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I am a Freshmen in college and still undecided on what I should major in.

What are some majors that offer great career opportunities and have a posotive outlook for the future?

>> No.880754

Positive* fml obviously I am not majoring in English

>> No.880809

>>880754
If you are actually willing to put in the effort (network at least a little bit, learn relevant skills outside of class, talk to the professors) then I would reccommend a Management of Information Systems major (or your universities equivalent). It has strong job growth in the coming years, and if you are willing to go near large cities, it has plenty of job options as well.

>> No.880823

>>880753
Any engineering. You have a lot of options with Mechanical Engineering specifically. I mean hey, my nigga Bill Nye is an engineer and look at him.

>> No.880825

Major in something easy. Network like crazy looking for jobs and internships at all time. What you study is not what makes you successful. Networking makes you successful.

>> No.880885

This was good information. I will be sure to look into it, thanks /biz/

>> No.880892

>>880753
business. then be a plumber. plumbers are always in demand. $250 just to show up ... charge $150 bucks an hour after that. and the job is a fucking cake walk if you work residential. no heavy lifting, decent hours. join the union in a card-carrying city and tell everyone to get fucked.

>> No.880899

>>880809
This

>> No.880962

>>880753
Unless you're gunning for a very specific job, anything quantitative that isn't an obvious blowoff major with a minor in CS looks pretty good. Just keep your GPA up, get internships after your sophomore and junior years, and make connections with classmates and alumni

>> No.880973

phd in math, 300k starting

>> No.880974

STEM, everything else is for cucks

>> No.880975

>>880962
I-is CIS a blowoff major?

>> No.880977

>>880973

is that /biz/s only meme to date?

>> No.880991

>>880975
No, it's fine. It just seems like a more boring version of a CS degree to me, but if you like it, you like it.

>> No.881014

>>880977
>PHD in math 300k starting
>/biz/
graduate high school homie

>> No.881042

Would Programming & Analysis be a decent major?

>> No.881060

>>880753
I'm on my way to a a major in Economics (focusing mostly on econometrics) with a minor in math (focusing mainly on stats) and a second minor in business.

I'm thinking of being a market research analyst so I might drop the business minor for sociology or a minor called "writing, public speaking, and critical reasoning"

>> No.881061

>>880753

Depends how much time you're willing to put in. Want a 4 year degree and a job afterwards? Engineering is a pretty safe bet if you're smart, computer science is pretty good, possibly Forestry as well if you like the outdoors/nature and would be interested in becoming a forest ranger/working in a national park.


If you're willing to put in 7-8+ years of study, medicine, dentistry, law (lol) but it's oversaturated, psychology (You MUST get a PhD if you want a good salary, but a masters degree is the minimum).


Overall OP, trust me when I say this. A STEM degree doesn't= a job right out of school. There are countless unemployed chemistry, biology and physics majors who never networked or just barely made it through their degree. Some end up as wageslaves, others just tutor.

Networking is important.

>> No.881073

>>881060
For your second minor just do whatever interests you more. If you want to do market research you need an internship where they'll teach you R/SAS/python and SQL on the job though.

>> No.881074
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>>880753
>What are some majors that offer great career opportunities

There aren't any. The belief that degrees are some sort of magical job granting item is just a myth.

University is about education, not job training.

>> No.881083

>>881073
I'm entering my sophomore year of college so I still have two summers.

I'm actually just now gathering the books and online resources for learning Python, SQL, R, and VBA. So far I only know a little bit of Python syntax and I'm on like day 3 of learning SQL basics. I'm going to try to self-study as much as I can outside of class so I can say I know those languages on my resume when I'm looking for internships.

I haven't looked into SAS, how important is that?

Also, would anyone on biz care to give me some advice on what order to learn the following: Python, VBA, R, SQL, and SAS

>> No.881084

I would say go with any major and pair that with a bunch of business classes

>> No.881094

>>880753
Economics, criminology, psychology, and sociology are all good bets imo.

>> No.881095

>>881083
You're already in school, just take intro to programming, intro to databases, and statistical programming in R there.

SAS is a proprietary language for statistical programming that a lot of large companies use, but it's east to pick up if you know R.

As for learning those tools, odds are they'll use python in CS101 at your school, but if they use Java, it's really just a matter of learning a much simpler syntax. If you take intro to databases you'll learn more SQL than you'll need. You can literally learn advanced excel and VBA in a day, excel is designed to be used by idiots.

>> No.881104

>>880753
>a Freshmen
>posotive

follow your pic's advice

>> No.881107

>>880975
Some schools can't afford a CS and IT department and make a CIS major to compensate

>> No.881126

>>881095

my school's CS program is weak, kinda like >>881107 is saying, they have CIS but not CS

To get to those 3 classes you listed, I would have to take a bunch of stupid prereqs, probably totaling 6-7 classes, which just isn't feasible since I'm going after a math minor at the same time. I have to learn this stuff outside the classroom unfortunately

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881129

In Information Systems right now in Ottawa. Hoping to network the fuck out of my degree and get an internship. Any advice?

Also what's the best relevant skill to learn in your eyes if someone is concentrated in IS?

>> No.881155

>>881126
Take the first two programming MOOCS taught in python and the one called analytics edge, all from MIT, on EDx the next time they are offered. For databases there are a series of mini-courses taught by Jennifer Widom through stanford that are self-paced, you can just google it and it should pop up. It's really more than enough CS for an analyst job.

>> No.881159

>>881155
I actually already did the first group of videos for the Database courses from Stanford a few days ago. Pretty cool, but I'm only through the easy introduction.

This is the first time I've seen the EDx website. It's overwhelming how useful this is. I just found that MIT course you were talking about and it started a week ago, so I think I can just hop in.

Thanks man! Really helped!

>> No.881160

I'll give you a flow chart

1. Computer Science
2. -general- major which emphasizes public speaking and closing sales
3. Accounting
4. CIS (Networking, SysAdmin)
5. Nursing
6. Trades

>> No.881163

>>881159
Yeah it's really well-suited to programming courses. I wouldn't bother paying for the certificates though

>> No.881168

>>881163

Haha just as I was googling "is it worth paying for edx certificate"

I don't really have the extra money for the certificates anyway. But I feel like if I got the certificate, I would never end up needing to show it to someone. My online education just needs to give me skills, my university degree provides the signalling for my resume.

>> No.881214

>>880977
>/biz/
>300k starting maths phd meme
god newfags are annoying.

>> No.881929

>>881060
>Economics

Unless its a top 20 school you probably dun goofed

>> No.881931

>>881160
Holy shit this is woefully bad

>> No.881934

>>881083

Fellow econ student here.

R has been described to me as being a simple trend, its the hot new thing to learn R, but if you are going into academics then you should learn STATA according to most of my professors, and if you go into industry then SQL is in more demand than R.

Just my two cents though.

>> No.882930

>>880825
Just got a job at a top 10 biochemical company because of this. As long as you network and have good people skills nothing else matters.
>Economics degree
>2.01 GPA

>> No.882936

>>881929
>Getting Ecoonomics degree
>Generic State University
>Absolute shit GPA
>Network like crazy and get referrals to jobs
>Already have 2 internships under my belt when friends with Engineer degrees struggle to find work

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883053

>Be absolutely shit at math (Got an F in 124 and a very low C in 120. Barely passed it in HS as well and only got out of it by abusing the autism hand-out system)
>Take Graphic Design since I want to design things or repair things for a living and I did that for 3 years in High School
>mfw taking the Fine Arts courses

Fucking disgusting. All this abstract 2deep4u shit and the Art History courses I'm forced to take is nothing but cringe.

I wish I wasn't awful at math sometimes.

>> No.883114

Make in paying attention and shipping 4chan

>> No.883125

>>881934
This isn't true at all, Stata is mainly used for statistical analysis in humanities' research, but rarely in financial or market research analysis.

R has displaced SAS in most small to medium sized companies, and the only thing that has stopped this from happening in large companies is inertia and a fear of its open source nature. Even so, most companies that still use SAS also use R to accomplish tasks that SAS isn't capable of. SQL is a database query language, which is completely different animal altogether. It needs to be learned in addition to a statistical programming language, as they are often used in tandem.

>> No.883138

>>881083

Take all the Econometrics classes you can to pick up R/SAS/some other Statistical Language experience. If you understand the logic, its easy to learn another one. I'd recommend taking a graduate level course if your school doesn't offer multiple undergraduate Econometrics courses.

SQL and VBA have a lot more general business applications and are more important overall, but you can impress potential employers if you have the statistical knowledge that Econometrics coursework endows you with.

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883166

>tfw philosophy degree

How fucked am I?

How difficult it is to become a professor?

>> No.883171

>>880825
multi level marketing goon confirmed

>> No.883175

>>883166
What the fuck were you thinking?

Your only choice now is to go back to school and get a masters degree in something that actually matters.

>> No.883193

>>883166
>How fucked am I?
Very

>How difficult it is to become a professor?
Almost impossible

Try to get an internship as a nonprofit or something I guess.

>> No.883194

Anybody /chemistry/ here? The science, not the engineering.

I'm doing my PhD now, did my B. Sc. in the NL and M. Sc. in Germany. What is the best Europeans country for chemists? Or how hard is it to get a job in the US so I can live there?

>> No.883195

>>883194
>I'm doing my PhD now, did my B. Sc. in the NL and M. Sc. in Germany. What is the best Europeans country for chemists? Or how hard is it to get a job in the US so I can live there?
I know a kid whose dad made millions as a chemist in the pharmaceutical industry in Germany, so I would say there, but I'm sure the US is good too.

>> No.883197

>>883195
Pharmacy is kind of a dead field right now, a lot of important patents are about to expire and pharmaceutical companies are in a tight spot. If only they hadn't spent 90% of their budget on marketing but actually focused on developing new meds instead...

>> No.883225

>History Major, with Mandarin minor

I took classes in business, CS, and engineering, and I got terrible grades and broke a leg and an arm in a suicide attempt.

Not really sure what to do with a History major, but at least it doesn't give me the urge to kill myself.

Should I teach English in a SEZ for a few years.

>> No.883244

industrial labor relations

wanted to become a lawyer, now i don't

what should I use this shit major for

>> No.883254

>>883244
What is that, like how to be a mobster?

>> No.883261

>>883254
How to run a union. Now that I think about it, you do become a mobster.

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883975

Econfag here, minoring in cs. Any other skills I should pick up?

>> No.884231

>>883975
A second language is never bad

>> No.884263

>>880809
>>880899
Tfw recently gtaduated MIS major from good public university, could only get interviews for 40-50k starting. Ended up getting a 40k a year job. Tell me it gets better...

>> No.884277

>>880753
If you're not going to a Top 15 University, why go?

>> No.884327

>>884263
>>880809
>>880899
Should I go for an MIS degree and minor with compsci/math/language? Or should I go with an Accounting degree with the same minors?

>> No.884368

>>880753
Dumb thread to post in /biz/ and I find it hilarious that you lost souls keep doing it.

All anyone is going to tell you is to stick with one of the majors that hires the best. This is a completely garbage way to choose your future.

>> No.884435

>>884368
yea I agree. Follow your passion, mine was history.

>> No.884440

>>884435
This, opportunities will come no matter what your major is, it's more important that you do something that you can live with for the rest of your life.

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884498

thinking about theoretical physics what do you guys think

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>>884498
physics is useless unless you have a phd or plan to be a doctor.

if you want a science-y career, pick an engineering subject instead.

>> No.884532

Is the outlook on a marketing degree decent?

>> No.884533

the only major worth anything is a medical degree, which is actually required to practice medicine.

any other major you can learn on your own without going $100k into debt with student loans.

>> No.884536

>>884532
You will probably get a job, but you won't make very much money. Kids that I know with sales/marketing degrees are getting like $40k/yr USD out of school.

>> No.884550

>>883975
stats nigger

>> No.884618

Im doing a special thing in Germany consisting of 25% business administration with another 25% finance and information management and 50% CS. Am I /biz/ yet?

>> No.884645

>>884532
>>884536

If the coursework isn't heavily based on statistics or analytics so that you can do market research then you should probably expect some sales job with a low salary and commission.

>> No.885476

>>883166
Philosophy can actually be a legit prelaw degree

If you're not doing that though yeah you're fucked

>> No.885607

>>885476
The best pre-law degree plan is mechanical engineering with a business certificate and a focus in industrial engineering or management science. It means you have the flexibility to go into the business side of a company, to pursue a JD/MBA program, to become a patent attorney, to have a leg up working in-house at an industrial company, or just as a fallback if it turns out you suck at the LSAT.

>> No.885725

(In case it doesn't look like it, this >>880754 is me)

>>884263
That seems to be pretty typical for new grads in the major. Luckily it scales pretty fast if you develop good skills (and live near somewhere with relevant jobs).

>>884327
I'd personally recommend the MIS degree with the minors, but it really depends on what you enjoy more. MIS can blend really well with some of those minors, but accounting certainly has its perks as well.

>> No.886156

>>884532
Marketing is one of the only fields you don't need a degree to get into

>> No.886188

>>884516
No it's not. Pretty much all financial analyst listings on wall street ask for physics majors to apply. It does depend on the focus of your major, how rigorous the program is, and your ability to independently learn about the field so you can explain how what you learned is relevant, though.