/cgl/ - Cosplay & EGL

>>9140553

My first comment is just to say you will find a lot of ETC, JM, and so on because of the soft lolita/misako push. That's all, since people seemed very excited to find so much otome in the kajurori tag.

The one who brought up the lolicon killer was not me, but since it was a reply to me, I said that I thought the time was too long ago for that to be a factor. Otome brands spent thirty years making non lolita things after that. Basically I said I don't think the lolicon killings really factored into otome being non lolita by the time 2000s rolled around.

Then, the person replying said, "do you mean the lolicon killer happened when otome was on the rise". So of course I clarified that no, I actually said the lolicon killings happened too long ago to be a factor. Which is what I said in my first reply to the lolicon killings anyway.

Somewhere along the way the topic got a bit lost, with claiming Japanese lolitas said, Misako didn't invent soft lolita, ETC used to be accepted as lolita, info coming from Japanese lolitas by someone who doesn't speak Japanese, and so on. I mean, I thought I was only explaining why there would be a lot of otome in kajurori, but by the time we got to the fourth exchange now I'm clarifying as well I didn't say Misako invented it but she'd been doing for longer than her new book and has the most interest in pushing it, I have no idea what the Japanese lolitas are saying, ETC could not possibly have been acceptable on egl for at least the last decade because there was this one member who was very vocal about how much lolita differed from otome and commented a lot on it. I don't even know how far back you'd have to go to get to the era where ETC dresses can be lolita and not just a blanket "offbrands can be loliable".

Anyway, since we seem to be crossing so many wires, sorry for derailing the thread. Here's a cute 2009 Misako in Milk instead. I'm fine with this being casual lolita, though no idea if cgl agrees with me.