Chainlink the holy grail of cryptography, trust itself?

[Anonymous No.11801886]

This seems to have been overlooked by most anons here given btc is shitting the bed again so deserves a new thread. Yesterday some anons pointed out that Chainlink + Town Crier may be incredibly important for some kind of secure random number generation, which I have seen be referred to as the "holy grail of cryptography" here.

I have capped the relevant posts, pic related, and here is a link to the archived thread: >>/biz/thread/S11786814

So can someone with knowledge of this shit please explain to brainlet linkies what is going on here? Is this bigger than we thought? Why?

For brainlets, someone posted this vid yesterday too and I watched it and found it helpful in a general sense:
>Here’s a video that might help illustrate better for yall the concept of how important truly random numbers are. Cloudflare, who provide a sort of CAPTCHA-esque initial gatekeeper service for a good chunk of the world’s internet traffic, use a wall of lava lamps to generate true randomness, lol:

https://youtu.be/1cUUfMeOijg

[Anonymous No.11801899]

Continuing in the theme of $2500 eoy

>"If someone could solve the oracle problem, it would be worth more than Crypto itself..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8XItl65QBM [Embed]

around 1 hr 24 min

[Anonymous No.11801970]

>>11801899
And if you start listening at about 1:23 you'll hear him say why chainlink won't work.

[Anonymous No.11802012]

>>11801886
there is no such thing as a truly random generated number in computer science

[Anonymous No.11802015]

>>11801886
brainlet here, how will those random numbers be generated if computer code can't generate them securely enough?

[Anonymous No.11802037]

>>11801970
He has no understanding of what Chainlink is or does. He thinks it can be sybil attacked and that's why it won't work...

[Anonymous No.11802055]

We need link to moon before these sub-human wetbacks storm our country from Mexico. I need to buy a house in Wyoming and pay some instragram Thot lots of money to have 3-4 kids with me to help the declining white replacement rate.

[Anonymous No.11802058]

>>11802012
I have heard of groups using radio telescopes to gather noise from essentially the stars, the noise of the galaxy/universe, to use as the randomness for an RNG, and even that isnt truly random, because with astro physics and enough observation you could recreate it

[Anonymous No.11802075]

>>11801886

This is actually bearish for Chainlink, if the numbers are random then the nodes won't provide accurate data.

[Anonymous No.11802078]

>>11801970
The link token itself is the entire reason why Sybil attacks are no longer possible: you need to actually lay down money to create a node, you can't just spam them.

Richard Heart didn't/doesn't know this, and apparently neither do you. The link token itself is the solution, dyor next time.

[Anonymous No.11802083]

I see confused people. Link is middleware for delivering data from API endpoint to smart contract. If it gets data from https://www.random.org/ or whatever, that's not trustless, you trust that page to deliver a truly random number. If you don't, Link won't give you any advantage and you'll best build your own RNG.

[Anonymous No.11802098]

>>11802055
You're a good man. I'll tell you this secret. Look at HNS token too.

Started by a bunch of liberals in SF, they don't want us to know about it.

[Anonymous No.11802102]

>>11802083
They are talking about the sgx secure rng function, which towncrier (now owned by CL) can do using the sgx tee

[Anonymous No.11802120]

Isnt the only way to get a real "random" number with some kind of radioactive decay device or something? Is that the reason why Sergey was meeting Galymzhan Pirmatov last friday?

[Anonymous No.11802121]

One-time pads are just random strings. It's unbreakable if the sender and receiver keep the random strings completely secret, and use them to encrypt messages. Basically you add the nth value of the one-time pad to the nth character of your message. Previously this could only be truly secure if the two parties agreed on the one-time pad offline, which is a major hurdle when it comes to online trust.
With chainlink, you could have many nodes sending out random strings to smart contracts, which then create one-time pads for users to encrypt their communication. Basically this is huge.

[Anonymous No.11802122]

I saw something interesting on twitter just before which seemed very co-incidental.
I am assuming it was a recent discussion within the web3 foundation.

[Anonymous No.11802134]

>>11802098
What is it

[Anonymous No.11802138]

>>11802015

Because it will use inputs from many different RNGs, such as Chainlink nodes and user given input, to create individualized RNG schemes.

Look at it this way. Most random number schemes are cracked because the input is compromised because it's a one way street. With this, you can derive a set of random inputs that are then scrambled together with your own stuff or whatever to create probably secure random number schemes.

[Anonymous No.11802145]

This is what happens when a bunch of chucklefucks zoomers who want to play Gekko and think they understand anything about tech find /biz/. None of you know anything about technology, programming and much less cryptography. There is no 'new' mathematics. Mathematics has been the same for hundreds of years. Encryption used today is 50 years old. What's this, some chainlink shit mixed with some Intlel hardware? That's not even encryption. I want to curb stomp all of you 60 IQ bastards.

[Anonymous No.11802154]

>>11802120
You can use lava lamps, air currents, or even your smartphone camera. They're sensitive enough to pick up quantum noise when you block the lens. Random photons will occasionally light up a few pixels per second.

[Anonymous No.11802155]

>>11802134
Just Google handshake and namebase. I'm off to work

[Anonymous No.11802175]

>>11802145
Someone had to put the wheel and the engine together at some point

[Anonymous No.11802180]

>>11802145
Sure it's old math, but it takes decades to find its way into implementation. If you had any "iq" you'd understand how theory trickles down into technology.

[Anonymous No.11802181]

>>11802078
this, plus the certification service.

[Anonymous No.11802277]

>>11802145
>who is Dijkstra

[Anonymous No.11802293]

>>11802120
RANDOM.ORG offers true random numbers to anyone on the Internet. The randomness comes from atmospheric noise, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs.

[Anonymous No.11802343]

>>11802293
Not a good idea to share the same source, especially a public one.

[Anonymous No.11802365]

>>11802120
Where the fuck'd ya hear that he met with that guy?

[Anonymous No.11802394]

>>11802293
So we just attack random.org to break this multibillion dollar contract?

Its random, sure, but is it secure? what CL/TC via SGX is offering, is random AND secure

[Anonymous No.11802461]

>>11802145
>biggest random number on /biz/
>biggest IQ on /biz/
>biggest cock on /biz/

You're like ants to me.

[Anonymous No.11802483]

>>11802394
1k eoy 2019 unironically or Illkmys

[Anonymous No.11802641]

>>11802058
>>11802102
>>11802121
>>11802138
>>11802394
You seem to understand what you’re talking about here.
Can you break it down, without jargon (don’t know what RNG is, barely just understood what a TEE is), in brainlet terms? What is this describing, why is it important and why would it be profitable?

[Anonymous No.11802645]

>>11802078
this, plus the link token solves the lambo problem.

[Anonymous No.11802670]

>>11802122
Checked.
Nothing is coincidence.

[Anonymous No.11802680]

>>11801886
>Chainlink the holy grail of cryptography,
hell no, if it was they would use it for nukes

[Anonymous No.11802754]

>>11801899
>>11802037

This is the type of thing that makes me happy.

This man isn't an idiot. He just has no idea how serious of a project ChainLink is.

ChainLink really is completely understand radar? I still don't understand how. I know the team doesn't tweet, but shit.

[Anonymous No.11802799]

>>11802012
living in sin, kek

[Anonymous No.11802823]

>>11802145
>Mathematics has been the same for hundreds of years.
unexpected kek

[Anonymous No.11802841]

>>11801886
>PhD in PRNGs goes back to lurker mode, kek

[Anonymous No.11802875]

maybe after a few years they develop some kind of quantic machine that generate true randomness, until some people discover it can be manipulated through thought, then psychic powers become real with the help of these machines, maybe internet and crypto is the way to evolution

[Anonymous No.11802959]

>>11802641
RNG = random number generator.

[Anonymous No.11802994]

>>11802641
Rng is random number generation
Cryptography relies on random numbers to create security. Right now everything from cryptocurrency transactions, paypal transactions, banking logins, email logins, encrypted messengers (and every other sensitive digital communication) rely on cryptographic keys obtained by random number generation.
One approach to break cryptographic security is to figure out how a particular random number generator makes random numbers and reverse engineer cryptographic keys (like your ethereum private key).
Chainlink + TEE + RNG allow a method to create what is basically impossible to hack random number generation. The implications of this are innumerable and staggering.

[Anonymous No.11803031]

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[Anonymous No.11803066]

>>11802994

This is actually factually wrong.

[Anonymous No.11803107]

>>11803066
Which part?

[Anonymous No.11803135]

>>11803107

The functionality.

[Anonymous No.11803161]

>>11803135
The functionality of what?

[Anonymous No.11803177]

>>11803161

Exactly.

[Anonymous No.11803184]

>>11802994
Ok. Appreciated.
So how does this impact the stinky linky retail investor?
If someone wants this super secure random number generator, they don’t need to get it from chainlink nodes like linkpool? Or do they? Would they purchase it in a decentralised way or does this make no sense?

[Anonymous No.11803206]

>>11803177
Lel

[Anonymous No.11803264]

>>11803184
It means that the chainlink network allows nigh unbreakable random number generation (and therefore cryptographic security) for smart contracts. Security is money maker number 1.

[Anonymous No.11803606]

Great thread, thanks boys

[Anonymous No.11804113]

>>11803264
Will random numbers be something we can sell via chainlink nodes? just as if it were an API?

If so, then the comment in the OP pic about a "license to print money" makes sense...

[Anonymous No.11804631]

>>11803264
This. The security aspects of Chainlnk are actually it's biggest feature and that's saying something because connectivity is such a big feature in and of itself

[Anonymous No.11805260]

Bump
Pls keep thread alive, btc going to 0 is distracting linkies from this important info.

[Anonymous No.11805428]

Ok here is a fucking stupid question for you all. I completely understand the implications of this, but HOW exactly do nodes generate RNG? Do they pull a random number from an RNG api and then just aggregate a shit load of different apis together? How does that end up being 1 number? I'm trying to understand how exactly this works.

[Anonymous No.11805643]

>>11802075
Underrated

[Anonymous No.11805656]

pee pee poo poo

[Anonymous No.11805758]

>>11805656
WOAH

[Anonymous No.11806316]

>>11805656
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11806514]

>>11802075
kekked