/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

I've heard good things about Yolanda and the actual design of the dress is cute but goddamn does it look cheap. I'd be livid if I paid $700 for a dress and got that.

>>10026575
Holy shit, that thing's Yolanda?
What the fuck happened, did they get robbed lmao holy shit

Finally, we're starting to get more news on this event. Next weekend they're announcing a guest and ticket release details.

I hope they actually announce the venue before the tickets go on sale. They're really holding off on announcing that for some reason.

Anyone else worried that the tickets are going to be more expensive than usual? I don't know why I keep thinking this, I just have the strangest gut feeling that it's going to be pricier than normal events.

>>10026575
>>10026576
I remember victorianme reviewed a very simmilar (the same???) yolanda dress and it was like 150$? And it looked less like garbage?

>>10026588
The fabric's shine might be due to different lighting, but how is the price so drastically different? Does Yolanda jack up their prices for oversea buyers like Krad Lanrete does?

>>10026592
>Does Yolanda jack up their prices for oversea buyers like Krad Lanrete does?
Yup

>>10026575
It was 700 canadian dollars tho, the dress is about 530 usd on devilinspired. If I was to blow at least 500 $ on a roccoco looking dress, I would definitely go for a Pompadour OP. Plus it was priced around 600$ by AP, nothing like the 1000+ $ Lor was claiming brands would price a similar design.

>>10026574
Lor loves harsh, shadow-blasting lighting for her videos. I've noticed that there are hardly any dark shadows around her when she films, which indicates a lot of lights used to make her face seem softer. I wouldn't be surprised if this dress looked drastically different in natural or diffused light. It's a pretty dress, I want to see it in different light, and that price is misleading. It's $700CAD, which is closer to $535USD through DevilInspired. FURTHER, I looked at Yolanda on taobao, and they want 1930 Chinese yuan - around $300USD.
So... Lor paid too much. Lor used bad lighting. It's not the dress, it's Lor.

>>10026574
Well she didn't have to pay for it, did she? Thank goodness. She mentioned it's a PR package, and she did recommend new lolitas not to go for it, which seems fair.
I want to say it probably looks better irl? Hopefully, anyway.

>>10026601
>it was priced around 600$ by AP, nothing like the 1000+ $ Lor was claiming brands would price a similar design
And it's a lot prettier, too. No surprise about Lor not knowing anything about brands though.

>>10026606
How did Lor become so out of touch? I like that she's reasonably down to earth and as odd as her personal style can be I sort of dig it, but it feels like she has no idea what happens with brands, what happens in communities, anything.

When did she become an ita-pandering ka-why-ee YTer?

>>10026588
>>10026603
I'm still so confused with the price thing though. Here it clearly says the dress was 150$ for victorianme. Maybe that weird hat is... Also 150$?
300$ still seems like too much for this dress. The tacky gold threads and the style remieds me of Baby Ponytail, and their OPs only sell for around 200$.

>>10026603
>DevilInspired
Yeah but how much is it from their taobao store

>>10026588 #
>>10026603 #
I'm still so confused with the price thing though. Here it clearly says the dress was 150$ for victorianme. Maybe that weird hat is... Also 150$?
300$ still seems like too much for this dress. The tacky gold threads and the style remieds me of Baby Ponytail, and their OPs only sell for around 200$.

>>10026616
iirc she said the hat was part of the pricing, as in the dress and hat = the 700CAD

>>10026616
It’s currently $280,33USD on their Taobao. I know their first release was indeed cheaper and more around the price you mentioned. They must have raised the price big time for the re-release.
Still that mark up by Devilinspired is huge! But we already knew it that they are one of the most expensive resellers. Only newbies buy buy from them, because of all those e-famous Lolita’s promoting their store. Experienced Lolita’s know better.

>>10026588
>>10026616
>>10026624
I really want ScarfingScarves to compare the two lolitas and how they purchased the same dress at different costs. Not trying to throw shade on Lor, but it needs to be done and educate the lolita comm at large that you don't need to buy from markup places.

>>10026580
The previous one (Barcelona) was cheaper than the event before that (Amsterdam)

>>10026615
Reading helps
> I looked at Yolanda on taobao, and they want 1930 Chinese yuan - around $300USD

>>10026580
It's in Germany. Depends on where in Germany. Eastern Germany is cheaper sans Berlin. Bavaria would be the most expensive.

Speaking of Yolanda, a ring of mine snagged a thread on my Bunny's Herbology up front and centre. All the snagged thread fixes I've searched for online only instruct on how to tuck the loop back in again, not how to deal with a white streak of running thread in printed polyester. Help?

I really want to fix this because I have only worn this dress twice. Perhaps nobody else will notice the little snag, but I notice it all the time!
>Forgive the overly saturated photo and edgy filename.

>>10026626
Probably won't compare the two individuals but it'll be pretty informative to newbies to compare the two ways to buy, i.e. with a shopping service or via reseller. I doubt this is something LWLN would be interested in though, it's not exactly entertaining.

>>10026588
Isn’t this the same dress? And I went onto Yolanda’s taobao site and it says the dress is only like $230 usd. Devilinspired is a scam and anyone who buys their listings are getting robbed. Even other taobao agent websites sell the same dress for almost half the price (about $350usd). Shame on Lor for promoting that shithole website.

>>10026624
Nayrt but I'm pretty sure this wasn't a rerelease... I believe you're thinking of the Hinana Queena dress, which was much cheaper. Yolanda marketed this particular dress as being high quality materials (bamboo shantung) which probably explains some of the price difference.

All the MTO talk has me bummed out. My only dream dress is the Sweetie Violet OP in lavender and I missed the MTO by like two weeks. Not that I had/have the money, but I would have made an exception for that.

I'm hoping that someone who ordered it will end up deciding to sell it so I can have the opportunity to get it after all, especially if it's still NWT and not more than $200.

>>10026672
>nwt not more than $200
but original price is more than $200

>>10026672
>"dream dress"
>wants it nwt for less than 200 dollars
Are you serious?

>>10026580
To me it sounds like they are trying to make it more exclusive than ever. Priority ticket sales only for people who have been long time supporters of SFE events. A lot of German lolitas probably won't have the chance to attend an event in their own country because of this.

>>10026635
I may do this if no one else does...seems like a way to inform newbies

>>10026629
I saw that after, I posted too quickly like a dumbass

>>10026574
>Not starting the thread with Boz and instead using taobao shit

>>10026624
honestly as a newbie i knew sooooo much better than to use devilinspired. it's stupid of you to not compare prices before you buy your shit

>>10026674
>>10026681
Easy there. I never said I expected to get it for that. I know the MTO price is $284 it says so right in the graphic I posted. I was just saying that it would be nice if getting it for that was possible since I don't have that much money to spend. And it would be nice to get it NWT since I missed the opportunity to buy it NWT twice now.

UK anons - is it worth taking part in the fashion show at Hyper Japan? Applied because I wanted to model for VM, turns out I only got qualified for the one where you're presenting your own coord. I've never been before though so not sure if's much fun at all, worried it might be a bit ita.

>>10026626
>One girl bought a dress for cheapish
>One girl received a PR package for free that would have cost more
Boom, video over. Waste of time.

>>10026742
I'm not going to HJ, but just because some people look bad, doesn't mean you have to. In fact you'll stand out if you look good, right?

>>10026746
You mean
>one girl bought a dress for cheapish
>one girl received a PR package for free, from the most expensive taobao reseller, which marked up the price more than 2x the original, then claimed resellers are cheaper than using shopping services in a video to her 50,000 subscriber audience

also doesn't scarfing scarves cover multiple topics in one video?

>>10026682
>This will be based on a variety of factors, including past donations, past volunteering, past brand/stall participation and past attendance. Tickets remaining after the first round will be offered for general purchase as usual.

I think that's such shit, there hasn't even been an SFE event since last year, and they've only had what, two or three events total? That's also such a big closed pool of people to offer a first round of tickets to. I always want to believe that the EGL/LJ oldfags aren't this cliquey but they do everything to prove me wrong.

I hate all this ~exclusivity~ shit. If you want to have a big private party with just people YOU like, just do that. Don't wave the carrot over everyone else's heads.

>>10026746
>>10026752
the dress that victorianme bought wasn't cheapish, it had a better value.

want to define cheap? buying malk over milk is cheap.

>>10026758
Ok don’t go then. Critiquing an event that hasn’t happened just makes you look dumb. No one said you couldn’t get a ticket.

>>10026766
We're allowed to talk about it. Don't act like the whole run up to this so far hasn't been a mess. I want to see it be a great event, and hell it probably will be, but the secrecy and exclusivity isn't impressive, it's frustrating.

>>10026672
>>10026716

Stuff that's been through MTO tends to sell pretty close to retail, because it's a bloody six+ months wait for the dress itself even the impulse buyers who no longer want the dress tend to feel they can afford to wait another six months for someone willing to pay at least retail price.

The only way I could see someone turning around and taking a loss on an MTO they'd just received is if they had some kind of trouble and will take a loss for fast money.

I'm after the pink colour way and would like it cheap myself, but I can't really feel good wishing ourselves luck because it likely means we're praying for some innocent stranger out there to run into trouble so that we can get a dress for cheap. idk, I'd settle for a used dress at $200 or maybe try again in a year's time when the sellers just want the dress gone. It's not my dream dress though.

>>10026682
Agreed, the lolitas living in the country it’s taking place in should get first dibs.

>>10026638
>Lor receives a dress that's expensive in the currency WHERE SHE LIVES (Canada) literally for free as long as she reviews it
>"oh em gee she's not mentioning its value in USD!!! scam!!!" even though she said right in the video the Canadian dollar is shit right now and also specifically linked to her videos on cheaper, more affordable methods for buying lolita
>"shame on Lor"

seriously it's not that big a deal??
sit down and let Lor be happy about her dress. if you or other newbies don't want to buy using a reseller you don't actually have to, fyi.
also fyi, buying from taobao can be difficult for newbies and sometimes resellers save time and hassle, even if they markup the prices.

>>10026693
I know it's Boz but that design is super awkward, and if they can't even press it properly for stock images it will probably look really dicey irl

how does payment for the CTP/MTO work?
do you pay half now, half when it's released, or the full price only when it's released??

>>10026682
Yeah what about people who have never gone before? Now there will be less chance for them only because the organizers are clique-y. Anyway heard the location is in BF Nowhere

>>10026791
You could pay full price now or half now half when it's released through Japanese SS. But that's over. For AP USA/AP Paris you have to pay the full price upfront and I don't know why you'd assume otherwise.

>>10026791
They charged me the full amount now but I ordered through the us store. Might be different in Japan

>>10026790
It does look quite awkward pulled as a cape, but it's supposed to be multifunctional and looks better as a hood imo.

>>10026790
>>10026800
But also the back is like this when it's a cape. I think that's why it ends up looking a little strange from the front.

>>10026626
Unrelated to the Lor/DI discussion, SS looks fucking adorable here. The clip-in bangs she wears with her natural hair really do her no favors. I wish she'd either wear this blonde wig more often or cut the side pieces off of her fake bangs.

>>10026798
I paid half up front when I ordered in Tokyo, but that MTO ended already.

I'm looking at a lot of Shelgit items and they're saying things like MADE IN CHINA on their listings. Has that always been the case? Is Sheglit's quality still good?

Also, what other brands are quietly manufacturing in China now? I know MmM at least is still Japanese made.

>>10026787
In the video the dress was listed at 500 usd. So that's still a 150 difference. Still a fucking scam lmao

>>10026603
We all know Lor did not pay full price for that dress, she is just reviewing Devilinspired and the dress, and also CAD is shit right now. Calm down. She does plenty of other good content.

>>10026917
Check what Usd to cad is, because she said she converted it to her currency. Damn you guys are stupid.

>>10026901
Made in China doesn't guarantee shit quality and made in Japan doesn't guarantee good quality. It's all about the individual factory.

Anyway, I think Btssb/AatP are still mostly made in Japan, at least for main pieces.

>>10026616
What brand is the dress she's wearing?

>>10026787
calm your chins. Just because Lor is some popular YouTuber doesn’t mean she’s not cleared from being called out on doing something stupid.

>>10026901
The quality of the Sheglit items I have is very nice, I didn't bother to check where they were made but they're newer from the past couple years

>>10026901
Baby's cotton pieces are made in Japan but their chiffon stuff tends to be made in China.

Source: I own a heck of a lot of Baby from varying years and checked the tags

>>10026953

>>10026949
so it's a 200 dollar difference which is even worse

>>10026949
The dress was 700cad. Which is 500usd. The dress is sold on taobao for 230usd. What part of this do you think we don't understand?

>>10026953
Maxicimam is made in Japan still. But idk if we are discussing strictly gothic brands.

>>10026787
Lor shows the listing in usd as $530 on devil inspired. That’s still a $200 increase compared to what competitor websites are selling it for. Websites that don’t have the scammer drama attached to them

>>10026901
I'm not sure about the brand's history, but the 2 pieces I own from Sheglit (bolero and corset) are made in China. No complaints about their quality and the bolero is lined.

I checked some of the newer dresses I own and can confirm that AP chiffon pieces seem to be made in China too. Meta's latest re-release of Dozing Cat was made in the Philippines.

>>10026953
Yeah, but it does guarantee employee safety and fair wage.

>>10026638
>Even other taobao agent websites sell the same dress for almost half the price (about $350usd)

links?

>>10027045
I literally googled the name of the dress
My lolita dress had it for 320 but preorders closed
Lolitawardrobe has it for 370

Yes, I'm in love.

>>10026953
Made in China does guarantee some degree of shit quality. You really think those factories can beat first world atelier shops with direct oversight of designers?

If you think you're so right, tell me one Chinese brand made by Chinese that can beat a Japanese brand made in Japan or even a Japanese brand that oversees a Chinese factory. Chinese don't know shit about quality, nor do they care, and the consensus among the Chinese lolita is that's true, too.

>>10027065
Don't be such a weeb, literally almost everything is done in China, even japanese shit.

>>10027066
Sorry Chinese lolita, but your taobao is shit.

>>10027084
but chinese lolitas are the ones buying brand while poorfag westerners are the ones buying taobao

>>10026633
same actually, i snagged my bunny herbology and looking at it reduces my lifespan by 3 weeks. you just learn to ignore it.

>>10027055
beautiful christmas print

>>10027086
That's not true at all and you can even see it in this thread. This girl >>10026588 is literally a Chinese lolita buying toabao. Only the ultra wealthy Chinese buy Japanese brands. There's an entire wannabe industry made specifically for the more poor Chinese over there.

>>10027090
then why do brands cater so much to chinese lolitas? they buy more brand than westerners

>>10027094
Do the Japanese not exist to you?

>>10027065
Guo pei is a certified haute couture designer and she has all of her designs made in china in her atelier. Certain embroidered pieces take thousands of hours and hundreds of workers (i.e Rihanna's 'egg' dress)

>>10027095
i'm pretty damn sure chinese lolitas buy more brand than japanese lolitas
there's a reason why there are so many shanghai exclusives

>>10027065
>Made in China does guarantee some degree of shit quality. You really think those factories can beat first world atelier shops with direct oversight of designers?
I'm assuming you've never been to business or fashion school, but read http://www.thefashionlaw.com/home/are-your-made-in-china-luxury-goods-just-as-luxurious.. If you don't believe that article, the Kering lawsuit case might be more familiar: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kering-group-sued-made-italy-eyewear-claims-1014709, https://fashionunited.uk/news/business/kering-faces-lawsuit-over-made-in-italy-label/2017062024897, https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/kering-defends-made-in-italy-selima-optique-lawsuit
Even items "Made in Japan" don't actually have to be 100% made in Japan. The average clothing item usually goes through 19 hands, from designer to manufacturer, quality check, etc. but only one country shows up on the tag. So long as a brand assembles the finishing touches on an item in Japan, they can write an item as made in Japan.

>inb4 angry taobao lolita
Prada, Gucci and Miu Miu all went under fire in the past for false information about material resourcing.

>>10027065
>or even a Japanese brand that oversees a Chinese factory
This would still be Made in China

>>10026798
In Japan you paid half upfront and you'll pay the other half when you pick up the dress

I'm glad Cinema Doll didn't get released in the states but I can't figure out why CTP did. The staff at the Tokyo store said it was a Japan exclusive. Thanks for lying

>>10027095
You don't see Japanese lolitas buying every colorway of a dress that they like. All of those photos of crazy huge wardrobes and the Bless from Saint Michael rainbow are from chinese lolitas.

>>10027099
If that's true, how many brand stores are in China and how many are in Japan? Why can't they single-handedly take the industry to China if they are the "new audience"? Because they can't actually support it like that. The only Chinese buying brand are the wealthy like the rich in Shanghai. You do understand that there's been Paris, NY, and LA exclusives merchandise, too? It's not an indicator of "buying more". Shanghai is legitimately throwing money at Japanese brands, though, but the Chinese as a whole? No.

>>10027065
Have you considered the entire smartphone industry

>>10027103
How many complaints have people had about AP's quality dip because of China? Even so, a Japanese brand overseeing a Chinese factory still manages to be better even than the "best" Chinese taobao brand. Don't ignore I said it like that on purpose.

>>10026629
It’s actually 280 usd to be exact. She definitely overpaid for it. Yikes.

>>10027090

She buys both brand and taobao. Right after that video she literally did a gigantic brand haul (can't remember if it's AP or Baby because I don't care). She also has a nice collection of VM and MM.

>>10027109
Sorry anon but money talks. That's why brands like BABY will throw fancy tea parties and fashion shows for Shanghainese lolitas, but not for their western locations.
Exclusives are hardly a good way to gauge what locations are popular/shopped at the most though since lolitas from other countries often use shopping services to get exclusives if they really want them.

>>10027116
By your own logic, "follow the money", there should be more brand stores in China, but there isn't. Shanghai is sort of like a crazy wealth spike in China that doesn't at all represent the rest of the country.

To you are me, the richest lolitas of China absolutely beat the "richest" of Westerners. Absolutely. Can you think of a single Western lolita that can beat Bless from Michael weibo lolita, for example?

But if we'd measure average Americans or Europeans vs. average Chinese, then we beat them in average wealth by a longshot. That's also why we have brand in Paris, multiple in America, and places that are multi-brand like Tokyo Rebel. Why do you also think you can buy tons of shit from aliexpress and taobao for basically nothing? The yuan is not a first world currency.

That circle of wealthy lolitas support what's in Shanghai and the brand pandering tea parties there, then everything else is the taobao market for poor Chinese.

man I just really want a Honey Cake rerelease

>>10026901
As far as I know Sheglit has always been made in China with some accessories made in Japan. Sheglit will usually always include that information in their item descriptions. I have no issues with the construction but a lot of their Lace choices look cheap and especially with red items sometimes shades will not match.

And some newer MmM items are not made in Japan by the way.

>>10027199
Cgl made me waiting for HC rerelease like it’s actual thing that comes soon, although there’s no base for such expectations other that anons suggestions.

>>10027202
The AP museum came out with a HC postcard and allowed people to vote for their favorite print, HC being a choice. There's a chance.

>>10026615
200 maybe 300

>>10026624
I did think it was weird of Lor to buy from a shopping service instead of just going straight to taobao and getting it for cheaper there.

Like WTF LOR use fucking taobao its right there , and if you dont know how to use it look it up. I always use taobao cause its a cheaper method than having any other SS scam me out of my money for a dress I want.

>>10027221
She got the dress from devilinspired as PR, she didn't pay for it, they basically gave it to her so she would promote them to her viewers.

>>10026742
There will definitely be itas and also the dreamy bows girls will be decked out in all brand flavour of the month looking the same as each other so it’d be nice to see some actual good lolita coords.

>>10027199
Me tooooooo
When Ap when

>>10027251
They had Honey Cake as an option for the print contest during the museum event, I voted for it! It was also on display at the museum so I think it's totally possible we'll see a Honey Cake rerelease. Believe, anons!

>>10027205
do you know which dresses were the other choices?

>>10027260
Pic related, from the AP museum thread >>10019839

>>10027088
No... There has to be a way, right?

I'm actually considering hunting down some artist friend who's got lose pigment (like that pastel thing you use for dolls?) and just covering the white thread in it. It will probably make the dress unwashable with risk of bleeding, which is a steep step for Taobao... But fuck, learning to ignore it seems so darn hard!

>>10027055
>Those shoes

Neeeed

>>10027201
Out of curiosity, what Moitie isn't being made in Japan? I'm assuming it's accessories and such because I just checked my 2018 main pieces and they were both made in Japan.

>>10027272
OK it really depends on if you can find the edge of the thread, but if you have a needle and some tweezers you could actually pull the thread to put it back in place… I’ve done this for like, one or two pieces of clothing but they weren’t lolita so I don’t know if it’ll work

>>10027090
I'm a filthy western lolita and I buy mostly brand but I also buy taobao shit.

Quit trying to speak for everyone and lump groups of people together.

>>10027126
>there should be more brand stores in China, but there isn't.
And yet Baby and AP are in San Francisco for literally NO fucking reason because those stores are almost always empty.

But hey, building a store somewhere means there is demand right?

Explain it.

>>10027272
Use acrylic. It's plastic so it doesn't bleed. Also use a very, very, VERY thin brush.

>>10027106
That's because of the culture difference. Not because they haven't done it.

>>10027065
How lovely, a weeb that knows just about nothing about Chinese manufacturing.

>>10027307
How do you know this? Do you actually live in China? Why do people assume so much shit about china when they have never been there.

>>10027328
How is having been there relevant? I can see the cultural difference about consumerism when shopping in Japan and watching their behavior.

>>10027090
If you'd ever looked at 2.taobao or weibo, you would know that many non-wealthy Chinese lolitas buy Japanese brands. And that most ultra-wealthy Chinese lolitas also buy Chinese brands. Much like Western lolitas, each Chinese person is also an individual and can be idiosyncratic! Gasp

>>10027337
Because china is pretty shut off from the rest of the world. Notice I didn't mention Japan?

>>10027343
What's your point? We're referring to the wealthy Chinese who actually leave the country and buy things in Japan.

>>10026609
Since she moved to Canada. I firmly believe she doesnt even like lolita anymore and she's only wearing it because of yt.

>>10027356
What do you base this speculation on?

>>10027365
not that anon, but she's made videos recently about how "uncomfortable" it is, and stated she doesn't even wear it that much, etc.

>>10027294
>>10027302
Hah! I knew posting my woes on my stale bread gobbling forum would yield some kind of advice. Thanks gulls!

>>10027346
because >>10027307
mentioned that it was a cultural difference.

>>10026758
It's going to be nearly impossible to get tickets when I hear this. I also keep wondering why it's taking so long to announce information. The event was announced months ago and there is still no basic information, just the country. Does anyone know what's going on with SFE?

>>10027342
No way anon, all Chinese people fit perfectly into molds that ignorant westerners think up!

>>10027342
>poorfags of any kind buying brand in China with its crippled currency
I like how you think it’s “Just like the West!!!!” and anywhere other than a few places like Shanghai and Hong Kong have money. You’re clearly not Chinese.

>>10026766
All of their previous events sold out dumbass. There are people who wanted to go to every SFE event, but couldn't get tickets. I've only been to 1 of their events for that reason.

>>10027488
I thought the Barcelona one didn't sell out?

>>10027301
IIRC when they shut down in Paris someone from the SF store confirmed they weren't in danger of closing there because their stores outsold some Japan locations

>>10026970
2015 Vampire Nocturne is polyester but was made in Japan, while the cotton pieces I have from the 2016 Baby Classical Series were made in China. Baby were making boleros and cardigans in China as early as 2007.

>>10027496
Then how come their stores are empty all the time and lolitas visit the store and don't buy jack shit??

>>10027527
>lolitas visit the store and don't buy jack shit?
Funny how you know everything that every lolita does at the store, do you work there?
Maybe they visit because they want to see a lolita store in person and don't buy anything because they can't find anything they like. That happens. No one is obligated to buy anything just to earn the right to be at a certain store.

Anyone in toronto been to twylite fashion?

>>10027540
Oh hey I heard about that place! It has a website that hasn't been uploaded in forever. I wanted to stop by on my last visit to toronto but I didn't end up having time.
I too would like to know what it's like in there.

>>10027530
I'm not saying that, geez.

But other anon was talking about how come they don't have a fuckton of stores in China, because supply/demand argument.

My point is that obviously isn't the case because we've got empty stores in the US in a rich city. They must be selling hella shit online cause it sure as fuck isn't happening at their store.

So clearly, trying to measure who the brand really caters to by way of how many physical stores they have is not possible.

>>10027552
Iirc there was some speculation about the possibility that AP and Baby aimed to have stores in Paris and NY for the novelty of it, especially the former. Wouldn't surprise me if that were the case; IW's Fujiwara was quoted saying she'd love to have a store in England when it's financially possible, and she's a huge teaboo so it makes sense.
I don't know if it applies to AP and Baby, but again, wouldn't be surprised if it does.

>>10027562
>IW wants shop in England
Wonder if she'll reconsider that after Brexit makes it suck as a Euro hub

>>10027565
Likely. I don't quite remember when that interview was held but it was definitely before Brexit happened. I feel bad for the English lolitas, really.

>>10027261
Praying for a milky berry or sugary carnival rerelease

>no milky planet

>>10027540
It sucks. Sells kstar and taobao marked up

>>10027562
Baby store in NY shut down though?? Guess they couldn't afford the novelty of that particular city?

>>10027611
Baby Paris shut down too, and iirc AP Paris struggled and shut down, and later reopened at a different location, they seem to be doing better now.
>Guess they couldn't afford the novelty of that particular city?
That's exactly my point, though to be fair they'd probably do decently at these cities if the stores had better, more visible locations and better management.

>>10027623
Sorry, I didn't mean to come off that way!
I guess Shanghai location is more popular considering they have all those big ass tea parties? I think it's pretty obvious that a lot of Chinese lolitas buy up all the brand. But I'd still like to figure out why it is just more popular there as opposed to everywhere else. People claim its popular in the west, but it's nothing compared to how I see it in China.

>>10027570
It was during Regalia, the TPC event she was guest of honour at.

>>10027654
That's the one! Thank you anon. That was before Brexit, wasn't it?

Limited quantities as usual, but it's so adorable.

>>10027126
Nayrt but Japan/China relations have only recently started improving. It’s possible that they may build stores there in the future, but not that long ago many Japanese businesses that had branches in China completely withdrew because of tensions between the two countries.

>>10027261
I would love it if they re-released honey cake in a longer cut

>>10027261
I’m sure that’s just a desaturated mint color, but the Rose Toilette option looks grey to me and god a gray colorway would be so fucking nice

>>10027261
Imagine castle mirage in cuts that aren't trash

>>10027562
Yeah, but she never did make a store in England. You can't just dream it up and hope it works and they know that as business owners. They put AP and Baby in Paris not just for "novelty", but because it was for all of Europe and tons of Japanese tourists. LA has a huge Asian population and there's Little Tokyo there. Even NY, which was calculated because NYC is the biggest city in the US, have struggled to keep j-fashion brands open. I can't believe people are stupid enough to think stores overseas are ~novelty~ and can be plopped in some desert and make it up in online sales and Chinese on a pilgrimage.

>>10027766
Mint Rose Toilette is very desaturated in person, it's def just the mint. Gray would be quite pretty though.

>>10027763
Watch AP deliver but only in this cut

>>10027698
OMG wanttttt how do you even order this ? I hate the fact that they don't have a online shop

>>10027952
find a SS that's going to designfesta

>>10027782
I never said it was JUST for novelty, just that it wouldn't surprise me if the brands having a brick and mortar store in Paris *did* also have that aspect to it. It's merely speculation, no need to get so angry.

What do you all tell your families this fashion is called?
For a long time, I just tried really hard to avoid it, but now when I'm pressed for an answer, I say it's "otome"
I figure if one of them Google's it, they probably won't be able to tell the difference
What about everyone else?
Do you say "Lolita" and then have to explain the history, or do you say Lolita and not care? Or do you also just like like I do?

>>10028079
I just go for "elegant gothic lolita" bc word sandwiches generally tend to confuse the masses and at least that way they can recognise that it's a gothic substyle, something they might understand a bit better. My mother just calls it "lolita" and she's usually pretty scandalised that people immediately associate it with the book.

>>10028079
I discovered it when I was a teenager and didn't know much about the connotations of the name so I felt comfortable calling it lolita right off the bat, and my parents never had a problem with it, either because I was very matter-of-fact about it and didn't shy away from it (thus didn't make it seem like something to be ashamed of), or because they didn't know about the connotations, or both. The same principle works when I talk to strangers too, actually, but I guess that depends on where you live.

>>10028079
My family know it's called lolita and the names of some of the brands. They understand it's not a secret sex thing (mostly), so it's fine. I've been in lolita for nearly five years now though so they've had a long time to get used to it. I avoid namedropping, ever, with co-workers though.

Also have you...ever actually googled otome? It comes up with otome games, and if you add "fashion" to it there are crossover results with lolita pages anyway.

>>10028079
I'm so glad I don't have to deal with the whole "talk to my family" bullshit.

>>10028079
When I got into the fashion ten years ago I told my mom it was called lolita. She flipped out for a second but when it was explained to her she understood. She only knows the name lolita not from the book or movie, but from Amy Fisher, “the Long Island Lolita”

Tangently related, but I noticed nowadays many normies aren’t familiar with the book/movie Lolita anymore. I was at a meetup recently and a normie woman asked us why we are dressed up. The group was silent for several seconds so spoke up and explained this is a Japanese street fashion called lolita. The woman smiled, was polite and didn’t seem to react when I said lolita. But then someone else in our group chimes in with “AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BOOK”. Now this made the woman react weird.

I think if we are tired of being associated with the book we need to stop bringing it up at every opportunity.

>>10028185
>we need to stop bringing it up at every opportunity
Strongly agreed. If someone asks
>Oh, like Nabokov?
Then you can deny the connection, or give a more in depth explanation if the situation allows it; but otherwise, immediately jumping in with
>it's not about the book/movie/ageplay/little girls/seducing old men at all!!!
can plant these associations where they weren't before and makes things so much worse.

Why are the edgy tryhards on Rufflechat the most mediocre lolitas? I don’t see any of the better dressed lolitas commenting as often or as obnoxiously.
Commenting on every post won’t make your shitty coords better.

>>10028197
That's true but someone "not reacting" like in >>10028185 doesn't mean they're not thinking it. When I met one of my current friends she asked me about lolita, I explained it was an alternative fashion, thought it was all good because she seemed fine with it. Few months later she told me she had totally thought it was a kink thing but hadn't said anything because she wanted to be polite and only realised it wasn't when she Googled it later.

>>10028209
It's polite to make some attempt to censor names anon, not everyone who posts to RC uses a fake name profile.

>>10028209
She's trying to make up for her mediocrity for always being a bitch

>>10028209
The better dressed lolitas have more to lose

>>10028211
You don't know what most people are thinking nor do you get to discover how total strnagers really felt when you told them what lolita was on a street corner.

>>10028211
True, but in the case of curious strangers it doesn't really matter whether they secretly think it's a sex thing and don't voice it because you'll likely never see them again, unlike in your example.

>>10028211
There’s nothing we can do about people thinking it’s a secret kink thing, but on the off chance they don’t have negative associations with the term Lolita we should keep it that way. Bringing up how lolita fashion totally isn’t some weird fetish thing is what would make us look weird to people. Goths don’t go around proclaiming they totally aren’t satanists to everyone who will listen.

>>10028209
I searched for them on CoF out of morbid curiosity and yeah neither of them look great

>>10028230
Also isn’t this the girl that hates replicas?
I saw her commenting something about burning replicas but she’s wearing a replica of Baby’s dessert OP right here.
For someone that’s this loud about her opinions she really is a hypocrite.

>>10026626
OT but she looks so hot as a blond. /creeping

>>10028215
Its also in the board rules.

>>10028209
There is a girl like this in my comm. She also has this lol so random personality irl, where she is trying very hard to come off as smarter than everyone else with her passive aggressive sarcasm. On LU she also only ever comments on the releases she finds ugly insetad of saying something nice for once; as if we need her negative opinion on everything. Hate people like this.

>>10028234
>replica of Baby's dessert OP
Are you sure? That lace looks about right, and I wasn't aware that a replica was even made of this dress because it wasn't super popular upon release.

>>10026702
I'm pretty much an idiot and got ripped off on my first order from them. Reading this thread is making me so mad at myself. I was intimidated by taobao so I thought it would be fine to pay a markup. But I didn't even glance at what the markup WAS. Thank god I took advantage of a sale and saved even a tiny bit, but either way I lost so much money. Lesson learned. Just made a taobao account and am trying to figure out future purchases. :(

>>10028254
>it wasn't super popular upon release
It was released many, many times since its initial release in 2005, that should tell you how popular it is. Nayrt but it's possible someone made their own replica of it, it doesn't look like Baby's construction at all.

>Indie brands posting statuses to go vote today and complain that Orange Man is bad

can we not?

>>10028254
>>10028261
100% sure anon, she listed it as Glitter Tale and was trying to sell it sometime back.
It’s cringey to see her trying to do a 180 now to act like she’s above replicas.
Honey we know and other anons from your comm have called you out on it before too.

>>10028281
I agree. Encouraging people to vote in general isn't bad, but I'm getting weird vibes that people are assuming / expecting that there's a "right" and "wrong" way to vote right now. I really, really don't like politics in Lolita because this is where I go to get away from that shit. Professionally I deal with political stuff all day and when I go to a tea party I just want to sit with everyone, all sides of every aisle, and eat some damn cookies.

>>10028281
>>10028296
They're just facebook statuses. It's not like they're bringing it up at a tea party, it's Election Day. People are going to talk about it.

>>10028302
they are "businesses", it's super tacky and unprofessional

>>10028311
I agree that posting their specific political view is unprofessional, but there's nothing wrong with reminding people to vote

>>10027261
this is just the print award. iirc the rerelease vote was another card that came or will come with the museum promotion MTOs going on right now.
>Someone who knows for sure pls clarify

>>10028209
On that topic, being in lolita long enough, these same damn topics get brought up over and over continuously. I swear at least once a year or even more we have to revisit the same topics over and over.

>>10028323
NAYRT
It's their right to remind people to vote, but I unfollowed two businesses on instagram this past week because they were so annoying with their 'go vote' spam. If I could quit google and discord (who also keep harassing me to), I would.

>>10028209
This girl is everywhere, glad she's not the only one's nerves she's getting on. It's like she's trying to make up for how absolutely mediocre her coords are by trying to be "xD so witty" every chance she get.
She's always up popular lolitas asses as well (see Tyler), pathetic.

>>10028209
her coords are ok, but they look worse because of her below average looks

>>10027698
whoa, awesome that looks like suede. but the headbow looks like denim? either way I love this different texture

>>10028209
Censor names anon

>>10028209
and it's always the newfriends who stir extra shit.

>>10028230
She looks fine, she could use a bit of makeup help and bangs though

>>10028230
Anon, this was from nearly two years ago. Her coords are cute and she’s improved a lot since then.

>>10028296
I get pissed off when I sit down at a tea party and everyone starts shitting on Trump. I don't like him much either, but can we not? Everyone assumes that everyone is just as left-leaning as them, which makes it annoying to dissent. Honestly, I don't really disagree much with anything anyone's saying, I just find politics absolutely snooze-worthy.

Best part is, I'm not even in the US. Trump means nothing over here. Shut up about the damn man already!

>>10028409
Honestly post proof then, not everyone has access to CoF

Why do people put '難有' at the start of auction titles sometimes? It always auto-translates as 'difficulty', still no idea what it's in reference to.

Is anyone buying any seasonal prints?
I want something for Christmas, but I’m not sure I can justify buying a dress I can only wear a couple times a year.

>>10028419
It means rare/hard to find

>>10028424
Ahhh thank you! [i meant to post that in the qtddtot thread but misfired ftr]

>>10028424
I always thought it meant "damaged".

>>10028281
Which indie brands are they?

>>10027460
I don't know exactly what SFE's deal is, but ohtralala kept posting lots of vague shit about the event a few months ago. Kept talking about "scary sums of money" and having to work out the laws in Germany pertaining to events of this nature. Also wanting to do a "luxury" event. She's forever vagueposting about "oooh I just got off the phone with x talking about y for SFE but I can't say anything!!" but that's been going on for months and months. Just like the SFE tourism posts, it got old fast.

No idea what's going on with the rest of SFE organisers, but it definitely feels like something went wrong somewhere along the line.

As of maybe 1 1/2 months ago they didn't seem to have a venue set yet.

I definitely want to take a guess of what guest(s) they're going to invite, they said they're announcing this weekend. Are there any major labels who have never visited Europe before? Or rarely?

>>10028261
>>10028284
Yeesh, I stand corrected. That dress hit the sales rack in the New York location of BTSSB so I didn't realize how popular it is

>>10028230
this chicks coords are fine but her face is so unfortunate.

>>10028338
If you made a purchase at AP during the museum running time, you got a print rerelease nomination voting card

>>10028467
I wonder if SFE went downhill after Kyra quit doing big events for the TPC, given that she also founded SFE. I get the impression that people want to go to big events but nobody wants the responsibility of running them.

Sorry if this has already been asked but is anyone getting anything from Design Festa, and if so, via which SS??

>>10028507
Muuh Tokyo ss can do it

>>10028504
I'm pretty sure Kyra is burned out, and it's not surprising. She's been doing TPC events for years, it's a bit of a thankless job and she'd even get dragged here for "not looking good enough" or "being a bitch" or "not even being at her own event!! I didn't see her once!!" while running around an event doing organiser stuff.

Kyra is definitely able to run a great event, but I hope the people she's working with in SFE can pull their weight if she's trying to take a little less of the workload this time around.

>>10026758
we ~do~ have private exclusive parties, we just don't post about them online, you dumb entitled fuck

>>10027527
most of their revenue comes from reservations and online sales within the US, this has been confirmed

>>10028516
There was an internal split, not all the SFE organizers support Kyra anymore, and some refuse to work with her. (I can't give details without it being clear who I am. Sorry.)

>>10028504
>>10028484
So we're calling out all the London lolitas tonight? Say what you want about them if you will, but putting names out there is rather cruel.

>>10028502
There was a ballot box at the museum and at AP’s shop during the museum. Both were the same thing, called “textile award”. At some points they were giving ballots when you purchased and at other times a stack of them was just sitting out next to the box. There was no mention of a rerelease in regards to that vote, it’s purely speculation.

>>10028558
Except nobody is calling Kyra out, we're talking about her because she's a big figure in organizing events.

>>10028557
I did wonder if that had happened because Pippa noticeably wasn't at DMC, nor the french girls. Kyra organized the JetJ tea party in Paris this year and some french lolitas weren't there too.

>>10028558
Agreed, can we NOT do the name thing tonight. This shit (and especially unsubstantiated, vendetta-sounding claims like >>10028557) is just unnecessary.

>>10028569
The french lolitas weren't there because there was a fucking transport strike. A good chunk of ticket buyers couldn't come because they couldn't physically get to the event. Speculation without knowing what actually happened is what leads to harmful rumours and drama.

>>10028570
Is that why the french girls didn't make it to DMC or JetJ?

>>10028577
JetJ. If anyone doubts it, many of them even posted about it on Instagram.

>>10028230
>>10028234
Reuploading the screenshot with names censored. I’ve seen some people who’ve uploaded screenshots with names attached so I thought it was nbd. Oh well, live and learn.

>>10028281

>complaining about a brand who's super proud to be known as the feminist lesbian medieval kei of lolita

I don't know what you expected. Unfollow them if one status bothers you that much.

>>10028581
Anon this is a dead subject. Someone clearly has a vendetta against these girls. The tattoo discussion comes up constantly, people are tired of it, give it up.

>>10028587
You mean the girls commenting? They sass RC posts pretty frequently, I doubt it's one anon complaining.

>>10028591
That's just how it is in RC, 90% of posters are bored and sassy. It's not worth complaining about.

>>10028591

>>10028595
I guess you're right about the first girl, but the second girl made a pretty cringey RC post about ita phases a while back, despite being a mediocre lolita herself. It's funny seeing how she hasn't changed at all.

Why does Krad Lanretes model look close to death?

>>10028603
Oh jesus. Poor girl why would they do her like this??

>>10028603
> Drowned at Sea
I’d buy it

>>10028603
She looks like she's about to drown to death in her own tears in about five minutes.
>god I wish that were me

>>10028587
Nayrt but that anon probably found them annoying, I know I do at least. They seem to rush to comment on every other topic, it’s like the lolita version of flexing.

>>10028439
same here

does anyone else ever wonder where Hanayoku gets all the stuff she resells?

presumably from China, since that's where she ships from...

>>10028420

I do Halloween instead of Christmas, if this helps.

Generally you can start doing themed prints late the month before. So for Halloween I’d start late September, for Christmas you could probably start early November and keep going until end of December, with some prints like Merry Bunny you could possibly keep going until Jan 1 since the print works for New Years’ party too.

As for wearing it more than once, your time is limited to those couple of months, but the number of wears depends on how your coord it, and where you wear it to. For eg I did Ghost Night Bride this year for a lolita meet, but I also threw a black cardi over it and wore it casually to brunch. If you stick to versatile jsks then usually you can dress them up for lolita meets, but also tone them down so you’re just wearing a themed dress in the spirit of the season when you meet some friends/family for shopping weekends or whatever, so that’s wearing it more than once a year.

The best part for me is boxing it all up post Halloween — because when next Halloween rolls around I get to unbox it all again and unofficially declare it’s now my favorite time of the year. I’m up to 5 Halloween dresses and multiple accessories now, this is opening gifts on Christmas, but I love everything and I also love the season. I guess that’s a huge part why I do it, Halloween is my favorite season and I love celebrating it all month long. I don’t do it for any other holiday, I just don’t like them as much.

For Christmas I mainly associate it with travelling and family drama. I’d meet the theme halfway with dresses that could work for Christmas but also the whole year round. Most of the party-themed prints work, or the giftbox prints. Then there’s also a few dresses like British Bear in green, Meta’s Snowy rabbit in green, Dim Light in green or red, and so on. This might be a better option if you really want a themed dress for Christmas and also want to wear it all year round.

>>10028642
And the comment is always a low key bitchy comment. She's trying so hard to be an edge lord. Why is it so hard for another anons to believe multiple people don't like her?

>>10028419
>>10028424
It does mean damaged, literally "has/with difficulty/problem"

Anyone going to Oni-con?

>>10028811
Glad there's someone else who thinks Christmas is overrated. My family sucks so what I wear if I wear lolita at all around them is very toned down classic. I've got a couple solid red and green dresses that I wear around Christmas. Wish I could find some cute plaid dresses that are nice enough to wear around them, everything I've seen just wasn't the right style

>>10028871
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>10028603
>even her hands are death-colored
I like this concept

>>10028871
This is going to be awful

>>10028871
I'd like to know what Tyler is like when she's not doing her lwln shtick. Lor is friendly and whatnot but her videos are more herself, whether you like them or not. Since Tyler goes off a script I feel like I can't really guage her personality outside of her playful salt.
Agree that she looks really cute as a blonde though.

>>10028924
Tyler is really chill in person, but the same wittiness and sense of humor you see in LWLN remains the same.

>>10028924
I'd love to meet Tyler one day. I admire her blunt honesty and underlying yet present kindness. A lot of what I admire about Tyler is what I like about cgl.

>>10028926
So she's boring and dull? Because there is no wit or humor in that snoozefest of "show".

>>10028934
Then what, in your opinion, is a good example of wit?

>>10028939
Dave Foley

>>10028934
I guess you're just 2edgy for us then.

>>10026574
jeez that looks like a dress up costume. this is why i have a burning hatred for satin
>>10028940
Every since I saw his penis in "Postal" I haven't been the same

>>10028934
You must be a ton of fun at the tea party

Anyone else concerned that Misako's new pose of choice is ThinkingFaceEmoji? I thought it was cute and funny at first but she does it like every photoshoot now.

I have to ask. What do we know about Millefleurs? Why are they so dead even though people keep spreading rumours that they're still around? Who runs it, what are they like? Why is their Web design stuck in the 2000's and their social media is practically nonexistent? I have so many questions and can't seem to find answers anywhere

>>10028946
Why is that concerning?

>>10028946
Is she okay???
Is she trying to alert us of something?
Blink twice if you're in danger, Misako!

>>10028946
She is a 30+ year old woman, anon. I find it adorably "auntie"

>>10028948
Because Baby is going to release a thinkingemoji print, obviously.

>>10028952
Can't wait.

>>10028946
Posing like that is popular because it helps create the illusion of the highly desirable "v-shaped jaw"

>>10028955
>tfw I naturally have v-shaped jaw

Thank you, genetics.

>but I'm a guy

Fuck you, genetics.

>>10028946
she needs to dab more

>>10028961
Someone request she do this at the next meet and greet she does. Please.

>>10028952
>thingsthatmakeyougohmm.jpg

>>10028603
I love this and want to replicate this look now. I'll have to wait until next year before my Horror Garden comes though, but maybe that'll give me time to perfect the makeup like this.

Thought's on IW's new sailor coat release? I'm really tempted but I'm not sure if the historical touches take it far enough out of weeb seifuku territory and I get the sinking feeling the A-line cut would make me look fat instead of kawaii because of boobs.

>tfw 25/27inch waist but skirt i want is a 24 max
being a fatty and being into old school is suffering

Thought's on IW's new sailor coat release? I'm really tempted but I'm not sure if the historical touches take it far enough out of weeb seifuku territory and I get the sinking feeling the A-line cut would make me look fat instead of kawaii because of boobs.

http://innocent-w.jp/fs/innocentworld/184604

>>10029001
It's very childish in a not-flattering way. Dammit Fujiwara what are you doing

>>10029003
In the stock photos I thought it looked really cute, like Excentrique's cape coats, but even on the model it doesn't look that flattering. I think the longer length is one of the things that made me read it as more mature with nothing under it, but then it becomes really easy to look overstuffed.

>>10029000
>tfw 30 inch waist
Being a skyscraper and into lolita is suffering

I want to dye an old OP I got recently entirely black. The lace is white but very discolored, it's not necessarily yellowing but some of it has grayed while other areas remain stark white. What's the best way to dye it?

>>10029000
Get into corsets and force your organs closer together

>>10029000
>>10029021
Just diet it's not like it's hard. You'll look and feel better, not to mention be able to fit into sweet sweet oldschool burando.

>>10029019
What's the material of the lace? If the stark white bits are chemical/polyester lace you're unlikely to be able to dye it at all.

>>10029000
>>10029000
uuuh anon a 25inch waist isn't fat?

>>10029030
It is unless they're 5'8"+

>>10029025
Corsets are easier

>>10029035
Yeah but you can't hide being gross and lazy with a corset, just temporarily cut down the size of your gut

>>10029027
It's similar to what's on my Elizabeth OP

>>10029036
25 inch waist doesn't imply gross or lazy, it implies a structure issue that can be easily solved with a little compression. Oh wait you're probably >>10029034 why am I trying to reason with you

>>10029041
t. fatty

>>10029036
Depends. I don't know how tall the other anon is, but I'm 5"9 and my waist is 24". I can't go any skinnier without it being severely underweight, so the only way I could go lower would be to use a corset.

>>10029043
>>10029034

You're in the clear amazon-chan.

>>10028934
You sound like a very fun person and I bet you have a lot of friends

>>10029039
You mean the rose lace, or the cotton torchon lace on the rest of it? If it's like the rose lace on Elizabeth it might not dye, but if you'd be OK with how the piece would look with those parts still white it's worth trying to dye it.

Just to make sure, are the bits of lace that greyed and the bits of lace that stayed white the same or different material?

>>10029034
ok ana chan
my SO is around 5"4 and has around the same size and she's nowhere near fat but aight

>>10029035
if you don’t have any fat to squish around corsets don’t really do anything quickly except ADD a few cms because they’re so bulky
>25” waist naturally, can lace down into 22” corset but actual exterior measurement when I’m wearing the corset is closet to 23-34”
unless you’ve got rolls, don’t expect to immediately loose inches off your waist by corseting. Fat squishs, bones don’t.
>sage for replying to obvious bait

>>10029050
Sorry to hear. Maybe you can encourage her to be healthy by making hiking dates? Or dates to a pool, that's really good exercise. A lot of people have more success when their SO is helping them to be more healthy.

>>10029019
You don't have to prebleach but I recommend a good color removing predye. Do several coats of dylon black. I usually do three, I prefer to dye in a bucket rather than the washing machine. Don't bother if your dress isn't a natural fabric.
Does it have any sort of print?
>Florals and other prints in cotton or natural fabric can be overdyed but you have to do at least two rounds more. Choose the two most common colours in the print, do rounds of dye in colours on the other side of the colour wheel to those common colours before doing the black or after one round of black.
>If it has a screen print or vinyl don't bother. It will look awful.
>If the lace is poly either don't bother or once you've done the dylon, boil it with soda ash and jacquard polydye in a metal stock pot. This process is expensive and more trouble than its worth
If you do it right you should end up with a black peice with white or coloured threads visible. Unless you do a polydye, these are going to be almost impossible to get rid of. I recommend covering them with lace or trim or just learning to love them.

>tfw 26inch waist at 5"3/5"4
i feel horribly fat now even though i'm considered "skinny" or "average" (118lbs).
Time to hate myself even more and skip meals again

>>10029049
They're all the same material. It's not like the rose lace on Elizabeth, but there are examples of people successfully dying that lace on elizabeth so I wouldn't worry even if it was.

>>10029055
Stop falling for the ana-chans

>>10029055
You drew the shit stick in terms of genetics if this is true. I feel worse for girls like you than I do fatty-chans because no matter what your BMI is if you have a rectangle/apple/bulky body shape you still look bulky and unfeminine

>>10029050
Sometimes it just has to do with rib size. Usually slightly wider natural waist size means she has a bit of a rectangular shape too.

>>10029034
>>10029053
>>10029058
stop baiting jfc

>>10029061
People can have different opinions than yours.

>>10029055
Anon, don’t do that. You’re thin. Don’t listen to the 3edgy5u bonelords itt

>>10029051
Ribs usually have a bit of flexibility, and genetics usually determine how flexibe they can be. If you wear a corset consistently, your waist can become smaller by a few inches and retain that shape even when not wearing a corset.

https://youtu.be/Lx5skLiHD4M

>>10029058
Y... You're bulky and unfeminine, meanie

>>10029058
You sound like a butterface. You’re one of those bitches who brags about being so smol uwu to make up for your ugly mug

>>10029068
don't worry anon, I'm the same size as you and I've had lolitas comment on my photos about how "tiny" I am (despite being completely average) I'm sure you're cute

>>10029068
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me because I'm not fat or bulky like you.

>>10029073
Get a job, anon. Now you're just tryharding and it's sad.
>inb4 xd wats sad is u not being smol like me uwu
i'm underweight in case you wanna try that

>>10029068
You're definitely on the petite side anon don't listen to this bait shit

>>10029073
If I'm that fat maybe I can sit on you squash you flat like an itty bitty nasty bitter pancake

This thread is a mess

>>10029077
>i'm underweight in case you wanna try that

Surejan.png

>>10029078
Probably, but the only thing that would really do is prove how fat you are.

>>10029079
Aren't they all?

>>10029067
true, but it’s not instantaneous, you’ve got to work for it

>>10029080
Okay cool but I get to keep your brand

>>10029080
Do what you need to do to make yourself feel better about that unfortunate mug anon :(((((((

>>10029083
You wouldn't fit in half of it sorry :,(

>>10029085
Could you please stop projecting so hard?

>>10029073
>not denying you're ugly
sorry for your loss
at least fatties can lose weight

Gulls stop replying to this shitty bait.
Either that or a mentally ill ana chan that'll spout "fatty" at anyone disagreeing

>>10029086
I think you’re the one who’s projecting, anon. You keep coming back to prove to everyone how skelly you are. Sounds like you’re trying to compensate for how fuggo you probably are

>>10029087
I'm not addressing it because it's such a lame strawman

>>10029086
I'll alter it and have a rocking photoshoot on your grave, ana-chan

>>10029090
It’s okay, one day maybe you can save for plastic surgery!! Ganbatte

>>10029088
You must be new to /cgl/ if you think anyone's going to stop.

>>10029091
Could you even fit your entire body into frame without the photog being like a mile away?

>>10029087
BTFO

>>10029090
whatever you say
sorry you're ugly, try not to take it out on others

>>10029097
Sorry you keep projecting about your ugly so hard :(

>>10029099
i'm not though, i'm very cute. that's more than you can say

>>10029082
Of course! I never meant to convey otherwise. I just wanted to say that it was possible, since I guess the previous anon thought that corset usage and effect only lasts while wearing it, which is false.

>>10029100
But I'm cute too, you're just to assblasted about being fat to accept anything out of the delusions in your head that you want to be reality. And you can say you're thin all you want but nobody who is thin gets this upset over someone calling someone else fat.

>>10029093
Don't care where the photog is if the pics are cute~

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>>10029104
Someone who is cute doesn’t get this assblasted over someone calling someone else ugly sweaty ;)

>>10029110
I'm not though senpai. If I was assblasted I would have been defending myself tooth and nail against it from the start instead of ignoring it until you kept insisting I reply to you even though this topic supposedly has nothing to do with you.

>>10029104
i'm not assblasted though. i don't know where you'd get that idea unless you're projecting. i'm just sorry you're ugly

>>10029113
Sounds like something a bothered af uggo would say. I hear plastic surgery is cheaper in South Korea

>>10029115
If you're not assblasted why are you replying to something that has nothing to do with you? If you're not fat why are you replying again and again?

>>10029116
t. fat projecting uggo

>>10029120
you're replying to me too though
through that you have made me relevant to the conversation
and if i'm assblasted and fat for replying then by that standard you're assblasted fat too

>>10029120
Sorry about your face ;)

>>10029124
But you weren't a part of the original conversation, you interjected yourself into it because you were mad. The same reasons don't apply to me. Are you an idiot?

>>10029134
i interjected because this is a public image board made for comments and discussion
replies aren't limited to the original poster and one replied only.
please stop projecting

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>>10029141
>i interjected because this is a public image board made for comments and discussion

sure jan. that's why you're so upset about someone calling another person fat. because it has nothing to do with you.

>>10028587
It's not a vendetta, I'm not the anon who posted but those girls do need to be called out. the "sassy" try hard girls like the ones posted all act the exact same and are intentionally mean to people who are new, or who they can easily feel superior against. No one is exempt from being called out even if it hurts your fee-fees.

>>10029073
stop replying to this anon, they're just mad cringe

>>10029157
you know what's worse than that? Using the term "mad cringe"

>>10027365
>>10027367
Constant bitching about lolita, her "tolerance level has gone down the longer she stays in the fashion"
Hardly any lolita videos (altho could be related to yt demonetizing lolita related videos)
General lack of genuine enthusiasm in her videos.

>>10029067
I don't like the corsetting look, but their relationship is super cute.

>>10029068
>be me
>180cm tall, 45cm shoulder width
>117cm bust
>love lolita and will never stop

anon, please don't worry.
you are a human being, not some 2D unrealistic bs figment.
I guarantee you look as wonderful as you feel in your frills. dust off the cruelty and keep shining.