/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.9101931]

High taxes is actually a good thing.

Countries with high taxes are generally better off than those with low-to-medium tax levels.

Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.9101949]

>>9101931
Keep the slavs' reputation up buddy

[Anonymous No.9101969]

>>9101931
Business should pay no more than 20% tax on profits. They provide the labor force jobs, they need the money to expand without taking out loans. EURO is cucked. Who in their right mind would pay almost 50% of their salary to the government. Socialism is bad for technology and innovation.

[Anonymous No.9101971]

>>9101931
It's easy to trust people when theres forced equality. Distrust stems from inequality, so does progress. I'd rather deal with distrust and keep progress.

[Anonymous No.9101978]

Define good? Is it good to have a very strong safety need but also have limited economic mobility? If you define success as everyone is “taken care of” and doesn’t have to work hard to stay in a narrow range of opportunity then yes, high taxes are good.

[Anonymous No.9101983]

>>9101931
Seems like north Europe is the best Europe. Also... kek at the difference in the Baltics.

As for being better off:
- I hope you are not choosing this map as your only indicator of being better off.
- Also, correlation does not imply causation. Might be in reverse, that better off countries eventually choose higher taxation, not that taxation makes countries better.

[Anonymous No.9101984]

>>9101931
Except France, kek

[Anonymous No.9101991]

>>9101931
You give the government enough money and they won't bomb you.

[Anonymous No.9102004]

>>9101969
Ich want to object, mein Friend.

[Anonymous No.9102018]

>>9101969
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.9102035]

>>9101971
Post-Soviet states, the Balkans and Greece must be real leaders of progress then.

[Anonymous No.9102040]

lots of white people is actually a good thing.

Countries with a high concentration of white people are generally better off than those with less white people.

Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.9102086]

>>9102035
You can have distrust and forced equality if theres widespread corruption which very common ex communist countries and south America.

[Anonymous No.9102094]

>>9101931
>Countries with high taxes are generally better off than those with low-to-medium tax levels.
Countries with high taxes are currently living out a boomer-socialist fueled socioeconomic deathwish and have an unlimited supply of self-congratulatory infographics and flawed studies to support their Marxist policies.

[Anonymous No.9102102]

>>9101931
>he mentioned the elephant in the room
Get ready for a storm of cognitive dissonance. They've been cucked since birth to worship materialism and the free market like a religion, and see their suffering at the hands of fat cats as a deserved penance in the name of their god.
Trump wondered, why we don't have immigrants from Norway coming to the USA. Isn't it odd how lawless countries are sending us refugees by the millions, while the ones with high levels of social services like health care and education aren't sending anyone out? Speaking of that you only have europe in your map but Japan and South Korea say hi also.

>>9101971
Very admirable, goy. Liquidate all your assets and buy yourself a nice estate in Somalia.
There you'll have all the inequality and distrust you can stomach. Enjoy sleeping with a gun under your pillow and paying armed guards (who you hopefully can trust) to keep your family from getting raped

[Anonymous No.9102106]

>>9102040
Not really.

Post-Soviet states are usually white, racist and not so well off.

[Anonymous No.9102117]

>>9102106
>b-but they're not white

[Anonymous No.9102135]

>>9101978
Better standard of living.

[Anonymous No.9102189]

>>9102102
Nobody argued that all unequal societies are good but the potential for inequality is what allows progress in not shit tier countries like the USA. No new things would be invented without the demand from people in higher wealth brackets for these things, rich early adopters drive industry.

[Anonymous No.9102191]

>>9102102
>Trump wondered, why we don't have immigrants from Norway coming to the USA.
Their country isn't on the brink of collapse yet. Get back to me in 20 years.

[Anonymous No.9102201]

>>9101969
Delusional. But yeah 20% business tax. Any money taken out of the business for any other than business reasons should be taxed 50% over 90k and 0 tax under 17k and those that earn less than 13k should be given grants depending on how long they work and what their job is.

I should be an economist.

[Anonymous No.9102219]

>>9102117
>slavs
>white

[Anonymous No.9102227]

>>9102191
I've never understood this line of thinking where countries that are incredibly well off and been prospering for decades are all going to crash down in the near future because they didn't follow some /pol/ tier alt-right ideology correctly.

It's silly to be honest.

[Anonymous No.9102230]

>>9101931
Those dirty French snakes

[Anonymous No.9102240]

Most people can be trusted because all the idiots are being funded through socialized programs and don't need to steal or be violent. Once the government money runs out they will get VERY violent. Any successful socialised country is simply riding on the success of a previous free market capitalist structure. Once they run out of free market money the Venezuela effect ensues. Please go do some reading.

[Anonymous No.9102244]

>>9102106
Sssshhhh, you want all the /pol/acks to fail their stability test?

[Anonymous No.9102252]

>>9102191
You're thinking of Sweden

[Anonymous No.9102262]

But srs, why are the Baltics so different?

[Anonymous No.9102270]

>>9102227
DO
NOT
QUESTION
THE
/POLACKS

Imagine all the fun we had during the small crash in January.
Do you want to drive them away so bad before the big one?

[Anonymous No.9102285]

>>9102189
1960s technology got man on the moon in under a decade.

Modern technology barely got Musk's rockets off a barge without blowing up after four years.

While it's true that wealthy investment can fuel innovation, it's an unusually durable late capitalist myth that it's the only -- or even the most effective -- way to do it.

[Anonymous No.9102301]

>>9102240
>riding on the success of a previous free market capitalist structure

All nordic countries are free market economies.

They just have high taxes, that is all. There is no "previous free market capitalist structure", it has always been that way.

[Anonymous No.9102355]

>>9102106
communism did a number on them
just like shitskins will do on western europe

[Anonymous No.9102375]

>>9102270
I'd be willing to bet 10.000 LINK that places like Norway (or even Sweden, the /pol/ favorite) won't be dystopian hellholes after 20 years.

Most likely they'll continue to be nice places to live in as they've been for decades.

[Anonymous No.9102385]

>>9101931
Most people are useless and they essentially become "educated beggars". Spend 25 years in school and expect jobs to be handed to you.
Of course non-socialist countries would suck for the majority of useless parasites. But if you're entrepreneurial they're much better for you, desu. I'm not moving anytime soon.
Besides, the countries in red are actually the FASTEST growing countries in Europe thanks to the low taxation. The reason why they're still not as well off as the west is exactly communism - they started off way poorer because of it.
So no, faggot, high taxes are not a good thing and you're pathetic.

[Anonymous No.9102452]

>>9102385
Greece was never communist.

Also they're fastest growing because they're being helped by developed nations and they have lot to catch up to.

[Anonymous No.9102459]

>>9102375
>Sweden
Already bad, they have to import doctors from abroad, because Swedish doctors simply leave for the States. Ambulances are already 5-6 hours to a day late. And the countries where Sweden gets its doctors from are seeing rapid economic growth, so it might be difficult to even import doctors at some point.
Also no-go areas are not a negligible problem, sorry. Violent crime stats are going to look worse and worse.
>Norway
Of course they're gonna be a nice place, they have petrol money for centuries to come

[Anonymous No.9102489]

>>9102459
electric cars are going to make oil worthless

[Anonymous No.9102496]

>>9102385
This is some impressive mental gymnastics. Congrats on this. Honestly.

[Anonymous No.9102514]

>>9102452
>Greece
Not growing, actually. They tried being commies, didn't work out for them. I meant all the other countries in red.
>Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary
4%+ GDP growth, low national debts for the most part despite starting from $2k gdp per capita and 100%+ debt to gdp ratio. Low taxes work for them, but they have to overcome A LOT exactly because of their communist past.
>Poland
Exactly like those above but did play their cards slightly better and had a head start, so they're blue on the map :)
>Croatia
Better starting point than Bulgaria and Romania, and better tourist attraction from the get go + better location. Yet they tried slightly higher taxes and are nowhere near the growth rate of Bulgaria+Romania, also 50% of their youth is unemployed

[Anonymous No.9102520]

>>9102459
Every country has it's problems, but I'd say Sweden is easily in the top 15 countries to live in.

It's actually very nice, you should visit there sometime. (I have)

[Anonymous No.9102536]

>>9101931

Countries with white people are better off. Taxes are bullshit.

[Anonymous No.9102544]

>>9102489
>electric cars are going to make oil worthless
I know you're trolling, but even if you that was true - Norway already has money reserves from oil, and not just oil reserves, so they're still set for centuries to come
>>9102496
>mental gymnastics
Literally all facts show that I'm correct, try to refute, faggot. Protip - you can't because you're a faggot.

[Anonymous No.9102547]

>>9101931
>Countries with high taxes are generally better off than those with low-to-medium tax levels.
Yeah but they produce jack shit, have no business incentives to grow or maintain.

The US doesn't need Nordic socialism, we literally move 40% of the world's commerce, if anything the world needs us to be even more radically capitalist so they can continue to jack themselves off.

[Anonymous No.9102574]

>>9102520
>Sweden
I'm not saying it's bad, I was in Stockholm a few months ago and had a blast.
But I didn't need an ambulance for example, and some of their problems are just not easy to see for young people. Everything I said in my post is correct, and things are only getting worse there. It might take /pol/ until retirement to finally have a reason to say "told you so" and Sweden won't be in ruins in 5 years, but it's just a great country slowly going downhill instead of improving.

[Anonymous No.9102576]

>>9102106

>states that were fucked by Communism (which kills the most productive intelligent class) and are poor in natural resources are not well off, this proves we are all the same
>oh and they are racist too, which also makes them bad, I just wanted to drop that in their
>I definitely don't have a narrative to push

[Anonymous No.9102586]

>>9102514
Well yeah, they're growing because they started from nothing and are supported by well-developed western nations and the EU. I see no problem there.

They'll probably up their taxes once they reach a higher standard of living, something that Estonia is doing right now.

Having high taxes is a mark of well-developed economy and having a high standard of living.

[Anonymous No.9102628]

>>9102586
>Well yeah, they're growing because they started from nothing and are supported by well-developed western nations and the EU. I see no problem there.
Meh, eurofunds are going into "convenient" political parties for the west, I know this from experience. Most growth in Bulgaria and Romania comes from their tech companies, which wouldn't be there if it hadn't been for low taxation.
>They'll probably up their taxes once they reach a higher standard of living, something that Estonia is doing right now.
When you can afford to stop growing you can raise taxes. Doesn't mean that raising taxes is good, quite the opposite actually.
>Having high taxes is a mark of well-developed economy and having a high standard of living.
Again, this is because countries that are already rich can afford the luxury of unsuccessfully trying to build communism. They'd all be better off without the higher taxes (see Singapore and Hong Kong).

[Anonymous No.9102639]

>>9101931
Notice this is coming at the same time as everyone catching on in tons of BCH threads that Bitcoin Core is a failed campaign to stop the coming ancap revolution.
We will not be swayed.

[Anonymous No.9102673]

>>9102628
How do you explain Finland then? They have no natural resources like Norway, they have very high taxes, been a welfare state since forever and their standard of living is one of the world's highest.

Or is it one of those "It's going to collapse in the future because it doesn't align with my ideology and I have no way to show it" type of things.

[Anonymous No.9102690]

>>9102586
>up their taxes
>Having high taxes
You talking about corporate, income or VAT?

[Anonymous No.9102705]

>>9101931

I suggest you to move to Brazil then

t. brazilian, taxes so high even our mcdonalds is one of the most expensive in the world, our cars probably the most

[Anonymous No.9102720]

>>9102705

[Anonymous No.9102738]

>>9102673
>Or is it one of those "It's going to collapse in the future because it doesn't align with my ideology and I have no way to show it" type of things.
?????????
Finland is literally fucked due to their debt situation right now. Here's an article from 3 years ago, predicting those 3 years. All predictions were proven true:
http://www.businessinsider.com/finland-is-in-a-grave-situation-2015-6
Also, they literally just declared their "universal basic income" experiment a failure this week.
And no, they will not be in ruins in 5 years. But they have 2 options right now:
1. Begin to slowly implement austerity measures and have a smooth transition into a more business-friendly environment
2. Do nothing for another decade and become Greece #2
They'll go for #1, even their latest elections show their willingness to do the smart thing early

[Anonymous No.9102748]

>>9102673
but Finland is white

[Anonymous No.9102762]

France is more socialist in general than nordics. They even tried so called millionaire tax which caused mass exodus of millionaires.

Italy too is heavily taxed. Both france and italy have so much debt 20% of their taxes go simply pay debt interest.

[Anonymous No.9102778]

[Anonymous No.9102829]

In the early United States, only imported and luxury goods like tobacco, sugar, and liquor were taxed.

[Anonymous No.9102831]

>>9102738
There might be small changes, but it'll continue to be a high tax nation on average.

So Finland will continue prosper and be a nice place to live in. Glad we agree.

[Anonymous No.9102923]

Also if we look closer we can clearly see how much of a burden middle-eastern migrants are for the nation. Sweden is quickly sinking in all measures, following the path of France. Denmark and Finland have avoided migrant crisis.

[Anonymous No.9102941]

>>9102831
>There might be small changes, but it'll continue to be a high tax nation on average.
That's very generalized speaking. Their socialist dream doubled their debt in less than a decade, so they had to face reality and start being financially conservative. And they've shown willingness to do so, by the way, their last 3 years have been good fiscally.
But this came at the expense of frozen (or even lowered or removed) welfare payments. Some /r/futurism experiments were called a "failure." Of course, their taxes will have to remain high because their debt still needs to be repaid, and you can't just quickly cut welfare without risking a violent revolution. But they are taking a turn, and are good proof that high taxes are actually not sustainable.
By the way, one thing I agree with, is that high taxes are not the most damaging "commie" factor for an economy, regulations are. Finland and Denmark hate regulations, so they managed to survive high taxation much longer than some low-tax countries with stupid regulatory institutions. That said, reality does confirm that the best combination is "low-regulation-low-taxation"

[Anonymous No.9102997]

>>9102201
No should just kys

[Anonymous No.9103079]

>>9102941
The Finns are notorious for the amount of rules and regulations they have. There's a rule or regulation for anything.

[Anonymous No.9103217]

>>9102375
I would too, but man... seeing the idiots from /pol losing their money in the market is hilarious. Make /biz/ a feel-good area and keep calm. The schadenfreude will be incredible.

[Anonymous No.9103252]

>>9103079
Yeah, fuck all those rules and regulations. Because third world problems are better than first world problems. Who cares if we have a factory collapse every 3 months killing hundreds? Better than dealing with annoying inspectors and building codes.

[Anonymous No.9103551]

>>9102375
>furfaggot
Opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.9103560]

>>9101931

the higher the taxes the lower the mobility rate of the citizens. fact. high taxes = caste system

[Anonymous No.9103577]

>>9101931
>Countries with high degree of homogeneity (for the time being) have high rates of trust
Must be because of the taxes

Here's your (You)

[Anonymous No.9103653]

>>9103551
teehee they are cute tho :3c

[Anonymous No.9103697]

>>9101931
>regions of high immigration have low trust
>regions with exploding immigration have falling trust
He was right you know.

[Anonymous No.9103755]

>>9101931

>work
>pay taxes
>immigrants move in
>don’t work, cause crime
>tax money goes to take care of them

Herp derp

[Anonymous No.9103903]

>>9101931
It's the other way around. Countries with historically low taxes became rich. Neither England nor America had an income tax in the 19th century, and that's when the explosion of wealth that brought them to where they are occurred. The problem is with low taxation and economic freedoms the resulting economic growth still generates an enormous tax income for the government, making it bigger; hence why in the developed economies it is so overbearing nowadays. The countries with low taxation and lax regulation today will be the developed countries of tomorrow while what used to be the first world will stagnate and likely collapse. The ideal is an anarcho-capitalist society where no taxation or regulation exist as that will generate the most wealth and well-being. Not my first language, didn't proofread my comment, just couldn't pass on an opportunity to educate a commie.

[Anonymous No.9103922]

>>9101931
I wish all the people who think taxes are justified in any circumstance would be forcefully killed

[Anonymous No.9104193]

>generally speaking
>lumps england, scotland, wales and northern ireland into one country.
Great job on this.

[Anonymous No.9104241]

>>9103903
dude, people in europe were literally starving at the end of the 19th century. thats why communism, workers rights, socialism and big gov became a thing.

ancap didnt work.

[Anonymous No.9104253]

>>9104241
neither does communism, and it became a thing because of (((them))) you kike

[Anonymous No.9104276]

>>9103697
>>9103577
the graph shows the complete opposite.

>>9103560
? i have no clue what your post is meant to say.

[Anonymous No.9104280]

>>9104253
there are other systems than just ancap and communism desu

[Anonymous No.9104355]

>>9103903
>Neither England nor America had an income tax in the 19th century, and that's when the explosion of wealth
>explosion of wealth

[Anonymous No.9104370]

>ancap
>explosion of wealth

[Anonymous No.9104400]

>explosion of wealth

[Anonymous No.9104513]

>>9104400
"Explosion of wealth"

>People used to be poor
>Aren't now
>Capitalism has made more people more wealthy than any other system
>You blame capitalism for them being poor in the first place
You're retarded

[Anonymous No.9104651]

>>9104513
it wasnt capitalism that made them wealthy. it was capitalism + socialism. as the pictures whow you capitalism alone only makes a few people rich. it does nothing for the poor.

[Anonymous No.9104669]

>>9104276

you would understand if you could l2 economics. try googling the terms first then see if you can decipher what I wrote.

[Anonymous No.9104713]

>>9104355

>if we remove useless regulations everyone will suddenly start throwing their trash out the windows and shitting in the streets
>google and microsoft will demand workers 14 hour workdays
>coal mining will be a major problem, even though solar is cheaper

It's amazing how socialists think everyone is retarded and the only reason they don't throw shit at each other is because the government doesn't let them. It's like religions when they say that people would have no morals without religion. But why am I even surprised when socialism is just as dogmatic and illogical as religion..

[Anonymous No.9104719]

>>9104651
>He thinks economics is a zero sum game
Just because someone has more money than you doesn't mean you're less well off

[Anonymous No.9104746]

>>9104669
you didnt even specify what tax you meant. income tax? property tax? inheritance tax? or fees?

i also highly doubt that "caste-system is an economic term.

and also no citation whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.9104768]

>>9104719
>Just because someone has more money than you doesn't mean you're less well off

ehm... actually thats exactly what it means.

[Anonymous No.9104835]

>>9104768
This is amazing, this proves you have no grasp on economics or you're being deliberately obtuse.

Someone may have more money than you, but if your own standard of living has increased compared to where it was previously you're better off. The pie got bigger overall, it doesn't matter what slice you have.

[Anonymous No.9104842]

>>9104713
Just look at India or any other poor country you dumb fuck, once you remove regulations you will start drinking cancerous crap on your water, if you're not already.

[Anonymous No.9104868]

Pic unrelated?

What does a bunch of countries that are being taken over with muslims have to do with this?

[Anonymous No.9104876]

>>9104713
are you strawmanning or can you simply not read?

[Anonymous No.9104878]

>>9101931
france has higher taxation than every other country in this map

[Anonymous No.9104915]

>>9104878
now guess what is the difference between france and scandinavian countries?
in france, aggressive immigration from african countries started in the 50s

[Anonymous No.9104995]

>>9104713

Dude, there is no dichotomy like capitalism/communism. There are more than two economical approaches to structure the underlying society.

And trickle down is equaly disproven as bullshit as is communism. So why is becoming a bit more "socialist" (like Germany with a social democracy with a social market economy) communist bullshit, but people believing in trickle down are not considered equally retarded?

We wait for trickle down for almost 40 years now.
It!
Does!
Not!
Work!

[Anonymous No.9105011]

>>9104835
but back then when industrialization kicked in the standard of living went downhill fast. it wasnt before the implentation of socialist practices that it went back up again.

and thats still not what my post was about, this proves you have no grasp on reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.9105049]

>>9104995
Trickle down theory is a strawman, no one supports it.
You're either stupid or gaslighting.

[Anonymous No.9105115]

>>9105049
You did read the thread, no?

>>9103903
>The problem is with low taxation and economic freedoms the resulting economic growth still generates an enormous tax income for the government, making it bigger; hence why in the developed economies it is so overbearing nowadays.

It might suprise you, but especially in good ol' 'murica, many people still believe in trickle down.

[Anonymous No.9105118]

>>9105011
Cite specific policy and give quantitative metrics or gtfo
> "and thats still not what my post was about, this proves you have no grasp on reading comprehension."

Keep moving the goalposts, you'll still get a helicopter ride in the end.
It was what your post was about, everyone reading this thread can see that

[Anonymous No.9105136]

>>9101931
Listing attributes of a rich white country doesn't mean a particular attribute is responsible.

[Anonymous No.9105162]

>>9105115
Give me a post that supports trickle down.
And I'll show you that it's just a mischaracterisation on your part

[Anonymous No.9105189]

>>9105162

Oh, look - the post who started this discussion.
>>9103903

[Anonymous No.9105259]

>>9105189
This isn't trickle down theory, mostly because trickle down theory doesn't exist outside of strawman attacks on free market advocates.
Also because it comes from a misguided assumption that the economy is a zero sum game.
Please refer to >>9104835

[Anonymous No.9105284]

>>9101931
It's not the taxes, it's the race of the people who live there that matters.

[Anonymous No.9105296]

explain this then

[Anonymous No.9105345]

>>9101931
isnt that just a measure of how white those countries are?

[Anonymous No.9105447]

Having low taxation does not promote growth. Most of the shittiest nations have low taxes. Meanehile high taxation nations continue to grow and prosper.

[Anonymous No.9105449]

>>9105345
>germany, sweden, austria
>white

pick one

[Anonymous No.9105486]

>>9105447
Exactly, because they have the money to put into infrastructure that will benefit everyone, instead of all the money going into the pockets of a few obscenely rich assholes.

[Anonymous No.9105499]

>>9105447
i guess it depends on what is being taxed and how the tax money is being used. in many countries you also get a certain amount of your taxes back.

[Anonymous No.9105566]

>>9105447
maybe low tax countries aren't taxed because they don't produce shit worth taxing?

[Anonymous No.9105630]

>>9105447
they have low tax because they want to promote growth, to grow out of their shithole

[Anonymous No.9105691]

>>9105447
Productive nations continue to prosper despite high taxation
There, I fixed it for you

[Anonymous No.9105734]

>>9105259
>This isn't trickle down theory

[Anonymous No.9105767]

>>9105734
I explained why it's not, continue being a brainlet if that's your motivation

[Anonymous No.9105833]

>>9101931
Or it's all about corruption, culture, how people are. Did you read the text on your picture?

[Anonymous No.9105856]

>>9105630
>>9105691
That's like saying high corruption promotes growth because growing nations might have high corruption but developed nations don't.

[Anonymous No.9105867]

>>9105767

[Anonymous No.9105876]

>>9101931
>well-off countries can support a bigger handicap than poor-off countries
next you'll be asking why the Pheasants with the heaviest draggy tails can fly the best (it's because they're strong enough to support that huge tail and not die)

[Anonymous No.9105894]

>>9101931
>finland
>trust
if they have so much trust why do they need government-indoctrinated eyes in the family home?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vMxDSeqyq0

[Anonymous No.9105928]

>>9105867
An insult isn't an ad hominem

[Anonymous No.9105929]

>>9104241
Actually Communism spread because young working class men were sick of being sent to their deaths by elites.

[Anonymous No.9105947]

>>9105856
No, it's really not

[Anonymous No.9105976]

>>9104842

>lets just compare first world countries with people that has always lived in abject poverty for centuries

I can't even begin to comprehend how people like you can be so fucking retarded honestly.

>>9104876

Are you so stupid to understand that the culture and values of people in the 21st century are completely different from people who lived in a time with no running water or electricity?

>>9104995

Of course there is no dichotomy capitalism/socialism, capitalism is just socialism light, it's already bad enough as it is but somehow retards will fix things making it even worse than it is.

I repeat if you're a socialist in rhe 21st century you don't have a functional brain, it's like technology and globalization doesn't exist for this fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.9106004]

>>9105976
>Are you so stupid to understand that the culture and values of people in the 21st century are completely different from people who lived in a time with no running water or electricity?

i have no idea what you are trying to say.

[Anonymous No.9106099]

>>9106004

Not surprised reading your comments. What I'm saying is that we have to let mexicans in because Americans aren't willing to pick their own fruits, but somehow retards like you think that everyone will have to work 14 hours workdays just because there's no law banning it anymore.

There's just no excuse to be a socialist anymore, globalization has won, deal with it.

[Anonymous No.9106110]

>>9105928
ad hominem ="attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument"

an insult is quite literally an attack on a person.

>insult (n.)
>c. 1600, "an attack;"
https://www.etymonline.com/word/insult

[Anonymous No.9106139]

>>9106110
You would have had to make an argument in the first place for this to be true.

I addressed your claim on trickle down, you ignored it. Then I insulted you.

[Anonymous No.9106142]

>>9106099
americans dont pick fruits because farmers dont want to pay a fair price for the work. shit like that is the reason we need socialism.

[Anonymous No.9106148]

>>9101931
Unironically true

[Anonymous No.9106162]

>>9106139
Oops, I thought it was >>9105867 posting
Congrats you're still wrong though

[Anonymous No.9106304]

>>9106142

I don't know why I even argue with socialists, in first world countries 40% of the population doesn't have jobs, yet these people want $15 dollars minimum wage. If socialists get their way we will have 90% unemployment in a few years and they don't even understand why...

[Anonymous No.9106378]

>>9106304
why should everyone work?

we need economy to fulfill our needs and if we dont need everyone to work for that then thats great.

currently economys goal seems to be to make some people filthy rich and to turn everyone else into wageslaves. thats a perversion of the system.

[Anonymous No.9106434]

>>9106378
If you don't work you don't eat, you're not entitled to someone else's labour you scum. I doubt you even understand Marxism or socialism, you just want gibs

[Anonymous No.9106503]

>>9106378
im dreaming of a future where capital and property arent important and people only work for merits and to progress humanity.

property tax 100%
capital tax 100%
inheritance tax 100%

[Anonymous No.9106510]

>>9102778
B E L G I U M

[Anonymous No.9106521]

>>9106434
why work when it is not needed? useless work is useless.

open your mind.

[Anonymous No.9106532]

>>9106378

It isn't about money you stupid fuck, it's about power, why the fuck do you think unions exist? To lobby the government to do what they want, the same reason corporate lobbies exist. What you want is a small group of businessmen, the few workers that are left and the crony politicians controlling the economy, and the rest of the population living of the scraps they want to give them. Nice world we will have retard.

[Anonymous No.9106547]

>>9106521
Open yours, by cracking it on the pavement

[Anonymous No.9106558]

>>9106532
>Nice world we will have retard.
i think we are already living in such a world. you gotta be blind to not see it.

[Anonymous No.9106639]

>>9106547
many people simply arent needed in todays economy and the only way to give them work will be to give them useless work that noone needs just for the sake of it or to turn them into slaves so they might be cheaper than a robot at least for some time.

[Anonymous No.9106643]

Not paying taxes ever. Feels good man.

[Anonymous No.9106666]

>>9106558

So we'll take everything that's bad today and make it worse, that'll fix it.

We are moving towards an automated world, we won't need so many workers, we'll need investors that see potential opportunities and invest in them, socialisn makes no sense in the world that's coming.

[Anonymous No.9106717]

>>9106639
The solution isn't to seize productive people's property

[Anonymous No.9106760]

>>9106666
only rich people can live on investing.
you either give the unemployed masses wellfare or they will die and before they die they will try to mount your head on a pike.

[Anonymous No.9106799]

>>9102018
So Italy and Spain are not socialistic countries? This basically just compares innovation among a bunch of socialist countries. Show me a graphic of yuropoor innovation compared to the US.

[Anonymous No.9106874]

>>9106717
yes, maybe 100% property tax is too harsh but the accumulation of capital must be prevented and every child should have the same starting credits so no inheritance of money or property whatsoever, rewards only for personal achievement. non-achievers get basic income.

[Anonymous No.9106914]

>>9106874
It's amazing how you can advocate for the seizing of people's property at the threat of violence so nonchalantly.

[Anonymous No.9106927]

>>9102489
Fun fact: Norway is using all of its oil money to subsidize electric car usage and other green stuff

[Anonymous No.9106969]

>>9102355
>communism did a number on them
they were poor and behind the rest long before they became communist. eastern european lands were agrarian areas for germany, austria and russia. they never had much industy going on. actually in many cases communism brought them industry for the first time.

[Anonymous No.9107001]

>>9106914
capitalism is theft. im only advocating for the return of what was stolen.

[Anonymous No.9107077]

>>9107001
>Economic system based on voluntary exchange
>Theft

Pick one

[Anonymous No.9107142]

>>9106760

You can invest whatever you have, you can invest your time in building a vending machine and live off its profit.

You don't understand that for there to be welfare someone has to have such control over the economy that creates a lot of corruption and other problems.

Whatever welfare you want it just isn't sustainable in a globalized world, you can keep your population hostage like the communists did but in this day and age money will just flow through borders and won't give a fuck about your taxes and controls. You realize that crypto doesn't give a shit about borders right?

[Anonymous No.9107152]

>>9106914
>It's amazing how you can advocate for the seizing of people's property at the threat of violence so nonchalantly.

>>9106874
>no inheritance of money or property whatsoever

How exactly is the prevention of inheritance seizing people's property? I mean - 100% is a bit high, I would cap it more to an value equivalent of e.g. a house in the area the people last lived.

It is not that one earned millions, just because he/she is born into the right family. That is snowflake entitlement by definition.

[Anonymous No.9107194]

>>9107077
>voluntary
how is it not voluntary if the workforce demands a fair share and wants socialist practices to be implaced.

the shareholders of apple are free to say no to that deal, take a seat in the factory and do the work on their own.

its actually free market and you like free market, dont you?

[Anonymous No.9107226]

>>9107152

Explain to me exactly how will you take all my crypto my heirs would inherit?

[Anonymous No.9107234]

>>9107001
>capitalism is theft. im only advocating for the return of what was stolen
... by stealing it

You can all go fuck yourselves. Both things are 2 sides of the same evil coin.

[Anonymous No.9107290]

>>9107226
i can make it worthless by controlling the exchanges and by inspecting your property.
gotta lambo? have you earned it with government authorized credits? no? too bad, it belongs to the people now.

[Anonymous No.9107329]

>>9107226
>Explain to me exactly how will you take all my crypto my heirs would inherit?

Explain to me, what exactly your heirs want to do with all your crypto, when all the government needs to do is call the banks and oblige them to report any transfer from fiat/crypto and back and seize all funds from such transfers?

>inb4 muh free libertarian daydream with no fiat and all adopting cryptocurrencies

[Anonymous No.9107362]

>>9107234
you cannot steal what belongs to you in the first place. the people own the land. america is the land of the americans, not the land of the investors and shareholders and proprietors.

private persons, companies etc. can only temporarily lease it under certain conditions but it never truly belongs solely to them.

[Anonymous No.9107382]

all of the pathetic poor and jealous people in this thread are just going to keep pumping my crypto millions higher and higher as rich people start putting more of their money into crypto to keep their own money safe.

all you're going to do is make the rich richer trying to advocate for higher taxes or (((redistribution)))

[Anonymous No.9107402]

>>9107290

"To the people", you mean to the politicians and bureaucrats? In the future we will have cryptographic ownership, without my private key that lambo will be useless.

Anyways just like I said before you will have to start building berlin walls all over, because all productive people will be getting the fuck out of there, do you think there won't be places like Singapore eager to receive all that productive people and offer them better conditions?

Are you aware what brain drain is? Enjoy your country of worthless leeches where everyone productive will get the fuck out soon.

[Anonymous No.9107412]

>>9107329
rich people can do whatever the we want, you can't. if you try and make it hard to cash out crypto, we'll just fly over to another country and do it there, where they'll be circling like vultures to try and open an account for you.

why do you think anyone with money, power, or both, is even going to entertain any ideas that try to give any of those things to a bunch of undeserving poor people?

[Anonymous No.9107422]

>>9102201
Socialist must pay first. At a 80% tax rate

[Anonymous No.9107436]

>>9107329

Boy you're up for a rough ride if you think digital assets in blockchains will always be the meme coins we have today...

[Anonymous No.9107498]

>>9104513
>People used to be poor
Lol, define poor. Looking at >>9104355
>>9104370
and >>9104400
I'd rather live in 1 AD in a pristine Euro forest with a qt waifu together with a nice tribe of people like me.
Of course the people in said picture would be told I was poor...

Also please remember to remove semitic influences from your capitalism.

[Anonymous No.9107509]

>>9103560
Totally impossible for normal people to accumulate wealth. That's the point of high taxes. The smart rich and the dumd poor united to fuck you

[Anonymous No.9107535]

>>9107498
>I'd rather live in 1 AD in a pristine Euro forest

Until you die from a toothache at 23

[Anonymous No.9107566]

>>9104241
I'm pretty sure it was because a efficient economy and not because lack of technology. Curious that communism achieve the same with more advanced tech.

[Anonymous No.9107580]

>>9107535
>living longer is automatically better
I'd accept dying at 40 though.

[Anonymous No.9107632]

>>9107412
>rich people can do whatever the we want, you can't.

Erm... I would be very(!) suprised, if someone in this thread would actually top the value of what my family owns in real estate alone.

Still, I will renounce all of this when my parents die, aside from the house I grew up in. I am man enough, to actually go my own way and let the memory of my parents live through my own deeds. Not via squandering money like a chad you dream to be.

[Anonymous No.9107667]

>>9107580

You will likely die before the age of 4 retard

[Anonymous No.9107674]

>>9107632
Also I want to add: even though I (technically) do not need to work, I do so. My kid goes to a normal school and no one of my coworkers know what my family owns. Hell, my wife did not had a clue what I had until our girl could walk.

[Anonymous No.9107730]

>>9101931
Then why do all the best thinkers discredit egalitarianism in favor of inequality? Not all inequality is bad and you’re delusional if you think people in a socialist country are “free.” This is what the smartest thinkers in our world think, what makes you smarter?

[Anonymous No.9107737]

>>9107580
To expand.
>Current year era
>primary education till 12
>secondary till 17/18
>tertiary education till mid 20-s
>work some shitty job
>live in shitty house
>meet somebody
>break up
>new relation
>about 33
>yay kids.
>don't see kids grow up because working full time
>etc

>1AD
>Get born
>work on land/hunt with tribe members
>outside in beautiful nature
>clean air
>marry virgin qt at 17 or something
>stay together because don't want to upset the gods and marriage actually means something
>build house together with friends
>first kids at 19
>grandkids at 38
>die at 40

[Anonymous No.9107751]

>>9107667
>Dying before even knowing the implications of living and dying is bad.

[Anonymous No.9107767]

>>9107362
The land is literally nothing without a human brain. Why do you Africa is worth nothing but Japan is the opposite? You are a fucking subhuman

[Anonymous No.9107771]

>>9107632

It's not about sharing or giving your wealth away, it's about having a political class that are leeches who think they're entitled to tell you what you should do with your possessions, and then after taking it away from you use it to benefit themselves and their friends and make stupid decisions that make all of society poorer.

[Anonymous No.9107820]

>>9107566
it was due to wages being so low that even children had to work. people were so poor they had to timeshare their bed with strangers. when you were at work the other guy would sleep in your bed. also no care for work safety, no health insurance, no unemployment insurance, no pensions.

it was the darkest of ages.

it dehumanized the people to such an extent that they turned to nazism and communism and started world wars.

any guy who wants those times back is either a monster or an ignorant fool.

[Anonymous No.9107893]

>>9107771
>having a political class that are leeches who think they're entitled to tell you what you should do with your possessions, and then after taking it away from you use it to benefit themselves and their friends and make stupid decisions that make all of society poorer.

sounds an awful lot like capitalists to me.

[Anonymous No.9107922]

>having a political class that are leeches who think they're entitled to tell you what you should do with your possessions, and then after taking it away from you use it to benefit themselves and their friends and make stupid decisions that make all of society poorer.

[Anonymous No.9107938]

>>9107820

Any retard that thinks those times can come back because politicians aren't allowed to control more than 50% of the gdp is a real idiot.

[Anonymous No.9107975]

>>9107922
>>9107893

And we're gonna fix it by giving the politicians control over everything with 100% taxes on everything.

Are you that stupid or are you just pretending?

[Anonymous No.9108012]

>>9107975
this

I don't understand how someone can be so unironically breandead to advocate replacing shit with shit on steroids.

[Anonymous No.9108025]

>>9107975
option a: give control to rich people
option b: give control to people that need my vote

i take b. i think its called democracy or sg. like that.

[Anonymous No.9108067]

>>9107771
>political class that are leeches
No one said that all politicians are good.
Some are good, some are bad, no denying in that.

But if you do not live in Russia, Ukraine, USA or another totalitarian regime with an established political upper class and bottomless corruption, you have an actual incentive to make society as permeable as possible. Which includes high taxes to pay for a better social equilibrium across all social classes.

I still can almost guarantee, that my girl will have a far superior education over the child of the average factory worker, because she spoke two languages and has seen other continents before she went to school. But this other child of the factory worker is not excluded from rising in society via his own deeds and merits, if I pay higher taxes for a better school.

Is a universal income feasible to reach this result? No, not alone. Because the factory worker still needs something to do, if he is replaced by a robot or Bangladesh and sits at home. Work is important for ones mind and body, you waste away if you do nothing productive.
Would it be a correct step into a stable society? Yes.

[Anonymous No.9108086]

>>9108025

Rich people can't force you to give them your property, pay taxes or devalue the money you have in your pocket creating more out of thin air, politicians can.

[Anonymous No.9108119]

>>9108086
exactly.

[Anonymous No.9108141]

>>9108086
>never heard about lobbyism

[Anonymous No.9108166]

>>9108067

I'm a citizen of the world, I have an incentive to buy my phone from a chinese factory and my vegetables from an african farm. Just because I live in europe I don't have an incentive to pay taxes to give hundreds of billions in subsidies to french farmers or paying twice for my phone to have it made in Germany. If those workers or farmers want to work in those areas they should move to where they are competitive, not force me and everyone else to subsidize their inefficient ass.

[Anonymous No.9108181]

>>9108141

Who you gonna lobby if there's no government retard? The smaller the government the less useful lobbyism is...

[Anonymous No.9108297]

>>9108166
You argue with inefficiency (one, that is actually declining for decades already, when we look at the amount of trade barriers all over the world) to make a case that the invisible hand is more efficient than reasonable implementations to prevent market failure.

>>9108181
If there is not enough government, you have a failed state, as history has proven over and over and over.
Examples: Von Ormy, Galt's Gulch, Colorado Springs

Please stop being so edgy like the average teenager. To make something better, you need to renovate, not demolish. If you demolish a house without a plan how to rebuild it afterwards, you end up living in a cave. If you demolish a single wall, you can hang a curtain over the hole but you are still protected from the weather.

[Anonymous No.9108418]

I studied tax law in the Netherlands. And i honestly find it hard to say whether this country is a high or low tax country, as it can be both. The laws are all patchwork that dont match reality and are filled with holes. Just like in most countries really.

[Anonymous No.9108426]

correlation =/= causation

[Anonymous No.9108445]

>>9101931

Like everything these days balancing the scales seems to be the best method. So, taxes being too low will cause problems, but so will taxes that are too high. Taxes over 60 percent are bound to cause a domino effect on the economy and will interrupt innovation and the job market.

Secondly, it depends on the government and how resourceful they are. Generally, Social Democratic countries are run well democratically and corruption is unheard of; their leaders and politicians know what sectors and markets are best for funding and distributing money for so it will allow economic growth and job creation. For example, the German government fund a substantial amount into education and highly skilled apprenticeship programs, due to this their workforce will tend to be more skilled and qualified for jobs that require a great deal of knowledge and a contentious mindset - from this people will tend to earn higher salaries and consume more thus growing the economy. However, if you were to take other countries with high taxes such as Argentina they tend to do substantially worse economically - why? Because most of their politicians are greedy, corrupt, and they aren't resourceful with the money they make.

Thirdly, it is unwise to willingly make a statement and come to such conclusions. For example, Switzerland have relatively low taxes and yet they are economically and socially prosperous. What about the city state of Singapore? Or Dubai? The list goes on. There are good and bad things about high taxes and yet there are also good and bad points with low taxes.

[Anonymous No.9108466]

https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

[Anonymous No.9108487]

>>9108297

Oh I'm making something better, just not for spoiled first worlders, I can assure you global inequality will plummet fast, once there are no tariffs and subsidies african produce will flood european markets. The more efficient workers, usually in the poorest places, will be getting most of the business, entitled americans that want $15 minimum wage will have to compete with indian workers. Africa and south asia will flourish, billions will lift out of poverty.

It is a better world, just not for spoiled first worlders.

[Anonymous No.9108500]

>>9102106
How is racism bad or even relevant in this discussion?

You do realize these places just underwent communism right? Real legit socialism right?

You realize that these poor white European states in Europe still look nicer then most of the world right?

BEHOLD THE POOREST COUNTRY IN EUROPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0o--lFVZ0E

Its almost like places with whites really are nicer.

[Anonymous No.9108521]

>>9102375
>places like Norway (or even Sweden, the /pol/ favorite) won't be dystopian hellholes after 20 years.

Why do you deny this when there is literally real-life examples of former first world white nations collapsing into dystopian nightmares (South Africa, Rhodesia)?

[Anonymous No.9108591]

>>9102375

Just be careful about it, Australia is up there too and they might be falling hard soon

https://medium.com/@matt_11659/matt-barrie-australias-economy-is-a-house-of-cards-6877adb3fb2f

[Anonymous No.9108787]

>>9108487
Congrats, such an action would force western countries into anything in between continous social riots and straight civil war, after a couple of years we would have Trump, Abe, Le Penis and the AfD make the economies of western states more protectionistic than ever before. The world will decline into economical crisis for an unforeseeable time, you ensured wide isolationism and animosities against free trade for at least decades, Mr. Edgelord.

But wait, we could approach technological advancement less sudden, spread efficiency in western countries as well as in developing countries and let all humans prosper from the cost savings.

With what? Maybe costs savings from replacing workers with robots could lead the owner of the factory to "pay" a share of said savings to the government?
Oh, wait, this is called "taxes" and suddenly, I am an evil communist, who prefers to take away your heiritage, because I obviously have nothing to inherit myself.

Seriously, you made me laugh.

[Anonymous No.9108891]

It goes without saying there are some euro countries with not too bright future ahead =D

[Anonymous No.9109125]

>>9108787

Who cares if a country turns protectionist, all productive people and their capital will move to the open economies, if you want to make the situation even worse go ahead and become protectionist, you will only be shooting youself in the foot, sadly globalization is here to stay and it doesn't give a fuck about spoiled yuros and americans crying for socialism.

[Anonymous No.9109391]

I think that there should be some redistribution of wealth. But redistribution should only target people who have a net worth of at least $2 million (fuck you money). Maybe $3 million because real estate is so expensive these days.

Wage cucks should have tax cuts across the board. And government spending needs to go way down.

Given the difficulty of determining who has $3 million in wealth or not (since the government only collects income data, home ownership and car ownership data. They don't have your bank account and stock ownership holdings. And sharing that information with the government would be very intrusive), what we could do is introduce a new tax on the top 0.1-1% while also introducing a new tax-shelter savings account (that can be tied to investments like stocks, bonds, crypto, etc) that allows you to defer up to $3 million worth of income in taxation.

Most of the people on /biz/ are not rich and will never be rich. And a disproportionately large percentage of rich people are Jews. I don't understand why right-wingers (including /biz/ posters) are quick to defend rich people when they themselves are not rich. If you were born into wealth, you did nothing to earn that. And if you made multi-millions and billions of dollars, you did it by fucking other people over. Why should a handful of people (many of whom are Jews) live the good life while the vast majority of society is stuck in slavery? (wage cucking). It makes zero sense to defend rich people when almost none of you faggots will get rich.

[Anonymous No.9109511]

>>9107820
Children have been working and people sharing shelter since the dawn of humanity. And it was a lack of tech not a lack of a system that allows people to freele exchange and keep their work.

[Anonymous No.9109550]

>>9101931
Swede here, I don't really mind paying 30% of my profit in taxes because I know it'll be put to good use. If it was like in USA where what, 70% goes into the military I would probably not pay taxes at all even though they are lower.

[Anonymous No.9109571]

>>9109391
You are right 99% of society is deep into slavery. More taxcuck is the solution to taxslavery. Scientifically Marxist

[Anonymous No.9109601]

What about Switzerland, Luxembourg and Singapore then? Check mate communists.

[Anonymous No.9109634]

>>9102489
fun fact: Norway have invested their money into stuff and their fund is now worth over a trillion USD. not billion, trillion.

even if oil became useless tomorrow they will generate enough money for centuries from smart investments.

yes sweden is jelly

[Anonymous No.9109635]

>>9109571
You really think that taxation is the reason why you are a slave? And not the fact that employers take the entire product of your labour and give you only a fraction of the value of what you produce? Right-wingers are incredibly classcucked. I swear to God.

You hate your government for taking your money but defend your Jewish employer for skimming a large cut from your labour. That checks out.

Wage cucks should be taxed less. Probably a lot less. But the top 0.1-1% should be paying way more. They are the primary reason why 99% of society is in slavery. They own the means of production. So they will pay you as little as humanly possible to make productive use out of their capital for them. And then pocket all the profit minus your paltry wage for themselves.

[Anonymous No.9109705]

Also who do you think the government serves? You do know that the vast majority of donations to government officials are from corporations right?

Libertarians/right-wingers are so off-the-mark. They hate government. But give a pass to big business. Meanwhile who do you think is bribing the government? FFS.

[Anonymous No.9109917]

>>9109705
See >>9108141 - libertarians seem to think these influences disappear as soon as their fantasy becomes reality.

[Anonymous No.9109920]

>>9109705
>"Libertarians/right-wingers are so off-the-mark. They hate government. But give a pass to big business. Meanwhile who do you think is bribing the government? FFS."

Braindead Marxist, there's no point bribing the government if there's no power to be had

[Anonymous No.9109953]

>>9109920
Government can be supplanted with a number natural hierarchies such as Aristocracies and Monarchs who bear responsibility in exchange for pledging money

[Anonymous No.9110094]

>>9101931
Other way around, retard. Government can tax people who are well off without them bitching

[Anonymous No.9110358]

>>9109920
>Braindead Marxist, there's no point bribing the government if there's no power to be had
You really think that society can function properly without a government?

This is the problem I have with modern libertarianism. Libertarianism used to mean small government. Now it is basically supplanted by anarcho-capitalists.

I would consider myself libertarian-leaning. But why should I defend a system where X% of people never have to work a day in their life while the vast majority of us are slaves until 65+? Everyone here aspires to become rich (including myself). But the vast majority of us are not gonna make it. So what benefit is it to you to defend rich people? Rich people either inherited their wealth (the worst) or they won the start-up lottery and accumulated so much wealth that they could just quit right now. But they won't because they are either bored or they want even more stuff (greed).

It wouldn't hurt to tax the rich. Tax the top 0.1-1% tax bracket. I'm not saying do what they do in Sweden where wage cucks are getting taxed 50% to pay for single moms knocked up by Tyrone, Mohammad the refugee and government employees.

The size of government should be shrinked considerably. However the rich have made their money off the backs of the wage cucks for so long. They should be forced to give something back to the wage cucks. Tax cuts for wage cucks, tax hikes on the rich.

[Anonymous No.9110407]

>>9110358
Other people being rich has no bearing on you, the economy isn't a zero sum game.

>>9104835

[Anonymous No.9110437]

>>9110407
>Other people being rich has no bearing on you, the economy isn't a zero sum game.
And how do you think rich people got rich? Off the backs of their workers and by fucking over their customers. The higher your profits, the more that you cuckolded someone.

[Anonymous No.9110439]

Except for Venezuela, Brazil, South Africa, and Argentina. None of these countries can ever get their shit together despite being government spending capitals of the world

[Anonymous No.9110566]

>>9110358
depends completely where you live. europe have very high progressive tax system. min wage(cucks) pay very small taxes. in nordic less, in germany progression in less minwagecucks pay more taxes, something like 20-25% easily.

but even in murica if you put 100% tax for top500 forbes list you will not balance budget for 6months and then you are back to normal. taxing very small tiny 1% group will not bring massive amounts of money in. it's the government size that is consuming too much. did not trump introduce 0% tax rate for americans low wages?

[Anonymous No.9110604]

>>9102285
I'll take this late capitalism over the starvation and death of any marxist society thanks. But if you want to go live somewhere marxist all the power to you just do everyone in the US a favour and take it elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.9110680]

>>9110439
These countries are run by retards. Human Development is very poor in these countries. I'll use Venezuela as an example since I'm most familiar with it.

Venezuela is heavily dependent on oil exports. Now that oil isn't as expensive as it used to be (oil has made somewhat of a rally recently apparently), Venezuela's economy has been EXPOSED. Venezuela has to develop other segments of their economy in order to get back to their previous standard of living.

Venezuela needs
- Workers with more in-demand skills in the global economy
- More efficient industrial and agricultural production methods

This is the most recent GDP and labour force by sector data that I can find on Venezuela. Sadly I can't do better analysis without more recent data
GDP by sector Venezuela
agriculture: 3.9%
industry: 32.9%
services: 63.2% (2015 est.)

Labor force - by occupation: agriculture: 7.3%
industry: 21.8%
services: 70.9% (4th quarter, 2011)

What I notice right away is that Venezuela has 7.3% of the population producing 3.9% of the wealth (agriculture). Their agriculture is inefficient. They need to invest in agricultural machinery and automate and scale their agribusiness. Instead of having small family farms. Small family farms don't produce a lot of wealth. Funny thing is even with all the farmers that Venezuela has, the supermarkets are empty and country is going hungry. LMFAO.

21.8% of the population is producing 32.9% of the wealth (industry). Good. Maybe Venezuela should build more factories and create more of their own shit. That way you don't have to rely on imports so much. Imports that Venezuela obviously can't afford right now.

70.9% of the population produces 63.2% of the wealth (service economy). You know what this tells me? Venezuela has too many unskilled white-collar labour (think secretaries and waitresses). They need more skilled white-collar labour (ie. IT professionals).

[Anonymous No.9110910]

>>9110604
>I'll take this late capitalism over the starvation and death of any marxist society thanks. But if you want to go live somewhere marxist all the power to you just do everyone in the US a favour and take it elsewhere.
Marxism hasn't been tried in a first world country though. Russia, Cuba, China were all very poor when socialism was implemented. You can't just create wealth out of thin air.

Right-wingers/libertarians think that socialism means "gibsmedats". NEETs in Soviet Russia got the gulag. EVERYONE able-bodied in Soviet Russia had to work. Lenin said "He who does not work, neither shall he eat." Before socialism in Russia you had rich aristocrats who never had to work. They had people work for them. After the Russian Revolution, the aristocrats had two options: Work or gulag (forced labour camp). And if you resist the gulag, you were shot.

The problem with Soviet Russia is that they were still an agricultural society when the Russian Revolution happened. They were barely even industrial at the time. Their level of human development was waaaaayyy behind the United States. The USSR was also run by retards. But the funny thing is, even though the USSR was run by idiots, Russia was better off under the Soviet Union than they are today. Only a small minority of Russians are better off today. Many of whom are rich Jews. The vast majority of Russians were better off under the USSR.

[Anonymous No.9111181]

If I lived in Soviet Russia, the Russian police would literally break into my house, come down my basement and drag my NEET crypto trading ass off to work. So when people think that socialism means giving welfare to single moms and Muhammad, I feel like throwing up a little.

Wage cucking 20 hours/week for the state isn't as bad as wage cucking 40+ hours/week for the Jew.

Gibsmedats = social democracy =/= socialism

Is socialism preferable to what we have now? It really depends on the competence of the people managing the economy. If you had everyone able-bodied working, EVERYONE (including rich people), you wouldn't need a 40 hour work week. The work week would probably be more like 20 hours.

Rich people would try to flee if they were forced to actually wage cuck for the state 20 hours/week. The state would freeze their bank accounts. Many rich people have assets stored in overseas bank accounts. So if the rich were forced to flee the country, they would start dumping your national currency on forex trading sites and the value of your currency would go down in the short-term. But devaluing the currency would only mean that imports would be more expensive. Your country would then be forced to make their own shit (the reason why we are fucked in the first place is because we aren't making our own shit. Your country would be able to sell a lot more exports.

Overall it would be more positive in the long-run to kick the bourgeoisie out (many of whom are actually Jewish. Capitalism is basically a secular Jewish religion.).

[Anonymous No.9111185]

>>9109550

Did you know that 50% of the EU budget goes to the CAP, which means to french and italian farmers that are encouraged to produce all the food they can and then it is dumped below production price in places like Russia and the Middle East. This means that african farmers not only can't export food to Europe but when exporting to other markets they have to compete with subsidized european products. The consequence of this is no jobs in africa and economic migrants flooding Europe, all to have some french farmers filling their pockets and buying pick up trucks.

The damage the US military causes in the world is peanuts compared to the damage agricultural subsidies cause.

[Anonymous No.9111779]

>>9110566
A minimum wage cuck working full-time where I live would pay 12.2% tax (20.05% marginal income tax rate but you don't pay any tax for the first X amount of income). $14CAD * 2080 hours/week = $29,120CAD. And that is ASSUMING that you get paid time off for sick days/vacation days. A lot of minimum wage cucks don't get paid time off. So their real income is less than that if they get sick or want to actually take a vacation.

And when I refer to "wage cucks", I am not referring to minimum wage workers specifically. I am referring to EVERYONE who has to work for a living. By that I mean everyone who doesn't have "fuck you money" (at least $2 million).

If you have more than "fuck you money" and you work just because you are bored or because you want more stuff, you are not a wage cuck. I understand that there are people out there who continue working even if they are rich because they get bored without something to do. Or because they want to upgrade their lifestyle. Those are the people that should be taxed. Everyone else who is trapped in slavery should get a tax cut.

>it's the government size that is consuming too much
We can downscale government as well. There is a tremendous amount of government waste. Including the Military and Prison-Industrial Complex that the Republican Party has poured billions and trillions of dollars into.

[Anonymous No.9111901]

LMAO OP IS A BRAINLET

These countries are sombre of the most free market counties on earth, taxes isn't everything.

Also Switzerland is one of the top 3 freest markets on earth and they have a much higher living standard than the rest of Europe.

The free market will always win.

[Anonymous No.9111929]

The more free market a country is, the better of its citizens are.

Look at Switzerland.

Kill all socialists.

Businesses should pay zero taxes.

[Anonymous No.9111941]

>>9110566
>but even in murica if you put 100% tax for top500 forbes list you will not balance budget for 6months and then you are back to normal. taxing very small tiny 1% group will not bring massive amounts of money in.

I agree that we should reduce government spending. I will have to point out that the government debt thing is a meme though. It's not like there is a loan shark out there that is going to be like "America, give us our fucking money bitch." No. Each person who holds a US dollar (including foreigners) has an IOU backed by the assets of the United States of America.

When Americans import shit from China, Chinese businessmen have US dollars - IOUs backed by the assets of the United States of America. The Chinese expect to redeem these US dollars for some sort of American asset. Usually American real estate. But the United States government can put restrictions on foreigners investing in real estate. So now what? If the Chinese can't redeem their US dollars for anything they want, they can start dumping US dollars on forex markets to people who want US dollars (like American citizens, since they need USD to pay taxes). This will cause the value of the US Dollar to go down.

So yes it's a debt that will have to be repaid indirectly. But not an actual direct debt. With all the trade deficits and deficit spending, America has been living on borrowed time. Foreign ownership of US real estate and businesses is the only thing keeping the US Dollar from tanking right now.

[Anonymous No.9111972]

>High taxes is actually a good thing.
>taxes is actually
>taxes is

[Anonymous No.9112094]

I would personally welcome a devaluation of the dollar because I think it's about damn fucking time that we stop relying so much on imports and learn how to make our own shit again. As a Canuck, I find Canada's lack of leadership in emerging economies like IT to be disgraceful. Canada used to be a market leader (ie. Blackberry). Now Canada has been left behind in the tech sector. These roasties running HR departments at Canadian tech firms need to stop with their SJW sensitivity training shit and start recruiting basement dwelling autists on 4chan. Instead of working for tech start-ups, many of Canada's autists are stuck in their parents' basement. Because no one will hire them after they made a racist comment online and got doxxed or some shit. And the HR roasties won't give them a job because they were socially awkward in the job interview. They gave the job to Stacy or Chad instead. Our country has their priorities out of order.

[Anonymous No.9112126]

>>9109634
Norway will spend a lot of that money on refugees and social services for immigrants.

Altruism in overdrive, slowly dying.

[Anonymous No.9112142]

>>9109601
Commies don't care about facts

[Anonymous No.9112202]

>>9109601
>What about Switzerland, Luxembourg and Singapore then?
These are all small countries that specialize in offering financial services to foreigners. This is why they are wealthy. These are all money laundering and tax dodger havens. lmao.

[Anonymous No.9112318]

>>9109635
HAHAHAHAHAHA
An actual fucking marxist on /biz/
This shit can be refuted so fucking easily

If the working class took over the means of production and got their surplus value back it literally wouldn't matter and their material living standards wouldn't improve.
Why?
The working class consumes 99% of all consumer goods.
If all of this money was given back to the working class it would simply cause massive price increases and shortages.

Fuck marxists are stupid as rocks.
Kill them all.

[Anonymous No.9112332]

>>9112202
So lower taxes and freer markets means bigger living standards and higher real wages?

Kill yourself bootlicker
Got it

[Anonymous No.9112357]

>>9112318
>The working class consumes 99% of all consumer goods.
You were saying? BAKA

[Anonymous No.9112387]

>>9112332
Those are all small countries you fucking moron. Yeah sure foreign capital can prop up a small tax haven/money laundering haven. And the peasants in these tax havens aren't always treated well. I think in Switzerland and Luxembourg wage cucks are treated well. But not in Singapore or the Caribbean islands.

You are the bootlicker. How does your boss' Jewish cock taste?

[Anonymous No.9112403]

>>9112357
>he unironically thinks the tiny bit of luxury goods the working class consumes isn't a drop in the bucket compared to what the working class consumes

Kill yourself desu

[Anonymous No.9112413]

>>9112403
That fucking guy wasted $48,000 on fucking bullshit. Think of all the guys that the working class can buy with $48,000. Jesus Fucking Christ.

[Anonymous No.9112419]

>>9112413
*things that the working class can buy with $48,000

[Anonymous No.9112421]

>>9112387
Hahaha it works in large countries too.
Also there are very poor small countries too.

You're the bootlicker who wants to be enslaved and give everything to the state.

[Anonymous No.9112433]

>>9112413
You do realize that if you took all of the money the capitalist class owns ad's gave it to the working class it would amount to almost nothing right?

You people need free helicopter rides.

[Anonymous No.9112445]

>>9112421
which large countries?

>You're the bootlicker who wants to be enslaved and give everything to the state.
A Jewish cum guzzler is calling me a bootlicker. Being a slave to the Jews is better than being a slave to the state? You do know that the Jewish bourgeoisie have the government in their pocket right now right?

[Anonymous No.9112462]

You do know that your Jewish masters rely on the guns of the state to enforce private property rights right? You fucking libertarian idiot.

[Anonymous No.9112561]

>>9112462
Hahaha
Private property right are what give the people freedom to own their own land and not be fucking serfs like they are in China.

Swallow cyanide you absolute brainlet kike.

>>9112445
America pre1913
Americans had the highest living standards on earth.
Also you'd be surprised to know sweden taxes such people very little and has lower Corp tax rate than usa

You people actually want to be enslaved.
Taking over the means of production will not increase your material wealth
Only increasing economic production will result in higher living standards for the working class.

Central banking is the real enemy and you probably support that too

[Anonymous No.9112567]

this thread is being raided by /leftypol/

[Anonymous No.9112569]

>>9101969
>we need to suck off the job creators

[Anonymous No.9112590]

>>9112561
you're the fucking kike, you suck your Jewish master's cock for some shekels. While he keeps the vast majority of the product of your labour.

>>9112569
>we need to suck off the job creators
Fucking LOL. THIS

[Anonymous No.9112648]

>>9112590
>While he keeps the vast majority of the product of your labour.

I explained in detail how they are not exploiting you and how taking their wealth/means of production will NOT resulting in you having higher living standards, more goods or more time off.

You weren't able to refute what I said.
You're wrong and you support being enslaved by jews that run the state.

Prove me wrong lol
You can't
Surplus value makes no sense lol
Kill yourself

Watch how in the next post you still cannot refute me lmao

[Anonymous No.9112675]

>>9104355
>>9104370
>>9104400
If factory work was so horrible why did people leave subsistence farming to do it? Why are peasants in China, India, Malaysia, etc running as fast as to work in sweatshops?

[Anonymous No.9112693]

>>9112648
They are exploiting you, you fucking idiot. The capitalist rents out his capital to you to make productive use of it because he can't make productive use of it all by himself because he's just 1 person. And then he gets all of the product of what you produce. And then he pays you a paltry wage to compensate you for your time for making that product.

>You're wrong and you support being enslaved by jews that run the state.
You are currently enslaved by Jews working 40+ hours/week. The Jewish bourgeoisie have the government in their pocket right now. Jewish Capitalism is supported by the guns of the state ffs.

If it wasn't for the state, a nigger can just steal your shit, fuck your wife in front of your face and then shoot you.

[Anonymous No.9112698]

>>9110910
>The vast majority of Russians were better off under the USSR.

[Anonymous No.9112729]

>>9112693
>The capitalist rents out his capital
>his capital
>his

How is he stealing my productivity if the capital utilizes is his? I thought you guys felt that the means of production were the property of everyone and the capitalist just cheated his way into controlling it.

[Anonymous No.9112781]

>>9112693
This entire post you just repeated everything I ALREADY DEBUNKED YOU ON

Holy shit leftists are actually this stupid.

What part of the working class consumes 99% of all consumer goods do you not understand?
You will get NOTHING from taking over the means of production.
There isn't a stockpile of consumer goods just waiting for you to take.
Money does not equal resources, it's just a medium of exchange.

Imagine being this much of an economics brainlet.

[Anonymous No.9112789]

>>9112729
That capital isn't useful until it is used productively. That is where you come in. The capitalist needs you to make productive use of his capital for him. Otherwise his capital is useless. He needs you more than you need him. All you have to do is put a bullet in his head and steal his capital. You can't do that right now because the state are enforcers of the Jewish capitalist.

[Anonymous No.9112811]

>>9112781
>There isn't a stockpile of consumer goods just waiting for you to take.
They literally fucking throw out food at supermarkets and restaurants you fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.9112939]

>>9112811
>the 5% of food wasted is what I was talking about the entire time
Lol no you weren't.
Also lets pretend you were, how does the capitalists throwing out food benefit them.
What I about other goods like clothing or computer parts.

Man you're fucking stupid
You're treading water right now.
Just admit you are wrong on this point

[Anonymous No.9112952]

>>9112789
>He needs you more than you need him
No he needs workers. Not (me). There's thousands of possible employees, that's why wages fall in price.

>All you have to do is put a bullet in his head and steal his capital.
Is this satire?

[Anonymous No.9112972]

>>9101931
filipino here
32% corporate tax
and 35 % personal income tax
can definitely say not true

[Anonymous No.9113017]

>>9112789
>All you have to do is put a bullet in his head and steal his capital.
And get fucking NOTHING in return becauSe your class already consumes 99% of all consumer goods.

Bwahahahahaha
What a fucking moron you are.
Your entire ideology makes no sense.

I can't wait until we get to slaughter all you people again.

[Anonymous No.9113054]

>>9112939
Way more than 5% of food gets wasted. lol. Have you ever bothered to leave your basement and go shop at a supermarket once in awhile? Whenever I head to Wal-Mart, I see the shelves stocked with lots of shit. We can afford to have some redistribution of wealth from the top to working people.

>>9112952
>Is this satire?
Actually socialists, real socialists (not r/socialism cucks) believe that revolution is going to come from the working class violently seizing the means of production.

The state enforcing private property laws is the only reason why your Jewish employer has any sort of leverage at all. If he didn't have hired state goons to protect him, the workers would just shoot him dead and take over the factories, offices, farms, etc.

[Anonymous No.9113123]

And if society ever ran out of resources, you would pick from the many people who are unemployed and give them a job (only like fucking 60-65% of Americans of working age actually have a job). You right-wing Trump cucks keep bitching about how we need more jobs. Well, there you go. You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.9113145]

>>9112675

Debt and collapse of cash crop prices due to globalization and "free trade". It's why all those illegals used to be Mexican farmers and now scrub toilets for sub-minimum wage.

I mean, look at the enclosure movement, it's not like this is without precedent.

[Anonymous No.9113163]

>>9113145
Why would Laotian peasants care about crop prices if they live in a hut and eat what they grow? What debt does he have? And the illegals come here because 5 USD per hour is leagues more what they could ever earn in whatever shithole they crawled out of. Not to mention all of the free gov't cheese

[Anonymous No.9113171]

>>9113163

Subsistence farming isn't all that prevelant.

[Anonymous No.9113181]

>>9113163


And the debt he can no longer pay to his landlords. Thus his proleterianization.

[Anonymous No.9113188]

>>9113054
What's your job? I'm a prole and I sure as fuck wouldn't want my cooworkers running shit. Especially not the cooworkers who have a silver tongue and thinks theft and murder are OK.

[Anonymous No.9113218]

>>9113163

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classicide

There's a reason stuff like this happened in China. Debt was also a big reason the Western Roman empire fell and serfdom became a thing.

The US is long overdue for some kind of Jubilee.

[Anonymous No.9113232]

>>9113188

Management can exist under other economic systems you know.

[Anonymous No.9113239]

>>9113163
rule #1 of farming, dont get by on ur own supply faggot

[Anonymous No.9113243]

>>9113218
Right so kill all of the most productive members of society and then blame the capitalists when there's no food. Gotcha.

[Anonymous No.9113262]

>>9113243

>Landlords

>Productive

Lol. The rentiers are parasites, even Smith realized this.

[Anonymous No.9113279]

>>9113188
>What's your job? I'm a prole and I sure as fuck wouldn't want my cooworkers running shit. Especially not the cooworkers who have a silver tongue and thinks theft and murder are OK.
How does your employer's Jewish cock taste?

[Anonymous No.9113291]

>>9110910
Please read Gulag Archipelago. I'm a 2nd generation Russian immigrant and you have no fucking clue how wrong you are. The people who got sent to the gulag weren't just "neets" and life wasn't good for most people at all, especially when compared to western countries. Russia had more resources and population than most other countries but because of communism lagged behind the rest of the world. They continue to lag behind the world because of the cultural echoes and mistrust and mass corruption that always seems to accompany the "not real communism/socialism" that brainlets always say it is when real communism/socialism fails.

[Anonymous No.9113292]

>>9113262
Killing all the Kulaks was a big contributor to the holodomor famine. Productivity follows the 80-20 rule just like everything else.

[Anonymous No.9113297]

>>9102189
>not shit tier countries like the USA

[Anonymous No.9113298]

>>9113243
>>9113262

Even liberals realize this.


Go look up "The Euthanasia of the Rentier" by John Maynard Keynes.

[Anonymous No.9113316]

>>9113291

Gulag Archipalago is a fiction book. Like, literally.

>>9113292

That's why just killing class enemies and leaving the mode of production pretty much the same way doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.9113327]

>>9113316
How exactly do you plan to equalize productivity?

[Anonymous No.9113329]

>>9113291
Yeah lots of Russian aristocrats were sent to the gulags as well. Ever notice why lots of Russian immigrants to the west were Jews? Because it was the privileged Russians who were escaping the USSR. Like that kike who started Google. Sergey Brin or whatever his name is. Or that kike Ayn Rand.

[Anonymous No.9113330]

>>9113054
>Way more than 5% of food gets wasted
Source?
Last time I check most of the food waste in the country comes from food already purchased by the working class who then wastes it.
Also most of the food wasted by businesses is old or rotten food that nobody bought.
Businesses have an inventive to minimize food waste or else they LOSE MONEY.
How is them LOSING MONEY part of them exploiting the working class?
You make no fucking sense

>walmart shelves
AHAHAHAHA of all this shit gets PURCHASED by the working class eventually
You will get NOTHING from taking over the means of production HAHAHAHA

You just can't prove me wrong

>that revolution is going to come from the working class violently seizing the means of production.
Lmao dialectical materialism and marxism is pseudoscience, you people will be slaughtered the second to try to take MY private property.
The people are against you.

>The state enforcing private property laws is the only reason why
You have a habit of ignoring people when you get btfo
I already explained that strict private property laws are the reason we're not SLAVES liked they are in China.
Die you sycophantic kike piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.9113348]

>>9113327


That's not a goal worth bothering with.

>>9113330

That doesn't have a lot of historical precedent to back it up.

[Anonymous No.9113352]

>>9113316
That's probably why it won a nobel prize and is mandatory reading throughout Russia. The entire campaign to discredit Solzhenitsyn was literally from his ex wife likely being pushed by the KGB/Russian government. As someone with family who had to flee Ukraine and Russia at that time, it was fucking bad.

[Anonymous No.9113364]

>>9113232
How does the collective determine who is fit to manage? What incentive do the more intelligent, responsible, etc have to manage?

[Anonymous No.9113380]

>>9113330
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/22/40-of-u-s-food-wasted-report-says/
How does that Jewish cock taste cuck?
FORTY PERCENT OF FOOD GETS WASTED

[Anonymous No.9113394]

>>9113364


Demonstrated merit.

>>9113352

At leats you didn't start with da jooz.

[Anonymous No.9113409]

>>9113364

Also, different piece of the profit earned from the enterprise. And esteem of their peers, which is a bigger incentive than people think.

[Anonymous No.9113420]

>>9113409
>different piece of the profit earned from the enterprise
So higher wage?

[Anonymous No.9113423]

>>9105928
that's exactly what it is LOL

[Anonymous No.9113432]

>>9113394
>Demonstrated merit.
Who determines merit?

[Anonymous No.9113444]

>>9113420

Sure, if you want to call it that.

[Anonymous No.9113449]

>>9113394
What do the Jews have to do with anything? Jews were persecuted pretty badly in communist Russia as were all other religious people tons of Orthodox priests and nuns were jailed as well as Jews.

[Anonymous No.9113458]

>>9113432


The collective. Companies already do this anyway, it's just not very democatic.

[Anonymous No.9113464]

>>9113330
>try to take MY private property.
I don't give a fuck about your property. you are a small fry wage cuckold for your Jewish masters.

Right-wingers literally think that socialism means taking from productive workers and giving gibsmedats to single moms, refugees, NEETs, etc. That is social democracy, not socialism. Tyrone, Shaniqua and NEETs would want nothing to do with real socialism. I guarantee that. They would actually be forced to get a job. Labour in a socialist society would probably be more like 20 hours/week instead of the full 40 hours. But everyone would be expected to engage in socially useful labour for a certain amount of time per week.

[Anonymous No.9113474]

>>9112462

We're moving towards cryptographic ownership brainlet, you can steal or expropriate whatever you want but if you don't have the private key you can't do shit with it.

>>9112590
I will seriously start giving chopper rides to every commie that uses the labor theory of value, if you don't understand how stupid that is you don't deserve to be alive.

[Anonymous No.9113481]

>>9113458
So the managers are voted democratically?

[Anonymous No.9113492]

>>9113449

Just comes off as typical conspiracy theorist bs. If it's not the Jews it's doneone else.

[Anonymous No.9113504]

>>9113481


Sure.

[Anonymous No.9113512]

>>9113474
>cryptographic ownership
Buying into the blockchain revolutionizing society meme? Nigga, 99% of crypto is just pure speculation. 1% is buying drugs, kiddie porn, money laundering, Wikileaks, DailyStormer, terrorism, etc. Blockchain technology is going absolutely nowhere.

[Anonymous No.9113520]

>>9113464

Just stop, dude.

[Anonymous No.9113524]

>>9113464
cuck detected

[Anonymous No.9113530]

>>9113504
So you want us to murder all of the capitalists, and take the means of production, but you don't have a plan for who will steer the ship afterwards?

[Anonymous No.9113552]

>>9113464
> commie faggot

You're the one that wants to be enslaved and work long hours you brainwashed faggot.

The fact you can't even BEGIN to refute any of my points just goes to prove you're a religion fundamentalist.

Socialism had been disprove so many fucking times, it's the dumbest religion on earth.
Die you cum licking sycophant.

Also private property means firms can actually expand economic production thus massively benefiting the working class.
You're a fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.9113555]

>>9113530


Who said immediatley murder all the capitalists?

The 20th century shows a regime change like that doesn't work. You just replace one landlords with another.

[Anonymous No.9113559]

>>9113524
You cuckold yourself to your employer. Whose the real cuck?

[Anonymous No.9113578]

>>9113552


What happened to the 15 hour workweek we were promised with the ride of technology in industry? If anything, we work longer hours than our parents did and for much less in real wages.

[Anonymous No.9113579]

>>9113458
Democracy is fucking bullshit
Democratically owned firms are doomed to failure.
If they were profitable they would have already dominated the market but they don't.

[Anonymous No.9113585]

>>9113530
That plan worked out for the khmer rouge didn't it?

[Anonymous No.9113586]

>>9113552
>You're the one that wants to be enslaved and work long hours you brainwashed faggot.
No you are confused. You are the one who wants to wage cuck 40+ hours/week for Mr. Shekelstein. In a socialist society where everyone able-bodied is expected to engage in socially useful labour, including your Jewish masters, the work week would be far shorter.

[Anonymous No.9113589]

>>9101931
not for long with all the rapefugees
I refuse to have my tax dollars go to Tyrone and Ahmed
Good luck getting my [unknown amount of Monero]

[Anonymous No.9113597]

>>9113555
You just said
>All you have to do is put a bullet in his head and steal his capital.

[Anonymous No.9113599]

>>9113559
You are, you quite literally are.

[Anonymous No.9113602]

>>9113579

You're assuming they operate with the same goals and principles when they don't.

[Anonymous No.9113604]

>>9113512

>hurr durr because today all digital assets on the blockchain are meme coins it will forever be that way

Nobody gives a fuck about your commie ideas because governments will have no control over digital assets, the more you want to control it the more the wealthy people will get the fuck away of your backwards country and leave you sharing
your poverty among yourselves brainlet

[Anonymous No.9113611]

>>9113492
What comes off as conspiracy theorist bs? That the entire global community believes him besides his ex wife and the Russian government at the time? Enough to give him a nobel prize, enough so that the modern Russian government makes this book mandatory reading for high school students.

[Anonymous No.9113624]

reminder that this thread is literally a raid from /leftypol/ and you are arguing with people who think stalin dindu nuffin
check their catalog if you don't believe me

[Anonymous No.9113625]

>>9113597

Different poster, bruh.

[Anonymous No.9113645]

>>9113578
>What happened to the 15 hour workweek we were promised with the ride of technology in industry?
Central banks and massive government intervention happened.
Without central banks we would probably have a 1 day work week.

>>9113586
>angry kike bootlicker THIS mad he cannot refute any of my arguments
Oh my god this is hilarious.
It's like you know you're wrong but you refute to admit it.

>>9113586
>stop voluntary trading your labor for money
> wouldn't it be better if you got NOTHING instead
Hahaha this commie cuck.

[Anonymous No.9113647]

>>9113611

You think Putin doesn't have an interest in slandering the only party that threatens his position?

[Anonymous No.9113660]

>>9113645


That's part of it but Americans tend to have a retarded phobia about this sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.9113659]

>>9113604
>Nobody gives a fuck about your commie ideas because governments will have no control over digital assets, the more you want to control it the more the wealthy people will get the fuck away of your backwards country and leave you sharing
your poverty among yourselves brainlet

decentralized blockchains are inefficient as hell.

You're all like "government this, government that". Who do you think bribes the fucking government you idiot? The bourgeoisie. Many of whom are Jewish. Jewish cum guzzler

[Anonymous No.9113664]

>>9113625
>bruh
Disgusting

[Anonymous No.9113670]

>>9113586
I love how commie cucks think we will magically have fewer working hours if THEY monopolized production
Lmao

[Anonymous No.9113674]

>>9113645
A Jewish bourgeois cum guzzler calling me a bootlicker. lmao

[Anonymous No.9113684]

>>9113647
Nobody threatens Putin it's not a democracy lmfao. Theres literal footage of falsified ballots being shoved into boxes. Putin's public policy is actually pretty apologetic towards communism, he openly talks about the strength of the USSR amorously and under his rule public opinion of Stalin has gone up 16%. There have even been Stalin and Lenin statues re-erected in Russia in 2017 and 2018.

[Anonymous No.9113691]

>>9113664

*shrug*

[Anonymous No.9113698]

Commies are this fucking mad that it's been PROVEN that taking over the means of production will not benefit them materially.

They would get essentially NOTHING
LMAO

[Anonymous No.9113704]

>>9113684


And he also shittalks Lenin quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.9113705]

>>9113670
>I love how commie cucks think we will magically have fewer working hours if THEY monopolized production
Lmao
Have you bothered to even look at labour statistics? Only like 60-65% of working-age Americans are even employed. There is literally no excuse for a 40 hour work week.

[Anonymous No.9113718]

>>9113674
Bourgeois is code word for those mean kids that made fun of you in high school, eh?

Lol you STILL CAN'T REFUTE ME
Where the fuck is your argument?
You have none.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA
This dumb kike
AHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.9113722]

>>9101971
My mother in law lived under the USSR.

She tells me about how people left their cars and homes unlocked. Everyone had the same things so there was nothing worth stealing since you couldn't sell anything to anyone since they already owned an equivalent version of it. The government shut down a year or two before they were going to tear down her family's three bedroom house and make one of those concrete twenty story apartments.

That's not trust, that's being stripped of creating anything unique for yourself.

[Anonymous No.9113745]

>>9113659

You want to know what is inefficient as hell, spending 5 trillion a year in millions of useless bureaucrats and politicians, that's inefficient as hell. Having to support a government with a 30 trillion dollar debt that keeps growing and growing to pay for useless shit. Once the big boys start dumping the government useless bonds we'll see what is inefficient.

[Anonymous No.9113750]

>>9113722

If the environmentalists are right, commie blocks might actually be needed as opposed to people with more house than they can possibly use.

[Anonymous No.9113756]

>>9113705
>Only like 60-65% of working-age Americans are even employed.
Because thanks to global central bank policies, American get free shit from the rest of the world while the rest of the world(mainly China) works their ass off.

>if we enslaved the rest of the world then we would all have shorter working weeks
No shit brainlet

[Anonymous No.9113766]

>>9113718
You call me a kike yet you defend Jewish capitalism. And you suppport a president who literally got cuckolded by a Jew (his daughter Ivanka Trump takes Jewish cock).

If you think that rich people consume the same amount of resources as white trash, you are a fucking moron. How fucking retarded can you be?

[Anonymous No.9113772]

>>9106969
They lived under a feudal system before that. Freedom is a relatively new invention by Europe, and sadly Slavs have been slow to adopt along with the economic prosperity it brings.

[Anonymous No.9113773]

>>9113756


We effectively do yet work week hours have gone up.

[Anonymous No.9113813]

>>9113750
They're not.

Less pollution is good, but to suggest that humans can so easily alter the climate is hilarious. Most temperature flux has to do with the sun's fluctuating output.

[Anonymous No.9113816]

>>9113813


*Doubt*

[Anonymous No.9113854]

>>9113756
>Because thanks to global central bank policies, American get free shit from the rest of the world while the rest of the world(mainly China) works their ass off.
The chickens are going to come home to roost when China expects something in return for those IOUs (US Dollars). The US Dollar is going to devalue considerably and then imports are going to be hella expensive. And we're going to experience inflation as well, assuming that the Chinese trade their US Dollars to American residents. Who will then use those US Dollars to buy stuff, save for later consumption or invest.

>>if we enslaved the rest of the world then we would all have shorter working weeks
A society in which <63% of working-aged adults do all the work and 37+% are not employed is not sustainable. The labour force participation rate is 63%. Note that labour force participation rate includes unemployed people looking for work (Which represents about 5% of the labour force participants). So something like only 60% or less of working-aged Americans are actually working. And 40+% are not. That is absolutely fucking insane. Capitalism is a total shit show. People have to either rely on their families or go on welfare because they can't get a job in late stage capitalism.

[Anonymous No.9113904]

>>9113766
Capitalism is white you fucking cunt, it was developed in the British Isles and America.
Jews hate capitalism that's why they subvert it all of the time with central banking.
You're such a bootlicker it's unreal holy shit.
Also I don't support that kike trump.

>If you think that rich people consume the same amount of resources as white trash
Holy shit your reading comprehension skills are fucking terrible.
The entire capitalist class as a whole consumes a drop in the bucket compared to what the working class AS A WHOLE consumes.
Are speaking of total numbers here, not individuals.
There's such a tiny amount of super rich capitalists. Their consumption barely effects you.

These are hard cold facts that make you butthurt.

Kill yourself bootlicker.

Nobody wants to be poor like you.

[Anonymous No.9113932]

>>9113904
>Jews hate capitalism that's why they subvert it all of the time with central banking.
That's why 44% of the 1% are Jews right?

[Anonymous No.9113944]

>>9102586
And that's why California is a massive Brazil tier shithole filled with homeless winos and junkies?

[Anonymous No.9113949]

>>9113854
>late stage capitalism
Lmao I could tell you are from that sub.
Nobody cares about your deluded religion
We're not in late stage anything.

The economy is fucking garbage because central banks dominate and dictate our economy now.

Back when we were on a semi gold standard in the 50s/60s living standards were much higher.

[Anonymous No.9113959]

>>9113904
The top 0.1-1% enjoy a huge chunk of the pie. You make it seem like the top 0.1-1% isn't actually enjoying all the wealth that they parasitically leech off of the workers they exploit.

[Anonymous No.9113969]

>>9113932
Who got their wealth from central banking.

THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT
Lmao

[Anonymous No.9113983]

>>9113949
I got into a feud with a r/latestagecapitalism mod for being a misogynist, racist, anti-semite, etc. The modern left is full of SJWs. I'm not a SJW. But I'm not a corporate cuckold like you

[Anonymous No.9113990]

>>9113959
I already explained how the actual resources they consume for personal consumption in extremely low compared to the entirety of what the working class consumes.

Taking over the means of production will give you NOTHING

[Anonymous No.9114025]

If commies at least understood Ricardo's comparative advantage, I'm not even asking more advanced models like Heckcscher Ohlin, just the basic stuff like opportunity cost.

But no they're completely illiterate and keep whining for stuff they don't even barely understand.

If you're a communist in the 21st century globalized world that we live in you shoul seriously consider to kill yourself because you have nothing of value to contribute to society.

[Anonymous No.9114074]

>>9113990
The rich waste their money on $49,000 dinners. As I showed earlier. Do you have any idea how much a working class person could buy with $49,000? There are far more efficient uses of $49,000. A working class person could have a basic frugal lifestyle for 2 1/2 years on $49k.

And 40% of food gets wasted as is. Who do you think is more likely to waste food? The rich person or the poor person whose stomach is growling? If I was broke as fuck, you damn well bet I would eat the broccoli in the fridge.

[Anonymous No.9114149]

>>9114074
Statistically the rich contribute a very small amount to food waste simply because they're a minority. Most food gets wasted because people don't want to eat it. Capitalism creates more food than we know what to do with. I know it's an alien concept for communists.

[Anonymous No.9114154]

>>9113854
>A society in which <63% of working-aged adults do all the work and 37+% are not employed is not sustainable. The labour force participation rate is 63%. Note that labour force participation rate includes unemployed people looking for work (Which represents about 5% of the labour force participants). So something like only 60% or less of working-aged Americans are actually working. And 40+% are not. That is absolutely fucking insane. Capitalism is a total shit show. People have to either rely on their families or go on welfare because they can't get a job in late stage capitalism.

Oh please tell me how more bureaucracy, more taxes and more regulation will fix that. Please I'm waiting really want to hear what retarded shit you come up to justify that we need to make the problem bigger to solve it...

[Anonymous No.9114176]

>>9113904
>Jew hating commie

You're confused son, step outside and get some air.

[Anonymous No.9114186]

>>9114149
>Statistically the rich contribute a very small amount to food waste simply because they're a minority. Most food gets wasted because people don't want to eat it. Capitalism creates more food than we know what to do with. I know it's an alien concept for communists.
You have never been poor and hungry in your life. Because your mommy just goes to the grocery store and buys your hot pockets and tendies for you. I have to pay for my own hot pockets. I know the value of the dollar.

[Anonymous No.9114280]

>>9114186
Define rich. Also calling me bourgie is not an argument

[Anonymous No.9114289]

>>9114154
>more taxes
Dude all i want is a tax hike on the top 0.1-1%. Wage cucks deserve a tax break if anything. You will never be fucking rich you bootlicking class cuckold. I don't understand why plebs are quick to defend their rich Jewish masters picking their pocket. lmao.

I blame the SJWs for destroying the perception of socialism in the minds of everyone. They have turned socialism into a social issues cause rather than an economics one. The USSR was poorly managed as well (most Russian people were still better off under the USSR though. The ones who bitch and moan are Russian Jews who fled to the west like Sergey Brin and Ayn Rand and other Russian bourgeoisie). This hurt the credibility of socialism in the eyes of people in the west.

[Anonymous No.9114306]

>>9114280
rich = fuck you money = never have to work. Approximately $3 million net worth if you buy a home (depending on the area). $2 million if you are a renter I guess.

[Anonymous No.9114375]

>>9114306
Why is food waste such an important issue? And how can .01% of the population contribute massively to it?

[Anonymous No.9114458]

>>9114176
>>Jew hating commie
The Jews control academia as well. Just like they control the boardrooms. 44% of the 1% is Jewish. The Jews have controlled both fronts. The right and the left. That's why the GOP is fighting wars for Israel.

I don't fit in with modern leftists because modern leftism has been poisoned by kike professors. The left's influence is entirely based on social issues. On economics, the left has little to no actual influence. Aside from single moms and refugees being on welfare. Which doens't benefit me at all.

But I'm not going to support the GOP/alt-right/libertarianism either. Because I don't see how pimping myself out to some kike employer is any better than pimping myself out to a kike professor.

The Jews are playing both sides of the fence.

[Anonymous No.9114596]

>>9114289

Let me explain to you a couple of things. Imagine I have 50k and want to open a fast food joint next to a mcdonalds, I want to hire a couple employees. After a couple months the business isn't going well and I have to let them go, as it is today I'll have to pay big compensations to each of them, and lose a lot more money. With this in mind I decide that the risk is too big and I don't open shit. Who wins here? Mcdonalds wins here because those labor laws prevent competition to their business and makes them a monopoly. If I were the owner of mcdonalds i would be asking for more taxes and more regulations, because I can't pay for it but and small competitors can't. The truth that commies don't seem to grasp is that regulations and taxes create monopolies not capitalism, the inequality we have today is because of regulation, not capitalism. We need more competition not more regulation to protect monopolies.

But you braindead commies can't even imagine working for yourselves, all you want is be wageslaves for big corporations because they'll pay you more compensations.

People like you are the reason 40% of the population don't have jobs, because all you want is benefits, not creating a better economy where more people are able to work. If you idiots get your way we'll end up with 90% of the people unemployed and everyone that has some money to invest investing it abroad.

[Anonymous No.9114621]

>>9114375
>Why is food waste such an important issue?
World Hunger.
>How can .01% of the population contribute massively to it?
Literally everything else they do is excessive and wasteful. Why would food be any different?

[Anonymous No.9114660]

>>9114621
>World Hunger.
Is rapidly decreasing, faster than anyone has predicted. The number of people who have escaped absolute poverty in the past 15 years is higher than any point in human history.
>Literally everything else they do is excessive and wasteful. Why would food be any different?
Even if they warmed their homes with cheeseburgers there's so few of them it wouldn't impact the total amount of food wasted.

Fucking christ you guys are brainlets.

[Anonymous No.9114707]

>>9114596
What you are describing is a petty-bourg (small business owner) getting cuckolded by the market forces of capitalism. I don't have a problem with small business owners really. My issue is squarely with the top 0.1-1%. You are not on my radar. rofl.

/leftypol/ tends to really hate petit-bourg with a passion. But honestly petty-bourgs are not doing a whole lot of exploiting if you think about it. Because there isn't much to actually fucking exploit in the first place. They don't make a lot of money.