/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9951588
>furries

>>9951625
yes

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Anyone here that is joining this year's photo contest now that the theme is jfash and kawaii?
https://twitter.com/jfpc_officialen/status/1018827709210718208

Any ideas how to make a realistic insect head? I wanna make clothing moth head but got stuck with how to make it hairy but not furry.

>>9951750
I have nothing to answer your q but I'd love to see what you make! here's a cute fuzzy moth.

Furries? On MY main board? It's more likely than you think!

>>9951750
>hairy but not furry
I guess that depends on the material. Fleece might be the way to go, or very short pile fur.

>>9951745
won't be entering, but I can't wait to see the qts that will!

I want to see how many of you actually own a fursuit
I want to see timestamped pics

>>9951809
I mean, lots of us have self posted before. especially since our threads have been on and off for a few years now.
I don't care to timestamp but here's this from supercon.

>>9951809
how about you timestamp these nuts

>>9951829
dam

Oh god not this thread again

>>9951852
At least things won't be as shitty as last time if they took a month long break from making them

Anyone know where to get a cute oversized collar like Fuzzer's? I'd love one of my own for my suit

>>9952132

>>9952134
>>9952132
you can just go for a L/XL dog collar desu. there's tons of makers on etsy.

>>9952132
>>9952171
You might as well use a children's belt.

>>9952179
to be fair that's a good idea, would be right around the right size n look nicer.

>>9951913
A month isn't enough time desu

Where would you draw the line when something stops being classified as a fursuit and instead seen as a prop or puppet?

>>9952402
When you're no longer physically in it (like if you stand behind it and puppet it) or when you can't walk around in it and are basically stationary (like the way the Jabba the Hutt costume was done).

>>9952402
I put mascots, fursuits, costume props all in their own category. A fursuit is usually much more practical, easier to wear and for hobby.
kazplay's hogger for example, I consider more of a costume than a suit. if you saw her WIP and progress or even just her getting into it- it's probably one of the least practical/easy things to wear.

>>9952580
I'm strange in that I like more complicated suits than normal fursuits. My suit, for instance, is a hot plush dragon with arm wings and kemono-style eyes. It's at the limit of practicality, but I love the suit.
Pic related is a suit I'd kill to wear. Not practical by any means, but damn is Lucky cute.

>>9952580
Hogger is approaching puppet, he's built like Big Bird.
For a while I've bitched about how we rarely see less "anthro" fursuits being made, but then I realize, stuff like Hogger or super-padded crazy suits are pretty far from a standard fursuit, and are closer to a costume. You almost run into a different skillset. These mega charizards by the Coop Cosplay, for instance. These crazy complicated suits take a lot of time, and pro suitmakers have to juggle time for experimentation and time for commissions constantly. in order to make a reasonable living. And customers tend to want things that are familiar, rather than risk commissioning a failed experiment. Even premades can run into the risk of not selling for enough if it isn't a super-popular style/species.
It really comes down to this: if you want a suit style/features that really no maker can provide, you should probably make it yourself.

shut up cal

This might be a stupid question, but is there a way to retrofit padding for the bottom of a suit? I have a partial and the pants are incredibly roomy, but instead of taking it in and wasting that fur, I was thinking of trying to make it almost plush like and just fill up the space instead.

>>9952927
Easy way of doing this would be to wear a pair of ski pants underneath.

>>9953065
I'm sorry, I'm not sure how you mean.

>>9953164
I think they mean wearing puffy pants under the fur legs to provide padding but it depends how much room you actually need filling

either way I think you're just looking at filling the space in whichever way you can, might be best to sew pockets to the inside of the legs to stuff with polyfil when you want to wear them, to bulk them out

>>9951816
Nomu is such a smol pup

What would be a good way to have a head that sits above your head without something bulky like a bike helmet?

>>9953954
Depends on the weight, could use a elastic for securing it to your forehead if it isn't too heavy.

megaplex soon!!! who goin

Has anyone made a suit incorporating flippy sequins?

>>9955525
I don't know how well they hold up against force because fursuiters tend to bounce a lot when walking just from it being slightly awkward to walk in them, depending on your suit and padding obv

>>9955525
Please no

>>9955525
actually, someone at AC did. it was on their stomach. can't find the suit for the life of me but just know there's at least one out there.

>>9955687
>>9955747
What did they mean by this?

>>9956202
what?

>>9955525

>>9956607

Tiny1 is a cutie

Is there a place I can go to draw people’s ocs for them for free, just one on one like work on thiers for a bit, give it to them, move on to next.
I want to get back into drawing but worry about getting overwhelmed by many people asking because im a bit slow and work 60 hours a week
Human bodys are boring to me at this point and want to use my copics to their fullest
Im not professional/but i can scan things, not looking to make money I really just want to do it for my self and mental health
Picture related one i drew for a friend, i can change styles if given examples and am willing to learn many animals
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but i feel like the artwork board is hostile to anthro and i dont know where else to go
Thank have great day <3

>>9958164
Artfight is good

>>9958164
Drawthreads are good for responsibility-free drawings since everyone is anonymous anyway. If you want to draw anthro, there's a drawthread on /trash/ for that.

a pic from this year's Anthrocon. Here's me, I'm a manatee

>>9958278
Holy shit man that's one cute suit, you make them yourself?

>>9958164
/trash/ has oc drawthreads

>>9958633
They were made by Mothsicles Suits

Anyone have any good solutions for screens inside of heads with cameras outside? Not for a fursuit head but for a similar mask where my vision would otherwise be basically zero

>>9960088
I don't have much info on em but I just know some eastern makers use a smartphone instead of a camera

>>9958278

I like the algae on the head mate

Started making a german shepherd suit back in Feb '17. Finished around Sept '17. Decided I hated it all and remade the whole thing in two months. This is what transpired. I also made yet another set of handpaws. I went for the super puffy 4 toed ones. I'm constantly trying to make this better. I have small improvements I need to make but this is getting to be more solid. The ears weren't the best but definitely something I learned alot with in regards to structure/size.

>>9952402
That's fucking dope

>>9951809
No timestamp since it's an old picture, but I've posted before. Here's Nacho.

And like always, don't buy from Don't Hug Cacti.
Cute suits, absolutely shit quality.

>>9952912
This is so cool. I love original species.

>>9963473
Hasn't their quality gotten better, though? I've just heard by word of mouth that they've gotten better.

>>9963479
I have no idea desu. All I know is I'm not going to get over how badly my suit was rushed and how badly some of the parts were made, for how much I paid for it.

She used low quality fur they should have never been used on a fursuit. My body is pretty much unwearable because the fur quality is so bad and when I asked her what the fur was she conveniently forgot, and it's also a rare color so I'm kind of just fucked and forever salty....

It came with both indoor and outdoor feet and they are both unshaved and if you shaved them you could tell how badly carved they are. Everything but the head is a shitshow...

>>9963484
I just feel gypped, like I could have bought two for suits that I bet would have been higher quality from less known makers for the amount I paid for this one.....

DONT BE LIKE ME KIDS

Mah boi Scampy.

>>9960088
As >>9962713 said, smartphones are the way to go but so far only https://twitter.com/love_tail_kr does that on a regular basis with the cam being inside the muzzle.

anyone familiar with using fiberglass casting tape (or had it used on them) ? I've never seen it used in art applications before but I'm thinking it'd be good to use to form quick and thin bases instead of something like varaform or worbla which im worried about warping in the heat. Just wondering if it's sturdy enough.

>>9963860
I’ve used it for mother molds here and there. My feeling is that it’s stiffer to work with than you think, and that working with it to make all the pieces lie smooth isn’t worth the (honestly, excessive) extra effort you’d have to make. If you intend to cover some kind of positive with it to make a mask base, I feel like it will inevitably warp away from the positive towards the edges, and pull out from crevices. You’d need something on top to really hold it together in which case... you should really just be using resin at that point.

After it dries, it’s not really going anywhere, but that’s also a problem if any piece starts to lift or move while drying. Cutting those peeling up pieces flush with the base will be really difficult and you’ll be left with fairly sharp bits (which I can totally see slicing right through fur backing).

If strength is what you’re going for, I’d probably just bite the bullet and inlay some (not coated) fiberglass strips after a few layers of resin slush casting. As long as you’re not pouring a massive amounts of resin in at once, and as long as you’re keeping the liquid from pooling together during the slushing process, resin doesn’t have to mean HEAVY.

>>9963975
Thanks for your advice.

My concept for using was more to use it as backing against latex that's been slip casted in a gypsum mold because it sounds like it would naturally adhere itself to the latex. Sort of like the underskull to animatronics that have a foam-latex skin.

I can't quite picture the properties you're describing so i think i'll get some and try it out, it's cheap and I'd like it for mother molds anyway.

>>9963850
>>9962713
The helmet I'll be using will have a completely smooth surface with no proper way of hiding anything like a camera in front of my face, I'd much rather prefer to have a camera on, say, my chest, but I guess I could still connect that to my phone as to cut down on technology?

Went to a furry con over the weekend and saw these two there, and thought it was a great look. Not sure what the heads are made from, but the paws are all-metal and it got me thinking.

How hard would it be to make/are there suits that have full face-masks/helmets that go ontop of the existing head? Think something that looks like a Protogen head but not $3,500.

>>9964696
you mean like a fursuit head that has a mask component on top of it? or a character mask that's a hard material and not furred like a missmonstermel piece?

>>9964774
Fursuit heads that have masks/helmets on top of it, like that gif.

>>9963860
It's extremely heavy I don't recommend it anon.

>>9965113
other than the suit in the gif, I've never seen anything else like that. Seems kind of impractical

>>9964774
Not really into furry stuff, but I admire the shit out of someone who put that much money and work into what is essentially a prank fursuit.

I guess global rule 3 isn't a thing anymore

>>9965467
no, but it's ignored as long as they play nice and keep the number for threads to a minimum

>>9965467
as long as the posts are purely related to fursuits and tails and stuff it's fine. actual costume stuff

>>9965467
Don't worry, the MLP rule still applies, don't expect 4chan mods to have consistency now :^)

>>9965800
>"the MLP rule still applies"
>implying it ever did
Considering that MLP is a stable in certain pastel jfashs, no.

>>9964774
This is a great gif I can't stop looking at it.

>>9965883
Post an MLP suit, it'll be deleted

>>9965958
Considering >>9954533 is actually a MLP OC, nope.

>>9965958
I already did weeks ago, >>9954533 is a MLP OC.

>>9965965
Doesn't look anything like MLP, if it is then the mods missed it because it looks too dissimilar

>>9965980
You haven't seen a lot of kemono MLP suits then, they are pretty frequently posted in those threads and we had MLP cosplay threads plenty of times before,

>>9965985
If that's the case then that just proves my point even more about mods being inconsistent if they generally get deleted from these threads but not other threads on the same boards
Then again there was a barneyfag tier anon here when it happened last so maybe it's if some autist complains about it

>>9965883
Fuck off, don't bring that shit in here. We don't need another thread to get derailed and make us wait a month before we can get another

Fursuits are nasty af and shouldn’t be considered cosplay. It’s pure degeneracy just like the fandom that it represents.

>>9967055
>fursuits that accurately represent characters from popular culture shouldn’t be considered cosplay because i say so
lol

>>9967062
Man, I saw them and really wanted to ask for a hug, but I wasn't sure if that would be weird haha. I just thought they looked neat.

>>9951588
Furries arewannabe anime pets and they would never get waifu breast milk

>>9967975
>implying

>>9965965
I like how calling something MLP out of sarcasm got it deleted, might as well call all unwanted posts MLP in the future because the janitors don't seem to know what is MLP and what not.

Are closed mouths harder to pull off on a fursuit than the slightly-open ones you see all over the place? Feel like I never see them outside of japanese suits.

>>9968234
Why would they, aside from the obvious stuff?

>>9968476
I don't think that they are hard to pull of, I think that those wearing the suit prefer open mouths because it offers more ventilation, it's easier to speak in and easier to drink in

>>9968542
Because they have no clue about what species belong to MLP, else they wouldn't have deleted a random Amanojaku suit.

Is it me or has K-Line's work diminished slightly in quality?

It still looks nice, but I notice the fur isn't of the same quality of suits like those made by Atelier Amanojaku.

Likewise, the arms, hands and feet don't have that seamless look you'd normally have when looking at the ankles and wrists. Normally I'd have to actually look and see where the gloves end and the sleeves of the suit begin. With ones like pic related, it seems kind of jarring (unless the suit is being worn wrong).

>>9969493
Seems like you haven't been around for a while but all the fursuit work is done by throwaway trainees ever since they started Showcase as Rady is busy studying. She was still making the headbases until last year but even those seem to be done by someone else now.

It's not surprising tho considering Eixin is the manager of K-Line and doesn't know shit about fursuit making , he only cares about making profit with having a popufur as company face.

>>9969493
It's like gambling, in no way worth the 5k they want for the mass-manufactured clones.

>>9968234
>post MLP
>point out it's MLP
>mods delete it
>upset that mods deleted something when it was pointed out it broke the rules
why are you mad?

>>9969515

5K?

When you can get better quality out of Mochiri, Kemono Cube or Amanojaku, who don't even charge half as much?

>>9969556
It's funny because it was in a discussion about mods being inconsistent with what rules they uphold. It wasn't MLP anyway :^)

>>9969797
I don't see how the mods are inconsistent. They allow fursuits as long as yall don't make a scene and throw things around because it's heavily based on crafting and there is no true fur board.
MLP does not have that same crafting component, has proven to cause problems and drama across boards, and they have their own board for it.
Stop crying and trying to derail the thread.

>>9968581
That makes me wonder then, are there fursuits that have pose-able jaws? Not ones that move with your own mouth, but ones you can have open or closed whenever you want.

I'm sure that exists, right? Seems like a good compromise

I am trying to design a feral raptor fursuit, this'll involve leaning right forwards while I'm suiting. I've already considered a counterweight in the tail but I need something that'll stop me from destroying my back.
pic related is not my sona, just an example of what I'm looking for

>>9970222
It would be large and a bit chunky, have you considered WWD style where your human shell stands upright?

>>9970453
I have, and realised that it would be an ordeal to transport and it can be incredibly hard to pull off correctly

>>9969855
>MLP does not have that same crafting component, has proven to cause problems and drama across boards, and they have their own board for it.
Wrong considering that /mlp/ will redirect you to /cgl/ to post MLP cosplay and that includes MLP fursuits. Don't get me started on the janitors randomly deleting coords in jfash threads featuring MLP even while being burando (see the new Sanrio collab).

>>9974012
noone cares u fucking brony

Is there a good list of the non-fur/foam tools and supplies you'll need to make a partial? I'm planning on making my own partial at some point soon and I feel like this list of supplies is waaay too short. Doesn't include fur/foam/balaclava/buckram/whatever but it still feels short.

>>9974293
Stuff I'd add:
Trimmer
Blowdryer
Fur brush
Paint brushes

>>9970222
A counterweight is not a bad idea, but ultimately isn't necessary and will just add to the amount of weight you need to carry. The best thing to do is to have a sort of wide flat support device on your back that evenly distributes the weight of the suit across your back and hips, kind of like a military alice pack does for soldier carrying tons of gear. You're also not going to want to mimic the raptor's posture perfectly all day, since that will be hell on your back no matter what, so you'll want to use the suit's bulk to hide your own shape, so you can stand as upright as possible while still maintaining the feral hunched forward raptor posture.

I used to work at a movie prop studio, and I've made dinosaur suits before. Kind of nostalgic really. You planning to use padding to create a digitigrade leg effect like >>9953954's pic, or some kind of leg stilt?

>>9951801
this is so cute! I like it when peoples' fursuits have actual hair. the bottom lashes add a subtle cute touch too

>>9953065
christ, I can't imagine how goddamn hot that would be

As a non fur suiter or someone that isn't that deep into the furry culture I'm just wanting to know something. I have known and seen a lot of these 'Dutch Angel Dragons' and want to know what do most of you think of them.

Are they always retarded, childish and autistic?

>>9976411
thank you, this has really helped me
I am planning to use digi stilts for the legs

>>9976747
most are underaged and annoying

Why is elastic faux fur not a thing?

>>9977043
It exists, it's just really expensive.

https://www.nftech.com/faq/

Does anybody have any experience using BigZ Fabric's EcoShag for fursuits? Or perhaps places one could buy fur for less than $25 a yard?

I'm trying to figure out how faux fur is produced since I want to make some myself.
So far it appears that jersey knit is commonly used, but how are the fibres attached?

>>9977074
I wonder if it could be similar to the concepts of latch rug hooking, or making a wig from scratch? Basically you knot the fibers around or between the mesh or fabric so it creates a pile on the "right" side. It sounds very time consuming and better to just buy fur but might be kind of cool if done right.

>>9977768
The method you’re imagining is essentially found to just create a flat wig. Probably not dense enough for any large application. Anyway, this is a pretty good description of the general manufacturing process (and also the first link that pops up on google btw)

>>9977905
I looked at that page before and it was pretty useless.
It names the methods by which the fur is sewn in, but I couldn't find further information on those methods elsewhere.
Despite being pretty useless, it is the only page I could find containing even a little bit of useful information on how faux fur is produced.

Are there any notable downsides to using 3D printed head bases? There's next to no information I can find in terms of people who have built on them or videos about furring them or whatever, but it seems like a good idea.

>>9981390
it's a very common thing now and also basically the same as furring a resin head

>>9982189
so if i'm looking up tutorials or anything for furring and dealing with moving jaws, it should be fine to use ones meant for resin heads? sweet

thats a beautiful suit!

>>9983941
I think you missed a >>9951588 there, buddy

Do you think my chara would translate to a fursuit well?

I see the stripes being a pain in the ass

>>9984316
It would be prohibitively expensive (either in time or $$$$) because of the random patches of different coloured fur plus the stripe density.

>>9984316
Very expensive but doable for the right maker

>>9984316
if you want me to be honest, no. its a bit complicated.

>>9951813
>>9952912
>>9963502
fursuits generally freak me out but these ones are cute

So I'm gonna get some help with fixing up my fursuit head today, we're gonna try shaving the fur down to make it look a little nicer. But would I need to re-fur these areas or would shaving kinda help it? I did a shit job on furring for my first head, but I want to salvage it the best I can.

>>9985386
Can't hurt to try shaving first. I think it'll look a lot nicer with a smooth, consistent shave. Right now it kinda looks like it was done with scissors freehand. it'll stop it from looking so messy. You may want to keep it longer around the visible sew lines.

For some exposed bits around the eye, white oil paint or white felt would be your best bet.

>>9985386
fur direction is wrong, I would def do bulk shaving before adding eyes and stuff too.

>>9985436
Yeah, scissors were what I had to use. Wish I got a fur shaver or clipper before hand.

But I'm proud of what I did on my own :)

>>9985436
Here's some more angles of the head and an picture a friend made for me

The head I made its perfect but I'm hoping we'll get him looking a lot better

>>99855
Whoops forgot the file

>>9985575

>>9985575
>>9985586

Shaving will help a lot. It needs to be shaven down across pretty much the entire front of the face. Longer fur is far, far harder to pull off on the front, even if it may be more realistic. You can still have long, scraggly fur on the ears, neck, and top and back of the head, but the face itself likely shouldn't be.

Of course that's up to your own personal preference, there's no rules to any of this, but it's how a large portion of toony fursuits are done. Pic related is a decent example, where you have long fur (unshaved, it looks like) everywhere except the face and hand paws.

The fur direction is off, and that can't be fixed without taking it all off and re-sewing. Shaven down it'll be noticeable but not really an issue.

One thing that is happening around the nose is that the backing of either your fur or your foam/resin/whatever is showing through. Ideally this would be fixed with a bit of white felt or other such material.

>>9985719
Now, if you did want something scraggly, you can still have that, but the fur still needs to be shorter. Pic related is definitely not clean and almost felt-like, but it still isn't long either. Now I'm not sure what fur you're using or what fur they were using, you may not be able to get an effect like this with that fur, but it may be an option.

If you don't brush your head it'll look like this anyhow.

>>9985719
So me and my friend did some fixing to it, it's looking a whole lot better than before! I wanted to try something new with the eyes so we made them with foam and sewed on felt, sadly I ran out of the dark blue I had before so we did baby blue :)

I'm going to figure out what I'm gonna do with the both part of the eye tomorrow, I'm probably going to use what black felt I have left to do an outline to make it look neater

Also, don't buy eye blanks from etsy..the ones I got were a nightmare to work with

>>9985719
I might go and buy a nose to cover that up, or make a nose and stuff it to make it squishy

>>9985784
Yeah, that's much better looking. Still a but choppy but certainly better. Honestly like the baby blue more, makes the eyes pop.

And yeah, a larger nose would cover that up no problem.

>>9968234
Strangely enough I've posted plenty of MLP cosplay here I just don't ever point out that it's MLP. I've posted my Shining Armor Royal Guard Armor, my Thorax fursuit and my Meadowbrook mask. Of course, most of those you actually have to watch the show to recognize what they are.

How do they make heads so small?
Is it just a crapton of padding in the torso/limbs to make it look smaller proportionately?
Walking around with this much padding around your legs and butt doesn't sound very comfy.

What are good ways to shape the head using a minimum amount of padding?
Mine always end up being far too big.

>>9970222
I've found this video that you might find interesting
https://youtu.be/jAzQr3Ml0UI
https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/blog/jurassic-park-evolution-of-a-raptor-suit

>>9985784
Small update, put an outline under the eyes a bit to make it stand out a bit more.

I think he looks a lot better :) he has a more chibi look but I'm kinda digging it

>>9986222
you should put a lining around the nose if you weren't planning on doing that, the fur edges make it look unclean.

I'm not into furry stuff, but I just wanted to come in and say that you folks have the most productive and constructive thread on this entire fucking board.

Keep it up, you animals!

>>9985586
>fur direction

wow that image is actually really cool and helpful

>>9986429
it's always good to do a basic sketch like that both before furring and on the tape itself. the look can be helped a lot by also looking up the fur direction of the actual animal (assuming it's real) and emulating it. fur direction plays soooo much in making fur look good on a fursuit.

Im struggling to find a store locally that sells quality fur. Anyone have any recommendations for an online store for the states?

>>9986783
bigzfabric.com , fursuitsupplies.com , fabric.com , mendels.com

For your typical fursuit fur, Fursuit Supplies calls it Luxury Shag, Big Z calls it EcoShag, Mendels calls it Punky Muppet.

>>9986324
What kind of lining? Like a black outline?

I can also try and make a bigger nose and stuff it with polyfill

>>9987173
you could just use that same blue felt and put a strip of it around the edge of the nose, just to hide that fur edge. The nose itself is cute, it's a good size and it fits the character.

What's the cheapest fur that's still a good quality? Or the cheapest place to get fur?

>>9987292
http://bigzfabric.com/index.php/fabrics/faux-faux-fur-fabric-long-pile.html will be the cheapest without being bad. Anything cheaper and it'll fall apart.

>>9987292
see
>>9987104

don't cut costs with fur, it shows.

>>9986402
Thank you man!

>>9986402
it's probably because your average crossboarder who wanders in has a strong aversion to furry stuff, so they don't come in here. Other threads about cosplay they go into and cause problems and bait.

is allowed human and plush request ?

>>9989190
what

Are there any guides to making a 3D printed head? I'd love to make one using that method but I'm not sure how to go about it.

>>9992561
Making a head for printing's pretty much the same process for making any model on a computer, taking into account the fact the model needs to be water tight, and you take into account physical limits of physical objects and stuff like that.
For that step I'd suggest roaming /3/ a little bit.
For the printing (assuming you're going the DIY route), it's a matter of getting a printer (for fursuit heads larger is better, but larger print volumes means if printing in one go there's more of a chance of wasting large amounts of filament if the print fails 2/3rds of the way through, but smaller means needing to jigsaw your head back together with parts that may not align right, so trade offs.) and following through with whatever software and guides for printing with that printer generally has.
/diy/ has a regular printing thread if you get stuck, plus the other resources that more than likely exist for whatever printer you go with.

Anyone know some good fursuit makers that handle more unusual types of fursuits or "complicated" builds?

>>9951588
>Expect to pay at least 2k for a fullsuit commission, 3k+ for something padded, and higher for a realistic suit.

Someone mentioned this board on /lit/ and I figured I'd pop in and see what you lads are about. This is a joke, right? 'Sblood! Please tell me this is a joke. If you guys truly waste this much money on your degenerate costumes, and mark this a thing accomplished, I will make it my purpose in life to come find you, kick your asses, and strip you of your polyester 'armor' as I hurl your wretched souls down to the dark death-god.

>>9994389
Hey man, if you purposely make it your hobby to hunt down people who have more money than you and you're triggered by people spending their money, then wow you need to get out of that trailer park. Sorry walmart isn't paying you enough for luxury items.

>>9994389
I'm sorry you don't have the money to afford the things you want, that must be really hard for you.

>>9994389
Those are "popfur" prices, ie what you pay for self important literal who's who either make a living making genuinely good suits, that are rather over priced because of said self importance and morons who line up to pay it, or straight up scammers who made some really good personal suits and either make garbage customer suits, or just straight up run off with the money.
Actual suit prices I'd wager closer to $1.5k - $2k+, but to get those prices you really have to go out of your way to find makers, because there's a reason you only hear about the "popfurs" and not the suit makers who charge reasonable prices.
If $1.5k and up still sounds like a lot to you, you have to consider that:
1, They're typically 100% custom, both in design and fit, so there's so much that can be pre-made, especially if you're particular with how the suit comes out.
2, While the actual materials can vary wildly in how much you want to pay for them (were still talking $100s though), the time it takes to make any one suit is pretty high, easily a week or so of work if you have your stuff together (and don't screw up).
3, You don't necessarily have to buy a fullsuit right away, what some people will do is just commission a head and hands, or that and a tail, etc. and have the maker keep the leftover fur from that partial, then commission a bodysuit at some point later.
There's also retards with more money than sense that artificially inflate the price, and hoard suits, so there's that too.

>>9994389
yall would cringe harder at how much car people spend on their hobby then

>>9987292
LA fashion district

>>9994408
I’m curious about your reasoning for fair prices. You say that 1.5-2k is what makers should be charging, while also admitting that it’s an entire weeks worth of work. Let’s round down and say a suit with minimal markings and digitigrade padding takes ~100hrs to make.

How much do you think someone should be charging per hour for skilled labor?

Just curious.

>>9994719
Very niche skilled labor at that. Unless you're a professional costumer by trade or something, this is something you have to learn specifically just for this one thing.

>>9994408
You dumb fuck he's not talking about the costs to make it, he's talking about how people waste so much money on an animal costume

>>9994719
Significant padding of any sort is usually considered a extra feature, so that rules out referring to the absolutely lowest price a suit could be for a digitigrade padded suit.
Then we consider how much the parts go for, good quality heads are usually the most expensive part, usually around half to two thirds of the price of the suit. And the hands and feet are usually only a few hundred together. Then the bodysuit itself, assuming no crazy patterning and again padding, is a pretty straight forward job of matching the duct tape dummy and sewing it together via machine. All in all, $1.5k for a basic suit, especially if bases were involved for the head, doesn't sound that far off the mark.
I say a week or so, so 7 days (not straight) 9-5 assuming the maker has a personal life, that's ~56hrs. This doesn't include the time it takes to get materials and DTDs in through the post, and this also assumes that we're building off of a head base, so that cuts down on construction significantly compared to carving it or 3D making and printing it. A couple days with some change on the head, a day and a bit on the gloves and feet, and the rest of it on the body suit & tail. Of course this spread isn't true of everyone, but assuming this workload, and ~$500 in materials, at $1.5k, that leaves ~$1k in paid time. Which works out to be ~$17.86 a hour, if you're into that sort of thing. Nothing runs that smoothly though, so we're looking at a bit less than that amount, and we're assuming that the maker is on top of things the entire time, but it doesn't seem impossible.
With all that said, there's also the consideration of how much a suit is worth in relation to other things in a similar price range. You can easily buy a used car or build a PC with the amount a slightly more than baseline suit costs to make, both things that someone can get a lot more use out of than a suit you wear a grand total of less than 50 hrs.

>>9994747
People waste money on a gazillion 'worthless' things, I swear it doesn't matter what hobby you're in you'll get poorfags raging about how other people spend their money

>>9994747
I'm sure most anons mothers would be appalled at the amount some are willing on paying for their battlestations, but when you break it down, it does all add up (despite nvidia hyper inflating card prices as of late, but my point still stands). People spend sometimes absurd amounts on things they like if they have the cash for it. Plus the point of someone else custom making anything is a significant reason for why commissioning suits is so expensive. Of course some of that is paying into the "popfur" nonsense at higher price points, but the time it takes to make it is nothing to scoff at. If you really wanted to, building it yourself would be cheaper to do by magnitudes, but some people don't want to out of fear of ineptitude or other reasons, so hence why we have a microculture of suit makers and buyers.
https://imgur.com/gallery/BbznBI9 is a good read for this kind of divide between worth and actual workload for a custom item.

>>9994772
Except a gaming rig is significantly more useful than an animal costume. You can sit and white knight your spending against me all you want, but I own a Fursuit myself. That anon obviously doesn't give a shit about the labour or material costs and is criticizing us for spending $3k on a cartoon animal costume. Its not rocket science, it's damn obvious to anyone outside the hobby why this is a bizarre purchase. But you can't possibly sit there and compare a costume you wear a few times a year to a full battlestation with a practical use (gaming, streaming, rendering etc). That's like comparing paper to concrete

>>9994978
Guess it might help to know that I'm both >>9994761 and >>9994772 , where I make the exact same point about the usefulness of other purchases in the same price range. Yes, it's a absurd amount of money compared to how much use the typical purchaser's likely going to get out of it, but the only reason for it is because of the practical realities of the resources and effort that go into making them. That holds true for most on commission artisan interests. If we only took raw price into consideration for a lot of things, especially more expensive things, then there's a lot of things no one would ever reasonably be able to justify.
It's going to be expensive yes, that doesn't mean it needs to be expensive as some try and make it though.

shut up and post cute suits

Do any anons know how to go about making a skintight suit like pic related? If I've never made a suit before, should I even try for a suit like this first?

>>9995084
Body paint is also an option if you want something "skin tight." It is what I use. You just need a head.

>>9987292
Taobao

>>9995084
apparently the fur used is a stretchy type, i honestly forget the name. it's imported and is a bit pricey from what i've heard. you could probably dig around on fursuit fb groups and find the name, people asked about that style of suit many times.

>>9995656
It's in the furaffinity OP link anyways.

>>9995125
>good quality
All the good quality fur from taobao is pretty much the same price or higher than what you'd get in the US or western based stores after shipping.

Saw one of you in the wild for the first time today, she only had a tail but still weird

>>9995071
I hate the fur AA uses, it just looks so cheap, clumpy and shiny.

So who's this Dojo guy and why are the pronoun bio twitter users celebrating about him getting bullied off of twitter?

>>9996520
some MAGA that takes guns to non-gun friendly spaces and shows them off

>>9997028
That's it? The way they were talking about it made it sound like he was as bad as that dog rapist

I'm in a weird spot. I kind of just want to find somebody who makes good bird suits and commission them for one. At the same time though it feels kind of lame not to make my own. Most cosplayers at anime cons do their own, so why can't we after all?

>>9997136
buy a base and finish it from that.
a lot of furs make their own suits, but its easier to show you're not as skilled compared to using a simple pattern for a cosplay.

>>9995084
if you've never made a suit before, probably not. if you've never WORN a suit before, absolutely not. those things are supposed to be horrifically hot.

>>9998438
The baggy suits look so bad to me, but I guess skin tight ones aren't made to be worn for too long.

>>9956607
Speaking of tiny badger, I'm getting a digi fullsuit from her. Can't wait.

>>9997136
Because most furries have full time successful careers compared to the 19 year old thots living with their parents. They actually have the money to spend and their time is invested in their jobs

Sadly, K-Line did copyright claim the beware so can't post the pics of everything falling into pieces.

>>9999812

>>9999814

>>9999815
If you have any way of obtaining the damage photos, please share them here. I know of at least two other people who have been waiting for massive amounts of time after paying thousands, and haven’t heard or gotten anything from them. They’re scared to post because it really may seal their fate of never seeing their money again.

Maybe if more people post, a group of people can actually get something done about it. I’m sick of them scooping up 30-40k per showcase, turning out a few barely functioning suits, and ghosting on everybody else.

>>10000615
A friend linked me to this thred because of the Kline posts. I bought one of their first show case designs back in 2016 and was told it was to be at least started by October of the time I had bought it and they would contact me when they bought the materials. They never did. At this point I had only put an almost 2k down payment on this almost 4K+ suit. Since then they have ghosted me especially after I tried to ask for a refund. Since then Some people have come out to me about horror stories they have has with Kline but they have never posted them online publicly for some reason. One person told me how they commissioned Exin before they fused into Kline and when they did exin was just gonna drop their commission on to Rady with out even asking the commissioner if it was okay. When the commissioner found out about this they were upset and Kline threatened to sell their fursona/original design as a premade. They managed to threaten Kline back into not doing that and got their money back.

>>9999812
>K-Line did copyright claim the beware
Isn't this illegal?

>>10001617
fraudulent copyright claims are illegal but too expensive to prosecute 90% of the time. they basically rely on the victim's inability to do anything about it legally

>>10001618
Still, it shouldn't be hard to send the warning out with a youtube video or something, right?

>>10001625
Someone made a review about them on YouTube and it’s the only public review I have ever seen. Kline fucked up their suit made them wait three years and didn’t include any of the extra things the commissioner paid for. The whole review is just them saying “I love Kline! It’s no big deal!” Even tho they didn’t get that they paid for and seemed pretty disappointed.

>>10001649
I really feel like there should be a quick rundown warning video of them
The way it currently is is that people see Rufen, spend shitloads on trying to get a suit like that and anyone who protests what they get just gets bullied out of it and buried so the next shipment of gullible suckers can come in

>>10001656
A good way to get them to ghost your commission is even mentioning you want something similar to Rufen. I bought a showcase suit from them and asked if the face could be air brushed similar to rufens quality and also asked what the horns on my suit would be made off because I saw another suit in person of theirs that had horns which they made out of medium pile fur? They ignored my question about the air brushing but frantically and defensively told me I couldn’t have horns like rufen while giving me a bunch of BS reasons why it wouldn’t work. I tried to ask about the air brushing again but by that point they ghosted me up until I tried to ask for a refund.
I’ve always felt like it’s fauls advertising to have rufen the face of the company when they will never make a suit like that for anyone ever.

So how is everyone coping with the recent scandal?

>>10001703
>coping with something that doesn’t affect you

>>10001741
Hate to tell you but general consensus right now is all furries have to burn for what a few sick select few did.

>>10001703
I hate twitter furries anyway so I only follow them for suit pictures, the few times I do interact with furries I tend to wind up regretting.
So I don't really feel affected by it other than seeing how gross the community can become

>>10001703
>recent scandal
I don't use twitter. What happened?

>>10001780
Zoophilia

>>10001780
A group of furries got busted for having a secret IM group to distribute everything from animal and kiddy stuff to necrophilia and gore related sex. One of them was interviewed before by a popular Youtuber who had no idea.

>>10001780
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/zoosadism-megathread.47973/

>>10000615
>If you have any way of obtaining the damage photos, please share them here.
It wasn't anything too surprising anyways. Basicly the suit got zero seam tolerance and everything is lazy hand sewn with a straight stitch.

>>9997055
Nah he's just loud and opinionated and kind of one of those "muh guns muh 'merica i hate snowflakes" types but otherwise harmless.

Blep

>>10001793
>>10001802
I went down a rabbit hole I never wanted to know about. Thanks, anons. There are so many people defending this shit, what the fuck.

>>10001744
not really? i agree with anon u replied to. stop giving a fuck what others think. the idiots that think you're a zoophile for being a furry after one select few get exposed for it would of thought you were a zoo regardless

>>9995793
Nah, you can get high quality for like 25 bucks a roll after shipping.

>>10004091
Which is exactly how much it costs from western based websites and more expensive than what it costs in FD, like I said.

Are there any videos or tips for making a costume (Or at least just a head piece) Always thought of doing one just having trouble finding where to start!

>>9988126
I love this one so much! Its very well done!

What happened to the mochiri stego. She posted pictures of the suit but then it vanished. Same for the black fox and the fish eidolon never showed up.

Kinda tragic people got these suits and never took photos to share. I hope the next batch of applicants aren't huge flops

>>10004140
Then please show those "western based" websites that sell like rolls of 10 metres of quality faux fur for 25USD, I'll be waiting.

>>10005318
Oh and don't forget that the 25USD include the international shipping while at it.

>>10005094
Due to the long waiting time, a lot of people don't fit their suits anymore once they got it, can't take photos of something you can't wear.

>>10005094
not a lot of japanese suiters use public social media

>>10005324
mochiri doesn't have an insane wait time and their suits are roomy enough. multiple people don't grow out of suits that often. that isn't the reason.

>>10005324
Mochiri finishes suits in like 3 months wtf are you talking about anon

>>10005318
Joanns has decent fur for that price. There's multiple quality amazon listings that have fur at $25 per yard.
Stop moving goal posts, the point is that you can get fur for 25 buck a yard or less, not that you can get 10 meter rolls. When you order from TB, fur also doesn't usually come in one 10 M piece either.

Can a suit still look kemono style without having a tiny muzzle?

>>10008741
ya

Are there any good realistic wolf head bases that I can 3d print?

>>10005419
What? You can order however many metres you want off tb as one single roll. I'm not a furry but i've ordered fur for cosplay before and they send you how much you ask for as a single piece. Sounds like you don't really know what you're talking about.

>>10008960
Nope, I've ordered fur consistently off taobao, and typically if you exceed 6-7m, they'll cut it into separate pieces. It also won't come as a roll, but rather folded unless you're stupid enough to pay excessive size charges for shipping.

I'm very new to all this. I'm wanting to get a suit or work on making one to feel more comfortable in my skin so to speak at cons and such. I do have a OG I want to be so I wanted to say thank you for all the resources so far in this thread.
My question is in regard to the culture. As mentioned I'm very new and there's a lot I don't know about how to present myself beyond a lone character. Are there any references, guides, communities I can be guided to learn a little bit more about all of this?
Thank you in advance!

>>10010030
>lone character
Get a handler first :^)

>>10010041

So excited and nervous, I got my Nuke Creations base and DVC hooves. Gonna start making the pattern right now!

What is the average fursuit made from?
Do you prefer cotton or synthetic materials?

>>10011054
Those self harm scars tho

>>10011096
Faux fur? What the fuck else would you use?

>>10011096
Depending on species, you can also use fleece or whatever else will best suit the texture you want.

HEY GUISE. SEEN MY NEW MOVIE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNKuIM2fcpA&fbcl=

>>10011569
Do you know if faux fur is flame retardant?

Hey guys I'm pretty new to this but I was wondering if any of you knew how much it would cost to make my own suit.

Obviously I'll save up the more I can to be able to make the best quality but it would be easier to save up if I had at least an estimate for the end goal.

I have a friend who does suits and she said she would show me but I didn't know if it was rude to ask her how much I would be spending to make stuff like hers so if any of you guys could help out with giving an estimate cost for the supplies to make a good quality head that would be great.

Thankyou so much if anyone is able to help out I just thought it woukd be better to get multiple people's opinion as to just a single person who wrote it in a blog post or something

>>10012316
Link to your friend's work?

>>10012270
It's plastic, so it will melt.
That's an awfully strange question, anon.

>>10012316
Just because you have money doesn't mean you'll have the skills to make a good suit


Anyone know there story with garasaki?

>>10012316
Why would it be rude to ask approximately how much it is in materials if your friend knows that you're looking into making your own fursuit? Can't make one without materials, and can't get materials without having the available cash.
>>10012678
Just because you've never done something before doesn't mean that with enough prep work with learning the ins and outs you can't do it well.

>>10012685
Reread their post. They're not talking about effort only dollahz

>>10012431
https://aminoapps.com/c/furry-amino/page/blog/for-sale/5BkJ_PLWcVuLGezrLVGYk8lLkp4kRM5NKkM

Her stuff is pretty cute and it's been interesting to see each one get better with each new suit she works on since I've known her a bit before she started making suits

she has a Facebook and instagram under the sibi fursuits name but I'm not sure that if I were to link them all everyone woukd just think I'm trying to shamelessly promote

>>10012678
I'm hoping my friend could help me learn some of the basis of skills to make it I'm just trying to figure out how much I should save up before hand. Don't worry I know it won't turn out well the first few times

>>10012726
>I have a friend who does suits and she said she would show me
Clearly they intent to have their friend show them how to make the suit, but the anon needs to get their own materials, and the fact that they're asking for help about it shows some level of commitment to doing it. I'm giving the anon the benefit of the doubt that if they're trying to make a suit, they'll try to do it the best they can, which includes research into how other people do what it is they want to do.

>>10012726
Don't worry I know lots of hours have to be put into it to make it work!!

I do free lance concept art and those take a couple dozen hours at least to complete for video game companies and it's taken years to get my skill level to where it is now so I know that's going to be the same for making a suit and getting good at it

I was just wondering how much I should save up since I've never boughten fur or foam or whatever else needs to be used to make the suits

Also I was too embarrassed to ask my friend since asking money wise can sometimes be a touchy subject with some people. I wasn't sure that if I suggested a low price would make her think that I thought it only cost her that much to make her suits and offend her if it was too low. If that makes any sense

>>10012741
It's a touchy subject if its /their/ money you're asking about, ie "How much do you make for doing x". I don't know what sort of relationship you have with this friend, but asking approx. materials cost because you want to do something is hardly asking about their finances, and the materials cost is only part of what goes into the final price for fursuits on commission, far more of that goes to labor costs than it does materials.
Just straight up ask "How much is it for the fur and foam and stuff usually for a fursuit?", there's nothing to be embarrassed about there.
Doing that'd be for knowing how they do it, more generally I'd estimate <$500 in total, but that varies wildly between where and what kinds of foam and fur you get, and how much of it you get, and if there's any head bases and/or more miscellaneous premade parts like claws and paw pads involved.

>>10012740
> get friend to show them how they make their suits
> use money
> =/= able to make good suits

>>9951643
Is that larry david

I hope this is a good thread to ask in, but what would be the best way to stabalize a top heavy head? I recently made a wiggler head from Monster Hunter World, and it's a lot top heavier than I was expecting. I used some dowels in the base to help with support, but it doesn't seem to be enough to keep it from wanting to fall over. Would I be better off using more dowels for support or should I add some more foam padding to the bottom part to try and even out the weight? This is my first time making anything mascot adjacent so a lot of this is completely new to me.

>>10012741
how is that touchy
just ask how much you should expect to save/spend per suit..??? are u autistic or something

anyways you're gonna need a good pair of dog clippers which run over 150 alone and each blade is around 20-30 dollars. you're gonna want to have at least two 7 blades to swap between (can also get the andis brand coolant, but i prefer to swap after using it)
sewing machines can be cheap or expensive depending on what you get
you'll want to order foam from a wholesale site or just wait for a sale at joanns
order however much faux fur you need, there's a guide for buying fur: http://tsebresos.com/FurBuyingGuide.pdf
and the rest of the materials cost depend on what you want to use, really.

>>10014544
Anything money related can be touchy depending on the person. Its why incomes aren't discussed between coworker, why it can be rude to ask how much someone spent on a major purchase, etc. Some people just aren't open to talking about fiances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CuZxro0rrE

>>10014679
it's not a matter of 'finances' tho, it's a matter of how much they should expect to spend on fursuit making. even comes down to "what do i need to start out, tools and materials wise"

yall uptight

Speaking of materials, is it looked down upon to detail a suit with sharpies? If so, why?

I'm trying to figure out an alternative to airbrushing small details onto a fursuit but so far have come up empty.

>>10017162
I wouldn't say it's looked down upon unless the execution is crappy. The tool doesn't really matter, what you can do with it does.

>>10017162
Probably because sharpies are far from the best or safest way to do markings. They also turn purple/brown and run, not something you want to do to a $3000 suit

The 8k+ yen Furstar was finally spotted in the wild.

The ~8k Furstar dragon was finally spotted in the wild.

>>10017427

>>10017427
Is this something I should know about ?

>>10017433
You sound new.

>>10017430

>>10017427
he's perfect

wtf is Beastcub thinking

>>10018891
It looks /slightly/ better wit ha matte finish, but puff paint is never going to look professional.
https://twitter.com/TheBeastcub/status/1053770411563876352

>>10017443
Those fucking markings, a perfect turtle shell, small dots and stripes, a second head.

Yeah starting to see the 8k mark now

>>10018895
>https://twitter.com/TheBeastcub/status/1053770411563876352
>these were designed for looks over ease of use
Oh...oh no, no no no. Those look horrible. They look like beginner stuff and it should be obvious to someone like Beastcub how bad those look. It doesn't matter if you paid alot of money for the parts if you put them together so shittily.

>>10008741
Dont see why not

>>10019177
>>10018891
Puff paint doesn't look too bad if it's like, spotted scales or textured after the fact. This just looks like random drippy lines.

K-Line have removed all traces of the grey cancer cat from their social media and website. They're literally pretending it isn't one of their suits after the owner called them out

>>10019672
Im >>10019177 and yeah I dont necessarily have a problem with puff paint but it really needs to be either used in moderation or you better know what the fuck you're doing. It's like using cardboard for cosplay- can you make amazing things with it? Absolutely. Can you make amazing things with it by not finishing it off and being lazy? No, it's gonna look like shit.

>>10020056
You must be blind because everything is still up, of course they remove characters from the showcase page once they are sold.
https://twitter.com/Kemono_LINE/status/1028850900347932672

Am I the only one who thinks Mochiri's newest suit is pretty ugly? It looks like a deranged rabbit and the colors are gross too.

>>10021074
Not sure where you see a rabbit in that, it just looks like any other slim-muzzle dragon.

>>10021074
i'm with other anon
where the fuck do you see rabbit in that, it's like the other eidolons
the green is also nice, you're gross.

>>10021163
Oh god that actually looks like vomit. Sorry anon but that is gross

>>10021074
Who the fuck looks at baby-poo green and goes "yeah, i wanna wear that while pretending to be some demonkin wolf fucker"?