/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>10299842

There are a lot of reasons why and it is more complex than just price or quality because every japanese and taobao and indie brand is different.

If they're excited and happy about it why does it matter to you?

>>10299842
I don’t get it either.

>>10299842
News flash, some people are poor!

>>10299842
Everyone gets into lolita for different reasons. For me, I love the luxury of it. I don't care about price or status items, but I do care about the materials used. I want to feel different than I do in my normal clothes, it's like a little celebration of beautiful crafting. Since that is important to me, I don't buy taobao because what I've seen in person doesn't impress me as much. However, lots of people are in lolita for different reasons, like for the creativity or just to wear something weird, so taobao may be good enough to achieve that.

>>10299859
All this mental gimnastics to try to dodge some people are poor, do you think they don't want the fancy stuff instead?

>>10299787
Not chiffon. Polyester. It isn't as thick of fabric and folds small. You can squish them, they aren't that delicate. Depending on the fabric, it's less likely to wrinkle. Though organza this is definitely not true. I wish they would stop using it altogether.

>>10299815
>Though I wish they'd actually stick to the high quality poly and/or wouldn't slap such high price tags on something as mediocre as Fancy Noel.
Fancy Noel was made in Japan though.

>>10299850
>>10299862

I don't particularly like taobao and don't buy it but why does it bother others so much that people are happy with their taobao? Or why is it such a problem that people are poor (being poor doesn't preclude you from buying brand if you like secondhand and aren't picky though)?

>>10299818
Are Tokyo Bopper shoes still around!?

I want to get some

>>10299866

Nayrt and I haven't seen Fancy Noel irl but it can be made in Japan and still be bad. My biggest proboem with Fancy Noel is the artwork/print not seeming to match the material well enough even though it seems cute in photos where you can't tell how shiny the fabric is.

I don’t mind polyester, I just don’t want to wear dollar store tablecloths. Not all AP is that bad though.

>>10299818
Are Tokyo Bopper shoes still around!?

I want to get some No.922 in red/pink/grey/black

>>10299869
I percieve it as a weird flex on poorfags from her part 2bh. I get that they can get second hand brand, but I guess the same people buying tobao is people that just got into lolita and doesn't know how to look for those good pieces at fair price, and just sees tobao as their chance of getting a lolita piece without having to pay out the ass.

>>10299538
Why do US sellers think the only way to track a package internationally is with priority mail? The first class mail provides tracking to about 15 countries (mostly Western Europe and former British protectorates but that’s most overseas buyers). Or you can do first class mail anywhere in the world and make it registered for only an extra $16 which is not only tracked but kept under literal lock and key the entire way there. Of course it’s going to $50 for priority, you’re trying to ship it across the world in 3 days. Man, the USPS did a good marketing job convincing people that priority was the only way to mail things.

>>10299869
The whole notion of not being picky is retarded. Spending $100 on a secondhand dress you don’t really care for just because it’s brand is abominably stupid. If you’re really that poor just save up for a dream dress.

>>10299882
I said basic tracked moron, learn how to read.

>>10299842
You know, this gets asked every single thread. If you're really interested in knowing that, you should either ask people who own Chinese pieces or check past threads.

>>10299849
I'm just asking a question. I just want to know what the hype is. I'm not bothered, and I feel like the people who think I am are projecting. Not judging taobao-chans either.

>>10299850
I'm actually quite poor too but I just snagged a pretty decent aatp jsk for ¥3500 on fril. It's not one of their ugly ones, it's a nice solid piece. I see no reason why you can't buy second hand brand if you're buying taobao new. Worn Brand is often cheaper than new taobao if you're looking at fril.

>>10299859
That's a fair explanation.

It's more the people who have half-brand, half taobao wardrobes that confuse me. A newbie might not know better but I genuinely am baffled when it's girls who wear this a lot, like I do.

>>10299894
I see one reason though, they just don't know better. Not everyone knows how to find good deals and might go with the cheap easy option because that's what they know.

>>10299882
If you're mailing to Canada international first class is cheap. The UK is about $10 more and other countries are 2x as much as Canada

>>10299899
Or maybe because that's what they want.

I actually don't get people who say that they are in this fashion for high quality pieces. Lolita, specially nowadays, is still far from couture or high quality tailored pieces. If you're looking for quality above all, I'd suggest going to a Maison or a designer's showroom whatever to experience high quality clothes.

>>10299711
Yeah I hate the way it looks. I hate the way it drapes over the petticoat and you can see its shape. Cotton is stiffer and holds skirt fabric straighter when it’s poofed up by a petti

>>10299904
Well, you can't deny that the general lolita piece has a way above average level of attention to detail and maybe now not so much but at least back in the days, quality, offcourse I'm far from understanding just the basics, but to me quality is implied in a lolita piece, eventhough there are plenty of exceptions to this rule, it's still a main component of it. If not they wouldn't be trying to emulate quality.

>>10299812
>Chinese loita coords are more costumey
This is such a meme at this point. IDK where you guys look besides taobao and western social media, but no most lolitas on chinese social media actually dress really simply. Here are some recent posts from Weibo.

>>10299672
I'm distressed by how much nicer PC looks.

>>10299912

>>10299842
I don't buy a lot of taobao because the quality issues, but I can sort of answer this. I think a big part of it is a lot of taobao brands are releasing stuff in styles the major brands won't do.

Look at FunCcnio's Ragnarok series which is medieval viking lolita, or their Winter Rose series which is a mashup of guns, roses, and the fucking Winter Soldier. If you like military lolita or punk, then there's Your Highness, Foxtrot Lolita, and now LAERS releasing really cool looking stuff. Meanwhile if you stuck with brand, you'd have to wait for the occasional Meta set and hope it suited your taste.

Same for brands like Crucis Universal Tailor. Yeah, sometimes brands release things in a similar style. Mostly ETC and JM. But ETC runs small, both brands tend towards busier prints and less vintage-looking designs. And of course there's all the taobao brands that are releasing pretty qi and wa lolita pieces. And the brands releasing throwback oldschool style pieces. And so on.

Plus, you can't forget that taobao brands almost always offer different sizes, and many offer custom sizing. That adds hugely to the appeal.

>>10299914

>>10299842
I use taobao for filler, especially when it comes to accessories and such. Sometimes I get excited for certain prints but I'm still critical until I see it either irl or unshooped pictures.
>>10299850
>>10299862
You can definitely buy brand on a tight budget lmao it just takes more effort
>>10299866
Ayrt I have seen Fancy Noel irl and it's meh imo. But then again, maybe each perception varies. For example I disagree with >>10299765 about Fairy Snow Decoration, I don't think it's uncomfortable at all. I do wish the white velvet was a bit brighter(?) though, but it's still dreamy and cute to me.

>>10299920
>just takes more effort
and knowledge, and experience

>>10299912
Why would you show this shitty coord

>>10299914
God I love spinchen

>>10299884

I was referring to the super cheap under $100 pieces (like the occasional skirts that pop up for lile $50 for example) that could be coorded well but maybe aren't a lot of people's style.

And yeah people can budget and all and be poor and still be picky and have things they like at that $100 range. Just saying you don't have to buy taobao if you're poor so the anons claiming taobao is only for poor people aren't accurate.

I don't like taobao though and would rather save for secondhand Meta.

>>10299395
this is my money in 2020

>>10299873
What? That's not a quality issue then. The viyella they used is exactly the same quality they've used in the past. It's actually a really nice dress. It's comparable to Lucky Key.

>>10299920
Ayrt, and I own both. I'm not sure why you think Fancy Noel is meh, but the quality is there.
Fairy Snow Decoration however is labeled chiffon, yet feels like organza. Maybe it's mislabeled, but the amount of wrinkles on that thing straight out of the bag was worse than cotton. And more permanent. I never said it's not cute. I love the design, but that doesn't make the fabric high quality.

>>10299937
You only have enough money to buy one set?

>>10299635
Snags. Yeah you can tell what they meant because it's plural

>>10299684
I stopped buying meta because I hate that weight of poly. Flimsy but not airy

>>10299787
Chiffon is poofy because it's light and doesn't crush your petti. You are thinking of tulle sewn on linings, fuck tulle

>>10299945
I will buy 5 sets on the first day of release

>>10299395
AP!please have an ivory color way!

>>10299985

>>10299395
The bodice fits like a bag...

>>10299774
This reason just sounds like so much bullshit to me. I know space is an issue, but how come it wasn't an issue the first 10-15 years ap was making lolita dresses? Lolitas are also obsessed enough to just hang the dresses on the wall or make space some other way.

>>10299408

I honestly haven't met anyone who doesn't have some sort of stick up their arse about being poor and looked down on. Except art students, but that's a whole different category of poor.

I'm in favour of honesty, especially with lolita being spendy. I'll admit I'm old, middle class, and probably haven't been laughed at for not being to spend money on lunch, I guess.

>>10299842
Its good when youre first starting out because it allows you to buy enough blouses/socks/shoes/accessories to coord with and its IN STOCK. I've personally don't have much taobao, but if my whole wardrobe burned down I'd drop like $500 on those kinds of items so id be able to be able to wear it quickly. Then I would shop on the secondhand market for main pieces and eventual brand replacements for the taobao items i got. Occasionally there are a couple items that are nice enough to keep long term, but i just see it as a waste of space now that i have brand items that serve the same purpose in a coord.

>>10299842
For me I like Dear Celine blouses, especially for when it's hot out and I don't want to worry about sweating in a brand blouse. I also tend to only buy stuff that has a lot of review photos or from a taobao brand that I really trust, like Dear Celine that I mentioned before.

There's also some main pieces that I really like, such as Whale & Corsair that I just bought. I'm really picky with the main pieces that I pick up from taobao, though. Otherwise it's mainly for accessories like bows and berets, jewelry, stuff like that. Also shoes! I'm an LL in brand sizing, and I never like the styles that are still in stock on brand sites (and used shoes are kind of icky) so I just buy taobao shoes so I don't have to worry about them getting scuffed, and I can make sure they're the perfect size.

>>10300590

>mfw I I gave up on Dear Celine due to her blouses

She likes polyester way too much, and I live in the tropics, land of eternal summer. In fact, most of my dislike for polyester comes from taobao brands overusing it way, way more, way worse and in lower quality than AP ever did.

Switch to cotton/cutsews, they work much better than sweating in plastic.

>>10299611
AH! This is my dream bag. And the first time i see it outside of a stock picture.

>>10300667
Oh I live somewhere where it's usually cold, so as long as it LOOKS fine I'm usually good. I find that cutsews and cotton show sweat a lot more so I tend to avoid them when it does warm up. I love love love all my cotton stuff, but sweat isn't cute lmao. Super late reply and there's probably a new thread but oops.