XMR Monero

[Anonymous No.9904381]

I'm gonna tell you once and only once. Buy Monero if you want to be a part of the future world elite.

[Anonymous No.9904415]

>>9904381
who is Monero's main shill now that fluffyponzi has fucked off?

[Anonymous No.9904422]

monero is only good for using, nobody is storing wealth in monero, because the second its privacy is broken or a better privacy method other than mixing comes along it's going to crash and never recover.

dont bet on one trick pony coins, especially when the argument for them existing (privacy needs to be on the base layer) is the same reason why they'll be rendered obsolete in the future.

[Anonymous No.9904438]

>>9904422
You really don't understand how Monero works do you?

[Anonymous No.9904468]

Mining .007 Monero a day. I'm gonna be a hundredaire soon!

[Anonymous No.9904544]

What I don't understand is why is bitcoin not anonymous when you can generate a new send and receive address for every transaction

[Anonymous No.9904558]

>>9904422
Monero's privacy has already been broken.

[Anonymous No.9904565]

>>9904438
i understand exactly how it works, maybe you're confused as to it's internals?

[Anonymous No.9904575]

>>9904381

Privacy coins have no future.

[Anonymous No.9904586]

>>9904575

Wasn't that literally the bane of BTC's creation? lmao

[Anonymous No.9904605]

>>9904565
You can't just break Monero's privacy lmfao. You'd have to break industry standard encryption methods to break monero's privacy because that is what is uses
>>9904575
They are the future, BTC statist cuck who wants all his transactions tracked

[Anonymous No.9904606]

>>9904558
in the past, but they've fixed any of those known issues with ringct + higher mixins

the problem is monero's privacy is just naive mixing, and in the same way that adding privacy to btc's base layer is almost never going to happen, the exact same applies to monero moving away from cryptonight, it's only solution is adding "layers" on top, which again, monero proponents themselves argue against privacy outside of the base layer.

right now if you need privacy monero is all you can use, but it's days are numbered given how quickly the state of privacy research is progressing

[Anonymous No.9904611]

>>9904544

because you can always indefinetly backtrack a transaction

[Anonymous No.9904633]

>>9904605
monero isn't "industry standard encryption", monero is ring signatures, not really seen much elsewhere, and fake inputs which provide the bulk of the privacy. it's really not impressive from a mathematical or technical standpoint, and has some clear issues with scalability and privacy when not running your own full node, which is out of reach for almost every average user.

[Anonymous No.9904639]

Biz hates Monero. Clearly its a good buy. Masari is also worth looking into

[Anonymous No.9904642]

>>9904633
It is industry standard you absolute fucking mongoloid. If it wasnt it would have been broken already.

[Anonymous No.9904650]

>>9904639
>>9904642
This

[Anonymous No.9904653]

>>9904381
God I want to - waiting for my Tezos IOUs tokens to finish hatching

[Anonymous No.9904659]

i got 3 fluffies but they're locked on poloniex
the irony of forfeiting my privacy coins to a centralized exchange who goes back on its word and demands verification is not lost on me

[Anonymous No.9904663]

>>9904642
dumb money in full force

[Anonymous No.9904676]

>>9904663
>you're dumb
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.9904683]

>>9904639
they hate it the same reason they hate bitcoin, everyone missed out and wants to gamble on shitcoins instead. but then there are people actually trying to pump monero who don't even understand what they're using and just think it's going to make them rich.

[Anonymous No.9904691]

The one true XMR fork

[Anonymous No.9904692]

>>9904676
why are you even trying to argue this? did you only get into xmr in the past year or two? everyone that's been using monero for years now is well aware of it's shortomings, and isn't trying to pump it because they only care about its utility (and we're like 50x-100x up but that's another story).

[Anonymous No.9904720]

>>9904691
Id say NERVA could actually be legitimate too. But if you aren't buying CN coins now you are absolutely retarted

[Anonymous No.9904727]

>>9904692
name a better privacy coin you retard.
first mover advantage, ever heard of it? it's why bitcoin is still on top.

[Anonymous No.9904745]

>>9904691
they're all shit

>>9904727
english your second language? i already said
>right now if you need privacy monero is all you can use
but you can't conflate "first mover advantage" when that feature can be taken away at any point due to a break in their mixing

[Anonymous No.9904747]

>>9904692
You’re disingenuous. Lots of improvements inbound for xmr.

[Anonymous No.9904757]

>>9904745
their wont be a break numb nuts. until quantum computers come out. and by that time, monero will have switched to a quantum resistant algorithm anyway

[Anonymous No.9904784]

>>9904747
of course, its getting a lot more upgrades because it has a decent hard fork schedule, soemthing i haven't seen another relevant coin emulate

but they will have a hard or harder time moving away from cryptonight just as bitcoin would have adding privacy in the base layer, so when that gets obsolete or broken, they're completely fucked, unless they try and walk back on their whole "privacy should be in the base layer" mantra.

bytecoin is relatively old, and upgradability wasn't really on anybody's mind when they designed cryptonight.

[Anonymous No.9904802]

>>9904757
but that just isn't the case, monero's already had 2-3 major privacy issues, and you'd be stupid to think there aren't more to come. sidechannel leakage is a huge problem with the way monero tries to create privacy, ringct solves most if not all of those known issues, but that doesn't mean there aren't going to be more in the future.

at some point we might find out that mixing just isn't good enough, that's the point.

[Anonymous No.9904814]

>>9904802
sure. but in the short / medium term, there isn't a better bet than XMR

[Anonymous No.9904833]

>>9904802
That’s why kovri is coming. From what I understand mongs can use the clear net to send to each other and still be private.

[Anonymous No.9904860]

>>9904544
its not anonymous if you buy something physical, pay rent, exchange for fiat
the moment you link an identity to it
buy drugs? need a receive address for the package
buy a car? have the car
if you buy something that is given to you in person and is meant to stay in the black market, youre fine
problem is that if you pay an electrician friend of yours for a job, 0.25 btc of whatever, he holds black money, and can only spend it on black market stuff, or needs to declare it as income. this implies declaring who he received it from
10 years down the line nobody will care, but today the crypto/fiat gateways are a hurdle that is difficult to bypass
very willing to learn more on the topic

[Anonymous No.9904876]

>>9904606
not true
go bitcoin - ethereum through a company like shapeshift or any other dex that doesnt need id
send to an unregistered wallet
problem is that the new holder is basically holding crypto that he cant account, so he is holding a hot potato

[Anonymous No.9904910]

>>9904814
that's exactly what i've said. i'm just tired of all the pajeet quality shilling from people that dont use or understand monero

>>9904833
if you mean their tor/i2p replacement, that doesn't help with issues in the cryptography, because all the txs still end up on the blockchain. and anyone serious about using monero is already using tor with it.

[Anonymous No.9904934]

>>9904876
you realize all of shapeshift's transactios are public? i can track your bitcoin transaction and find the ethereum account it was sent to.

believe me, i know what i'm talking about. if you need privacy, monero is your only choice today, with zcash a far second

[Anonymous No.9904947]

>>9904639
Masari deserves at least 5% of XMR's MC

[Anonymous No.9904960]

>>9904947
no it doesn't, especially no if its another chink shitfork that doesn't fix the asic attack

[Anonymous No.9905000]

>>9904960
masari devs are pretty cool. I have faith in them. They built a client-side webwallet for MSR. Does XMR have that?

[Anonymous No.9905009]

>>9905000
No, I think ETH is the only other coin with one

[Anonymous No.9905089]

>>9904934
please help me find the flaw in my logic

i buy 1 btc on exchange
send to wallet
pay friend for service
friend holds 1 btc
pays another friend for good
another friend holds 1 btc
and so on
nobody, except those involved in the transactions, knows who holds the keys
if government comes knocking, ill say
"yes, i still hold that bitcoin, let me check for the key. oh no! my key was stolen! where can i file the loss of one bitcoin? no, i have no clue who mightve taken it!"

im assuming that bitcoin becomes (a) widely used currency

[Anonymous No.9905168]

>>9904910
I don’t understand what your fixation with flaws in cryptonote is. The same could be said with bitcoin or eths underlying algorithm.

[Anonymous No.9905186]

>>9904381
decreds going to eat your lunch monero

[Anonymous No.9905196]

>>9905186
Lmao decred is an exchange token

[Anonymous No.9905314]

[Anonymous No.9905369]

>>9905089
DO YOU NOT ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT A BLOCKCHAIN IS?
holy shit this fucking board

[Anonymous No.9905417]

>>9905369
i do you fuckhead but without a point where your identity is tied to it (delivery adress, exchange id, etc) nobody fucking knows who the fuck holds the keys, right? fucking right??

[Anonymous No.9905426]

Literally the worst preforming shitcoin I've ever bought

[Anonymous No.9905434]

>>9905417
>>9905089
>i buy 1 btc on exchange

[Anonymous No.9905437]

>>9904633
lol, downloading and running an exe file is not out of reach, the UI is so fucking easy to understand even the 0x faggots could figure it out.

[Anonymous No.9905465]

>>9905369
I don't think this guy understands what a public ledger is.

[Anonymous No.9905492]

>>9905465
obviously.
The state of fucking biz man.
With that said Monero is a great buy ATM.
Really the only "currency coin" worth holding aside from BTC of course

[Anonymous No.9905511]

>>9904381

why would you want brainlets and fudders to buy in? fuck them. stop posting about monero.

[Anonymous No.9905581]

>>9905492
I don't know if we are going up or down. Fucking market.

[Anonymous No.9905587]

>>9904422
>>9904565
>>9904606
>>9904633
>>9904663
>>9904683
>>9904692
>>9904745
>>9904784
>>9904802
>>9904910
>>9904934
>>9904960
what do you own? i want to buy what you own.

[Anonymous No.9905602]

>>9905555

[Anonymous No.9905611]

>>9905587
dude is just a crank. Bitches about how monero is going to get cracked any day. Then admits it’s the only solution and will be for the foreseeable future.

[Anonymous No.9905620]

>>9904642
are you fucking retarded? sha1 encryption was considered industry standard for years and had infinitely more people using it in comparison to ringCT and yet it was still broken.

[Anonymous No.9905637]

>>9905620
Are you serious. Fluffy says all the time that privacy is an eternal quest not that the current state of monero is going to protect it forever. Literally no one is arguing that.

[Anonymous No.9905665]

>>9905168
lol no. its not the same. if monero's encryption algo is broken then the entire use case for the currency dissapears. If a flaw in ethash or bitcoins pow is found then the chain can just fork and use new algo with different params at little cost.

[Anonymous No.9905682]

>>9905637
i dont see how that has any relevence to what i was replying to.
you said
>If it wasnt it would have been broken already.
which is retarded.

[Anonymous No.9905721]

>>9905665
eh it’s the safest risk in all of crypto imo. It is a perfect example of a market (DNM) deciding. If something better comes along the market will decide it is so. For now and the next few years this is the reserve currency of DNMs.

[Anonymous No.9905739]

>>9905369
>>9905434
>>9905465
>>9905492
>>9905581
you thick fucks

the point im making is:

after a coin has exchanged hands a couple times, nobody knows who the fuck is holding the key. as nobody knows who generated what adress, and nobody knows whether a person sent it to an own adress, nobody knows who holds the bitcoin. thus, the holder is anonymous.

unless the government comes stomping in your door, thats all the privacy you need to conduct a business transaction and remain protected from everybody knowing how much you hold

[Anonymous No.9905741]

>>9905587
also, bump this. i want to know what this anon his holding.

[Anonymous No.9905796]

>>9905739
no its not anon.
you can still track back and figure who holds what.

e.g. a dr*g marketplace
>Bob -> Silk rd. Bob acct. -> Silk Rd. Main acct ->random acct. -> random acct. -> random acct..
All law enfor*ement has to do is get Silk Rd. and they can still get the identity of you.

[Anonymous No.9905813]

>>9905665
I would argue that eth going POS is a much bigger risk of failure than cryptonote suddenly being compromised

[Anonymous No.9905814]

>>9905796
as soon as you want to spend it, you sacrifice your anonymity. even if you dont paln on spending it, why go through the hassle of having to tumble the coins a dozen times to get anonymity when you could just use once coin that has privacy baked in?

[Anonymous No.9905837]

>>9905813
so what? if PoS fails, you can just fork back to PoW with little ramifications aside from loss of confidence in which is the *correct* chain. if cryptonote fails, what fallback is there? none.

[Anonymous No.9905867]

>>9905796
dude
silk road used adresses
thats how people got busted
youre missing my point. if transactions happen peer to peer, in real life, nobody can tell for sure who holds the key. why? the last person could just have sent the bitcoin to a new wallet, and claim he spent it.
its triangulation that got people fucked.
i send you bitcoin AND AN ADRESS so you can send me the coke. in the silk road case the dealers didnt delete the adresses.
get it?

[Anonymous No.9905879]

>>9904802
>monero's already had 2-3 major privacy issues
No it hasn't. It has had one stirred up 0-mixin controversy that was patched ages ago and never would have had any real world consequences anyway because all it did was link some miners to mining pools.
>>9904802
>at some point we might find out that mixing just isn't good enough, that's the point.
Sure, but that's not a good enough reason to doubt Monero as an investment. With the current level of ring signatures and RingCT implemented, there is no way to reliably link transactions. You keep saying "if" as if its just inevitable that we'll discover quantum computing tomorrow.
>>9905739
Bitcoin isn't fungible.

[Anonymous No.9905910]

>>9905867
yes i get it. but that still limits you to only p2p transactions. making transactions to businesses or merchants (which is what majority of payments are) gives up your privacy. with your method, you would still also have to tumble the coins several times.

[Anonymous No.9905912]

>>9905879
Finally some sense. We all know the current version of monero isn’t going to be able to stay static forever. The dev community are true believers and they will adapt.

[Anonymous No.9905914]

>>9905867

please just shut the fuck up and go use your xvg/trx/whatever the fuck you want. it feels like idiocracy in here.

[Anonymous No.9905977]

>>9905867
You're missing the point about good currency coins being fungible. Bitcoin isn't fungible and the longer it exists the greater the chances are that some of the 21 million BTC will become tainted by issues that could raise LE's eyebrows. Whether you're outright implicated in doing anything wrong or not might not be an issue but you still don't want to be holding money that gets flagged. With Monero this will never be an issue, or it's extremely unlikely that it will be an issue.
>>9905912
They'll do whatever it takes to keep Monero fungible. Cryptographically secured digital cash, nothing more, nothing less.

[Anonymous No.9906010]

>>9905977
checked

[Anonymous No.9906074]

Monero is great. It's 1/3 of my folio. It's the only gold-like crypto.

[Anonymous No.9906133]

>>9905739
Chain analysis isn't hard. There's probably a YouTube video

[Anonymous No.9906950]

>>9904381

> 0.35 TPS
> futur

kek

[Anonymous No.9906963]

Stacking

[Anonymous No.9906966]

>>9906950
>closed source
/trash/
Also Monero has an adjustable blocksize so no idea where 0.35 TPS comes from.

[Anonymous No.9907022]

Thanks op just sold 100k

[Anonymous No.9907033]

>>9906966

Deluded Monero fan :
> He think Monero could reach 1500 TPS.

The truth :
> 0.35 TPS
> 1.25 TPS (with bulletproof)

Kek

[Anonymous No.9907201]

>>9904468
how do I start i already have a rig

[Anonymous No.9907592]

>>9907033
Can you source any of those claims? Oh wait, you can't, you just have an image of a fucking excel sheet. I already told you Monero blocksize is variable. The only limiting factor is bandwidth of the nodes. How is Dero so scalable if it is also as secure as Monero?

[Anonymous No.9907639]

>>9907033
Throughput literally doesn't mean shit rn. Monero only handles like 5k transactions per day. Adoption is key. Which XMR has and your shitcoin doesnt.

[Anonymous No.9907934]

>>9906963
Stop it.
Kevin hart with a Monero shirt
First Katy perry
Crypto Goin mainstream boyos

[Anonymous No.9908078]

>>9907592
How it's scalable / imune to 51% attack ?
Read the white paper about PHANTOM protocol or search about blockDAG.

> How Dero is secure ?
Easy: CryptoNote + RingCT + Bulletproof.

>>9907639
> Adoption
You mean sexual predator and drugs customers ? That's not adoption Anon, that's a niche.

> Throughput mean nothing rn
See pics. (Throughput without RingCT)

[Anonymous No.9908149]

>>9908078
Monero is basically only coin you can actually buy stuff with. Dero is purchased 100% speculatively. If you can’t see that there will always be an informal economy you are to dumb to save

[Anonymous No.9908274]

>>9905914
>everything I don’t like is idiocracy
small brain detected

[Anonymous No.9908280]

>>9906963
is this a Monero jacket or nig fashion?

[Anonymous No.9908288]

>>9908149

Do you really think to make it with a coin less scalable than Bitcoin ?

[Anonymous No.9908398]

>>9908078
>>9908288
Dero is a closed source shitcoin scam, my ESL friend.

[Anonymous No.9908459]

>>9908398
>MUH, closed source
Weak FUD. Everybody knows the code will be release with the next update. Try harder.

[Anonymous No.9908469]

>>9908280
Pretty sure that is not a monero jacket

[Anonymous No.9908502]

>>9908459
>released
Fixed.

[Anonymous No.9908544]

Monero saved my ass during my divorce.

[Anonymous No.9908749]

>>9908544
>marrying at all
ishiggy

[Anonymous No.9908859]

>>9904381
I fail to see the utility of this coin. Unless you're into very shady stuff like paying out contract killers (assassins), buying drugs or buying anything illegal so it won't be traced back to you, it's really pointless in using.

[Anonymous No.9908916]

>>9908459
Until the source code is released, it's just vaporware with a fancy whitepaper. Not sure how this is FUD when I'm just stating a plain fact.
>We have this great new cryptocurrency that's better than Monero in every way blah blah blah
>Oh cool, can I see how it works?
>No.
Yeah nah, you're a cunt.
>>9908859
So you're cool with every corporation and government knowing your spending habits, how much money you have on hand, and who you receive funds from? Worse, you're cool with random strangers knowing how much money you have after you involve them in a transaction? Because if cryptocurrency ever actually sees mainstream adoption, this will be the reality if a public ledger coin is the currency of choice.

[Anonymous No.9908924]

>>9908859
Thats the main use case of crypto dude
Bitcoin would be nothing if it wasnt used for buying drugs and shit

[Anonymous No.9908941]

>>9904381
Im in at $113. Easiest trade ever.

[Anonymous No.9908964]

>>9908916
>Because if cryptocurrency ever actually sees mainstream adoption, this will be the reality if a public ledger coin is the currency of choice.
Yeah, that's basically why its never going to be widely adopted.

[Anonymous No.9908973]

>>9908916
And I already told they'll release the code, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.9908994]

>>9908964
Maybe, but privacy coins are a second chance at getting digital cash right.
>>9908973
Pic related.

[Anonymous No.9909057]

>>9908859
>not seeing utility in privacy

[Anonymous No.9909100]

Lmao Particl is literally a better than Monero in every single way for 40x cheaper.