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8655590 No.8655590 [Reply] [Original]

Do not invest into the stock market. In fact, refrain from buying and save as much money up as you can - you will thank me later.

Almost every single industry is in a huge bubble, including the stock market. Once the bubble will pop, it will lead to a debt crisis (the fed debt is hitting the ceiling, this exact thing dismantled the Soviet economy), and to the eventual collapse of the petrodollar.

If you do not want to fall victim to the coming geopolitical confrontation, save as much money as you can and do not under any circumstances get into the stock market.

Pic related sums everything up. However, this will have huge implications (China overcoming the US, trade wars, information and cyberwars, and so on), so if you want to avoid paying the price and stay away from it all save as much money as you can and avoid stocks.

>> No.8655606

>>8655590
uh so should i buy stocks now?

>> No.8655619

Shiller's P/E ratio of the stock market - already worse than Black Tuesday:
http://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe/

>> No.8655623

>>8655590
Macro in /biz/.
You are literally one year and a half too late for this - /biz/ is all about ponzis and moons. No one has the abilities to understand your shit.

>> No.8655624

Got it, I'll buy more cryptocurrency

>> No.8655634

what about weed stocks?

>> No.8655654

>>8655590
Why would it not just deflate slowly rather than crashing?

>> No.8655710

Stocks have been rising for way too long. Whether its going to be a correction or a full blown crash nobody knows

>> No.8655768

>>8655654
Panic.

>> No.8655797

>>8655654
The 1930s answered this already. Panic. Everyone pulls at all once, it crumbles, entire corporations worth of stock become absolutely worthless.

>> No.8655800

>>8655590
That's retarded, you should be investing in the stock market, blue chips alone are ballooning.

Keep the rest of your money in Guaranteed Investment Certificates and if (when) the market collapses pull out your GICs, pay the penalty and buy into those juicy tech stock at historically low prices.

>> No.8655804

>>8655606
>>8655624
>>8655634
Save up money. Save as much as you can. Once the new recession hits (we are about 1 year late according to the economic cycle theory), you will be able to buy things easier.
Better yet, buy gold ETFs.

This recession is 1 year late (the Juglar cycle should be at its worst now), and everything is bubbled. Not only that, but the debt crisis will be provoked by the next recession - the debt has hit the ceiling. This means that this recession will be very, very bad. Far worse than was the case in 2007.

The debt ceiling will set off the petrodollar collapse, which is already happening (dollar is rapidly losing value to Euro, China is opening the way for petroyuan just now).

Things will get bad. Save money if you want to be safe from what is to come.

>> No.8655836

>>8655800
Past performance is not indicative of the future performance. This is akin to gambler's fallacy.

>> No.8655839

>>8655804
Thanks great idea I'll buy more crypto

>> No.8655858

>>8655804
>Better yet, buy gold ETFs.

Inverse ETFs you mean.

>> No.8655882

>>8655654
>Why would it not just deflate slowly rather than crashing?

I actually see a stagnant stock market for a decade drifting few percentiles slower every quarter, there is a demographic, debt and productivity crisis.

>> No.8655883

>>8655800
When do you think the stock market will peak,
and why do you think that?

>> No.8655891

As if the falling dollar value wont just push more people into US equities...get real. 09 is not gonna happen again..everyone knows that would lead to socialism and disaster for USA. People with big $$ invested will continue to provide price support . Fed unwind will presnt an amazing buy opp. Tech is def gonna slide tho...sector shift coming and so much of tech is way overvalued.

>> No.8655902

>>8655804
>This means that this recession will be very, very bad. Far worse than was the case in 2007.


All they did was defer the pain and add to it.

>> No.8655954

>>8655891
>the elites will save us for reasons
Yeah like they always do LMAO

>> No.8655964

>>8655836
This guy gets it

>> No.8655978

>>8655883
Timing peaks/lows is impossible.
Anyone selling you they can do it, is lying.

>> No.8655988

>>8655891
>As if the falling dollar value wont just push more people into US equities.

One word for you bonds. You are wrong. Never ever in recorded financial history as things been as big a mess as they are today in terms of interest rate, bonds and national debt. That I what havinga USSR 2.0 that tries to run economies via interest rates and money supply in stead of command economics does. There will be no recovery without a crash and a return to real capitalism where failures burn and successes soar. Citigroup should not exist, deutche bank should not exist. Italy has failed as a nation and should break up. Face reality and take the pain and built based on capitalism not keynsian shit or governments which are both bullshit. Any delay will just cause more stagnation.

>> No.8655992

>>8655954
They would be saving themselves bud. People always talking about the end of the market and the big crash. Truth is 09 was the lowest prices we will see in our lifetime

>> No.8655996

>>8655839
Useful reading material:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juglar_cycle
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/18/chinas-bid-upend-global-oil-market-petroyuan-shanghai/
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/china-may-ease-treasury-buy-to-counter-trump/articleshow/63437954.cms
https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2013/10/17/china-downgrades-us-debt-should-investors-care/

>> No.8655997
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8655997

>>8655804
petrodollar is a total meme. gold bug dollar bear made up bullshit. dollar is reserve cause it's the only viable currency. europe cancel their currency routinely and china is a total mess still. jpy is somewhere between

rates are still so low there is no way to go than stocks, and bonds you will lose everything going in now

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>>8655590
>save money so when the bubble pops another round of QE can wreck your savings
op you are a fucking brainlet, please do not give bad advice.

>> No.8656024

>>8655988
Oh I agree, gonna be some pain..but an 09 like unwind will not happen. The bull market for bond sellers is over. Rates will rise and bond buyers will be in control. No one wants 2% trash when the gov is selling 4% yeilds.

>> No.8656052

>>8655997
>rates are still so low there is no way to go than stocks

did you buy crypto in December to?

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8656068

>>8655590

>> No.8656073

>>8655978
>Timing peaks/lows is impossible.
Agreed. Was just wondering why you would be so comfortable investing right now.
Guess you're just an optimist?

>>8655992
>They would be saving themselves bud
See you think that an economic collapse would be as bad for the elite as it would be for you,
like it will be somehow proportional.
It won't.

>>8655997
>petrodollar is a total meme
Damn son how can you be so wrong and so confident at the same time?

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8656079

>>8655804
>dollar is rapidly losing value to Euro
sry to disrupt your theory, but euro is stronger only relatively.
So is toilet paper to both our currencies.
Wish that was a mere irony
t. Eurofag

>> No.8656081

>>8656024
Its at state level now. The banks are even more poorly structured for a fall now then they were in 07

Auto loans
student loans
most still with bad mortgages on their books

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>>8656052
10 year bund 0.49%
2 year -0.63%

>>8656073
cause there is so much misinfo from all kinds of bullshit gold bugs out there, petro dollar is one of them. oil is what 5% at max of dollar trade. doesnt make any difference, and oil is slowly dying

>> No.8656134

>>8655804
what should I invest in once it happens?

>> No.8656137
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8656137

>>8656024
Except if the interest rates rise, the gov will have to pay more for its debt, which means even more cash flowing out of the economy, and an eventual contraction in a form of a recession.

If the gov doesn't rise the interest rates, the bubble will get worse and eventually pop.

There's no way out of it, it's a Titanic.

>> No.8656139

Think to remember is the sea monsters only get left on the beech when the tide rolls out. No one thought the banks were so incompetent in 07. They have not changed one bit but now the states are riddled with debt and the currencies are at snapping point. Worse than 07 is coming by far. When Alan Greenspan an Ron Paul both agree we are in for an epic crash you'd better listen. I just hope no more bailouts an the shit gets flushed this time around

>> No.8656168

>>8656134
>what should I invest in once it happens?

Nothing this will last a decade. Shit like fb is worth millions not billions

>> No.8656177

>>8656081
Student loans are the greatest kike trick burgers fall into.I always expected crisis will be caused by that. Millennials taking huge loans to go to art school/gender studies then start working at starbucks(best case scenerio)

>> No.8656210

>>8656139
Jarome Powell is basically Bernanke 3.0 (Yellen was 2.0)

There will be bailouts my friend.

>> No.8656216

>>8656103
>petrodollar
>goldbugs

Petrodollar is a term also used by the official Chinese media. It's a geopolitical concept.

If you see some things associated together (gold shilling and the word "petrodollar"), it doesn't mean one thing causes another. Correlation doesn't imply causation.

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8656236

>>8656137
SOMEONE HAS BEEN WATCHING PETER SCHIFF

>> No.8656238

>>8656103
>there is so much misinfo from all kinds of bullshit gold bugs out there, petro dollar is one of them
It's not misinfo it's a basic fact. The petrodollar isn't some fringe conspiracy theory lmao.
If you don't understand what it is please refrain from offering financial advice.

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8656258

>>8655804
>save money
Enjoy hyper inflation wiping out your savings in 2 hours. This is going to be far worse than anything that has ever happened. We're talking 5hr lines for a bag of flour.

You'll be begging for 2008 when this shit comes home to roost.

If you aren't all in crypto you ain't even going to survive let alone make it.

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8656261

>>8656139
You mean alan greenspan, the economist with litterally the worst forecasting record in history?

Heres 10 years of his work kek

>> No.8656263

>>8656236
Every day homie.
Doesn't mean I think he's always right.

>> No.8656285

>>8655883
>stock market collapse begins
22nd May 2019
>screen dis

>> No.8656294

The mainstream media openly talk about the petrodollar. It is not a meme. The concept has been around for a long time, and it is used routinely in geopolitics.
It does not imply that only oil gives dollar value, but rather denotes the fact that dollar is used as an oil purchasing currency.

>> No.8656330

>>8656258
painful to see people are so retarded on this board they post time series data without a log scale

>> No.8656339

This is also why you don't want too many people knowing you hold crypto... The niggerazzi will be at your door went it all goes down.

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8656340

>>8656238
>>8656294

it's a total meme and a joke. this is an absolute 'peter schiff' level economics bullshit right there. there is no worse advice than these people give to clueless masses. it's almost the worse the advice the more the followers you gain it seems

>> No.8656346

Buy some far out of the money leap puts then and become ridiculously rich.

>> No.8656380

>>8656340
>faggot anime shitposter who provides no reasonable counterarguments

Why am I even bothering with you?

>> No.8656384

>>8655797

dont forget the governemnt forcing you to be poor by banning all trade of gold, just like in the 1930s

>> No.8656392

>>8656380
this an anime imageboard you fucking redditor, leave

>> No.8656402

>>8656340
Mate don't you have school in the morning?
Your mom will be mad if you stay up too late again.

>> No.8656412

>>8656330
Enjoy burning your fiat for warmth brainlet

>> No.8656437

>>8656340

keynesian faggot detected

>> No.8656462

>>8656330
Painful to see people still ‘saving’ inflationary currency

>> No.8656496

what do you think of real estate/land in the United STates?

>> No.8656524

>>8656137
People have been saying that since the market started...hasn't happened..won't happen

>> No.8656591

Jesus OP get a grip. You should be telling people to buy total international stock market funds, or emerging market funds, or just China stocks. But to tell them to just hold dollars and lose to inflation. RECKLESS

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>>8656524
The debt kept getting worse since the Vietnam war. The Soviets collapsed due to accumulating too much debt. The US will be on the same course if it continues its uncontrolled borrowing.

The start of the debt crisis is already apparent.

>> No.8656627

>>8655590
Hey anon any advice for a young man? I am 19 I have 14k in the bank, 3k in my 401k, 2k in silver, 13.5k in crypto atm. Going to a community college while I work, going to graduate debt free. How do I ensure economic freedom, or at lest be safe for the next recision?

>> No.8656643

>>8655800
>buy high

>> No.8656752

>>8656591
It will be a correct strategy for some time.
First, the bubble will pop, which means deflation. Second the government will be able to curb inflation in the short run through monetary policy of bond yield increasement.
Right after the tech bubble pops, it will make sense to hold cash as everything will be cheap. But some years later the debt crisis will set in, and the petrodollar system will fall (means inflation). This is when you will refrain from buying and rely on the commodities and assets you bought in the first part of the crisis.

>> No.8656786

>>8655590

Some gaping holes in your logic. Unlike past bubbles, individuals and corporations aren't heavily leveraged, in fact, there is loads of cash on the sideline. Also, unemployment is very low, so consumers will be spending.

Worst case scenario, we'll see inflation, which is good for governments and stocks, bad for bonds. But if we see inflation, what assets become attractive? Scarce assets such as real estate, and, ironically, un-real estate, particularly scarce but liquid crypto, namely, Bitcoin.

The one thing you did get right is that you want cash on hand, but get ready to spend it IF inflation starts.

>> No.8656808

>>8655590
>save money
ok i have saved money now every has crashed what are you buying?

>> No.8656834

>>8656627
Focus on saving, buy bonds from countries with: low debt, stable economy and a good credit rating. Refrain from stock markets. Use the P/E ratio to check how overpriced or underpriced an asset is before buying it. Research value investing.

>> No.8656863

>>8656808
Buy undervalued assets. This means assets with a low P/E ratio. More exactly, assets with a low risk-adjusted and inflation-adjusted P/E ratio (Shiller's P/E).

>> No.8656884

>>8656786
In this year, yes. Not in a few years from now, though.

>> No.8656890

>>8656834
what about silver and crypto as a whole? investing (hoarding) chinese yuan maybe? what about housing market. im in canada btw. are we fucked?

>> No.8656922

>>8655623
unironically his timing could not be more perfect as most have deleted blockfolio and starting to pay attention to what is going on. you can tell by looking at the catalog more precious metals, doomsday scenario threads. we all know its coming. OP is on the money.

>> No.8656932

>>8656884
Money coming in from China is helping to delay this crash for a few years.

>> No.8656934

>>8656884
honestly, dont mean offense. but you come off more as a physic more than let say, someone thinking the sky will fall which is a pritty common knowledge for anyone that did a 2 second "research" on the internet.

>> No.8656948

>>8656922

lmao shit like this is why i feel great being all in on the market

>> No.8656967

>>8656890
Avoid yuan. The Chinese have a bubble of their own (corporate debt that will translate into gov debt as recession fucks everything up). Not to mention the fact the US and China are gearing for war, which will happen (just like 1930s, which was a sequel to trade wars). I can't see how it would be wrong to go into gold/silver and crypto, housing market is also in a semi-bubble.

>> No.8656972

>>8656922
ugh, most silverbugs on biz & youtube community simply added crypto their portfolio. chances are, if your already into silver, your much more likely to have prep for guns, water and food as well. generally more paranoid (very variable levels in this community) and realistic fear which is a good and a bad thing really. healthy fear can keep you alive, just dont dwell on it and get sucked too deep to the point of living with a whats the point attitude.

>> No.8656993

>>8655590
I never understand why people say "don't invest in the stock market, it will crash." If that's really true, doesn't that mean the smart thing to do is heavily invest in inverse ETFs and short the most vulnerable stocks? Your graphs show crashes happen faster than bull runs, so doesn't that mean crashes are bigger money making opportunities than bull runs?

>> No.8657003

>>8656216
>look at me, i'm using buzzwords
>aren't i smart?

>> No.8657065

>>8656967
hmmf, i thought the new chinese yuan/rmb was backed by gold. or atleast read an article sometime ago that it was. at for my local currency, i like to atleast hold 2k in cash just for shtf, incase cash withdrawal become very limited for w/e reason. shouldnt war be unfortunately beneficial to both countries tho? china & us war... as damaging it would be to the world... i'd be lying if i said i dont want to know/see what could happen... whens the last time conventional armies fought? 60 years ago? we never really saw gen 4+ jets fighting another gen 4+ jets toe to toe, same for tanks of same tier & class. i wonder if the chinese subs can actully do their magic as they claim, or their df 21 anti ship missle that supposedly travel at speed of mach 10. or the russian s400 and so on... this tech shit really makes me think...

>> No.8657072

>>8656948
>be greedy when others are fearful
do you think people are afraid right now? general consensus outside of this chamber does not seem to concerned. besides the MSM constantly bashing Trump economics but now Trump is saying how great the economy is and just spent 1.3T in 6 months and some people blinked but everyone seems to have brushed it aside now? all i know is if what OP says eventually comes to fruition there will be panic that makes 1929 look like a joke.

>> No.8657100

>>8655606
yeah go 50x long OP is retarded

>> No.8657110

>>8657072
most people, even boomers are extremely uninterested in economics one bit. maybe 10-20% at most compared to sports where its atleast half the population. i wonder if its even possible to be fearful when society at large dont even pay attention untill its a national headline something bad just happened in the economy.

>> No.8657141

>>8656890
>silver
As assets are generally overpriced, don't buy it during the bubble (now), buy it afterwards.

>crypto
Too volatile, but this depends on the crypto. Might be a good alternative in the long run, once the initial volatility due to speculators (such as /biz/) will stop.

>yuan
Too unpredictable.

>housing market
Refrain from it for now. Always research whether a market is overvalued or undervalued before getting into it.

>> No.8657153

>>8657072

you do know that back then the average person could own stock at 10:1 leverage? apples and oranges. markets go up for many years from here, let the doomsdayers continue to complain the whole time

>> No.8657155

>>8657065
it's true that china has been amassing a lot of gold reserves in recent years, but the quantities are no where near sufficient (if I remember correctly, way below what the US has). And if a war actually happens, they would forego the gold standard much like what the US did when they started napalming some asians hiding in shrubbery and had to finance their war campaign through money printing.

War is beneficial to the economy as long as the fighting isn't waged on your territory (by damaging your infrastructure) and as long as you have the upper hand. The US has neither, nor does China.

>> No.8657225

I'm a post-neet no coiner who plans to get into crypto soon, any advice?

>> No.8657384

>>8657141
>As assets are generally overpriced, don't buy it during the bubble (now), buy it afterwards.
general group think says to buy silver as a hedge vs hyper-inflation. are you saying assets across the board are simply overvalued and you should just wait until it all comes crashing down?

i need to hold fiat but not USD is what you are getting at?

>> No.8657539

good shit op, and props for sharing it with them. dont get your hopes up though, just try to get your friends and family positioned accordingly and be careful out there

>> No.8657573

>>8655590
You keep telling us to save money, but also that the petrodollar is going to collapse. What is money to you?

>> No.8657598

>>8655590

Stopped contributing to my 401k earlier this year, been saving every penny. People call me retarded but I've also been accumulating a tiny bit of crypto during the lows. Only thing that sucks ass is having to pay taxes to this shitty country while watching it go down the drain

>> No.8657617

I got my money out of stock market last week. Market is volatile and the fed rate is rising. Being bullish is playing against the odds from my point of view.

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>>8655590
is day trading still possible?

I've ironically just started to become profitable at it.

>> No.8658516

>>8658248
I get at least 2% a day just buying/selling binance USDT pairs on MACD crosses lmao.

>> No.8658557

>>8656786
>un-real estate

I like the term 'virtual real estate'

>> No.8658567

Im not selling my stocks faggot I know way more about the markets than you stupid kid

sage

>> No.8658594

>>8658516

nice what timeframe, 30 min?

>> No.8658599

>>8658516
I do pretty much the same on bitmex with leverage for 20% a day (don't do leverage if you're new kiddos and don't ever open trollbox it's psyops)

>> No.8658602

>>8657573
Don't bother, OP is a certified brainlet.

>> No.8658608

>>8655590
Buy VIX and Gold you tard

>> No.8658661

>>8656340
Its a meme...

Did you know Saddam was going to sell his oil for euro's. Suddenly we invaded Iraq.

Did you know gadaffi was going to sell his oil for gold, suddenly we urged eurocucks to do something about it.

Petro-dollar is the mechanism that gives the dollar its weight in the world, since the unwinding of the gold standard. That is a fact.

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>>8658594
5 min
Manual stop loss at 0.5%
I recommend using pic related indicator on Tradingview

>> No.8658729

>don't invest into stock market

You know investing and shorting the fuck out of it is what smart people that like money do?

>> No.8658819

>>8657141
I thought precious metals were usually regarded as hedges against market volatility/crashes?

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>>8658662
I JUST started trading on Bitmex today, I went 5x long on BTC at 6850. Somehow bought low at 6715 and played with .1 BTC (turned it into .090 BTC, then back to .1 BTC) on Bitmex before really pulling the trigger on my current position. Haven’t decided what my current target is, anywhere from 7.5-8.5k I think. Any tips for a rookie? I’ve got a plethora of concepts and indicators to spin up on, like Fisher Transform, Ichi Moku clouds, Bollinger Bands, Support/Resistance lines, etc...all I really know is watch MACD and movement over the signal line, and the classic 80/20 Stochastic RSI buy/sell signals.

How long did it take for you to git gud?

>> No.8658903

>>8658889

you realize that if someone could predict the market successfully they would become a multimillionaire in months and a billionaire within the year right?

>> No.8659016

>>8658903
Obviously I know that. I’m asking for more general advice on swing trading. Like general skill ceiling and time investment toward consistent gains up and down the market.

Reminds me of that strawman pic comparing someone who holds and ends up with a small profit who is portrayed as stupid compared to a guy who perfectly times his exit and re-entry for a greater profit margin. The only people capable of that consistently are either psychic millionaires or they have so much money they swing the market themselves. So basically what’s happening now. I’m just trying to make money in the meantime.

>> No.8659061

>>8655590
brainlet here. how useful is yield curve inversion for practical decision making?

>> No.8659102

>>8655590
> save dollars
> dollar collapses
you’re smart OP

>> No.8659122

>>8658889
I've been a prop trader for 5 years, technical analysis is trash that retail punters use to punt on. You'll probably just blow up your account. You realise a lot of the time the market makers(whoever you hold your account with) are taking the opposite side to your trades because retail traders routinely lose money. Do some research and invest in income generating assets, do you not try to time the market. Or pursue day trading as a career and spend about a year trading everyday of not making any money only to find out whether you're part of the 1% that can make a career out of day trading.

>> No.8659128

>>8657225

Buy based on how technologically advaned the coin is, not by its hype or branding.

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>>8656068

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>>8658516
>>8658594
>>8658662
>>8658599
Nice, I know it's possible right now thought because I am doing it to. My question though was do you think this will continue to be possible. I have super bad anxiety and feel impending doom because i feel like i learned how to do this too late and i just need like a year or two before i am fucking making serious serious bank. Is it going to last friends?

I just signed up for stock market brokers and forex brokers to because i wanna diversify my trading possibilities incase one opportunity dries up. But those trading systems suck and are only open for certain times and I just hate dealing with government bullshit. Although the volatility lately has been almost matching crypto but still nothing can compare to crypto's 24/7 high stakes high volatility trading and the patterns are still pretty predictable.

We still got a year or two left of day trading... r-r-r-right? I have back up plans even if absolutely everything goes to shit but still, and i know i have some capital saved up from the few months of trading, but still. I would hate to have learned this just before i got the opportunity to make it serious serious money.

Another anon said that i have imposter syndrome which is normal at the beginning of success. It's bad to because this anxiety and fear of impermanence affects my ability to seize the moment.

>> No.8659346

>>8656614
>Implying it wasn't Reagan's crony's fault

>> No.8659463

>>8656614
how is this going to affect europe and the euro?

>> No.8659496

>>8659463
Everyone is going to come down when the next big crash happens.
World nowadays is way too connected for anyone to remain standing if one giant falls.
It's going to be one hell of a buying opportunity no matter where you are.

>> No.8659542

>>8659496
>It's going to be one hell of a buying opportunity no matter where you are.
Except that's not going to happen because people will be laid off, they will lose their homes and will be forced to work like slaves just to make ends meet. The only ones left standing will be the ultra rich, the connected and the politicians who rule over us.

What's more likely to happen is they will "convene" to meet this "crisis" to ensure this never happens and a new world government takes place in order to "fix" the "wrongs" of the previous system which (((they))) created.

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>> No.8659600

>>8655988

All I wanna see in my lifetime is keynesians getting really really burned

>> No.8659638

>>8659600
That's all you'll ever see in your lifetime dude, their excuse is worse than coiners after getting burned

>don't worry this happens every x years
>we do this to avoid le deflationary death spiral
>the same deflationary death spiral that has literally never happened before and is purely hypothetical

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>>8659542
Let me rephrase that, it will be one hell of a buying opportunity for anyone who was prepared for it in any way. Things are going to be beyond cheap.
And oh yeah people will be laid off like crazy.
It's going to be what happened here in Finland back in the early 90s recession, but on a global level. Pic related our employment numbers back then.

Of course you might be right about (((them))) reworking the entire system in some weird ass way when this opportunity presents itself, but we'll see how that plays out.

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>>8655590

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>> No.8659748

>>8659701
>inconceivable idols/cultural signifiers
>general inability to accept the evil of humanity
sheep

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>>8655590

>> No.8659784

>>8655590
>money gains value during economy collapse
oh boy venezuella is sure fucking rich

>> No.8659854

>>8655590
>save money
I hope by money you mean gold anon

>> No.8659871

>>8655590
>Depth has been always the exact same correlation to wealth in the market

>debt ceiling meme.

I am gonna put all my money in the stock market.

>> No.8659873

Sounds like I should buy up long-term puts for massive gains. Any suggestions? I'm thinking DB in Europe will collapse first so that is my best target

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>>8655590

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>> No.8659956

>>8658661

wonder why america banned venezuelan petrodollar ico


thinking.jpg

>> No.8659992

>russia builds pipe to germany
>SUDDENLY we become bad guys
>starts building second pipe
>cold war lmao
No fucking way petrodollar exists its a tinfoil-tier bullshit! Right guys?

>> No.8660261

>>8659902
>>8659931
>hurr durr the bankers are the bad guys not the retarded consumers and single asset savers

>> No.8660429

>>8659779
original

>> No.8660489

>>8655800
>That's retarded, you should be investing in the stock market, blue chips alone are ballooning.

>buy the peak

fucking retard

>> No.8660612

2008 was the bull trap. It's 10 years later and we are entering a fourth turning also known as the crisis period. You should invest in yourself emotionally and physically. Become knowledgeable of how to survive if a collapse happens. Plenty of necessities and strategies to sustain yourself and your family.

All you cryptoinvestors pouring thousands of dollars in this need to stop. Fuck getting rich if money is worthless in a time of economic turmoil. The USD will be useless. We are in for a war or something soon.

>> No.8660616

>>8656524
Black swan events do not happen ever

>> No.8660666

>>8656752
>som years later
>years later

When this happens it’s happening fast and it’s affecting many countries worldwide almost immediately. economies are interconnected more than any time in history. “Years” is not a metric for measuring this collapse whenever it eventually starts

>> No.8660670

>>8660612
USD is only useless if all the white people die
even if it's 100% mexican, the peso isn't worthless

gloom & doom preachers have said the same thing for decades. they never admit they were wrong the last 20 years

>> No.8660685

>>8660261
Yes? I mean it's like you said, the consumers are retarded, the bankers are evil. If there is a fool and someone exploiting and taking advantage of that fool, then the exploiter is the evil one, not the fool.

>> No.8660716

>>8657573
Underrated

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>>8659542
>that last paragraph

>> No.8660785

>>8656993
People don't like risk, and shorting in a bubble is risky

>> No.8660833

>>8660261
Our friendly neighborhood federal reserve bankers loan our own money to us as debt. they are clearly the good guys

>> No.8660837

>>8660685
Fools are inherently evil

>> No.8660871

>>8660837
No, they're just stupid, but they're innocent. Taking advantage of someone's stupidity however is like stealing from a child.

>> No.8660875

>>8660837
This.
Evil is unnecessary harm, and incompetence is the source of most harm.
Both kikes and the normies should be slaughtered on the altar of Susumis.

>> No.8660892

>>8660875
No, malevolence/predatory behavior combined with high intelligence is the source of most harm. Incompetence and ignorance would not exist at this scale if it wasn't for a deliberate program to dumb the population down so that they can be controlled more easily with debt slavery.

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>>8660892
legit post

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>>8656340
The entire history of war the US has been in since the 90's is literally because of the petro dollar. syria china russia and iran are posing a challenge to the petrodollar system and that is why you are seeing the instability. fucking kill yourself

>> No.8660925

>>8655800
fuck yes plus theyre guaranteed gonna suggest this to the missus

>> No.8660944

>>8655590
everyone knows this 300+ years growth can't last forever....

>> No.8660957

>>8655590

This bubble is different. In the past, a bubble was contained into one specific area. Tech bubble, Houses bubble - other areas were largely unaffected, e.g. commodity prices remained roughly stable.

In todays world, "everything" is in a bubble. What this means is actually not that everything is in a bubble, but the numeraire you use to value your goods in is in a bubble - i.e., the USD, or rather, fiat currency in general, is in a bubble.

Hence you need to benchmark the value against commodities that have a guaranteed limited supply. Gold. Or... bitcoin.

>> No.8661023

>>8656079
Toilet paper makes for the perfect dollar. Invest in TP.

>> No.8661026

So we’re returning to the dark ages and into feudal times.

Except now normies can selfie that journey.

>> No.8661032

>>8660957
If everything is a bubble, then everything is not in a bubble... This is the new normal. Crypto bubble is the new definition of a bubble that grew and bust.

>> No.8661100

>>8655590
If the dollar is going to collapse, why would I want to save as much of it as I can?

>> No.8661103

>>8656139
Don’t worry, there won’t be any bail outs,
There will be bail ins if you know what I mean

>> No.8661123

>>8655590
Well obviously.
The entire fucking world economy is headed for a crash, has been for years now. People have been calling this one for a while, it's pretty obvious that we're heading into a financial depression with everything going to shit any time now. All that it really needs is a catalyst, one final nudge to cause the entire house of cards to fall down, in a couple of years it won't even need that and it will collapse on it's own.

You should get ready, it's not going to be pretty when this goes down.

>> No.8661258

>>8660670
20 years ago was the 3rd turning. This crisis is in the same ballpark as the great depression. Youre saying usa will be mexico 2.0? Ill give you an idea of what major food to buy. Moringa leaf and rice. Moringa a tablespoon is a days worth of b vitamins and calcium. Get used to fasting and get in shape. Dont wait til the last minute.

>> No.8661306

What about property? Specifically the markets in Australia and the UK?

>> No.8661320

>>8661258
most economic indicators are bullish.
very few of the conditions that preceded even the 2001 or 2008 recessions exist.
just fear mongering larping for attention.
selling water filters?

>> No.8661445

>>8661320
Its fucking stupid to not be prepared ever. No larp. Yeah get a family size lifestraw filter. Storm shelter packed would be ideal. You cant trust the conditions. People will be looting if it gets real bad. Dont be scared. Be assertive and have plan b c d and e ready to go. Read Patriots by James Wesley Rawles.

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>>8661320

>> No.8661489

>>8661320
>most economic indicators are bullish.
>very few of the conditions that preceded even the 2001 or 2008 recessions exist.
what are the differences?

>> No.8661496

>>8661480
Gee thanks for a potato quality post

>> No.8661502

>>8661306
Do you have $1.5MM for a 600 sqft shack?

>> No.8661527

>>8661502

I don't buy Sydney or Melbourne.

Mainly minor cities/large towns like Ballarat, Wagga or outer Wollongong

>> No.8661567

>>8661306
Australia's property market is in a huge bubble right now due to shitloads of property investors buying properties purely to wait for speculative price increase then reselling them.
So yeah, stay away from Australian property markets for a few years, that shit could go under at any moment.

>> No.8661625

>>8661489
Unemployment is near all time lows.
Consumer confidence is near highs
gdp growth is at 3%

>> No.8661647

>>8661625
The same was true in 2000 and 2007

>> No.8661737

>>8661647
hmm you're right. unemployment was 5%, consumer confidence was high.
guess it just cycles if growth happens too fast.

>> No.8661895

So... doing the important questions here. Shall we accumulate BTC or free personal debts?

>> No.8661930

>>8660871
>Taking advantage of someone's stupidity however is like stealing from a child.
That's retarded though because no matter what there are going to be exploitive people or organisms. It's like complaining about alligators that eat weak antelope when they cross the river. That is nature. It's not constructive to complain about because direct intervention causes communism which is the epitome of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Is the winner of a poker game evil?!?

>>8660833
They are predatory sure but are alligators "evil?"

>> No.8661948

>>8660871
>>8660833
It's more productive to complain about the weak antelope that feed the alligators which keep them here. It's like the phrase "don't feed the trolls." Well there will always be trolls but the amount of them depends on the mean intelligence and awareness of the hurd. By blaming the crocodiles you are in fact obfuscating the solution and feeding the fucking trolls.

>> No.8662406

i just bought a house in melb. 600k with a 200k deposit how fucked am i? i earn 150k a year and my wife earns 200k

>> No.8662729

>>8662406
With those incomes you'll be ok.
Don't forget to spawn.

>> No.8662800

>>8656834
>buy bonds from countries with: low debt, stable economy and a good credit rating.
Examples of countries?