/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Can we keep chatting about the clusterfuck that is the lead-up to Traumerei tickets?

Recap from last thread

>Atelier Pierrot announced as guest
>Location announced as Rudesheim am Rhein (but not venue)
>First round of tickets only open to past attendees, vendors, donors, volunteers
>Everyone has to email to register interest to buy a ticket because of a German law that they won't specifically reference
>"Tickets that do not sell out will be made available to everyone who registered." How many are even available?
>14 days until first round ticket sale
>no prices announced
>questions not being answered on fb event

SFE have done amazing events before, how are they messing this up?

>>10032115
Isn't atelier Pierrot there every time?

>>10032135
Not sure, but it's nice to see they'll be there, especially since they carry a lot of different brands.

Cross posting here since someone suggested it.

I recently bought a dress from the user RisseTensai on LM on the vetted discord and it was the single most awful buying experience of my life.

On August 28, I paid RisseTensai a non-refundable $10 to hold a like new, worn once, Holy Lantern Zipper JSK in red, with free shipping. The hold lasted until I got back from travelling on September 14. At that time, I started paying the dress on a payment plan, along with two handkerchiefs I was also purchasing. I paid for the dress (not including the handkerchiefs) $300, which I thought was reasonable, if maybe a little high, for a dress in like new condition. I would have one month/until October 14 to finish paying the dress off. I sent the last installment on October 6. She shipped the package out on October 10.

I received the dress on October 19 before I left for work. I verified the dress and handkerchiefs were in the package, and thanked her at the time. When I got home later that night, I realized that the dress had two major stains and two minor stains on the front of the dress in highly visible locations.
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>>10032146
I was not able to ascertain the nature of the stains, but my best guess was that they were oil/grease based, perhaps from a sauce of some sort. One of the stains was severe enough to have bled through to the lining.

At this time, I decided to ask about a partial refund. Risse apologized for having not seen the stains, and not inspecting it well and offered a $20 refund or the cost of dry cleaning. I was reluctant to send the dress back, having been an international shipment, so I said I would be willing to take it to the dry cleaners and see if the stains came out. If it did, I'd take the refund of the cost of dry cleaning and be done with it. If not, I wanted a refund of $75 for the damage, in addition to the dry cleaning cost.

She declined to accept this plan, so instead at my own cost ($35) I paid to send the dress back to Australia. I shipped it back on October 20.

The package arrived on October 29. At this time, she sent me a payment through Paypal Goods and Services of $280. I understood that there was a nonrefundable $10 deposit, which I understood and accepted. Upon asking why she sent $280 instead of $290, she stated that she was keeping $10 for shipping because I kept the handkerchiefs. Having had enough of the situation, I declined to contest the fee, but i was irritated as the dress had included free shipping, and two handkerchiefs were a negligible additional weight. I then realized she had sent it goods and services, instead of refunding the invoice, so a ~$16 fee was deducted. I had to refund her the payment, and asked her to refund it through the invoice. At this time she stated she couldn't figure out how to refund part of an invoice, and that she would also need to wait until the refund I sent her cleared. I had to inquire about the status of the refund twice before she sent it on November 2, a full four days later.

I will not be purchasing from her again, and I'd advise other people do not either.
https://imgur.com/a/rCdS3Po
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>>10032146

She also posts on the BST threads so watch out for her trying to dump the dress here.

I want to get a cute tattoo but I'm not sure where to put it since I want it to be completely covered up when I wear lolita, even blouseless in summer. The logic place to hide it would be on my upper leg but I don't know if a tattoo would look nice there. I find it very hard to imagine it.

>>10032115
Sounds like they will announce the venue soon, and we do have 2 weeks to get a price. I think you are jumping the gun on saying they messed up.

>>10032135
As a booth yes, they seem to be a sponsor. I don’t know if the designer has been everytime though. 3F likely is a guest and they go to every Europe event, I would expect that announcement soon.

>>10032146
>getting scammed by someone in a “vetted” server

Shocking.

>>10032156
3F are great guests, they were fantastic fun at TPC10. I'd love to see them announced.

I also think the ticket stuff is weird, but I'm sure the team have their reasons for what's going on. I really hope I can get a ticket!

>>10032096
>hot sonic
>jarjar binks
Great picture, great wall

>>10032161
If only their clothing wasn't ugly af

>>10032155
http://lmgtfy.com/?t=i&q=woman+thigh+tattoo

>>10032155
I just got a thigh tattoo and I hated my thighs, but now I kinda like em because the tattoo gives me a reason to look at them and it also covered some stretch marks

>>10032155
I have a tattoo on my shoulder blade and i forget its even there sometimes. Its about 2 inches long and 2 inches wide.

>>10032146
>>10032147
>tfw when you drop a bowl of wings on your dress but feel too lazy to clean shit

honestly amazed how it even soaked through and stained the lining

>>10032115
It bothers me that they just started announcing details like location & one guest, but ticket sales start in a week?
Plus the whole exclusivity thing, how many new people will even be allowed to come? If you don’t see the post about registration you’re even more shit out of luck. Is there no way to sell or transfer your ticket if you later decide you can’t go?
Rolling my eyes at the organizer complaining in FB. People have legitimate questions and concerns she shouldn’t be putting them down for it.

>>10032166
Thank you for showing me a bunch of ugly non-full body pictures of normies

>>10032194
>Rolling my eyes at the organizer complaining in FB.
Link?

>>10032115
I saw the event today and honestly got pretty interested but was disappointed in the lack of information, why don't they add the detail about having to email to register in the description? I always thought it's pretty damn obvious to add as much information in the description as possible to avoid confusion, and limit the amount of "stupid" questions.

By reading this it kinda sounds like the organizers don't have any real experience with arranging events.

>>10032115
>We know we never have enough tickets for people interested
>We can’t announce the ticket price before we announce the venue
>Organizer: Today was rough, I read some really hurtful things online ;w; The haters are so mean
(bitch where?)

>>10032194
If it's the same organiser, her attitude towards the whole thing is so childish and worrying. People have real questions and concerns on the event page and they're being ignored and brushed off.

I'm hoping this is just some teething problems and everything works out fine and it was all just a big misunderstanding, but I'm really worried about this event now. When they announced the location I was excitedly checking for accommodation and travel, but now I just feel like it's just a joke to the organisers.

>>10032210
There was a secret about the event recently, and in one of the last generals someone mentioned that she kept vaguebooking about the event, but that was it, I don't think there was anything personal or nasty (correct me if I'm wrong)

>>10032115
>Everyone has to email to register interest to buy a ticket because of a German law that they won't specifically reference

I really wonder about that one. I never heard about something like that and I've been to two big lolita and several other events in germany. Proably they just use it to see which people are past attendees, vendors etc. Maybe they have no way of verify that in any other way. Most likely you can cheat.
This one really is a clusterfuck.

>>10032219
I think the only reason is she want to choose who will get a ticket and who not.
This "law" thing is just a excuse

>>10032222
If that's really the case the shitstorm is bound to happen.
Any gull that hosted an event in germany able to confirm or deny that law claim?

>>10032219
Oh yes, Germany, one of the biggest countries in Europe has a law that makes buying a ticket for an event a jarring manual process. Who are they even trying to fool here?

>>10032254
They're almost definitely bullshitting. Game of Frills was in Germany and it was a standard ticket system like anywhere else. Unless some new law came into effect in the last few months, they just made it up so they could decide who gets to attend.

Many of my comm were going to go but I've never been before so I probably won't even qualify. Guess I'll save myself from the disappointment and just stay home and save my funds for brand.
It is an odd way to register interest, there isn't even a standardised form. Does this have something to do with Europe's new gdpr rules, or does it go against them?

>>10032158
They don’t vet for shitty sellers, they just want to know if you are actually a lolita and not a shit-stirrer, that’s the only real requirement

>>10032270
Maybe it's an anti discrimination law. Those others events didn't favor volunteers and past attendees

>>10032350
Maybe it's easy for you to wash, but my machine isn't modern by any means so it's pretty rough. It's easier for me to wash cottons. I don't have to worry about snags.

>>10032263
>Germany
>not making a nightmare out of any slightly bureaucratic process
We love our shitty useless paperwork here.

>>10032146
>>10032147
>Not even mentioning that she tried to sign you up for jewish newsletter spam after
You're being too nice.

>>10032407
Holy shit, this and the lm review she left for the buyer, she sounds butthurt.

It looks so huge on her.

>>10032448
AP just keeps getting bigger and bigger, it's not even a cute flattering oversized look. the bodice and sleeves just makes her look bulky

>>10032146
>>10032147
This is just awful. I'm really sorry you had to go through that. I read your review and I can't believe she was retarded enough to not know how to send a refund on PayPal.
>>10032407
Holy shit. What a piece of work. Thanks for outing this scum bag. I've had people leave me negative feedback with selling thing on eBay, but you just take it in stride when you sell a lot. Someone is bound to be unhappy at some point. Using their e-mail to get some kind of retarded revenge is actually illegal in most places.
>y-you're jewish and greedy because I gave you a grease stained HL!!
>just outing herself as a racist

>>10032448
>>10032471

The really depressing part about this is they still made the bodice the same length, so it still doesn't cater to fat or larger people -- the fatter you are, you need more fabric going over your shoulder between your front and back. And larger people are both taller and wider, of course.

So basically the dresses just kind of get more and more niche as they really only fit short fat girls.

idk maybe they main clientele is fat and short. I can't think of anything else to explain it at this point.

>>10032385

Laundry bags, anon.

At that point you'd be way more worried about the lace anyway, lace is basically fabric full of holes ready to snag on anything and rip wide open.

I like baniran and karami myself, but seriously I swear cotton fabric has become the new roleplaying meme or something.

>>10032489
I do use laundry bags. I've just found them to be more fragile in the wash.
Another reason is I have cats. Synthetics tend to attract their hair and they occasionally knead and I'd rather not worry about snags.

>>10032484
This more interesting when you realize I have a Jewish last name and a nickname I go by that is spelled the same as a traditional Jewish first name.

>>10032486
given that the majority of girls in my comm who wear AP are indeed fat and short you're not far off the mark

>>10032486

chubby chinese girls with only child syndrome

>>10032158
This isn't actually a recurring problem. Nice job still being bitter, whoever you are

>>10032222
"Muh laws!!!" is an excuse for shitty problem-solving worldwide. Good to know it doesn't just happen at corporations but also on the individual level

>>10032214
Caps of the organizer's posts?? Plx

>>10032497

Kneading cats will still wear down cotton. jsyk.

But do go on. I'm sure we want to hear more memes about cotton vs poly.

I can't be the only one that finds it very interesting that they are very dismissive towards people asking about the law, and just straight out ignored Y's question about the name of said law?

If they are going to be professional about such a confusing detail they should be more specific about what kind of law it is.

Am I the only one that find it interesting that they don't give any real answers on what kind of law it is, and are generally pretty dismissive about it? Especially interesting that they straight out ignored Y's question about the name of said law.

If they are going to be professional about a detail like this, it would be better if they provided more info on it to prevent even more confusion than there already is. Anyone that's been to/held an event in Germany lately that had to go through a similar process?

>>10032571
Didn't realise Germany had a specific law to ensure all off your bezzie m8s get first dibs on tickets to a public event. I'm keen to go but getting a ticket doesn't even seem that likely if you haven't been before.

>>10032573
I'm not sure if I even want to go anymore. I was so excited but I feel really let down over this. Its so cliquey, its really not what I expected of SFE. If they don't want new attendees, then so be it. I bet the tickets are going to be very expensive this time around anyway, rather spend my money on brand.

>>10032571
I'd love to know if those e-mails are the only way they register you as a past attendee. If so getting into prereg will be easy as fuck.
Thinking about it there can't be much other ways to get data of past attendees.
This is a joke

>>10032571
>you are forced to provide your name and personal information in order to qualify for a ticket
>for an event that we have almost 0 information about
>doesn't even guarantee you a ticket in the end
>this is somehow necessary by "law"

We Orwellian now. Ty SFE.

Hey any ex-sfe attendees who aren't going to Traumerei Wanna hook a gal up with the ticks

>>10032574
Same. seeing all this hassle and previous guests and friends first bullshit. I'm not so sure any more.

>>10032628
Bruh the tickets aren't even released yet

>>10032574
How does arranging through SFE usually work? Do organizers of specific tell them what to write? Are they based in Germany? Or do they have different "branches" or representatives? Considering the quality they deliver seems to vary from reading this thread.

>>10032573
They just posted a vague reply of "there is no name for the law. The law just applies to a situation" what does that even mean?
They posted a link, if anyone with good German can figure it out, Google translate isn't making it very clear
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/versammlg/BJNR006840953.html

>>10032646
>The law just applies to a situation
Does the situation include small super-niche event that nobody except those into the hobby care about?
Because I'm pretty sure German government wouldn't

>>10032656
>wouldn't give a fuck

I'm so confused I didn't even finish the sentence
Also why would such a specific law not have a name? I hope german anons are willing to give us deets on this matter soon.

>>10032646
I skimmed through it with google translate, and didn't find anything that would make it necessary to do all this email stuff. The only thing slightly related would be informing the police about the number of tickets, which can be done after, you know, selling tickets.
>there is no name for the law. The law just applies to a situation
Of course there is no fucking name, they should jut post a number corresponding to said law. This sounds like an obvious scam.

>>10032628
Not even kidding btw. Drop an email and I'll contact you. I want the good tickets, will pay with whatever currency you prefer to buy your burando with. Have proof of your attendance/eligibility though

Hoping for a Rufflechat thread where people call the organizers out on their shady bullshit

>>10032115
>>10032663
Considering that no venue has been announced, it makes me wonder if they actually haven't booked one yet and this is actually a tactic to see how many are actually interested so they know how big of a venue they need to book?

Well I get increasingly worried about CC... I ordered a bag tonight that looked perfect, but then they do something like this.

This is not Romantic Cat and under the description it doesn't mention the fact that it's missing both the back lacing and the pinned bow.

Are we going to have to stop trusting them?

>>10032573
>>10032646
>>10032656
>>10032660

German anon, who's losely following the event here.

Went through the link anon posted. Most of it is just very basic laws for public assemblies (like every citizen is allowed to hold public assemblies when they're over 18 or as the head organizer you have the right to remove people from the event if they're clearly and evidently disturbing the conduct of it - kind of basic). Since the organizer mentioned "liabilities by the regulatory office", I can just assume that they're trying to skimp on the quality of organization and trying to avoid the various local or state laws they must follow when they hold a public meeting. Honestly the way how vague they are, leaves way too much room for interpretation. This could technically go from handling of food, over security and insurance issues (every event needs a civil liability insurance which isn't exactly cheap), music and noise regulations, fire safety regulations, entrance controls and regulations, and many more aspects.

If another anon is interested going the extra miles, they could send a mail to the town office and ask for the laws and regulation regarding public assemblies and events: https://stadt.ruedesheim.de/impressum/index.php

This is a spreadsheet for public assemblies of a completely different municipality, but might give you an idea what kind of things need to be covered: https://www.ostrach.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Ordnungsamt/feste_merkblatt.pdf

Another FAQ kind of page that I found: https://www.allesklar-verleih.com/service/veranstaltung-planen/private-party-oder-oeffentliche-veranstaltung/


But even after all these things, it seems sketchy, because once you pass a certain size, you just can't call it a closed private event anymore, let alone proof that it is one. I'll ask them later for their reasoning behind this.

>>10032646
Nope, nothing in there justifies their actions. It's just the usual rules for gatherings.

>>10032692
Thanks for posting anon. I know nothing of the previous SFE events - were they always organised this bizarrely?

>>10032574
How much do tickets usually go for?

>>10032678
Something similair happened to me with closetchild.
The charm of a op seemed to be hidden within the fabric of the dress on their picture and it was listed as perfect condition. When I received the op, the charm was obviously missing. The price really did not reflect this missing piece (they had a white version of the same op up)... When I wrote to them, they simply said they would be more careful in their future descriptions and refuse a partial refund. Be careful!

>>10032696
Sadly I'm still rather new to the scene, so I can't say anything about them or their trustworthiness.

>>10032678
Yeah stop trusting them so I can get better deals on items, tnx.

>>10032147

Definetly butthurt AND racist

Also reminder that she tried to scalp another Lolita by quoting a bonnet twice its actual market value because ((sentimental value))

Any anons have a recommendation for a fast shopping service? I wanna order from Antique Beast before they close but I have to use a shopping service because otherwise customs will fuck my ass. I usually use Zenmarket but theyre kinda slow.

>>10032752
Japonica

>>10032752
Speaking of Antique Beast, has anyone had experience with their dresses? Are they worth the price?

>>10032752
You can order from them directly. She is very nice.

How do I get intense wrinkles out of a dress?
I left a couple of my less favorite dresses at my parents' place when I moved out and only recently picked them up. Turns out my parents used the closet they were in for storage and two of the dresses ended up getting crumpled under boxes after falling off their hangers. Steaming didn't really help, they still look wrinkly as fuck. They're cheap thin taobao dresses so I'm scared to iron them. Are they ruined?

>>10032484
I had negative feedback selling my old textbooks on Amazon once

>Took 2 days to ship

Uh yeah asshole that's actually pretty fast. I've bought from professional shops on Amazon that took weeks to ship- from in the US! Not to mention LM where someone will ship maybe twice a week, you pay before their shipping day but they don't ship it out until the following one a week later. There are good sellers and awful sellers, and then there are buyers who are crazy too. The HL seller is despicable, that's not something you can overlook like a tiny spot might be

>>10032708
It's not a deal if you pay for good condition and get damaged/ missing items. I am salty with CC too about this. If you don't like the item, it doesn't match whatever you have to take a big loss to resell their damaged shit

>>10032769
I would try letting them hang inside out for a week, to see if that helps, and then try steaming them inside out again.

>>10032671
It'd be social suicide to do that, much as I'd love to. SFE are all old players in the western egl scene, at least one of them was a mod of the LJ community. People would surely defend them, especially anyone getting preferential treatment for the tickets. It'd be a dumpster fire.
I really want to call them out on it. Secrets will be fun this week I guess?

>>10032765
Does she mark down the value?

Do you sometimes browse the COF thread and, upon seeing the thumbs, get the impression of "what, is this me?" on some pics? Sometimes I see people wearing coords that I have used before (nothing fancy, just the basic ones) and making poses that I usually do and I get the feeling of: "wait, I haven't posted this photo on COF!"

I feel pretty~
Oh so pretty~

>>10032752
You can ask Antique Beast to ship to your Tenso address, I've done it before.

>>10032762
Custom sizing was accurate, construction was amazing. Brand tier.

>>10032845
Yes! There are a couple people who look like me, not just the coords

Saw this while browsing IG. Think it’s about design theft? That’s the title of a song but wonder if MM felt this was a bit too close to her own design.

>>10032920
>Brand tier
I...don't think this needs to be said about Antique effing Beast: old as dirt quality gothic brand.

It's a small operation, sure, but am I alone in considering it brand?

>>10032938
MM’s older design

>>10032938
do you have pics of the MossMarchen design you're thinking of?

>>10032945
>>10032943
my bad, too slow lol

>>10032945
see >>10032943

Unless it’s to reach out to collab or something I don’t get why she’d write that on the post.

>>10032938
Does anyone keep up with Moss Marchen's stuff? If it's a song lyric then surely she can't claim it, right? It's also an Oscar Wilde quote. As much as I think it's a mighty large coincidence that VF used that quote it's quite possible that she wasn't keeping up with MM's stuff. I know I'm not.

Also way to air one's dirty laundry.

>>10032949
As far as I know MM doesn’t post a ton on the online store anymore. Seems mostly like she sells in person. The designs are pretty different so I don’t know why it’d be a deal.

>>10032941
It absolutely is.

>>10032951
Yeah I checked her store and it seems she's been on a break for a while. If Oscar Wilde rises from the grave and tells violet fane to change her design, sure. But this 'I'll email you' thing better be a collab because I don't see that mm has a leg to stand on.

>>10032943
Maybe she's interested in collabing by making accessories to match?

>>10032955
Yeah that was my other guess. If that’s the case I think people would be pretty into it. At least, the crowd that’s already into those designers.

>>10032941
>but am I alone in considering it brand
No. OP sounds like a newfag.

>>10032756
>Japonica
>fast

>>10032941
It used to be considered indie band before people started using that for taobao

>>10032983
Nayrt, but they were really fast for me just this past week, though I tend to send emails right when they are opening. I'm also a very old customer, but I hadn't done an order with them in years. Maybe you've just had bad luck?

>>10032991
I've only had good experiences with them, but I've been hesitant about using them recently because of all the negative experiences. I heard that they were overloaded with orders

>>10032920
How much extra does she charge for custom sizing? I'm considering buying an OP from them but I'll be moving soon so I'm kind of on a saving mode, I want to budget accordingly

>>10033028
Nayrt but she doesn't charge extra, however it has to be within 5cm of her listed measurements.

>>10033028
>>10033029
She charged me 500 yen extra for adding 10cm to the length and 5cm to the waist of a velvet piece, which is super reasonable.

>>10033029
Holy fuck that's so nice of her, and 5cm is in the range I was going to ask for so def will be buying from her next opening. Ty for the fast reply!

>>10033031
Np anon, glad to help. I actually went hunting for the info to double check, found it here http://a-beast.ocnk.net/page/1

>>10032990

It's still indie, otherwise we wouldn't have a word to describe all the tiny little brands that aren't big giant corporations like Pina Sweet Collection, Chocochip Cookie, Rosa Bianca, Moss Marchen, Violet Fane, etc etc.

I think >>10032941 was just surprised someone had to say AB is good because it's been around for a really long time and is generally known for gorgeous quality. fwiw I appreciated that someone gave an actual answer to some anon who clearly wasn't around long enough to know AB's good rep.

Incidentally, not all taobao brands are indies. They used to be, but at least Infanta, To Alice and Soufflesong are big enough to be phased out as indies and are more like regular companies. Most of the lolita guides were written when taobao brands were still mostly indies though, so I guess some anons still have not realised the difference yet.

>>10033026
Oh in that case you're probably fine. I hadn't made an order since at least two years ago and they bid on the items I asked for almost immediately on Tuesday.

>>10032762
I got one of her velveteen OPs, it's fantastic! I've also purchased a blouse and loved it.

>>10032991
i know right now they are overloaded on orders, but it took them about three-four days to get to my items and i've shopped with them frequently

i don't mind, i love working with them, very professional and they update me frequently on the products.

Soooo, I very very recently got back into lolita after finding all of my old stuff in storage... last time I wore any of it was ~2004 or so. Anyway, I decided to look around for shops and things but everything has changed so freaking much... My one question though, what happened to cute cutsews? like, frilly tanks with neck ties and torchon lace and a cute screenprint or something? Do any shops still make anything like that? Cutsews are so boring now... wtf lolita. D:

Anyway, if anyone knows where I can get some more cute cutsews to wear with my skirts, help a gal out. Also, what happened to skirts????

>>10033112
Unfortunately as Lolita became more showy and ott, cutsews sort of took a back seat.

Your best bet to pick some up would be to check out Lace Market, Closetchild, or Wunderwelt for second hand ones. They're still made by brands but not as common as they used to be.

>>10033112
Double post but I'm curious, what piqued your interest to return after so long? This is pretty cool, anon. What is the biggest change in the style itself since you wore it first way back?

>>10033112
Bless you, you're like a time capsule, and I mean this in the most flattering way possible.
Anyway like >>10033116 said, secondhand would be your best shot; I've seen some of Baby's printed tank tops floating around yahoo!japan, if you care to look there. On a similar note, skirts have become less popular (at least in sweet lolita) so the brands don't really release them anymore. Again, if you want them, go secondhand.

Although the brands do release some really nice things still, lolita in general has turned into OTT, wig-wearing, polyester, tulle lace, garish print bedecked hell. That said, early 00s style - or old school, as it's called now - is quite popular as well, though many of the active girls that wear it haven't experienced the fashion in those days, they just emulate the styles that were popular back then.

>>10033118
well, after finding all my stuff I remembered how cute and awesome it made me feel, and I decided I wanted to wear it again. It feels like a huge nostalgia bomb.

As for what changed the most. DESU looking through a lot of lolita posts here and elsewhere on the internet, it really doesn't seem like the same fashion at all. The dresses all look different in so many ways, less emphasis on dolly-like details, lace, pintucks. I know this likely isn't the case, but desu a lot of stuff looks cheaper quality wise. I love all the lace and sewing details on all of my pieces, and that really seems to be lacking on a vast majority of the newer things I've seen. I guess prints and chiffon overtook sewing details and sturdy fabrics.

>>10033116
>>10033119
Thanks to both of you. I'm thinking I'll have to start making my own cutsews! I'll check out the places you mentioned though, thanks!

>>10033122
Sorry for all the desu, assuming a filter, my bad

>>10033122
Your impression is pretty accurate, many girls share these views of the fashion as it is now. Kinda sad, really. If nothing else, at least there are still ways for us to get pieces we do like.
Good luck with your sewing, anon! I hope you continue experiencing and loving the fashion your way.

>>10033122
If it makes you feel at home, there are a lot of people who wear Lolita closer to what it used to be (myself included), it's called Old School now, though that often includes styles up until the late 00s.

>>10033112
Maxicimam

>>10033125
I'm guessing I'll be hunting some second hand pieces and sewing some things then, sounds fun to me!

>>10033129
I did run across a few girls who looked more like what I am used to! That really does make my heart happy. The lolita of today is cute, don't get me wrong, it's just soooooo different. Even looking through the threads here is a shock to me. Some of the outfits I would never in a million years recognise as the fashion unless someone told me. I think it's pretty, just not for me.

I'm glad to hear that there are gals out there living it up like it was the early 2000s!

>>10033150
Thanks! I'll check it out

Do old school brand dresses go for more if they have 120 cm bust? There's a cute AP jsk for sale on FB, but it's around $140 and has some staining, which seems way too high to me.

>>10033112
oh god it's that old school roleplayer again

>>10033169
I have never posted here before, but if it makes you happy, keep lying to yourself.

What happened with the whole loligirls taobao reseller alt-comm thing? The one that had links to Unseelie and her weird elfkin bff

>>10032115
They confirmed that registered people have no limited on the amount of tickets they can buy. With that much loopholes in the presale there won't be a general sale anymore.
I'm waiting on people asking how they will verify that someone attented their past event and them giving vague answers cause they will have no way to verify it.

>>10033122
The positive is that you can now pick up a lot of older pieces for cheap.

On the offchance you're real there is an old school discord server you might want to check out. It's vetted so you have to prove you're actually a lolita. https://discord.gg/QQ4NHt

>>10033112
Do you have pictures of your wardrobe? Cutsews were also like that for many years, I think the peak of cutsew detail was around 2008. It's only been recently around 2012 and beyond did things really change. Cutsews now are still mostly like your description (you can't really change stretch fabric) they just use tulle lace now but they often don't have screen prints. There are plenty of older style cutsews floating around secondhand

>>10033159
Most plus size pieces sell for more especially AP

>>10032938
Did MM delete this comment on ig?

>>10032769
Is it washable? One of the best ways to get out wrinkles is to let water relax the fibers, then hang it to dry. When I can't steam something I usually do this. Good luck!

>>10032708
A dress with two missing items and pit stains isn't a good deal at almost 13000 yen. I can bet you that there's more wrong with the dress than CC claims if the previous owner was that neglectful. But please, enjoy your gimp burando if you're that thirsty.

Is the vetted discord accepting new people? And can someone post a link if so?

>>10033273
https://discord.gg/CnPgjWT

There's a few links to other lolita servers here too >>10019867

Just got a twitch account. Does anyone do a lolita Twitch channel? Or a lolita crafting one? I'm interested in following a couple.

Ugh has anyone even seen a nana Kitade usakumya for sale?

>>10033189
>oh god it's another old school roleplayer
Sorry, I fixed it.

This is specific, but what brands tend to have pockets in their skirts and dresses? I need pockets at work but nothing I have in my wardrobe have them.

>>10033408
Jesus you are new as hell

>>10033408
Angelic Pretty has pockets in pretty much everything.

>>10033411
Don’t be a cunt when it’s very obvious they’re new. They literally essentially told you “hey I’m a n00b lol.”
>>10033408
This is perhaps suited better for a “stupid questions” thread, no offense.
But I’ll help you out. Lots of AP jsks have pockets, especially special sets. Back-shirred AP releases tend to have 2 while I’ve had some unshirred and partially shirred AP with only 1 pocket??? It’s a little inconsistent. My three Meta dresses don’t have pockets, and I think out of my 19 BABY main pieces, only like 3 have pockets which kinda sucks but I’m also an old school slutt-o so w/e that’s what probably irrelevant I suppose

>>10033202
SFE is really working hard towards losing people’s trust this time around
Makes me really sad that no one dares to fully call them out because of the huge following of the people behind it. It’s a really ugly way to play of them

>>10033426
Wat, I didn't know baby had pockets at all. I've never had one with pockets. I've probably never owned 19 different ones though

>>10033438
One of them is actually from AatP, my mistake. Others are Baby, they are a cutsew OP I use for casual, and the third is a skirt that pockets are literally like the main feature because I’m garbage and always carry far too much shite hehe...

>>10033411
>>10033424
>>10033426
I wear gothic/classic so I only own IW, VM and AATP. I've never owned anything from AP apart from accessories. I genuinely had no idea since none of my pieces from these brands have pockets. But thank you for telling me.

>>10033434
It's super ugly. They are in a very specific position of social power so they could probably also get away with charging 200€ for tickets if they liked. I wish I had the balls to call them out publicly, but I know even if I did I'd be witch hunted and called ungrateful.

>>10033408
Old moitie

>>10033408
Some h.naoto skirts

>>10033202
>They confirmed that registered people have no limited on the amount of tickets they can buy.

This is ridiculous. So if someone donated to the event they can buy a ticket plus a load for their friends? If they're offering tickets to people who contributed it should one ticket for that person and that person only.
I still think giving priority to past attendees is bullshit though.

I just don't get why they're deliberately being so shady about this. Making up a "law" to give friends priority, leaving a 5 month gap between announcing the event and posting literally anything else, ignoring and dancing around questions on the event page, vagueposting complaining about people having the nerve to be concerned or ask questions, announcing ticket prices ONE WEEK before they go on the first round of sales, fuck man.
If this was anyone other than SFE everyone would've given them a hard pass.

Something must have changed because they've organised amazing events in the past. Is there an organiser changeup? They called for new staff last year so maybe they got some newbies who are making things difficult? Surely they wouldn't let it go this far?

I'm at a loss. If the guest they announce this weekend isn't great then I'll probably not bother trying to get a ticket.

>>10033483
Chill. People like to go to events with friends. Just ask someone in your comm or who you know online to get you a ticket. The event looks like its going to be a great time, even though their process has admittedly been a bit weird. They're probably trying to avoid a situation where they have too many guests and not enough people actually involved in the international community. It's not a convention and we can't think of it like that.

>>10033495
Neither me or my friends are likely to get tickets. I get where you're coming from I still think they're being asses about it.

>>10033501
>newfag detected

>>10033501
Oh that does suck. Are you sure you don't know anyone who can get tickets though? Maybe if you post in bst thread or the vetting discord asking for help someone will be a shopping service for you.

>>10033495
>The event looks like its going to be a great time
Based on what? They haven't announced anything besides the usual guests/vendors that come every year

Last time there was also drama around the tickets with non-Europeans getting priority. I don't care about tickets drama, you can usually get them secondhand, I just want to know who the brand guest is. I won't get out of bed for atelier pierror or triple fortune, they're always there.

>>10032941
No. It's absolutely band tier.
>>10032762
I swear by Antique Beast.

>>10033509
Please be Moitie or Mary Magdalene

>>10033509
>non-Europeans getting priority
With so many American oldfags like octavekitten around I think that's just a given

>>10033512
Your comment makes no sense because there are just as many old European lolitas and they'd obviously be closer to the organisers

>>10033448
>>10033438
>>10033408

You can stick to your favorite brands and simply pick those dresses/aprons that have visible pockets as design features. I don't think I've ever seen one of these that have fake pockets, just be careful that it's actually a pockets jsk/apron and not some embroidery or patchwork dress.

For btssb Pockets Embroidery jsk and some of the tartan jsks have very obvious pockets that are pockets.

Have any of you had any luck with removing discoloration from items from wunderland? A lot of their items seem to feature discoloration so I was wondering if it they were worth it after cleaning them yourself.

>>10033517
by which I mean wunderwelt, of course.

It has always been difficult to get tickets to SFE events. It just shows that there is more interest than they can handle, and I hope the people who can't go to an SFE event will instead support the events in Northern and southern Europe that are less well-known and just starting to grow.

>>10033523
Like which ita infested minicon? Fuck that. What is our money not good enough for the SFE elitist oldfags?? If they want to have a private event and only invite off their gueslist why don't they just do that and stop pretending it's open to the whole community

>>10033524
Myths in Ireland and Hellocon were really fun. Grand Embassy is next week and looks like indie brand heaven. If you don't know what events are on and are just dismissing them all as "ita", then that's to your own detriment.

>>10033524
They just can't make an event for thousands of people. Ticket sales have always gone badly for them because too many people want to go. It's weird, you don't want to go to an ita event but at the same time you're trying to call out SFE elitist for not being open to the whole community? There were other events in Germany that had trouble selling out, how do you expect them to grow? There are several events and brand tea-party's all over Europe every year, but somehow you're all fighting over SFE when they haven't even announced a brand guest yet. And some of their previous brand guests were not even well-liked.

>>10032486
> the dresses just kind of get more and more niche as they really only fit short fat girls
>idk maybe they main clientele is fat and short
ayyyy lmao bitch, just @ me next time damn

>>10033518
Depends entirely on the material and the nature of the discoloration. I’ve had good experiences with things I could soak for two days without having to worry that they might bleed, so I’d be careful with red and anything that has dark colors bleeding into white/light areas.

>>10033448
I have IW with normal big side seam pockets. It's a heavy OP from a few years ago

>>10033527
The main thing people are pissed about is how vague and secretive they are about this, and blame it on a law that just in the end makes them more shady.
And if they’ve been having trouble with sales, why have they earlier claimed their tickets sell out really fast?

I'm interested what SFE is going to do. They have the same concept since the beginning. Nothing wrong with that, but the lolita community isn't big. At least the part of the community that's willing to travel to other countries. Its more difficult to keep it interesting for return visitors if the concept stays the same. Everyone was so excited in my comm when sfe announced something before and that changed.
Still it surprises me there are many people talking about sfe here. Lolitas used to be positive about them. The registration is weird and unfair to newer lolitas. Unless there are enough tickets, but I doubt that. I'm also wondering about a few things:

Why is there 2 years between traumerei and omnia Vanitas? It used to be one year?

Who is sfe? Why do we know so little about them and how this organisation works? For example I don't know any active sfe member from my country. Is it fun to work for them?

Is it a official non-profit organization and how does this work in different countries?

I also wonder why nearly every country, who hosted a sfe event, has their own events. Do they still work together with sfe or not?

How tf do you smile on pictures properly?
If I ever do,people say my face is creepy because of my big dumb eyes. I already got called kinda creepy looking because of them.
It hurts, I just want people to think i look warm and sincere and not a "creepy little doll"

>>10033539
Re-read that comment. They had trouble with ticket sales in previous years because TOO MANY people tried to buy tickets. Its other events in Europe that don't sell out.

>>10033547
You can find all this info on facebook. There are a few "main" organisers and the other people are mods from the country it's happening in. Those local people only organise the event when it was in their country and are not part of SFE after that.

>>10033560
Does SFE have any real say in how the event should be organised in each country, or is it basically only used as a brand name?

>>10033495
All they have to do is make sure they only sell x amount of tickets? It's like a bus, you stop getting on once it's full. This is stupid.

>>10033561
They have a say. The local/temporary staff is only there to scout the location, find a local translator, look after the guests on arrival etc.

>called street fashion europe
>prioritise amerifat oldfags over new euro lolitas

>>10033572
That was the case with omnia vanitas. they're doing it differently every year.

>>10033527
Nobody talks about making an event for thousands. It's about they way they are handling it. I get that past vendors and past volenteers are being favored. They actively contributed to these events. Past attendees however have not. Still past attendees get favored for an unknown reason. Not only that but they confirmed that presale is unlimited ticktes. One person could buy tickets for their whole comm in theory, no matter how many of those people joined past events.
On top of that there is no mention of how they are going to verify if someone actually attended a past event.
They as organizers use a presale system it's obviously easy to abuse for an event that is obviously high in demand. That's what making people mad.

>>10033573
its the case this year too
street fashion Europe more like
>selectively friendly elitists

>>10033577
But at omnia vanitas they really prioritised people from outside Europe in the ticket sale. This year they're asking you to register which is weird but different. Btw the last time I went, there was a vendor who is hated by at least two of the organisers.

>>10033575
Just curious but why do you even want to go?

>>10033578
OH SO YOURE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WITH PRIORITY HUH
so off course youre defending them!! meanwhile a lot of us get stuck outside even if we're from Germany itself

>>10033579
Even if some us want to go, it doesn’t nullify this behaviour from them and it should be criticised

>>10033579
Nayrt but its the biggest egl event in Europe and the guests are usually amazing, obviously people want to go, but it doesn't mean we can't point out that what they're doing is weird.

i tried looking but it wasnt clear. SFE hasnt specified anywhere in germany yet or a general area or when ticket sales will be until?
Is it safe to assume itll sell out really quickly because of this registration thing and the possibly people might buy tickets for the whole comm?
>>10033579
dif anon, but because i want to attend lolita events and im sick of my comm focusing purely on doing photoshoots in the park or anything thing free where they can focus on taking photos

>>10033583
Did you even read their posts or are you just basing everything on what you read on cgl? You need to register regardless of if you have priority or not.

>>10033596
>the guests are usually amazing
Remember when JetJ was there and almost nobody was wearing JetJ to their tea party?

>>10033604
So you just started wearing lolita this year or did you never try to go to their events before? They always sell out within minutes. There are smaller lolita events in Germany and Europe that don't sell out quickly though, even though they also have brand guests.

They actually didn't say they would prioritise people who went before.. Just people who were vendors or volubteers. They said you have to register (even if you never went before) and when you register you should say if you ever went or if you are a volunteer or if you never went.

>>10033613
like what????? all the events i saw pics if looked so freaking ita

>>10033583
Yeah I guess it will be totally easy for me to get tickets because I'm one of the hundreds of people who went 1 time. I couldn't get tickets in my own country either, not because they gave priority to foreigners, but because it's a small tea-party that thousands of people want to attend for some reason.

>>10033617
Then why do they want people that to specify if they've been before?

>>10033575
I don't know why my personal motivation to join one of the biggest lolita events in europe matters when we are talking about using an easy to abuse ticket system.
But whatever here is your answer:
I'd like to join Träumerei because enjoy big Lolita Events. It brings all aspects together that I enjoy about lolita: a beautiful location, an opportinity to meet designers espically indie brands that sell there, be able to shop local, interestenig panels, maybe an opportunity to get a peek at new collections, meeting new people, seeing lots of awesome coordinates and obviously having an occasion of going OTT with my own coord. In the case of Träumerei it's close enough for me that I don't need an extra day off, which is always hard to get for me and the reason why I had to pass on previous SFE events.
I hope you are happy with that answer.

>>10033623
Buy a ticket and sell it to me lol

>>10033617
They did. In their first post about the Tickets in general they clearly stated that one of the factors to be eligable for presale is past attendence.

Maybe this whole sfe vetting is to prevent some banned comm members and undisarbiles from getting tickets because it is a way to grantee they can’t get tickets and to prevent people buying them tickets for them. Food for thought?

>>10033646
why can't they just say that

>>10033625
Maybe they want to give priority to people who have never been

>>10033646
It's true they had issues with that at under the sea...

>>10033575
The question is will past-attendees actually get prioritized or not. I send in a registration and the answer I got back was the same as the one someone who never attended got back. I don’t know how it is for vollunteers and such. Also do they check if you have indeed attended the event or will they just believe you at your word?
To come back to your comment on how one person can buy tickets for the entire comm, they said in the comments that you can buy multiple tickets, but that everyone has to be registered priorly. So what you said would be impossible in reality. Thwy have also had a maximum numbers of tickets you could buy per person in the past.

>>10033673
Diff anon here. How long did it take for you to get the answer back? I received nothing so far.

>>10033300
seconding this request

>>10033549
Take a bunch of pictures of yourself. Find your 'good side,' then always angle your head that way toward the camera. Practice closed mouth smiling, open mouth smiling, smiling with your eyebrows up, then down, having a more 'cheeky' smile so your eyes are closed more, different hairstyles (esp bangs), etc. and see what looks best in photos. If the whites of your eyes show too much for your liking, wear circle lenses. Fake eyelashes may or may not help- try different styles. Also, looking good in real life =/= looking good in photos.

>>10033709 I got a reply around 12 hours after my registration at Sunday

What can you do if a seller on LM is trying to charge you PayPal fees? Like how would you even report that to the mods? Via Facebook only?

>>10033742
You can report listings/sellers using the links in LM

>>10033666
Deets?

>>10033742
I usually just send them a passive-aggressive message like "Hey, not sure if you know, but charging PayPal fees is actually against Lacemarket's ToS!" and include the link. They usually backtrack and claim it was an accident from them crossposting to multiple platforms with different rules once you say that.

>>10033646
I know a guy who got banned from attending TPC events was denied tickets to Myths and they didn't have a complicated pre-registration.

>>10033536
Lucky, I have 40 brand mains and nothing has side seam pockets except my modern AP. Even my older AP doesn't have them.

>>10033578
>>10033572
>they really prioritised people from outside Europe in the ticket sale
There's an actual reason for this and it's not related to whether people are oldfags, it's because people from outside Europe need time to get visas to travel which means they can't benefit from the secondhand ticket sales from people that change their mind about going.

What's happening with lolibrary? It's been down for a few days now.

>>10033760
Right but why are they even trying to reach out to that demographic when they could sell out with just local lolitas and lolitas from neighbouring countries. At least their past 3 events the ticketing system was broken by too many people trying to buy a ticket.

>>10033761
No clue. I just bought two dresses, neither with shirring, without being able to look them up on lolibrary to find out about the measurements. Just praying they'll fit alright.

>>10033761
She's aware it's down, but she's in Japan right now without her laptop and can't fix it.

>>10033742
Name and shame?

>>10033749
I’ve done the same thing before, and remind them that it is also against PayPal ToS as well and they need to watch it or someone might report them to PayPal as well. Then I usually get the “ooohhh I ~never~ knew!! Since when?!” Bullshit

>>10033549
I usually do a tiny closed-mouth smile or a fake half-smile because my wide natural smile makes my upper lip disappear and genuinely makes me look like a grinning psychopath.

>>10033811
This. Its meand to be street fashion EUROPE!!

>>10033872
street fashion elitists. Im so disappointed, I was so excited.

>>10032843
No she doesn't. I live in canada and got fucked with customs. Plus she only ships EMS

Requesting ANY info on the wolf dress. Anon who had that scan, please help.

>>10033888
I've emailed her to ask about shipping & she said she will ship with cheaper methods as well, so...

>>10033523
I’m not going to make a $1000+ food/lodging/airfare trip across the ocean for a tiny event that’s just starting out.
If SFE wants a “best buds” only event then they can do a smaller event, just make it private then. Rent out some castle so the German organizer can have her dream lesbian getaway

Love to watch every AP bitch trend-jumper suddenly loving animal ears, maid dresses and leopard print and other "ita" things now that AP:s making them.

>>10033893
I understand giving priority to people who have volunteered in thanks for their work (on a 1 person/1 ticket basis). And also setting aside some tickets for overseas visitors, because it can take longer to arrange a trip.
But giving priority to ANYONE who has ever just attended a SFE event? There will be no chance for first-timers.

>>10033893
>dream lesbian getaway
Someone invite me to this. I'm clean, fun, friendly, and can eat pussy like a champ

>>10033891
Maybe she changed it? I purchased years ago. Good luck! I hope it works out. That was my experience anyways. No marked down and EMS shipping + tons of custom fees.

>>10033893
I'm sure I remember Kyra mentioning she wanted to do exactly that.

>>10033910
It's rude to talk about things from people's private Facebook like that. Especially if it had nothing to do with SFE, how is it even relevant?
>And before anyone tries it, it's not relevant at all

>>10033910
she's straight though isn't she?

>>10033895
Nobody likes the wolf ears they're hideous. AP has been making bunny ears and maid dresses for years and Meta's leopard print dresses are beyond ugly. Stay mad

>>10033941
>Meta's leopard print dresses are beyond ugly
Say that to my bought-it-on-release face, opinion-chan

>>10033893
Then just go to events on your own continent

>>10033169
>>10033355

>>10033549
>creepy little doll
I wear goth and this is my aesthetic. How do I smile MORE like a creepy little doll?

>>10033945
this is a really good pic of PT wow

>>10033984
There are a few better ones out there

>>10033971
Open your eyes a little too wide.

Has anybody else encountered issues with Lacemarket not sending e-mail notifications?

I had two listings sell on the same day last week, but I only got notified about one of them. I only realized the other had sold today when the buyer messaged me. I went back and doubled checked my inbox and deleted folder and there was no e-mail about the other listing being sold.

>>10034033
I thought this happened to me today, but one of the messages went into the "promotions" folder in gmail, for some reason.

>>10033993
>what could have been

Has anyone ever had any issues ordering from cotton candy feet?

I ordered from them for the first time and the package just arrived today and they sent the wrong item. It was supposed to be a gift for a friend to go with a specific dress and I ordered the gold holo (double and triple checked that my order was correct) and they sent me the silver holo. Anyone else have any issues with them and how did they end up handling it? I sent an email about the problem and I'm waiting on a reply but I wanna know if it's worth holding my breath over.

https://youtu.be/6LVV1VUs7Z8

New Barcroft

>>10033743
>>10033749
told them and they rebuffed with 'It's in my TOS! Send it via friends and family if you don't want to pay the fees'. Lmao just reported them, backed out of sale, left negative review. Fuck that. Not going to shame them I'm not that petty, but I hope my review discourages others from buying from them.

>>10034084
Nayrt, but I had a girl on LM try that on me too, but I just acted nice and said I don't feel comfortable paying family and friends as it doesn't protect the buyer and seller (since I could just do a chargeback on my cc) and they finally invoiced me the correct amount. I really need to leave her a review because no one mentions it at all in her previous reviews and I highly doubt it's her first time hearing it.

I never needed a coat before but I have recently moved somewhere cold. Is there anywhere to buy loliable coats that don't have wool? I noticed all the current Baby/AP ones do.

I just bought this total rip-off replica on Wish for $15, am I the worst?

>>10034111
I have one from ank rogue made of polyester and its super warm and soft! If you're looking for something a bit less pricey, I've heard that sweet dreamer has nice coats and most of them are also polyester

>>10034111
Is there a reason you don't want wool..? Usually people ask for the opposite. The wool coats are warmer.

>>10034111
Some are polyester or cotton, I'd say search secondhand and check lolibrary but it's down...

>>10034130
you'll get what you deserve when it arrives looking a total mess

>>10034111

A bit OT but wouldn't wool be desirable? I remember a time when some lolitas preferred to go taobao because one of the brands had a wool coat that could also be customised with a fleece lining and most of the brand coats that year weren't wool.

Anyhow, if you check secondhand market you might have more luck. Like I said, not all of the brand coats had wool in them, it wasn't really popular until girls started making a fuss over it.

>>10034134
>>10034136
Maybe they're vegan? I like wool myself personally but it's a bit warm for most of the winter

>>10034141
Not an excuse as polyester is terrible for the environment. I'm hoping it's some allergy.
Their coats have varying thicknesses depending on if it's intended for their winter collections or their spring collections.

>>10034134
>>10034141
Yeah, for this reason. Also I used to have a pet sheep and to me wet wool smells the same as my sheep used to... I just don't like wool. Also it doesn't really get cold enough for wool, I think.
>>10034132
>>10034135
Thanks for the suggestions!
Hopefully lolibrary is up again soon.

Has anyone ever done good renaissance/medieval lolita? I remember one really cute handmade lolita who did it but other than that and mozarabic chant I can't think of anything.
>>10033300
I can't help you with that, but I'm thinking about streaming in lolita sometime.

>>10034141
Normal vegans wear wool

>>10034130
Did your bait not get the attention you wanted in the whole new thread you made?

>>10034169
Did not mean to make a whole new thread

Wunderwelt is selling this IW skirt on LM but there are no measurements listed, does anyone recognise it?
My wild guess is between 60-70cm in the waist since it's an old-school skirt, but wanna check with you just in case.

>>10034211
Dropped pic like a dumbass.

>>10034145
If you're veg for environmental reasons wool is actually one of the best natural materials to use. Cotton needs so much pesticides to grow, pesticides ofc do horrific damage to pollinators. A very small amount is actually organic and that percent is usually very pricey if you can even get your hands on it. Plastic-based or plastic blend fibres release microplastic particles into the water when washed.
I don't want to derail the thread into the ethics of wool TOO much, but sheep do not suffer from being sheared. They're having their wool cut off, not their skin.

Moitie/Krad collab first reveal!

>>10034228
Yeah I don't understand why someone who used to have sheep would feel bad about having their wool cut off lol. I've never met a vegan who doesn't wear wool... However a lot of people just don't like how it feels and some wools leave a lot of fibers on your clothing.

>>10034234
Isn't there an old school anon who can apply for designer and save moitie

>>10034234
I don’t mind it, but it just doesn’t really feel like Moitie. It was the same with Miku collab, the dress looked like something AtePie would make. Moitie has a destinctive style, it’s such a shame they don’t seem to make new dresses that are like that.

>>10034234
So it's a standard sheer sleeve taobao dress but made with nicer materials than usual?

>>10034238
We have so many promising Western indie designers. Why doesn't one of them apply to design for Moitie? They're clearly desperate for some new blood but aren't finding it in Japan

>>10034234
Are there any better pictures?

>>10034245
Maybe MmM have really high standards when it comes to hiring their own designers? Doesn't really explain why they decided to team up with a chinese indie brand out of everything though...

>>10034245
Afaik one of Moitie's requirements is fluency in Japanese, which is understandable and surely there must be at least a few western lolita designers who know Japanese well, but I can see why it might be a bit of a wedge that stops westerners from applying. Either that or some of them have applied and haven't been accepted, you never know.

>>10034246
Not yet on Instagram at least. Hopefully soon

>>10034234
This ain't it chief. If it we're just Krad I'd be like, yeah, this is cool. But it isn't.
However on the other hand I'm torn. Moitie hasn't changed its aesthetic much. AP, for example, has switched it up to fit into trends and whatnot. Another brand that refused to change was VM, and look at them now. If moitie never changes their aesthetic, will they survive through the fact that Mana and that particular aesthetic is harder to achieve through taobaoshit that's being pumped out?

>>10034033
I haven't been getting LM emails for like 2 months. Submitted a report, nothing. Now I just make sure I'm checking LM a few times a day if I'm bidding/buying/messaged a seller.

>>10034145
You shouldn't get a wool coat wet. If you've moved to an area that gets snow, you'll need a proper waterproof parka, preferably down-lined. I wear my lolita coat on cold, dry days. For snow, I whip out the normie parka. Nothing else will keep you warm and dry when it's 16F, 30 mph winds, and snowing hard.

>>10034268
Anon that is so laughably wrong. What the fuck do you think sheep do when it rains? Wool coats are some of the best for wet climates because wool retains its ability to trap heat even when it's wet, unlike cotton and polyester.

>>10033954
There are basically none

>>10034274
>Wool coats are some of the best for wet climates
Wtf anon, no. It's not just the warmth factor, the practicality factor. Stay in the rain/snow long enough and your wool jacket will start getting soggy. Waterproof > anything that can absorb water. Also you're talking as though proper winter outerwear doesn't have multiple layers for water prevention AND heat retention.

>>10034261
Yeah I'm tired of rerelease number 100 every time, and none of the rereleases are what I really want (long sleeves, solid, nothing edgy or tacky)

About to stop buying moitie, I wanted to support the brand but not if they stop caring

Have the Chinese not leaked any of the BtSSB tea party reserves yet?? I want my kumya itabag

>>10034261
Actually VM did follow trends, they just did it without betraying their own aesthetic

>>10034297
they're obvously caring more than ever though... just not catering to your specific wishes. i loved most of their re-releases

>>10034274
>What the fuck do you think sheep do when it rains?
They literally run for cover...

>>10034036
I use Hotmail. I was worried it might have gone into my junk folder since some non-spam stuff ends up there sometimes, but as far as I can remember, I've never had a Lacemarket e-mail go anywhere other than my main inbox.

>>10034265
If I just wasn't getting e-mail froms LM, it would make more sense. But I've had another listing sell since then that I did get an e-mail about so this is extra weird.

>>10034145
>just moved somewhere cold
>doesn't think it'll be that cold
I mean good luck with that. Those are the first people to complain when it's barely below freezing.

>>10034268
>nothing else will keep you warm and dry when it's 16F
>16F
I have survived with my brand wool coats very well and we get even -22F in winter. Of course that's not a lolita weather really but to have some perspective. I have never had wool coat get wet from regular snowing and if it's actually heavy just use an umbrella if you happen to be out.

>>10034284
Nayrt, but if it's actually cold, snow will not be wet. It'll brush right off. Where are you from that you think this?

>>10034461
You sound like you've never lived in a place with an actual winter. You go out, clean off your car, get in your car and the snow on you melts. You can't just brush every flake off your body when it's 1 foot deep and snowing hard. You walk to a store, it's snowing, and when you enter the warm store the snow on you melts. Again, you're not getting every flake off.

Friction generates heat, so even as you're moving your body the snow on you is melting in areas as you're moving around and cleaning off your car/sidewalk.

It's not like snow magically sublimates from your body after coming into contact with your physical being.

>>10034472
I do, I live in the northern US. Brush yourself off before going inside. 1ft deep isn't high enough to get on your coat. The little snow that does remain isn't a big deal. It's not like it's soaking the entire coat. Let your coat dry out when you go inside. Or use an umbrella if you're walking for long periods of time and can't be bothered to brush yourself off before entering a building.

>>10034456 This. We get the same temps and I wear my brand coats all winter.

Translated interview with Misako.
Remove all spaces.

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>>10034461
Canada. Like the other anon said, you will become wet since you're not staying outside perpetually.

I mean, wear a wool coat if you want, but it's hardly the best choice for wet and cold climates. Also using an umbrella doesn't work for me because when it snows, it tends to be windy too.

>>10034234
I’d comment if I could actually see the front.

>>10034531
OK anon

>>10034545

>>10034545
Underwhelming

>>10033897
I'm not a les but I would love to go to this as well.
I'd be down for a lolita lady lovefest that was open to frilly women interested in frilly women.

>I've only eaten man-pussy so far but count me in
>p.s. please don't come at me about the above gtxt, I'm not willing to get into that particular war today

>>10034545
I hope that's not white lining/one-sided fabric I see, it looks pretty bad.

>>10034211
I think 60-70 is right if it has quarter shirring.

>>10034545
>High-low hem

Well guess I can save money on this one, thanks guys

>>10034234
hmm, I'm hoping it is a highneck with a collar design like pic related. I really want to see the cuff design, and of course the front, but this is promising.

>>10034546
oh shit I was right!
this looks vampiric and lovely. I can't wait to see some real stock photos

>>10034551
What is man pussy..?

SFE announced their venues and more information.

>>10034545

So it's just Taobao with the Moitie logo slapped on. Great.

>>10034620
barely
>oohh we have cruises and wine
>oohh so extravagant and luxe
>oldfags only
>noobs need not apply

>>10034859
The contrast between the print and the lace on the hem on the OP is ugly af

>>10034859
Completely unnotable. It looks like AP had some extra unused clip art and threw it on a dress.

The headdress is nice, though.

>>10034622
It's fun how they announced a city last week and now 'oh well.... the actual location for the main event is one hour ago by foot from this city. Have fun. Just rent a car' not everyone have a car / driving licence or a boyfriend who drive you around.

>>10034859
All over prints like this will always look cheap. AP is making me sad.

>>10034545
>High waisted
>High low hem
Lol, just what I didn't need. Sorry, I stand by my previous statement: this ain't it chief!

>>10034551
You can't say I've only eaten manpussy then not explain it.
Bussy? A t-guy?

>>10034859
I think the Spoon pictures looked really cute and I bet this looks lovely in person. Some prints/details/fabrics just don't look as nice in pictures as others. I'm not even a sweet lolita and I don't wear AP, but I feel people just like to scream "cheap!" really quickly nowadays. On the other hand, the wolf print everybody is creaming themselves over looks cheap and uninspired to me, but I guess people like it because it's something new for AP.

>>10035066
I like it bc wolves

>>10035068
Well, I get that. I have a husky and I want a wolf print really bad, but that one just ain't cutting it for me. Yes, I say it, it looks like taobao to me, in terms of design choices and theme. I bet it will be better quality, but overall I'm just a fan of more handdrawn looking prints and that one has a clipart vibe to me. I'm glad AP is trying something new though, and I hope it works out for them and people are happy.

>>10032115
If the rumors are true they have different organizers in charge this year.

Their social media publicity is a mess. Too much useless information but no meaningful stuff. I don't care about pretzels if I don't know the main guest.
I work in similar field and this makes me consider if I want to attend the event at all.

Probably I still go there because everyone else in my comm is going.

New thread >>10035078

>>10035074
>Probably I still go there because everyone else in my comm is going.
This is such a dumb normie reason

>>10035065
I thinks it’s just a weird way to say she sucks dick anon

>>10035065
>t-guy
yes

>>10032938
MM is low-key crazy, from what I hear she accuses many indie brands of copying her if there is the slightest bit of similarity to the things she puts out. (VooDooDolly and My Inspiration jewelry are the two that come to mind). Wouldn't surprise me if she thinks that print is theft.

>>10033448
I've seen the indie brand Black Ribbon showing off their pockets in a lot of newer pieces if that helps anon. they put out a lot of classic and gothic from time to time.