/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

Since we're having a very major drought of decent (anime) convention for December through what- April? May? June???? May Acon save our souls(and do well in the new venue- please don't fuck it up).
It's clearly time we all expand our borders a little and become weeb tourists. What are some European cons from now till winter that might be worth a visit?
I'll start off with MCM London, while it technically falls into the comic con category it's as weeb friendly as those can possibly get.

Is it just me or is literally every younger cosplayer in the dutch coscomm obsessed with Danganronpa (when its not Love Live)? I have yet to see any cosplayers under the age of 20 in this community who aren't obsessed with either.

About Guildgames (it was in the previous thread before it was deleted) it was basically a student organized con similar to kyocon but then focused more on gaming/cosplay. Their first edition was in beursgebouw Eindhoven and looked pretty sad. Chielon the guy that organizes it is a student/recently grad that goes around and asks all cosplayers to come to his little meetup

>>10013729
Wasn't MCM London heavily (over)crowded and has every hotel in the area charging absurdly high prices as people will still pay them anyway?

>>10013951
The only thing I noticed is that the older I get, the less I care for the main flavour of the year as well as the niche/sub flavours with a dedicated fanbase. I say good on them that they found something to enjoy and obsess about, especially as that something doesn't include idol groups and their shitty dance acts.

>>10014007
Yes. It's honestly not worth it.

>>10013729
I heard a few things about Raicon in Glasgow although I don't remember of those things were good or bad. Their winter edition is coming up November 4rd anyhow which may be a bit last minute to get a cheap flight.

>>10014007
I went there last year and it really was just too crowded to walk and talk.

>>10013956

Guild Games is pretty sad on every level. Before they rescheduled the event (which they did due to a lack of interest) literally 75% of the website was still "To be announced", and this was mere weeks before the event was supposed to take place.
I don't really get why there's people supporting the whole thing.

What are some of your favourite photographers? Personally, I really like the works of Devonkeubenphotography en robinmorganphotography

>>10014100
>Melle Krauwels Cosplay Fotograaf

>>10014100
I agree with Robin, he's a good photographer. I like his editing but he seems to be a bit selective on who he shoots with. I don't like Devon though. His work looks like he just randomly threw a bunch of filters over his photo's. He's always ''depressed'' as well so that's a big turn-off for me. I actually like Phillostar a lot, although his work seems like a hit-or-miss as well. Velvet Art is nice, too imho. My favourite is Skyvision. But I'm not sure if they really fall into the Dutch community.

>>10014118
This ''meme'' or them trying to be funny should really stop though.

>>10014143
Actually Melle agrees. It was a nice inside joke at first but to him it kinda feels really forced at this point and he never asked for this meme to be started.

>>10014100
Miradel and Weimar both manage to deliver consistent quality shots. Aryan from Hype Creations has improved significantly these past, it really shows he has been asking for feedback and took notes. Nathan has also grown and I do like how he keeps experimenten with new techniques. Aside from them I quite enjoy watching newcomers and watch them progress over time.

I like Robin's main style and especially his attention to colour. I do wish he would cut back on the amount of editing he does in people's faces as it just screams Photoshop.

Devon's post-editing tends to be rather bland, often using the same preset for everything. If he would just put in a bit more effort he could deliver more interesting photos that actually fits the source material in terms of tone. A shame really, also doesn't help he's known to being a bit flaky.

>>10014118
I really can't get a hold of Zerkon. The few times we met he was rather closed and he just gives off a weird vibe to me. I also find his pictures to be nothing too special. Could just be me tho...

>>10013951
I really like the franchise but I feel like the fandom is filled with annoying kids

my favourite cosplay (event) photographer is special edition

>>10014216
I enjoy watching the newcomers as well. The ones I think got potential are Devon (Although he's not necessarily a newcomer), Photo's by Citrus, Dave Cosplay Photography, Baka Pictures & Crao (but I heard some really sketchy stories about the guy).

Furthermost I really like Miradel, Velvet and Dazzle's style too. I think Robin's photos are sometimes a bit over-edited. Especially with the effects & faces.

>>10014245
Wasn't Crao from Belgium though

>>10014266
Yeah he is and I've heard more then some really sketchy stories about that guy. He's also always depressed and on top of that he refers to some of his way younger models as his "little girls" or "little sisters" which makes me wanna puke in my mouth. Plus, his pictures are run of the mill and messy, so that's a no from me.

>>10014100
She doesn't really have a photography only page I think but moriartician from instagram. There's something different about her which I like and she is so damn efficient. I shot with her once and she actually gave me a time window and a deadline and everything. Felt really professional, as opposed to everyone else complaining about backlog.

>>10014245
Citrus is actually Xiuemi and from what i heard she is good friends with Robin. Pretty sure he sharing some tips to her. I think her photos look pretty good already!

>>10014100
Kai is a rather good photographer, he is also rather fast most of the time.

>>10014100

Shadowbullet Photography is also pretty good sometimes, I think with him it is a hit or miss. he can improve for sure

>>10014298
I think Shadowbullet is on the same level als Melle. But I really don't think he's "good". He still got lots to learn.

>>10014100
talking about photographers, did Vincent Lee completely disappear from the cosplay com?

>>10014406
From what I've heard he's doing more paid gigs outside of cosplay. Can't blame him, seeing how little money there is in cosplay photography.

>>10014289
Isn't Citrus her BF?

>>10014291#

Well, not really. I'm still waiting on pictures from Kai back at animecon.. It's getting annoying to wait so long and when you ask him he doesn't reply

>>10014472
Well get in line because a lot more cosplayers are waiting for their pictures, some are even waiting for at least a year.

>>10014584
>>10014472
>>10014291
I'm from burgerland so I assume the cosplay culture is quote a bit different there, is there a usual expected turnaround time?
Budding photog here, just trying to get an idea for how long is too long in getting cosplayers their pics back.

>>10014608
Here for most of the cosplayers too long is like 3-4 months (depends on the person though but I think that's the general avarage.)

>>10014438
They're photographing/editing together. So they're both Citrus.

>>10014436
But then again, isn't cosplay photographer for most people just a hobby? It's pretty expected you won't make tons of money on just a hobby.. That's why it's a hobby lol.

>>10014100
All-time favourite is definitely Miradel. She has a vision and consistently makes cosplayers look great.
I also like Chastten, he's easy going, nice to work with. Weiman is technicaly good but his models can look really unflattering sometimes, it's hit or miss.

>>10014608
I'm still waiting for pics from Animecon but I'm not too bothered about them.

>>10014608
>is there a usual expected turnaround time?
It’s important to know that Dutch conventions prohibit photographers to charge any money for on-con pictures and shoots. We see conventions more as a means for both photographers and cosplayers to get some practice in and to do some networking. I like this as it keeps the entire community easily approachable, but it also means one’s job and personal life will rightfully so have priority over post-processing and delivering any pictures.

With that said, usually people deliver between 2 to 12 weeks depending on how busy they are in life and the amount of post-processing they do. This can be anywhere between performing no post-processing at all, and going over each picture manually in Lightroom and applying light to heavy touch-ups in Photoshop. Some will also give priority to planned on-con shoots over the random people they shot which I can definitely understand. It should also be said that the post-con depression can hit a person quite hard and kill their creativity and productivity.

My advice if you want to give an indication on when you will deliver one’s pictures? Try to find out how long you usually take on editing and check your schedule to see how much time you’ll actually have to do so after each convention. As long as you aren’t being paid and haven’t been slacking off there’s no shame in letting people wait a little longer on their pictures as long as you give them a heads-up.

>>10014608
I heard he only sends the people he " likes " photos faster and doesn't care about what his models want.

>>10015130
Who ??

>>10015186
Kaleidoscopy

>>10014834

With the part on charging money for shoots. It really annoys me lately the cosplay scene is attracting more and more oldies who do basic paid studio photography with no clue about cosplay and keep ranting/starting the discussion about how weird it is there arent many who do a paid shoot/ask too little.

>>10014834
>>10015420
I've always had the view that if it's at the con, do it for free. If you do a shoot at a studio, outside a con at another location, it can be paid, even if it's just travel allowance or something.

>>10015438

Outside a con is fine, if that is the deal you made with a photographer/cosplayer but i meant it more as alot of "non cosplay" photographers come check oit the "scene", which is cool, suddenly come boasting and almost saying ftp basis offcon shoots are weird, it should be paid etc. which usually are the types with a basic headshot made in a studio as a profile picture. Its fine they want to shoot for money but dont shit on the ftp base people who actually enjoy it as a hobby.

>>10015519
That is indeed the main problem with those kind of photographers. They don't seem too understand that most people whi do cosplay photography are not profesionals and do it mostely as just a hobby.

>>10015519
I really hate these normie studio photographers guys who are coming to perv on girls at cons. They really have no clue what cosplay photography is. Really people should stick to photog's like Miradel and Robin, instead of stepping into these creeps their studios. It seems cons are attracting more and more of them lately.

>>10015716
That's because the costhots seem to multiply. Having no problem to strip their clothes of for some guy as long as he has a camera. Obviously that attracts creeps and perverts.

People dont put Robin Morgan, Devon and Citrus in with the other photographers. Their work is really not that good.

>>10014100
Ur taste is a bit weird.

i live a block a way from there and if i see any of you fucking weebs i'm gonna shoot you

>>10015803
Right, get over your feelings.

>>10015803
Neither is Morgan's honestly. It's 85% editing.

>>10015803
I was more disturbed by the comment that put dazzle in the same sentence as miradel and velvet art

>>10015803
I think their work is pretty good to be honest. I mean, they're just hobby photographers anyways. Sure, there's room for improvement but they're better than the average cosplay (hobby) photographer out there in the Dutch scene.

>>10015831
I agree. Want to talk about bad one trick photographers, then surely its dazzle.

>>10015827
So is anyones, including mirade, velvet etc.What is your point?

The Netherlands is one of a handful of countries in which the coscom DOESN'T pay their photographers, whether it be off con or at con. That honestly kind of baffles me.
Can someone explain to me why it is expected that people drag their heavy equipment somewhere, drive a long way, ask a photographer who didn't plan on shooting you explicitly, and still expect the pictures to look dazzling, be edited in a jiffy and all for free?
When a photographer asks for money or compensation it is considered taboo but in most other countries you need to book a slot with a photographer at a con.

I'm not saying all of the cosplayers do this, but I do notice it happening a lot in the Netherlands.
What are your thoughts?
I'm not attacking anyone with this, I just want more insight because to me, this discussion about comparing photographers is interesting but I don't understand the lack in understanding for paid photoshoots.
fyi I am comparing paid photoshoots with foreign COSPLAY specialized photographers who also charge their cosplayers, not creepy basement studio guys in the netherlands.

>>10016090
Photographers here shoot who they want to shoot, they'll say no if the cosplay is not up to their standards or not their style. (that said, there's some cosplayers that still have the guts to complain about that in fb groups, while the photographers do it for free).
Most, if not all, cons forbid photographers from asking money for their services, or prints of pictures made at a con.
A handful of 'popular' (there's not a lot in the NL) cosplay photographers make schedules with cosplayers they enjoy to make pictures with at cons, ofcourse for free since the con forbids payment. Often enough these photoshoots off-con organized are paid for, generally in the sense of travel costs or such, but only if the cosplayer approaches the photographer.
I've done a couple off-con shoots that were free, I just had to take care of my own travel to the location, since I was asked to be photographed.
I guess photographers are more hobbyists in the Netherlands. Also heavy, thousand-dollar costing equipment, isn't that similar to heavy, thousand dollar costing cosplays, dragging those to a con?

>>10016051
My point is that there's always a certain lack of things; decent posing, challenging compositions, general risque. It's all just pretty looking fluff.

Just came back from MGC... Tomotickets on their bracelets as well and almost nothing to do there. Few shops, decent artist alley, but other than that. Meh. Such a disappointment.

>>10016129
Don't tell me you expected anything else.

you are aware miradel is gonna stop cos photographing for a little while right. she wants to focus on irl stuffs.

As a cosplayer with not so interesting costumes who does want some pictures of them, what is a decent price to pay for shoots?

>>10016216
That usually depends on the photographer, and even then there's a lot of factors that go into coming to a price:
The time put in (hours paid), travel expenses, location costs, food, etc.
Or perhaps there's a set price a photographer has for the sort of shoot you wanna do.

What I would recommend, though, is figure out what cons you wanna go to and just ask a cosplay photographer if they are going to the con and if they might wanna take some pictures with you. If you don't know where to start, look at the photographers named in this thread. A good bunch wouldn't charge money at conventions, even if they were allowed to. Take a look at their style and just send them a message.

>>10016216
just speak up to photographers at cons. Where its free. You can start networking here.

>>10016129
Yea, it wasn't anything to write home about. Dealer room was dark, artist alley (with a few dealers) was brightly lit.
Some of the well known bootleg dealers were there, although one of them seemed to have less this time, but they did carry stuff that made me think that Kaomiji was there instead. Saw that guy from Animecon argue with the weebs from the bootleg plush dealer, wanted to got to them to tell him it's not worth it, but he shut them down before I got there.
Catering wasn't much, and dangerous: saw the food stand next to honkies touch food without gloves, so glad I managed to get a sandwich in.

If this is the new and improved mgc... never mind then.

>>10016157
I am, yes, not everyone does know that I think? But yeah, sadly no miradel pictures for a while.

Is it me or are WicketWigs' products pretty bad for the price?
I was happy to have a cosplay-focused wig shop here but I'm not spending €90 on the fakest looking lacefronts ever.

>>10016619
It’s you

>>10013729
I can recommend a few german conventions:

Bookfair Leipzig (March)
Dokomi (Dusseldorf, May/june)
Animuc (Munich, April)

>>10016619

To be fair, I so dislike their online webshop, it looks so bland, like their models don't even want to try on the wigs for a photo to sell the product. I like them more when I see them on a convention (Because I can see them up close..) although I can't speak of kwality of their wigs. I only bought my front lace wigs online from Posewigs and Wigisfashion

>>10016659
Connichi was always a good event.

>>10016619
It's not just you. When I started cosplaying I bought wigs for way too much there, now I know how to find better wigs for half the price on Aliexpress. They might be good for starter wigs but there are better alternatives.

>>10016662
Other anon, you see them a lot at conventions and I'm not convinced of their quality either. Many of their wigs are thin or poorly structured, I don't find it worth the money.

I'm here to start another topic.

I heard that Europe and especially the dutchies are quite closed for "Fat" cosplayers. They're often mocked and looked down at.

What is your point of view of fat and chubby cosplayers? Do you feel like their quality in cosplay is often less than the skinnier ones or do you welcome them "cosplay is for everyone" and all that?

>>10017179
To put it simple, most of the Dutch coscom don't really mock fatter cosplayers out in public, you'd be immediately called out for being toxic and bodyshaming.
Though I am quite sure that in almost any friendcircles in the com they bodyshame or talk shit about other cosplayers outside of their circle.
That, or they post it anonymously or on private/hidden accounts on social media chats.
In other words, you won't be hearing it in public or in your face but a lot of people (not all) do bodyshame others.
It's up to you to decide if this is asshole behaviour for slandering about others or not because you're trying to act nice to them despite your opinion on their cosplay.

>>10017179
Cosplay according to your bodytype. Cosplay is about portraying a character. If you don't even look like it, it ruins the experience. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate, a little bit of difference is fine, but some fatass cosplaying a twink character is just lame. This goes both ways though, skinny DYELs who cosplay as buff dudes are just as pathetic looking, or like guys who refuse to shave their beards for their cosplay. There are so many characters in all forms of media that you could find plenty to cosplay as.

>>10017179
I personally am on the "cosplay is for everyone" team, but I do agree with >>10017184
about people gossipping behind people's backs or here on 4chan, which is a shame! if you're going to be a bitch, be the whole bitch! do it in public in stead of hiding behind some anonymous internet profile.

>>10017179
Before explaining anything it's important to know two basic things about the Dutch mindset. First off due to our Calvinistic roots we are strong believers of 'Just be normal, that's wild enough'. Stand out or boast too much and the crowd will cut you down and put you back in your place as the equal that you are. Secondly we have this thing called Dutch tolerance which boils down to everyone being free to whatever they want as long as they aren't being a nuisance to others. Because of this the Dutch are very self-aware and expect others to be so as well.

What this means for cosplay is that we simply expect one to dress accordingly to their body. If you're fat and out of shape you just know it would look weird for you to cosplay as Wonder Woman, a fit athletic heroine. Got manboobs, better keep your shirt on if you want to remotely look like Goku and not like Fat Buu.

With that said, we do differentiate between those who cosplay for fun and those who cosplay more seriously. We have low standards for those who cosplay for fun and such are mostly left alone under the motto cosplay is for everyone. We may be Dutch, but we're not barbarians.

>>10017195
T H I S

the dutch coscom has more fat than skinny cosplayers imo and they're all in each others asses

>>10017179
I' would say "cosplay is for everyone" but the truth is, and that's not only in our small country but everywhere, if you want to get recognized as a cosplayer and get a name out there: Lose some damn weight if you're chubby or fat.

Same goes for competition cosplay. People are more likely to remember a thin person that looked well in a cosplay than a fat person that does have skill but didn't look too good. I for one don't like looking at fat rolls but that's just my preference.

and that's just the bitter truth.

>>10017188
> if you're going to be a bitch, be the whole bitch! do it in public in stead of hiding behind some anonymous internet profile.
Please do, get yourselves banned from the few remaining decent dutch cons asap. It happened before and it can happen again! If you're a closeted judgemental ass, don't stay on 4chan! Spread that toxicity far and wide! Make sure the whole community has an opinion about you in that 2 weeks of relevancy slot before you're entirely forgotten afterwards.

There are a few too many circle jerk hate groups out there, be it discords or private whatsapp groups, where all these toxic opinions hide. Even 4chan is so mild these days. I can't stand that there are so many people who have a 'down to earth', 'chil&kind' outwards appearance on cons and shit talk people into the ground in their personal little hate chats. Then again, the people they shit talk in turn have their own hate groups where they shit talk the other party in the exact same way.
The best part about these groups is when someone in one of those groups accidentality outs themselves or one of their friends and seeing everyone act like they never knew that person in 0.2 seconds, can't let it be known you're friends with someone toxic after all, and you're of course nothing like that toxic friend!

Honestly, the current cosplay community it's fake-ness and dishonestly is a crumbling facade. We all have opinions, be it extreme or not, be it expressed(positively or negatively) or not.

>>10017179
>>10017201
I'd like to add that being chubby or fat is also incredibly unhealthy and these cosplayers need to lose weight for their own well being anyway. Even when society nowadays make it look like being chubby and fat is perfectly normal. So why not make cosplay your motivation to do so?

>>10017195

I agree with this post along the general lines but it also a bit, in my opinion, about what the reason that someone cosplays besides 'liking design or series'. Do you cosplay for yourself or for others and/or their attention? Most likely i have a feeling most fat cosplayers that complain about "skinny" or "skin showing" cosplayers being populair is that they want that attention and/or deserve it more just because they are fat/had a hard bullied life/skinny people have it easier and thus ruining the their chance to get attention they want. That is why they crawl in each other ass.

I feel like there aren't many fit cosplayers, most good looking ones are skinnyfat. Like in america there are many plus sized cosplayers also ones that make great costumes, but also fit ones that buy everything or have slaves make the costumes for them.

>>10017202
>Please do, get yourselves banned from the few remaining decent dutch cons asap.
Except Dutch conventions don't ban people just for being mean or because of some rumours. It takes a lot more to get banned from a con; threats, theft, assault, harassment, drug trade or pretty much anything that violates convention rules or Dutch law. Being mean on the internet? Not so much...

>>10017216
> if you're going to be a bitch, be the whole bitch! do it in public in stead of hiding behind some anonymous internet profile.
> do it in public in stead of hiding behind some anonymous internet profile.
> do it in public
Did you read? We're not talking rumours here babe, get out there, go big and expose yourself mid convention! There is no bad publicity if you just want attention, get people talking, making opinions about you! They may forget you in a few weeks but you'll have your name stapled as someone everyone in the community has an opinion about.

>>10017195
I'm not saying you are barbarians but dutch people do tend to have a more straight-forward opinion on topics like this one.

That aside, I'm curious to when you view someone as a cosplayer that is cosplaying more seriously and what you consider a cosplayer just cosplaying for fun.

And what if a cosplayer that is just cosplaying for fun becomes popular but happens to be fat? Do you expect them to lose a little weight?

>>10017220
Did you read? All I pointed out was how conventions don't just ban people over silly vendettas and people being mean to eachother. I'm getting the feeling you're assuming I'm a specific someone, so allow me to make it clear I'm likely not who you assume I am. I guess it comes with the territory of posting as Anonymous.

>>10017226
People seriously need to stop assuming who made certain posts. You can never be sure whoever wrote what post. I though that was clear when everyone pretended to be prop-anon.

>>10017226
Nah babe I have no clue who you are and couldn't care less about your identity.
I read yes, but you took a specific part of what I said and acted like there was nothing behind that sentence! This wasn't just about getting yourself banned from cons for whatever reason, it's all about exposing your sinning self for the world to see! Drop the facade, let's all hate one another on main! No more faked friendships and talking about one another behind each others back.
Or, as the comment I originally quoted put it:
> if you're going to be a bitch, be the whole bitch! do it in public in stead of hiding behind some anonymous internet profile.

>>10017225
>I'm not saying you are barbarians but dutch people do tend to have a more straight-forward opinion on topics like this one.
Oh that was just a joke on my behalf. Don't read too much into it, it's just that some see our straight forwardness as rude.

>That aside, I'm curious to when you view someone as a cosplayer that is cosplaying more seriously and what you consider a cosplayer just cosplaying for fun.
Attitude mostly. I notice serious cosplayers are often more focused on making a name for themselves by competing in larger competitions, hosting workshops or panels, trying to get invited as guests or judges, looking for sponsors and what not. You rarely see someone who only cosplays for fun doing these kind of things.

>And what if a cosplayer that is just cosplaying for fun becomes popular but happens to be fat Do you expect them to lose a little weight?
Not really, but I'd still expect them to dress accordingly to their bodies. Making a good costume and putting it on is one thing, but pulling off a convincing cosplay is an entirely different thing. It requires one to match their looks and shape as closely as possible to the original character to sell the illusion of actually being them. Of course this doesn't has to be all natural and things like shape wear, makeup, corsets can definitely assist them with this. But to me, it's one of the key elements what makes or breaks a good cosplay. Unfortunately not everyone agrees with this and use the "cosplay is for everyone" trend as an excuse not having to put in a bit more effort. It's a shame really, especially as it mostly holds them back in the end.

>>10017228
I think you meant smoke-anon. Because I have an actual tripcode.

>>10017233
You're annoying in trying to be such a sanctimonious do-gooder and trying so hard to expose someone. Just leave it be, >>10017226 is most likely not going to be who you want it to be, or respond the way you want them to. I don't even know what you're trying, but quit the sanctimonious act and condescending use of 'babe'.
Thank you.

>>10017310
Gee don't get so offended dearie(better than babe, right?). I'm not trying to expose anyone in specific at all, never said I had any dirt on anyone and lemme slip you in on this little fact; I don't have anyone or anything to expose. I'm just vouching for the idea of, if and when you'd be a bitch, be a full on bitch. Don't go halfway, go the full way! This community could use some good ol' purging.
I don't want just anyone in specific to show their true bitchin' self, everyone should! Chaotic freedom! Let's burn all these double standard to the ground.

Though gosh it's a little concerning how personal you and the other anon are taking my random anonymous comments here. It's almost like you're feeling personally attacked! How wild, it's as if- by taking me so seriously, you're kind of suggesting you're someone who talks a lot behind people their backs. Whoa! Funny how that works. Feel de devil breathin' down your neck yet?

Fatties begone

>>10017390
Nah senpai, I'm just tired of people like you who think they're preaching to the people and think they're so important. I agree with you on the point of being open and straightforward, but that's not gonna happen because people are people. Deal with it.

>>10017451

To be honest the whole world would be better without all those obese fuckers and also all those fake fat fuckers in too tight of a cosplay. Ever seen that Ricardo love live dude. Good example.

>>10017482
I don't see myself being very important in this at all, I'm just a nobody really! I may hope that if people want to truly peach to this community they don't do it in a place like 4chan.
It's ok if people are not feeling up to it right now, one day the community will crumble and fall in on itself because of it though. At least the next generation of tiny weebs can replace us like we've replaced the 1st wave con-go'ers before us!

>>10017451
>>10017497
Good posts

1) Dutch people are taller and less fat than the average American. In the cosplay scene that is not different. Therefore, being fat stands out a bit more.
2) Dutch are more direct. So, when you put on a costume, and your friend tells you it would look better is you would lose a few kilo's (we rarely use pounds), it can be honest, fair and kindhearted advise.

Personally, I think your body is part of your costume. If you can spend half a year on a costume, you can also lose 5 kilos easily to make the total picture even better.
Is your size a reason to not cosplay something? No. However, expect more praise if you look completely like the character instead of (1/) half the picture.

People hate being told they CAN lose weight because it means that you confront them for being lazy.
Even bucktooth sandbag l’vante lost weight for cosplay and you all know it did her good.

Thing is, eating healthy by cutting down sweets and snacks and just switching to water instead of soda. Eating 5 small meals instead of 3 big ones + snacks and at least 30 mins a day of excersize is something they all don’t want to deal with. It means “changing myself for society” lol

Losing weight is the easier part of being a good cosplayer, unless you have a medical condition.

Actually learning how to sew and make props and some basic wig styling takes more time and effort than doing 50 situps and squats every day.

>>10017851

> Losing weight is the easier part of being a good cosplayer, unless you have a medical condition.

Even if you have a real medical condition, people still call you fat and lazy, cause only lazy fat people say they have a medical condition that makes them unable to loose weight.

It doesn't matter what you do, if you're fat/skinny fat/not even fat, you can never win from that facking 4chan fat hivemind.

>>10017930
But most fat people i know blame it on some kind of medical condition. I have met very few that actually just admit their overeating and need to hit the gym more often. I mean sure there are some very rare medical conditions that can cause you to be fat. But according to fat people they do not seem to be so rare.

> Only RARE medical conditions make you fat

And that's where you and MANY people are wrong.

Chemotherapy makes you fat
Cancer is a very common disease

Antidepressants make you fat
Depression is a common illness

Many things can make you fat, but people just want to call fat people fat and lazy, thus enabling some sort of stigma against fat people.

People just need to stop judging, you don't know why people are fat, you have no reason to tell them to loose weight or to excise more. Just mind your own business.

>>10017998

Are you high? Chemo patients are told to eat extra beforehand, since they will lose weight because of the side effects like nausea, loss of appetite and generally feeling really bad.
Anti-depressants can increase the feeling of hunger, therefore prompting people to eat more, but you can definitely be on anti-depressants and maintain or lose weight. You simply need to track your intake.
I don't care if you want to be fat, but you're in denial about the causes. The only cause is your overeating.

>>10018054
Exactly! Its the same story that any average fat person gives you nowadays. Its always medical and you should just mind your own business.

I've seen fat cosplayers at cons eating huge bags of potato chips, pizza's and what not still claiming their fat because of some medical problem.
Ya'll just keep kidding yourself. I won't be the one dealing with diabetes anyways.

>>10017998
Either way they are still ugly and an eyesore, it doesn't matter how they got to that point.

>>10017998
Even the pill can make you fat. Depression on it's often causes weight gain.

>>10018054
Chemo really on average makes you fatter. It can happen due to fluid retention, an increase in fatty tissue and steroids that are in chemo. The nausea can also lead to carb cravings.

>>10018054
>>10018067
>>10018079


Thanks for proving earlier statements!

>It doesn't matter what you do, if you're fat/skinny fat/not even fat, you can never win from that facking 4chan fat hivemind.
> Even if you have a real medical condition, people still call you fat and lazy, cause only lazy fat people say they have a medical condition that makes them unable to loose weight.


Shadow and Oessie, stop sharing one fucking braincell, you Incels

>>10018097
>thinking this is a mentality only 4channers share
Lmao @ u

>>10018096
>>10018096
Fluid retention is not fat, and does not make you fat. Carb cravings do not make you fat, giving in to cravings does. Steriods can change where your fat is stored but cannot create fat out of thin air. The whole logic is just wrong.

Nevertheless, people on chemo are usually very sick and will have more important problems than how they look in a costume. The average chub cosplayer will definitely not be on chemo. The argument is fucking stupid.
I'm not even mad about people being fat or not but this is just disrespectful to people battling cancer. Don't go throwing chemo around as an excuse seriously what is wrong with you.

oh look it's the 'cosplay is for everyone' vs 'you look like shit if you're fat' discussion again
my grain of salt: if you wanna be taken seriously when you wanna look like the character, have somewhat the same body shape too.

Can y'all just stop pretending to be doctors and stfu.

The only thing you're proving is that y'all are narrow minded AF

Just mind your own fucking business and leave people be.

Throwing in chemo as an excuse for being fat is like the lowest of the low. What is wrong with you?? People on chemo got some serious shit to deal with. Dont be using this as an excuse for you being obese. Seriously your that desperate to just not admit you might be simply eating too much?

Sure, all the fatties are fat because they are depressed from their chemo

>>10018281
Better to be narrow minded than wide bodied amirite

It shows that /cgl/ is a mostly female board, all these excuses for being fat. Instead of just owning up and seeing that you're fat because you shove your face full of food. Sure, some medical shit can have an impact, but that's nothing that a stricter diet and more exercise can't counter balance. At least the fat men mostly know they're fat, admit it, admit it's cause they eat too much/exercise too little, and don't make much excuses. And then the women go "oh my size 40/42 isn't even that fat" and "oh but I am totally active and healthy, mind your own business" Fat chicks are just unattractive, but rather than fixing their own shit, they prefer to blame everybody and everything else, and just force other people to tolerate and accept their flabby heaps. And it's bad enough in everyday life, but in cosplay, that just looks downright awful, when they're trying to accurately portray a character, but then look like a sandbag wrapped in spandex.

>>10018553
While I agree, 4chan has this strange hivemind that even anyone with a little bit of curves or cellulite is 'fat'. There's a difference between 'fat', fat and obese.
I work out a lot and gained quite some muscle in the past year, but I'm not getting rid of my cellulite, because that's just the way it is. It doesn't matter that I've got a low bodyfat percentage, to 4chan it's still fat. And I think that's part of the reason why people are just like 'this is my reason for being 'fat'' But I don't know.

For fucks sake, the topic was overweight cosplayers being looked down upon, can't you people stay on-topic just once instead of turning this into a /fit/ discussion about what makes a person fat and how to lose weight?

Fandom Weekend disaster is not over yet.

Visitors and standholders are not getting any money back, since PayLogic haven't heard anything from the organization. Also, this article was published on the 20th

https://www.bd.nl/s-hertogenbosch/standhouders-en-bezoekers-heroesdome-kunnen-fluiten-naar-hun-geld~a7332749/

>>10018597
I'm glad this part of the shit storm finally made a (local) newspaper article. More exposure like this makes it harder for him to try and pull this crap again in the future, especially as this article features his full name. I'm sure every major dealer is aware of his sketchy business by now and will want to have nothing to do with him anymore.

If anything it sickens me how he tried to keep the cancellation a secret from everyone, never notified his celebrity guests about the cancellation and now is also refusing to pay back anyone. Hell, he even slandered the location and its director for the cancellation despite him never having paid the deposit for location to begin with. I really hope justice will be served for the sake of everyone affected by his actions.

>>10018584
It is on topic. Fatties be like you should mind your own business. My body retains fluids some sort of shit. Others be like just stop shuffing your piehole full of shit. This directly relates to fat cosplayers not willing to loose weight to portray a character more realistic.

All of the you can reeeee all you want, but truth is, most people don't cosplay to please others, so it isn't going to change anything.
Voorjekijkendoorlopen

>>10018653
Just because you don't do to please others, doesn't mean other people can't find your overstuffed sausage body revolting to look at, and comment, to you or others, about how it takes away from the cosplay.

>>10018660

> to comment to you

Why do you think you have the right to tell someone something like that. Are you even sane? in your right mind?

No one has the right to bodyshame someone and yet, you think you have this entitlement.

Maybe you should go to prison, there's no way people can be fat in prison right? sounds like the right place for you.

>>10018553
>being this angry that fat people can be comfortable with their bodies
Just because you aren't comfortable with your own body doesn't mean you should try making other people uncomfortable with theirs.
>>>/fit/

>>10018667
wow the sjw's have arrived

It's so stupid when people say they shame on fat people because they care about their health. Like you would actually care about some random peoples health lol. Are you also going to tell every random smoker in public to quit?

>>10018687


Better a sjw than a fattie hating body shaming manchild :shrug:

>>10018689
Seeing how a third of taxes goes towards healthcare, it's not that weird that wanting a healthy society is desirable. That combined with the fact that a rise of fat chicks significantly makes the dating pool of attractive chicks smaller. Plus a fit and healthy society is less likely to be lazy and more likely to be productive and innovative.

>>10018690
t. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ynZowsDtU

>>10018667
back to tumblr with you fatty

>>10018660
Who hurt you?

>>10018660
Oessie just stop posting and get back to the gym please.

i hope this will get deleted again.

When a curious question about how fat people are viewed in the dutch com turns into this.

I'm truly sorry people I was actually having a good debate with.

>>10018653

If those cosplayers, who arent cosplaying for others ( thus their attention, wanting a big cosplay social media account, follows, likes ) complain so much the more skinnier/well curved get the attention ? They arent all cosplayer for others so why are they complaining others dont care for them?

>>10018800
What?

Alright, let's all forget about the drama crap for a second and let's talk about some conventions coming up:

Halloween event @ random Manga shop Oktober 27th
Come to Dordrecht they got memes and Karaoke

Kumafest November 1st in Brugge
It's an Anime film festival in Belgium

Japan-Con Brussels November 3rd and 4th
A slightly bigger Anime convention

Squeekers Halloween Edition November 4th
small event for local fans

BAGGERklaas November 24th Drachten
Surprises, Papernoten and cosplay in the earthquake part of the country.

Dutch Comic con Heroes Utrecht November 25th
yet another Comic Con

Winter Wonder Cosplay Ball December 1st Turnhout
Celebrate christmas with cosplay and your friends, basically BAGGER but more to the south, the part with the funny accent.

Guildgames (swallowed by Tomo)
December 15th 16th in Eindhoven
A medium sized convention revolving around games and indie games

Moshimoshi/JapaneseFoodFestival/SushiFestival also December 15th and 16th
A ??? convention with non working websites, last year way too busy, this year a complete gamble whether it will succeed

Jaapcon2.0 Beverwijk 28th of December
Cringe and trigger con
Tomofair Amsterdam January 5th and 6th
Another Tomo event

Imagicon Ede January 26th
Sci-fi, fantasy and stuff combined with cosplay

Tomofair Rotterdam febuary 23rd
Yet Another Tomo Event

Made in Asia March 8th-10th Brussels
Big event, even bigger than all the others named above.

>>10018808
Wait, Guildgames swallowed bt Tomo?

YES, we can talk about Tomo again!

Thank god, for a second I thought this thread was completely going to devolve into a bootleg /fit/

Little do we know tomo will swallow up all cons eventually.

In a few years we'll have Abunai: Tomo edition.

>>10018893
Jikes, please no.

Honestly don't think there's much left for them to gobble up though. Only small events may be tempted by their "help", I think the few remaining medium-large anime con's know to avoid any such offer and keep distance.
There's only what- four? of those left by now though. Anime, Nishicon, YaYcon and Abunai.

>>10018808
Wait Jaapcon is back?

>>10019034
Sadly, yes.

>>10018898
There's still plenty to swallow up at our southern neighbors

How I feel about some people on this thread...

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>>10019319
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAlTOfl9F2w

>>10018808
since when is Drachten in the earthquake part of our country

>>10019361
>ttps://www.youtube.com/embed/rAlTOfl9F2w
Since:
https://www.ad.nl/nieuws/onderzoek-kans-op-aardbevingen-friesland-klein~a0fc3484/

>>10018808
Jesus christ. BAGGERklaas. Such a shitty name. Didn't expect anything else from the people from Drachten though.

>>10019444
It stands for
Boeren Anime Gilde Groningen En Regio
Their mascot is pretty fun though, gotta see the humor of it

Well, I guess Viencon 2019 is a thing guys.

>>10019512
Going!

>>10019512
Awesome, that leaves me with little under a year to find a group of laidback mature trustworthy people to share a cottage with. Wish me luck!

>>10019512
I'm probably gonna skip next year. I didn't like last time all too much. I hoped they'd make it non-shared in 2019, but apparently they won't. Besides, looking at most photos that were taken during last edition aren't all that worth it for me either.

>>10019512
Very glad to hear they'll get another edition to be honest. With the right cottage mates it can be a lot of fun. Of course you shouldn't really do it for the con part, but I personally loved the fact that you had one area filled with cosplayers and their cottages. That really was spmething I didn't get to experience at other cons. Also, because of that, the parties are way better.

>>10019806
I know right! It was supposed to be a photo con, but yet i have not seen one single good photo from it. All photos i saw really looked terrible and very amateur. But as far as I can tell none of the really good photographers went there anyway.

>>10019972
Its organized by photographers btw. And what? There were good ones there. There were good ones from Germany and England as well. They are not in any dutch cosplay groups though. Some of the German and English cosplayers looked nice though.

>>10019806
Too bad its shared, but im still going. Dont care much about other peoples pictures.

>>10018097
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How does the pricing work for Viencon? Do you buy a package per person or do you need to rent a cottage and buy a ticket seperately?

>>10020093
Per person but it includes everything, they said the price will be increased somewhat. It was around 110-115 euros last time. So I guess its gonna be 130 or something. (including ticket, pool pass etc.) Oh wait except toiletpaper hahaha

>>10020193
Its cheap.
Hmm animecon or Abunai is over 210+. 150-170 for a hotel and 70 for tickets.

But ofc for day visitors ur forced to stay entire weekend. sucks for them.
But sounds like a solid deal.

>>10020193
You need to fill a cottage though it starts at 4. even though its per person.

What's the best place to buy Japanese magazines in the Netherlands? Especially if you want to subscribe to some?

>>10019972
>>10020070
I don't think anyone brought their A-game in costumes (or photographers) as it wasn't sounding like much

>>10020198
Didn't one person have to cough up the entire sum for atleast 4 first then you have to figure out the rest of the payments amongst your group?

>>10020240
I am thinking of The American Book Center if you want to buy an edition, subscription: I don't know.

>>10020071
I don't care about others people pictures, but I sure do care about my own lol

>>10017179 1/2
I don't agree entirely with >>10017195. I feel this is only big city mindset here, not Dutch in general. I'm from smaller towns and cities and here it's cool to look or be different. People are also direct. You're weird, you'll be told so. But it's fine to be weird, not necessarily an offence. It's no more than a notion. Sonetimes positive, sometimes negative, but often just simple something they noticed and don't care about.

That being said, you do you and Dutch freedom goes many ways. You're allowed to be weird, and think someone is weird. You're allowed to have negative opinions as well, they are opinions and it's up to you if you care or not. Generally people don't care. Also, some people here will only give opinions when asked or between friends (including opinions about strangers), unless you're bothersome or they want to compliment. Because in the end, why would their opinion even matter to a stranger? So why tell you unless you ask? Others will give it no matter what, and are extra direct compared to big cities because opinions shouldn't matter on such things and they are as free to have them as you are free to like weird stuff. If you're offended, it's a simply don't be offended kinda mindset. Like, you're the one caring for a strangers opinion after all.

Really, it's a big you do you on all places I lived. I hate big cities because people are so busy with judging others and caring what others think. I think smaller places are much more relaxed. You can break laws here and as long as it bothers no one but yourself no one cares because it's your life, not theirs. Calling cops for something simple that bothers no one is considered much better. Ofcourse, bother no one else is important here. And friends who worry will still try to help each you ofc.


Now,religious places are another story (and often small). But they tend to be very stricked on the norm.

>>10017179 2/2
That being said. We all have opinions. In the end they might not matter, but just like everywhere, you'll be judged. Some might like it, others hate it. I personally like good cosplay, but dress for the body you have. Indeed, that one goes more ways as other anon said.

Also not most conventions are in bigger cities so you will see that behaviour the most with normie around cons. But there are often enough people from smaller places around who will not think that way, and cons always being there means you will run into them as well. So just know both types exist here, and both interact a bit different.

>>10020318
I meant to say most are in bigger cities, so you'll see that more. Might be more typos as I'm on phone in a hurry, but that one seemed important to note.

>>10018808
All of these sound shit, with DCC being a bit less shit.

>>10020195
Hotels are always fucking expensive, for abunai I just stay at a nearby campsite and it only costs me like 30 bucks for the whole weekend.

>>10020195
Animecon still has early bird weekend tickets for sale, just 57 euro´s.

And in 2019 they will open on friday at 12.00 and close on sunday at 20.00, So that´s just slightly more than a euro per hour.

DCC will cost 2.5 euros per hour, and that is if can get in at 10 and don´t leave before 6.

>>10021139
Except for it's not a good alternative for the hotel. If you're cosplaying and want to change inbetween of if you're not wearing the easiest costume it's pretty shit. I've tried alternative sleeping in the scouting building during animecon and that was just do-able.

>>10020263
I don't see any Japanese magazines there

>>10021503
Hmm.. have you asked at the counter if they can order it for you? I thought they did offer it, but I can be wrong. Of course, things can change over time...

How about air bnb? It does offer cheap places to sleep.

>>10021576
AirBNB is cheap but availability greatly varies per town. For Animecon it shouldn't be too hard to find something in Rotterdam, but for Abunai in Veldhoven there only were a couple of listings.

>>10021151
57 euro but no hotel... Viencon was 115 and thats including ticket and place to stay. I live animecon and im going, dont get me wrong. And Rdam is a better location for me than the Hague. But Viencon has the better deal. But I hear Viencon is gonna be more expensive next year. Im gonna guess 130 euros. Still cheap though.

>>10021151
I think what was meant was, total price (stay and ticket). Whats the per hour thing?

>>10022688
This is indeed true. What I think you should also take into consideration is the fact that you have to leave your cottage at Monday morning at Viencon, meaning you get to spend Sunday evening at the convention as well. I'm not sure if the con part is open during Sunday evening, but I do remember the pool being open for cosplayers that evening.

>>10014100
They are both shit.

>>10021151
>>10022688
You can make your stay at conventions as expensive as you want. Fancy 5 star hotels, cheap hostels, sharing an AirBNB or simply sleeping at home are all possible.

But honestly, it's not a matter of value per hour but what people look for in a convention. Each convention offers a different experience that appeals to different people. Some want content, some want to browse lots of dealer stands and others just want an excuse to spend their weekend getting drunk and dancing at Deshima Sounds. To the last group Viencon would be a better con than say Abunai, but to the first group this would be the reverse. Because of this there is no universal best con or bang for buck making this whole cost comparison a bit pointless.

>>10022849
Not really. One took a break after crying on instagram live while the other is still going strong imo. Care to elaborate?

>>10022849
Feeling bad cuz your photos look shit? Devon indeed had a cry session on insta. But robin is getting better by the day, really loving his work!

>>10022884
Weren't Zerkon and Crao in the same kinda shit now that I think about it?

>>10022862
Just because he isn't crying doesn't mean his photos are good.

>>10022889
What do you mean with ''the same kinda shit''?

>>10022945
Them being depressed that their pics aren't good enough.

>>10022954
I think zerkon got depressed after reading here that his photos are shit.

>>10022968
Please be joking, there's no point in getting depressed over some random person on the internet not liking your work. That is unless you made yourself believe you're hot shit and realised how hard you've been playing yourself.

>>10022852
Viencon is getting more stuff in this time, including a japanese Matsuri. Dealers and more events.

>>10022982
>Viencon is getting more stuff in this time, including a japanese Matsuri. Dealers and more events.
They better, especially now that they've got competent people handling the events.

>>10022954
>>10022968
For real though he keeps posting on his stories about his work not being good enough literally whenever he gets mentioned on here. Lately he uploaded a few new photos with his "new editing techniques" but to be fair I don't see a difference and it's still the same ugly shit?

Devon on the other hand had a full-blown cry session on Instagram about how his mom sold his camera and whatnot. Something about financial problems, yet he keeps sitting on his ass with his low uitkering. It's so incredibly embarrassing.

>>10022990
Lol i thought i was the only one not seeing any difference. To me his new editing photos still look exactly the same.

>>10022990
I had spoken to Zerkon over this. He actually never saw his work as really good. He sorta saw these posts as a wake up call to actually improve his work more. It actaully made him really motivated to get better. He still got a long way to go and he knows it well. I mean honestly if you see his latstest posts, you can see kinda an improving I guess.

>>10023005
You do? I see no difference.

>>10023005
I literally see no difference in his "improved" techniques. It still looks like the same shitty work to me. I'm glad I'm not the only one lmao

>>10022954
who isn't depressed with this cold fucking weather tho

>>10021505
I could go back there and ask, but they did not have a single Japanese magazine there so I doubt that they would order 1 just for me.

Didn't there used to be a Japanese book store in the Netherlands?

>>10023107
I guess that one is/was in Amstelveen?

>>10023108
I guess it's gone now.

Have any of you tried ordering through amazon japan? I can't get past checkout...

>>10023128
The one in Amstelveen/Amsterdam is gone.

I have bought various items on Amazon Japan, however I send my items to a Japanese address. I also know people who send their items overseas through Amazon Japan, but not all items are eligible for that.

>>10023005
Maybe he should try working with other photographers and see what they do differently from him. Instead of getting stuck in the same cycle of only seeing and looking back on your own work? You can learn a lot and improve with a "fresh pair of eyes"

>>10023844
Heard that he is actually doing so already. I think he indeed saw the messages here as a so called "wake up call" that he isn't as good as he thought.

>>10023844
>>10024019
Well I hope for him he gets to improve then. A lot of people just want to improve and get better without putting any actual effort in it. Improving takes time but many don't wanna take that time.

>>10024130
and a talented eye
Some people just don't get better with time and effort.

>>10022852
I think this sums it up pretty nicely.
Viencon is great if you want a weekend hanging out with friends, and meeting some other people you usually see only at conventions.
AnimeCon is great if you want to completely dive into it all, and especially on cosplay and content no other event comes remotely close. Of course, it costs more, but content to price ratio, they are probably the cheapest out there. But that applies only if you make use of the program.
Then, of course, there are the comic cons, which is just a great concept. You create a market and charge on all sides:
Charge the dealers, charge the visitors and charge for everything they can on the inside. Pretty neat.

But in general, our conventions are ridiculously cheap anyway. If you compare it with, for instance, MCM London, you pay more than an AnimeCon ticket, and all you get is a glorified DCC. Not even talking about the prices for food and drinks

And if you compare it with events in other branches, You basically pay twice as much for something similar, at least.

which con feels the most like a 2001-2006 con

>>10025304
Unfortunately animecon also attracts a lot of people wo just want attention by showing their boobs. Had a lot of moments where someone with a full home made armor got neglected because some chick was showing off her front side.

>>10025641
You’re saying this as if there is something wrong with that?

>>10025665
Yes, there are 3 things wrong with that:
1: real effort doesn't get the recognition it deserves.
2: it becomes one big competition who has the biggest tits, this ruins the atmosphere.
3: the attention these women get makes them super arrogant and annoying.

>>10025668
How does who got the biggest tits competition ruin the atmosphere? If anything it only adds to the atmosphere! Salty because yours are flat?

>>10025641
I am not a fan of armour. I am more of a show boobs kinda cosplay person

>>10025641
>>10025668
>>10025676
>>10025677
If the armour or elaborate cosplay is good enough, it'll totally eclipse all the boob-cosplays. I've had it happen before. All photographers suddenly went for the armour instead of bikini cosplayers. The looks of disappointment on their faces were sweeeeet.

That said, it needs to be good enough. If your armour is handmade but looks it, don't expect photographers to ditch eyecandy for paper mache looking armour.

>>10025687
I feel like thats what is ussually the case. That you have spend months at home working with foam does not mean it automaticly looks good. You can hate on the photographers for going for the tits. But its true if the cosplay is really good there is no tits in the world that can take the attention off from it. But yeah like always people got to find a reason for something other then maybe they just need to improve their own work.

>>10025676
Different anon, but anyway a competition like that would just be boring and I guess boring things do ruin atmospheres..

>>10025863
I'm still not agreeing. Tits are never boring!

>>10025870
They are if you're gay....
But thats not the point. First and foremost cosplay should be for everyone without always making a competition out of it, when you do make a competition out of it, it should be a competition of skill and not a competition of tits.

>>10026611
Why should it be of skill? Who decides this, is that a law? Its just your opinion. Maybe others find it should be indeed about tits. There is no law what cosplay should and shouldn’t be. Its like that same old story about buying vs making cosplay. It should not matter. If a photographer decides he/she rather go for tits than handcrafted armour that should not matter. Cosplay com is supposed to be this open minded people but if you like tits then suddenly you’re a bad person?

>>10026709
Uh...cosplay competitions are like art competitions. Because...it's art? Generally, the competitions are composed of crafting skill, acting, props and stage presence.
For what you want, you're better off at pageants and miss universe kind of 'catwalks'. Or wet t-shirt competitions... But what you're looking for is not to be found in a cosplay competition.

The problem with the current coscom is that you are forced to be open minded tbqf

>>10026724
Yeah really. I hate out of character cosplays/shoots (lewd kanna) people cosplaying their favorite character, but then chosing to do the most underdressed version (saeko in just a thong and apron) or random armored blank or casual cosplay where nothing is the color or style the character would wear

>>10026730
But if you voice your opinion, you'll get attacked. Cosplay is for everyone! Yeah by everyone I mean no matter what sex, religion, skincolor, disability etc. Things people don't choose for. Not for those who choose to be thots, choose to cosplay popular characters to get attention, who try to get famous by spamming their pictures everywhere.

wow. The usual salty sexy vs armor discussion. This is a never dying concept because people dont understand since cosplay has grown so big there isnt just a single demographic in the cosplay scene ( never was to start with but still .)

You have the cosplay as in armor, crafting, photo and video, competitions etc. which is a small section ( and the salty armor people think this is somehow the biggest in cosplay scene as a whole )which actually "work" and are active in this scene. Cosplayers and photographers.

You have the visitors, fans etc who like the cosplay scene for these type of people and go to their booths, cosplay themself ( the noob first bought cosplay of hatsune miku .) and go crazy when seeing those stage costumes for example at Blizzcon.

Then you got the biggest group which are the pervy girls and guys online and on cons that come for the simple "sex sells" part. Those in it know there is money, attention and growth regarding social media and financial gain. Simply because it is true. The fact you hating on 'thots' because they dominate that market is stupid because you are not on that market yourself if you are cosplayer who crafts, does competitions etc.

If you are 'regular/pro' cosplayer why would you want the attention etc from the 'sexy/thot' demographic? You just attract different type of people. I wonder if there is a cosplayer/person who is a cosplayer that can explain why you want the thot fans? perhaps >>10025641
>>10025668

>>10027118
I wouldn't want those people because I have a lot of fights with them. They're used to showing their tits and have everyone serve them on their knees, when exposed long enough to this they become freaking arrogant.
This becomes problematic when you're a gopher and they need you to do a favor, they expect me to also serve them on their knees, but since I'm not doing that, they start scolding me and calling me names etc. The love live ladies are the worst in this regard. My girlfriend doesn't have this problem since they don't expect her to fall for their boobs, but they do expect this from me and that becomes nasty pretty quickly.

>>10027124
Oh god, the Love Live girls are absolutely the worst. They're such keyboard warriors too. I remember all those dance groups bitching and crying about Tomo's stage and wanting to start to ''boycot'' them. People put their on their facts and never heard anything about it afterwards. Such crybabies who think they can become some sort of uwu aidoru while they're all chicks who can't dance to safe their life.

>>10027180
who are these love live girls? pics?

>>10027332
Literally every love live girl with an exception to a few that are just there because they like the cosplays/characters and try not to be a part of the community that much.

>>10026722
I think people are overestimating cosplay in terms of value in this regard. I mean fair enough, makeup artists are makeup artists. But generally cosplay doesn't really feel all that creative as it's mainly just referencing what's been made before. You just continue upon what somebody else did. So imo it falls a bit short to be compared to something that is purely generative.
Although I can get into the fact that competitions are like art as theatre/dance are.
Like it has many creative aspects, sure. But in the end we're mainly just copying anime waifu created by somebody else

>>10027429
What about OCs then?

>>10018097
>thinking any of these still post on the thread
This is like thinking you can summon leprechauns without making references to armour.

>>10018527
Ay

>>10026722
>acting
>>>>>>>>>>
I think there's about 1 in 10 acts that isn't lackluster on almost half of the things it's trying to do. Besides that I do agree with you, cosplaying takes a massive amount of skill and work.

>>10027429
The gist is not that you're referencing something, it's about the fact you're bringing something to life. You're connecting artwork (if we want to call weebshit anything like that) to reality by creating costumes, immersive settings, and anything akin to it.

And because in that translation of fiction to reality you have lots of leeway for artistic direction etc I'd say it's decently artsy.

As an actor with only a bit of background in the coscom, I'm not sure if I'd call the acts something mediocore in the theatre departement. Though, art is in the eye of the beholder. If they say it's art, then it is.

i just cosplay because it's fun and I like the characters

>>10027909
How dare you, you absolute love-life. Cosplay is not for fun, it's for a false sense of superiority and to harbour an everlooming fear of failure and deadlines!

>>10027124
Please don’t get me started about gophers because if there is one group at cons who are really horrible its gophers. With their smug faces thinking their above the rest all horny from their authority. Every single con once i enter the building and i see them i really look away because their faces just makes me puke. No you did not achieve anything and no you’re not better than the rest. In fact you might be even worse than the rest. All you did was sign up and work your ass off unpaid. When i see a gopher all I think is, haha another idiot who is slaving all day for a free con ticket.

>>10027992
Nice bait buddy, I've never been a gopher myself but your comment on them makes me puke, stop stereotyping every gopher just because you had a bad experience with one of them on some 5 euro con and actually sign up to a con and see how hard of a work it is.
Lots of these guys actually do it to help out the convention and are passionate about their role in helping out.
Sure there are some of them just doing it for a free con ticket but surely not all.
You got me whiteknighting boy, that's how cancerous your post was.

>>10027180

I went to one of their meetings to take pictures. Almost none of them thanked me for the pictures I took. I admit that they weren't great, but seeing the conditions I had to shoot in they could have said thanks.

>>10028000
Yes and your behaviour only confirms what type of people gopher. The whiteknighting im better than everyone person. Too dumb to see cons are just using you as free labour. Sure you’re doing it for the love, but its also possible without that im above you additude at cons. Sure caling all love livers the same is oke but when someone steps on your little gopher dick you’re all feelings hurt.

>>10027897
>I think there's about 1 in 10 acts that isn't lackluster on almost half of the things it's trying to do. Besides that I do agree with you, cosplaying takes a massive amount of skill and work.

God don't get me started on the bad voice acting as well. I would love more theatrics in cosplay that doesn't suck arse.

>>10028012
then lets start a con without gophers!
Oh wait we already got one...

>>10028081
Which is?

>>10027118
They want the thot fans because they also want a lot of attention and love being in the spotlight

Anyone going to Guildgames: The failure Part 2? I think it's somewhere in december. They're promising an even bigger cosplay contest now.

>>10027992
As organizer, I can really tell we can do without you, not without gophers. So please stay away from conventions, thanks.

>>10027429
It takes more effort to translate and make an existing design, than to make an original costume. Because if something doesn't work out you can change it, while with cosplay you stick to the reference material

>>10028231
Offcourse you can't do without gophers. Free employee's. But saying you can do without the visitors (because thats what I am)?? That's like the dumbest thing I ever heard!

>>10028264
Technically it's easier to make an OC, sure. But it's gonna take a hell of a lot work to make an interesting OC before you touch the sewing machine. The definition of OC generally seems to be just pulling on your fav wig + some random bits n pieces from other cosplays. Add smokey eyeshadow and bam there's your OC.

>>10028329
No, stop placing words in my mouth.
We can do without you, a stuck up, never worked a moment for anybody else in his/her life diva. Visitors are needed, you as a single person can stay away. Really, divas are generally more of a nuisance than the money the ring. And if all visitors would be like that, do you think we would organize anything?

But you seem to be a lost cause anyway, if you think gophers, or volunteers, are just free employees. If you don't understand what drives a convention, from staff to gopher l, volunteers and all others adding to it in their spare time, then you seem to missing something totally else, and that is something to be pitied.

>>10028099
tomoparty it s literaly only the tomo core staff

>>10028886
Tomo and it's volunteers are shit anyway.

Cosplayclues is dead

>>10029112
Nah, ClueyBankruptcy is just their latest product announcement.

>>10029112
>Cosplayclues
Who?

>>10029112
They said they need stability on facebook. It's still pretty vague for me why they stopped doing it. I thought it went well with their shop from what I've heard.

>>10028923
then our opinions differ,
I think the team is pretty motivated but they try to do too much with too little people. They have a chronic shortage of personnel and I don't see them fix it anytime soon given the negative attention they get all the time.

>>10028115
I just looked up their contest and saw that 1st and 2nd place both contain coupons for Cosplayclues. I wonder how they will fill that up.

>>10029606
I once volunteered for them. I got no breaks and had to stand in the sun all day. Half of their gophers didnt do shit and the other half was treated like shit. Those good intentions are nowhere to be found nowadays.

>>10028231
It's probably J or his girlfriend, so I reckon he will be there if they are booked.

>>10029824
I gophered twice for them. Had to do the ticket scan the first time and the second time was in the gameroom at Tomo Amsterdam. It was ok, but very busy. But for Amsterdam the arranged an hotel room, food during the day and afterwards we all went to a "shoarma tent". So for me it was ok.
But I know what you mean about the amount of gophers. The team during tomocon was only 6 persons. That's a bit too less in my opinion for 2000 (?) visitors...?

>>10029793
Huh yeah you're right, well cosplayclues will close shop end of november so those coupons will not be valid. They'll need to find a new sponsor.

So how's that Tweakers event? Anyone got an update on how their cosplay competition went or who won?

>>10031706
Here are the entries for the Tweakers cosplay competition. Jury prize of WoW Special Edition went to Delightify Cosplay as Brigitte from Overwatch. Third place, €100, went to Apocalypse Cosplay with Athena from Borderlands 2. Second place, €300, to Clueless Cosplay with male & female V from Cyberpunk 2077. First place of €600 went to Willow Creative with her Lightning Tracer from Overwatch. Here's a video of the entire competition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kptCaBM_PcU

Overall, the con was pretty meh, pretty small, not that many cosplayers on the floor, not that much tech stuff, a lot of gaming competitions without casters, so they weren't very interesting to watch. Overall it was enjoyable, but spending an entire day there was a bit too long, causing boredom and hard to keep finding stuff to do if you didn't have access to the LAN party. Still, for a first time con by Tweakers, it was pretty decent. They were hilariously underprepared for cosplay though, they didn't even have any form of propcheck or any cosplay rules for that matter. Anyway, here's a short video showing some stuff at the con: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73R3qatnPAc

>>10031743
Realized I forgot the picture.

>>10031706
>>10031743
There are some mixed feelings about Tweakers Gaming Live event. The event as a visitor: incredibly poor. Cosplay outside of the competition is non-existent. Entertainment pretty much non-existent as well. It was like Firstlook except a lot tinier, and a LAN event stuck on to it. Firstlook minus the cosplay and shops that is.

The cosplay competition had quite big money prizes so it attracted some hefty costumes. The competition in it self went quite smooth, communication clear and matters well arranged. A small delay in judging, not too bad because we were waiting in comfort, all though I think the comfort was created by participants and cosplay helpers though.
Judging was a bit of a joke. I felt they decided on their winners based on first impressions rather than actually taking a look at people’s work.

Will I go if there is a repeat? If I have a contest winning costume, yes. Otherwise not worth my money.

>>10032001

> It was like Firstlook except a lot tinier
I actually had quite some fun mainly because of the lack of visitors, since I didn't need to stand in line for over an hour every time I wanted to try a game.

the event does have some potential, they should add a market, with that they can use the income from dealers to bring more entertainment since 1/3rd of the space wasn't really used.

>>10032585
There were no dealers because the event was quite quickly set up, and in order to attract dealers you need to convince them that there will be enough customers to make it worth their attendance. Any future event will probably have a market.
Pretty sure firstlook next year will either be gone or just as small. I remember 2017 was already laughably small

>>10032001
For cosplayers didn't they have to deliver WIP before the event? Maybe they already figured out a couple potentials before the actual judging started.

>>10031743
>>10031842
Damn those are some pretty good and talented looking cosplayers. I wonder why we don't hear about them more often or am I just living underneath a rock??

>>10032691
Uhh there were big names, you don't recognize any? Ilunaneko, levylike, lucidbelle, sammyscosplay, willow creative, dutch dovahkin, tomvdcr (non stop props), apocalypse cosplay and the newly arrival delightifycosplay are probably some of the biggest ones.

>>10032691
Some of them are not as active, but most of them are names that have been around for a while.
1000 euros prize money does tend to atract people with skill.

>>10032691
>>10032712
Yep, money brings all the people to the yard.

>>10032697
Of all of those I only recognize Ilunaneko, Sammy & Willow Creative. I really like Ilunaneko and Willow, Sammy I don't really care much for. The others seem pretty cool and I'll definitely check them out. It's time for cosplayers with decent skill.

So who else saw these marvel cosplayers in the newspapers trying to sell themselves over stan lee's death?

>>10034272
I think most people did... talking about bad taste.

>>10034272
>>10034277
One man's death is another cosplayer's bread amiright

>>10034272
I did and like most I too found it highly disrespectful to sell yourself like this over ones death. From what I've heard they contacted Metro themselves for this article, something which doesn't surprise me at all from these two. One is an ancient relic who desperately clings onto what little relevancy she has left, the other is a nobody who pretends to be an important figure in the community.

Link to the article for those who missed it: https://www.metronieuws.nl/in-het-nieuws/2018/11/overlijden-stan-lee-dat-was-wel-even-huilen

>>10034286
At least it shows their true colours.

People want attention and money, that is unheard of!

>>10034500
People talking about people with no shame, that is unheard of!

>>10034293
I agree this is plain attention whoring, adding their pages and even starting a condoleance register and commemoration at dutch comic con.

Also couldn't said relic get a better picture for the article? Hela shows how haggard her face is.

It seems the whales in our community have been swimming in some extra salty waters lately. They even manage to drag some of their ass-kissing photographers with them.

>>10035147
What are you talking about?

>>10035147
Can you be even more vague??

>>10035147


The one swimming in salty waters seems to be you tho, who hurt your feefees?

Chubby girl maid café would be cute

Who are the DCC cosplay guests?
Are there any?

>>10036030
I know the cosplay judges are 2 people from Italy (@daisy_cosplay and @imrielcosplay) and @naythero
Haven't seen any other announcements but i know some international cosplayers such as bakka cosplay and ali cosplay and props are coming too (not sure if theyre guests/booth or just visitors)

>>10036007
No

Does anyone know where to buy warm (preferably wool) white, ivory or cream tights? I kind of need them before Monday so I don't want to order online

Miss Smirk/Dutch Cosmunity has been mentioned a few times now and I really just, want to add some oil to the fire. Im getting sick of her.

-The goddamn failure of her anti bulli cosplay calendar kickstarter earlier this year.
-Apparently she wanted to be part of the official DCC team, didn't get trough and then started a petition so people could sign their support for her.
-She still pretends to be part of DCC in a very shady way. She was recruiting cosplayers for her Cosmunity booth, and started her pitch talk to them with 'hey do you want to be a cosplay guest for DCC?' Which is a fckin lie, they are cosslaves for her stand. Not a guest for fucks sake.
-The recruited cosplayers for said stand are barely credited.
-The aforementioned stan lee condoleance register.
-the photoshoots she organized at the end of the days, when you visit the event page it seems like its officially for and from DCC. it is not.
-Now she also has a cosplay repair point, and she got pissed how there is already others. Organized by actual cosplay supply stores, not people who barely make their own cosplay stuff themselves.
-just the fact she gets pissy or goes in denial when she finds out people talk about her. Or speak up about her attention whoring in her face.

I probably missed things but whatever. I dont give a shit about costhots or attention whores. I however get really pissy about people who pretend to be important while they arent. Promise all kinds of perks to unknowing people and claiming to be some sort of all holy anti bulli cosplay community.

>>10036258
I am so done with the plz no bulli owo mentality.

Back in my days you had a choice. Grow a spine and stop being a baby or shut up and be a silent baby.

>>10036267
bullying is part of how animals and people work. It creates 'sociale controle' in this community, just straight up giving someone feedback or constructive criticism doesn't land well in this particular community where everyone seems to be a social outcast.

>>10036267
owo not everyone can be a kanjer tijger except for my fursona

>>10036258
That charity calendar idea of hers was nothing but a classic pyramid scheme scam. Cosplayers had to pay her to be on that calendar and this alone would cover the entire costs of production and shipping of the calendar. Next everyone on the calendar would receive 5 copies for “free” which they could sell to family and friends to break even or make a small profit themselves. At no point would she had been in any financial risk and even with the astronomically small cut for charity, a charity which by the way wasn’t even aware of her plans despite her claiming otherwise, she could had easily ended up with a 4-figure profit. It's also worth mentioning she didn't even had a designer for the calendar and expected some volunteer to design 365 pages + a cover for free as "it's a charity project".

In my personal opinion that girl is only out to make herself look important and will do anything to make others believe she is. As a person she claims to do everything for the good of the community yet has has zero integrity and no issues with blatantly lying to people as she did to the “DCC” cosplay guests she invited. She can't handle any competition in the same field as her and will try to have them removed out of spite. When confronted by constructive criticism she refuses to listen and stubbornly goes on with her plans, only to blame others for not supporting her when her plans inevitably fail. Even after her blatant lies get exposed to the public she’ll stick to her story and complain some more about how mean some people are. Personally, I find that to be her worst trait especially considering she sees herself as some PR superstar while in reality her PR skills are at the same level as Fandom Weekend.

I'm glad DCC turned her down for a staff position you know? Power hungry people like her are the last you can trust with a position of power as has been proven in the past time and again.

I love how that Rekindle movie project is trying to get propmakers trough cosplayclues, but the name of the project is left out of the original post.

Says enough doesn't it.

First go of Rekindle was a hot mess. Second go they are trying to trick everybody to work for the oh so sought after valuable currency of exposure.

At first it made me kinda sad that Wickedwigs only sponsored costhots, but then I realised that no self-respecting cosplayer want to be seen in a wig of theirs.

>>10036799
But anon, they aren't just offering you exposure, they are offering you 12 exposure. That's like, 2 times more exposure than 6 exposure! Just think of all the cool stuff you can do with that amount of exposure, so many possibilities you are passing on for not wanting to be paid in exposure.

>>10036701
Oh damn I know the director. I guess his band isn't doing well enough and tries to make money elsewhere.

>>10036906
lmao, they came knocking on various cosplayers' and propmaker's doors, only to be sent away with a 'if you're not paying, we're not making it.'

turns out they didn't even know what they wanted in the first place.

>>10036823
Is Wickedwigs really that bad? I mean, I agree some of their wigs look kind of questionable in quality and especially their lacefronts look a bit,, eh, but on the other side, their Instagram features a few posts where their wigs can look pretty nice.

Coming from someone who has never ordered from them before, by the way. I stick to Coscraft and Kasou most of the time. I do see Wickedwigs pop up every now and then so I got curious.

>>10037113
I feel like their wigs are way overpriced for how thin they look. Never owned or tried a wickedwig though

>>10037113
The wigs look great on fluffy girl, But when the owner tries them in herself it ALWAYS looks so shit. She is her own anti-advertisement.

I have 1 wig by them. Quite nice, quite expensive. Overall quality? Can’t judge. Overall price; expensive

>>10036258
Except for the calendar, i thought you were talking about someone else

>>10037467
Meanwhile I'm just waiting here for a plus size cosplayer to look up to. Fluffy is damn good looking, but then she's basically a costhot. Just think it would be nice to see good cosplays coming from a person that isn't size 36/38. The only dutch one that I can think of is mmmc royal icing.

>>10037113
I know someone who asked them for a commission, but it looked like shit. The styling was done so poorly, what a waste of money.

>>10037510
Why would you need a plus-size cosplayer to look up to? Their craft is the same as any other cosplayer, but without the 'im plus-size so people are mean to me but im keeping my confident attitude' whining.

Long ago Miss Smirk contacted me to do a photoshoot for her and I was like sure lets do it. After a few weeks of not hearing from her I asked if the shoot was still going to happen, as to her reply was yes there are multiple photographers in the running for her shoot and she will decide soon who the winner will be. She obvbiously did not tell me this when she asked me in the first place and I never asked to be in some kind of who gets to shoot miss smirk competition. This girl has some real issues and she is only after trying to look important or even worse actually thinks she is!

>>10037651
Got more? That's hilarious.

>Want to do a photoshoot
>Approach multiple photographers for this
>Maintain absolute radio silence for several weeks while I pick who will have the exclusive honour of shooting with me and my "man glasses"
Don't listen to deleted anon, he's just salty he didn't win my little competition!

>>10038380
What kind of shitty personal life does she have that she craves feeling important so much.

Different anon & serious question: why were the previous comments about Miss Smirk deleted? Did they violate any boardrules?

>>10038456
Most likely because it included her name, which could be a violation of board rule 2: 'Don't bring community vendettas onto this board. So going out individual cosplayers for the purpose of trolling them will not be tolerated.' depending on the active mods.

So I heard wannabe Loish has her own stand at DCC?

>>10038482

Maybe we should call her Discount Loish from now on

>>10038482
she always had?

>>10038482
Oh, she's still active? I haven't heard anything about her anymore I had no idea she was still relevant.

>>10038501
Discount Kamui, Discount Loish, Discount Leon Chiro. Sounds good.

>>10038482
I saw she is doing a book presentation at the cozy corner (program is online today)

>>10038456
its vendetta which is against the rules

>>10038521
Who is our discount leon chiro?

>>10038521
>>10038531
And who's our discount kamui? lol

>>10038535
Willow Creative

>>10038568
I think you mean Pretzl, she literally made a book om working with Worbla/foam as well

>>10038732
No it was a joke with Willow Creative being named in the 'actual talent in cosplay' thread and someone called her a discount kamui.
I do wonder who the discount leon chiro is... is it hakan?

>>10038883
I wonder as well. However I don't think it's Hakan. I thought he crafts most his props himself?

This thread has gone smooth and as such, has become worthless as a screw. Yeah, I'm really scraping the barrel of thread word puns here. Anyway, here's a new thread: >>10038932

The new thread got nuked from orbit after people broke /cgl/ rule number 2: "Don't bring community vendettas onto this board. Singling out individual cosplayers for the purposes of trolling them will not be tolerated."

A new thread (post-DCC edition) can be found at >>10043994