notice my clothes have picked up strange smells and I’m wondering the best way to keep my stuff smelling fresher longer without putting to much stress on my stuff?”
The way the op put it basically saying this city is disgusting and I smell piss and shit on the streets and now my clothes smell like when I’m away from it.

>>10041172
>The way the op put it basically saying this city is disgusting and I smell piss and shit on the streets and now my clothes smell like when I’m away from it.

Well but what if that is true? Why shouldn't she tell that

>>10040637
It was from the SF comm. the whole thing was an elaborate way for her to humblebrag that she just moved to Nob Hill (a wealthy area that might have been trendy in the 90s but is now just full of old people)

>>10041174
She can say what she wants, but people can and will take offense to their city being perceived that way by someone who hasn't lived there before. Casts negativity on the city that is most likely unwarranted

>>10041174
The thing is, it’s not true (SF has grosser areas, but unless this bitch is actually sitting in piss somewhere, the smells aren’t going to “cling”). This girl decided that one of her first interactions with her new comm would be to tell them their city makes her burando smell bad and is now crying because she didn’t make any friends by it. She deserves 100% of the dragging she’s getting, learn some social skills bitch.

>I’m 1000 miles from SF but jfc, man

>>10041014
Wanna share a "more you know" moment I've recently come across; So apparently pleather and leather have the relatively same carbon foot print. If you go brand by brand, they then can be "much better" or "much worse" on either end. Basically it comes down to this; Leather has the issue of animal suffering attached to it and pleather, once produced, never bio-degrades and so perminately adds to the plastic in landfills. Also; leather can be made "safely" but most producers choose cheaper methods which are more harmful to the leather workers handling the materials. Meanwhile pleather produces off-gasses that pollute the air around the factory.

So next time a vegan rants about the evils of leather in broad, general terms; remind them that it's a muddy grey zone where neither category of materials is inherently better.
(sorry about that, but i'm tried of girls at meets bragging about their super ethical lolita accessories)

>>10041163
Good and Good.

>>10041183
You forgot that you need to replace pleather bags more often. And leather is a byproduct from the meat industry, you're not helping the cows by not buying it. They'll still die since world meat consumption is increasing over time.

>>10041120
Part of it is that she's being ridiculous, SF doesn't really have a smell (esp compared to, say, Tacoma), and part of it is that she actually smells not-awesome IRL because she doesn't eat

>>10041204
>>10041183
These are facts! Consider her vegan pussy canceled, sis

>>10041045
If an attentionwhore shits in the woods without getting validation from other lolitas, does it make a sound?

>>10041014
Wait is she saying moitie uses fur?

>>10040458

I hate the whole concept of this shit. I've had people defend it to no end and I can't help but laugh at people criticizing cosplayers' spending habits and then flipping shit just "because it's brand"and wasting 800+ on a cosplay dress. I love you AATP, but man, people are stupid.

>>10041259
No person who buys this is going to make it look good, FAX

>>10041259
I'm out of the loop so I don't know what's up with this dress but it doesn't look horrible or anything to me...? I actually like it, apart from the decorations on the bodice which kind of look tacky.

>>10041377
It's a Princess Serenity dress. The details on the bodice are meant to look like her dress.

>>10041259
I have a confession to make about this dress. Thank you for posting it.

I secretly love that AatP only made this dress in one size. I saw the dress posted on tumblr and went through the tags and comments and it was dozens of planets complaining "I need this!!!1! but it's never gonna fit me a bloobloo". I smiled every time I saw another fattie cry about never having it. I smiled every time I saw a poor fattie whine about the price and size. I love having dresses that only fit thinner people. I want something sacred, just for me, something I can be proud to have and flaunt just a little because I worked hard for it. AatP is my favourite designer brand and I love what it means to have pieces from them.

>>10041385
honestly it looks like you don't even have to be that thin to fit this dress, so imagine how fat those posters are

A long time ago a veteran helped me fix my petticoat. He was extremely kind the entire time and even joined me on a few panels. However its grown into some kind of fetish and its like a dark spider web of kinks that keep pricking at my mind...

>>10041389
Go on...

>>10041396
Well its like... He had really rough hands that felt... Weird but alluring? He was charming but humble and held a conversation extremely well. It got scary for a moment when someone started creeping on me and he switched on Killer mode and ran the creeper off but it made my stomach get weird butterflies. I've been having random dreams since then where he seduces me or im an enemy female soldier and he captures me, or like I'll think of his smell and I get goosebumps. But the smell only seems to stick to soldiers or veterans, like spice and gunpowder mixed with oil and flesh.

>>10041389
>>10041416
>i'm totally a lolita and also a girl u guise

>>10041183
Then dont buy neither.

>>10041416
>>10041389
This sounds familiar

>>10041301
I cannot WAIT to see the shitty coords that come from buying this overpriced piece though, ngl.

I respect some degree of nostalgiafaggotry, but honestly I know too many people buying into this shit and going broke. 90% of collabs to revive some old anime or movies (looking at you, Disney) look like shit and pander to a crowd that seeks to just set their wallets on fire. Not considering you could have just commissioned this dress for a fraction of the price if you wanted to cosplay so badly.

>>10041385
Amen to that. Owning brand also helps me prevent becoming a fattychan. The day I don't fit into my brand shit is the day i'll kms.

And i feel that too, I love my fat friends but at the same time I was the person bullied for being too thin and so it's a very pretty middle finger to display in this culture that glorifies obesity. Let skinny bitches enjoy things, stop making them share their cake with fatfucks who clearly don't need anymore

>>10041435
ayrt
I feel the same about my fat friends, and I enjoy empowering them to love themselves by telling them I like how they look, because I do. I feel like my thoughts on fatties change because in the tumblr situation, you have a person condemning or crying over a thing because of their size, and in my situation, my fat friends respect me the same way I respect them. We don't cry about clothing sizes, especially not here in North America where there are stores that cater solely to fat people. I think there are cute things in those stores but I don't whine about not fitting, so why should I put up with whining about smaller clothes?
I used to be too lardy for brand and now I keep myself thin enough for most brand pieces (can't help my height). It boggles the mind to hear an obese person go on about how hard it is to lose weight and how brand should cater to their bad eating habits. No, Jan, put the fork in a salad more often, and then whine to me about how hard your life is. I'd love more brand for tallies like me, but I am not average, so I'll hold my tongue.

>>10041385
Typical gull, this isn't a confession. You're common around here.

I saved this a while back and think about it wistfully from time to time.

Please Santa...

>>10041459
F'real though

>>10041176
lolling at the serendipity of this woman living in a place called nob hill

>>10041385

Oh. I'm not skinny but I bought the dress in >>10041259. It's half shirred so my guess is all those fatties you see stuffing themselves into half-shirred AP would probably also try to fit into this (and that's not covering hamplanets who try to squeeze into everything anyway).

The ones crying "abloobloo never gonna fit" are probably covering that they're poorfags or were just never gonna spend money anyway, I don't think they actually care whether or not they fit, they just needed an excuse to whine that they're not buying it.

No comment on the cosplayers thing though. I buy a lot of Disney collabs and Disney stuff from Secret Honey so it's not like I have a lot of room to criticise when I'm dropping 20k yen on all of the cosplay dresses.

>>10041120
Girls who live in sf got butt hurt because they spend thousands of dollars a month to live in a literal shit hole

>>10041174

I have taken public transport in Chicago in lolita (and let's be real, it's dirty af) and I have never encountered this issue. Bitch is lying about why her clothes smell like piss and shit.

>>10041503 >>10041505
The only time my clothes ever smelled like that while in sf was I got roped into helping a disabled homeless person to a public bathroom. They didn't have a cane or anything and had a bad limp, so I helped them to a building that had a restroom on the first floor by the front door. Their smell lingered on me, but jesus, one wash and it was gone. Unless she is rubbing or touching things on the street that smell doesn't end up on you for no reason.

>>10041511
My shoes stink for a few days after getting home from the city, not normally my clothes but they go straight to the wash. My carr however... that's another story. It's always gross for a while after a visit.

>>10041377
>>10041259
It's funny because I saw a non stock photo of this and it looked awful. The promo photos make it look so much better than it really does

>>10041447
Yeah, I sympathize more with tall lolitas struggling over dress lengths being too short on them more so than fat people crying that they can't fit brand. A lot of brand has been catering to fatter people so I agree with you; it's not discrimination to make clothes for a certain demographic. It's a pointless argument - even while Japanese consider lolita a fat girl fashion, their perception of fat is much different from a westerner's. But we can more or less agree that once X's or sizes start going into american 15+ territory - you're not "thicc" or "big boned" - you're fat. And not every brand will cater to you.

>>10041498
Really? I was told this dress was available as a MTO that was in the 800+ territory. Was that a lie then? hahahah

I dont have an image but consider this an open letter to someone im getting tired of :

>please stfu about all your “”illnesses”” and how your husband buys so much lolita for you yet your closet is almost entirely bodyline. There’s nothing brag-worthy about having a wardrobe full of walmart. You literally make every conversation about yourself and it’s exhausting. Maybe you’re autistic but there’s no way you’re in your 30’s and still don’t understand socially acceptable interactions.

>>10041571
Can you read? They were talking about the Secret Honey dresses, the Secret Honey collabs are 20,000 yen.

>>10041183
Thank you, I'm gonna remember this next time my vegetarian friend comes whining to me.
I once got shit for wearing wool instead of polyester, wtf?

>>10041204
Cows going to be eaten don't usually pass for leather use, sadly. I wish they would because I don't mind a scar from a bug bite on my shoes but I don't want to support the leather producing. This is a really hard question.

>>10041571

This >>10041576

The Sailormoon dress is 70~80k yen.

It's the Secret Honey collab dresses that usually run around ~20k yen. These aren't even accurate cosplay dresses, they're just Disney-themed casual dresses.

The actual "cosplay" dresses from Secret Honey generally run closer to 40~80k yen. Pic related is ~60k yen. There's a Belle ballgown dress and some of the other gowns ran closer to ~100k yen, including a few of the accurate wedding dresses. idk, cosplayers are free to spend what they want I guess. I generally buy Secret Honey because it's easy, I know what quality to expect rather than buying from some unknown chinese shop, and barring the fixed-size onepieces most pieces do fit me.

For what it's worth I only bought the Sailormoon dress after a friend saw it in person at La Foret and wouldn't shut up about how pretty it was and how she wished there wasn't any glass around it so she could get a closer look at the underlayer with the gold (?) print. idk, I'm just hoping it fits over my boobs okay and I don't have to tailor the top.

I hate poorfags I guess

The constant complaining about the cost of lolita and I guess even cosplay, is all half the community talks about.

It's hard to have any meaningful discussion or make friends with similar interests when it all gets flooded out by people who don't own a full coordinate because their budget or sizes or culture doesn't allow it. I mean, why are you even in a lolita group if your only input, is why you can't wear lolita?

If you actually do your research and have patience, you can find good deals and get nice dresses for 2000 yen. Maybe not the specific print or colorway you were hoping for but you can at least wear the god damn fashion or resell it to another moron like yourself and get the one you actually want.

It's strange to me that most high fashion communities I have seen aren't also this way, crying about how a dolce & gabbana shirt is $500 and the dress they want is $2000. The cost of lolita is a joke in comparison and yet we are overrun by incompetent people with no jobs or work ethic to afford the fashion, let alone the taste and appreciation for quality to assemble something that the public at large wouldn't scoff at.

The absence of precious burando has forced some people to incorporate pieces from their normal wardrobe, which, if they had good taste, would be an interesting experimentation that could even start a new trend! but instead we almost inevitably end up with itas, and if the coord was different in a good way, the volume of people with poor judgement would result in a majority vote of "This is not loli!" or some such nonsense. The community is more often than not embarrassing to be a part of.

>>10041591
I technically count as a poor fag. I think the issue is that the complainers are used to forever 21 and aliexpress. They don't understand why clothes that are not mass produced and are catered for a niche would be expensive and refuse to understand. A lot of these people don't even like lolita for the fashion itself, they use it as a way to be that kawaii girl they saw on instagram or to be a part of a community that makes them feel like a unique snowflake. The price of lolita and sizing prevents them from living their fantasy because they think they are entitled to it despite usually having bad spending habbits and being fat as fuck.

God I fucking hate scalpers. Those WW lots could have gone to a newbie, someone with a small wardrobe or someone who'd be really happy about it. Not to your greedy fat ass. I am so very close to boycotting these kind of sellers to make them fuck off.

>>10041630
I boycot them, honestly let's start a boycott.

>>10041578
And the source for your data is what? I work with leather pretty often and have met several tannery owners. Cowhides tend to be in excess of 50 sq feet and patterns are placed around any scars (except for a few designers who like to include them). The leather called "box calf" (which I refuse to work with) comes from the same cows used to make veal. It's not very economically feasible to waste 2000 lbs of cow for every 50 sq feet of leather.

>>10041630
Honestly Rainies gets a lot of cute stuff, and I'll be tempted for a second before I notice who is selling them. Then it doesn't matter what it is or what the price is, I refuse to even think about buying it. Same for the other scalpers, it just seems that Rainies buys up stuff that's my aesthetic.

>>10040602
This is me, but I don't mind offering advice as well. I just have a harsher opinion of it to my closest friends in private, but if someone's willing to improve I'll find a nice way of giving concrit to their faces.

>>10041704
Fuck I feel this. Cherry sp has a pair of socks that I've been looking for forever and it's really. Hard. I'm bitter bc I need those socks but they're overpriced and it's a fucking scalper

>>10041704
Is Rainies really a scalper? Her prices don't seem that high to me. But I'm a newbie so maybe I'm wrong.

>>10041713
Yeah I know she scalps, but her prices are no different then other sellers, and she has good feedback.

>>10041422
That is a completely valid option. I was just talking about people who've developed a superiority complex over buying "vegan-friendly" options out of ego instead of a genuine interest in what they preach.

>>10041577
Again, polyester isn't automatically "better" then wool. I'd argue it's an even more ambiguous material because sheep can often have a very good quality of life, depending on the farm.

>>10041578
Agreed. The moral / ethical questions around clothing and fashion accessory material is not simple. If all leather came exclusively from meat industry byproduct that would instead change the dynamics and we'd have to re-assess it all over again.

>>10041686
Thank you for those numbers. I'm gonna keep them in mind as a general reference.

>>10041704
I use to really avoid scalpers. But what Always gets me is that I've been literally lied to / scammed by several reasonably-priced deals AND YET everytime I've bought from the scalpers I've paid too much but have gotten exactly what I wanted. It really messes with you; I don't want to support their pricing, but they technically treat me better as a customer then a lot of more fair-price sellers.

>>10041720
There's proof of her not disclosing all the imperfections.

>>10041713
>>10041734
Yes, she sells scalped items from mercari , yahoo and frill literally how she received them. One time she sold a dress with really yellowed lace and wrote that it looks natural. She often doesn't mention missing parts and stains.
Here are the past threads about her and other scalpers/resellers: >>/cgl/thread/S9823678
>>/cgl/thread/S9961797
There are also some secrets about them but I can't find them rn.

>>10041733
This. Every time I've been scammed by someone it was always from the fair priced sellers on my local sales page. They then get extremely defensive when you tell them the issues.

>>10041630
I have a list I use full of sellers I won't buy from. I hate people who do this. I wish other people wouldn't as well, because someone is supporting their stupid "business".

>>10041742
Wait, is the SS Muuh the same person as Rainies?

>>10041746
No, Muuh SS is a shopping service. She bought it for Rainies.

>>10041630
I refuse to buy from anybody I know to be a scalper or if I suspect they are. I would absolutely join a boycott because it genuinely makes my blood boil. Especially with the cheap Wunderwelt lots, if I bought one it would be for my own wardrobe- and I'd rather people who are just passionate about lolita and not about making a profit have all those pieces to enjoy for themselves.

Lolita Amino posted their version of behind the bows earlier. Something about the Vermont comm?

>>10041875
basically this >>10040052

Wow you weren't kidding about the mods OP, anyone else notice a handful of innocuous posts missing

>>10041591
poor fag here, I used to have a job, but I was injured earlier this year that prevents me from doing any work, but I still manage to get nice shit.

Even before I became poor fag, I would never purchase anything over $100. I don't understand people who whinge that they can't afford burando, when my whole wardrobe, bar some bodyline and taobao blouses, is secondhand brand. IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD OR EXPENSIVE! I think they either have no idea where to shop, or want things that they can't afford. I have cheap brand stuff for sale on LM, and while its not holy fucking lantern, it's not ugly!

I guess my point is, I am a poor fag who uses that to my advantage, and those who don't are just plain fucking stupid.

TL;DR: I agree with you

Confession because it's been tearing me apart:

My life has really gone down the toilet the last few years, and as a result I haven't really worn lolita in what feels like forever.

Multiple members of my immediate and extended family have either died or been diagnosed with late-stage, terminal illnesses. Two of them right around the time I started my first "real" job, which was far away and stressful enough on its own. I couldn't handle everything and had a bit of a breakdown, quit, and moved home to my family, who are mostly poor. In the months after I got home, I spent what little savings I had and even had to sell most of my valuables, including ~90% of my lolita wardrobe.

I haven't been able to get a single decent paying job since then, even though I've tried in 3 different cities. Job hunting has left me feeling like a worthless idiot, and every job I do get slowly eats away at me until I physically or mentally can't take it anymore. I wouldn't be able to afford to live if it weren't for the fact that my boyfriend makes decent money and pays for our apartment. No matter how much I try to cut back, it never seems to make a difference. We already live frugally and don't eat out or buy things we don't need-- I "splurged" on a few used books and new bb cream for my birthday this year.

It probably sounds like a bunch of whining, but it really sucks to feel like I'm running on a hamster wheel all the time, getting nowhere. I've worked my ass off for the last 20 years trying to escape the fate of my family, and yet here I am. I don't even want to be rich or not have to work, I just want a professional job where I can afford food, pay my bills, go to the therapist, and have a tiny bit extra at the end of the month so that I can save up for a dress or a meet up here and there.

I don't even feel beautiful or confident enough to go out in the pieces I still own. If I really want to dress up I just put on my old favorite dress and sit in my apartment.

>>10041630
rhijia is also a scalper. They are apparently "leaving lolita" and have been for about 3 years, but keeps acquiring new things from other sellers to re-sell at higher prices.

They bought something from me, and I found it with my description copy and pasted, from my personal "never worn, by myself, second owner" etc to my damn terms and conditions and the fact that I had a cat.

I asked them to make their own description, and they told me I don't own the words I wrote in my description, but I feel if you copy paste someones description, you aren't being honest to the buyer.

Avoid this cunt.

>>10041958
Damn, are you me anon?

I really hope things get better for you. I know he worked hard to get where he is, but sometimes I think it's unfair that the world favors men, especially in the career world. It's so frustrating being passed over and/or not being taken seriously for better paying positions.

to be fair, the economy is in a shithole, and our corporate and government overlords aren't doing jack to adapt to the changes. As it was throughout history, the rich are getting richer while the rest of us are digging a hole and pitting against each other.

sometimes I wonder what good it does contacting my representatives :/

do you plan on going back to school?

>>10041969
shit I meant to clarify that I was referring to my boyfriend, but I'm sure it might apply to yours.

/sage

>>10041709
are you me?

>>10041969
Honestly I will probably never be able to afford to go back to school. Few things that interests me would be a good return on investment, and I can barely afford to repay the debt I have now, much less take on more.

I try not to complain about it and mostly just hide away, but this time of year is always hard for me. Thanks for reading.

>>10041958
work smarter, not harder.

if you want a professional job, seek practical training that gets you certifications. Or bite the bullet and go for unpaid internships - since your bf supports you he most likely will encourage you to do something that will add to your resume/professional profile.

I get it man. Life is hard af. But you can string sentences together and reach out thru here, so you are capable of doing things. Sometimes you're going to have to be your own life coach. Get with a workforce also; don't look for jobs by yourself. There's literally people who's job it is to help you find a job. Take advantage of it.

Re-evaluate your resume and professional references. Go to your local library and rent out books that will help you become more articulate and demonstrate a stronger presence - companies want people that can be molded to suit their needs but have enough backbone to take punches and keep going. You can do this.

>>10041241
>Her melty chocolate business done, the young woman muttered a prayer common among her people: "Nooooo concrit..."

Good confession(?) not really sure what thread would be best to post this in

I'm obsessed with classical piano motifs. Especially if they are only pink and white with no black. Ive been able to collect three of my all time favorite bags and ugh, Im just so happy. I love going and just looking at them in my closet and adoring them.

If you like this motif as well I recommend the 2008 bags over the 2010 one. The 2008 ones are more of the sturdy material. But the recital bag is super delicate. Im happy to have it but I cant wear it without fear of it falling apart even more.

>>10041591
I often incorporate non-lolita pieces to my lolita coords, and vice-versa. For example i enjoy wearing a turtleneck sweater with a lolita skirt, with lolita accessories and a vintage jacket.

But unfortunately, as you said
>the volume of people with poor judgement would result in a majority vote of "This is not loli!" or some such nonsense.
And if it didn't come up to be nice, I couldn't get any intersting advices to improve my coord, but silly things like "you can buy lolita blouses/jackets for cheap on bodyline!"

>>10042102
It sounds like you are the one with poor judgement. Nothing wrong with wearing lolita pieces in normie outfits but if you go around calling it lolita, people are probably gonna call you out/assume you're new.

turtlenecks and ugly, ill-fitting/unfashionable jackets (bonus if they're leather or something a grandma would wear) are such staples of itas who are trying to tone down their lolita pieces. and it just ends up looking really dowdy or mismatched most of the time. Its a common mistake, as it really takes very keen coordination skills to make offbrand pieces work in a coord.

>>10042121
Nayrt, but I also incorporate turtle necks. However, I was already into high/alt fashion before lolita and have many turtlenecks/blouses in many styles and colours to match each "coord". I think for most people an interest in fashion and style came after their discovery of Lolita instead of before it, which is why we see so many girls in a prolonged state of ita; they just can't seem to figure out casual or full coords.

>>10041259
>>10041385
>>10041498
This dress doesn't even look that small--It's almost hanging off the model. I'm a fatty chan but this isn't my taste anyway (shit that splits the difference between fashion and cosplay bothers me--if you want to dress like a certain character, then go balls-to-the-wall and do it faithfully with a cosplay, don't drag a lolita dress into it). But I could totally see my chunky sistren trying to squeeze into this because there are a lot of fat SM fans out there. And when it happens, I fully expect the gulls here to post them to the ita thread so we can all trash on the parade of barely-restrained flesh.

>Confession: I hate watching other fatties destroy lolita clothing. I'm not talking about well-done alterations that make the dress fit, those are fine; I'm talking about chunkies with no self-awareness who squeeze themselves into these poor dresses to the point that the shirring pops and they're rippling and nearly bursting at the seams. They give too much fuel to the skinny bitch camp that says lolita will never be for fatties and never look good on fatties.

>>10042127
Fellow fattychan and i completely agree with your green text.

And ngl lolita feels like one of the better fashions for heavier girls. It hides a lot of your body and isnt revealing in any way. And once you know what does/doesn't work and what brands cater to what, it's so easy to shop around. Girls are completely bullshitting when they say they cant get into the fashion because of their weight or bust size
>maybe unless you're like 600lb life tier fat

>>10041967
I completely agree with you. Doesn't matter that you don't "own" the words. What matters is that they are being dishonest and that's scamming people for sure.

>>10041743
this boggles my mind; the fact that they feel entitled to get defensive when they KNOWINGLY ripped you off.

what, am I supposed to sit down and take it when I spend my hard-earned money on an item thinking it is going to be in the condition listed in the description, only to find that I have spent way more on an item in such shitty condition than I ever would have had I known all the flaws it truly had? you have no right to get defensive, bitch - you know you did wrong and you need to deal with the consequences. that's part of life - it's called personal fucking responsibility

>>10042263
t. found a stain on a dress and wants a 50% refund

>>10042133
That's not even an excuse anymore; Dollbe makes dresses literally for people that big.

I wish AP would stop putting shirring on everything.

>>10042302
yeah, no, i'm not a bitch who would do that - that's absurd.

i have bought items described as "NEW, NEVER USED" before that were peeling, scuffed up, faded, stained - none of this mentioned in the listing; and dresses with several loose buttons, stains and missing accessories that were never mentioned.

sorry if I touched a nerve, but as a seller, you're not entitled to money for a product that isn't in the condition described. overlooking a small flaw is only human and forgivable - that's no big deal. but when you can't be assed to check an item thoroughly and disclose flaws that affect the condition to the buyer, then that's just wrong.

i'm not saying you can't civilly message a seller with your complaints - i'm not recommending being a belligerent asshole at all, i'm just ranting on anon. someone should just own up to their mistakes and try to make things right if they can. that doesn't mean a "50% refund for a small stain," it means a reasonable agreement.

>>10041180
SF is disguising tho, anon. I used to live there and it smells like exhaust, urine, and garbage in most places. Have you ever been to another major city before? LA and SF are two of the nastiest places around.

If anything, the butthurt SF lolitas only made it more apparent how far their heads are up their own asses since they think they live in the best city in the world.

>>10042323
As a tall AP fan, I thoroughly disagree
Though some of it is getting way too much

>>10042458
even sacramento and san jose smell worse and they're much smaller

>>10042053

>>10042323
I like it it as long as there are corset lacing and waist ties. You can make it go smaller and fit better than unshirred dresses

So no secrets this week?

>>10042582
Most unshirred dresses fit me more comfortably than shirred dresses.
I'm okay with some partial shirring with corset lacing, but when you make the whole thing shirred or the whole back shirred, it's just annoying. Keep fatties out of lolita, for fucks sake.

>>10042868
I always dread that some week will be the week that nothing gets submitted and bring about the end of the secrets. Maybe that's this week?

>>10042879
I had to sell on a lot of AP because of the shirring making it enormous and shapeless. I have a few pieces from SouffleSong that fit beautifully, but I suppose they do offer several different sizes which probably helps.

I don't understand people who say you must like the whole lolita fashion, from the beggining to most recent releases. Old-school looks so different to modern day lolita it may as well be a different fashion. I see how someone could love old Angelic Pretty, yet hate prints, and vice versa, but if you look at discussions about old-school, it's always a shit show.

>>10041769
The worst thing is, she doesn't even wash or iron them before scalping them. She literally just put them up stained out of the package for 4x the original price.

>>10042121
you sound unfun

Secrets are up! Praise be

>>10042974
The salt was plentiful. Cheers, gulls!

I never thought I'd say this, but I miss shitty 2012 tumblr styles, creepy cute, amo wigs, the rise of legitimate j-fashions other than lolita, taobao threads in their heyday, tumblr being the main j-fashion social media and everyone and their mother blasting kyary on their page. Back then I thought it couldn't get worse but now I feel nostalgic.

>>10042974
Limping along still, I guess.

>>10040458
Test

>>10043001
I miss the original roots of larme kei. It makes me nostalgic for some reason even though it's not that old.

>>10040602
I have this with babylitas who are pro-inclusivity and/or have relative low self esteem. Like, I'm not a mean person, I do my best to be nice, but I have pretty strong opinions and a lot are very harsh and not exactly pro-inclusivity, nor let's all be friend mentality.

I try to help if I can, I try to be nice, I'm always honest but I don't talk about my opinions unless it's actually relevant and try to say it as well worded as I can without making it seem less than I think it is. But these are the kind of people I know will get their feelings hurt by befriending me if they see my conversations with people, let alone if they ask me advice. I'm way too harsh, direct, and willing to point out anything that can be conceited to keep them happy.

>>10042036
NYART but I just wanted to say, I'm also a lolita in a major slump and this got me thinking about my future again. Thanks a million anon. For real. Happy to listen to any more advice you have on getting back into adult life after a long time out

>>10041578
If you care, you can look for the brands that do care about the source. It's a bit more price but they generally list where the leather comes from. Shoes start around 175, bags around 400. I know some European brands work together with farms (in the richer countries, because the cows are treated quite well here so marks are minimum and quality is quite good unlike the skin of half dead cows farmed in poor countries for leather). Often they use pig skin for lining, as its soften and thinner without killing poor little calfs.

Sadly, I don't know lolita brands that make stuff.

>>10042458
Ah yes, you should always move to a new place and tell all the locals how terrible it is.

You sound autistic.

>>10041591
I've been a poor fag for many years and I'm still not rich at all (altrough I'm not poor anymore either), but I totally agree. I wish people could just either save up and then buy stuff, or stay away. That time can immidiently be spend on research and thinking what you really want to own.

The fashion is a luxury hobby. If you're so poor you can't save up you should have different priorities. If you can save up, do so before you post photos online. Being poor doesn't say you can't develop a sense of what looks good and what not. I would think that someone who knows what's it's like to have little money would value each coin more and think about what they buy because they can't buy something like that as easily, but instead we indeed end up with tasteless itas who do nothing but complain about not being able to afford some god damn luxury fashion.

Honestly, I have harsh feelings for poorfags who keep on complaining, even more so if they look bad while doing so. You won't die without it, it's luxury. Those kind of people are the reason poorfags have a bad name, while they could take their knowledge of knowing what's it's like to have nothing or near nothing in their advantage too. But if they got time to cry on social media so much, I'm inclined to believe it's their own fault their staying poor. Life ain't fair, and if your born in a less privileged place, you need to work harder to get somewhere. Crying ain't gonna fix your life beside for a lucky few. There are way more productive ways to spend your time. If you would worry about that instead of luxury fashion you refuse to save up for I would be able to take venting it off better as well.

>>10041969
>sometimes I think it's unfair that the world favors men
Honestly, where at a point where I got multiple scouts and job offers just because I'm a woman and they want to make a qoutum or look good and I'm god damn over it. I want to be hired because of my skills, not because of my vagina. I'm literally refusing any job offer I suspect of this, because it annoys the crap out of me. I wish these feminist movement would calm down because it feels like that's the thing making me a number because now they need a certain amount of woman in a field where simply mainly men are interested in. Even I can notice a lot of woman are added for "having more woman" while being clearly less fitted than the guys I work with, with a few exceptions. And still they complain they need to cater to more woman. Fucking stop, you can't change people's interest nor skill. Just hire the best regardless of gender, and stop adding people who are less qualified but look good on your numbers and marketing because you look so inclusive and with modern views on gender.

Sorry, unrelated but I needed to rant. This really gets to me.

>>10042121
Turtleneck aren't bad. The right turtlenecks can look great in lolita. Even brands make them specifically for casual lolita. But that's the issue I think. Itas with no sense of style see that, and think they can just wear any cheap turtleneck they buy with a lolita skirt and be good. And that's not how coording works. There are many types of turtlenecks. And you need the right shape in the right size, colour, and material for it to work.

Also, hate to the use of normie cardigans by many itas, extra hate for fat itas who wouldn't even be able to close said cardigan properly. It seems a common "too poor/fat to buy lolita stuff" ita staple as well.

>>10042892
Soufflé song is pretty crappy tho. The only reason the stuff I saw from them fits okay is because the fabric is cheap synthetic that's somewhat stretchy so it shapes to your body.

>>10042458
yeah sf is nasty but it doesn’t “cling” to my clothes jesus
that girl must have a hygiene problem

>>10043248
>I just wish more stuff was fitted for feminine roundings. I'm tall and I can life with the length. But god dam it give me something that doesn't rise in the front as soon as you're not flat. It's always so saddening when you buy brand, the measurements fit in theory but the garment still raises because there isn't enough curve in the pattern to accommodate anything more than a B cup.

>>10043238
Do you ever think why are mostly men interested in it? Why aren't women? We're taught from a young age anon and if young girls don't have role models, they won't think it's possible. There's just a larger pool of men to select from, of course you're more likely to find some of them better.

>>10043253
Maybe because there are factual differences between men and woman, and even tho they don't make one worse than the other, it does make that some stuff is more liked by woman, and some is more liked by man. Similarly, some things men are naturally better at, some woman are naturally better at. None is ultimately better than the other, but there are biological differences, both physical as mental.

Sure, there are exceptions, people who don't fit the typical picture, but those can get in fine when you hire based on skill. And those show that woman who fit in can work there. You don't need a qoutum of a certain amount for that. Next to that, most of my role models are men, because I admire their accomplishments. I'm just getting annoyed at the fact that I see a lot of woman being treated better and with lighter standards, and still they complain all the fucking time they are treated less well than men. And don't you dare to mention their work is subpar, they only get madder saying you just say it because they're woman. I just wish they would fuck off about this shit. Indeed, more man to choice from makes a higher change a men is best choice. So it's logic you mainly see men. That shouldn't be bothersome. It never bother me when looking at my future. It makes perfect sense. This "more woman" thing is making me feel like I'm just a thing for a number to them, instead of a worthy employee equal in value to them compared to the others. It does the opposite of what it should, and the only woman I spoke with in real life that disagree are, guess what, the ones who would never have gotten a job if it wasn't for "wanting more woman".

Where I normally saw few woman but I knew they where as good as others, I now doubt woman I see until I can notice they actually deserve to be there for their skills because most of them are just hired for qoutums and making the company look good. How is that helping anyone?

>>10043238
i don't know if you're american or a westerner, but if you are this is applicable to everything. there are diversity quotas. if we got rid of those, the vast majority of people who get skill intensive jobs/high ranking schools would be white jews or asian men

>>10042879
I agree to a point, I love a lot of my unshirred dresses. But I can't stand when dresses are fixed size and don't at least have corset lacing or waist ties. They always fit baggy or not quite right for me. I think quarter shirring helps make dresses look fitted as long as you aren't too thin for the size.

Agree on the full back shirring though, it looks terrible on most people. Fatties, the front of the dress doesn't go far enough. Too thin, it's saggy. It is really hard to look good in unless the cut is just right for your height

>>10043214
Haha that's not even what happened tho. Touched a nerve I see, enjoy your 2000k a month closet with hobo pee on your doorstep.

>>10043378
Nayrt, but that’s literally exactly what happened. In the post in the SF comm she said “I just moved here” and proceeded to trash the city with her (incidentally, incorrect) perceptions of it leaving smells on her burando.

People were actually extremely nice about it at first, offering her a few ways to save face and get out of a bad introductory post, but she doubled down and decided to die on that hill. She deserves what she got.

Is it just me or is this bitch really rude and has a mean girls attitude? I’ve been seeing her comment snarky shit on people’s pictures on COF. INB4 sore you got posted!!! Nah just a lurker and I got irked seeing her childish comments

>>10043250
Who are you quoting???

>>10043724
Sorry snowflake, but I like her.

>>10043724
I mean, she says what everyone else is thinking. We need "bitches" like her in the community desu

>>10041709
AYRT, I am completely capable of giving gentle concrit when asked; these women are just "lolitas need to be lovelies uwu" types. I feel as though any attempt to form a personal friendship with them would end terribly.
>>10041713
She buys things in bulk/from japanese sites/etc and immediately tries to sell them for more than she paid. All the positive reviews are because she mostly targets newbies, who aren't as well-versed in scouring japanese shopping sites/don't know any better.
The western market is also relatively expensive in comparison to what you can get overseas.

>>10041869
This is the kind of quality content I'm here for.

>>10043742
>She buys things in bulk/from japanese sites/etc and immediately tries to sell them for more than she paid.
This is probably the single best thing I learnt from cgl ever lol. I'm so glad I didn't buy that dress from her in the end. We live in the same country and I always check(ed) her page. I thought her prices weren't the best but it's so easy to buy from someone who lives in your own country... Well, I'll look elsewhere I guess.

A lot of my dresses are too big for me. I have to layer a lot to get them to fit so I don't look like I'm a young 1880s boy in makeup wearing a burando tent. All the fattychans in my comm loudly complain at every meetup about their dresses not fitting, but they get so whiny when non-planets try to join the discussion.

I try not to be judgmental about body types, but they whine so much and then proceed to overeat at meetups, so it doesn't seem like they try to lose weight. I wonder if they get upset that thin people can at least wear the fashion without destroying their clothes?

>>10044016
the whole "haha kill me, I gained so much weight" "x doesn't fit me anymore" conversation is so tired and awkward and yet, I swear I hear it every single meet

>>10044020
My weight used to fluctuate a lot and I've never been too big to fit something before. Maybe I just buy smarter - I buy what I know can fit me?

>>10043724
>>10043734
>>10043740
Who was this about? I missed it.

>>10044020
Or the classic discussion of the diets they're on that they never seem to stick to. No one can even suggest that if they made an effort and worked out, they would actually lose weight. Because that would hurt their *~*feelings*~*.
>>10044022
Weight fluctuation is usually within a range, too. Putting on 40+lbs of fat takes a lot of time of not doing anything about the weight gain.

>>10044020
>>10044022
>>10044027
>t. never experienced the devastation hormonal birth control can wreak on a mismatched body chemistry

count your blessings girls

>>10044030
This is a thing and it happens (happened to a friend of mine, wrecked her body, very sad), but it's so rare.

>>10044030
I can totally understand that as being a genuine issue that people can't do anything about, really. What bothers me is that if someone who isn't fat joins the discussion about fitting or not fitting dresses, the treatment is totally different.

If someone loses weight (even if they don't mean to) and their dresses get to be too big, it's apparently fine to dismiss them and say "oh, I wish I had that problem". But those same people get upset if you don't give them asspats for not being able to squeeze into their dream dress.

>>10044034
Its not actually rare at all, its a relatively common side effect for most hormonal birth controls

>>10044034
>>10044044
Gaining weight directly because of birth control is entirely false and has been discredited over and over again. Girls keep using it as a cop out. If you gain weight on BC, it just means you're emotional eating and can't curb your cravings for fatty, sugary things.

>>10044045
>hormonal birth control
>making you crave things and behave differently than you normally would
>resulting in weight gain
>"entirely false"
Do you even listen to yourself

>>10044048
Keyword is directly.

>>10044048
You do realize there's more than one BC option out there
You don't need to put yourself through terrible side effects. More than one thing works.
But if you aren't self-aware enough to recognize cravings/do something about sudden weight gain, then you aren't self-aware enough to change a BC that obviously isn't working for you.

>>10041586
that's not worth anything but a laugh from me, especially if you end up getting the top tailored desu. This might be a revolutionary idea to you: get less shitty friends that push you into impulse-buying shit. Or even better. Don't blame your friends for your purchases, admit you wanted an overpriced cosplay burando dress. Good luck not getting posted in the ita thread later

>>10044034
ayrt, it's not that rare. I've known half a dozen girls that went from kawaii sticks with thigh gaps the size of their thighs to nearly plus size (and were never able to lose the weight, even years down the road) within four months of starting. When it happens, it happens fast, and it's usually irreversible because what changes is not how you eat for those months, but your entire body chemistry and metabolism. It's far, far beyond what could happen because of "overeating fatty sugary things". >>10044045
is welcome to share these "discredited over and over again" studies; considering that there are several dozen different chemicals prescribed as hormonal birth control in the course of its existence and basically no controlled study done on weight gain in humans for most of them, she's talking out her ass. Google Scholar is free.

>>10044039
Yeah, I sympathize with this - I've fluctuated just above and just below the size of fitting into burando for most of my adult life and even I experience the same from the kind of fatties who aggressively refuse to approach weight with anything but a self-centered attitude. But frankly, it's not causally connected to being fat; those bitches would be self-centered about something else if they were small.

>>10043211
Of course. I'm not tooting my horn but I've been almost completely independent since 18... I'm 26 yrs old now. (mom kicked me out after I graduated high school as a mid-term so I basically crashed on people's couches the first year I was out. Had to figure most of my adult shit out real quick).

First thing to attend to was learning to budget. I also started doing research on credit scores and made sure to apply for a low interest starter card thru my bank. Also helps to open a few checking accounts and distribute money across them once you have a job and get paychecks (one strictly for necessities, one for emergency fund, one for recreational/hobby purchases, etc.)

Get an annual membership to a bulk place (like CostCo, Sam's, whatever). You'll figure out how to set aside $45 or get someone to buy it for you. Stockpile the necessities and cook at home.

This is the hardest part. Minimize your spending and only reward yourself when you've done something really fucking great. Of course, what counts as a win for you is different from me. But control how much you treat yourself.

As for jobs, I was stuck in a rut. A lot of low-paid entry level grocery store/fast food jobs for like 5 years. The best decision I've made up to now work-wise was switching to waitressing at a craft beer bar. The hours suck, my managers are ass, and the customers can be annoying. But I take an average of $100 home a day now. Not enough but much more than any customer service job. Find your niche and get good at talking about it to people. Bars are best imo because fuck slaving over tables of shitty families and their even shittier crotch spawn (can you tell I hate kids? lmao).

Workforces or job agencies are a lot more useful if you're not good at doing shit by yourself. Check local listings. Try to avoid using job search engines unless you're really good at selling yourself and have a good resume.

>>10044045
My doctor attributed my weight gain to my birth control. Considering my diet has not changed at all (and I’ve always cooked home cooked healthy meals and have overall lived a healthy lifestyle) I gained 40 lbs within a year on it. He took me off of it and I lost 6 lbs within the first month. No change in anything. My doctor is sure it was the birth control, and considering he’s the one with the PHD I’m going to go with his opinion on this.

>>10044059
>Google Scholar is free
But actually reading and determining legitimate sources, isn't. Unless your sudden hormonal imbalance completely nuked your thyroid (there's meds for that), your metabolism will never be that fucked beyond repair. Also, thermodynamics are a thing.
Hormonal birth control can cause weight gain as a side effect, but going on the /correct/ birth control will counteract those measures. It's like people saying PCOS made them obese when an effective treatment for PCOS is, in fact, weight loss.

My confession is a lot of westerners (but mostly burgers) seriously need to get their shit together in terms of nutrition and exercise before they even think about stepping out in lolita. Just because it's normal, doesn't make it right.

>>10044092
You have a pathological lack of empathy and you should probably go fuck yourself

This is why I never get in the birth control argument. I am well versed in it and its side effects but you crazy people on literally all sides accuse everyone of everything to keep your world view.

>>10044092
>Unless your sudden hormonal imbalance completely nuked your thyroid (there's meds for that),
This is actually what happened to me because of my BC....

I got rid of the BC, got on thyroid meds and lost 40 pounds over the next 5 months.

Even at my worst though I found a way to do enough exercise and eat 1200 cal a day to mantain my weight, but if I EVER screwed that up I gained weight like instantly, it was miserable.

Glad to be getting back to normal though

>>10044197
agree i was fat as fuck on birth control now i'm 40 lbs lighter and am still recovering from how fucking sick it made me

>>10044059
If you want to play that game, then it goes both ways. Please provide scholarly articles proving birth control DOES cause weight gain and that you're not talking out your ass. Go.

>>10044198
Congrats though! I still need to lose another 30 pounds to be normal but I think I can get there.

I know im somewhat normal again though because ive finally hit a weight where just eating normally (healthy) doesnt make me lose a ton of weight anymore. My body has lost all the weight it could from just dieting and light exercise, now I just need to up my exercise to really push it the rest of the way.

>>10044200
anon nayrt but like i've been on two different kinds and one was fine but made me ill and the other one made me gain 40 lbs i couldn't lose no matter how hard i tried so i got off of them and now i'm back to my normal weight before that disaster. sorry you don't understand that HORMONAL pills cause hormonal issues

>>10044202
I believe in you anon!!! i lost my weight over the course of a year, and i honestly didn't do too much to fix it. I don't think i exaggerate when i say i eat only BBQ meat and candy (i'm a monster, with a bad protein defincincy) so don't like stress out too much about it. just stay healthy!

>>10044203
This is personal experience in an uncontrolled environment, meaning it really has no grit. I never gained any weight on three different kinds of hormonal BC. So it's just my truth versus yours?

Having said that, I quit hormonal BC five years ago and never looked back. I honestly don't believe in it anymore the more I learned about it (the hormonal kind). So I'm not advocating that it's perfect and great either.

>>10044200
>yeah anon! prove your point by posting the studies you literally just claimed to be nonexistent!

nayrt but jesus christ you're ignorant as fuck

>>10044212
i'd say i hope you get knocked up but you don't really sound like the kind of person for whom that's much of a risk anyway

>>10044233
How is this ignorant? Someone challenged me to cough up studies because apparently they were triggered by my post. How is asking them to do the same to support their side unreasonable? If anyone is claiming that hormonal BC directly causes weight gain, I honestly want to read the study, because all I've heard so far is "wah, I got fat."

>>10044238
Lolololol.

1. There's BC that's not hormonal.
2. I actually want to get pregnant, so go ahead.

>>10044059
heres a cool anecdote for you: i think my pill made me lose weight due to the intense nausea it gave me. i was hovering around 130 before the pill. now im 118. but it has now given me bowel issues, so my stomach is permabloat. hormonal birth control sucks.

>>10044053
i hate how when you have a bad experience with birth control you're told to "try another" like it is just a walk in the park. usually you have to be on one pill for three months minimum to really settle into it and see what the long lasting side effects will be. most doctors won't let you switch without have tried the pill for 3 months or so. then you can try a new pill, and start the whole process over again. sure, you might not have side effects this time. or it could be worse. its russian roulette.

>>10044027
Oh god the diets. The fatty-chans in my comm all eat like shit (order only high-carb high-fat dishes, push any vegetables off their plate because they're yucky and then whine they're still hungry and want to get dessert) but claim they actually eat super healthy and just can't lose weight because of their genetics. Then every few months they try some shitty crash diet for like a week, don't immediately become Misako-sized, give up, and take that as irrefutable proof that it's physically impossible for them to lose weight. I've seen it happen over and over and over again and it's so awkward because they talk about it every single meetup and if you say anything but "oh you poor baby yes there's nothing you can do" they complain that you're shaming them. One girl said that she went jogging one time (literally one time) and it hurt her legs so clearly exercise is not a healthy option for her. I suggested swimming because it's a great full-body exercise that's easy on the joints and I personally love swimming, but that was apparently "shaming" too. Another girl tried to convince me that my boyfriend is emotionally abusive because he fills out portions of chips into bowls instead of letting people eat the entire bag in one go. Call me un empathetic all you want but I've given up on reasoning with these people.

>>10044299
I feel this anon. It's why I don't interact with my comm much anymore. That group is full of lolitas-at-heart and overweight whiners who want brand so bad but don't want to put the effort in to get it.

I guess I have a confession related to this. I block any person who has "I'm speshul" delusions on facebook/insta/twitter etc. I typically give them a pass the first time unless they are insufferable at a meet, but as soon as they keep on their "excersize is ableist" or "diets don't work" train with nothing to back it up other than how their feelings gets hurt when they remain fat after one day of trying something, I'm done. I used to be close friends with one girl until I had coffee with her alone one day. I hadn't seen her since I had lost a substantial amount of weight, which she commented on, and then turned the conversation around on herself and claimed that she could never count calories or pay attention to what food was doing to her or else she would get depressed. Unprompted, she ranted about diet culture to me. I was unsurprised when she continued the rant on facebook later that day. I'm glad I blocked her.

>>10044303
>cutting contact with a "close friend" over a weight loss rant

Women were a mistake.

Reading all this stuff about BC is really making feel anxious (well... I should say "more anxious" since I already was). I have PCOS and I'm not sure whether

>>10044092
>an effective treatment for PCOS is, in fact, weight loss

is true, maybe it is for overweight people, but I am underweight and I can't lose more weight /: So I have to get on BC for ~6 months and ugh. I really don't want to gain weight. Before my period I usually have this insane crave for food and I really really hope I won't be like that EVERY TIME EVERY DAY when I'm on BC.

>>10044083
inb4 anon tells you that doctors can be wrong.

>>10044318
4chan finally releases us from its website and we STILL get shitty crossboarding trolls

>>10044391
That's cause the domains are related, stupid. Its never going away.

>>10044347
Also PCOS anon here. I do get some mood effects from BC but since BC is actually fixing a hormone deficiency in us, we typically don't get nearly as bad side effects. Your obgyn should be prescribing you bc that's more specific for PCOS than the general stuff other people get.

PCOS is also expressed differently in a lot of people. It /does/ cause weight gain for some and weight loss /does/ help it for some but not everybody.

I'm not underweight but I am skinny and haven't had any weight gain on or off BC.

If it helps, I'm on a Kariva generic

>>10044275
Start naming birthcontrols that make everyone lose weight then

>>10044275
I believe people mix it up a lot with increased appetite which happened to atleast me but clamed down after a year. Otherwise it's hard to say from my own experience since I started when I was 17 so a lot could be just natural changes but now it's suddenly causing me tons of side effects again which could lead to weight gain eventually because they affect my appetite, mood and cause me pain. And I'm talking about the pill.

>>10044299
>high carb dishes
So as a fatty chan, should I be trying to avoid carbs?? I heard it was impossible to avoid them entirely?

>>10044059
I've been gaining and losing weight since puberty, it's my own personal hell. My metabolism is super slow. I'm always tired and I will gain weight/fat insanely fast. In order to look good I'd have to be under 1500 calories a day and work out and lately my life has become so stressful, I lack the motivation. Since I want to wear lolita more often again, I'm dragging my sorry ass to the gym regularly and weigh all my food.

>>10044441
Yeah, it's pretty much impossible to avoid them entirely.
There are low carb diets but if you want to lose weight and stay thin over a long period of time it's better to make healthy life style choices instead of just following a short term diet.

There are different kinds of carbs and a lot of foods that contain carbs are actually really healthy (vegetables, fruits, nuts, oats etc.) so if you consume those in reasonable amounts you're gonna be fine.
Carbs have a bad reputation because they're also in a lot of foods like white bread, pastries, candies, chips & just junk food over all. Basically - don't try to focus too much on carbs or try to cut them out entirely, instead make healthy food choices in general!

>>10044318
Your mother having you was clearly a mistake, that's for sure.

>>10044212
anon my doctor told me the side effects were going to be weight gain with the pill stop acting retarded

I was in the nexplanon but when that made me PHYSICALLY ILL with morning sickness on the daily, and insane mood swings i took it out and tried a pill. i don't remember the name of it right this second but i know I was in the same environment i was in when i was on nexplanon and you've gotta be a complete retarded fuckhead to not realize that different people have different side effects with medication. Maybe i wasn't on it long enough to make the weight gain leave, but it still happened. Even for others they might not notice it but the extra hormones added to your body on the pill does make you want to eat more or leaves you feeling less full after eating so even if t WAS a dietary issue, it's still a side effect of the birth control! And i think every single person i know who's been on depo has gained anywhere from 20-60 POUNDS. i'm actually not even exaggerating there. I had a kitchen manager who i was close with tell me about how she started taking depo and she ended up 60 lbs heavier without a change in her diet. She didn't mind it too much but it did happen. My own mom is on depo and she gained 40lbs in a month, and i watched my mom struggle hard to keep a steady diet that was healthy. Three years later and now off of the shot her steady diet (that's not some stupid health fad) and she's lost almost all of that weight (i'm proud of her)

Get your head out of your ass and for the love of god PLEASE stay on that birth control forever for the sake of humanity

>>10044446
Look into what insulin resistance is, friendo. You might feel better on a keto diet, or intermittent fasting. It sounds counterproductive but what's ruining your metabolism is your body's relationship with insulin. You also may be lacking what nutrients you need if you're eating under 1500 cal a day and still feel like shit. Could be electrolytes, protein, or certain vitamins.

>>10044471

>look at all these anecdotes
>therefore it must be true

>>10044045
Gaining weight through birth control usually happens due to fluid retention, but, what anon >>10044048 said is right.

I, myself, wrecked my body after one year of taking this pill, just like >>10044034 `s friend.

I had not only severe depression but also monthly-long migraines, no libido, crave for sweets and no desire to eat normal food and, worst of all, the first effects of thrombosis. (although I didn't gain any weight, but rather lost it due to depression)

I was lucky I didn't get permanent scars due to the use of BC, but nowadays I can't even try any kind of synthetic hormone.

The horror stories about BC are so wild to me (and I believe them all), but it's important for anyone considering it to remember that it's different for each person and you may not experience any of the negative effects, or very mild effects. I'm a lucky one that going on BC for me was one of the best decisions I ever made. The adjustment period is rough (about 6 months for me, had to switch pills once at the first 3mo mark) but once you're through that the side effects go down greatly. I'm an example of someone who lost weight on it, going from 140lbs down to 127 in the first year. I've been on the pill for 6 years and never experienced weight gain or even water retention (did have some nausea, though). If you really focus on eating right and exercising, especially at the start, then you should be fine. If you get major cravings and start noticing sloppy eating habits, know that the BC is why and find a way to manage it- catching it is half the battle.

You can do it, gulls; for every horror story being told there's many people who didn't have one and just feel no need to talk about it because of that.

>>10044318
nayrt I would absolutely block some shitlord if they made my good effort and progress into an attack on themselves. Sounds like the ranting cunt liked their friend better when they were fat.

>>10044494
see
>Even for others they might not notice it but the extra hormones added to your body on the pill does make you want to eat more or leaves you feeling less full after eating so even if t WAS a dietary issue, it's still a side effect of the birth control!
and then read >>10044500

>>10044664
fuck meant >>10044506
but both are good to listen to about BC

>>10041704
isn't Rainies just a second hand store though? Why are Wunderwelt, Lolita Desu and Closet Child ok but not that one? Don't they all basically do the same?

>>10044695
Rainies is an Italian girl who sells as a private on lacemarket. She buys things for cheap only to resell them at a higher price.

>>10044695
Those stores have people go to them to buy their clothes and they sell it second hand. its a legit business. Rainies uses SS to snipe cheap stuff from yja and others and marks up for a profit. It’s not.

>>10044695
>>10044698
which means she's not a business and probably doesnt have to have her income taxed etc, though idk how things go in italy. fk rainies. I recently saw her post on FB so now im glad to put a face/real name to the username.

>>10044712
show the pic

>>10044492
Thanks for the tips, I tried this method where you only drink a bunch of water in the morning and eat nothing for like 8 hrs. I really didn't eat a lot, because of work I had like a coffee (granted, with milk and sugar and shit), and then a small supper, like 500-1000 calories max. Didn't look any better.
But I guess I will have to watch my nutrients and maybe see my doctor and get checked, I'm so tired all the time, it's not even funny anymore.
Maybe I'm just getting old...
The only thing that makes me look good is working out 4 times a week.

Can we just agree that birth control affects everyone differently and be done with the subject? This is a secrets/confession thread. Take your personal opinions outside of the fashion and shit up your fb timelines with it instead.

>>10044664
>>10044665
another really important thing to point out re: "lul bc doesnt make u fat!!" anon's stupidity, is that most people go on birth control for the first time around the end of puberty, late teens to mid 20s (puberty isn't necessarily "over" by 20 from a hormonal standpoint; this is why a lot of people's periods take until their mid- to late-20s to start to really get anything like regular). Beginning such a powerful regimen of artificial hormone therapy before or right after your body's most intense hormonal shift in your lifetime is obviously going to have immense effects on most, unnoticeable effects on some, and unintuitive/backward-seeming effects on a few. Entirely unrelated to birth control, metabolism tends to slow in our 20s as we age and get desk jobs. It's much, much more complicated than "put down the cupcake."

>>10044718
nayrt but this is an extremely good way to force your metabolism to permanently exist in famine mode, meaning you'll never be able to eat a normal amount and stay a healthy weight again, and eventually wind up with insulin resistance. the anon you're replying to knows what's up; if you've been following that regimen for any length of time at all this is probably a case for your doctor now.

>>10044712
businesses don't get taxed either here in italy eheh

jokes apart what picture

>>10041259
I'm a HUGE Sailor Moon faggot, and I was at first kinda excited when I heard about AP and AatP doing SM collabs.

But all I got was a half-assed Fairy Marine recolor and this sorry excuse. I'm glad I don't miss out on anything but it didn't stop me from making this face when I saw them in lolita updates

>>10044726
But I thought intermittent fasting was a good thing?
I don't remember ever being any different, I've been dieting since I was like 11.
Working out really helps, when I work out like 4 times a week, I'm good. But I can't always keep that up.

>>10044718
>>10044726
>>10044742
Fasting is good, but extreme calorie deficits can harm you and prevent your body from being able to burn fat. Look up the Minnesota starvation experiment. In the minor presence of food but not enough, the body starves and uses up the nutrients that should be keeping it running. It dumps insulin for the meager amount of food you get and demands more. Eating tiny frequent meals like everyone has always been instructed is worse for you because your body is always having too much insulin around and becoming hungry when your blood sugar drops. Instead healthy fasting with the amount of calories you need to function and all the macro nutrients you need daily is going to fuel it and teach it to use fat instead of carbs for energy. That's why low carb diet work. The body goes into ketosis. Intermittent fasting let's you deplete your glucose stores in the time you aren't eating, but jumping into it off a high sugar diet is just asking to feel miserable. You can train your body to have better metabolism but not crash dieting. Eric Berg has some really educational videos on how all this works. I'm sorry for the TLDR, I'm not the best at science, but after lots of ups and downs and trying keto in various ways and learning over the years, I finally feel like I'm starting to learn what my body needs to be healthy. Electrolytes, vitamins, protein, etc. It's overwhelming at first but our nutrition education has failed us thanks to the sugar and diet industry.

>>10044805
I just read up insulin resistance on wikipedia and it says a big deficit is a good thing, like under 1000 calories. I really read a lot abot nutrition because I don't eat meat, can't eat too much gluten and I'm allergic to most nuts and fruit.
I can rememberr a time when my waist was 63cm, last year I was down to 68, I want to get down to that again to fit into my dresses nicely.

>>10045007
The lower your weight goes, the less it has in reserve. It's going to depend per person what they need, and clearly you are feeling weak the way you are doing things now. For me, any less than 1400 calories and I feel like death. In your case if you're getting enough food for your weight then maybe you aren't eating the right things. At such a large deficit your food is already going to need to be nutritionally dense. That doesn't mean all meat, just minimally processed and lots of greens. I don't eat much fruit at all. Your diet sounds pretty restrictive at this point, I think asking your doctor is probably the best idea.

Does /cgl/ even have jannies anymore?

>>10044695
Fuck off Rainies, you are not the same as legit lolita second hand stores.

>>10044716
Just search "Rainies" in the Lolita Sales in English FB group.

So this has to do with both Lolita and cosplay, but me and some friends exposed this girl back in high school.
>>says she a well known cosplayer in the area (Los Angeles)
>>also happens to do Lolita, AND has her own fashion line. All at the ripe age of 15.
>>one day sittting next to her in
class
>>”hey sphenoid, wanna see my cosplays that I worked on with the help of (this bitch) my mentor YAYA HAN?”
>>shows me.
This ain’t it senpai.
It’s literally a picture of a shit quality lumpy space princess cosplay that is not of her.The only thing they have in common was morbid obesity.
“Oh no fuck this bitch she’s too much”
>>tells my web friends. They hate her too cause she pulled other shit in them.
>>we decide to make her regret this shit. Post memes of her al over social media, specifically about this encounter.
>>she eventually moves to the continuation school next door, claiming “her business venture with Yaya Han keeps her too busy to focus on school.”
This bitch.

>>10045041
You must be 18 to use this site, anon. And even if you are, we generally don't tear apart kids. A lot of us had an 'awkward' stage.

>>10045032
>>10044695
I have this suspicion that in light of the recent boycott against Rainies and other scalpers by gulls, they will take to posting on anon with a different email/possibly paypal on the BST threads without disclosing who they are.

Like, their """"business"""" probably won't suffer all that much since newbies and such will still buy their stuff but they can target us through this very board, using anonymity against us.

>>10044506
Just want to throw in another voice for the wonders of BC. I mostly used condoms until I was in my first serious relationship at 17, when I got the hormonal implant. I chose the implant because I'm bad at taking pills, I was very scared to get it but actually the insertion was fine and didn't hurt much at all. Plus it was fun to poke it after it healed, haha. I had it for 6 months, I spotted a lot through that time and my periods went a bit crazy but I didn't get pregnant, gain weight, nor break out. My anxiety was shit to start with but it neither improved nor worsened. I would have stuck with the Implant except I was diagnosed with a particular health condition where the treatment was likely to interfere with my BC, so I had to go non-hormonal.

So I chose the copper IUD/coil/paraguard. I was honestly so scared before getting it, all I had read was horror stories and things about cramps getting worse and periods getting heavy. But I'm more scared of pregnancy, so I went and got it put in. Not going to lie, it did hurt the first time, but no worse than a really bad case of period cramps. (I've had it replaced once since then and the replacement was MUCH easier too.) Turns out they size the IUD to you too, so even my undersized uterus can have one. My periods are about 1 and a half days longer than they used to be and my cramps are a little worse, but it's not the bloody painful nightmare I expected. I actually like knowing that my periods are regular, it's comforting to know that everything is working as it should. I've had a little bit of spotting after sex a few times, but overall nothing weird has happened in the five years I've been on it.

People mostly just speak out when something unusual happens to their BC. My experience with both the implant and the IUD have been very normal - neither amazing nor awful. If you want BC, go for it. Try a few different ones and see which works best for you. You can do it, anons.

>>10045086
I make the cutoff for age,
Yea my awkward faze sucked. But this girl.. no ma’am

>>10045095
gulls are the ones who browse secondhand sites and i doubt it those scalpers would do that in the first place

>>10045095
>different paypal
Kek. Yes, they should totally do this. Rainies, cherry_sp, Gemgem, chestnutlili etc. make at least 3 paypal accounts. Be sure to link the same address, credit cards or bank accounts too so it will be safe.

>>10045132
iirc one of them has 2 lace market accounts, one selling jane marple shit and the others selling normal stuff

>>10045132
exactly, it would be oh so very anonymouse ~hacker known as fourchan~ to catch the scalpers in the act and be able to bring them down.

I know this is very unrealistic but still. my paranoid brain wishes it would happen.

>>10045139
I know, but the jane marple shit was resold from ww lots too. Unfortunately that's not against LM's rules, same for treating LM like a literal shop front instead of a private selling platform. And actually making rules wouldn't help anyway, because LM isn't enforcing them. Just look at Gemgems proof pictures directly stolen from the listings she scalpes or at all of the taobao resellers that keep going even though only 3 offbrand/indie items, taobao included, are allowed.

>>10045139
Wait a minute, how is she able to have 2 accounts with only one PP?

tfw everyone is on birthcontrol and you're on the condom + pull out method for the past decade and never once had a scare. I love having a husband who naturally does this.

>>10045104
I'd like to be a second voice to this. I have nothing but good things to say about long term birth control options.

I agree that the insertion of IUDs isn't that bad. I got a hormonal one and it worked like the subdermal implant. I'm still in love with mine. Unfortunately, after I hae my current one removed in a couple of years, I won't be getting another. My last replacement was a horrorshow. I don't know if it was me or if it was the doctor. I had the old one pulled out and the new one measured/inserted and... I wanted to die. It was the worst pain I've ever felt and it lasted hours, just cramping. I bled quite a bit too, I soaked a whole pad in a few hours. I thought the IUD had gone through my uterus, but I ended up being fine and I do still have it. I just won't be getting another because of the experience. I'm going subdermal next time.

>>10045159
I love having unprotected sex.

>>10045159

tfw your birth control has better stats than the condom and pullout method combined.

Glad you go lucky, but I'd rather not play russian roulette with the sperm and egg, and I love the feeling of naked dick.

>>10045177
if he's good at sex then condom or not it's still going to be amazing. condom and pull out method combined has been proven to be very effective, without any hormonal side effects. plus anon could also be using spermicide.

>>10045193

>condom and pull out method combined has been proven to be very effective

w e w l a d

>>10045173
>>10045177
No I mean he wears a condom, and pulls out before cumming in the condom. We've never had unprotected sex.

>>10045198

>not cumming all over your burando for you to lick it all up

Now that's how to do birth control.

>>10045193
spermicide is really harmful to vaginal PH and not really effective.

also why are you bragging about having a low test beta husband who only fucks you through a rubber sheathe lmao. i genuinely hope you're a roleplaying crossboarder or I pity you
this topic has gone on for far too long and really should end, its not relevant to the board

>>10045198
what’s the point of pulling out if you’re wearing a condom ?
you’ll never experience the bliss of having cummies inside
birth control

>>10045132
Hm. That's against PayPals policy and TOS. It's not like we don't know where they are from.

>>10045193
I guess the cleanup is easy. Literally can't think of any other reason why you'd want to do this

welcome to the cosplay and gothic lolita blue board, where roleplayers shit up threads by yelling about how much they love dick

>>10045215

hey i love pussy too

>>10045210
This >>10045216
Also lol how new are you

>>10045218
Misfire meant >>10045215

>>10045198
What gave you the idea we misunderstood?

>>10044742
Intermittent fasting is typically a lot better for men. There aren't a lot of studies on it. But anecdotally I've heard a lot of guys say they did great on it, whereas many of the women who've done it including myself ended up feeling sick and tired. My period even stopped.
This is true to a lesser extent with some other popular diets like keto too.

>>10044197
Whoa. Wait.

Can birth control affect your thyroid like that? This sounds exactly like me. Started on BC withen the past year and now I’m experiencing symptoms of thyroid problems. I’m gettkng it checked out soon but I didn’t know bc could affect your thyroid.

>>10045230
intermittent fasting? how were you doing it, 16/8?

>>10045230
>>10045245
omfg /fit/ gET OUT REEEEEEEEEEE

>>10045241

Short answer, no, but get your thyroid checked anyways because if you’re a young woman in your 20s it’s a pretty common time to get thyroid issues.

>>10045248
This is just embarrassing even if you're trying to be funny

>>10045245
Nayrt but I'm doing that right now to lose weight (with moderate commitment) and it's working for me, not noticing any negative effects either

if you want to sperg over how much you love dick and pussy, go to lolcow. there are threads to contain this shit.

>>10045248
ah gomen i’m not fit im a fatty

>>10045252
right, so i thought it was weird it would have some serious health complications

>>10045252
NO IM JUST SO PISSED YOU GUYS COME TO OUR BOARD AND SPREAD YOUR SMELLY UNWASHED DICK SMELL EVERYWHERE. FUCK RIGHT OFF THANKS

>>10045015
Well, it's not like eating more makes me feel any better, but sadly my diet really is pretty restricitve. I have a supplement for vitamins and minerals though.
Thanks for the input.
I just wanna look cute in my burando.
>>10045230
I did low carb, ie only carbs from fruit and vegetables, at one point when I was still eating meat, hated it.

hmm...

>>10045287
what

>>10045287
do you need to post this in every thread, crossboarding trash?

>>10045207

>>10045289
I have to spread the message if little girl supremacy.

It's just funny how little girls are superior in every way, especially obvious when put in a cute dress and compared to some cellulite-ridden, wrinkled cow.

>>10044711
>>10044712
>>10044711
Alright but not all Japanese stores you mention have a physical location. Lolita Desu is online only.

And based on the fact that all of these are second hand stores, they probably also bid on Japanese auctions and get from various second hand sources, then add a price on top of that and then sell. This is literally the description of selling second hand.

Plus, Rainies states they are a shop, first thing in their tems of sale.

So, genuine question, what is it about this particular store that bugs you that much? Is it a weeaboo thing because they are not from the glorious land of nippon? I am genuinely curious here.

>>10045336
Again, fuck off Rainies.

>tfw when you are a lolita pretending to be a crossboarder pretending to be a lolita

I'm sorry gulls, i know it's detrimental to the board quality, but you take the bait so easily, i'm not going to give up my little dopamine rushes

>>10045336
because they are up front about it. and the ones that arent, I.E taobo resellers, are also disliked. they pay for their own site domain, they aren't selling on a marketplace specifically designed for peer-to-peer, private sales of your own goods. surely, if you weren't desperately trying to defend your own dodgy practices, you would realise the dishonesty in what you're doing. such as specifically buying items you know have higher value in the western market purely for the profit.

>>10045336
You really think she operates as a store? What is her business then? What service is she offering? What the name of her business and how can I talk to them? Also her is her selling under her fb as a person not a business.

Second hand stores like Lolita desu have people come to them, they aren’t buying online to resell. You think your thrift shop going into stores and buys stuff to resell too?

>>10045336
Don't try to defend Rainies/yourself because that just won't work. Is she doing something illegal? No. Is she doing something immoral? YES. Also, if tomorrow I start saying I'm a gym I don't magically became a gym, lol. The fact she says she's a shop has no value, she simply is NOT one, she is a private seller who marks up the price of items sold by good people who put a fair price to their stuff. It's because of people like her that the western market is so shitty and with nonsensical prices.

>>10040458
Man I want a lolita gf that will teach me the ways of cosplay and, groom me as her cosplay bf

>>10045285
Good luck, I hope you can figure something out! Anyway sorry for spamming so much off topic.

My confession: I bought a dream dress I could have gotten one size bigger but went for my goal sizing instead. It's my motivation. I'm the kind of person that needs something on the horizon to work for.

Looks like everyone here hates fatties but talking about it and actively educating yourself makes you /fit/.

>>10045387
>Looks like everyone here hates fatties
I don't! Whether you consider yourself overweight/fatty or not, good luck with your goal!

>>10045342
>>10045357
>>10045361
Again, not Ranies, which is why your rage is completely puzzling to me. I don't care if discussing this here with you makes it even worse for her, because I DONT KNOW HER. I am just irked when people have double standards and like to discuss about it. Keeping calling me Rainies (and calling anyone, that has a different opinion than your mob mentality, the name of X person) is retarded. Even for 4chan.

I guess it must be a sensitive topic for you gulls because you have yet to prove to me how this store is different than Lolita Desu.

What is her business? She sells second hand clothes, just like Lolita Desu. As for the name of the store, as far as I remember it is Rainies??

You do realize that the "good people" that put their stuff up for sale are the same people that sell to Wunderwelt and all these places, right? Do you know how much do these good honest stores buy the shit they sell you for almost retail price? Because if you don't you can check their Want To Buy listings.
Do you guys know where these sellers would end up if they were not selling to CC and WW? You guessed it right, at the auctions. Whatever CC, WW and LD sell, you would be getting for cheaper if they didn't exist.

>>10045431
You're not making any sense, anon >>10045357
has already told you in what way Rainies is different than a legit secondhand web store yet you keep insisting. If you're not Rainies it makes even less sense for you to defend her like this. Just drop it.

>>10041742
Rainies buys form yahoo auctions and scalps them also

>>10041742
woa, ugly shit
don't people whiteknighting her feel bad?

>>10045453
>if you're not her, drop it
God this fucking mentality is why people keep responding. Everyone is anon. Quit trying to guess who everyone is.

>>10044071
Late addition from someone who has also been out on their own since their late teens, more focused on breaking in to office-type work once you have a college / uni degree and based on north american experiences, so may not apply outside Canada/US:

Google for recruitment companies in your area. They can help you with skill evaluation, resume prep and setting up interviews, plus help you identify weak areas that you can address with self-teaching via libraries and online resources. Legit recruiters are paid by the company, not by you (it's basically the company outsourcing part of their HR department to the recruiter).

Don't be afraid of taking contract jobs; they'll help build your resume and contacts, and if you do a great job, your manager is likely to find a way to try and keep you on.

Invest in a good mid-tier, tailored work suit before you buy more lolita/cosplay, if you're aiming for office work. Good shoes, too; people immersed in corporate culture pay attention to that stuff. Spend a little time at an office building area during lunch and check out what people are wearing, that'll give you a good ballpark for standards in your area.

Check your local library for career-skill related books. A basic knowledge of marketing, project management and accounting can be a huge help in interviews (varies depending on the kind of role you're looking for, of course). Being able to parrot the current corporate lingo, dumb as it often is, helps reassuring hiring managers that you'll fit in around the office.

>>10045431
anon the reason everyone thinks you're her is because you KEEP defending these practices

she's NOT a business, she doesn't have a business license, she does not have a shop/storefront/website she sells these items from. If you took time to notice that all of the secondhand websites and even the SS's have both store fronts, websites, or at LEAST a facebook page to display their items, along with a lacemarket account. selling as a private individual is not a business, buying clothing for dirt cheap and marking the price up 50-200% is not a sound business practice (yes we shit on businesses who do this too, like how ALL of us agree Devilinspired is a scalping taobao reseller) also if she received donations or someone came to her to sell it for her, that's a different story.

so even if she WAS a business or whatever she'd still be running a horrible business, and she needs to rethink her strategies.

Honestly why doesn't she just chill the fuck out she knows we all fucking hate her and most of her shop items won't get bought for like 6-7 months

>>10045473
>Quit trying to guess
I didn't "try to guess", I just took into consideration that she could be Rainies. Which is something the anons before me took for granted, can you even read?

>this fucking mentality is why people keep responding.
How new are you? This is fucking 4chan, nothing to do with mentality

>>10045336
>>10045431
I'm calling you Rainies because other then defending her for no reason, your knowledge about lolita has to be on the same level like someone who only cares for the fashion for profits, aka Rainies. But okay, I'll answer properly.
>Lolita Desu is online only
Lolita Desu started out as a reseller too, just like kitty carousel. I don't know why you're bringing her up. I don't see her at the same level like the official second hand stores because of that.

>And based on the fact that all of these are second hand stores, they probably also bid on Japanese auctions and get from various second hand sources, then add a price on top of that and then sell.
No, they don't. If you'd actually be a lolita who's regulary stalking the second hand market, you would notice that quickly. Non of the legit second hand stores do that because, guess what, it's shady.
Private people offer their items to them either in person or online/postal. They get an offer based on condition and they either agree or decline.

>This is literally the description of selling second hand.
Lmao what kind of shitty empty rhetoric is this? The description of selling second hand is selling something used.

>Plus, Rainies states they are a shop, first thing in their tems of sale.
They changed it very recently. And like the other anon mentioned, aaying you're a shop alone doesn't make you one.

>Is it a weeaboo thing because they are not from the glorious land of nippon? I am genuinely curious here.
No you're not, you're using shitty bait to get the most (you)s. Rainies is not a shop, she is a private seller like anyone else on Lacemarket without any legal responsibilities. If you'd actually read the thread, it's not only Rainies that "bugs us" either.

>As for the name of the store, as far as I remember it is Rainies??
She has no name because she has no store. Her username on LM is Rainies. As far as I remember her PP isn't a business account either.

>>10045336
>>10045431
cont.
>You do realize that the "good people" that put their stuff up for sale are the same people that sell to Wunderwelt and all these places, right?
No, they aren't? They are selling their stuff on mercari, frill and yahoo auctions. They can't sell them there and on CC/WW/etc at the same time.

>Do you know how much do these good honest stores buy the shit they sell you for almost retail price?
Yes, I do. But people offer it to them alone instead of putting it up themselves, that's the difference. These items wouldn't have been available anyway, because the people wouldn't put them up otherwise. They chose to sell it for cheap to these shops (for some reason), instead of selling it themselves.

>Do you guys know where these sellers would end up if they were not selling to CC and WW? You guessed it right, at the auctions.
They chose to CC and WW over auctions, even though it would make them much more money. It wouldn't end up there because they already decided against it despite being more lucrative.

>>10045505
>>10045507
we should stop answering her with logic she clearly is either Rainies or retarded

but good answer

I just want meta (or just brands in general) to release some skirts.

>>10044347
BC should fix the period cravings. I used to be on it and never got them. Now I've got the copper IUD and I get insane cravings for a week before my period every month, which sucks. The rest of the time I have almost no appetite at all so it's been a wild ride. I have had a little luck using herbs to balance out my hormones naturally, but I don't think you can use those safely in conjunction with birth control.

If it makes you feel better, when I was 18 I was diagnosed with PCOS, and by the time I was 24 all signs of the disease were gone. I hope you get yours cured too :)

>>10045391
Thank you! I'm definitely a fatty but far less fat than I was a year ago! I hope you find your dream dress and it fits well, too!

>>10044347
AYRT, birth control isn’t scary! Most cases it helps people more than they hurt; which was tangentially the point I was trying to make when I brought PCOS into it. I wish you luck on your journey! I’ve been on BC for 3 years, so long enough to know what to expect, but not too long to not remember life before: most intense things, like cravings, are mostly dulled on BC. You’ll get there!

random BC story #2432 but I have an IUD. Before this, I was on oral BC, which didn't do anything which way for me but I was too forgetful, and the IUD had a much higher efficacy rate so that's why I went for it. Because I didn't have kids yet and my uterus is 'tiny' per my ob-gyn, it was a bit harder getting it in, and became a bit of a 2 day ordeal. But we did manage to get it in. The first day was the worst, and felt like a constant period cramp, but went away with ibuprofen.

A year later, there are life circumstances that changed that I have to deal with, and I still struggle a lot with anxiety, but it is better than before mainly due to circumstance. I have gained a slight bit of weight but I am in my late 20s after all, and I now monitor what I eat. But I have no periods, which is the biggest blessing for me. Not having to deal with 3-4 days of bloating, headaches, and menstrual cramps has done a lot for me and being functional. Again, some people continue to have heavy menstruation after the IUD though, so I cannot at all speak for everyone. Overall, my experience with the IUD has been very good, and I do recommend at least looking into it as an option (that again isn't for everyone, obviously) and talk with a medical professional about it to see if that's an option for you.

My iud made my tailbone length hair shed so bad its now cut up to shoulder length and a whispy mess. A part of me is gone and I feel so ugly.

>>10045387
>>10045387
Thanks, same to you, we'll soon look great.
And I don't think everybody hates fatties, it's all about attitude.
There are cute chubsters and entitled planets.

>>10045538
Meta releases plenty of skirts though especially during lucky pack season. Baby does lots of skirt releases as well.

>>10045642
Well damn i need to pay better attention then.

>>10045336
Lolita Desu doesn’t fucking flood the online sales comms with her shit. She operates as an actual online store.

I've tried for years to find my niche within lolita to fit myself in, and I think I've found it. Nothing makes me happier than sweet AP. Pic related is my ideal silhouette, and if you can get a berry print in there, even better. I've been trying to play down how much I love it by saying "sure I wear strange fluffy dresses, but at least I'm not sweet!" That's a completely fucked up mentality. I've never felt cuter than when I wear these stupid frilly pink eyesores, and I love it.

I'm not a cute person, so I probably look strange, but who cares. My confession is that I flagrantly love sweet.

>>10045785
This is so wholesome anon. Live your best sweet life!

>>10041744
Do you have this list? I’m not super educated on who’s a scalper so itd be useful

>>10045504
>I just took into consideration that she could be Rainies
Could be anyone you fucking stubborn ass.

>>10044197
>>10044198

This is why the birth control is fucking terrifying to me. I know this isn't the case for everyone, but you can't tell how it will effect you until you go on it

>>10045785
is this the tripfag formerly known as don kanonji?

>>10045095
Don't buy from the B/S/T thread to begin with. I've bought a lot of secondhand dresses from various places and only one of the dress I got in the b/s/t here was as described. Gulls are gross, don't wash things, and lie about condition. LM I've also had a bad experience on but way more positive ones

>>10045505
Ugh fuck kitty carousel, I hated seeing those posts on LJ

Fuck lolita desu too, I wondered why they were so overpriced and their shipping is insane. Makes sense now

I'm really looking forward to the BTB secrets this week. I'm curious how many secrets will be posted about the SFE drama.

>>10045954
Same, I've always disliked Lolita Desu

>>10045785
Good for you, anon! It's fine to shift between styles too, you don't need to marry yourself too just one. At the same time though, if sweet makes you feel happy and fulfilled then go for it! Don't be a coward in the face of happiness

>>10045842
No, I'm the artist formerly known as prince

>>10046246
>>10045786
Thank you!

>>10046210
Its just going to be repeats of what was said here.

>>10046224
I feel bad now because they gave me a $5 voucher for applying to their illustrator position.

Confession: it bothers me that I just found out a woman from my comm models j-fashion and Lolita for popularity points, but then turns around and markets the clothing and the comm to ageplayers through reddit. I don’t need more of them tainting my favorite hobby.

>>10044092
Kind of hard to blame my weight gain on burgers when I haven’t eaten meat since high school. I’ve always worked out 30 minutes to 2 hours about 3-4 times a week, so it wasn’t that either. I’ve been on the exact same routine for the last 5 years. The only difference in my life during the time I was gaining excessive weight was the birth control I was on.

I'm anon >>10044347, thanks everyone who tried reassuring me about BC. I will talk with an obgyn ASAP :)

>>10046924
"Burger" in this context is slang for "American" but yeah, I had the same situation as you. I even doubled my workout routine and tightened my diet when I noticed I was gaining weight (at a rate of about 4lbs a month!!!) because my doctor kept telling me it was just because I'd hit my 20's and my metabolism was slowing down. It wasn't until I'd gained 40lbs that they actually LOOKED at my file, said "Oh we just put you back on the Depo Provera shot in January, and that's when the weight gain started" that they even considered another point of view than just "I'm lazy and lying about my diet/exercise". As soon as I got off the shot I stopped gaining weight. It was difficult to lose but eventually it happened.

I have a confession completely unrelated to the last half of the thread.

I just bought doubles of a brand dress I love. Not only do I own it in every colorway, but I will also now own two of one of those colorways. Exact same cut and everything. My goal is to own doubles of each.

Is this an insane thing to do? Does it seem greedy? I feel greedy. I feel like if I had unlimited money I'd indefinitely try to buy up every one of these dresses on the secondhand market. I love it too much.

>>10047666
>those trips
Imo yes it kind of is, if you aren't a daily lolita or wear the dress a lot to the point it's falling apart. I, too, sometimes get the impulse when I see a dreamdress again that I already acquired but actually buying it again seems kind of stupid to me.

>>10047667
I'm probably just stupid and insane then, haha. I don't wear my dresses daily, but I dress up fairly often and this is the one dress I feel this way about. To be fair, my old colorway was a little bit faded and I always wanted to get another. But at the same time, I don't intend to sell the double, like a normal person would.

>>10047666
You do you, anon. As long as you aren't buying all the existing dresses (that would be 100% insane) I think it's okay.

>>10047666
>My goal is to own doubles of each
But why

Ten years ago I have only ever heard the term Lolita in one context.

So I’m at anime expo with my ex, and I ask her what cosplays she brought. “Oh this, this, and do you like Lolita?” “... ew, what kinda sick fuck are you?!”

Wasn’t until the next day I found out it was a fashion term.

>>10047666
As long as you can afford it I think it's a really good idea. Seriously, I will do this with my ultimate DD's if possible.
It's not like a simple t-shirt you can find everywhere when it needs replacing, that makes it a good reason to double up imo.
I dread ruining/damaging a favourite/dd and if I'd had a back-up, man that would feel so good!

As for owning a print/cut in several colourways, that is my guilty pleasure too. As long as you can afford it, why settle for just one colour/cut when you love 2 or more eh?

>>10047666
Doubles of one dress are fine, but if you start snatching up every single one you see and end up with 5 of the same dress then I think that's kind of greedy- it might be somebody else's DD too! But I agree with >>10047719 it's useful in case of damages

Owning multiple cuts/colorways is great though.

>>10047666
I have multiple of my dd and several colorways of the same dress. If you love something and know you look good in it, why not? Haha

Lately WW reorders newly listed items by type or some brand new items don't appear on the first page but a few pages back. Does anyone else have that problem? I missed out on a wishlist item because of this and now I'm p sad.

>>10047719

I saw the phrase "ultimate DD's" and I just thought you meant you had huge titties.

I hate how western communites distorted the look of lolita through "guides" for newbies.
I know it's a hot take, but when you look at what was popular and what the guides were talking about, you can see a correlation. What westerners were wearing did affect the brands, even if it wasn't anything major.
When milanoo started putting out their first awful dresses and newbs started flooding in, rather than say "have eyes and a functioning brain" they came up with stuff like:
>black and white is bad
>a lot of lace is bad
>raschel lace is bad
>lolita must be modest
I also blame the "It's not a costume and it's not related to the book" screeching for this.
Look at ita thread now. Except for vendettas, people posted there look really bad, and exemples of an "iconic ita" are rare. I can't help but feel that these girls stumble across fyeahlolita, and think that if they don't wear "lace monsters" they are all good. It's the same blog that also says that bodyline and taobao are fine too.

>>10048923
I think the main problem with the article is that it has aged poorly.
I remember when i was a newbie, i believed in all the misconceptions you just listed. Bodyline was only considered good because it was one step up from milanoo garbage that was far more rampant at the time. If i was to rewrite that article, i would focus of teaching newbies to dress for their shape, the importance of high quality material and colour co-ordination. I also believe that people recited those rules without really understanding the reasoning of abiding by them or questioning why.

>>10047666
I think it's really smart especially if it's something you wear often. It'd be nice to have a spare in case one gets damaged or worn out. I have doubles of some basic items, and multiple colorways of my favorite prints, although I don't yet have doubles of a fancy dream dress I don't think it's a crazy idea.

I'm really curious which dress it is that you collect, though I understand if you wouldn't want to share

I think I'm better than most lolitas because I have nice, natural hair and don't have to wear shitty wigs all the time. Its a good color and will style pretty well for all my lolita needs.
>I'm also glad i don't have to buy so many shitty wigs

>>10049347
I feel kinda bad that everyone is assuming I have these doubles of my dream dress. It's not actually my dream dress (I still don't have my DD, which is a solid and I've never even see it sold secondhand). In fact, I wouldn't really want doubles of my DD because it would quickly lose significance.

The dress I now have doubles of is actually just my favorite print dress of all time and I really can't decide which colorway is my favorite. The print is 7 years old and by AP and something in my brain just tells me I have to gather the remaining good condition dresses or they might just become lost to time. I keep sounding more insane, but that's the truth.

>>10049403
So you spent money on a dress you consider your "favorite" but didn't buy your dream dress? Do you not need to sit on money in case it does pop up?

>>10049527
No, I always have money stashed for that.

>>10049403
I have three of my fave print, its a smart idea totally agree with you

>>10049849
Ah in >>10047666 you made it sound like you don't. Do you ever think your dream dress doesn't pop up because some Chinese girl bought every cut and color of it and everyone else just wants to keep theirs?

Confession: I love bragging and showing off to itas and newbies, or people who admire lolita but aren't apart of the hobby. It just makes me feel really cool and inflates my ego for a bit. I don't thrive on it nor do I do it all the time, but the handful of times I do show off in this matter I really get a kick out of it. I know that sounds lame, but what an ego boost it is to have some ita gush over kawaii your coord is. It's like, yes, I'm better than you, tell me more.

I love Lolita and I’m active in the online communities, but I’ll never attend a local meet because an old friend who sexually assaulted me is also a member. I’m afraid to be in close contact with her. I’m also afraid to say anything to other members because I don’t think they’ll believe me so I’ve just blocked her online and avoid going to any public meets in my area. I really wish she’d move, but I know that’s asking too much.

>>10049871
I do it, too.

>>10049934
If you blocked her you can make your own meets in your comm and she won’t be able to see any meets you are hosting.

>>10049934
with #metoo, you have the power to speak out. sexual assault isn't something to forget about. you're a victim and a crime and your attacker is out free

>>10049403
I don't think it's crazy to own multiples of the same at all! Lolita is a limited resource and if you like something that you know you can't get in the future, and you want to keep wearing it for a long time, it makese sense to have a back-up? I don't think it's greedy because it's not like you're buying extras to scalp or something, it's because you truly cherish the dress

>>10049934
>>10049990

#metoo only works if your attacker is male. If the perpetrator is female, or is friends with everybody regardless of gender, you're SOL.

>>10049527
>>10049852
Hi anon, >>10049849 is not me. My only two posts in the thread have been >>10047666 and >>10049403.

I said that I've never seen my DD sold. So it's not that I chose not to buy it - it's that I literally haven't even been given the chance. I have basically triple the amount of money I need to buy it set aside (in case anyone ever decides to scalp it).

It's not a matter of anyone getting to the listing and buying the dress before me - it just has not popped up. I've seen it sold in different colorways and cuts over the years, just never mine. I check pretty much every feasible secondhand/resale site imaginable to keep an eye out for it and even built a program to help notify me. I'm pretty serious about my DD (Go ahead and laugh at me. It's kind of crazy).

It's completely believable that maybe it's never sold because people want to keep theirs, but I'm pretty certain no one has swiped it from me. I've just never been given the opportunity to even buy it. I'm here, waiting, and ready. Until then, I'll keep collecting my other favorite things.

>>10049403
>>10050051

Oddly enough, I have two of these too (favorites, I mean), but I could never find the spare I wanted to buy.

My favorites were hugely unpopular even 7 years ago. The only reason I managed to get all the colours of the IW print is because they put the navy colourway into a lot of lucky packs, I picked one up that way and then a red secondhand later on -- but the favorite that looked best on my skin is green, and that's the one that sold out instead of ending up in luckpacks, and with the unpopularity of the dress I just never see it anywhere. I'm still hunting that, and the black colourway of a btssb dress that looked really good on me (I have three colourways of it but black was the most versatile and feels the most cutest).

So if you're collecting them, I'd say buy them now while you can. I'm still looking for these two dresses even now.

My dream dresses are a whole other set of dresses, and I don't even have all of the colourways.

>>10050052
I get this. The DD I'm talking about looks amazing in the one colorway I want, so I never settle for anything else, while the dress I now have doubles of just looks great in all the colorways, so I bought them all over time.

I slightly suspect that no one sells my DD because it's a solid and maybe no one thinks it's really "sell-able." On top of that, I don't really go around advertising that I'm looking for my DD, just in case some random bystander decides they want it as their DD too.

I hate people who say such retarded things about mana- shit like "thank the mana god" and "praise mana" and most recently here: "Blessed are the dumpers, for there's is the kingdom that Mana built"
I know its a joke amongst the community but I feel like people who say shit like this are fucking spergy. Makes my skin crawl when I hear it at meets.

>>10050156
If anyone is "spergy" it's you for getting so worked up about a joke.

>>10050051
Haha oh wow, someone was pretending to be you and people on here still think its worth listening to critique here.

You're ok outside of you might have two of my dream dress but I'll never know because I'm sure you don't want to out yourself by posting the dress
Or this whole thing could be larping but thats always plausible

I only started passive aggressively arguing because the story started to conflict. Such is the master troll >>10049849

>>10050157
Why are you putting a tone to my post that isn't there? I am not worked up. Its a confession/secret thread.
I guess this hits home for you. It must since you auto replied.

>>10050156
Same anon, it's really annoying

>>10050156
May Mana have mercy on your soul, you humourless cunt.

>>10050177
I like actual comedy. Not fucking meme inside jokes.

>>10050179
Welcome to the internet. You're going to hate all of it.

>>10050180
I do for the most part- my Instagram feed is clear of memes and I only follow jfash and makeup blogs.

>>10050056

You know, if the dress is a solid and unpopular enough that people might think it's unsaleable, it might actually benefit you to post it to the DD thread -- not now while everyone remembers you said you had three times the going price stashed away, but try a year or two late, if you still can't find it then. It might be the encouragement some anon needs to dig it out of their closet and sell it to you, or at least post it on LM.

I hope gifs on LaceMarket don’t become a trend, they’re so unnecessary

>>10041591
i agree. I went from a comm with money/usually decent coording skills though many girls were overweight or ugly/no makeup skills to cheap ass girls who only want to do photoshoots and free shit. Half of them wear bodyline or normie stuff and no blouse under their taobao or cheaper brand.
I loved my old comm because wed always go to cute cafes and do fun stuff but also had the opportunity to take cute photos. Here there are so many nice places to go but because most members are cheap and cant cough enough for high tea/events twice a year i rarely attend events. Not to mention them complaining about taobao being too expensive at 110 euros. I get that VAT and customs are bitch but there are also a ton of euro sellers struggling to sell less popular prints for under 70 euros shipped
My comm is also one that doesnt allow others to create their own events though i noticed a group keep making "birthday/unbirthday" meets and all happen to be the best dressed without the mod.
I also dont have the patience for full on photo shoots in the park for 8-12 members. I want a simple coord shot and a shot of my food if its aesthetic.

>>10042934
I agree but I think it's more accurate to say it's expected that people respect old school rather than absolutely like it.

>>10050052
>>10050051
>>10049403
I’ve always wanted to know from anons who have 3+ of the same dress - do you notice inconsistencies, or differences in quality? Are the pattern pieces on non-solids carefully cut to reproduce the same look across the whole line or do they seem to be cut haphazardly or to use fabric efficiently? What similarities and differences do you notice? Please post pics if you’re willing to out the dress!

>>10050287
I fucking hate when people make a huge fuss out of doing "photoshoots" when it's just a small casual cafe meet or something. It's so embarrassing, I usually just have to leave before they even get started since these meets are generally in public. They act like they only wear lolita once a year and thus have to sperg out in some random park for 30 minutes to get their fill, or something.

>>10050156
That kind of reminds me how some people always start posts with “hey frillies!” Or “hello lovelies!” I don’t know why but it’s cringey to me..

>>10050635

I've posted comparison photos before, but I guess they're kind of specific and nothing's really wrong so nobody saves them (also I mostly have print dresses in multiple colourways, not solids).

For the IW dress I mentioned,it's striped and the stripes all go the same direction on the dress. Nothing's different between the different dresses, the sizing seems exact down to the cm, none are bigger or smaller than another. I even have two IW underskirts in different colours and I'd swear the pintucks are exactly in the same place. (I have Infanta underskirts too and ohhhh boyyy that's a different story altogether)

AP is even more precise. If you look up photos of print headbows, there's a high chance they all have the same motif -- a good one is Crystal Dream Carnival, the regular release all have the star as their centre, and the jsk will also have the star as the shoulder pauldrons. I realise it's not a nonprint, but think on it for a minute. They're not haphazardly cutting things out any oldhow, they precisely engineered their processes enough that the thousands of dresses and headbows they churn out always use the same part of the print for a teeny tiny little scrap of fabric. If they can afford this level of precision, they aren't going to cut anything sideways, because it's easier to standardise the whole process and have the whole factory always cut fabric the same way.

AP's special sets are different, though, they always have some money-saving feature, it's up to you whether you care to spot it. The headbow can have different centres, the print is sometimes missing a colour, the pockets can be smaller or missing, the lace is different or lower quality, etc.

>>10042934
People who think all old school is ita don't like lolita fashion for what it is, imo. Old school is a mixed bag obviously and not all of it looks great, but the majority of "classic" lolita aesthetics are rooted in those times, and if someone thinks that idk BTSSB's old designs are ita but loves their OTT chiffon monsters that are barely recognizable as lolita, they probably don't like actual lolita fashion. I don't say anything to people like this but I do judge them.

>>10041245
The re-release of the bat bag is real leather.

>>10050641
Ugh yea I hate that too

I bought the Verybrain apron skirt from mercari for $280 two years back and it turned out to be a replica. Mercari refused to do anything about it. I don't have the heart to wear it or throw it out.

>>10050757
Damn I forgot this isn't lolita related, sorry. Be careful when buying from apps all the same, gulls. I didn't think replicas were a thing in Japan either.

My secret is that I dislike brolitas. For me, lolita is girl space so I will keep it that way in my own bubble. I don’t live in a big city and we aren’t that progressive here. Males dressed as females still get a stink-eye so I don’t really want to be associated with them in a group.

>>10050869
Same.. I really do try to be nice and accepting but I just want it to be girl space. Nobody made these dresses with a man in mind...

The majority of people claiming to have been “bullied” in the community often have just had one person point out something they did. So many newbies take criticism and help as someone being mean to them.

>>10051289
But anon it's easier to cry and call someone else a shitter before actually thinking critically about your own behaviour.

>>10051914
new thread, this one is on autosage

>>10049398
I'm the opposite. I have nice hair but I feel acively inferior to other lolitas because I don't understand wigs and have too much hair to put under one nicely. I feel a bit a ashamed about my lack of interesting hair honestly

>>10051009
moi meme moitie was literally made by a man who wears dresses