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V2 released and this thing is still dumping. Really makes me think.

>> No.9909607

>Bitcoin of France

>> No.9909613
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And yet we continue to hold

>> No.9909615

it was only the V2 release for Dev's... be patient fuckboi

>> No.9909616

Just give it like 9 months you impatient fucks

>> No.9909624

>>9909616
Wtf is going to happen when Bitcoin crashes

>> No.9909642
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9909642

people have been saying this shit will moon for a year now. truth is you're desperate fucks who've been holding onto one of the worst performing alts of the past 6 months. your in denial if you think ark v2 will give you anything other than a 10% pump followed by a subsequent harder dump, just like everything else they've released. face it arktards, even though it appears like a solid project, this one just ain't a money maker.

you didn't listen

>> No.9909643

In my opinion ARK hodlers are in the late-DigiMarine stage. They rarely make threads anymore and have all but given up hope.

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>>9909601

Released on test net, not on main net.

Soon, people and companies will be able to deploy their own blockchains easily with just a few clicks. They can then use whatever programming language they want to create smartcontracts on ARKvm, that are able to communicate with every other blockchain outside of ARK trough smartbridging.

This thing is going to disrupt the entire cryptosphere. I've been buying ARK every single dip. ARK has been laying the groundworks for about a year now... you can't help but laugh at /biz/ kiddies when their coin doesn't moon within a few days or so.

Be smart /biz/.

>> No.9909657

>>9909642
I got here last month when everyone was telling me 30k was the absolute bottom, because of the v2 release. I'm not sure I can hold on any longer.

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>>9909643

we're literally accumulating. I never make ARK threads because of that reason alone.

10K ark and counting. Buying another 200 today.

>> No.9909667

>>9909654
>Soon, people and companies will be able to deploy their own blockchains easily with just a few clicks. They can then use whatever programming language they want to create smartcontracts on ARKvm, that are able to communicate with every other blockchain outside of ARK trough smartbridging.

This seems misinformd? To my understanding ARK is in Javascript and most smart contracts are done in Solidity.

>> No.9909706

ARK is lower than it has been in a really long time.

I bought 500 dollaroos worth was it a good or bad decision

>> No.9909708

>>9909659
No offense but who the fuck are you? We used to have those chang and moonman guys posting their ARK threads every single day here. ARK is done.

>> No.9909727

>>9909667
That's because you're right. ARK has APIs , but theyre a bit weak and the chain forks constantly.

>> No.9909748

>>9909708

ARK is done... just fuck of brainlet. They haven't even completed development yet.

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I'll never sell, good luck changing my mind.

Ark is one of the greatest, if not, THE greatest crypto project out there

Nice try folks

>> No.9909772

The thing with ark I don't understand is how many people out there actually NEED to deploy their own blockchains and for what reason? Maybe some particular companies might see a need for it but a regular person? It's not like building a fucking blog. They're branding themselves as the WordPress of blockchains but once the ICO fad is over nobody will really give a fuck. Only a niche segment of people will utilize this in the end.

not to mention that if somebody does build something on the ARK ecosystem they have no need to actually use the Ark token. they can just make one themselves.

So, logically, where is this going beyond the speculative hot potato game?

>> No.9909823

>>9909772

People said that about every single new technology that was ever released. Internet, Cell phones, Computers, everything...

Blockchain hasn't seen anything yet.

>> No.9909827

>>9909758
Sell to buy the dips fucking dipshit. You could’ve doubled your stack easily.

>> No.9909850

>>9909601
Why do all these french shitcoins with amazing fundamentals fail so miserably?

>> No.9909867

>>9909772
I used to think this too, but it's wrong. First I'd like to clarify the misconception that the ARK token is useless. It's literally the opposite. If you look at ARK as an ecosystem (which they are building), the ARK coin is the one that connects all the dapps and sidechains in the ecosystem. You use ARK to interact with everything inside and outside the ecosystem. This is very valuable, because each dapp gets the capabilities of other dapps. If you can't imagine scenarios where this is extremely useful for both developers and users alike, I can't help you.

The second issue you raised is about the NEED. Who needs blockchains and will they ever go mainstream? Well lets think for a second. What do blockchains do best? Eliminate trust and are censorship resistant. This can fix all kinds of logistics problems and streamline so many processes that would end up saving people hundreads of billions or probably trillions of dollars. Imagine a scenario where half of the world uses blockchain as backbone for different business processes and logistics and the the other half doesn't. The half that doesn't will soon realize how inefficient their process is and will switch to blockchain solutions. It's not a matter of "NEED" but a matter of making things easier, faster and cheaper, which a free market loves. Sure, we lack oracles now that would help this immensely, but we're getting there.

Here's another example that I like to give. When ARK is done with their roadmap, it will provide the best sandbox for developers to experiment with blockchain based apps. How long do you think it will take until some turboautist comes with a breakthrough dapp that will rival Google or Facebook in the next 10-15 years. When that happens, wouldn't you like to own part of the infrastructure that made it possible?

Sure you can say we're speculating now, but it's speculation backed by facts and probability. ARK is the only project in the cryptosphere that actually thought this through.

>> No.9909871

>>9909601
>That volume

The reason it is still dumping is because everyone is dropping their bags to jump in something that will recover quick and then buy back. Why you wouldn't do this is beyond me.

>> No.9909878

>>9909850

They're not. You're just standing too close to the painting to see the bigger picture. A new technology takes two decades to get fully integrated into society.

Those people who are now btc millionaires bought them at a few cents or dollars years and years ago. The ones who stand to lose are those ADD kiddies that expect their coin to +5000% within 12 months or so.

>> No.9909906

>>9909878
Tron made me half a million In 3 months

>> No.9909923

>>9909906

no it didn't.

>> No.9909963

>>9909923
I bought back in November. Invested $4100 into Tron. You can do the math. Highest portfolio value was on January 4th at about $600k and I was at Texas Roadhouse with my parents. I sold later on that week. You want my order history from liqui anon? I got time l, just got back from a club.

>> No.9910019

>>9909963
I believe you, and good for you. I still don't understand what this has to do with the topic at hand. You getting lucky with a random chinkcoin doesn't qualify you to give trading advice to that other anon and it also doesn't qualify you to find the next hyped coin that will do x100. Everyone's a genius until he gets burned. Case in point, me: caught 3 consecutive x10 missions and could have been a millionaire just from from 1000$. At the last x10 I held for a little longer and it crashed to shit suddenly. Still holding bags.

>> No.9910029

>>9909727

? wtf your on about. not only weak but also confused fud

>> No.9910040

>>9909667

ark core is in javascript. most smart contracts are done in solidity because most smart contracts are deployed on Ethereum fuckboi. However ark supports 16+ programming languages for developers and is porting everything Ethereum has but with DPOS ofcourse.

the boy was right. Ark is going to disrupt everything. people dont want to listen, they dont want to buy. fine. ark has enough reserves to continue development. dont come complaining when your babbies first coin becomes neigh useless overnight though

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this is a shit coin....bancor is over us....its time to sell you guys

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>>9909772

>cryptokitties dapp clogs entire blockchain
>why do people/companies/programmes need their own blockchain?

hurr durr

>> No.9910065

>>9910029
What is confused? It's also not FUD? All factual.

>> No.9910106

>>9909708
Threads arent made because the community has settled on the discord server.

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>>9910065

when does the chain fork constantly? You mean when push deployables are ready? Ark also does interoperability, theyve thought everything through already, they are three steps ahead than everything else out there.

hence why they take their damn time ensuring the fundamental codebase is god-tier. V2 now on testnet you can see for yourself how it compares with other developer platforms KEK.

>V2 mainnet in 1 month
>followed by smart contracts
>and push deployable blockchains (its already forkable with 10 minutes work but they want to make it instantly
>higher interopability

>> No.9910181

>>9909667
That's what the VM is for. Porting over Solidity contracts to ARK.

>> No.9910192

>>9910181

how far this bitch? while back you said POC

>> No.9910201

>>9910192
Can't have gotten much farther in the last month... team is incredibly busy with v2.

Looking at the v2 code, it also looks like AIP11 is mostly done so the upgrade is ready for later this year that will actually make ARK useful and stand out from the other shitty Crypti forks.

>> No.9910221

>>9909963
How did you make the decision to put that money in so early in tron? Was there some clue or...?

>> No.9910243

>>9910201
So we can expect ark to be a basic product later this year? Assuming nothing goes wrong that is. Always got the impression the wallet and staking was done first and then product while other coins like eth are doing the staking after the product. Ark is going opposite of eth, which can be good but it seems to slow down people moving into it.

>> No.9910254

>>9910201
>>9910243
please answer this guy, Moon. Even if you'd have to take a guess. A timeframe until a working product would be nice.

>> No.9910260

>>9910201

AIP11? sorry im a programming brainlet. Is it something like CRAB17?

>> No.9910285

>>9910065
>>9909727
ARK has APIs built into the nodes, most nodes use something like RPC and the API is done via a 2nd layer interacting with RPC. ARK has the API built in. The chain doesn't "fork constantly", it had one major issue with downtime earlier this week that was addressed in less than 3 hours (compared to the 12 hour complete LISK outage).

You're definitely confused and clueless.

>>9910260
Big network upgrade that's coming after v2 - https://github.com/ArkEcosystem/AIPs/blob/master/AIPS/aip-11.md

>>9910243
Depends on your definition of product. The reason I'm in ARK is because it already satisfies my requirements of being a good product - it's the most decentralized coin thanks to DPoS, and it performs currency functions well. The major stuff I think it could have added is coming in AIP11. v2 was a major rewrite that fixes a lot of legacy bugs/fuckups from crypti.

Once AIP11 is out ARK is going to have better technology than the majority of coins out there. In terms of decentralization (the entire reason I'm in crypto in the first place) it's already there and getting better. By the end of the year ARK is going to be taken a lot more seriously and will be very far along, with VM being the only major feature missing.

In the meanwhile, I'm tasked with working on push button deployments for AWS and Google Cloud. Azure push button deployment is already out, and I'll be creating AWS/GCloud for v2 (and might port Azure as well for v2).

>> No.9910310

>>9910285
I'll be honest holding since August 17 and im getting annoyed at their lack of progress. Put two devs on the deployer gui amd the rest on the VM port. Why would it take 6months+ to finish those two tasks?

>> No.9910324

>>9910310
Who said it was gonna take six months?

The deployer is already done. You can launch a bridge chain with a simple command after cloning the deployer repo. Just needs a GUI for some customization options.

>> No.9910331

>>9909963

No you didn't.

>> No.9910340

>>9910285
Thanks this was really good explanation.

>> No.9910343

>>9910221
The clue was Justin sun himself. Why would a pretty successful guy ruin his reputation by creating a “scam” coin? I knew it would blow up one day. Wasn’t expecting it so soon though. My current biggest investment is THEKEY. Reminds me of Tron back in the early days. This one will take longer. I got lucky and sold before the dump and rebought around 150-200 sats. A lot of bag holders on this one.

>> No.9910373

>>9910324
You did
>By the end of the year ARK is going to be taken a lot more seriously and will be very far along, with VM being the only major feature missing.
>end of year
>still no VM

>> No.9910376

>>9910343
>Why would a pretty successful guy ruin his reputation by creating a “scam” coin?
Lmao fuck off

>> No.9910387

>>9910373
Oh you meant the VM.

They're porting the EVM. Why wouldn't it take a while? Writing software is harder than it looks, especially trying to port something as complicated as the Ethereum Virtual Machine.

v2 has a state machine which will already allow sidechains to have incredibly complicated code written write into the sidechain.

There's no reason the VM should be priority, it's a "fun to have" not a "must have". It will grab ETH market share and port "legacy" ETH code from Solidity, but ARK wants you to write your "contract" into the v2 core on your sidechain - that's what I'm going to be doing. Writing code for a VM is slower and not optimized compared to writing code native to the chain itself.

>> No.9910395

>>9910285
>most nodes use something like RPC and the API is done via a 2nd layer interacting with RPC. ARK has the API built in.

Can you elaborate how it's more "built in" than another chain like Ethereum?

>> No.9910396

>>9910376
Yeah yeah. Biz never changes does it. Time to go away for a couple more months. Stay poor anon

>> No.9910398

>>9910343
Persona as a concept is better, whether that translates to a better useable product is another thing.
Mainets up, but they're dragging their feet namely with bounties & the mobile app.
The mainnet is up, dpos forging happening. But they suffered an attack a few days ago, dont know if its been fixed.

>> No.9910402

does mike doty still work on ark? if so what does he do? and if deployable chains are possible right now how come no one is deploying their own?

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>>9910387
>but ARK wants you to write your "contract" into the v2 core on your sidechain - that's what I'm going to be doing. Writing code for a VM is slower and not optimized compared to writing code native to the chain itself.

Holy misconceptions, Batman! I didn't know this and was under the impression that VM is a big deal and necessary for smart contracts, when actually it's not. I'm getting harder now. Sticky this.

>> No.9910425

>>9910398
Persona is shit, stay the fuck away from it.

They ripped Chang's hacky bandaid and stuck in their mainnet without testing, now any bridgechain or sidechain testing locally will be completely fucking broken.

https://github.com/PersonaIam/persona-mainnet/commit/248e08c5667950d210eba8ae2900282d3ea975ba

Don't pull emergency patches that have barely been tested into your mainnet. BAD FUCKING IDEA.

>>9910395
Most crypto nodes (including ethereum) only run a JSON RPC API by default, not a REST HTTP one. This is crucial to getting developers on board as you don't need to setup an ARK node and layer your own REST API on top of it to get started working with the chain directly.

>> No.9910431

>>9910402
They have
Persona, blockpool, kapu, eductx & cesaire
Delegates will be deploying their projects using ark as will the team. At least another 5 more to come

>> No.9910448

>>9910387
Ok, you've settled my fears for now. Still would like a few more devs, they should hire you. I know theyve added a fair number over the last 6-8months but still, the reliance on Faust is strong.

>> No.9910453

>>9910425
I'm not sure if you're ignorant or what, but Infura has been a thing since before ARK even had a blockchain.

>> No.9910471

>>9910453
You're confusing 3rd party APIs relying on outside infrastructure with node provided direct API access. ETH does not come with a REST API.

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>>9910181
>>9910201
>>9910285
>>9910324
>>9910387
>>9910425

>trusting a chink and a kike

>> No.9910484

>>9909772

Comments like these are honestly my biggest buy signal. My answer to your question is: I don't know, but like someone said before: a lot of people asked this question too when it came to the internet. Why would a small company need it's own website? etc. I'm buying more.

>> No.9910489

>>9910471
Sorry, I'm saying your argument doesn't make sense. Using Infura and using someone elses ARK node(which seems to be your argument?) is the same thing.

>> No.9910491

>>9910285
>not being in crypto for the lambos
>the absolute state

>> No.9910501

>>9910489
Relying on a 3rd party requires that third party to constantly be on top of things and up to date, their service could be paid, they have to have constant uptime, it's not explicitly tied to any spec, etc.

With ARK nodes, you can simply select ANY node on the network and start querying it for data. Decentralization is the key.

>> No.9910522

>>9910501
It's not actually a good idea to "decentralize" yourself from which nodes you're using as you're likely to "decentralize" into a bad peer.

>> No.9910533

>>9910522
That's what cryptography is for. You don't need to trust the peer when you can verify the integrity of the data it provides instead.

>> No.9910539

>>9910522
>>9910533
My central point here being that it isn't about trust since cryptography removes that problem - it's about availability and ease of use.

>> No.9910551

>>9909601
thats not how it works.
big release or news ≠ price going up, it would be too easy to make money for the normies then.
same for stocks, apple stocks don't go up just because something new is announced or released

>> No.9910656

>>9910501
this is key
also the reason I'm still invested in ark
can't wait for the hard fork to come

>> No.9910674

>>9910285

youre a god.

>mfw Moonman will liberate us from the jews

>> No.9910704

>>9910402

+people are waiting for V2 code on mainnet before forking ofcourse.

>> No.9910723

I sold half my stack a day before testnet was released. I'm left now with 2k. If it moons I'll be good to go, if not, fuck it. My biggest concerns are also: 1. how many companies need an own blockchain? 2. If it is mostly a b2b token there won't be much tradable volume by normies. 3. If it moons like ether the market cap inflation through staking will be ridiculous and not sustainable.
I hold for the mooshot as the idea and tech is good. But I'm certainly not putting in more than I'd be willing to lose on this one.

>> No.9910731

It says 78% complete.

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>>9910723
>If it moons like ether the market cap inflation through staking will be ridiculous and not sustainable

>> No.9910817

>>9910723

1) everyone. thousands of businesses. now wait until there will be a few nice gems, good applications and dapps running on their own free blockchain from ark. once there will be a nice ecosystem ark will glue it together. bridge it. exchange it.

2) no trade volume will allways be low, people rather buy and stake than trade

3) eth also has inflation, a lot actually. staking inflation goes down relatively the longer mainnet is up.

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>>9910800
the guy had 4k ARK without doing minimal research to see ARK's inflation rate. He's below a brainlet.

>> No.9910831

>>9910723
>>9910817

just look how many erc20 projects are running on Eth. But its ridiculous to have everything running on a single blockchain. its ONE railway, even if its a maglev it cant handle being the platform for say the entire world. by next year everyone will have adopted Ark's mutliblockchain outlook. Every dapp its own blockchain.

the next cryptokitties wont run on eth, it will run on a private fork from ark.

>> No.9911426

This is a 4 year hodl my friend. Accumulate

>> No.9911791

I can tell Ark is a buy because every thread gets very technical.

If all the people with tech understanding are discussing a project...it's gonna win.

Normies with no understanding discuss Tron and other normie fuckboy projects that will ultimately fail.

>> No.9911929

>>9911791

Not trying to FUD Ark because I love the project but good tech doesn't always come out on top.

I kind of agree with you though and I do hold a decent amount of Ark myself. Always important to DYOR on every project you're invested in.

>> No.9912115

>>9911929
Agreed

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>>9911426

>> No.9912146

>>9912133
I made this photoshop and I did it as a meme. I actually hold ARK too.

>> No.9912189

>>9911791
What have you been smoking? I'm on biz 24/7, ark threads go like this:
>buy ark! TRUST ME it's going to moon
There is zero technical discussion ever. If I just read biz I still wouldn't know what it does.

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>>9912146

As an Arkie, i love the deluded meme...it's going to make the ARK's departure so much better. We'll be standing on deck, waving goodbye to all the sinners, drowning in a sea of useless shitcoins. Oh my brothers, we will experience a level of smugness reaching far beyond our current levels of delusion.

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>>9912189
Scroll up maybe?

Or maybe you just have Jamal level reading skills

>> No.9912237

We're all be dead by the time this does anything.
At least our children will live a wealthy life with our Ark investments. Right?

>> No.9912258

>>9912201
Someone should start making an "enlightened Arkies" set of pics with the other Nep

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>>9912212
BTFO'ing
>>9912212

OOF

>> No.9912986

>>9909642
I made $3k and took my profit. It's only a loss if you leave the money on the table.

>> No.9913001

>>9912986
anon he posts that copypasta in every ark thread why are you responding to him, he's trying to make it the new conference pasta

>> No.9913027

>>9913001

This dude really doesn't rest doesn't he? That shit seriously pops up in every single ark thread nowadays.

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>>9913027
I'd guess he's holding LISK

>> No.9913155

>>9913094
I almost feel bad for Lisk

"Our DPOS isn't fucked, and besides they said they'll fix it soon anyways"

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