/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.7781297]

Is this the ultimate smart money coin?
I don't know if I should go long on EOS or Vechain.

[Anonymous No.7781396]

>>7781297
Eos is an extremely ambitious project, but the lead dev has already had two successful projects, has raised over a billion dollars so far, and has a working test net with most major features implemented, so I'd say it's the real deal. Ven is a hype coin that doesn't even have a white paper and keeps randomly broadening it's scope. No direction, no real product. Just a bunch of ideas and partnerships.

[Anonymous No.7781452]

>>7781396
I wouldn't write Vechain like that, like their partnerships aren't to be played around with and even DNV had a press conference to confirm it. Jim Breyer is also a investor/advisor and Vechain already has a private blockchain functioning for several business.

[Anonymous No.7781539]

>>7781452
I'm not saying it's a bad project, just that I'm far less confident that it will be around in the mid to long term since they haven't proven themselves yet

[Anonymous No.7781559]

What do y'all think about cardano? I'm impressed by the tech behind it more so than eos

[Anonymous No.7781564]

isnt KOMODO better?

[Anonymous No.7781589]

>>7781539
Well in the short term you can gamble on the rebrand. With the positive press behind it (compared to desperation behind rebrands like NANO) it ought to go well.

[Anonymous No.7781613]

>>7781559
>impressed by the tech
What tech?
It's a whitepaper...

[Anonymous No.7781625]

>>7781559
Cardano is slower and Haskell adoption will be very low. Academics in business usually dont so well.

[Anonymous No.7781630]

>>7781589
Cardano looks good but I like Dan Larimer and EOS has a strong dedicated team behind it (brock pierce putting down 1 billion) and with Bitfinex already planning on running on EOS is pretty huge.

[Anonymous No.7781766]

>>7781613
Another retarded /biz/ parrot, you are never going to make it if you dont DYOR

[Anonymous No.7782076]

>>7781559
Lol

[Anonymous No.7782089]

>>7781564

This, also
>tfw too lazy to research these coins so just rely on /biz/ propaganda

[Anonymous No.7782697]

EOS killer.

[Anonymous No.7782855]

>>7781559
The whole "scientific philosophy" thing reaks of pseudointellectualism. Ill admit i havent done a ton of research on ada because of all the surface things that turned me off, but i will say that as a software deceloper myself, no one actually uses haskell in real world projects. It's primarily an academic tool, and ada seems like an academic circle jerk. It reminds me if minix.

[Anonymous No.7782886]

>>7782697
Thats another chink pajeet scam lmfao, fuck off EOS thread.

[Anonymous No.7782938]

>>7782697
Dumped EOS, bought HPB.

[Anonymous No.7782968]

>>7782938
Lmfao fucking megaPAJEET faggot

[Anonymous No.7783098]

EOS is definitely a solid project, pretty much guaranteed 10x by EOY. If mainnet launches successfully with all the whitepaper features it’ll overtake Ethereum.

[Anonymous No.7783124]

>>7782968
> 10k TPS with software vs 1000k TPS software and hardware (HPB)
> 6500M vs 135M mcap
> Chad chinks working with UnionPay (bigger than VISA and MasterCard) and NEO
> Not even started marketing
Accumulating for a masternode, will be listed in the new whitepaper and was confirmed in telegram.
Quote me, fgt.

[Anonymous No.7783195]

>>7783124
>needing to accumulate to run a node
Cool scam bro

[Anonymous No.7784315]

EOS is my favorite project

[Anonymous No.7784362]

>>7781559
I don't know if you're trolling or not, but don't engage with EOS people on any other subjects than EOS, they're a bit cultish and not rational.

[Anonymous No.7784384]

Thanks for hpb, I'v been fuded a little.
What would you buy a year ago: eth or antshares? That's it imo.
Hpb must explode at least like eos already did imo.
And I don't think eos will be a strong competitor long for the others long term (2 years) but holding a little amount may worth it.

[Anonymous No.7784391]

Here comes the EOS redpill:

1. Will be faster than ETH will ever be (millions of tx/s)
2. Weiss ratings: EOS is *only* crypto to tie, and later SURPASS ETH.
3. $1B capital injection program for EOS projects.
4. ONE BILLION DOLLAR CAPITAL INJECTION PROGRAM FOR EOS PROJECTS.
5. No transaction fees.
6. Not vaporware. The testnet for devs has been out for months. Mainnet launches in June.
7. Can host Facebook on EOS.
8. EOS has partnered with big VC firms who will pick winning projects to fund.
9. Google co-founder Eric Schmidt has partnered with EOS through his VC firm TomorrowVentures. He provided a quote for an EOS press release.
10. GOOGLE CO-FOUNDER ERIC SCHMIDT IS PARTNERED WITH EOS.
11. Most VC funded EOS projects won’t do ICOs, they will airdrop to EOS token holders. Think of owning EOS as owning NASDAQ and receiving free stock in everything listed on it.
12. EOS tokens are real estate on the EOS blockchain. They give you access to EOS network bandwidth for dapps. You can rent your EOS out to devs for passive $, in addition to $ from EOS VC project token drops.
13. Real estate is better than fuel. You don’t burn it, you hold it for incredible gains.
14. Mike Novogratz (CEO of Galaxy Digital, former Goldman Sachs partner) & early investor in ETH, announced $325 million EOS fund. He sees potential in EOS over ETH.
15. Richard Jung, former CEO of Bithumb, joined Block.one to lead the Korean community.
16. EOS is the biggest thing in crypto since Bitcoin, and will probably flip Bitcoin and Ethereum.
17. Elite developers are excited about EOS. Much more so than any other platform. This includes Ethereum, Cardano, IOTA, Hashgraph, etc. EOS will crush all of them.
18. $100 - $1000 by 2018/2019

tl;dr EOS will probably brute force its way to the number 1 spot.

*Actually* screen shot this. It’s 2018 and /biz/ is still skeptical of and ignorant to the next big thing.

[Anonymous No.7784417]

too little too late, theyre trying to desperately buy themselves interest from developers, but thats never worked out for companies that try it, ultimately the devs have to go where the users are.

not to mention dan has abandoned every single one of his projects so far, no reason to see why he'd stick with this one for any longer.

[Anonymous No.7784506]

>>7781559
I think that if ada delivers 1/3 of what they promised they will rule. Is like my 4th biggest hold atm. I say buy 1k of it if
You can and let it rest, if you lose, you ll lose 1k if you make it, you ll be looking at high %returns

[Anonymous No.7784950]

>>7782697
HPB is borderline shit coin. Its too far behind in the smart contract platform of the future race. Just pure transaction speed is not enough, and even if it was, proving its secure and scalable takes years.

[Anonymous No.7784965]

>>7783124
HPB is borderline shit coin. Its too far behind in the smart contract platform of the future race. Just pure transaction speed is not enough, and even if it was, proving its secure and scalable takes years.

[Anonymous No.7785422]

Hi.

[Anonymous No.7785448]

Hey there.

[Anonymous No.7785585]

>>7785422
>dapp search engine
>solving a problem no one has

[Anonymous No.7785687]

>>7784417
STEEM and BitShares are successful self-sustaining DACs retard. Dan will build the Ethereum killer and keep adding to it out of ego. If he ever leaves EOS block.one will just have genius developers continue where Dan left off, and only if Dan approves of them. You need to understand that he has huge financial incentives to stay with block.one and has repeated this many times.

You’re spreading fud because you think you missed out. The good news is that you didn’t. It’s still VERY early.

[Anonymous No.7785689]

>>7785448
Yay, another zilbro!
Muh security & decentralization.

[Anonymous No.7785716]

>>7784506
Deliver what? 15 second block times while EOS delivers sub-second block times? Cardano is actually an EOS (DPoS) clone. Charles stole the idea from Dan. They used to work together. Bad news for Charles is that his academic disconnect and inability to be Dan will be his demise. c++ and wa are the future, not his hipster resource gobbling nonsense language. Gross.

[Anonymous No.7785721]

Even though Dan Larimer is a petulant shitface this project will still do well.

[Anonymous No.7785761]

>>7785716
This. Even EVM cannot compete here. Solidity is not C++ or WA. Also, EOS has the support of Eric Schmidt's VC firm. Add (at least) $1B in PROJECT FUNDING FOR EOS - I'd say it's a good project to go long on. It's the largest portion of my stack, I just wish I bought more.

[Anonymous No.7785765]

>>7785585
>dapp search engine

Big misconception. The search aspect is just one facet of Nebulas which is a complete platform in its own right that has a built in self-evolving feature to avoid the need for or possibility of forks and also solves issues relating to interoperability. Completely under the radar right now at 300m marketcap, mainnet in march binance expected to follow. Don't miss it.

I would encourage you to read the Whitepaper or at least the Executive Summary and I think you will see they are on to something.

[Anonymous No.7785814]

>>7785761
Solidity has a use case. Fully deterministic language so that code executes identically on all nodes, at all times.

How can c++ achieve that? Nobody ever addresses that.

Am I the only person that worked on a ethereum commercial project?

[Anonymous No.7785847]

>>7785814
Solidity is the sloppiest and scariest programming language ever. C++ puts men into space. It is industry standard for elite developers. You aren’t the only person who has worked in a commercial Ethereum project. You are, however, going to be upset when you see Ethereum projects moving to EOS in droves. Bag up my boy.

[Anonymous No.7785853]

>>7785814
>Am I the only person that worked on a ethereum commercial project?
Evidently, yes.
Many people can't spell ethereum let alone interact with the network in any meaningful way

[Anonymous No.7785855]

>>7785585
>>7785765
Also I should add how short sighted you come across. Yes, being able search smart contracts, dapps and users’ assets will be massively important in the future when blockchain is exponentially bigger. You could get by on the internet without search engines and pagerank like algorithms in its infancy, but you couldn't imagine doing that today.

[Anonymous No.7785944]

>>7785847
I'll repeat my question for you:

Solidity was created as fully deterministic language so that code executes identically on all nodes, at all times. That's why it doesn't have any random number generation, besides checking for blockc hashes in the future. How can c++ ever do anything like that?

[Anonymous No.7785961]

>>7785855
Why not just search on the internet? Popular currency & utility cryptos would still be discovered through traditional means, if a service has a crypto it will advocate it in the internet and if a crypto is popular as a currency there will be ample resources about it in the internet. Blockchain explorers exist for deeper inspection of the crypto you're interested in. How many use cases are there for searching some kind of public data between all cryptos?

[Anonymous No.7785987]

>>7785944
I have no knowledge, but would expect it to be a limited subset of C++

[Anonymous No.7786003]

>>7785944
I'm noob in this but you should check zilliqa's solution (scilla language), maybe it's interesting for you.

[Anonymous No.7786026]

>>7785814
My knowledge on the topic is limited, but i do know that they have one notable language restriction related to deterministic behavior, which is to not allow floating point numbers. I'm sure if you dig deep you'll be able to find out more

[Anonymous No.7786045]

>>7786026
Dig deep as in read the dev docs

[Anonymous No.7786065]

>>7786045
That's 10 miles deeper than most people go anon

[Anonymous No.7786076]

>>7786065
Indeed

[Anonymous No.7786108]

>>7785944
Also, "gas cost" is a concept that is in place because nobody knows how long a solidity program will run. This makes clogging the network with a ever running one easy if it's masked a little, unless you pay for all OP codes executed.

c++ doesn't compile to opcodes as it doesn't have a virtual machine. It is supposed to be close to the metal and performant while sacrificing standardization a bit for that. One would only be able to assign a gas cost arbitrarily to a compiled executable, unless some intermediate compilation product is used. That would be a subset of c++ then.

[Anonymous No.7786125]

>>7786003
I like zilliqua approach a lot, thanks for mentioning.

[Anonymous No.7786189]

>>7785961
The "web of blockchains" is fundamentally different than "web of webpages".
On the internet the atomic unit is a webpage and the ranking is around the number & quality of links to each webpage. Facebook, Twitter, et al are changing this somewhat but the fundamental assumptions are still the same.
On the blockchain the atomic unit are public addresses & smart contracts and the rankings are around new factors (liquidity, value in each address/contract, interactivity between addresses/contracts, etc).
The structure (and thus ranking) of objects in a world of blockchains is fundamentally different than objects on the web. By embedding the ranking of contacts directly in the protocol you can use this information to build new apps and services we haven't seen before. The worldwide network of blockchain is still very new and early but it will be very exciting to see how this ecosystem develops.

[Anonymous No.7786315]

I've programmed many smart contracts on NEO and next to that, EOS is my only real hold.
I like Cardano because I'm a die hard functional programming shill, and I like neither Steemit nor Dan, but the former is still the only relevant blockchain app besides ICOs on Etereum. Cardano will only get interesting once they finally have a VM but it's my understanding that it will actually be for solidity as well as another custom functional language, which is retarded.
On that note, I'm writing an anonymous voting contract, so if you like finite fields and zero knowledge proofs, contacts me

https://youtu.be/cnK1E3yZGx0

[Anonymous No.7786341]

So node operators recieve payments in EOS inflation. But how do they convert it into real money? They have to sell EOS to someone. And what if everyone already has needed amount of EOS, why would they buy it?

I don't get this scheme.

[Anonymous No.7786366]

>>7786341

>What if everyone already has needed amount of EOS

Your processing power, short term and long term memory in the system is determined by the amount of EOS token you have. How likely is that your needs will be constant, all the time, and that will be the case of everybody?
Close to zero.

[Anonymous No.7786393]

>>7786341
> what are basic economics

5% yearly inflation is nbd especially with a project the scale of EOS. They did your thinking for you. Bag up.

[Anonymous No.7786404]

>>7786366
But it's still possible.

Otherwise if there is inflation - you don't pay fees, right, but you have to increase your share in system, which is determined by amount of EOS tokens, and you have to buy new token every once in a while. So it's not really true that you pay only once.

[Anonymous No.7786421]

>>7786393
>They did your thinking for you. Bag up.

[Anonymous No.7786443]

>>7786404
>Increase your share in system
I meant keep your share in system constant. Which requires buying 5% of tokens every year (?)

[Anonymous No.7786469]

EOS could be decent in the long run, but registering your tokens is fucking stupid. Idk why they distributed the coin as an ERC20 if they were going to abandon the Ethereum platform in July. Seriously, it makes no fucking sense, and just confuses investors.

Why didn't they just make their own wallet ffs. EOS fags, explain yourselves.

[Anonymous No.7786494]

>>7786341
There will be huge constant demand for the token not only because it's required to actually utilize the network, but also because theyre used to determine who gets to run a master node and collect that sweet inflation, so the top whales will always be trying to accumulate as much as possible

[Anonymous No.7786509]

>>7786469
> slight layer of complexity
Scam!!!!!

Makes it harder for tech illiterate normals (you) to hold bags. It’s perfect.

[Anonymous No.7786540]

>>7786443

You are implying the network will not increase in capability over time. Do IT technology increase in capability less or more than 5% per year?

>>7786469
>. Idk why they distributed the coin as an ERC20 if they were going to abandon the Ethereum platform in July
Dan hates money skelly. The whole distribution thing is to bleed ETH. It is unclear what are they doing with the millions of ETH they are getting. Maybe they are reinvesting every week (at least they move them out of the contract wallet), but the may dump the price in July in the biggest troll movement ever. What would have you use instead?

[Anonymous No.7786555]

>>7786509
Fuck off, I never said it was a scam. I just said their distribution is stupid, and it is.

Also, I've been using Mist and MyEtherWallet to transfer tokens from ICO's and the fucking EOS token registration process is byzantine as fuck. I don' want to invest because I'm afraid I'll fuck it up somehow and lose my tokens.

Face it, if someone like me is put of my it, Normans are not going to come in until q3 2018 at the very minimum. Enjoy holding those bags, I'll buy them after the dip in July.

[Anonymous No.7786572]

>>7786540
>what would you use instead

a normal fucking wallet like pretty much any other non erc20 coin?? Even NEO has a wallet and it's fucking website doesn't work properly.

[Anonymous No.7786573]

>>7786315
What resource would you recommend if one would want to start with NEO smart contract programming?

[Anonymous No.7786590]

>>7786469
>>7786555
The erc20 token is a way to fund the project just like any other ico. This started as just a whitepaper and a plan,so there was/is no live network on which to make their own wallet yet. The eos mainnet won't be public until June.

[Anonymous No.7786628]

>>7786590
You can still have an ICO and accept BTC and ETH without actually making your coin an ERC 20...

All i'm saying is it's off putting. You wont get serious money int this project until after June.

[Anonymous No.7786687]

after Bitcoin , EOS is my biggest hold, even bigger than Ethereum.
I see it as a gamble but i EOS will pull off a good profit for me.

[Anonymous No.7786703]

>>7786628
Having it as an erc20 token allows them to easily register all of said tokens on the eos network once it goes live by taking a snapshot of the registered addresses.

As far as money goes, they've already raised over a billion dollars, more than any ico in history. It is an annoying process, i agree, but like another anon said, it filters out the tech illiterate normies and ensures that early adopters are willing to put in a bare minimum effort into understanding what they're getting into

[Anonymous No.7786718]

>>7786628

This is a "it is not a bug, it is a feature!" kind of discussion.
>With a messy token validation you learn how not user friendly ETH is (compare to the human readable addresses EOS will have)
>With a messy token validation you don't get single mums involved in something not even released yet.
>With a daily distributed ICO you get it distributed as fairly and equally as possible.

You still have exchanges if the ten lines instructions are too hard to read.

[Anonymous No.7787440]

>>7786718
This. Registering EOS is easy. Crypto brainlets need to learn about public and private keys anyway.

[Anonymous No.7787779]

>>7781297

We should honestly just have a boxing match between Dan Larimer and Charles Hoskinson to settle this shit

[Anonymous No.7787818]

>>7785716

>Charles stole the idea from Dan

Said Dan. Dan Larimer is like this cunt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ltORkYAdVk

Charles Hoskinson may not be a cuddly person but he will wipe the floor with Dan

[Anonymous No.7788131]

>>7787818
Cardano is a counterfeit EOS. Enjoy your resource hog programming language and 15 second block times. EOS block times are less than a second. Why are you unaware of these things? Cognitive dissonance anyone?

[Anonymous No.7788158]

>>7787818
And please see
>>7784391
Did Novogratz and a Google co-founder partner with EOS or Cardano? Please refresh my memory.

[Anonymous No.7788220]

>>7788131

Buy ADA before Shelley is released in Q2, you've been warned

>Cognitive dissonance anyone?

Uh, reddit much?

[Anonymous No.7788302]

>>7788220
You’re ignoring the facts. You still don’t understand that Cardano is a slower ripoff of EOS.

[Anonymous No.7788309]

I want to invest in EOS but I don't want to support kiddie diddler Brock Pierce. What do

[Anonymous No.7788353]

>>7788309
I heard he was a victim. Young teenager at the time. Pretty messed up to lie about this. Desperate fud

[Anonymous No.7788393]

>>7788353
>Pretty messed up
nah that's the norm on /biz/

[Anonymous No.7788836]

>>7786703
Pretty sure EOS will 100x comfy

[Anonymous No.7788887]

>>7788309
he is behind tether too

[Anonymous No.7788940]

>>7788887
Block one has nothing to do with Tether. Dan is programming EOS. Even if Tether went down EOS would be fine.

The EOS fud army stinks of desperation worse than Chainlink marines. Have fun FOMOing into EOS when it crashes to $900

[Anonymous No.7789082]

>>7788940
where does all the money go into fom the crowdsale, i think tether

[Anonymous No.7789120]

>>7781559
Cardano founder scammed eos founder