/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.9834210]

Don't you fuckers get it?

This was not what crypto was meant to be. Satoshi had a vision for decentralized, ungoverned commerce between individuals; a vision heavily fueled by libertarian principles. He did not seek the interest of banks - this project was a fight against the banks. This was a grassroots uprising built on man's second greatest innovation for the expansion of free thought and expression - the internet.

>muh institutional money
>muh SEC
You fucking mongs. You killed one of the only opportunities in the last 1,000 years to truly escape the power of banking families and royal elite. Satoshi strategically released this godsend of a project when faith in traditional institutions was at its lowest (post-2008). And to make it even worse, now you openly embrace their introduction into the crypto sphere. Satoshi left without a trace as soon as the CIA started showing interest, and he did so for a reason.

The only way to restore crypto to its former glory is to remove the bad actors. Roger Ver, Richard Heart, John McAfee, all these chink PnD teams, and the list goes on. They all are leaching off what was supposed to be a community-based project.

If nothing is done soon, all of crypto is doomed.

[Anonymous No.9834230]

>>9834210
Wrong there is another in the midst of this.
ICO's are comming to an END soon.
Fairly distributed wealth is indbound.
Satoshis true vision is upon us.

[Anonymous No.9834279]

>>9834230
ICOs will only come to an end due to SEC enforcement. This proves that we, as a community, were incapable of cleaning the muck out ourselves. Our failure to act cohesively only shows that we were not meant to enjoy this revolution.

[Anonymous No.9834307]

>remove the bad actors. Roger Ver,
Roger Ver is the one that actually wants crypto to be able to scale you idiot.

[Anonymous No.9834316]

theres always monero

[Anonymous No.9834323]

>>9834210
Did you honestly think the world's elites and financiers would just stand around and let that shit happen? The integration of bitcoin into the financial system was inevitable and anyone with half a brain should've seen this.

[Anonymous No.9834329]

>>9834307
>a scammer can't mask his cons with actual good intentions
Yea, go pump his moneytoken ico

[Anonymous No.9834335]

>>9834307
Increasing the block size is not a scaling solution, it's technical debt.

[Anonymous No.9834336]

>>9834210
come home libertarian man

[Anonymous No.9834340]

>>9834335
it's the original scaling solution

[Anonymous No.9834351]

>>9834323
The writing was on the wall, of course I did.
Surmounting them was nearly a possible feat, though. But we've been letting morons be our voice for far too long, and these morons are blinding the public from our true intentions.

[Anonymous No.9834354]

>>9834279
ICOs will come to an end once public and institutional investors alike realize that most of them are scams, and that cryptocurrency is way to early for many of the false promises being made for easy money. This concept will enter the social consciousness and the money will be more difficult to come by.

[Anonymous No.9834357]

Money is the root of all evil, so is bitcoin.
(((they))) are behind it. Satoshi is not here to save you, he is here to have absolute control over the entire world.

[Anonymous No.9834358]

>>9834210
Both can happen simultaneously. Banks will adopt crypto and lock out consumers and I'll buy shitcoin icos on dexs without SEC approval.
Win/win

[Anonymous No.9834364]

>>9834279
ICO's are ponzis won't be taken from us we are going to stop using them all together because they are just Millionaires doubling there money.

[Anonymous No.9834371]

>>9834210
DID HE?
SATOSHI NAKAMOTO = A HOOK TO SATANISM

[Anonymous No.9834373]

>>9834351
Fact is most people, myself included, are really just here for the money. I don't give a shit about any of the principles BTC or crypto in general really stands for. I did a while back but I just don't care anymore.

[Anonymous No.9834387]

>>9834357
no, evil is the root of all money. and the only real money is bitcoin

[Anonymous No.9834396]

>>9834357
No satoshi was experimenting for FREE taking more of the world resources than any other researcher on the planet. Millions of minds creating forks, methods, econmic studies, Implications of new found research and he got to study it all.

Satoshi knows what to do next and he has already taken the first steps in his plan.

[Anonymous No.9834447]

>>9834373
But think about it. Those types of investors were barely even around pre-2014 pump. Had ICOs and bad actors not become so prevalent, most of the crypto base would still be people who truly believe in the goals of the project itself.

[Anonymous No.9834469]

>>9834447
Yes but there's nothing new in speculation and it's just the same shit that's been done in every other tradeable market on earth throughout history. People see opportunity and jump on it without giving a shit about what their actions are doing to the group as a whole. That's just human nature, we take beautiful things and destroy them. No point being an idealist.

[Anonymous No.9834482]

>>9834469
Wrong It is the natural cycle. As a flower dies it blooms once more.

[Anonymous No.9834501]

>strawmanning an imaginary you
a good part of /biz/ understands bitcoin was the first instance of an experiment, the implementation proved corruptible (blockstream => bitcoinXT censorship) and the governance goals could never be reached
ethereum is part 2, with a three-pronged approach
>do not advocate open hostility to governments, instead offer measured compliance as a way to worm open source ethos and decentralization into society
>create obvious value beyond currency to make the network ubiquitous to society (smart contracts will be useful in every industry)
>have a non-threatening figurehead with no official leader privileges but evident moral leadership
satoshi himself foresaw much of this, you can see if you were there or even if you look at past public data with a critical eye. he was adamant bitcoin should avoid being too public early on as to not be stomped out of existence by governments. his original design allowed scripting logic and intended for bitcoin to be more than just currency. as for his anonymity, if you believe as many do he is nick szabo or hal finney, then it was merely a question of convenience and safety
in truth, ethereum doesn't innovate so much as use favorable conditions only made possible through the path bitcoin trailed
ver, mcafee, anyone involved with bitcoin is irrelevant. the people who matters are working on dapps or building the infrastructure to support it. said infrastructure isn't unstoppable yet, but the idea itself is. it's a mind virus uploaded to thousands of engineers over the world, and whether ethereum succeeds or fails you can't put the devil back in the box. there will be a successfuly crypto that will overthrow governance through the silent revolution satoshi meant from the start

[Anonymous No.9834506]

How the fuck are we supposed to break free of the banks when they have the financial weight to buy up all crypto and generate cyclical volumes?

[Anonymous No.9834582]

>>9834506
By creating things that require PoW so in the early stages of a new project the volume can only be bought up to the max amount that has been mined and in the markets. Causing the price to rise dramatically. Guess which ERC20 token was just released to solve the problems of mining where a ledger is required for a currency to survive and provide this exact same function.

[Anonymous No.9834591]

>>9834210
I blame reddit. Every single week some article with hundreds of upvotes about banks coming in or getting rid of sats and just using fiat. They are short sighted and not true believers. They have a natural inclination to being bootlickers.

[Anonymous No.9834609]

>>9834501
expand, I like your knowledge.

What do you have to say about Vitalik getting rejected by the bitcoin dev team when he requested to make ETH on BTC itself?

[Anonymous No.9834673]

>>9834506
AND BY HAVING A CURRENCY AS SMART CONTRACT IF THE BANKS OWN MOST OF THE CURRENCY THEN THEY CAN CHANGE THE CONTRACT TO CREATE A SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT CURRENCY STARTING THE POW PROCESS AGAIN.
I just realized this.

[Anonymous No.9834703]

>>9834210
Satoshi's vision to is scam retards of their money, which he managed to do very successfully.

>Inb4 early blocks are still untouched

Who says he didn't do some mining of his own? After all, the addresses are anonymous.

His true identity is also unknown, another strategy used by scammers to hide their tracks. Every Bitcoin bagholder has been played like a fiddle.

[Anonymous No.9834707]

[Anonymous No.9834719]

>>9834506
fight coin. you have to kick ass to get it. want some?

[Anonymous No.9834727]

>>9834340
correct, satoshi even talked about 100+ meg blocks

[Anonymous No.9834733]

Crypto is for degenerates doing degenerate shit.

[Anonymous No.9834736]

>>9834279
Literally what can they do? There's no stopping us

[Anonymous No.9834741]

>>9834703

[Anonymous No.9834770]

>>9834210
Bitcoin emerged immediately after the Bush administration outlawed online poker.

Satoshi was probably some California gambling addict who just wanted to play some poker.

[Anonymous No.9834844]

[Anonymous No.9834867]

>>9834210
Well then where the fuck is he to steer the coin down the right path?

[Anonymous No.9834879]

>>9834741
Lol, continue worshipping your God Emperor Satoshi.

[Anonymous No.9834880]

>>9834703
https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/

there's evidence his wallets haven't moved anything in years. Why would a scammer not use the fruits of his con labor?

[Anonymous No.9834882]

Is IOTA safe to invest in as a burger

[Anonymous No.9834892]

>>9834210
>vision heavily fueled by libertarian principles. He did not seek the interest of banks - this project was a fight against the banks. This was a grassroots uprising built on man's second greatest innovation for the expansion of free thought and expression - the internet.

s o y
Gibs me monie now fren s o y

[Anonymous No.9834905]

>>9834316
Yes xmr and its sister coin, tari

[Anonymous No.9834916]

>>9834879
Continue slaving to your overlords who have financial control over the entire planet.

[Anonymous No.9834918]

>>9834880
>there's evidence his wallets haven't moved anything in years.

What's stopping him from creating more wallets?

>Why would a scammer not use the fruits of his con labor?

Why would a scammer need to immediately use the fruits of his con labor?

[Anonymous No.9834991]

I think there's an awful lot of pessimism and saltiness in this thread that doesn't help anyone. No (You)'s for you.

There's also a lot of overreaction. Bitcoin is not going to die. Even if it went to $1000 it wouldn't die out. This is an experimental field that is very new and growing very fast and I think it's really just a matter of patience at this point. All major industries go through booms and consolidations. It happened with railroads, it happened with personal computers, and now it's happening with crypto. Remember that the only reason this thread exists is because people's perceptions have been manipulated by market manipulation. This thread would not exist if USDT did not exist, for one. Crypto would have had a much slower rise up. It got too big too fast, and ultimately, 2018 so far has just been part of that correction.

Just give it time. Hodl.

[Anonymous No.9835034]

>>9834582
This is also will send ASIC running.
NO one will spend money on miners from ASIC anymore. Since it doesn't need to mined after all the coins have been collected. Meaning that life span of an ASIC miner is only equal to the number of coins that can be mined. So if a different algo is made for an alternate coin it immediately ASIC has to spend MORE RECOURCES in order to create more different miners with the same lifespan.

[Anonymous No.9835127]

we users are currently at war with the central banks whether you realize it or not. their existence is at threat and already a coordinated effort against us is underway in the form of capital controls strangling new money attempting to flow into crypto. they have the governments onside with the constant fud about te*****m, securities and mo*** l********g forcing kyc and all sorts of shit on us. they have been unable to capture the crypto itself as they were caught off guard at the rise in crypto but are now attempting and succeeding in capturing the users with the acquisition of existing centralized exchanges. we were never meant to be able to trade cryptos without their cut and involvement and they seek to move to a system similar to the stock market where you are forced to use them as an intermediary and never hold your cryptos. only action is flee centralized exchange and embrace dex

[Anonymous No.9835231]

>>9834210
>he genuinely believes satoshi wasnt cia

hahahaha

[Anonymous No.9835260]

>>9834882
why wouldn't it be?
I put all my money in it awhile ago.
it'll pay off.

[Anonymous No.9835281]

>>9835127
Was with you until that last sentence - I think you could make a much better argument that we were never meant to be able to trade cryptos without miner and miner fee involvement which is the driving force behind decentralization supported by incentivization and that creating centralized exchanges of any kind that allows us to do so inevitably poisons the space.

Though the conclusion is the same - To preserve the spirit of this space, we need to seek decentralized solutions for everything in our future infrastructure - Want a stock-like exchange? Make a decentralized one (like IDEX). Want loans and credit cards for crypto? Find a way to achieve that using decentralized solutions. The whole thing is poisoned and will result in a clone of the Fiat->Gold paradigm if you poison it with centralization for critical operations.

The whole point was that these things don't change hands unless the owner of the private keys command it - True independence in interpersonal transactions of any kind.

[Anonymous No.9835298]

>>9834210
Nobody really knows what were Satoshi's political views. From what I've read he was very cautious with politics and tried to keep Bitcoin away from it.

[Anonymous No.9835320]

>>9835281
Furthermore, cryptos don't change hands unless the owners of the pkeys command it, and the community as a whole signs off on it, facilitated via automated decentralized technology.

>>9835298
He was pretty clear about his stance on banks, which is somewhat political. Don't think he had a reason to talk about any other politics - Simply not relevant.

[Anonymous No.9835351]

>>9834371
uhhh...

[Anonymous No.9835369]

>>9835320
Can you quote him on banks? I think most people tend to project their libertarian views on Satoshi. But he almost never expressed his views. From what I've read from him it looks like he was sympathetic of libertarianism but not a serious believer. He keep a distance from politics, for example he advised against WikiLeaks accepting donations in Bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.9835377]

>>9835281
a good argument and i concur if we dont resist and truly embrace decentralization we will get sold out and locked out

[Anonymous No.9835392]

Guys Satoshi's true vision is pic related

[Anonymous No.9835429]

>>9835369
Contained in Genesis Block's data:
>The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks.

Other quotes:

>The root problem with conventional currency is all the trust that's required to make it work.
>The central bank must be trusted not to debase the currency, but the history of fiat currencies is full of breaches of that trust.
>Banks must be trusted to hold our money and transfer it electronically, but they lend it out in waves of credit bubbles with barely a fraction in reserve.
>We have to trust them with our privacy, trust them not to let identity thieves drain our accounts.

>Yes, [we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography,] but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.
>Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own.

[Anonymous No.9835445]

>>9834210

I agree. Let the fundamentals play out. Rome wasn't built in a day brudda.

[Anonymous No.9835529]

>>9834210
We poured hundreds of billions of dollars into it. Every programmer with 2 brain cells to rub together is looking at this shit figuring out how to improve it. We dramatically, massively improved it. We went from 10 minute blocks to 0.5 second blocks (eos) with no fees. Smartcontracts are also a thing now. Intel is building these little 10 cent chips called crypto anchors that are for supply tracking on the blockchain.

Crypto isnt even doomed, you fucking shortsighted mongs seem to forget crypto always recovers and then 100x from its newest low point.

Also Nano is probably the closest coin to "satoshi's vision." Its the coin that would be easiest to use as money. Monero being in 2nd place.

[Anonymous No.9835560]

>>9834279
ICOs are already over. Anyone and everyone has realized almost all of them are scams by this point. You will notice prices immediately dump after ICO on just about every coin.

[Anonymous No.9835657]

>>9835529
You're missing two points.

One: We don't care what the stupid price does. The price is irrelevant to social adoption and is just a measure of how many people buy it as an investment to increase their Fiat stack later or some retarded shit.

In fact, full social adoption would probably enforce extremely low volatility and profitability from a trading perspective, which is a good thing.

Two: Yes, the technology will hopefully continue on by natural selection in a perfect world, but it is in fact possible for natural selection to fail if the playing field is artificially uneven. We as humans will more than likely just integrate Crypto into the system we already understand, which means it will likely be centralized all over the place, which kills the point of the crypto space - Independence and trustlessness from (((the man))).

And that's because we are bad at looking ahead into the future and making long-term good decisions in favor of short-term ones. We discount future reward at a retardedly high rate. We are monkeys who do not know what to do with this gift, and will kill our one good chance at freedom with regards to transactional functions of society.

I think that's what anons like OP, myself and others are more worried about.

[Anonymous No.9835701]

>>9835429
The Genesis block data don't mean much. He could simply have picked the first thing he saw in the news.

The other quotes depict a guy who is interested in decentralization because it's more efficient (eg it makes transactions cheaper), and not necessarily for political reasons. Blockchains can be used by governments to improve surveillance and control and to reduce spending. They aren't necessarily disruptive.

[Anonymous No.9835740]

OP here.

>>9835657
This

[Anonymous No.9835789]

>>9835657
>massive increases in price are irrelevant to social adoption

Its like youve already forgotten about the normie invasion. Also the only thing that will drive permanent sustained interest is if fiat currency implodes somehow. Currently fiat is actually working quite well all things considered.

[Anonymous No.9835919]

>>9835701
>The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks.
Just happens to be about banking... Probably not a random article. It's the Genesis Block for goodness sake.

>The central bank must be trusted not to debase the currency, but the history of fiat currencies is full of breaches of that trust.
> >We trusted them but they debase muh currency time and time again!

>Banks must be trusted to hold our money and transfer it electronically, but they lend it out in waves of credit bubbles with barely a fraction in reserve.
> >We trusted them but they took muh currency and lent it out in credit bubbles instead of keeping it for me!
> >They don't even own all the money they give out!

>We have to trust them with our privacy, trust them not to let identity thieves drain our accounts.
> >They don't have muh wellbeing in their hearts! They let theieves take muh currency because they don't make money fighting it!

>Yes, [we will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography,] but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.
> >Muh freedom! Bitcoin can make us the free-est we've ever been!

>Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own.
> >Gubment "cuts off heads" of muh open source! But gubment will never stop muh P2P networks, hahaha!

To summarize:
>Bashes the breaches of trust with banks throughout history
>Bashes the credit bubble vs fractional reserve system
>Creates an "us vs them" setup in that last quote about Gov't

There's some pretty clear sentiment that can be derived from these quotes. Of course I am exaggerating so it's more clear to any fellow autistfags reading.

[Anonymous No.9835928]

>>9835919
And again, I'm claiming his stance on basically everything but banks is inconclusive because he never mentions anything political except banks being inefficient and trust between us and them being a problem. That's his stance on banks, as far as we know, plus what little political sentiment we can see from his other quotes. Most of his communication was about the technology and less about this negative stuff, though.

[Anonymous No.9835988]

Meh, in the end he still managed to create an asset that is one of the most unconfiscatable items on earth. I don't think we as Humans, let alone even crypto enthusiasts have truly come to crips with what this means.

[Anonymous No.9836037]

>>9834210
It's a shame the majority are just in it to "make it" and not see the vision evolve into the key to our shackles. I've recently gone into Monero because it will always have a use and it's the spirit of Satoshi. I'm a lolbertarian/constitionalist and believe everyone should be able to love how they please as long as it doesn't harm others.

[Anonymous No.9836058]

>>9835919
Breaches of trust increase transaction costs. From a purely apolitical perspective, removing trust from transactions increases efficiency and reduces costs. You don't have to be a libertarian to agree with that. Banks cost us money, so decentralizing then would help the economy. Again, you don't need to be a libertarian to agree with this.

[Anonymous No.9836136]

>>9834918
It takes a special kind of scammer to have a pile of 5 billion dollars and not spend a dime of it.

[Anonymous No.9836223]

>>9836136
a DEAD one

[Anonymous No.9836649]

>>9835988
Yeah that is pretty amazing. That's precisely though why I want this community to flourish. It is amazing technology, and if implemented as it should be (decentralized and public), it would truly change the world.

[Anonymous No.9836711]

>>9834210
Greed ruins everything. I personally blame
high leveraged trading and ICOs for the demise of crypto.

No one fucking cares about anything other than going x25 long/short or whatever the fuck they doing. The world is truly fucked, and the SOLE true alternative turned into a get rich casino for fucking egotistical idiots

[Anonymous No.9836798]

>>9834506
easy, by only accepting land, gold and other finite resources (but mostly land) in exchange for ur coins, btw i already have a coin for which i only accept those

checkmate everyone.... atm i am mapping everything that exists to its rightful value and do the timespace continuum... this bit was a bit of a half-joke but i am not larping

wanna buy?

[Anonymous No.9836910]

>>9834506
Point is, you can break free from the banks. What you want is, force everyone to do the same. You are not changing the financial system with your shitcoins nobody wants. If anything, banks will start to use a form of blockchain instead of SWIFT and current money will become totally digital. You're stupid to think you'll change the system just like that, with a system that can't even function properly.

[Anonymous No.9836952]

>>9835657
>In fact, full social adoption would probably enforce extremely low volatility and profitability from a trading perspective, which is a good thing.
Imagine being this retarded

[Anonymous No.9836976]

>>9834210
You think they're the bad actors? The bad actors are the majority of people buying into crypto. They dont care about Satoshi's vision, they dont care about cryptocurrency except as a tool to make more money.

[Anonymous No.9836999]

>>9836649
Maybe humans aren’t ready for this. The tech came too early and it will be a long time before it reaches its true purpose. Right now everything tainted by greed.

[Anonymous No.9837051]

>>9836999
the god coin is mapped to each divided particle of god's consciousness and will divide at the same ratio, the time is now, the god is always

erc20 tokens are great for god

[Anonymous No.9837275]

>>9836798
>>9837051
what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.9837370]

SKY, HOLO and NEXUS the holy trinity

[Anonymous No.9837380]

>>9837275
The coin that is coming that won't be backed just by gold, won't be backed by just the economy, won't be inflated by fiat, but whos fraction will be for every "atom" in existence. Its implementation is coming. The algorithm is coming. The universe is ever-dividing consciousness, all there is. Goodbye, fake inflated money. It won't buy you God's coin.

All life is Farming. All creation is Building. All willpower is Industry. What does it spell?

https://ethplorer.io/address/0x9b417b96f280a92a282a959e5f076e9ff59bf0d4

[Anonymous No.9837393]

>>9834210
Unironically what is saving crypto is Fedcoin, I researched it and its going to revolutionize how government can manage its currency, they can program in a tax, and see exactly how they are spending and make a direct payment to education.

Everyone will have to buy into it.

[Anonymous No.9837395]

>>9837051
>god coin
Is that you Terry?

[Anonymous No.9837439]

>>9834210
Who gives a fuck about Satoshi one fucking chink is not the final deciding factor as to where crypto should go

[Anonymous No.9837461]

>>9837395
Terry is a person with free will. But his brain is a conduit for the knowledge of the universe.

[Anonymous No.9837500]

>>9837380
This is like something from a schizophrenia text hook

[Anonymous No.9837511]

>>9834210
U.S. military created onion routing for anonym communication. Is it so hard to believe that they are Satoshi?
The FED controls almost all governments and they created BTC so we can get used to cryptocurrency which they will later use to enslave us more.

[Anonymous No.9837596]

>>9837511
what about all the other 4,000+ cryptocurrencies and the ones made today and the one I might make tomorrow

[Anonymous No.9837644]

>>9834210
>>9834230
>>9834279
>The visionary creator of this revolutionary technology was too autistic and/or isolated that he believed people would do what is right against ALL of human nature as opposed to milk it for everything they possibly can

Listen, people on average still live day to day. Financially, morally, and in every other way possible. Am I supposed to believe Satoshi imagined some reality wherein people stopped being utterly worthless for even a second? He expected people to actually sacrifice and have self control?

LMAO!

If you left it up to the people (and by that I mean an average person), there would be mass starvation, chaos, death, war, etc, all in record time. Look around, people's actions speak for them. They are not to be trusted with anything at all. So you're telling me that Satoshi's intention was to 'gift' this to the people, and that they would actually do what is right with it? Do you think I'm retarded?

Even IF this was not finance based, it would have ended up just like this. But the fact is that IT IS finance based, and so there is LITERALLY ZERO chance of the people 'coming together' and doing the 'right thing', EVER. There is no fucking way it would ever happen. If you believe the people are capable of such a feat, then you are either genuinely autistic and lacking crucial analytical ability, or just sub 100 IQ.

There are probably less than 1% of people GLOBALLY who have the necessary traits, intelligence, and emotional intelligence, to understand what sacrifice means, and be WILLING to see it through. Not the word 'sacrifice' but to actually understand what it means in practice.

That is why any grand 'revolutionary' idea/movement/innovation/etc such as the 'vision' people talk about will NEVER cause such a change that the way society works changes. It will always be based on a previous version, there will never be an 'idea' that grips people in such a way so as to change EVERYTHING.

[Anonymous No.9837688]

>>9835231
It was Nakomoto SAtoshi
zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-12/exposed-real-creator-bitcoin-likely-nsa-one-world-currency

>>9835919
>Tether on brink of second billionth bailout for bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.9837702]

>>9837500
you think it can't be worked out and mapped to reality?

[Anonymous No.9837742]

>>9834880
Because despite being worshipped as some sort of god-like figure within crypto, he's actually just like every other 'billionaire' who succumbed to the numbers game that is accumulation of wealth. It's just numbers on a screen at this point, for him and everyone else. Obviously, there isn't much he can do in such a position because he can't just give it away either. So what can he do?

Well, he's either living in relative seclusion and probably not extravagantly, or he was already well off to the point he doesn't need it, and like I said, it's just a game, numbers on the screen go up and down while he lives his life anyway.

If cryptocurrency and Bitcoin in particular is definitely the future, then why would him sending every single Bitcoin in his wallets have any impact long term on Bitcoin? Obviously the price would crash, but I thought Bitcoin was the future? I thought it's only a matter of time until everyone is using it anyway?

Because he is human like anyone else and it is probably very difficult to give up such power, and just like everyone alive on Earth right now, he's corrupted just like we're all corrupted.

>Take down the banks!
>Bank the unbanked!
>Free the people of a life of debt and misery

It was a sales pitch all along, you idiots.

[Anonymous No.9837748]

>>9834210

Well what the fuck do you expect me to do about it?

[Anonymous No.9837757]

>>9837644
you sound just like every other jew out there

[Anonymous No.9837760]

>>9837742
he was already famous

[Anonymous No.9837762]

>>9837748
stop shitting on the streets, for starters, pajeet.

[Anonymous No.9837793]

If Satoshi is so kind-hearted and well meaning with his 'vision', then he would have no problem sending me 100 BTC right now:

17DKgqDwwNtmd1DwWhHuobFmvhH1JvsSh8

I mean, it's the future right? "Free" the people? Well, I'm in need of some freedom right now. Sure, the price will dip if he sends from an old wallet.. but it's the future anyway? It will recover! So why doesn't he be a man of his word and go ahead. I am 100% serious. He's posted here before, no doubt.

>>9837757
Not really.

>>9837760
I doubt, but I bet he had some notoriety in some smaller way.

[Anonymous No.9837795]

>>9837702
>>9837702
>>9837702
where is this from ? any more like this ?

[Anonymous No.9837800]

>>9837762
This.

[Anonymous No.9837806]

>>9837793
Arguably the top name in his field. World famous.

[Anonymous No.9837808]

>>9834373
Well you sad fuck, that's why we all aren't going to make it. Faggots like you and your blind, short term greed will ruin everything. We literally could be building a better future for everyone and especially YOUR wallet in the long term, but no. You had to buy things like Tron and Bitconnect. I wish I could short your existence.

[Anonymous No.9837809]

>>9837793
>But the fact is that IT IS finance based, and so there is LITERALLY ZERO chance of the people 'coming together' and doing the 'right thing', EVER

cryptocurrencies exist and function because people have come together

[Anonymous No.9837811]

So why does op think satoshi goals wont still be met?


Seems to be swimming along quite well. No forks no manipulation. No whales so banks fucking nothing has stopped btc so far.

[Anonymous No.9837812]

>>9834991

[Anonymous No.9837819]

>>9837795
http://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/why-did-tesla-say-that-369-was-the-key-to-the-universe/
image is from there, look up vortex maths

FBI coin will use vortex maths to compute the universe and assign value to its subdivisions

[Anonymous No.9837829]

>>9834591
reddit is full of shills and much more manipulated than bitcoin, you're a fucking retard if you believe anything you read there

[Anonymous No.9837841]

>>9837809
I think you missed the point. They come together for financial reward. They also pull apart for the same thing.

Until the way people view money in terms of appreciation, etc, changes, then there will be no change.

I’m sure there are small pockets of people who have come together, in the same way drug dealers and criminals come together.

[Anonymous No.9837843]

>>9837439
Satoshi = "chink". LOL

[Anonymous No.9837852]

>>9837841
it's like you think less than 1% of the world is ever going to be in crypto

[Anonymous No.9837859]

>>9837841
what happens when it's 10%?
imagine fucking 50% oh my god

[Anonymous No.9837865]

>>9834210
No one knows what the fuck is going on. All we know is kikes got involved and similar minded individuals. They saw this as unregulated and full of retard child investors. What better opportunity to take all their trading and manipulation skills to absolutely cuck us all. Fuck this, fuck the tech and the vision

I was always here to make money, I give no shits what these ponzi tokens promise. I only care about how good they sell their product so the other deluded faggots will buy my bags high. It became a greater fools market years ago, if not from the beginning.
>muh satoshis vision
Rekt

[Anonymous No.9837917]

>>9835529
Kekked
Yes anon , it alwayyysss recovers.
Think hard brainlet, these are over valued. And there is a certain point it'll stop creating bubbles. We may have hit that , if 1k wasn't massively over valued bitgoy 20k definitely was. Not much adoption going on yet is there. Truth is there are shitstains involved in the market now. Everyone and there grandma will be selling near 20k if we ever fucking get close.

Your best absolute moon shot is 20k test of top followed by massive dump. This isn't coming any time soon btw

[Anonymous No.9837926]

>>9837852
No, I’m saying the inclination to fuck others will never not be present, because it’s human nature and the ability to be human and not fuck people requires a discipline, sacrifice, and drive that not many people have. That’s why those monks shave their heads and isolate themselves totally, or ommm or whatever the fuck.

So with regards to OP’s post, it really doesn’t matter if banks are welcomed in now or later, because it will only end up like that again anyway no matter what happens.

People will use it, but the idea it will be respected or adopted/used with care is delusional.

[Anonymous No.9837927]

>>9835529
False false and more false. Most programmers already know that blockchain tech is garbage and fundamentally can not scale as wel as existing technologies. 99%+ of programmers dont give a shit about “trustlessness”. Im a lead distributed systems engineer and we make fun of you dumbass, technologically illiterate plebs at work. Doesnt mean we disnt buy the hype tho. I personally bought in november despite bitcoin being on my radar since 2012. The reason I finally pulled the trigger was when I saw coinbase was the #1 trending app on the app store. I bought litecoin at 120$ and literally a week later it hit 300. Sold in December and never looked back because I know its all built on empty promises and vaporware. I only invested about 10K because I was being cautious. One of my coworkers made 300K on etherium tho. Read hacker news blockchain discussions. A large majority of actual distributed systems engineers are very bearish on blockchain and the few figureheads in blockchain are basically reject engineers

[Anonymous No.9837936]

>>9837808
>implying I ever bought either of those shitcoins

Stop getting emotional about investing & speculation you brainlet

[Anonymous No.9837989]

>>9837926
yeah you still just sound jewish

https://youtu.be/NqxovpWcOJ4
https://youtu.be/NkNgaAYbVGU
https://currencyindependence.com/read-en.html
https://fnordprefekt.de/

personally, I think the citizens of this world are going to snatch their "leaders" from their homes and publically excute them

it'll all be filmed and shown as an example of what happens when you fuck over 7 billion people

[Anonymous No.9838031]

>>9834371
Wut?

[Anonymous No.9838044]

Who cares if people launch ICOs? How does that kill the market?

We can still have Satoshi's vision even if scumbags do pathetic and scammy shit with blockchains.

[Anonymous No.9838058]

>>9837927
so many things wrong with your post I don't know where to start. Working with many programmers in sillycunt valley, many are enthusiastic, the tech makes sense and is being adopted. some of my og chan frens from 10+ years ago have now unironically made it and went from coding by day + shitposting by night to quitting their programming jobs and working on crypto fulltime. A lot of people made millions. Mansion $. Now imagine all you have to do is stake what you have for a passive six figures+ annually. That's where we're at right now. I will agree that many projects are hyped bullshit that exist solely as a moneygrab....but there are many teams doing great work and blockchain is being adopted in many industries (logistics for example blockchain is extremely useful)
>reject engineers
go easy on yourself anon, I have hope for you!

[Anonymous No.9838089]

>>9837989
>Tim Draper who also shilled vechain (most delousion HODLers in crypto), tezos (virtually worthless), and theranos (fraud)
>Antop who believed in bitcorn so much that he had to have his fanboys donate to him to become a millionaire at the ATH, which he promptly SODL
>"currency independence" by mcshillfe?

[Anonymous No.9838097]

KILL YOUR LEADERS GOYIM ALSO POST YOUR BLOCKFOLIO AND IP ADDRESS

[Anonymous No.9838098]

>>9838031
anagram frend
look it up, its the only anagram besides major tech companies combined that makes sense
when you factor in the mark of the beast prophecy....wellllllllllll
it kinda makes sense.

[Anonymous No.9838132]

>>9838089
>crypto will eclipse fiat, fact
>Andreas didn't ask for donations; the community suddenly found out he wasn't a millionaire so they turned him into one overnight
>are you against currency independence?

[Anonymous No.9838142]

>>9838058
Sure, some programmers may think crypto is great. I would have thought that too if I saw still in college. You need actual experience specifically in distributed systems to understand how shitty bitcoin is. There are so many draw backs just to achieve "trustlessness" which, by the way, 99% of people don't give a fuck about (we have many ways in business already to establish trust, its essentially a solved problem and the only people who care are Libertarian losers or generally societal rejects). Example: from a consumer perspective Venmo is already better than Req. You can request and send money, its free, and there are safeguards incase of fraud, etc. From the business's standpoint its better to not use blockchain tech: it gives you better control over the hardware (btw, you tech plebs don't even realize how beneficial this is since you've never tried to run a job on non-homogenous hardware then see your job get skewed to hell by the 1 slow reducer), and don't need to concern yourself with tokenomics/blockchain problems. This is not even mentioning how poorly blockchain scales in both storage and network cost.

[Anonymous No.9838146]

>>9838142
words fall from mouth like shit from ass

[Anonymous No.9838157]

>>9838097
give it ten years, tops

[Anonymous No.9838163]

>>9834210
It doesn't matter what satoshis vision was.

[Anonymous No.9838465]

>>9838142
Not necessarily better when you can cut out the cost of a middleman and their insurance teams entirely by guaranteeing trustlessness automatically. It's basically automating insurance and numerous other jobs, just like we automated most of assembly line production.

The CEOs really start to listen when you start talking about cutting large chunks of cost out of their pipeline.

[Anonymous No.9838558]

>>9837793
Jew

[Anonymous No.9838641]

>>9838558
You never know your luck

[Anonymous No.9838659]

>>9834210
Everyone who doesn't really see what's happening here is a fucking idiot.

We are about to see the greatest transfer of wealth history has ever seen. If you understood the state of the world right now you would realise that the majority of the world is controlled by energy. Block chain can take away the need for so much wasted energy and can even make it cheaper (power ledger). If we continue the way we are going with coal and oil being our largest resource for revenue we will no doubt see the destruction of our entire planet. However I don't see this as the case I imagine that governments will take on board the need of the people. We are coming to an era where energy will mostly be free and we will be creating a peer to peer ecosystem rather than an industry dominated one.
This has to happen for humanity to thrive.
Unless the kikes keep going the way they are (which will lead to the inevitable destruction of our planet regardless).
I don't believe they will allow this though those greedy motherfuckers want their family blood lines to carry on.
Right in this moment of the crypto space we are seeing these people shake out the majority of the market in order to acquire the majority of this new found system of wealth. It's easy for them because they saw it coming around 2011, and I wouldn't even doubt if these greedy Kikes caused the Mt Gox hack in the first place. They most likely already own 70% of the market and are trying to get a much larger number.

Now that being said, they will probably try use this new found technology against us. Projects like Civic, The key and other blockchain identification systems should be avoided. Also Ncash and any other futuristic spooky technology. This amazing thing we call block chain can be taken to the people's advantage or used against us. It's up to us to fight back now. It doesn't matter what price bitcoin is tomorrow or in a month from now, as long as you don't sell and let them get control you don't lose.

[Anonymous No.9838695]

>>9838659
why the fuck would there be some great transfer of wealth

[Anonymous No.9838700]

>>9838659
So let me get this straight

Satoshi gives people bitcoin
Then the people give it to the banks
Then the people need to take it back from the banks?

Sounds like you summed up the human condition bro very accurate unironcally

[Anonymous No.9838740]

>>9834609
this was already a consequence of the blockstream takeover, with their intent to limit opcode functionality whereas vitalik wanted to rely on that. buterin rightfully saw the bitcoin internal politics as a massive attack vector against innovation
without supporting or denying theories about secret bilderberg projects to bring down bitcoin, there's a convincing narrative in painting blockstream as a myopic group who sees bitcoin as digital currency/gold rather than revolution and wants to restrict any additional functionality for the sake of security

[Anonymous No.9838741]

If someone created a technology that achieved world peace instantly if you pressed a button, people would still reject it and say it’s a worthless scam and we’re happy with what we’ve got

Wonder how those people will be viewed in history. Or say if a 1000 years from now Scientology btfos every other religion.. everyone criticising it now become those people

[Anonymous No.9838774]

>>9838695
Because Digital assets are the future. It might not be any crypto currency that exists on the market right now, and its definitely not bitcoin. But these are the future assets we're going to run out of oil/coal/gold/silver and any of these other bullshit useless commodities within OUR LIFETIME. There has to be a change and i see Digital assets as the future.
>Think about it.

[Anonymous No.9838794]

>>9838740
I too own bch

[Anonymous No.9838795]

>>9838700
Satoshi never gave anyone anything he just saw how flimsy the stock market was and the current financial system. He paved the way for the future of assets and guided the very first step into the it. I believe Bitcoin is having a shakey year because this will be one of its last. It is virtually worthless in the scheme of things and miners will be shifting their power to other projects which will most likely run the decentralised future. Bitcoin won't always remain king.

[Anonymous No.9838815]

motherfuckers theres a walmart in every town but you cant see theres a problem with wealth distribution. once all of the wagecucks come out of the woodwork and demand their humanity, these technologies will get attention along with anything else that is clearly good for the people long term but potentially risky to implement. If you let big bank take little bank, you are basically letting them steal from you. my advice is to get a job, sell your shit, do whatever to accumulate chainlink and whatever else you believe in before the clock strikes zero, and big bank goes all in. warren buffet called bitcoin rat poison to fud it. he's trying to make a killing and knows this market is dominated by smart, young people, with internet connections. fill your bagginses every time the price drops.

[Anonymous No.9838818]

>>9838774
Yeah that's fine but what I don't understand is why poor people would be holding all these digital assets of the future?

[Anonymous No.9838830]

>>9838815
>THIS
>THIS
>THIS
>THIS
THINK ABOUT IT YOU BRAINLETS. Every year the exact same thing happens. You think its over because all the normies are in you're all fucking idiots. Its over when we reach a minimum of a 5 trillion dollar market cap and maybe even then its only just begun.

[Anonymous No.9838852]

>>9834210
thank you for posting that, as you attempted to play the victim. the fact that you have no constructive input (still) shows your true colors. If you were truly interested in helping us you would have been excited and hopefully enquire as to what is being built at 10grans.cash. Even possibly want to collaborate. At the very least throw ideas around. I will ask you politely once to go find somebody elses's ass to stick your nose in. i don't have time for children like yourself. If you are starving for attention than you can act like an adult and I would have no problem interacting with you. More often than not nerds like yourself act out as if Daddy isn't giving you the attention that you want. Your personality will take this as far as you possibly can. It will escilate; this I have experienced. You will behave very maliciously. So, please cut the drama as I don't have time for it.
On a side note: Unfortunately there is going to be a lot of nerds causing drama as they see their profits reverse course heading straight for the shitter. This is a good thing for those of use that want this tech to succeed. It will take out the human garbage. I do suspect a shit ton of more drama in crypto this year. Little boys flip out when they realize their little life savings is GONE. They flip out when they realize they have made poor choices in life. This will be an interesting year as the little boys will start crying to mommy and finger pointing.

[Anonymous No.9838858]

you cant understand why a college kid beating his face against a keyboard for $10/hr wouldnt spend half his day trying to decide where to invest what little mr. shekelstein decides i squeezed out of him at the end of every week. thats what this market is dominated by. what? your nan downloading colx, sky, stellar wallets? your aunt got a thumb drive with 30 bitcoin sitting on it that you dont know about?

[Anonymous No.9838862]

>>9838818
Its not about the poor people, Do you see poor people buying gold? (maybe from a jeweller GOYS). Do you see poor people owning shares in Coal?, Not in a million years do they consume it however, yes. Do you see people owning shares or oil companies. No, Do you see them consume it? yes..

This isn't going to be a transfer from the poor to cryptocurrency this will be the big bankers. All the people running these ops trying to get their share in the future trading economy. These rich people will be operating the nodes, They'll be running the mining rigs and they will control vast shares of the market. And the poor people will pay the GST % to consume the products. Its just a matter of realising it and not being one of these poor people.

[Anonymous No.9838895]

old people with all their old money hate crypto cause they prolly gonna die before they could ever spend the gains. wait til they have to adopt. or until its so easy to adopt that you'd be stupid not to. look at the monaco wallet. literally collab with visa. you can pre-register for a physical wallet now. plastic one is free. we're getting close. just need more elderly to die off and less pajeet schemes in the market

[Anonymous No.9838903]

>>9838895
Exactly, why else would SEC be trying to regulate the market now?, they could've done it years ago.
They saw this coming

[Anonymous No.9838906]

>>9838895
Bruh Monaco is confirmed scam

[Anonymous No.9838931]

you're confusing new rich to new new rich.

new rich was greedy because they knew no other way. the tech wasnt around.

new new rich will be young, over-educated, unburdened by children, and capable of instant trasfers of wealth. those transfers of wealth can be viewed by anyone capable of looking at the blockchain ledger. this makes it transparent, safe, fair. everyone knows the odds or the value of anything. Or you could believe the fud, wait until the price goes to a point that you dont think its worth investing anymore, and curse urself into the dirt.

[Anonymous No.9838941]

smart contracts people. smart contracts for all of these technologies

[Anonymous No.9838970]

bruh dont care if its a scam. put your eggs in 100 baskets, with a majority of those eggs in 10 baskets. those baskets are wallets, exchanges and such. those eggs are cryptocurrencies. if monaco goes to zero i dont care. its just i think i'm more likely to find a comfortably high price point to sell at before that happens. of course. even if i do sell. i'll still keep some in the wallet. what if monaco is the future. it moves pretty damn fast dood

[Anonymous No.9838978]

>>9838931
Children aren’t a burden you numale
But go ahead and extinct yourself anyway it’s for the best

You’ll be the first in an ubroken chain to not reproduce since life on earth began

[Anonymous No.9839009]

>>9834210
>You killed
Sure is because of an autistic anime forum that institutions are getting involved.

[Anonymous No.9839019]

never have i ever said that you can never, under any circumstances reproduce. I simply stated that if you could not ensure that child a 100% paid for life before you cum in your wifes vagina, then maybe you should hold off or rethink what you want out of life. anything else is a selfish risky way to live life. having a kid is like buying a crypto really high out of the current price point and then expecting yourself to not lose TOO much money on your investment

[Anonymous No.9839036]

like oh shit is my kid going to turn out to be wojack coin or 2011 bitcoin. either way, you're stuck with a bag

[Anonymous No.9839055]

>>9838862
So what is the transfer supposed to be? From banks to miners? What is it you think banks actually do anon? For ausfags their biggest business is mortgages, they couldn't give a shit if you're using valuable, trusted FIAT currency or worthless Bit Coins. The transfer would be large quantities of discounted shitcoins from miners to banks then to you at market with an interest rate on top.

[Anonymous No.9839135]

>>9838142
this post is nothing but condescending rambling.
>YOU must still be in college because YOU dont understand how shitty blockchain is because YOU haven't worked in DISTRIBUTED SYSTEMS like EYE have.

take a shower, hit the weights, have sex and get off your high horse. geek

[Anonymous No.9839218]

>>9837644
This guy fucks. Except the problem you're describing isn't really a problem at all.

21 million BTC/all human wealth = way more than its current value over time. Fomo is going to grow exponentially, just be glad you're a part of this

[Anonymous No.9839230]

>>9838852
10grannies are always so hostile

[Anonymous No.9839281]

>>9838146
Great show

[Anonymous No.9839369]

>>9838978
Life on earth began well before humans.
P.s. there is no god.

[Anonymous No.9839499]

Hey frens just came to show you these sick clothes i bought from crypto all thx to satochink niggatomato

[Anonymous No.9839568]

>>9834210
Cool words, but it doesn't really work like that
>remove the bad actors
Yeah wtf lol, how do you suppose that is done?

[Anonymous No.9839579]

>>9834210
Oyrah and crypto is heavily flooded by racists and white supremacists, you think they give a fuck about any of this but making money to fuel their political activities?

It's a ponzi dude, Satoshi even reserved himself 1million BTC.

[Anonymous No.9839602]

>>9839369

>implying you aren’t the descendent of a direct line of ancestry all the way to the first microbe on Earth

I don’t even have a big enough brainlet image to post with this.

[Anonymous No.9839620]

>>9839499
Lol

[Anonymous No.9839661]

>>9834210
Great post, the only thing I don't agree with is the bch bashing. Crypto has been a teacher of how stupid and greedy people actually are.

>>9834373
Then go fuck yourself, you are the problem.

[Anonymous No.9839716]

>>9834210
Shut the fuck up op what do you know. They'll never let go of ua they own us. All of us biz brainlets shit in the same pot, roll in it and eat from it. We're worthles even if all of us would be combined in 1 dipshit cumbag we still wouldn't equal one of their geniuses.

[Anonymous No.9839737]

>>9834210
Roger Ver is one of the only people still fighting for the libertarian principles of bitcoin you absolute brainlet.

[Anonymous No.9839758]

>>9839737
lol

[Anonymous No.9839769]

>>9834210
Roger Ver is the guy who wants what you're talking about, Satoshi Wright wants to become the new elite

[Anonymous No.9839864]

>>9834340
It's not a solution, it's a lazy approach anyone could make.

[Anonymous No.9839889]

>>9834230
kys nigger.

[Anonymous No.9839906]

>>9834703
You sound like a pissed CIA faggot.

[Anonymous No.9839912]

>>9834210
Unironically this is the answer to Satoshis problem

[Anonymous No.9840455]

Then you Buy some Monero and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.9840540]

>>9837742

Reminder that cynicism is the hardest illness to cure. That even should paradise ever be reached, the tragedy of the cynic is that he will not see it. This is also why sin is bad FYI, when a person sins, engages in lust or greed etc, it is not evil because it is fundamentally “changing” some score card. It is evil because it grows cynicism in our hearts, we cannot look at someone else without believing the same greed and lust lies within their hearts. It is not that god chooses not to save sinners, it is that he *cannot* save sinners (since he is unwilling to alter free will) and that even were god to allow sinners into paradise they would see before themselves only degeneracy and sin hiding underneath perfection.

Don’t let yourselves be cynical anons.

[Anonymous No.9840560]

decentralized exchanges
decentralized icos
its already here but of course you retards go the centralized way

[Anonymous No.9840880]

>>9838089
Also invested in bancor

[Anonymous No.9841255]

this
futures were a trojan horse
now big exchanges are investigated for manipulation
they are now applying regulation rules to an unregulated market
fuck this, all of it