Military after University

[Anonymous No.879243]

Not sure how many military men are on /biz/ but figured I would start here

Is it a good idea joining the military, specifically army, after you've already completed college?

I'm 23 about to be 24 and I've been working a boring desk job the past 2 years. I want to do something more interesting, is the army a good option?

[Anonymous No.879261]

>>879243
If you are signing up, be an officer.

TRUST ME ON THIS.

[Anonymous No.879267]

>>879261
That is what people have been telling me, what does being an officer entail? and why is it a must

[Anonymous No.879275]

>>879267
Well for starters you have a university degree. More than likely they'll push you to be an Officer.

Grunt work, though interesting at first, if filled with boredom. Waiting. Waiting, and bullshit work if your command doesn't like you. No perks. Shit Pay.

Officers, pay is nice, perks are great, at times you can bullshit around for an entire day, call it a day and go on liberty. Better retirement package if you stay in for 8 years as an officer, bam you are set, employers find it very very fucking sexy you held an officer position in the military and will more than likely hire you with higher pay.

Besides, not like most people in the military put forth any effort. Set yourself apart from the rest and damn, you are on easy street.

[Anonymous No.879286]

>>879243

If you really want to be a glorified babysitter that is responsible for the dumbest people society has to offer, then go for it.

Get that Hollywood bullshit out of your mind right now... Your mission through your career will be none of your troops to rape each other or get DUI, which will happen monthly

The DOD is the most dysfunctional organization in the history of man. I was Air Force enlisted and it was chill as fuck. I'm glad I did 4 and out because I have my post 911 GI bill, other than that fuck it all

[Anonymous No.879291]

>>879275
8 years has a retirement package?

[Anonymous No.879293]

>>879275
thanks for the info

>>879286
so you wouldn't suggest it?

[Anonymous No.879303]

>>879267
It's better experience, businesses will see you as a leader. Better jobs, better pay, and looks great on a resume, becoming a grunt would be pants on head retarded.

[Anonymous No.879305]

>>879293

I mean to each their own....

a small percentage of people love it (they're usually shitbags), most get married or have a kid and get stuck in it, and anyone worth a shit gets out ASAP

I love the private sector where individual merit gets you ahead and not time in service. I guess I'm speaking more of the enlisted side, officer side might be different though.

[Anonymous No.879308]

>>879303
sorry, completely ignorant, how is the experience different?

would I not even with the grunts most of the time or what?

[Anonymous No.879312]

>>879303

I would only advise someone to go enlisted if they did what I did.

>Air Force with an applicable job to the private sector
>use as much tuition assistance as possible to get undergrad mostly taken care of while in
> get out after 4
> live the life on the post 911
>get paid to get a masters degree for free
> Air Force looks great on res compared to Army,navy,marines (civilians think you're a pilot)

[Anonymous No.879323]

>>879308

better pay, better treatment, people care what you have to say, get saluted, respect

I guess in the Army officers and enlisted don't interact much. However, in the Air Force you work with your grunts until you at least you reach major

[Anonymous No.879326]

>>879323
so I've always been curious, if you're not a pilot, what do you do in the air force?

[Anonymous No.879333]

>>879323

the other 150 jobs in the Air Force, believe it or not people have to fix planes, do payroll, fix computers, hand out basketballs................ect.

I was a meteorologist and forecasted weather

[Anonymous No.879346]

To hop on to OP's question, I'm considering joining military to have them pay off my student loans. I figure I would join Navy, that way my costs would be minimized so I can save most of my money, take out some CD's, invest some, and then use some to amortize my student loans. AFAIK the military will fully pay off student loans, I feel like that's ridiculous, but at the very least they offer some assistance, no? So if I join the Navy for 8 years, do reasonably well, and then transition to a civilian job working in finance, is that do-able? I'm a Mathematics and Biochemistry major, and I don't really care what kind of work I do, I just want a salary and benefits so I can pay off my debts, live in a comfy apartment in the city with my gf, and make money off of investments using a combination of personal picks/strategies as well as algorithms I am working on. Does this sound far-fetched or is it possible? Any advice?

Tl;dr: Should I join navy to pay student loans and live comfy after

[Anonymous No.879361]

I had this same question today, sort of

I'm in Canada, so Canadian Forces, and I'm 19 atm.

I'm doing Computer Science in York University in Toronto, and I might switch to Computer Security since that's a bit more in depth and would be useful for the Cyber Warfare division of the Forces.

My question is similar to many of yours, should I join the Army basically after I graduate, when I'm 23, almost 24?

I could do it and become an Officer, in like 2-3 years basically, and then by 27 I'd basically have no debt, and I could do a Masters or something for free.

On top of that, I'm getting my Insurance Selling License within the next 4 months, so I'll have that as well as various other IT certificates for Computer Science, the Cisco and other ones.

I'll also have 4 months of paid International Work Experience in Co Op for Computer Science, thinking about Singapore (where I'm from), or somewhere in Europe, maybe even Australia.

I've also applied for the Google Internship during my next 4 years at York, and I've already made it to the Interview stage. I'd probably do the internship in the winter of 2017 though.

So basically I'll have all of this, + no debts since my parents are paying for school (undergrad), and the Military will pay for my Masters or Grad School, + I'll be licensed to sell insurance, and have around 24 months of paid Computer Science Work Experience, + 3 years of Military experience also paid, and on top of that, if I do decide to stay in for 6-7 years, I'll basically have like $7000,000 saved up by the time I'm 30.

Also, apparently jobs in Cyber Security, are in demand, especially for people who have previous Military experience, which is the main reason I'm thinking about this.

What do you guys think?

[Anonymous No.879371]

>>879275
Lolz I am an officer and I agree

Don't go Infantry though. It's fuckin bullshit because you don't get to do what you were trained for

[Anonymous No.879396]

>>879243
Ive posted on this board before so some of you may reconginize my story

>just graduated marine corps OCS
>most miserable 10 weeks of my life, had no idea it would be so bad
>just watched a documentary on BUDS and almost lost my shit at how disgusting those SEAL candidates looked.
>My platoon started with 67, graduated 39 including myself.
>I turned down my commission because I hated it and hated my life.

Now I honestly might reapply air force because they are a bunch of pussies and get a super comfy life so I can only speak on the marines. Dont do it. UNLESS...

...you have a higher calling than just a job and are willing to make a lot of sacrifices. I only wanted an interesting job that would support my hobbies. For example, Im really into bodybuilding and lifting. It just makes me happy. In OCS you get hella out of shape because the PT is mildly difficult. Our endurance course is basically a hardcore version of those spartan races but in full gear. However, youre not doing it in running shoes or on a full belly or full nights rest. Youre doing it at a sleep deficit (4 hrs a night of sleep is average there) and on MRE's for breakfast lunch and dinner.

I was tired of seeing my body fall apart is what Im saying. If you try to go OIC then good fucking luck, that place is just too hard on your body. No female has made it past the first day and all female marine officers are hardcore bitches. Way harder than the chicks who passed Ranger School recently.

You need to want to sacrifice your body for either the pride or service or some other shit and money will not make it seem worth it.

I was just tired of waking up at 3 am everyday while I knew my friends were out partying. There are easier ways to make a living.

OCS is nice because you can get the experience and determine if its right for you if you have what it takes. Most dont anyways. It will make you appreciate the smallest things in life and that boring desk job will become heaven

[Anonymous No.879403]

>>879396
thanks for the honest post friend

[Anonymous No.879412]

>>879267
Youre a leader, essentially a boss from day 1. In the marines every officer is qualified to lead a provisional infantry platoon if need be. So you need to be a natural leader to be in officer in the marines because they demand you be able to lead 40 enlisted into combat.

Not sure about the other branches though. Army needs alot of meat and officers, Navy and Air Force obviously are very large and diverse branch so they dont have the same standards.

>>879275
>Besides, not like most people in the military put forth any effort

Wrong, you will work harder than you ever have before. They will work you 24 hours a day. I thought it was going to be cushy also but they find things for you to do always.

Officer corps is very competitive, they only select really high level candidates these days. My rackmate at OCS was a 29 yr old from Harvard, no joke. I was ranked bottom of my squad in peer evals always and Im a pretty legit dude.
Officers dont get to pick their MOS like enlisted so if you rank low among the officers, youre going to get last pick of the jobs so you will be stuck in some shit job during your time serving. Keep that in mind.

>>879323
The proper chain of command will to be not directly boss around your enlisted much. Your salty staff sergeant will keep them in line hopefully. Officers technically only interact with other officers. There is this weird enlisted and officer chain of command and they are separate.

[Anonymous No.879420]

>>879403
Also, I was 22 and a young guy at OCS. Most guys are late 20s I found and are either prior enlisted or just older dudes like yourself looking for something different.

You will get more respect than the ROTC and Academy officers although the academy alumni are a frat in themselves and it will show in promotions.

[Anonymous No.879440]

>>879396
This to some extent. Of course OCS sucks. It's supposed to in order to eliminate those that lack in fitness, leadership, and the "standards" upheld by MC officers.

Once you finish OCS and TBS you have ample time to work out or pursue the hobbies you want. Sucks early on, but with time and rank it gets chiller.

The Air Force does treat service members better. The bases are better, living quarters nicer, and overall better quality of life. A lot of marine recruitment is based on the marines "being the best." In terms of structure and discipline it most likely is.

To OP. Choose a job that you think you would enjoy doing for duration of your service. Your job can make or break whether you like the service.

[Anonymous No.879451]

>>879346
Seems like a good plan if your looking to pay off debt and build some work experience.

Things to consider:

Are you willing to leave your gf at home for 6+ months while you deploy or go out to sea? Would she be fine with this? The military can cause problems with relationships because of the time away from SO's.

Are you fine with getting stationed all over the world or United States?

The biggest piece of advice is try to pick a job that you will enjoy doing. Do your research before committing,

[Anonymous No.879456]

>>879396

>higher calling

god you fucking jarheads, your brainwashed just like cult leaders

[Anonymous No.879476]

>>879243

From what I have been told, military experience depends on....

> what you go in as
like what your job and title will be

> where you are stationed
some places are much better than others

> who your CO is
this seems to be luck of the draw. Shit CO means shit experience. Cool CO = good times.

to be fair I have not served, but I have plenty of friends who have served and this seems to be the consensus.

[Anonymous No.879711]

>>879456
It is a fucking cult, there is no other way to put it. While signing up and just hearing about the Marines in the news, its all about "career, family, honor". But when you get there it becomes clear very quickly that your job is to kill. I know it sounds stupid but I never wanted to kill and see combat, I just wanted to fly cargo around.

also you're*

>>879440
I didnt like the process of it though, I thought there were some great kids who made excellent leaders who were cut or just pushed to far and DOR'd. And then there were some little shits who couldnt lead out of a paper bag but wanted it bad enough that they somehow made it through.


>To OP. Choose a job that you think you would enjoy doing for duration of your service. Your job can make or break whether you like the service.

As I said before, you dont get to pick what you do as an officer when it comes down to it so keep that in mind. Some enlisted guys here post about how their 2nd LTs didnt know shit but to get to their point chances are that they did very well on whatever tests they needed to. My point is that you will be competing in a more competitive environment than than the civilian world so chances are you might not be able to hang in the top percentile that gets their desired MOS.

[Anonymous No.879834]

What's being a Teacher like in the military?

[Anonymous No.880903]

I want to become a tier 1 operator. Any advice?

[Anonymous No.880907]

>>879834

you're mandated to read military approved powerpoint slides that could be easily just read by yourself for 8 hours a day 5 days a week.

[Anonymous No.880923]

Depends what you want to do in the military? If want to work with contractors than you need a TS/SCI clearance. You're sure as shit not going ot get as an officer. Its harder to get one as an officer. This is why you see people join up in the enlisted side and get Intel for the clearance. Also the hurr durr officer = jobs after the military is a load of crap they sell to the young minds with degrees. To get into OCS you need to put in the packet and have the right GPA. Too many weirdos trying to go into the military these days. You don't get to choose your job, the military chooses for you. So you can say you want infantry or supply corps but you can end up in the morgue or pushing paper as an admin officer. If you want a sure job, then its enlisted. But make sure you pick a job that has civilian world use. The trades love to hire ex-military because they're trained already, if they worked in the trades within the military. The difference between officer and enlisted is the pay. That's it. Also officers don't get GI bill benefits. If you want to make a career out of the military, then warrant officer is a better route.

[Anonymous No.880924]

Hey I'm the Marine from the other post. Don't listen to these faggots join the hardest branch...you know which one

[Anonymous No.880942]

>>880924

IVE GOT THE HARDEST BRANCH

HOORAH

[Anonymous No.880946]

if you want to bend over backwards for women and minorities and risk your life for this
<<<<<
then go ahead.

enjoy walking around in high heels while your wife cheats on you back home

[Anonymous No.880967]

>>880946
you're right

[Anonymous No.881103]

Berkeley Civ Eng Undergrad > Marine Corps (Officer, Infantry) > Free MBA (GI Bill). Got the best leadership experience and resume fillers ever. I'm a white minority and it's great in every way that you might expect. Granted, I had to be in the Marines and in the infantry. While was what you might expect it to be like.

Regardless, I think it was the best decision that I've (unknowingly) ever made for my future. So much of what I am today was shaped by the military, and I don't want to be any different from what I am.

Don't be an enlisted guy, your life will be shit and you'll get sucked into a destructive environment of self-harm and self-pity from which few escape.

[Anonymous No.881112]

>>879346
Do some research, first. I caught on the tail end of the marine corps' college loan repayment program, which got dashed shortly afterwards because of budgetary concerns. The DOD has been ramped down its tuition assistance and other incentive programs for half a decade now. I would be surprised if there were still any direct loan repayment offerings out there.

>>879267
Officer is to enlisted as management is to the union. It's not only a far more engaging position, offering far more in the way of quality of life and position/rank, but you also are challenged more and are surrounded by more intelligent and driven people. That's not to say that all enlisted are dumb, rather to say that the breakdown of idiots and retards to real human beings is different. Another anon said something about not going infantry because you don't get to do what you were trained for -- totally true. Coming out of training I was a badass squad leader and could be a baller enlisted grunt. Then you get to plan all the fun training that you just got done doing, and try and pass that knowledge on to the ACTUAL squad leaders and grunts. So prepare to be an administrator, after you've been amped up for years to kick in doors.

>>879396
IOC*. Also, people slip through the cracks, even WITH all the drops and stuff. At every level you ask yourself: how is this guy still around? It's like that everywhere, I suppose. Peter Principle at work

[Anonymous No.881114]

>>880923
To anyone who cares, this guy is full of shit on just about every point he makes.

[Anonymous No.881124]

>>881114
You're the one full of shit. Because if you say you were in the USMC as an officer (king of retards by the way), then you would know that the military picks your job as an officer. Also you need certain GPA to be accepted into OCS, which OP is trying to do. OP is on the edge for enlisted or officer I gave him my opinion on hte matter, which by the way if you work in what is consider trades in the civilian world, your military experience will be helpful when you get out. But what do I expect from a USMC infantry officer. Every single infantry officer I've met has more meat than brains. You're not exception even with your engineering degree, if you have one. Officer is management, enlisted are line workers, and warrant officers are your specialists.

[Anonymous No.881131]

So is having a degree a guarantee that you can get into an OCS? I have an economics degree that I got two years ago and haven't really done anything with. Would I get that opportunity to become an NCO in the Air Force?

[Anonymous No.881164]

>>881131
No, its a requirement. Its like applying to any job that requires a 4 yr. Its competitive right now so I know my OSO was telling a lot of college students to talk to an enlisted recruiter.

>>881112
Shit nigga, you were an 0311? How did your body survive IOC? I was a top performer in PT at OCS, my runs were mediocre but Im a big guy weighing in at 220 lbs and lean. Even though I didnt think the PT was hard, I just felt like it was wearing down my body and it wasnt worth it. The blisters, losing weight, inuries. I just didnt want that to be my job and I hear IOC is way worse.

No female has made it past the 1st day. Do they just make you do a 20 mile hump or something 1st day? I cant imagine anything being too tough when youre body is still fresh.

>>881112
>IOC*. Also, people slip through the cracks, even WITH all the drops and stuff. At every level you ask yourself: how is this guy still around? It's like that everywhere, I suppose.

That probably would have been me, my platoon at OCS thought I was a shitbag. I dont know why though. I guess I just didnt give many fucks but I did well on all the tested stuff. I hated 80% of those guys and I didnt want to be their peers either.

"Yell at me again and Ill throw you through this window" I told this one kid after the last peer eval was done and I had no more fucks to give haha. Kid wanted to be infantry also and he couldnt lead out of a paper bag.
I had an issue with authority, If I had that kid as my superior in the fleet I probably would have told him to fuck off or Ill kill him myself

[Anonymous No.881235]

>>879243
What cunt you from?

[Anonymous No.881237]

>>881124
Unless you go in to fly things, then you're guaranteed to be in the air.

[Anonymous No.881401]

>>881237
I was an air contract. It the only branch that will guarantee you be a pilot. However there are catches. Like the fact that the marines air fleet is falling apart daily. I know a CH-53e went down yesterday, a few weeks ago one had to emergency land on a beach then there was that Huey that disappeared in Nepal, before that there was that Huey that went down in 29 Palms.

Getting an air contract means the military thinks youre literally worth multi millions btw. The training is expensive as fuck and they will need a flawless body from you.

The enlisted guys in aviation I talked to said there is no reason to fly in the marines vs the other branches except for the fact you get to be a marine.

[Anonymous No.881565]

>>879267
lol at not becoming an officer with a degree. its like saying i would rather start at the bottom and make minimum wage after someone offers you a management position that pays 3x as much.

[Anonymous No.881866]

>>881124
Also look man, I'm on your side. You're still wrong, but look: air contracts get either NFO or pilot contracts. Same thing with JAGS. If you have a ground slot, your performance at TBS is ranked and compared against your graduate class, and the whole quality spread thing happens. You rank your preferred MOS from 1 to 22, and based off superior's recommendations and the open slots available you get matched up. It's not 100% control. but you're pretty much guaranteed to get one of your top three, and most likely to get your #1 or #2.

Most people in the miltitary have more meat than brains. All the time, everyone complains about basic computer and management systems like excel. I had a first sergeant freak the fuck out in garrison while he was waiting for the printer, kicked and broke it and screamed about how he used to kill people for a living. How are you supposed to be professional in that kind of work environment? I'd joined up to be a stone cold badass, not a child throwing a tantrum.

I had a lot of exposure to warrant officers. my gunner was one of those who somehow slipped through the cracks and gave no fucks whatsoever about anything but talking how hot shit he was. Same with a lot of the other warrant officers i worked with. My anecdotal experience doesn't prove anything, but still dude. The enlisted world doesn't really breed excellence except when the military /really/ gears up, and the union (the enlisted guys) aren't the only ones with a lot of bloat in their senior management (SNCOs and WOs). Officers are the same way, the majority of O4s are pretty worthless because of the 100% retention rate back 7 years ago, so all the idiots were able to stay in when they would've otherwise been kicked out.

At the end of the day, in the military you have two options: be babysat (enlisted), or babysit (officers), and if you even thinking about joining you should god at LEAST try and get into the officer corps.

[Anonymous No.881873]

>>881164
It sucks, but at least you're treated with respect while you're there, which is better than a year to either side. First day is combat endurance test IIRC, you have a big course to do, and a pack and fake gun but no flak jacket, which is nice. It's an day long walk run through the woods and base with stations where you like swim and fight and stuff. I don't really remember specifics it's been awhile. I was a shitbag in OCS, for sure. I learned from it and tried to stop later on, the whole ocs to tbs to ioc process for me was like a coming of age rite of passage kind of thing.

[Anonymous No.881910]

>>879371

>Don't go Infantry though

You're not a military officer, I doubt you have even served.

No reason to join the military as an officer unless you have already royally fucked up and don't have any other prospects. It is a dead end job that pays barely anything.

[Anonymous No.881983]

>>881164
>top performer in PT at OCS, my runs were mediocre

So you weren't a top performer then. Everybody should max out sit ups and pull ups.

[Anonymous No.882009]

Air Force aquisitions officer. Its a fairly easy gig, especially once you stop caring. Delegate your work and then you only have to check up on it. Half the time I play a pony game on my phone, or write crappy fanfiction. Of course, I'm not going to make colonel or general. If you want that you have to be a fast burner.

[Anonymous No.883124]

>>881983
we do more than the PFT everyday. You hike more than run I would say and I am tall so I crushed the humps.

>>881866
>I'd joined up to be a stone cold badass, not a child throwing a tantrum.
The high ranking enlisted are required to be crazy still. Atleast thats the idea I understood from OCS. If it was a colonel, thats another story.

>>881873
I know they change the endurance course at OCS every couple years. I would be curious to see what fucks up the women on the course.

Quigly wasnt a part of our Endurance course, we only did it once and it legit was the easiest thing we did at OCS besides the zipline. Pissed how OSO's are like "oh yea the quigley haha" and dont focus and how much the other shit will suck there worse. Its like a cruel secret at OCS.

[Anonymous No.883127]

>>881866
Also, what happens if youre just a lazy fuck later on after OCS. I kinda debated taking the commission because they cant kick me out a that point for sucking right?

[Anonymous No.883351]

>>883127
That's why the military sucks, man. There's no incentive to excel. The only thing keeping you going is personal character and will, it's not a supportive environment, that's my point. If you're a shitbag you won't get fired, you'll get passed over for promotion (maybe) in the long term but for the next 4 years you can just shitbag it up and the only thing that'll happen is you'll get a stink eye every now and again, and you won't be trusted to do good work. I saw it a lot. New officer shows up, doesn't really put in many hours, he's just kind of invisible after the first month. Every so often you can do the bare minimum and you'll be fine. Especially if you master the art of managing upwards.

On the flip side, if you do try and do a good job, you'll be given every single responsibility under the sun and expected to do more, and to do them all perfectly. It's lose-lose. New SNCO shows up, it's the same thing as with a new officer. I fired three staff sergeants in a row and did the reams of paperwork to get them kicked out because they were actively malicious in my platoon. The only reason they had made it as far as they did was because no one did the due diligence to call them on their bullshit and incompetence.

Basically you can do nothing, and collect a paycheck and MAYBE do a bit of work every so often that no one's going to trust you with, or you can do your job well, except now everything else in the world becomes your responsibility.

So like any other union job.

[Anonymous No.883354]

>>883124
Being an intense, senior enlisted is different from being a baby. Most I worked with were babies. It's different depending on where you are -- different units have different cultures, as do different bases and MOSs. All the logistics guys I worked with were undeniably amazing, enlisted, officer, you name it they were awesome. All the nat'l guard guys were locked on. My complaints and experience only speak to the 03s, and those at Camp Pendleton in two Battalions and a regiment. Division side works very slowly, but it's far more professional and is a completely different culture, partly due to the senior bloat I mentioned earlier not being as much of an issue when everyone there is at least a senior major or master sergeant.

[Anonymous No.883405]

Seems like everyone here is talking about the US of A here. Anyone been with the RAF/RN and what can you say about the experience.

[Anonymous No.884852]

>>879346
Im in this same position. 3.5 GPA biochem graduate thinking of navy or airforce OCS but i dunno, maybe i should just go enlisted. Im still not sure what i want to do later on after or if i should just make it a career. and since you cant really pick your job as an officer from what i understood, dont see how it can be a career

[Anonymous No.884909]

>>879243

If you have a college education and are considering Military, then go Officer. You would be doing yourself a complete disservice if you enlisted, both professionally and financially.

You will think your peers are stupid/immature.
You might even be more intelligent than your boss, which trust me, is very infuriating.

Being an officer won't give you the technical skills of your enlisted men/women, but your will be put in charge of a Platoon right off the bat (with an E-7 adviser to guide you along the way) and have some of the best on the job training offered in the world. Those leadership and managerial skills can get you the big bucks in the private sector.

Just make sure your humble about it. Just because you're in charge, doesn't mean you're better. You simply have a different skill set than your men/women that you may lead in the future.

Source: A Navy Seabee Officer

[Anonymous No.885096]

Don't join the army. It s a lot of bullshit for no fucking reason. A lot of fucking details doing stupid shit and all for shit pay while sacrificing your own freedom. Go officer if you are going to join. Army ocs is too fucking easy. Do land nav, flx and history and that s all it takes

[Anonymous No.885196]

>>879326
1% of the force is forward operations. 99% of the force is logistics and support.

[Anonymous No.885233]

2nd hand experience -

I worked for a few defense contractor companies in the UK. Saw a few of ex-servicemen get hired into low/middle management slots because they had experience using products like the one being developed.

If you're getting out, take a look at the equipment and software you are using and figure out what companies are working in that field. Also research companies.

For officers, I saw a bunch of officers with in senior management roles but I don't really know how they got there.

[Anonymous No.885243]

>>885233
>> For officers, I saw a bunch of officers with in senior management roles but I don't really know how they got there.

Okay speculating - I think those guys probably had a stellar military career. After leaving, they could apply for director level jobs at big companies because they'd had an equivalent role in the military.

[Anonymous No.885396]

>>881103
Holy shit I'm doing ROTC at Berkeley rn.

[Anonymous No.886491]

>>879243

Veteranfag here, the military is not what it used to be. Values have changed dramatically the last 5 years.

If you want to, go for it. You'll be in for a surprise. However I'd pick up a second job if your command allows it if you go active. I'd say financial advisor. You really wake up and your eyes open at how much money you could have made instead of throwing it all into a TSP. Then you could help out your entire command with money and they could be your team and all make money together.