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9670755 No.9670755 [Reply] [Original]

It looks like the team is making this real easy and user friendly for node operators. Will this help the inevitable normie rush? Do we really need to use LinkPool if we have >10k Link to stake on our node?

>> No.9670770

Kek you linkpool fags got suckered.

>> No.9670774

>>9670755
whoa was wondering how this was going to work. excellent.

>> No.9670856

node operators will need to invest time to find valuable data sources to offer on their node, ensure up-time, risk loss of reputation, and potentially their staked LINK if their node goes offline. If you dont want to invest that time/effort and carry that risk, linkpool will do it for you....for a 25% cut of fees

>> No.9670884

>>9670856
2,3 and 4 can all be solved by using a VPS. So really it comes down to whether you can put in the effort to locate valuable data feeds. I think the way things are going there will be an entire marketplace for data feeds, so it probably won't be too hard either. Personally I'm super glad I didn't throw money at linkpool, I was very close.

>> No.9670893

>>9670856
25% is so freaking bullshit
5% and I might consider it

>> No.9670894

>>9670856
Thanks, Jonny. I knew there was more to it

>> No.9670989

>>9670884
anything easily available wont pay much cuz there will be 500 anons offering the same data

>> No.9671044

>>9670856
Suck my dick Johnny bravo

>> No.9671261

bump

>> No.9671290

>>9670755
I feel like this thread might be a safe space from the general link retardation. Does anyone else genuinely feel it makes every other project look like shit? ETH + protocal upgrades + LINK does basically everything that crypto can do.

>> No.9671311

>>9671290
Sounds about right. Only thing I wonder is if Eth can scale sufficiently.

>> No.9671314
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>>9670755
Whoa what the fuck, link is actually doing something for once?

T-this is a shitcoin r-right guys?

>> No.9671315

>>9671290
"ChainLink is fundamentally blockchain agnostic. Not all of its competitors in the oracle space are. This means that ChainLink doesn’t need Ethereum to survive, despite being an ERC20 token. If Ethereum fails in the future, the LINK tokens can be distributed again on another blockchain through airdrops. The tokens are just a means of assigning value to oracle providers via blockchain-economics. The ChainLink network itself can interact with any blockchain, and query hundreds if not thousands of oracles to any smart contract on any blockchain. If you think about it, Ethereum needs ChainLink to survive, and not the other way around."

Basically. People don't understand how fucking significant this project is. $1000 EOY is a meme, but LINK could unironically hit $1000 by 2025-2027

>> No.9671433

>>9671315
>2025-2027
Sounds about right with the FUD saying mainnet in 2022

>> No.9671449

>>9671314
Yep, the shittest in fact.
Look away.

>> No.9671467

>>9671315
The EOS bugs just underline how most other teams in the blockchain space act like fucking amateurs by comparison

>> No.9671483

desu, linkpool needs to cut down their commission.... they cant even get to 60% of their crowd funding goal.... kinda sad really

>> No.9671528

Avoid linkpool its a big scam, dont make them rich.

>> No.9671537

>>9670856
Johnny, I had no idea you were a fellow visitor of my favorite minnesota state butt-chugging forum.

>> No.9671706

>>9670856
>Obvious Johnny is obvious
Stick to coding, you obviously don’t know business all to well if you think you can charge people a 25% commission for staking their link. Name me one industry where a 25% commission is charged. Someone will put you out of business very fast by charging 5%.

>> No.9671745

>>9671311
It doesn’t really matter because the only time chainlink impacts the network is when the contract needs the data to execute and it gets written to the blockchain. So in the short term right after mainnet launches, there won’t be a huge demand and thus it’ll be a small impact to the Ethereum network. If smartcontracts start to see widespread adoption, then yes, you are correct and the scalability could become an issue.

>> No.9671800

>>9671290
It's what I don't understand about these supply chain coins. Why would a company use you when they're going to use link+hyperledger or an app on link+ethereum to just do the same thing?

>> No.9671818

>>9671706
but ur assuming there's going to be competition.... as someone without tech background, passive income even with a 25% fee is better than earning zero %, sitting in a wallet

>> No.9671886
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>>9670856
>25% commission to set up an AWS node
nobody will want to use your centralized stack of nodes anyway, since it is a possible sybil attack

>> No.9671895

>>9671706

During the 75 day window registrations were open, we generated staking interest of:
13,969,252.36 LINK

you're right...no idea about business

>> No.9671948

>>9671895
I respect that you're taking a big risk in paying back penalty payments to token holders, and overall doing something that hasn't been done before. I hope if everything goes well that you're able to lower the fees.

>> No.9672173

>>9671818

>Assuming that there won't be any competition

Kekito

>> No.9672210

>>9671948
Hey hey this is a family restaurant, take his dick out of your mouth.

>> No.9672535

>>9670856
t. Linkpool
this is just plain wrong

>> No.9672666

>>9671895
Does that not centralise onto one major node thus defeating the project? Particularly since if it is to used globally it requires dispersed global nodes in many continents for rapid access to data sources in international markets.

>> No.9672692

>>9672666
>Word salad of the day.

>> No.9672779

>>9672666
You sir will do well in political career

>> No.9672854

>>9672666
I’d like to know this as well

>>9672692
>>9672779
Stfu u cockgobblers

>> No.9672979

>>9672854
The whitepaper uses the same 20k per node diminishing returns figure thrown around for staked tokens. So 14,000,000/20,000 = 700 nodes

>> No.9673018

Someone had determined that LINKpool wouldn't be worth the returns anyway. For it to be worth the returns LINK would already have to be mooned to a crazy price. It's better just to buy LINK.

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This anon had it right.

>> No.9673090

>>9671895
The order of Delphi will shut down your nodes.

-Julian

>> No.9673108

Now linkpool FUD is going to be a thing?

Absolute state of /biz/

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>>9670755
Which kind of coding should I learn in order to stake my stinkylinkies? I have zero tech experience

>> No.9673187

>>9671706
>Name me one industry where a 25% commission is charged
Google Play and Apple App store charge 30% for instance. Granted, they never took off and developers flocked to independent market places...

>> No.9673212

>>9670893
when you realise they only have to serve 1 in 4 more requests than your shit ran nodes to make more than you.

>> No.9673233

>>9671800
Because the supply chain protocol coins have a lot of specifics built in - eg. a graph database so you can easily query best routes or track your containers, ERM/ERP systems integration, regulatory compliant processes, sensitive business information protection and so on.

None of this would be provided by a LINK-based system out of the box.

>> No.9673266

>>9670893
It's the first of it's kind. Mainnet isnt even out yet. If link takes off and smart contracts become mainstream, many companies would love to rent and stake your links for a fee. This fee will come down dramatically due to the competition in the space. Right now, linkpool hold a monopoly on a service that doesnt exist yet. Worry not desu.

>> No.9673309

>>9671467
EOS bugs?

>> No.9673360

>>9670893
If I am insurance company x who wants reliable weather data for a smart contract. Do i source it from Anonymous3BNCh55k's node, or LinkPool™'s highly available network of 700+ nodes.

Decentralized is great, but business knows how to work with business, it makes them feel safe. Do you think they will care about a node penalty payment of a handful of link they get back if your node fucks up, or do you think they just want it to work?

>> No.9673467

Is it worth the hassle to already experiment with a testnet node?

>> No.9673492

>>9673152
I literally might just hire some geek to do it for me?

>> No.9673571

>>9673360
You don't choose a node, you fucking retard. A request will pull data from a number of nodes

>> No.9673793

>>9673571

Using the reputation maintained on-chain, along with a more robust set of data
gathered from logs of past contracts, purchasers can manually sort, filter, and select
oracles via off-chain listing services

https://link.smartcontract.com/whitepaper
page 5

>> No.9673849

>>9671290
This! Eth, link and maybe monero Is everything needed. If your tokens dont pay dividends or arent one of the three above mentiont, they are shit.

>> No.9673902

>>9673849
And dont forget to buy masternode Vechain worth of 100k so you can make 100usd monthly LOL.

>> No.9673955

>>9673467
Absolutely. Spinning one up is pretty easy, and if you can code you'll be able to actually do something with it - https://github.com/thodges-gh/cldocker

>> No.9674025

>>9670755
https://pastebin.com/LQrGVyvu
Jonnys own notes from working on LinkPool so far.

>> No.9674067

>>9673360
Nice Oraclize shill, RIP Chainlink

>> No.9674124

>>9674067
you think there can't be a business layer on top of decentralized services offerings?

>> No.9674144

>>9673360
Does oraclise offer insurance too? I'm sure chainlink parent company can offer the same

>> No.9674153

>>9670989
What is that’s the point of link

>> No.9674218

>>9674144
My point is decentralization doesn't need to mean interacting with an oracle node in some nazi frog posters basement. There can be a professional/business element to offering decentralized services, and that will likely be reflected in the reputation of the linkpool nodes and the assignments they receive

>> No.9674221

>>9674124
Of course there can be, and if it offers a desirable service at a reasonable rate then it has every right to succeed.
Having said that, I find this statement pretty concerning:
>Do i source it from Anonymous3BNCh55k's node, or LinkPool™'s highly available network of 700+ nodes.
It seems to miss that one of the great benefits of a decentralised network is that it doesn't matter if a node is run by Anonymous3BNCh55k. It doesn't matter if Anon's node is run on a cheeto dust covered computer in his basement. That node will be judged according to the accuracy and reliability of its data feeds (quantities which will be completely transparent and fully articulated in code), not the personality behind it. Making the case that business wants to interact with Legitimate Business™ seems to wildly miss one of the major benefits of decentralisation which is greater inclusion, greater access to service provision, and a greater reliance on the quality of service performed than the mere fact it's being performed by a centralised entity. It's honestly troubling that you would try and make an argument that, as I alluded to in my previous comment, is fundamentally the same (fallacious) argument that someone would use to try to preference Oraclize over Chainlink.

>> No.9674333

>>9674221
thats not taking into account what Thomas has said about reputation providers and off-chain KYC. if a company creates a reputation provider that requires you to signup, who you think theyre more likely to accept, LinkPool or some guy who runs it from his basement?

>> No.9674356

>>9674221
Greater inclusion...another meme for token holders. Literally no business cares about how included you feel

>> No.9674406

>>9674333
I can't answer that, obviously, because the process through which reputation and identity are established and confirmed hasn't been made public at all. But there's no reason to suggest that a node operator working as an individual won't be allowed to run nodes, or that they'll somehow be made to be inferior to a centralised business layer operating on the Chainlink network.
I don't get the sense that Chainlink is setting up this network just so a bunch of companies, each holding hundreds of nodes, can squeeze out any individual. Especially considering Thomas brought up reputation providers in regards to Sybil attacks, which could suggest there might even be limitations on how many nodes a single entity could run.
This is all complete speculation because there is simply no current information about how it's all going to work, but I think it's fair to say "Centralised node businesses running on Chainlink are better than individuals" fundamentally misses the point of the value that decentralised networks confer.

>> No.9674416

>>9674356
The business doesn't have to care. The business just wants accurate data from reliable providers. The point of greater inclusion is that anyone with the technical nous to run a VPS can now be that provider. Christ some of you people don't even understand decentralisation 101.

>> No.9674471

>>9674406
i think a lot of people are being a bit naive to running nodes. just needing a full main geth node means you cant just use a basic VPS already and people dont realise that the quality data sources will require potentially many hundred dollars a month of subscriptions.

>> No.9674476

>>9674218
Most of the nodes will be on VPS like Amazon AWS and most of the nodes will be owned by corporations, VC'S, not 4chan posters. It's just luck that many 4channers are onto this

>> No.9674524

>>9671895
Ignore all these faggots Jonny, most of them haven't seen a code line in their lives. You alone have added more value to the Chainlink's ecosystem than the fucking entire smartcontract.com team

>> No.9674577

Almost nobody is going to run a node from their basement. It's be done by VPS to ensure uptime. When the dust settles there will be a 2 step tutorial video that tells you how to sign up for Amazon AWS and do the rest. Linkpool will probably need to adjust their fees accordingly.

But it's dumb to talk about it because mainnet is far away. Maybe another year, who knows

>> No.9674586

Get a VPS and spend a few hours to learn some basic Unix commands (e.g. https://www.coursera.org/learn/unix).).

>> No.9674594

>>9671315
On paper
No one knows if this will work to full extent in the real world.
Their shilling is non existent, no communication with investors
2 man team...
Oracle buzzword is growing and other projects are hopping on at full speed

With these points in mind, 1 dollar eoy tops

>> No.9674624

>>9674577
just from this post it shows you have no fucking idea on what youll need to run a node.

save your link tokens from penalties.

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9674645

This is about Casper, but I think it's worth understanding for anyone who is seriously considering staking on a node as some form of income.

>>/biz/thread/S9467040

The Linkpool people have asked for a good cut while presenting very conservative rewards. That's not very attractive but I believe it's a serious approach.

>> No.9675015

Who do you think the reputation providers be? Will we see established companies doing this?

>> No.9675282

>>9674624

Penalties come from time outs mainly unless you are providing bad data.

>> No.9675476

Im not gonna stake in linkpool, gonna wait for a competitor that charges a fair fee, then i'll do it.

>> No.9675610

>>9675476
Good idea. Instead of making money while you wait for the competition, just sit on your hands.

>> No.9675774

>>9674218
YO i bought into your crowdsale just to support the LINK but after reading this thread I want my money back.

Refund pls.

>> No.9675842

>>9670856
What if I create a store of API's that node operators can choose from? Basically you'll have to know how to set up your node but I'll do all the research for you for a small fee. One day I hope to be bigger than the Apple Store.

>> No.9675945

>>9675774
No refunds nigga, you are getting rich even if you don't want to faggot

>> No.9675995

>>9675610
Its quite likely that linkpool wont allow you to take your original links at will, that would be too uncertain, the smartcontract will probably have a no 6 month period withdrawal for links originally staked.

>> No.9675998

>>9675842
These kind of data marketplaces are what are exciting about LINK, and if you look at Sergey's work history (BIG data contacts) what we can likely expect.

ChainLink is the API gateway for smartcontracts. If you work in tech and know digital strategy, you know the implications of this technology

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>>9675842
https://www.smartcontract.com/link#chainlink
Read all the information there slowly, from the beginning, even if you think it's old news.

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>>9670755
>>9670856
>>9670770
>>9671483
>>9671528
>>9673018
>>9673108
>>9674406
>>9674645
Linkpool is legit and still a valid project
>pic related

>> No.9676229

>>9676137
Ok now what?

>> No.9676235

>>9676185
No it's not, linkpool is dead in the water. The penalties would be exceedingly rare and no shit Jonny everyone realises they won't be using free vps and that data substrictions will cost money. It will be quite easy to see on the network what data is worth purchasing. Once again Jonny obfuscating the difficulty, I guess he's a good salesman, but just remember it's in his best interest to make it appear far harder than what it is.

>> No.9676281

>>9675995
Why would you think that? They've communicated the exact opposite. There will be no holding period, and you can remove your link anytime.

>> No.9676321

>>9673212
You suck at math
>biz 2018

>> No.9676355

>>9676185
>fudding vps
This kike needs to kys himself

>> No.9676416

>>9676235
Genuine question. Will you be writing your own custom adapters too? Will all potential node operators be?

>> No.9676474

>>9670755
Of course not. It's even more hilarious that they ran their own ICO.
>need monee to deploy and maintain our AWS instances hurrrr

>> No.9676504

>>9676229
If I've understood your idea correctly, I believe you're trying to create something very redundant. If I haven't, good luck with your project and apologies for wasting your time. I do not wish to debate it further.

>> No.9676507

>>9670856
>25%
KEK

>>9671706
Hell, give me your link and I'll set you up an AWS instance for a 5% cut. Fucking lol.

>> No.9676545

>>9673492
I'm going to start a LINKSQUAD that will fly out wherever you are and give assistance on setting up the node. After we got it set up we'll offer free support phone service.

>> No.9676628

>>9676235
This. What the fuck am I reading here
>hurrr is will be hard to secure data hurr muh reputation
Unironically retarded. *decentralized* network of oracles you fuckwit.

>> No.9676779

>>9676185
I know they probably excluded burgers to not get raped by the SEC but I'm almost 100% sure that even in europe what they're trying to do probably requires some kind of license (money transmitter, custodian) whatever, and the dividend aspect will trigger the european SEC equivalent sooner than this thing gets off the ground

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9676780

>read the thread
>Jonny getting BTFO left and right

>> No.9676800

>>9674594
The no communication is part of their business model. There are 17 people on the pivotaltracker ad github who can make commits. Link is far and away the superior product

>> No.9676882

>>9674416
What the fuck are you doing here, this is a board for retards not people who actually understand what we're investing in

>> No.9676932

>>9673360
>Decentralized is great, but business knows how to work with business, it makes them feel safe. Do you think they will care about a node penalty payment of a handful of link they get back if your node fucks up, or do you think they just want it to work?

L M A O
I'm not sure if you're the linkpool guy but you just shot yourself in the foot.

If the way Chainlink works is gonna be that big companies only choose their buddies' nodes that they trust. then the tokens are pretty much worthless since it would be based solely on trust and no collateral would be required since businesses trust eachother. Best case scenario they would simply pay eachother in link and dump it on exchanges immediately or not pay anything in tokens because they could make a deal about everything F2F.

If some companies (reputation providers) are to decide which node is good and which are not then it's basicly Oraclize 1.1.

>> No.9677004

>>9676281
Zero holding period may be too much, likely at least for the duration of the contracts that are in the node. I mean, they probably have some amount reserved in case people want to remove their linkies, but if for some reason a lot of people want to remove a lot of linkies at once then it's possible they aren't always prepared. Then there's probably some waiting period involved. Months? Days? Hours? I don't know, it depends on the contracts and how many people want how much out.

But don't take my word at all, I have no interest in staking with them or alone, maybe their reserve is bigger than what they want to ask from others or they have something cooler so ask them or look at how the contracts return things yourself. I'm just suspicious that you'll be able to remove anytime when they want to take your linkies to use them for something.

>> No.9677055

>>9676932
I’m really hoping the earlier poster wasn’t Johnny, but I’m 75% confident it was. No one would spend that much time and effort defending linkpool except him. I’m making it my personal goal to expose the truth about linkpool in every link thread I see. If linkpool is fighting for centralization, they are looking to marginalize all of us unless we are willing to be raped by their ludicrous 25% commission.

>> No.9677136

>>9676235
Jonny really thought LINK stakers wouldn't get a paid AWS subscription? He is getting desperate.

>> No.9677235

>>9677055
Why not just post valid arguments against him in the official Reddit and twitter?

Your debate would interest most involved in Link

>> No.9677244

>>9677055
so at what % would you use linkpool? 10%, 5%? at a certain number, it becomes a business decision...

>> No.9677319

>>9671314
Imagine being retarded enough to get all of your crypto information exclusively from /biz/ and not actually following the progress of projects you invested your money into lol

>> No.9677369

>>9670755
Yes because you'd still need to pay for VPS hosting for every node, have the knowledge and patience to set them up. Not to mention troubleshoot through command line if something gets fucked.
LinkPool is hands-free.

>>9670884
LinkPool will also have node redundancy. Basically, most of the fucktard moon kids will have no fucking idea how to run a node. Just because there's a couple competent people in here acting smug and shit, doesn't mean that the majority of LINK holders have any capacity to all of those things themselves, or even be committed trying to learn them and waste time while doing so. I know because I'm in some "masternode" coins and they literally have paid team members on Discord to guide fucking retards who ask retarded questions all day and can't follow a simple guide online on how to set it up. Those same coins also have coin-specific "masternode setup services" that a lot of people are happy to pay for.

Not to mention LP guys have a direct connection to the team and are actively contribution to the project. The returns from the LINK nodes in general will be pathetic, they'll cut down on their fees once the network matures and when LINK is not worth 30 fucking cents. They'll probably be operating near loss in the beginning to host hundreds/thousands of nodes for a young network that's overloaded with /biz/tards' nodes that sit idle 90% of the time.
If you're capable of setting up and maintaining your own node, just do that and shut the fuck up, who cares.

>> No.9677411

>>9677319
I didnt invest in link. It seems like a shitcoin with very little progress being made. Also it has a lot of competition. Its basically just a json parser, get over yourself.

>> No.9677417

>>9677369
1. 25% is way too high. 2. why the hell can't CL team eventually offer the exact same service as linkpool, but at a much lower fee?

>> No.9677526

>>9677417
1. I agree but I haven't done the math. Like I told you, unless they have an entire network of clients ready to run hundreds of thousands of API calls a day, I don't see much ROI from running a node this early.
This low network activity and ROI of course will reflect the profit for LinkPool so even though the fees seem insane, they might not be, we'll see when the main net launches.

2. Why would they? I haven't seen much projects where the devs will create a "point-and-click" suite for you to run nodes.
And again, everyone would just use that and you have a centralized system.
Even though faggots here think that OMG LINKPOOL WILL CENTRALIZE CHAINLINK, they're actually aware that their operation might hurt the network so they'll always make sure not to run too many nodes and grow together with independent nodes. That's why there are slots so to speak, of who can run the nodes in the beginning (those who registered early, etc).

>> No.9677623

>>9677526
Sergey had said.... contractmakers pay a fee. That fee is paid to the node operators and CL team also get a portion of it..... if linkpool is making shitload of money, why wouldn't CL team offer a similar "set up/host" service for a fee (that is lower than linkpool). CL team offers a decentralized oracle service, even though the company itself is still centralized. At some point, you still have to "trust" some entity. If CL the company goes bully up, it doesnt matter if the node operators are from linkpool or 25,000 indepedent node operators, the whole system goes down. Game over

>> No.9677697

To sum things up, it would be a MAJOR plus if Chainlink team would actually create a dashboard where you can login and track all your info and do operations with a click of a mouse. Looking through thodges' videos I thought that everything will be done via CLI (which we still don't know) and I was ready to stake with LinkPool but if Chainlink really launches with a nice GUI and the setup doesn't consist of copy-pasting 200 commands, I might opt for a VPS and run the thing by myself.

Keep in mind that this is not for everyone, people always have a choice and if they want to waste their time and save money, or pay more for someone else do it for them.

>>9677623
>offer a similar "set up/host" service
Because this is not what the team wants, they want third party pools. We'll probably see LinkPool competition if Chainlink takes off which will create a more competitive market. If a company offers the solution for their own product, people will always trust it more and thus we'll have a network where everyone is running on some Official ChainLink Node Host Network (TM) which beats the purpose in the first place.
Yes, they could also have a limited pool of nodes (which I believe they will have, but private ones) but this still sends a wrong message because Sergey doesn't believe in this kind of thing.
LinkPool is not in a position where they can create this type of centralization, that's why Sergey probably gave them a green light to help the members of the community that are not tech-savvy enough to run their own node.

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>>9677411

>> No.9677903

>>9676779
There is no law in Europe that avoids I manage your cryptocurrencies. Different with fiat though

>> No.9678236

>>9677055
This is fucking horse pussy. If you're concerned about being marginalized then recruit/create your own community driven nodes to compete with LinkPool. Do something that demonstrates you don't deserve to be marginalized.

>> No.9678375

>>9677244
Less than 1% because it's easy as fuck to set up an AWS instance.

Do people not understand staking will be 100 times easier than mining? And even mining is pretty noob friendly.

>> No.9678471

>>9678375
I'm curious, how much ROI in USD (per node) do you think you'll be getting during the first months of mainnet?

>> No.9678487

>>9678471
777%

>> No.9678500

>>9677623
>CL team also get a portion of it
Source?
First time hearing this

>> No.9679276

>>9673360
Are you fucking retarded?