/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10833172
Their socks are still dope and I think they're evolving as their customers mature so I can't hate them for it. but I miss old IW

I really don't like pictures where the camera is on the ground pointing up, even with a good coord it looks unflattering and creepy

>>10832484
>>10832606
Genuine question but is there a way to respond to these kind of people in a way that doesn't enable their shitty negative behavior without making you the 'bad guy'? Or is the only option to grey rock them? I've met a few people like this over the years in my local comm who didn't show this side until we got closer and they dropped the formalities and I don't exactly know how to react now. What's worse is they always seem to be really social so they are pretty well because they keep that behavior in check with casual friendships, then turn into an entirely different kind of person when alone with me.
>one of them started talking shit about other comm members to boot

>>10833165
old school was not in the 2010s

I hate people who try to bring politics into lolita, or people who post lots of social justice woke shit, or the admittedly small but-still-there opposite that post conservative shit on their feeds. I just want to see cute fashion, not shit takes on society.

Related, I'm also fed up of fat lolitas complaining about everything. I feel empathetic to people struggling and TRYING to lose weight, or those with actual medical conditions, or I don't even mind if they accept they're fat without complaining, but the lack of self-responsibility in some of the fat lolitas I see is remarkable. I say this as someone who has gone from an obese BMI of 32 to BMI 19, stop blaming brands or other people for your problems.

Also, not sure if this will sound bad, but my worst experience with other lolitas has been with those with EDs (though I suppose the previously mentioned fat lolitas likely struggle with binge eating EDs), either rail-thin or used to be rail-thin but became the most vocal fat HAES advocates - stop blaming other people for your problems, it's not my fault or a brand's fault you have no concept of moderation, sorry. The mood fucking sucks when there is a skeleton lolita at a food or afternoon tea meet and they bring up starving after because they "ate too much", its happened more times than I'd like it to. A lolita meet isn't a pro-ana safe space nor is it a HAES fat acceptance safe space, just talk about normal things that won't make people you barely know other than having a similar sense of fashion uncomfortable.

>>10833172
I really miss their sweet leaning phase more than anything. Especially their prints.

It really depends on the jsk, but for some cuts, especially low waist, it actually looks more flattering to have a little bit of a bust than to be completely flat.

>>10831585
Confession: I hate people who buy a dress, wear it once or a small handful of times, then turn around and sell it and buy a new dress. It feels a lot like trend-hopping and like these people have no identity of their own, and thus no cohesive wardrobe. They just wear whatever is trendy at the moment, regardless of whether they actually like it or not. Ditto with people who buy the dress and never wear it before selling (not to be confused with scalpers who buy it to upsell for it).

>>10833189
Thank you, I needed this rant. I couldn't agree more, especially about the ED-Lolitas.
I also have to add trad wife Lolitas, they can be horrid if you encounter them

Don't ask Lolitas for dips on their dresses when they never showed interested in selling it. I can understand wanting a dreamdress real bad, but please just don't.

>>10833195
It's the shopping addiction. They don't get happy from wearing the fashion, they only get happy from the buying.

>>10833196
I'm fortunate to not have met any in my area, but definitely have seen them online, any lolita super into politics on either side is insufferable to me, I just want to see cute outfits. I've met a handful of openly ana-chan lolitas and they are the worst at meets, I'm sympathetic to their ED, but god I used to avoid one of them like the plague in my old comm because they used to constantly get triggered about food (I wish they got banned from food meets).

>>10833172
current IW is not interesting anymore. The problem I have is not with the length of the dresses (it's possible to do long length dresses well), it's the style. It's just so bland.

>>10833194
low waist? You mean dresses that have a waistline that sits on your waistline (aks "just waist")?

>>10833200
I used to have AN, I'm just trying to be healthy and normal now and I would hate if there were any vocal ana-chans at the meet making things uncomfortable for everyone. Granted I would feel almost just as uncomfortable if someone went on a HAES rant. Like, please don't talk about dieting, starving, health and weight when I'm eating.

>>10833203
no retard. low waist sits below your natural waist.

>>10833203
Yeah, sorry that was stupid from me

>>10833207
I know that's what it means, smooth brain, but loads of people get it wrong and call a normal waist a low waist when talking about dresses or a call a normal waist a high waist when it comes to skirts and jeans.
Low waisted dresses are so rare in lolita I was sure anon just got it wrong and was misnaming things.

>>10833208
no problem, and I tend to agree that it looks better to have some boobs than be completely flat because the bodice is much longer than the raised waist dresses we see so often.

>>10833209
>Low waisted dresses are so rare in lolita
no, they're not.

>>10833211
yes they are, salopettes aren't dresses so those don't count. Where are all these low waisted dresses by japanese brands? I'll wait, you can post them here.

>>10833212
Anon, you don't know what you're talking about.

>>10833216
I'm still waiting for all of those low waisted dresses by japanese brands.

>>10833212
NAYRT. On Lolibrary there are 5 pages worth of JSKs and OPs tagged 'dropped waist' from AP and Baby ALONE. That's without AtePie or AaTP or Meta or any other JP brand, and without skirts. I'm not saying it's the most common cut, or that it's not more of a mid-2000s lolita phenomenon, but asking "where are all the low waisted dresses" feels pretty silly.

>>10833218
no one is going to spoonfeed a newfag.

Lolita is kinda more chill with weight than other fashion, yeah even with brand. Yes you should be on the thinner side, but you don't need to have a flat stomach or highly visible collarbones. Look at y2k

>>10833068
The queen has returned!

>>10833218
Low waist is literally one of the tags on lolibrary and Victorian Maiden has lots of dresses with a dropped/low waist.
You are for sure a newfag or a sweetfag but either way please stop talking

>>10833219
>>10833220

Most of the results aren't even true low waist dresses, they are A-Line jsks without a horizontal waist seam (like btssb's Scallop Tartan Check jsk), still fitted at the waist and have a bunch of rows of ruffles for the lower skirt part. Or fitted at the waist dresses that have a horizontal seam at the bust. There's zero consistency with the tag. A true dropped waist isn't fitted at the natural waist. An example of an actual dropped waist dress is https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-cotton-frilled-doll-op

https://lolibrary.org/items/victorian-maiden-cotton-doll-low-waist-op

https://lolibrary.org/items/ap-jsk-23j-2072

https://lolibrary.org/items/aatp-ellise-jsk

This just boiled down to an argument about semantics and those are never fruitful so I'll exit through the front door with my fashion degree.

>>10833222
This. I used to wear lolita daily and never realised how forgiving it was until I started wearing other things. I've always been thin, but back when I never even exercised lolita hid pretty much everything I didn't like about my body. If you have a flabby stomach, upper arms, or big thighs etc. no one would ever know once you put on a full coord. Same with if you're extremely thin. So many anachan lolitas hide behind the layers and layers of clothing. There's a few A line dresses that require you to have a slim waist but most lolita is extremely forgiving weight wise. If you're tall, busty or if you have broad shoulders you'll have more of a problem, but I've seen plenty of slightly overweight short girls fit into brand just fine. Like you said, y2k and even egirl fashion is a lot less forgiving.

>>10833233
>fashion degree
enjoy working at mcdonalds forever.

>>10833250
I work at a museum that has a collection of antique and vintage garments. After I graduated I was lucky enough to have never had to take a minimum wage job. It sounds like you're one of those people who looks down on service jobs.. fuck you.

>>10833195
There's a bunch of reasons why someone would do this that has nothing to do with "trend-hopping", though. It kinda comes with the territory of having to buy pretty much everything online. You buy a dress online and once you get it, there's something about it you don't like in person - the colors are maybe different from the stock photo, the measurements are off, it doesn't fit like how you'd expect or looks weird once it's on your body, and so on. Isn't it better to sell it and use that money to get something that does actually fit and look better on you than just keep a dress you don't like around?

>>10833195
Buying online is a gamble, I don't hold it against anyone who got something only to realise it didn't sit right on them, was different than the pictures, the wrong size, or just not what they expected. Esp given how even AP is in the toilet lately quality wise.

I'm not actually sure how unpopular this opinion is, but I really don't like large, centred headbows. You know, the "staple" lolita hair accessory. Hairclip bows, rectangle headdresses, even those strange 2000s circle headdresses, they all just look cuter... IMO.

>>10833161
It's funny because as people have become more accepting and aware of fetishes, consent isn't catching up with it. I've had multiple conversations that go:
>i'm not comfortable with this.
>why?
>i don't like it and i want it to stop
>well, you shouldn't be like that. it's normal so you should be comfortable with it.
Kinksters love talking about consent, but they never fucking practice it. They never stop when somebody expresses that they don't want to be in it and on the same breath will sperg about comfortability and naturality. Fuck off. Constantly. This same interaction over and over when talking to kink people like a broken record because they literally cannot fathom living in a world without cooming
>just because someone fetishizes feminity doesn't mean they fetishize lolita, teehee! i'm so smart!
>you shouldn't be uncomfortable with someone making collages of you, they can't help it! you're kinkshaming!

>>10833184
I'm the anon with the friend. My relationship ended with her when my boyfriend who had been close friends with her for many years saw what a nasty, manipulative bitch she was in person.

He knew I didn't like her but he wanted to see her again and I agreed and said I'd be nice. I was as friendly and positive as I could possibly be with her and she was still a nasty, bitter cow and deliberately brought up an incident that she knew would upset me and trash talked one of my good friends who she'd never even met.

After we all went home she messaged my boyfriend and told him that I was a horrible person and she had no respect for me and a lot of other hypocritical garbage. He blocked her on everything but she messaged him on an old phone, he called her out on all her shit, she apologized but also made excuses, we haven't spoken to her since.

It's worth noting that we had almost no mutual friends left at this point because she had spread malicious lies about everyone and we all knew it so nobody even cared about this, a couple of people laughed when they found out. I'm not sure how to handle this with com members but chances are most people are aware of what she's like and probably don't like her anyway.

Sorry for the essay

>>10833068
>>10833224
I'm so happy,she looks great blonde too!!

>>10833268
They're called head eating bows and they've been polarizing forever.

>>10833272
It's availability bias...the bad actors are obviously the only ones you know are into kink. Most people follow community advice to practice consent above all, and you wouldn't know that because they keep it private.

>>10833279
The hair suits her so insanely well, I'm so happy she's back

I actually like to talk politics with other Lolitas, but only actual politics, not which book you're allowed to read or something.
Speaking of which:
Everybody should shut the fuck up about harry potter.
I don't fucking care, both sides really fucking sucks. Harry potter is your life ? Sounds like a real fucking sad life. Go Play slave simulator 2023 if apparently you're going to die if your not consuming HP stuff 24/7.
Rowling sucks ? Big news, most rich people really suck and have shit opinions. If she really wants to help woman, she should give a lot more money and not sit on her ass in a giant manor.
Also most potter heads have the worst coords, it always looks like fucking cosplay. I don't care if you are wearing a petti or if it's "brand". It looks like cosplay.

>>10833323
Rowling lost her billionaire status because she donated so much of it. IIRC she recently set up a women's charity with her own money

>>10833500
That's good to hear

>>10831789
Are there any lolita youtubers that still post regularly and aren't cringe?

>>10833745
dodo the extinct maybe, also tutu_anan, perhaps candice bear or eternally enchanted, but you're right because nearly all of the lolita youtube channels I am subscribed to are cringe in some way. I don't look at it from a pov of "are they cringe?" but "how cringe are they and what am I willing to put up with?". I unsubscribed to fluffy kawaii Jo because of (among other reasons) lethal levels of cringe. I'm barely holding onto my subscription of Ellie Vyra because she's approaching critical cringe levels as well. Btw I don't subscribe to lolita youtubers based on how much their style is like mine but rather if I think their content is either entertaining or informative (reviews, etc) in some way.

>>10833746
Thanks for the suggestions
I can put up with a certain amount of cringe so long as they aren't spouting retarded opinions about politics or anything going against the basic rules of lolita.
Also even though I'm really not a fan of sweet lolita I've come to terms with the fact that it is one of the most popular kinds so I'm okay with watching them so long as they are informative/entertaining.

>>10833753
if I were to stick with youtubers that were into gothic lolita or old school sweet I'd be subscribed to only a tiny few and all of the old school channels I am aware of are cringe. I really like many of ophelia's outfits (here come the haters) but her youtube is pretty bad. I can't even bear to watch the shorts sometimes. She likes to make content that looks like it was shot on a super old digital camera from the late 90s or early 2000s to trigger that nostalgia. It's a choice. Pure rae does have nice coords sometimes but she's too inexperienced to be confidently giving advice. I guess I am subscribed to all lolita youtubers except for taobao addicts. I don't feel the need to watch every lolita video that pops up in my subscriptions feed either. I add them to a lolita playlist and decide to remove them or watch them later. Dodo is the only youtuber lately I've consistently enjoyed content of. "OK bloomer" is also on my maybe unsubscribe list. I only get through her videos when I'm handsewing something, and even then I am guilty of skipping through the video.

I went on an extreme diet and exercise regimen over the past 3 years to be able lose 250 pounds to fit into my dream dress.

>>10835540
You lost 250lbs? That's amazing!