/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.9702170]

TAXES ARE FUCKING UNFAIR!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.9702238]

Move to jungle or an inhabited island, problem solved.

[Anonymous No.9702252]

taxation is theft
prove me wrong (you can't)

[Anonymous No.9702275]

s-stupid goy we need to tax you 50% of your income and then another 20% on everything you buy so YOU can have roads
YOU should be GRATEFUL for us willingly taxing you

[Anonymous No.9702341]

Heh... remember all those times you “tethered” up? Boom taxable event

[Anonymous No.9702348]

>>9702341
No, it's not. USDT is not a legal tender, brainlet.
also
>paying taxes on crypto
top lel

[Anonymous No.9702426]

>>9702341
LOL wtf
NO ONE is paying that
period
say what you want that is just simple absolute fact, that nobody will pay that.
>in b4 a million threats
>garnish my celery
doesnt matter, nobody is going to fucking pay that. period. ever. not happening. nobody. you taxfags need to get realistic.

[Anonymous No.9702561]

>Is in favor of crypto
>Makes rightful gains
>Gives part of them away to a state that doesnt even understand the underlying tech


Oh you uncultured swine

[Anonymous No.9702570]

>>9702341
pfffffttthahahahaha oh wait you're american..HAHAHAHAHAHAA

[Anonymous No.9702571]

>>9702170
Why don't we all just agree to not pay taxes?

Wouldn't that completely and utterly BTFO the government and have the scrambling to appease us? Remember they might print the money but their checks come from us. Make em sweat.

[Anonymous No.9702622]

>>9702571
they only managed to collect crypto taxes on i think 400 people in 2017, just 100 in 2015

basically already nobody is paying

i dont think they even want us to pay. i think they just want to make everything as difficult as possible so they can scare people away from crypto with threats of an impossible to understand tax minefield.

nobody understand these taxes, weve got experts arguing over what they think the taxes mean but nobody can say with any certain, unless theyre arrogant you know how confident people are they always think theyre right. but generally speaking nobody knows how these taxes work and i think thats by design.

[Anonymous No.9702679]

>>9702170
How often do you use roads anon?

[Anonymous No.9702703]

>>9702679
Lmao. Maybe 3% of tax revenue goes to infrastructure. The vast vast majority goes to free gibs for blacks and the military. To keep you safe, goy

[Anonymous No.9702713]

>>9702348

It’s crypto. It’s a crypto to crypto transaction, brainlet. The moment you exchange an asset you have made gains in to tether, that’s a capital gains taxable event. Enjoy your jail time tax evader

[Anonymous No.9702716]

>>9702622
Remember the tax FUD earlier this year. I hope all of those anons got raped to death.

[Anonymous No.9702726]

>>9702713
i.e this faggot

[Anonymous No.9702743]

>>9702716
>>9702726

Lol this kind of arrogance is going to fuck you up big time when the IRS comes knocking. And they will come knocking.

[Anonymous No.9702760]

>>9702170
You don't like paying taxes? What're you a banker or something? Jesus Christ. Rich sleazebags like you need to be thrown out a plane. You're stealing from schools when you don't pay your taxes and the American people.
Me Undies! Me Undies. ZIP............................................................. RECRUIT.er.


LAAAAAADIES.

[Anonymous No.9702934]

>>9702743
it doesnt matter, you dont understand. you can jail someone for life, every person that doesnt pay taxes on this gets shot instantly. it still wont matter. NOBODY is going to pay taxes on this except for maybe a couple hundred kiss asses every year. nobodies paying now, nobody will pay in the future. because its retarded and everyone agrees. its a complicated comvoluted fucktarded tax system as far as crypto is concerned. charging taxes on tethering? really? nobody is going to pay that. put a fucking gun to their head and they wont pay it, they will just drop out of crypto if anything. but theyre not paying that. i dont think you get it at all

[Anonymous No.9702968]

Did /biz/ just figure out that government is a protection racket?

[Anonymous No.9702973]

>>9702743
go ahead, talk more about how the thieves are coming to knock on my door and randomly take my money for stupid reasons like tethering. oh yeah ill totally bend over for that, oh yes please rape me mr taxman. fuck off. nobodies paying, so you tell your boss to make some reasonable easy to understand tax laws or dont even fucking bother. because nobdy is paying taxes on tethering im sorry theyre just not going to do that, you can threaten to kill them and they still wont pay. because everyone understands its retarded and your little threats are just pissing us off.

most of us would be glad to pay taxes if the taxes were simple and easy and straightforward and fair. but no, the tax situation is the exact opposite in every way and no one is inclined to bend over for that. only 400 people paid taxes last year on crypto lol, go ahead and knock on those doors, people would rather die then pay you. for real

[Anonymous No.9703149]

>>9702973

Your argument “I’m not paying taxes because it’s not easy and not everyone is doing it” and “muh corrupt” tax system is not a good enough excuse. Billions upon billions of dollars in unreported capital gains are going uncollected every year. The government is going to want its share one way or another.

[Anonymous No.9703202]

how do i avoid paying taxes

[Anonymous No.9703268]

>>9703149
vote with your feet -> move away from that shithole 3rd world kike country and renounce citizenship

[Anonymous No.9703306]

>>9702170
Don't be a sexist and racist. Single mothers and immigrants desperately need your money.

[Anonymous No.9703366]

>>9702341
>tfw you will never ever EVER be american
>tfw if someone gave you an American citizenship you would outright reject it
>tfw you don't have THE citizenship with the most legal liabilities in the planet
>tfw the US ZOG doesn't own your ass
Feels fantastically wonderful to be honest famiglia.

[Anonymous No.9703373]

>>9702170
life is unfair, bitch.
it's not fair you weren't born during the plague or in a utopia in the far future.

fuckin deal with it or try to change it, kiddo.

oh wait, that's what you're doing by trying to make people feel like it's unfair to pump sentiment against taxes nvm lol

[Anonymous No.9703390]

>>9702170
who is going to pay for jamal's sons? we need taxes

[Anonymous No.9703398]

the state wants its citizens to be financially transparent and accountable while the state is not financially transparent and accountable

and finances wars, covert operations, drug cartels, and obvious corruption

if you chose to not pay taxes, dont get caught. the states of this world are the biggest force wielding organizations on the planet.

[Anonymous No.9703420]

Taxes are what makes you hate lazy poors. Living of my labor. I think it was one reason why our fellow Führer got so many excited about the concept of finally getting rid of leeches.

[Anonymous No.9703442]

>be British
>wagecuck
>pays 93.73 per month in NI and 92.4 in tax
>literally work to death to earn fuck all
>tax goes out of my hands before I even see it
>into a pensioners and into my weed smoking neet dole friends hand with no change.

[Anonymous No.9703446]

Theft is unfair, yes.

[Anonymous No.9703498]

>>9702252
Private property is a construct that I don't have to respect
Prove me wrong (you can't)

[Anonymous No.9703531]

>>9703498
Yeah, except private property’s natural counterpart is called territory and if you fuck with somebody’s territory you are gonna get fucked up physically. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.9703572]

>>9703366
>muh land of the free
>can't even invest your OWN FUCKING MONEY IN WHATEVER YOU WANT
>gubbermint has to protect you for your own good oy vey
>have to bend over backwards for all kinds of shit and fuckery

[Anonymous No.9703576]

>>9702934
once the whole world economy is based on privacy coins, and all commerce is out of reach of the state for taxation,

who will finance the state, and how?

state as in roads, hospitals, schools

[Anonymous No.9703588]

>>9703268
theres a tax for that, and there there are taxes for a long period after you do this

[Anonymous No.9703761]

>>9703576
Private sector will handle those much more efficiently. Take a look at public roads vs road toll roads.

[Anonymous No.9704258]

>>9703576
>state as in roads, hospitals, schools
always this same argument when even in some of the best value for tax countries like scandinavia less than 20% of taxes collected goes towards these things

[Anonymous No.9704343]

>>9703531
And you're on your country's territory.

[Anonymous No.9704352]

>>9703576
u are a fucking retard. Personal income tax does none of those things, you realize personal income tax is one tiny slice of the pie and corporate tax, property tax, sales tax, is going nowhere any time soon, that's what funds your stupid fucking roads and fuck sakes man private industry would do it bettery anyway

[Anonymous No.9704354]

>>9702170
No they aren't.
Stop being such a child anon.
Surely the US is not that much worse than Australia.

[Anonymous No.9704365]

>>9702341
Mutt detected!!! Ahaha

[Anonymous No.9704456]

>>9702348
lol being this retarded

taxation of capital gains has nothing to do with legal tenders status -- all personal property is taxed as capital gains. Even fucking furniture. Bitcoin, Tether, gold, anything/everything is personal property.

[Anonymous No.9704464]

>>9704352
>>9704258
>>9703761
i share the opinion that we pay waaay too much income tax in developed nations
who came up with that shit anyway? im willing to buy tax when i buy a house or smth like that
or when i hold property for long, unproductively. i get that. but deciding ther eis a minimum wage and then siphoning off 40% of that wage seems ricidulous

[Anonymous No.9704521]

Did my taxes two days ago and felt damn good about making a contribution to society!

[Anonymous No.9704560]

>>9704521
kek

[Anonymous No.9704572]

>>9702252
Living in a society costs money.
You are paying to be a part of a society.

Taxes are your fee for living in a society.

[Anonymous No.9704582]

Coinbase reports sending to other exchanges as a “sell” > taxable event

[Anonymous No.9704600]

>live in a 3rd world country
>laugh at a 1st world country

Land of the free ladies & gents

[Anonymous No.9704605]

>yuros from the land of 56% effective tax rates think they're better off then Americans

or are there actual subhuman thirdies ITT?

[Anonymous No.9704624]

>>9702170
>tfw only 1% cryptotax

[Anonymous No.9704872]

>>9704521
Your hard earned money went to shaniqua so she can buy fresh Js and get her weave did. How do you feel?

[Anonymous No.9704886]

>>9704572
Why don't the nigs have to pay? Why doesn't Amazon have to pay? Seems like it's only the good goyim...

[Anonymous No.9705037]

>>9702170

[Anonymous No.9705170]

>>9703576
crowdfunding using REQ

[Anonymous No.9705204]

>>9704572
Living in a plantation costs money.
You are paying to be part of the plantation.

Enslavement is your fee for living in a plantation.

[Anonymous No.9705261]

>>9703498
The concept of homicide is a legal typification that I don't have to respect.
Therefore if I put a bullet through the back of your head it's not homicide.

Prove me wrong (pic related)

[Anonymous No.9705264]

>>9702170
Shaqueesha needs gibs for her kids anon

[Anonymous No.9705542]

>illegals in USA
>dont pay taxes

So what you're saying is the beaners got it all figured out?

[Anonymous No.9705555]

Not really. Without taxes you would get buttfucked by anybody.

[Anonymous No.9705657]

>>9703390
The same people that increase police presence in his ghetto shithole while overcrowding and underfunding the public schools he attends which do nothing but prepare him for a factory job in a future without factories.

[Anonymous No.9705767]

I have been talking to people and I have been looking around all over the place in the scene looking for signs that people are actually paying crypto taxes. I dont think anyone actually is. You can argue if we should or not. You can argue the importance of paying taxes. You can argue that the IRS will come for you. Sure. Go for it guys.

Literally nobody is paying it. I don't think it has to do with wanting to overthrow the government or because taxation is theft. Nope, nothing. Its just a giant blank slate and nobody is bothering to do shit. The number of people on /biz/ is fucking insanely tiney and the number of people talking about crypto in general is too. steemit just got 1 million subscribers. They don't even know that its taxed at all.

People who play video games don't pay taxes. nobody is taking the idea that digital goods are taxed seriously. Its just not happening. Look at all of the big names in crypto. They are not paying taxes. They never bring the topic up at all on their twitters. Is Dan Larimer talking about the massive taxes for 4 billion eth he accumulated? Nope. crickets.

These threads are worthless. Nobody is taking this shit seriously. NOBODY.

[Anonymous No.9706127]

>>9705767There is a silent revolution going on. People are not going to fight their governments, they are just going to ignore them, to keep their stuff out of their reach.No revolts, no protests, no shooting at government officials. This is how things actually are going to come crashing down. Governments at some point are going to be so bankrupt that they won't even be able to afford goons anyone can shoot at. This is how they will actually dissolve, though it'll happen very slowly.

[Anonymous No.9706258]

>>9706127
I am definitely observing this. And I don't even think its a "movement" its just people not really giving a shit. And soon a growing number of people wont even have bank accounts or even phone numbers. If they do have have numbers it might not even be attached to a phone. It might literally be just a number so you can tell people you have one.

I am seeing mass ambivalence. And then maybe a few tax threads crop up on /biz/. I don't even think the topic would be discussed at all if it wasn't for /biz/. It comes up on reddit but reddit is a shit hole filled with larpers and salty nocoiners. Its 2018 and most tax professionals are still inexperienced with crypto taxes.

It feels like a huge amount of talk with pretty much zero action. On all sides.

[Anonymous No.9706277]

>>9705555

without taxes i could be a cryptowarlord with a harem of 256 virgins and a PMC running an ethnostate

[Anonymous No.9706341]

>>9705767
I paid all most $35K in cyrpto taxes this year. The onerous to report is on the individual. IDk about other countries but the IRS will track your social media and then seize your assets if your returns dont match your spending. People not reporting must not like spending money or they aren't really making any.

[Anonymous No.9706383]

>>9706341
Sure, and you literally didnt have to because the ratio is 10000/1
The funny part is, you claim to be 10000/1 AND YOU ARE PROBABLY LARPING!! hahahaha

Even the one guy who claimed he paid is full of shit HAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.9706386]

>>9706341
>the IRS will track your social media and then seize your assets if your returns dont match your spending
>your social media
>implying

[Anonymous No.9706429]

>>9703576
>roads
Roads are 5% of ~7% sales tax. If you spend $15,000 in a year, that's $63 dollars per year for your roads.
>schools
school is 25%, around $260/year.
>hospitals
Medical bills and health insurance (scams) already exist. Hospitals aren't funded by the state.

[Anonymous No.9706431]

>>9705767

According to some stats I've seen I think it was like 5-10% of people who own crypto actually pay taxes on it lol.

[Anonymous No.9706452]

But then again if like <1% of the population owns crypto it's not that big of a deal yet I guess.

[Anonymous No.9706453]

they dont want your tax money
they want to make it as complicated and weird and difficult as possible with everybody arguimg about how the taxes are paid and what you owe because nobody is able to know for sure.

they dont want your money. they just want to be difficult. they just want to drag their feet and try to scare away investors with complicated taxing schemes nobody understands.

but instead of scaring people, theyre just not getting paid and nobody cares. good game fiat fucks, but you lose.

now admit your loss, make the taxes simpler, or get nothing. fuck all. no matter what punishments you send out nobodies going to bend over backwards to try and figure this shit out. the crypto investors are not boomer faggots that automatically bend over backwards to suck government oppressor dick.

>muh streets, muh hospituls
you can get your tax money, but not when you act like big babies throwing a tantrum and making it as difficult as possible to pay you

[Anonymous No.9706465]

>>9706431
Its much less. Nobody can quantify who has crypto right now. so its 10-15% of the people who are on some kind of record.

[Anonymous No.9706486]

>>9706465

True, the stats were from Finland only I think it was only 3000 people who paid taxes on crypto lol.

[Anonymous No.9706535]

>>9702170
> tfw owe 45k to irs

[Anonymous No.9706544]

>>9706453
actually, it might already be too late for that
people have gotten used to the tax situation being retarded and incomprehensible and theyve gotten used to the idea of just giving up on even trying to figure it out. so, its too late. everyones already gievn up on taxes, even the people who wanted to pay. its over. people will switch to crypto, they will stop using banks, they will stop paying taxes, governments will crumble. oh well, its the future they chose.

[Anonymous No.9706559]

Also guys, how does one even reckon taxes for Poss staking rewards?

[Anonymous No.9706564]

>>9706559
who knows, who cares
people talk about taxes but nobody is paying
so, fuck it.

[Anonymous No.9706574]

>>9706559
PoS*

[Anonymous No.9706582]

>>9706486
Think about it like this. Crypto is pretty debilitating when it comes to taxes. We know that its very easy to end up in a situation where you owe more than you even have post a sizable correction.

When is the last time a project had to be canceled or was shutdown due to taxes? When is the last time a big name in the crypto sphere was effected by taxes? When did taxes ever come up in any actual conversations other than /biz/ fud posts?

Ripple has a massive escrow of xrp they gain access to every month. Icos are just cropping up like wildfire all over the place. EOSDAC just get 45 million in fund raising.

Not a peep. Only place you even see this discussed is /biz/
Nobody is paying. Literally nobody is paying. Ripple would be shut down instantly the moment they began to even look at the topic seriously. Roger Veer would be in prison for tax evasion.

This entire topic is a fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.9706586]

>>9704572
I didn't consent to living in a society that doesn't let you make fun of Muslims and Planet of the apes.

[Anonymous No.9706596]

>>9702571
Fuck off FBI I pay all my taxes :^)

[Anonymous No.9706600]

>>9706341
>the IRS will track your social media
fake

[Anonymous No.9706610]

>>9702170
How high are the taxes in europe?

[Anonymous No.9706661]

>>9702170

[Anonymous No.9706673]

>>9706586
thing is she was making fun of someone with radical islam policies, like the muslim brotherhood, which is basically a terrorist organization. and this woman, who looks white and roseanne thought she was white, not that it matters, was compared to a chareacter from planet of the apes because she has a horrible deformed face that looks like central casting for planet of the apes and not even because shes apparantly black, but because shes ugly as fuck.

so it wasnt even racist. but the show was cancelled in hours and the mainstream media, every news show, every newspaper, is treating this random tweet from a comedian as top story news. everyone calling it racist.

it doesnt make any sense unless you accept the fact that the msm is trying to turn the races against each other. as part of a divide and conquer race baiting strategy to keep the people down. make whites feel guilty, make coloureds have eternal victim mentality, make whites resent coloureds for resenting whites, make coloureds resent whites for shit that barely happened centuries ago (less then 2% of whites in the south ever owned slaves, most of the slaves owners were jews actually, im not even anti semitic, im just saying).

meanwhile nobody talks about the fact that every race has done slavery. even whites were enslaved in north africa for centuries, hundreds of times bigger then the american slave trade. the barbary slave trade that isnt taught in schools because it doesnt fit the political agenda of the divide and conquer establishment that wants victim mentality for all coloureds.

[Anonymous No.9706985]

>>9702348
>imagine being this autistic
HURR DURR DUMB NIGGER

[Anonymous No.9707746]

>>9706258
i see the same happening
friends of mine who have crypto always discuss how to file their tax returns (germany) and i keep telling them that if they actually ever plan to cash out to fiat again then theyre too late to the party because those gains were made by people who bought in 2013/2015

this is now about exiting toxic fiat, and staying in crypto indefinitely

[Anonymous No.9707770]

>>9706453
they want you not knowing that you can claim taxes back from them, and how to do it without losing one or two days a year doing so

[Anonymous No.9707847]

>>9703498
you don't have to respect it but the armed individual who's property you're trying to invade might

[Spanier No.9708092]

>>9706258
>And I don't even think its a "movement" its just people not really giving a shit.
That's exactly how it works. People pay taxes because it's convenient. They are already subtracted from their wages even before the money is in their hands. Arguing with salaried people about taxation being bad always results with a "so what?" attitude from them, because they can't do anything, so it's no use for them to even think about it.

But here happens the opposite. Paying taxes on crypto is now the complicated thing, and gov's haven't proven to have realistic means to track everyone's crypto AND enforce the taxation.

[Anonymous No.9708276]

http://unchainedpodcast.co/how-chainalysis-helps-solve-crimes-jonathan-levin-tells-all-ep62

podcast about chainanalysis, company that helps fbi sec and whazever orwellian organ to track exchanges money laundry activity

unfortunately, chainanalysis didnt have an ico