/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.9553570]

Are you a cuck?

[Anonymous No.9553601]

>>9553570

[Anonymous No.9554204]

>taxation is theft

Yeah, bro. How do you think the government fixes roads and protects us from terrorists? How do you think they get the money to help refugees fleeing from the same war that we caused?
Fucking commie brainlet

[Anonymous No.9554232]

>Give 90% of my income to government
>have roads, friendly police who only stop me 3 times a day and access to unbiased government run news

Ancaps are retarded

[Anonymous No.9554240]

>>9554204
195 IQ

[Anonymous No.9554252]

Im a tax fraud so no i guess

[Anonymous No.9554276]

>>9554204
If we didn't have roads how would the refugees get here? And how would they drive trucks into us?

[Anonymous No.9554301]

People who most whine about taxes are just the type of cucks that if the government didn't protect them with police etc they'd be some gang leader's personal bitchboy and sucking his cock at this very moment. And they don't even realize it.

[Anonymous No.9554311]

>>9554232
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.9554347]

>>9553601
nat-soc should have guns pointed at you AND your pockets being picked. Worst of both worlds DESU

[Anonymous No.9554355]

>>9553570
at least make an attempt at an honest characterization and paint some hospitals and firemen behind the evil policeman

[Anonymous No.9554369]

>>9554301
Yes there is no gang problem in America especially areas where guns are illegal.

[Anonymous No.9554386]

>>9554204
>How do you think the government fixes roads
> government fixes roads
>fixes roads
>roads

Yeah.... Tell me again why 98 of the people's tax dollars go towards war yet little tax dollar barely goes towards, education, health & infrastructure?

[Anonymous No.9554401]

>>9554386

>Anon can't get to the end of the sentence before sperging out

[Anonymous No.9554429]

>>9554386
98% of the people's tax dollars I mean.

[Anonymous No.9554432]

>>9553570
>tfw gov still owes me money after my crypto gains.
>tfw grateful to get robbed and not jailed

[Anonymous No.9554515]

>>9554386
>MUH SOCIAL CONTRACT

[Anonymous No.9554575]

>>9553570

fuck no. I hate this shithole country's spending habits. I wish we could spend taxes on giving every lonely young wyboi in America his own cute trap so they can stop shooting kids instead of wasting trillions on F-bird fuckraptors and secret black projects.

[Anonymous No.9554682]

>>9554401
>anon disregards argument with a feeble guffaw

I'm sorry, but you must be delusional if you think united states is the best. taxation is truly theft. I keep hearing people who constantly say that United States is the richest country on earth, yet we have the shittiest health care, infrastructure and education. If the United States is truly the richest country, we would be able to easily afford to have health care, education and infrastructure at the highest caliber.

The reality here is; You're delusional.

[Anonymous No.9554696]

>>9554682

His post was sarcastic. holy shit get it together anon

[Anonymous No.9554732]

>>9554682
>semicolon

[Anonymous No.9554736]

>>9554696

I understand that but my argument still stands.

[Anonymous No.9554765]

>>9554732
>Incorrect use of semicolon
Lmfao

[Anonymous No.9555257]

>>9553570

[Anonymous No.9555271]

>>9553570

Look nobody likes paying taxes including myself, but I fail to see how society would function without them. We can talk about the specifics of taxes like percentages and where the money goes, but to outright say taxation is theft is just misguided. Without taxes we have no central authority to solve basic societal problems. Even if you abolished the government, another authority would arise that would likely be even worse. Your libertarian wet dream might sound like a great idea in your head but it would never work in practice.

>>9554386

A legitimate complaint especially if your from burgerstan like I am. I forget where I heard this at but the Pentagon at one point spent over a trillion dollars on research and development for a fighter jet. It's not an accident that situations like this exist. It's just pure corruption from bribed politicians. The sad truth of the matter is America could probably have welfare programs like universal health care and maybe even a basic income without raising taxes significantly if they just allocated the money correctly and not work for the interests of powerful oligarchs.

[Anonymous No.9555278]

>>9553570

[Anonymous No.9555353]

Once I make it ill take it all overseas and live like a demigod in some 2nd world country.
Not pay a cent in taxes because ill jump ship before they catch me

[Anonymous No.9555374]

>>9555278
only if you infringe

[Anonymous No.9555406]

>>9555374
theres nothing to infringe on without the gun

[Anonymous No.9555434]

>>9555271
>centralized authority to commit violence against people who want to keep their property is a good thing
The absolute state of statists

[Anonymous No.9555518]

>>9555406
hand over your private keys

[Anonymous No.9555604]

>>9555434

I support reform of the America's justice system for sure but this is just an absurd talking point. Define what keeping your property means. Is the government currently committing violence against people who do? Cite some cases.

[Anonymous No.9555612]

This is all irrelevant. Because cryptocurrencies will destroy the state.

[Anonymous No.9555629]

>>9555518
no fuck off.

updated graphic

[Anonymous No.9555651]

NEET or not y still have to pay taxes for your gains unless y never cash and using your parents money or

[Anonymous No.9555679]

>>9555629
give me "your" computer

[Anonymous No.9555705]

>>9554204

Commies love taxes you retard

[Anonymous No.9555717]

>>9555651
> what is moving to a tax haven to cash out
Yeah nah Jamal and Tyrone's nine kids can go get fucked, sorry. We're not cucking for the state. The entire thing is going to die and there's nothing they can do about it.
This is what happens when you disenfranchise and attempt to enslave your most productive citizens. They fork off and tell you to go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.9555796]

>>9554682
Faggot, go to Mexico or Egypt and then tell me the US has shitty infrastructure.

>Fucking kids

[Anonymous No.9555843]

Truth is almost all state services can be privatized successfully and it world be better.

Imagine how cheap and high quality healthcare would be in a free market.

[Anonymous No.9555850]

>>9555612
How is bitcoin leaving people in inflation ?
In fact, how can any limited supply anything can inflation anything ?

braindead niggerkin woman here, pls respond but without hitting on me silly boys

[Anonymous No.9556005]

>>9555679
They wouldn't have to. Computers could be produced based on need, not profit.

[Anonymous No.9556020]

>>9556005
I need "your" computer.

[Anonymous No.9556031]

>>9556020
You need re-education.

[Anonymous No.9556095]

>>9554301
“Gangs” would be wiped out pretty quickly by gun owners/militia if the government disappeared.

[Anonymous No.9556111]

>>9553601
(((National (((Socialism))))))

[Anonymous No.9556113]

>>9556095
gangs are gun owners faget

[Anonymous No.9556155]

Nobody cares what statists think, if governments could live off taxes maybe they could hold on for longer, but they can't they have to constantly take debt and pay for it inflating their currencies, but when crypto takes over they won't be able to do that anymore.

[Anonymous No.9556175]

>>9553601
fixed

[Anonymous No.9556197]

>>9556031
Still waiting on "your" computer.

[Anonymous No.9556226]

>>9556113
True, but they are unsophisticated blacks and therefore in the state-free world the poster above was envisioning, they would get slaughtered by more trained, intelligent white militia.

[Anonymous No.9556240]

>>9556226
>gangs must be black
italians say hi

[Anonymous No.9556279]

>>9556240
Yeah, Gangs are essentially a nonwhite issue.

[Anonymous No.9556300]

>>9555629
spot the communist beta faggot

[Anonymous No.9556323]

>>9556226
how would the intelligent members of this militia get money? or would the gang slaughter just be more of a weekend thing and they work 9 - 5s thing?

[Anonymous No.9556338]

>>9556279
>we'll just ignore the impact of the mafia and the mob
typical ancap fag ignoring evidence

[Anonymous No.9556342]

>>9556240
Italians are practically North North African.

[Anonymous No.9556352]

>>9556342
are the irish north african too?
>muh aryans

[Anonymous No.9556353]

>>9556342
far worse. they are gypsies (aka latinos)

[Anonymous No.9556354]

>Capitalism
Landlord: You must pay me this arbitrary amount I deem to be acceptable if you wish to continue living here and enjoy the freedoms and oppertunities that this place provides.

>Theft
Government: You must pay me this arbitrary amount I deem to be acceptable if you wish to continue living here and enjoy the freedoms and oppertunities that this place provides.

[Anonymous No.9556368]

>>9556323
They would work every day jobs, and then on the weekends as a hobby would slaughter the low IQ gangsters who will be hopelessly outwitted.

[Anonymous No.9556376]

>>9556354
>Capitalism
You can pay me to live here if you want to live here.
>Government
You have to pay me to be here.

[Anonymous No.9556377]

>>9555843
The UK actually tried that and they're currently all in the process of failing.

[Anonymous No.9556389]

>>9556354
You aren't born into a landlord that will punish you if you try to leave.

[Anonymous No.9556392]

>>9556376
>you cant leave the country

[Anonymous No.9556395]

>>9556376
Renounce your citizenship and move out then.

[Anonymous No.9556408]

>>9556377
>The UK tried that
No we fucking didn't. We've socialised our crappy healthcare and even most of our terrible transport. The government's failing because of its socialist policies. Not even our fucking conservative party is right wing.

[Anonymous No.9556454]

>>9556408
>Carillion
>Rail Services

[Anonymous No.9556548]

>>9554204
Weak bait

[Anonymous No.9556557]

>>9556395
I would fucking love to, the US is one of the worst countries on earth unironically.

[Anonymous No.9556748]

>>9556557
>i would love to
the only reason you wouldnt is because youre a criminal

[Anonymous No.9556797]

>>9554204
Man all they did was put up speed bumps all over my city but the left pot holes everywhere. Fuck that. What's the point of getting a lambo if you can't go 20 feet without slowing down or scraping your shit? You should seriously be able to choose where your money goes. I want my tax dollars spent on bullet trains and space, but retards want a fucking fence and a never ending war on drugs. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.9556814]

>>9555850
hey sugar tits, have you heard of of blackstream? It's the ZOG shit they put on buttcoin core so they can monetize by forcing the on chain fees to be infeasible so you have to go through their (((Lightning Network))) complete with KYC, centralization, and (((fractional reserve banking 2.0)))

[Anonymous No.9556824]

>>9556814
Found the Jihad Wu bootlicker

[Anonymous No.9556959]

>>9556797
Your country spent a TRILLION dollars to make The drug problem even WORSE. Your gubbermint lined the pockets of criminals with your hard earned tax dollars. "USA USA USA #1"

[Anonymous No.9557349]

>disband government
>neighboring states attack
>you have a government again

[Anonymous No.9557447]

>>9553570
How much of a shithole must America be, to have taxation be regarded as "theft at gunpoint"?
The worst that happens in first world countries is a fine, America might be the only shithole where you actually get incarcerated for this.

[Anonymous No.9558214]

>>9557447
America's tax system and spending are really fucked.

[Anonymous No.9559034]

>>9553570
No, I'm a Chad, and that's why I invested a huge amount of moola in HBT this week my dude

[Anonymous No.9559132]

>>9559034

fucking give up omg

your shilling is, and I don't say this lightly, worse than ten 9/11s

[Anonymous No.9559143]

>>9553570
I like having roads.

[Anonymous No.9559464]

>>9556111

[Anonymous No.9560315]

>>9553570
Yes Mr Taxman I will pay at time sir.

[Anonymous No.9560439]

>>9556797
You are big retard. You can't have the nice things you want in a non-white country

[Warlord !1GS3StGNTw No.9560507]

If you're upset at the rate at which you get taxed, perhaps you should learn to file your taxes better.

[Anonymous No.9560574]

This thread was successfully derailed by IRA interns
Not even joking

[Anonymous No.9560624]

>>9557447
>at gunpoint
How do they put you into jail?

[Anonymous No.9560836]

>>9560624
By telling you to come with them, or strongarming you into it.
They won't really draw a firearm on you for fucking tax crimes unless you're a nigger.

[Anonymous No.9560857]

Most statists, when you press them, will admit that taxation is at the very least extortion. It turns to theft when consent is withheld. They just believe it brings them more benefit. I'd respect them a lot more if they were more upfront with their pragmatism instead of playing word games to defend their hypocrisy. So moral arguments are a waste of time desu.

[Anonymous No.9561274]

>>9560857
ancap doesnt exactly have moral high ground either.
if youre american and hate the government, youre basically a confederate, not an ancap.

[Anonymous No.9561348]

>>9561274
So violence is just as moral as non-violence? And thanks for letting me know what MY ideology is.

[Anonymous No.9561435]

>>9554301
>thinks no state means no authority

[Anonymous No.9561460]

>>9561348
violence in itself is neither moral nor immoral. the animal kingdom is most violent.
and i say americans who hate the government at confederates because they tend to apply "ancap principles" only to themselves. a fully articulated ancap philosophy would be universally applicable.
if you just hate your state government and want them gone from your life, youre a secessionist

[Anonymous No.9561496]

>>9553601
>doing all the hard work
>guns are just for show and not enslaving people
>bitch-ass cool color instead of kick-ass warm color

Yeah, enjoy worshipping your gaylord hero Adolf Cuckler, Cuckzis. I'm just going to be over here getting rich by exploiting the weak, like nature intended.

[Anonymous No.9561499]

>>9561460
Ok, so you don't care about morality. Then why are you commenting on it?
>you're a secessionist
I've read a shit-ton of Rothbard and I'm an ancap. Stop being conceited.

[Anonymous No.9561529]

>>9561435
>thinks medieval warlords are better than a state

[Anonymous No.9561566]

Protip: the government does not know how to spend your money better than you do. Say you want roads, and public utilities, and national defense, and such, which is perfectly reasonable, by the way. LITERALLY nothing is preventing you from using your money to fund those projects.

If you're a statist boot licker, then you can fuck right off my capitalist board.

[Anonymous No.9561583]

>>9561499
rothbard didnt think up a universal philosophy of ancap. his application was to the united states.

[Anonymous No.9561596]

>>9561583
As a means to transition to an ancap state of affairs.

[Anonymous No.9561651]

>>9560315
fucking reddit posts are the worst

[Anonymous No.9561708]

>>9561596
in the united states with all the native problems of the usa, particularly negroes in a majority white population. his stance was basically a non integrated black population.
essentially all american ancaps want to do is kick out all the blacks.

[Anonymous No.9561712]

>>9556408
>probably thinks Thatcher was a good thing
Billions and billions in UK assets got given away to private companies for shits and giggles and ancaps will defend this.

[Anonymous No.9561746]

>>9557447
>The worst that happens in first world countries is a fine

I suggest you try and you will find yourself without work, property and freedom.

[Anonymous No.9561786]

>>9561708
Daily reminder not to discuss serious topics on 4chan. 4chan is for shitposting only.

[Anonymous No.9561889]

>>9561786
well i am posting in an ancap thread.
the whole thing is a shitpost

[Anonymous No.9562290]

>>9561529
>thinks monopolies are better than competition

[Anonymous No.9563007]

>>9554204
Prime bait here. You have won my linkies gentleman.

[Anonymous No.9563102]

>>9562290
>thinks a corporation isnt a monopoly in its own productive sphere

[Anonymous No.9563162]

>>9563102
>thinks corporations exist without the sate

[Anonymous No.9563319]

>>9556408
Are you actually retarded? The UK's failing public services are entirely due to privatisation. Hell, the NHS, which is one off the few things that is constantly 'on the breaking point' still manages to be one of the best healthcare systems in the world despite getting royally fucked in the ass by immigration policies for years.

The vast majority of UK public services are privatised. Prison guards,school meals, NHS patient beds, transport, redevelopments... All of which were privatised.

The UK fell hard for the "Privatisation" meme back in Thatcher's age where she sold off all of the public services because "corporations could run them more efficiently to provide a better service"

But hey, turns out running public services is actually really fucking hard and the result is that the private companies have either gone bust or extorted more money from those who have given them contracts because they have so many vital infrastructural jobs that them going bust is a disaster.

The idea of Capitialism resulting in the best result possible for the consumer is a naive one that doesn't take into considerations the nuances of public services. There are no alternate train companies. Trains are the only viable method in. You have to take a train. If the company in charge is private, what they inevitably do is run as bad a service as possible as expensively as possible because that is what makes them money. Their sole objective is to run the worst possible service to achieve that delicious shareholder profit maximisation. There's no viable competition and there's no real way to dissuade them from providing a shit service because people have to use it anyway.

The free market can't fix it when essential services aren't in a free market by design.

It's the reason why the UK has some of the worst public transport in Europe despite it being one of the few Private systems.

Privatisation is choking the life out of the UK and you're too much of an Ancuck to see it.

[Anonymous No.9563352]

Friendly reminder to ignore and sage Ancap threads, and that Ancaps are pathetic manchildren that need the Gas

[Anonymous No.9563493]

>>9563352
how does the state's cum taste?

[Anonymous No.9563498]

>>9563162
>this is what ancaps actually believe

[Anonymous No.9563527]

>>9563498
Yes because it is the LITERAL truth as to how corporations are defined.

[Anonymous No.9563536]

>>9563527
retard is how you are defined

[Anonymous No.9563565]

>>9563536
A corporation is not the same as a giant business, if you are confused.

[Anonymous No.9563641]

>>9563565
go on then

[Anonymous No.9563682]

>>9563319

fully agree.

Street lighting is imo another good example of an important service provision that you wouldn't get without any taxation; there'd be no free market interest in it.

Taxation is fine, as long as its fair - can't be arsed going into it all in detail but a land value tax (pretty much taxation with a view to stopping people just holding onto valuable land and not doing anything with it) is something I'd be interested in seeing, and Council Tax here is in dire need of reform.

I'd also be very uncomfortable in a society with, say, all education provision privately operated.

[Anonymous No.9563770]

>Guys we can't ban slavery, because who will pick the cotton?

>Guys we can't get rid of the state, because who will build the roads?

[Anonymous No.9564340]

>>9563770
>slavery
of all the things states actually did you choose something good?

[Anonymous No.9564434]

>>9563319
F U C K O F F
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The NHS is dogshit. In 1860, Brunel's railways were the envy of the world. Now everyone has a railway. "The nhs is the envy of the world" is a meme. If it was, everyone would have a nhs exactly like ours. Fucking hell, free at point of use does not mean free. It just means criminally inefficient. My NI contributions the last year were approx 20x what I'd pay under Dutch model, it takes me 3 weeks to see a GP, and our mortality rates are worse than Poland. Stop eating the shit they feed you and have an original thought for once in your sorry life

[Anonymous No.9564467]

>>9561566
Google collective action problem, I'll wait.