/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

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>>9945071

comics are also welcome as long as it has colours
>>9945069

Going to post what I find here but I don't own these yet so I don't know if it's good. I'm looking in my own language so I'm not sure if any of it is available in English. I'd also like to own more illustrated and art books..
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Almost everything I find is aimed at boys (so with as little clothing as possible)
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>>9945133

This seems good for people who like mori
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May I bring manga here? I bring it here.
I love 0-chapter of Complex Age very much, but can't figure out any other titles such strongly related to lolita. I have So Pretty Very Rotten as well but that's all...
Any other suggestions?

>>9945069
I mean this show is beautiful and I kinda love it but they completely bastardised the original books.

>>9945180
I think there are a bunch of suggestions in the link I posted

>>9945182
Personally I don't really care if a film/tv show doesn't follow the book.. I mean it will never be perfect if it's not created by the original author, so why not try new things with it?

>>9945194
> I think there are a bunch of suggestions in the link I posted
I can't see Complex Age there, so I bring question here in case anon lurked something new.

(I saw your link, thank you!)

>>9945201
Oh sorry I thought you just skimmed it! I can't think of any more recent ones that have real lolitas

>>9945207
> that have real lolitas
Yes, I'm looking titles exactly about lolitas who call themselves lolitas, wear lolita brands, use our speech and so on. Your link contain too much "inspired" sources with just lolita aesthetic presence, but not about lolitas themselves. This is nice, but does not touch my heart as much as "true" lolita titles - I know only these at the moment:
- Kamikaze Girls
- Complex Age
- So Pretty, Very Rotten
And looking for stuff of exactly the same setting of just lolita-loving characters.

>>9945216
I don't really read manga so I don't know but at least Musashino Sen no shimai has real lolitas in it, just search 'manga' when you go to that page and look at all of them. I'm just saying so people don't end up suggesting the same things again.

>>9945223
So Pretty, Very Rotten is good fun, but I'm also really fond off X-day and Othello especially. Othello is only vaguely related to lolita, but the main character is clearly meant to be a moitiefag in her spare time. X-day is much darker, but one of the main characters is a gothic lolita who has no confidence when she's not in her frills. Seriously recommend these, X-day is short too.
>Pic related is from one of the darkest scenes of Othello but I like her dress and she turns the situation around in a really cool way.

New books this summer that maybe interesting to lolitas:

Spinning Silver, Naomi Novik - A fantastic retelling of the Rumpelstilstkin fairy-tale, mixed in with Novik's own wonderful imagination.
The Governess Game, Tessa Dare - Tessa's books are always a lovely treat. In this installment of the Girl Meets Duke series (which you don't have to read in order), a governess attempts to mend the ways of the libertine Duke who is the guardian of the two wild orphan girls who are her charges.
The Lady's Guide to Petticoats and Piracy, Mackenzi Lee) - Sequel to The Gentleman’s Guide to Vice and Virtue. Felicity Montague just wants to be a doctor - instead, she finds herself on an adventure with the daughter of a notorious pirate queen that will lead her from the German countryside to the promenades of Zurich to secrets lurking beneath the Atlantic.
Melmoth, Sarah Perry - Helen Franklin, working as a translator in Prague, she has found a home of sorts—or, at least, refuge. That changes when her friend Karel discovers a mysterious letter in the library, a strange confession and a curious warning that speaks of Melmoth the Witness, a dark legend found in obscure fairy tales and antique village lore. As such superstition has it, Melmoth travels through the ages, dooming those she persuades to join her to a damnation of timeless, itinerant solitude. To Helen it all seems the stuff of unenlightened fantasy. But, unaware, as she wanders the cobblestone streets Helen is being watched. And then Karel disappears.
The Other Miss Bridgerton, Julia Quinn - This is the third in the Rokesbys series, which is really a prequel to the Bridgerton series, but don't worry, you don't have to read them in order. - Adventurous Poppy Bridgerton stumbles into a smuggler's cave while holidaying on the Dorset coast, and ends up kidnapped by pirates. The captain - actually the son of an Earl - didn't ask for this, but now they seem to be stuck together on a voyage to Portugal.

>>9945069
Oh, hey, it’s my summary link!

I’m glad at least that someone found it useful. I was really worried when putting it together that it would be totally illegible, but an imperfect record of these sorts of suggestions is better than nothing, I felt.

I’ll keep an eye on this thread and make a new
summary/update post for this year.
>>9945216

I agree that a lot of the suggestions in the old thread were either inspired by lolitas or possibly inspiring for lolitas. How did you feel about Miztterr Rokoko?

>>9945427
*extreme sigh* Typing on mobile somehow made me give myself a nonsense name. Sorry about that. Back to the anon life.

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>>9945091
I want these so much but they're so difficult to find. I wonder if François (Maud?) will rerelease them if we ask. Does anyone know if they speak English at all?

>>9945427
> How did you feel about Miztterr Rokoko?
For me it's rather grotesque fantasy than actually lolita movie. It uses lolita just as symbol of something extremely kawaii to put it in plot, not as a main motif.
Not mentioning that it's plot is rather ridiculous and made me OMGWTF facepalming too much during watch.
Ok, it's pretty ok if you take it like just comedy of absurd and laugh by yourself. But I can't imagine me take this video for serious and show my parents or normie friends and say "Hey, look! This is what lolitas are! This what we feel!"

>>9945886
are you looking for a documentary or something?

>>9945076
I just saw this on tumblr. Idk what language it is but it's called End: Elisabeth

>>9945427
>Miztterr Rokoko
I wanted to like it, I really did, and I did at first until I reached the end. Would've been better if the protagonist learned to love herself at the end, cute and tough at once and all, without seeking her ex's approval. The fact they used lolita fashion, a style often associated with wearing silly frilly shit for yourself and not for the approval of men, in a video with this ending/message... I don't know, I'm not comfortable with it.

>>9945528
I'd absolutely love this. I've wanted to buy these for years. I remember a girl brought one of them to a meetup years ago and I wanted one so badly. Is the artist still active?

>>9945959
Yeah, on FB, recently changed their name to Maud and posted about it so I think she's trans; she mostly posts in French from what I've seen and sadly mine is very poor, otherwise I would've already asked.

>>9945966
aren't the illustrations by Audrey Alwett?

>>9945959
I just looked for it and it took me 5 seconds to find this? https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=22827568898&searchurl=sortby%3D17%26an%3Dfran%25E7ois%2Bamoretti&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title5
It's Spanish and Japanese though (the ones anon posted are French). Which language do you need? Maybe it was never released in English.

>>9945973
No, they're by an artist formerly known as François Amoretti. Now named Maud Amoretti, if FB is any indication.

>>9945975
Afaik they were never released in English.

These are also still available in French:

https://www.librairiedialogues.fr/livre/1142610-gothic-lolita-princesses-d-aujourd-hui-francois-amoretti-audrey-alwett-soleil

https://www.bedetheque.com/serie-28615-BD-Alice-au-pays-des-merveilles-Amoretti.html
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>>9945427
>Miztterr Rokoko
Better for /fit/ than /cgl/.

Like other anon said, the lolita and kawaii element was just a gimmick. Such a shame we can't get another film like Kamikaze Girls after all these years. Lolita has really just blown up rather than shrunk and companies like Baby seem willing to throw themselves for collabs even remotely connected to lolita.

>>9945528
https://www.bedetheque.com/serie-28616-BD-Petit-Chaperon-Rouge-Amoretti.html

>>9945981
Thanks, anon!

Gonna post some more images of what's been suggested in this thread so far

>>9945986
This book is called Gothic Lolita Princesses d'aujourd'hui. Not sure what it's about.

>>9945987

You could use these as backgrounds
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This is a sketch Maud Amoretti posted last year tagged with the wizard of oz
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This is not called End: Elisabeth but just END, and the first volume is called Elisabeth. It's by Barbera Canepa.
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I can't find much about it but it seems the first volume was released years ago, but it is not discontinued, she just took a long break to work on Sky Doll and a new project, she started working on the second volume of END again last year
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>>9946005
I love the style a lot. Too bad there seems to be no English edition.

>>9946008
Yeah, I'm looking for it right now lol. I came across French, Italian, German and Dutch. I think Italian is the original.

Just found it in Spanish as well but no English unfortunately. She's also one of the creators of W.I.T.C.H. and apparently she based the main character (Elisabeth) on Elyon after Disney basically kicked her out because her ideas were too dark. Elyon was supposed to become some kind of goddess of death.
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>>9945953
It’s in Dutch.

>>9946138
Is this one Dutch as well or German? >>9946000 I guess it's German. If you know either language, would you say it's "easy" to read? I might buy the Spanish edition but I'm not fluent so I'm not sure I would understand the story.

>>9946018
>nostalgic scream

>>9946166
Also might buy the Spanish edition, but I've run into quite a few bleeehhh Spanish translations. Anyone have experience with translation quality for END?

>>9945955
This is exactly how I felt about it. I also wanted very much to like it. I was honestly with it as a silly comedy thing until the end, but then all those feelings were soured.

>>9946296
It should be okay since its translated from another romance language?

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I saw the Austrian and Takarazuka productions of Elisabeth the musical were mentioned in the previous thread, but imo the Toho production is much better than the Takarazuka production (which focuses more on Death). Takarazuka Revue does have a lot of other musicals that I think lolitas would like, like Rose of Versailles (pic related). I feel like a while ago someone mentioned one where some of the cast is wearing Sheglit and Atelier Pierrot but I don't remember the name and in which thread it was (or if it was even mentioned on cgl or somewhere else).

>>9946802
Really unnecessary.

You can watch the Toho production on vk here (can't link because 4chan considers vk spam):
video-26027579_456239700
video-26027579_456239701

If you don't know anything about Elisabeth yet you should read a little bit about her before watching it so you can understand the story without subtitles. You can also find translations of every song online.
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Found it >>9937133
Don't know if real burando but that one does have english subtitles once you get past the ads
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>>9947354
It looks like pic related

>>9945953
I have this in Dutch as well

>>9947338
the Dutch version of Elisabeth is the best version with Pia Douwes as Elisabeth and Stanley Burleson as Death
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NADFUhO6L-k

>>9948216
I love Pia Douwes but the one on vk is a dvd rip and the full show

Anyone have a favourite edition of Alice in wonderland?

I'm writing a novel about a women who is a Lolita and she's a homicide detective.

It's coming along great!

>>9948208
Do you think the translation is good?

>>9948776
I like Camille Rose Garcia's, though it's more on the grotesque side of things. As far as movies go, as predictable as this might be, I like Jan Svankmajer's adaptation.

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>>9952453
have you contributed yet?

>>9946533
...not really. Spanish translations can be awful. Even for things like the lord of the rings,a super famous book where you'd expect top quality. Also,sometimes they localise (localize?) Things a bit too much and give them Super Spanish™ expressions,which can be an issue if you're not a native speaker from Spain (and even if you are,since language changes a lot). These are just my two cents though,I'm not a professional.

What lolita photo/artbooks are worth buying?
I don't mind if they're not 100% Lolita, I really enjoy looking through the likes of Fruits and Gothic & Lolita so I'd be interested in finding more like that. I see suggestions on Amazon but it's very hard to tell what's actually good and what's a load of normie-pandering rubbish.

Going to use this thread to repost some pictures of Lolita Fashion Book by Misako that another anon shared last year. I guess there are people who missed them so here you go. So far I think only the soft lolita chapter has been translated?

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>>9952533
I love Imai Kira's, personally, I have all of them including the new one and they're lovely, and Mitsukazu Mihara has some art books as well, if you like her style. You can find them for relatively cheap on auctions.
There's also a book called Gothic Lolita Punk that's basically a collection of different artists and some articles, some are more lolita-friendly than others but it's nice if you want to discover new artists whose style may appeal to your lolita tastes.

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I just bought GLP last week! I don't love all the artists in it but I really like that they're trying to teach you their method and style.

This is from the book 'Japanese Goth' by Tiffany Godoy and Ivan Vartanian. I'm sure there were scans, and the Novala essay also got posted, but I can't find the tumblr anymore. You can find more about the book here:
https://www.popmatters.com/73221-japanese-goth-a-manifesto-for-the-beautiful-macabre-2496024080.html
http://www.lacarmina.com/blog/2009/05/japanese-goth-book-tiffany-godoy-interview-mana-sama-baby-the-stars-shine-bright-hnaoto/

>The series of six illustrations that comprises “Yoh’s Monochromatic World” is a mise-en-scene of sorts. Each portal or door opens to another room. The reduction of the palette to contrast emphasizes silhouette and contour, as is also the case with Mukuro’s photographs of his clothing designs. Both artists make a thematic link through this visual trope, fusing the figure in each image to her environs. So while there is a sense of perspective, we are left with a flattened, graphic quality. Centuries ago, clothing with a deep indigo blue, practically black, was a very traditional colour associated with farmers and lower-class samurai. At the same time, a contrasting high-fashion sensibility is created with the use of black, which has its roots in fashion, first influenced by designers such as Comme des Garçons and Yohji Yamamoto. The early work of these fashion pioneers was exclusively monochromatic and continues to be characterized by warped forms that are themselves a deconstruction of traditional silhouettes.

>Compared to Western dress, clothing heavily embellished with frills and lace may seem outlandish, but when considered alongside the Japanese tradition of wearing kimono, the hyperbolically cute and matronly attire seems no more garish in its presentation. In other words, an outré silhouette is not shocking to a Japanese public accustomed to elaborate dress. What is particular about the style here, however, is the strong reference to Victorian dress, or more specifically, victorian dolls, as well as the influence of Lewis Carroll’s character Alice. In terms of form, there is a consistency in the clothing: a knee-length ruffled dress, white tights, and a headpiece are compulsory. In its own way, this attire is a kind of uniform, which in itself an integral part of the Japanese sartorial vocabulary. But this is less an adherence to rules than an appreciation of established forms (known in Japanese as kata) and a pleasure in seeing their many varieties. As an archetype, Alice represents a young girl whose inquisitive nature leads her down a rabbit hole, where she encounters talking animals and anthropomorphized objects in a nonsense world. Amid absurdity, we are enticed by the duality of a sweetness that carries dark undertones.
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>>9952533
If you like fruits I recommend Style Deficit Disorder (https://books.google.nl/books?id=-L2GQ0Di8N0C&printsec=frontcover&hl=nl#v=onepage&q&f=false))
(there are lolita coords too but you don't see them in the preview)

>>9952533
if you like fruits i recommend style deficit disorder (https://books.google.com/books?id=-L2GQ0Di8N0C&printsec=frontcover&hl=nl&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false))
there are lolita coords as well, just not in the preview

>>9952533
if you like fruits i recommend style deficit disorder (https://books.google.com/books?id=-L2GQ0Di8N0C&printsec=frontcover&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false))
there are lolita coords as well, just not in the preview

>>9952568
>Mukuro’s photographs of his clothing designs
I thought Mukuro was owned by a woman? Was there another designer besides Tokiaki Kumondai?

>>9952535
>the soft lolita chapter has been translated
Where?

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>>9956601
Well what are your recommendations

>>9948776
I love this one - illustrated by LostFish. It has been released in French and Russian iirc.

>>9956603
I suggest to drink vodka.

>>9948776
not sure if this was ever released as a book, but Kuniyoshi Kaneko’s illustrations are my favorite.

>>9957445
Never heard of it before, thanks!

>>9957445
That's so cute! Is Through The Looking Glass the only one published with these illustrations?

>>9958108
it is, unfortunately. this edition is amazing, though. I highly suggest getting it if you can still find it, even if you don’t speak either of the languages! it was so cheap for what is essentially a huge art book back when I bought it, too.

there are quite a few illustrations posted here, if you’re curious - https://www.labirint.ru/screenshot/goods/422880/1/

>>9949558
I would like to know as well

>>9958226
Thank you so much, anon! I found the French version for sale, it's not quite cheap but I may have to go for it anyway, it's unsettling and beautiful.

>>9952548
Why is there xtc pills as decoration?

>>9948776
I'm very fond of my edition with illustrations by Tove Jansson (same person who wrote the books about Moomin)

>>9958645
I have that one as well!

>>9958645
Btw there's going to be a new Moomins film

No cool period films that were released in the past couple of years?

Can we talk about variety shows and reality tv here?
Are there any with lolitas that were actually enjoyable?
On which show would you like to see an episode with lolita(s)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylfEsqKDgKI

Does anyone have Netflix recs?

>>9945324
Othello was what got me into j-fashion in the first place

I found this manga at the library today. Young Miss Holmes.
Her OP is very Victorian Maiden.

Here are some books and magazines you can find on Amazon Japan.

Let's play is a comic available for free on webtoon. This character is supposed to be a lolita

>>9966519
Thank you but kind of hard to find the ones with Japanese titles from a picture

>>9967367
>frilly office blouse
Unfortunate.

>>9967401
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that. If you are interested in any of them just tell me and I'll get the original title. I'll try to make a list later during the weekend.

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>>9969643
Thank you. I feel like the lolita side of cgl kind of died when you compare similar threads to last year.

>>9969643
Thank you. I feel like the fashion side of cgl kind of died when you compare similar threads to last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmUP1idcOhU

>>9952522
This is isnt a lie at all but i can tell you that comics are always taken very seriously here. You will find more niche expressions in manga than comics. I didnt buy it yet but from what ive seen it looks pretty good.

There's a lolita in a drama I'm watching. Though she's just using it to trick someone, so not a real lolita

I think this one is supposed to be ita
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I'm not sure if this manga is real
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>>9972286
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081128172845AAKotRq

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D84jb0r1czY

Good for boystyle I guess but there are pretty dresses and hats in there somewhere. I really liked watching this film by myself.

>>9974649
It's called the Giant on Netflix. Really beautiful villages.

>>9964911
I mean...Anne with an E is on Netflix, as are a number of the other titles mentioned. I also quite like A Series of Unfortunate Events for the overall aesthetic.

I really liked A Little Princess for that aesthetic feel.

Cat Street is a good drama with a lolita who makes her own dresses. The name of the fashion doesn't get mentioned and she is bullied for wearing it.

Tuck Everlasting hadn't been mentioned yet. I think the clothes look similar to something Seraphim would do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXbbAbDvifw

>>9964911
Black Sails

>>9979650
I love black Sails!

>>9979650
It makes me want to go go full pirate loli

I highly recommend Versailles!

Any recommendations for coffee table books?

>>9985264
Assuming the GLBs don't count, I like Misako's books, and Midori Fuksawa's books as well, though they may be a bit small for coffee table books. Still nice to look through though. There's also that one Gothic & Lolita book if you like more old school styles and don't mind a bunch of unrelated fashion styles mixed in.

>>9985270
>that one Gothic & Lolita book
What?

>>9985264
Versailles: The Great and Hidden Splendors of the Sun King's Palace

>>9985264
Versailles: The Great and Hidden Splendors of the Sun King's Palace

>>9966519
The first booktitle has grabbed my interest, but that last one, it looks like a manga, do you by any case know the story? The character looks more Marie-Antoinette Anime -ish than Lolita.

>>9985283
This one.

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>>9985380
I think coffee table books are supposed to be hardcover with not much text

>>9985339
>but that last one, it looks like a manga, do you by any case know the story?
Here's the link, anon: https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B06WRV6J8N

I don't know the story, but from the google image caps it's a bunch of 4koma with a grandma Lolita.

>>9985412
Here's the back cover of it,

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>>9985415
Holy shit is there an english ver?? I am 100% down for lolita granny

>>9985473
Couldn't find it, but you can find some of the komas on their site and try OCR translation, if you want to check it. https://laza.mandarake.co.jp/comic001/

I can't speak for it's quality, though.

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>>9985507
here, I made one for you. I'm not sure of the whole context since this is an isolated Koma, but it seems that the pink haired girl is some sort of tsundere and the grandma is a Lolita who tries to make her / him appreciate this kind of clothing.

I would totally recommend the comic adaptation of princess sara, the art is wonderful and the outfits are spectacular, but i don't know if the comics are available in other languages

>>9985599
I also recommend Lady doll, the art style is more gothic but still beautiful and once again, beautiful outfits

>>9985384
nayrt but Gothic & Lolita is literally all photos: specially selected snaps that were included in Fruits through the years by the photog.


on another note, I've been desperately trying to find a copy of this illustrator's work. She's from Hong Kong, was really active 10+yrs ago when I was a teenager. Her pennames are Chigusa/Queenie Law/山鬼

I'm in love with her art style and color usage, and she constantly drew dolls, lolita, and dolls in lolita. I hope I can get my hands on the Dolly Kiss artbook one day.

>>9985599
Cute

>>9964911
The Paradise gave me strong urges to open my own lolita shop, even though that would never actually work.

La Dame aux Camélias

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Does anyone have coords that were inspired by books besides fairytales?

>>9997637
Apart from Harry Potter ones (and generally most people take movie inspiration..) no.

>>9987085
hnng that gigantic bonnet

CATHERINE THE GREAT

There's a manga buzzing around the lolita twittersphere called Kitai Fuku ga Aru (着たい服がある) about a handsome looking girl who really just wants to wear kawaii lolita clothes. I'm considering translating it if I find a typesetter (or I might just have to do it myself but I'm awful). It started recently so there's only a few chapters.

>>10002994
this sounds great. please ask around everywhere for a typesetter, i'm sure many people are interested!

>>10002994
Oh I've seen this one! Please do translate it if you can, I'd love to read it.

Would it be weird to bring picture books or magazines to a meet-up?

>>10006760
Yes. Do you go and bring picture books for hanging out with friends?

>>10006760
If you do it unannounced, yes. But if you plan ahead with your comm members, it can be a fun idea for a meetup. We do this in my comm sometimes, some girls would bring in some GLBs and other magazines so we can look at them together and discuss releases and coords that we like.

>>10006760
Depends on the meetup, for something like a picnic where everyone is just sitting around chatting and relaxing it’d be a good idea, but it wouldn’t make sense to bring to a meet that involves an activity like at an art gallery or something.

Should I watch the Alienist, Penny Dreadful or Alias Grace?

>>9945324
Othello and X-day are super underrated imo

>>10002994
I don't have much experience typesetting but I'm willing to try

Has anyone read Dream Dress? I just bought it and don't know what to expect. I think it's going to be a lolita-themed supernatural mystery?

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>>9945324
I want that fucking dress

>>10002994
She's attractive and I really want to read this!!

>>10002994
>着たい服がある
Where can I read this? I'd be willing to help out translate and typset, too. I've been looking for a fun project to work on.

Does anyone have horror recommendations?

>>10007040
Well, that was weird. The characterization felt very bland, very 2 dimensional. Characters who were meant to be sympathetic like the main character's girlfriend just came off as unpleasant or whiny, I can't say I found any character particularly interesting. The most interesting part of the book was what wasn't said - things about the nature of The Unbroken Thread, for example. I know that sometimes things are scarier when left unexplained but I didn't find this book particularly scary so I'm just left with questions. It kind of felt like I was reading a long creepypasta based on a tabletop roleplaying game. On the other hand, all the lolitas are gay and catty as fuck so I guess that was accurate.

>>10015509
it's accurate by cgl standards i suppose but desu i've never met a catty gay lolita irl, which makes me kind of believe the people who say a lot of the lolitas on cgl are guys role-playing as girls. thank you for the short review. were the clothes accurate?

>>10015514
Pic related is one of two dresses he describes in a little detail. This is one made by the main character.

Clothes in this book are described very vaguely, it's clear that the author was a little out of his depth and meant for the readers to imagine the right sort of thing. He's married to a lolita so I expected better, but the story more played off themes of community, desire, and the way hype and gossip spread rather than the dresses themselves. The story wasn't really about clothes or jfashion t b h... Those were just part of the frame. I think it would have worked almost as well if it were written about cosplayers or furries or larpers. Glad you liked my review, am happy to answer any more questions.
Also,
>mfw I am a catty gay lolita

>>10015516
And here's his description of a dress made by "Dream Dress", the mysterious and elite indie brand lolitas seem to wear once before vanishing.

>>10015517
>infitimsely

I feel like finding books etc that really fit gothic lolita is hard. So much goth stuff is more like Tim Burton/Hot Topic style. But I have some book recommendations nonetheless:

-weird fiction authors. Lovecraft of course, and Machen (who’s mentioned in the blog post OP linked), and others like M.R. James, Ryūnosuke Akutagawa, Ambrose Bierce, Lord Dunsany, and Clark Ashton Smith. Weird fiction is has a very gothic, often sparse style and somehow it just feels nice to read it in Moitie.
-Shirley Jackson is an amazing mid century horror writer, her books are thick with dread and atmosphere. The Haunting of Hill House and The Lottery are great starting points. I finally got into her this year and now I feel dumb for waiting so long!
-a fun, quick Halloween month read is The Halloween Tree by Ray Bradbury

I also just started reading the Phryne Fisher books and they’re at least as much fun as the show, which is also great. I got into that through one of the lolita media threads here. Reading or watching it really makes me want to make 1920s themed cords.

>>10015572
I feel like classic horror fits gothic reasonably well - the old classics like Dracula, of course, and some of the older murder mysteries e.g. Poe and all the Queens of Crime (although technically they feel more like a classical aesthetic) seem to me to fit pretty well.

>>10002994
I'd love a lolita scanlating/translation group.

>>10002994
>buzzing around the lolita twittersphere
it's from kerastyle

maybe you could just send the translations to them and they'd do the rest
>>10016948

>>9945069
>>9945071
What shows/movies are these from?

>>10017016
It's in the file name anon.

What do you think of Emily?

>>10017405
I want to buy it but I want to read a preview first and I can't find any

>>10007022
I liked the alienist, but in my opinion it wasn't /that/ great for aesthetic, so if you're watching it for insp, don't bother. But the plot was good!

Peau d’Âne (donkey skin)

>>10015572
>I feel like finding books etc that really fit gothic lolita is hard. So much goth stuff is more like Tim Burton/Hot Topic style
What? I mean if you don't like classic gothic fiction that's one thing, but it's literally a whole genre, it's not hard to find at all

>>10015572
Adding on to your Shirley Jackson recommendation, if you haven't read We have always lived in the castle it is amazing. Dilapidated mansions, murder plots and sisterhood, perfect for the discerning gothic lolita

>>10006760
It used to be normal enough for a casual café meet in my comm many years ago that someone would bring a GLB or one of the Francois Amoretti books. I suppose it also had to do with the scarcity of these publications in my area at the time. They'd pass the book/mag around so everyone could have at least a flick through it.

What would be a nice gothic and lolita novel? I can't really figure out something outside the Kamikaze Girls spectre.

>>10018109
I haven't read it myself yet so not sure if it's a good read or not, but pic related is available on Amazon if you want to give it a shot.

>>10018109
So pretty very rotten is like a collection of comics

>>10018193
It's a collection of comics and essays on lolita as a fashion and subculture, not a novel like what anon is looking for.

>>10018193
>>10018196
Yeah, I've got that one and it's pretty good! But I was looking for something more like a novel,with characters that are Lolita or, at least, a novel with the Lolita Fashion as the background of the plot.

>>10018124
Thank you! I've never heard of this one, so I'll try checking it out!

>>10018124
This looks genuinely good. thanks for the recommendation.

>>10018213
>>10018355
There's a review of this book up thread, hopefully this helps:
>>10015509
>>10015516
>>10015517
Personally I'm disappointed with the quality of the writing and the fact it wasn't written by an actual lolita; the latter definitely shows.

The Girl King for all your lesbian and female ouji needs. Otherwise the movie is medicore and not as fancy as other historical movies.

>>10018531
Thanks a lot, anon!
I really like to write fiction, and it's been a while since I started flirting with the possibility of writing something lolita-related. But I feel like I still need something outside the box of kamikaze Girls and the Japanese style of novelization before really beginning something like that.

NaNoWriMo is just around the corner, so maybe I'll try to write something to warm up.

>>10018945
Please do, anon! I'm always on the lookout for more lolita-related reading material and would be happy to read your work, if you're comfortable with sharing it once it's done that is.

>>10018955
Thanks for the support, anon! English is not my first or second language, so I might have some struggle before making it available. But I'll go for it! Thank you!

>>10007040
>>10015509
>>10015516
>>10015517
I ordered a copy on amazon before i read the comments. I didn't read them oncei saw my order went through to hope it was better than it sounded. FUCK was I wrong! It's an instant return!

This is awful in every way! it's not a problem with the plot, but with the technical skill of the writer, a lack of detail, Telling-not-showing, bad phrasing and grammar errors all made a good idea unpalatable. I've read better fanfiction for FotM ships, hastily thrown together by someone who didn't care! I read almost anything but this wasn't good enough to make the cut. That doesn't happen often.

>>10021353
Makes me wonder if there's any fanfiction involving lolita

>>10024248
Just searched "lolita fashion" on Ao3 with 20 results. Most of them were gay. There was some fics involving animes I didn't know, one with aot, on with germany from motherfucking hetalia, a few marvel/avengers fics; one of which seemed to include steve rogers (and maybe loki?) Getting into the lolita style, one fic was from that one gay teen novel, and only one was an original fic with original characters, and was still gay.

>>10024264
Fanfic is normally gay

>>10024270
I know. Just presesnting the facts.

>>10024248
There's a little bit of kamikaze girls fic out there. I wish there were more...

>>10018213
>>10018355
>posting this after the same book was discussed upthread
Why won't people read the thread before commenting

>>10024264
>steve rogers (and maybe loki?) Getting into the lolita style
Oof

>>10024264
>gay
Every time I read this I felt happy and had to remind myself that you meant two boys, not two girls. Why is fanfic about girls so underappreciated? I even know lesbians who love yaoi and slash but I'm the only person I know who reads yuri and femmeslash. But also
>Original fic with original characters
Unless it's ocXoc set in a world from popular culture like the Harry Potter Universe or Warhammer, that's not what Ao3 is really for. It's meant for fanworks. Maybe you'd have more luck looking on wattpad?

>>10024351
I just read it and it was one of the most hillarious 5 minutes of my life
https://archiveofourown.org/works/2283132?view_adult=true
Like it has almost nothing to do with the marvel characters it's just an amalgamation of every lolita com trope like holy shit

>>10024353
>Why is fanfic about girls so underappreciated?
Internalized misogyny. Yaoi is hot and sexy but yuri is weird and gross, obviously. Sad, really, because I'd love to read an actual, genuine lesbian romance involving lolitas.

>>10024353
Actually it was ocXoc and the fandom was "origional work". I was surprised since I've never seen that on Ao3. ALSO! Based on the tags this work is mostly girlxgirl!

>>10024356
This reads to me like a child who desperately wants to be a part of the fashion but is terrified of the "drama" surrounding it, so they project their fantasies onto their favorite characters instead. It's tripe but so silly it's almost cute; too bad it likely goes together with the notion that "lolitas are all meanies".

>>10024361
It's literally the whole lolita journey:
>the discovery of btssb
>bitching about the price
>new job to save for dress
>aquire dress
>no courage to wear it
>a better lolita than you gives you courage to wear it
>unwanted photos from normies
>cgl or aproximate discovery
>motivation to get better at coording
>lolita life TAKES OVER
> one (1) gay kiss

>>10024361
It was cute, in a strange way.

>>10024363
>tfw been into lolita for years and still no gay kiss
Anticlimactic

>>10024366
W>>10024366
Well then you must not be a REAL lolita

>>10024366
Well then you must not be a REAL lolita

>>10024366
Same, anon. So sad.
>tfw no lolita gf

>>10024378
>>10024366
I can kiss you both if you want! I haven't had my lolita confirmation kiss either

>>10024353
One of the main reasons girls write fanfiction is internalised misogyny. Having no women (as main characters) in your story is a way to get away from the male gaze too.

>>10024393
Sorry anon, but that's breaking lolita rule #173;
Confirmation kisses may only be administered by already confirmed lolitas.

But I'll kiss you anyways ;)

>>10024397
>get away from the male gaze
I never considered this, but it kind of makes sense. Huh.

>>10024401
Makes sense but it could work just as well if they only wrote about girls

>>10024406
>>10024397
Idk, I agree with your points, but I've always looked at it from a sexual perspectice. I like guys. 2 hot guys are having sex. Nice. I just figured it was the female version of guys getting off to lez stuff?

>>10024406
Fanfiction is about existing female characters, if they only wrote about girls, they are still writing about female characters that were created by/for men.

>>10024418
And it would be read by a bunch of straight guys

>>10024418
...so the solution could be to write FanFiction about fandoms created by women and for women or general audiences. That would kind of explain why lgbt women love fanfic about the Sailor Scouts and the Crystal Gems from Steven Universe.

>>10024422
Maybe the men would stay away if the fic were PG13. Like mostly based around feels and the sex is more implied.

>>10024440
That would be a good solution but the thing about internalised misogyny is that people tend to be unaware of it themselves

>>10024357
>I'd love to read an actual, genuine lesbian romance involving lolitas
I tried to write a short story about two lolitas once. I thought it turned out pretty well but I'm too scared to share it. It would definitely out me because it was based on someone I actually dated.

>>10024440
>Maybe the men would stay away if the fic were PG13
Like what happened with my little pony

>>10024442
A shame, but I can understand your hesitation. Would you ever consider changing it a bit to make it less based on your personal experiences? Assuming that would make you feel more comfortable with sharing it, that is.

>>10024350
Because it was a direct recommendation and it would be rude to answer "I saw that already, newfag".