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>> No.8687335

200k year for life lol

>> No.8687360

5 mill now because how do I know I will keep getting the monthly check?

>> No.8687372

>>8687300
5 mill obviously. Just investing it into the market and getting the average return of 6-7% would already be 300k+ annually.

>> No.8687373

>>8687360
this

>> No.8687379

>>8687300
If you have an entrepreneurial mind go for 5 million now.

>> No.8687381

>>8687360
because thats the scenario OP presented you fuck

200k a year for life

t.22

>> No.8687387
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8687387

5 million so I could buy a castle while I’m young

>> No.8687402

>>8687372
>Houses market crashes again
>Lose 90% of investment
>Takes 10+ years for market to recover
>Kill yourself in meantime

>> No.8687407

5m now so i can invest it and actually offset inflation.

enjoy your 200k that's worth 30k in today's money when you're 75 brainlets

>> No.8687411

>>8687372
This right here. Take annuals, put 'em into shitcoins and gamble a bit.

>> No.8687421

>>8687387
Only costs like 2.5 million for a decent castle.

>> No.8687587
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8687587

>take 200,000
>become woman
>move to okinawa japan
>average life expectancy 90 for okinawan women

tfw my japanese children have $15,000,000+ inheritance

>> No.8687636

>>8687372
You would pay $2.5 million in taxes on $5 million now.

>> No.8687647

>>8687300
5 million now because ill likely be dead in 25 years anyway

>> No.8687699

>>8687300
Present value of an annuity question. Assuming you live another 55 byears, even you reinvest the 200k at 9% interest, it's present value is $2.5M. take the $5M and invest it now.

>> No.8687721

>>8687402
>>Lose 90% of investment
Never happened even during the great depression. You're retarded

>> No.8687730

200k and I'd keep my work but go down to 5 hours/day to keep busy

>> No.8687756

>>8687721
happened during the great crypto depression 2018

>> No.8687766
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8687766

$5m now (pic very related)

>> No.8687772

>>8687721
Stocks literally lost 90% of their value in 2008 you fucktard.

>> No.8687795

>>8687300
$5m now. I don't plan on living long enough for $200k/yr to be worth it in comparison.

>> No.8687811

>>8687407
>What is interest?

I agree though. I'd rather have 5 mill now and try and triple it than $200,000 a year and have to live the rest of my life to a budget (all be it a nice, secure one).

>> No.8687812

>>8687300
5 mil in hard cash.

>> No.8687817

>>8687300
200k in 10 years will get you a candy bar if youre lucky.

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>>8687300

$5 million worth of AMB is going to be worth a lot EOY so i'm taking that upfront and putting a nice downpayment on my moon mansion.

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8687872

Is /biz/ really this bad at finance? It's a simple perpetuity comparison.

If you can earn more than 4% per year on the 5mil take it otherwise take the 200k

>> No.8687885

>>8687372
this.

>> No.8687886

>>8687872
thread

>> No.8688074
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>>8687300
>take the '$200k/yr for life' option
>fast forward 10 years
>$200k is now worth about 0.000001 BTC
>yfw you can't even buy a latte with that

>> No.8688229

5mil and anyone who says otherwise doesn't belong on /biz/.

>> No.8688279
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8688279

>take 5 mil
>buy a shitload of bitminers and ruin a farm
>earn a few thousand a day
>investment paid off within the year

>> No.8688354

yes

>> No.8688415

>>8687300
if i hired a professional forex trader and paid him 50k for one month of his time to tutor me, i could then make 10 mil a year with that 5 mil so 5 mil now.

>> No.8688420

>>8687335
> what's the inflation
> what's the collapse of USD

>> No.8688522

i would crypto-gamble the shit out of those 5 millions 2bh

>> No.8688550

>>8687300
I’ll take the five million and put almost all of it in precious metals.

>> No.8688609

>>8687421
where?

>> No.8688614

>>8687300
5 mil
1M house, 2M rental property, 1M land, 500k burger king franchise, 500k ether

No need to trust shekelberg to pay every year

>> No.8688622

>>8688550
>how to lose $5 million

>> No.8688646

>>8687300
$5 million now.
Put it all in LINK.
$5 billion a year from now.

>> No.8688686

>>8688415
spending 50k on inverse bart pattern
;^)

>> No.8688710

>>8687300
Depends on taxes. Is income tax 50% and rising? Do I live in zealand? Stupid question.

>> No.8688770

Is the 200k /year corrected for inflation. If so definitely 200k/year.

>> No.8688893

>>8688646
this is the only correct answer

>> No.8689084

>>8687300
$5M obviously. I can draw 4% for life rather safely and more likely than not, preserve the principal when I'm dead passing it onto my heirs. More importantly, 200K a year gives you no protection against inflation.

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8689132

This thread again

>> No.8689143

>>8687300
5 mil now. Will invest and double triple easily

>> No.8689217

>>8687360
Cheque, American brainlet.

>> No.8689246

>>8687300
I can't believe people on here post on /biz/, yet they're so fucking stupid that they don't know about the time value of money.

>> No.8689281

>>8689217
*Check. We're not in Eurostan, biz is an American board.

>> No.8689299

>>8687300
should've said 350k/year. Obviously everyone will take the 5M

>> No.8689343

>>8687300
200k/year
Live off of 75k per year
Invest 135k per year in blue chips

5 % ROI per year isnt that hard to achieve.

>> No.8689370

>>8689281
56%

>> No.8689481

>>8687300
$5M now put it all in BNB, wait for 10x. Easy.

>> No.8689486

200k a year

I dont trust myself not to bankrupt myself with a lumpsum of 5m

>> No.8689538

5 million of course

>> No.8689559

>>8689486
Lmao this. I'd turn the 5 million into 5 thousand in no time.

>> No.8689574

>>8687766
bear trap

>> No.8689589

200k/0.02 = $10million

easy choice
if you take $5m you don't understand economics

>> No.8689623

$200k a year and put 80% of that into the market for the nextra 10 years.

>> No.8689650

If you would take the 200k then you have absolutely no understanding of basic finance. Taking the 5 million is a no-brainer NO MATTER what your risk tolerance is. The question would be a lot more interesting if the 200k went up with inflation.

>> No.8689662

>>8688550
its laughable that idiots like you think precious metals are a safe investment. precious metals are exactly like cryptocurrency, they only have a value because people give it value. what the fuck can a bar of gold be used for? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. you cant walk into walmart and buy shit with a gold bar.

>> No.8689671

>>8689650
no it isn't mong

$200k a year, risk free, in perpetuity, is worth far more than $5m now

>> No.8689686

>>8689671
except after hyperinflation you can't even buy a bagel with $200k in 10 years

>> No.8689765

average stock market return is 7%
.07 * 5m = 350k/year
and that's ignoring compound interest if you don't spend any. /biz/ is fucking retarded

>> No.8689768

>>8689686
i can however buy the bagel factory with the proceeds off the $6million i have borrowed and invested

>> No.8689974

>>8687766

what is inflation?

>> No.8690002

>>8687300
Safe 4% returns on 5mil invested yield $200k annually anyway. I'll take the 5mil

>> No.8690077

>>8687772
54% from its peak.

>> No.8690433

5 million no brainer. You goys really think this system is going to continue standing much longer? I’d cash out and set myself up immediately ready for the oncoming storm.

>> No.8690478

>>8687300
Take the 5 million, even mediocre annual returns of 4% will yield more than 200k. I'll just get a jew to invest it for me, easy.

>> No.8691011

$5m now. no idea how much time the dollar has to it's name. guess than less than 20 years

>> No.8691068

>>8688550
Going all in is how you lose your money.

>> No.8691090

>>8690433
This. Shits about to crash. Take that 5 mill get yourself a nice home and land with a car and food/supplies for the apocalypse. Maybe a rape room for when I’m out on the prowl looking to cause chaos when there is no electricity of food or water anymore.

>> No.8691101
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8691101

5 mil objectively superior, according to basic math

pic related.

>> No.8691113

>>8687372
most retarded person I've ever seen

>> No.8691120

>>8691113
he is completely right

even if you only got 3% returns a year, 5 mill would be better. see:
>>8691101

>> No.8691125

>>8687300

>even considering giving away your money to inflation

>> No.8691131

>>8691120
>market crashes
>wow i lost 60% of my money in a market turn

If you think you can consistently get 6-7% on indexes you're delusional

>> No.8691154

>>8691131
I am using 3%, and that is extremely achievable

3% a year is very achievable in the long run, and that includes market crashes


if you pick 200k a year, you don't understand compound interest.

>> No.8691155

If you chose the 200k you are literally braindead.

Invest the 2mil at an average 10% per year yield , still have 3mil remaining .

>> No.8691183

>>8691154
Lol
>hold the market while fed is unwinding the asset purchase plan that made it go up in the first place
>investing in dilutionary stocks in an inflationary environment

You should go put your money into stocks and never post here again nigger, if you don't see the value of a guaranteed monthly paycheck (the terms on the payment is never ending, forever, and I can do more with it than your stupid ass will ever do with a lump sum) then you are a brainlet.

>> No.8691233

>>8687300
5 Million. Right now!

>> No.8691237
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8691237

>>8691183
You are financially illiterate.

Let's say you're EXTREMELY risk averse and don't want to risk your money in stocks.

Fine, buy US treasury bonds. 2.75% a year. You still crush the 200k a year.

>> No.8691247

>>8687300
$5m, easily. I would just fill my current investments with $3m and probably start the business I have planned with the rest.

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8691255

>>8691237
Only with a 1.3% interest rate does the 200k a year start to catch up, and even then only after 45 years.

>> No.8691291

>>8687636
Pretty sure the top marginal rate is 39.6%, so the effective rate would be less than that.

>> No.8691346

>>8687647
>oldfag

>> No.8691351

>>8687300
variables to take into account

>inflation
>tax
>opportunity cost

on balance I prefer the 5 mil

>> No.8691387

>>8691237
>>8691255
This. 500k/y is a more comparable deal. 5m vs 200k is a nobrainer

>> No.8691450

>>8688550
Maybe pre 2008 that’d be smart

>> No.8691490

>>8687587
But trannies have a high suicide rate so what if you accidentally kill yourself?

>> No.8691519

nigger

>> No.8691673

5 mil for sure.

> 500k in crypto
> 500k on degenerate stuff
> 1 mil in real estate
> 3 mils in a safe but boring investiment

Unless you fell for the lambo meme, taking the 5 mil now will generate enough passive income to have a confortable life. Especially since OP didn't mention inflation, but even then I'd take the 5 mil.

>> No.8691795

>>8689662

There has never, except for once and that lastet only for a few years (Mansa Musa) where gold had no value in a human society. Gold is and will always be a sign of wealth

>> No.8691873

>>8687360
If you're planning to invest the 5 million, how would you know you'll get the passive income consistently?

>> No.8692100

>>8691237
>he forgot to also invest & compound the 200K yearly sums
what a brainlet

still prolly works out that the 5 mil is better tho 2lazy2check

>> No.8692165

>>8691101

this assumes you wouldn't spend any of the 5 million, and wouldn't invest any of the 200k. figure out the math for investing all of the 200k and we'll talk.

>> No.8692176

>>8687300
5mil now

200k of US monopoly money will be worthless in 20 years

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8692303

>>8687300
>5m
>buy lambo
>shitpost a timestamp on /biz/

>> No.8692343

>>8687402
>western house
>ever collapse
Dream on poor fag, literally no one has ever lost anything HODLing housing, if anything they have made x10 gains in the last few years and infinity rental potential

>> No.8692516

>>8688646
>1000x
Nice fud

>> No.8692610

>>8687300
Take 5M now and put 20% in ARK, 20% in XVG, 20% in BTC, 30% in ETH, and leave 10% in fiat and/or index funds.

>> No.8692677

200k right now

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>>8687300
200k
Mini by team, Mini by renumeration.

>> No.8692789

>>8687587
>What is inflation

>> No.8693026

>>8687300
200k/year

That would be like 20x what I'd need to NEET comfortably.

>> No.8693529
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8693529

200k

>> No.8693571

5 now

>> No.8694694

$5m now, buy a house for $500k and put the rest in a Fixed Term Deposit. As long as I don't spend all the interest it will grow with inflation.

>> No.8694713

>>8687300
5 million now and hedge against inflation

>> No.8695612

fdfd

>> No.8695700

>>8687872
Your discount rate for future inflation is too low. Do you really think inflation will be or even is 2%?

>> No.8695732

I would take the $200k
Buy the cheapest house in wales at $60k
Live off $40k for the rest of the year.
Shit $100k into accumilating bitcoin.
Doesn't even matter if bitcoin goes to 0.
Next year I do the same with $160k.
Hodl like this for 3 years till mcafee eats his dick or I become a billionaire.

>> No.8696219

5 mil now, tomorrow's not guaranteed.

>> No.8696291

>>8687300
Stop making these threads. The correct answer will always be lump sum as the value of the dollar is always going to go down. You get the lump sum, then immediately invest into real estate. If you want to continue making money you start a renting operation. If you don't you just live happily, then sell off property if you ever need to, but ideally you won't if you plan right.

>> No.8696304

>>8691873
Ark or chainlink

>> No.8696368

>>8687300
5 mill beause usd is done within a decade

>> No.8696406

5 mil now.

I would buy and hold ADA.

Doing it now. Every time it touches .13 USD
I only have 3 grand to do it now since the crash though.

>> No.8696430

>>8687372

you think you're going to average 7% gain per year? are you a god-tier investor or retarded?

>> No.8696431

>>8687300
200k/yr

Anyone else trying to justify 5 mil is either dying of cancer soon or thinks they know how to invest in that money to turn it into muh 100 million.

>> No.8696729

>>8691255
You aren't comparing apples to apples.
You need to compare the returns of $5million vs $200k/year where that $200k gets constantly reinvested.
$5million invested at 1.3% over 50 years is $9,537,669.57
$200k/year ($16.6k/month) invested at 1.3% over 50 years is $14,044,495.01

>> No.8696763

neither anon, donate the money to cure cancer

>> No.8696957

>>8687300
5 mill now, so l can go all in chainlink and be a billionair by eoy

>> No.8696963
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8696963

>>8691101
>>8692165
1 - blue line - $5m earning 2% interest compounded annually
2 - purple line - $200,000 annually, no interest
3 - brown line - $200,000 annually, the previous sum earning 2% interest compounded annually
> formula from https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/118616/continually-compounded-interest-addition-to-principal

Looks like if you are earning 2% annually from your investments, $200k annually will beat out $5m in 35 years.
If you are earning 5% annually from your investments, the 200k annually won't beat the $5m lump sum.
I tried 3% and the blue and brown lines intersect at 45 years. At 4%, they don't intersect.

So basically take the lump sum if you know you can earn at least 4% annually.

>> No.8696972

>>8696963
Top chart is 2% interest annually
Bottom chart is 5% interest annually

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8697024

>>8689370
>56%
That's right, we're a majority American board, deal with it.

>> No.8697026

>>8687300
200k a year.

>i only really need 50k a year to live on
>invest other 150k 1/3 into solos 401k, crypto and RE
>???
>PROFIT!

>> No.8697156

>>8697024
keke

>> No.8698128

I choose 5m, i cant trust an entity that promises 200k/year.

>> No.8698136

test

>> No.8698147

even if you can trust it, you'll need 30, possibly more depending on inflation, years just to get what you could have had 30 years ago.

people picking 200k are literally the reason why everyone on this board seems to poor and confused.

>> No.8698150

id obviously take the steady income instead of the 1 payment

>> No.8698186

>>8687300
$5m because it'll take me 25 years to receive that same value and 25 is too long.

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8698276

>>8687300
holy shit this board is retarded
a conservative portfolio returning 4% will make 200k a year off of 5 million.
you'd think after all the crypto gambling some of you would have figured out percentages by now.

>> No.8698319

Non retards would take the 5 million. Fuck living past 40, the only part of your life that matters is your prime.

>> No.8698392

>>8687360
Dont overthink the question dumbass

>> No.8698433

>>8687300
rule of 72, ill take the 5mil and invest it

>> No.8698549

>>8689589
>>8691154
If you chose ANY of the answers, then you don't understands biz's buy high sell low approach.

Therefore you all lose

>> No.8699382

Jews will start WW3 in the next couple of years. I'll take my millions now.

>> No.8699424

5 million now and invest in Chinese market. Everyone knows murica's reign is going to shit in the next decades.

>> No.8699640

>>8687300

5 mill invested at 5% safe returns is 250k the first year alone and growing. You'd be a brainlet not to choose it.

>> No.8699652

>>8699640
5% safe returns is a lot

>> No.8699685

>>8699652

Safe i.e. 100% guaranteed per year is a stretch yeah. We can reasonably expect getting 5% per year if averaged over several decades though. It's probably more reliable than whatever source is providing the 200k a year payments.

>> No.8699695

>>8698276
You realise 90% of /biz/ is now in the red due to crypto shilling right? Lmao

>> No.8700056

>>8699652
you could buy 5 million in government treasury bonds and get $135k a year instead of $200K
but after 10 years you get the full $5,000,000 back

>> No.8700820

>>8687300
I chose 75k over 1 mil in the last thread, but I'm taking the 5 million here. It would take 12.5 years to make 5 million with compound interest. But if you invested your 5 million over 12.5 years you'd get 16.5 million. The difference in wealth is so substantial that I have no excuse to take the safe and easy 200k.

>> No.8700861

>>8687300
Anyone not taking the 5 mil insta doesn't understand time value for shit

>> No.8701074

If you chose 200k you have the reason why you'll stay a poorfag the rest of your life.

>> No.8701185

>>8700820
wow, somebody on this board actually learned something.
maybe there's hope for this board after all

>> No.8701290

>>8697024
Fucking kek'd, btfo

>> No.8702021

>>8689974
what is purchasing power?

>> No.8702236

>>8689589
>if you take $5m you don't understand economics
Explain to me how taking $5m, subtracting $500k for a house and savings, and putting the remaining $4.5m into the stock market for an average 7% gains/year is worse than $200k/year

>> No.8702928

>>8687587
Theyll be happy to buy a warm meal with that in 2100

>> No.8702950

5 mill now
I won't live long enough

>> No.8702972

>>8687300

Take 5mil now

>buy dream house for $1,000,000 beachside
>keep $500,000 free to cover day to day expenses, buy some things like a new car, go travel, etc
>Put $500,000 in a savings account
>Invest rest into stocks/crypto/whatever