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I started gambling one month ago and it's amazing. I play everything and bet on everything.
Why is it so demonized in media? It feels so good!

>> No.12909786

>>12909691
how much have you lost?house always wins.

>> No.12909789

>>12909691
because it's a legalized instance of one group taking money from another group and the difference in intelligence is so great that people find it to be off putting similar to selling a fraudulent investment to someone with down syndrome for example. you have to be a complete retard incapable of understanding math to gamble

>> No.12909824
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>>12909786
That's only with pure games of chance. Games like poker, billiards, and black jack reward skill and autism and the house has no vested interest in which person actually wins. They simply provide a platform on which players can compete with each other.

>> No.12909829

>>12909786
This isnt true. Ive mastered roulette after years of practice and reading books. I have an edge of 55% at this moment and this will grow to at least 87% based on my calculations.

>> No.12909849

Poker is pretty great along with blackjack but anything else isn't worth playing since the house always wins.

>> No.12909863

>>12909829
???
>>12909824
Poker is not full of bad players anymore

>> No.12909868
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>the house always wins

>> No.12909879

>>12909868
Implying the rake is too damn high.If youre talking about poker.

>> No.12909933
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>>12909829
>Ive mastered roulette after years of practice and reading books. I have an edge of 55% at this moment and this will grow to at least 87% based on my calculations.
>Mastering a game of chance
>Mastering gamblers ruin

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>>12909933
>Mastering a random walk

>> No.12909941

>>12909829
kek, retard

>> No.12909977

>>12909829
dont listen to the retards. i knew a guy that's so good at roulette he would be asked to leave after winning so much. roulette is fun but its harder to profit than some games. there still is absolutely a way to become skilled at the game and anyone that says otherwise is a coping retard. as my friend once told me: "only stupid people lose at the casino, smart people know how to win and walk away with profit." most people are stupid though so they will lose.

>> No.12909984

Gambling is great until the devil possesses you and you keep going until you lose it all. I played a game, sticked to a strategy and was doing well until I became impatient and wanted to make more money fast which resulted in a loss. It was a few hundred bucks though but no idea what got hold of me.

>> No.12909993

>>12909936
>thinking the markets are random walks
Fuck man the 1960s called, they want the papers you stole from their library.

>> No.12910009

>>12909977
During the 90's there was a Spanish family that mastered the roulette and they would travel around Europe and USA making hundreds of thousands a month until they got kicked out of every well known casino. One casino even took them to court because they lost so much money thanks to the family but they lost the case. I just love when casinos get fucked.

>> No.12910034

>>12909977
What’s funny is that I play very smart for hours and always 2-3x+ my initial bankroll. I then lose a bigger bet and start emotionally betting then lose it all. The golden rule is to not be emotional

>> No.12910148

>>12909977
You realise gamblers won't tell you when they lose do you? Ran a casino for 10+ years anon. Every gambling addict had "a way" in the end they lose. Some last a year though. But in the end, they'll lose.

>> No.12910207

>>12909691
You're just like those rats in the cocaine self-administration experiments. Pathetic.

>> No.12910490

>>12909984
forgot to reply to you, but you are absolutely right. We've all seen it before, like you said you get impatient and carried away, and then you've lost. I've done it once or twice myself. For anyone that actually wants to gamble, try not to do this.

>>12910009
Lmao. That's really funny that you say that. The guy I'm talking about is Spanish. At one point he was telling me of his exploits and I suggested he should travel the world just taking money from all the casinos. He's been asked to leave both brick and mortar casinos and at least 1-2 online ones as well. I wonder if it's the same guy? Where did you hear about that? Got any link or story?

>>12910034
Exactly, like I said to the first guy in this post. Getting emotional or whatever you want to call it is often the downfall of the gambler.

>>12910148
That may very well be the case. The fact is while these games may be designed to give the house an edge, based on what I've seen a player can study and understand the game to his advantage. It may not be perfect and foolproof but a player can greatly increase his chances of winning by understanding how the game works, odds and probability, as opposed to just randomly placing bets and hoping to win. I've seen it, and in the case of my friend, his downfall was almost entirely his own greed, nothing more.

>> No.12910575

>>12910009
Never mind, just googled and it sounds like they're the Pelayo family, it's not him unless he's related. Still really interesting though.

>> No.12910840

lol at the retards ITT who say you cant "be good" at roulette.

it's fucking hard, but there is a way to beat the house >51% of the time.

see how the dealer spins the wheel, see the force he uses, the way he drops the ball etc. Because the roulette wheel always starts at the same position and the same ball is used each time and the same dealer drops the ball in each time, there is a slight tilt in the odds as to what colour/position on the wheel it will land on. e.g. maybe 505/1000 times the ball will land in the range of 1-5. It means there is a slight edge there. You identify the edge after days of going to the casino and exploit it.

>> No.12910847

>>12910840
to iterate, no ball is 100% round, no roullete is 100% perfectly made. There is always an edge. And a dealer has a tendency to use the same force each time he spins the wheel and drops the ball.

>> No.12910854

>>12910840

Your spatial reasoning probably isn't that amazing, and switching dealers or slight changes in technique will throw you.

Now if you had, say, a computer that was doing calculations on each spin in real time, then you'd have an enormous edge. You can bet that the casinos would check you out at some point though.

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>>12909993
>>thinking the markets are random walks
thinking roulette is a market.

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>>12909691
since i've started trading options everything else pales in comparison.

>> No.12910975

This board is about business and finance, but this thread is about literal gambling.

>> No.12910985

>>12910896
options are a meme. What is even the point of them. They are all "priced in" anyway so you might as well just buy the actually asset/security your trading

>> No.12911004

>>12910985
Spreads have higher chance of profitability. Even then you don't need to pick market direction in order to make money.

>>12910975
not that off-topic for this board

>> No.12911093

>>12909863
It is on block chain based platform s checknkut poker king on eos ,, so fishy , thank me later.

>> No.12911124

>>12909691
there is almost no demonization of gambling in the media, you go online and search for gambling its all 100% positive.

>> No.12911670

>>12910975
This board is about gambling.
Crypto threads. Everywhere

>> No.12911684

>>12910896

How much do you need to get started?

>>12910985

The idea that everything is "priced in" is kind of bizarre. The market is not a wizard with a crystal ball.

>> No.12911753

>>12909824
Poker rake can kill the table if people are playing tight, and if you're playing loose to counter that eventually you're gonna play into a cold deck and lose.

>> No.12911802

>>12909824
black jack isnt skill tho

>> No.12912527

Roulette is one of the dumbest, most low brow games in the casino. In fact, it should be clear that any of the games that involve independent chance should be avoided.

>> No.12912555

>>12911753
Yea, but you also encounter situations in poker where you get to bet after you already know you've won. It's logically impossible for you to lose. That's a unique thing in gambling, and that alone should categorize poker as the only real option if you find yourself in a casino.

>> No.12912575

That's because the freaking spinning roulette ball represents the world and it's heretical, an object thrown to dynamics and physics as a justification of meaning

>> No.12912902

>>12909829
>I have an edge of 55%
Post here or GTFO with your larp.

>> No.12912910

>>12910034
>start emotionally betting
You actually do this during your winning period but since you win you don't see it as emotional.

t. played roulette for 2 weeks straight

>> No.12912936

>>12910854
This. OP is assuming pure autism. If it was worthwhile he'd be rich right now.

>> No.12913234

I'm a semi professional Roulette player and belong to one of the black leagues in Europe, we're a private, invite only members group that travels to casinos across Europe, sometimes Asia, playing Roulette and on average we have a better annual performance record than the Renaissance fund.

Roulette, on the surface of it, is a simple game of independent probability, but this is only theoretical probability and unrelated to the physical manifestation of probabilistic entropy that is observed in the Roulette system. Therefore we refer to this as an entropic polynomial probabilistic system, from which we can derive alpha cohort probabilistic entropy, otherwise known as an 'edge'. Nearly every interaction between systems produces some correlation. Suppose that at some instant a pair of systems are independent, so that the composite system state function is a product of subsystem states. Then this condition obviously holds only instantaneously if the systems are interacting - the independence is immediately destroyed and the systems become correlated. Once you've groked that realisation, you can move on to countless paths into the game to yield winning strategies. Obviously I'm not letting on here, but there are lesser strategies that we don't deploy anymore that are still somewhat valid but not to the point where it's worthwhile (i.e. they work so slowly in your favour that you are likely to get banned from the casino before you've made an appreciable amount of money, ideally you need a big win and quickly).

An example:

Where R is observed rotational RPM of the Roulette wheel, n is the first number of ball contact, we solve for ∆ to produce the probability of observed i, which calculates the narrow range of number results for the spin:

Rn = ∆1 + · · · + ∆n, R0 = i

>> No.12913650

>>12913234
can you share one of your strategies with us gambling wizard anon?

>> No.12913711

So many brainlets ITT.

The only +ev forms of gambling are Poker or Betting on sports.

Roulette, Blackjack etc are all down to the house. You cant count cards anymore and this >>12913234 guy is LARPing. Enjoyable post though.

If anyone is actually interested in making money gambling, it can be done via sports betting, this is probably the easiest method. I spent a year doing this for money.

It's really hard in the USA though, I live in the UK we have access to a load of bookies that will have markets for all kinds of things you would never have thought of. Even asian bookies (the ones that have the highest limits and wont limit you) have a wide variety of games. All you need is an edge in one league or on one sport and you can profit.

>> No.12913751

>>12913711
but how do you work out an edge in sport betting?

do you arb the odds across sites?

>> No.12913795

>>12913234
>I'm a semi professional Roulette player and belong to one of the black leagues in Europe
Autism

>> No.12913832

>>12913751
You know what's going on behind the scenes or you are on your computer live as the match is played.

>> No.12914184

>>12913751

You dont 'work one out' as such. Not with the way I am talking about anyway. There will be statistical models for different leagues but you can also get an edge by just knowing more than the bookies. Information on the teams/people involved that the bookies wouldnt have. Sometimes you can even bet on a fixed match.

>> No.12914323

>>12909977
How do you master which slot the ball lands?

How many years of Jedi training do I need to accomplish this?

>> No.12914342

>>12909993
It has been proven even more solidly since than 1960s

>> No.12915642

>>12909824
is blackjack not played against the house anymore?
i feel old

>> No.12915642,4 [INTERNAL] 

>>12915642,2
it seems to be the most affordable service on the market