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[Anonymous No.8061578]

Anyone else rich off crypto that also takes steroids? a 12 week test cycle will only set you back 0.03btc
/fit/ + /biz/ = ultimate patrician

[Anonymous No.8061584]

>>8061578
kys

[Anonymous No.8061590]

>>8061578
How does one get steroids

[Anonymous No.8061592]

>>8061578
Steroids are degenerate

[Anonymous No.8061600]

Steroids.... Fattening yourself up for the slaughter like a good cow.

[Anonymous No.8061634]

>>8061584
>>8061590
>>8061592
>>8061600
Lol at you beta cucks

[Anonymous No.8061635]

No roids but I am built like a brick shithouse.
Also my cryoto gains are as yoked as a 90lb ladyboy. Fuck I wish I were better at investing.

[Anonymous No.8061681]

Lmao at streroids.. ruining yoir hormone and endocrine system for fast gains that dont last when you come off...

Cmon mate jist lift heavy and eat
... gaining muscle is not hard

[Anonymous No.8061690]

>>8061578
Ginving yourself cancer and shortening your dick to impress woman. Thats like the IRL version of buying high and selling low.

[Anonymous No.8061691]

Best drug ive ever had.

Now im fat because of an accident and cant lift my own dick

[Anonymous No.8061729]

>>8061690
>>8061681
I should be more specific and not generalise all steroids. I understand that most are liver toxic and have many adverse side effects, I only use testosterone which is already a naturally occuring hormone in the body. With a proper post cycle therapy there is little to no adverse side effects. Tren and other anabolics are a whole different story though.

[Anonymous No.8061732]

>>8061691
This is what you deserve for steroid usage anon, I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.8061739]

>>8061691
You are actually retarded then.
I hope you kys you waste of space

[Anonymous No.8061753]

>>8061729
Then why didn't you just say test? I have less of a problem with that but it's still degenerate, Going to the gym and working for your gains is so much more satisfying.

[Anonymous No.8061763]

>>8061729
Why don't you try eating healthy and exercising?
Give it a solid six month effort, without the hormones. Bruh, you will feel much stronger.

[Anonymous No.8061778]

Steroids are scary, I'd rather make slow natural gains.

[Anonymous No.8061779]

>>8061578

Not rich yet but have the capital to get rich now

What u wanna know OP

[Anonymous No.8061792]

>>8061753
Shouldve specified i apologize. I have hypergonadism so my natty test is already low. The quality of life vs adverse side effects outway staying natural for me. Life changing stuff really...

[Anonymous No.8061793]

4chan is great. Do kratom. Do steroids. Buncha overcompensating fucks influencing naive shut ins.

[Anonymous No.8061808]

>>8061690
Nah just shortens your balls really

[Anonymous No.8061816]

>>8061763
I lifted 3 years natural before roids. I hit my natural plateau

[Anonymous No.8061822]

>>8061681
Yes, yes it is hard. Natural bodybuilding is a meme.

[Anonymous No.8061823]

>lifting the iron jew

[Anonymous No.8061833]

>>8061681
>ruining yoir hormone and endocrine system for fast gains that dont last when you come off
lmao you are dumb as fuck. only dumbass niggers, teens, and indians fuck up cycles and thus their endocrine systems using modern drugs. if you do your dosages and timings correctly and follow-up with post-cycle treatment there are almost 0 of the negative effects from roiding. no ball shrinking. no bitch tits (gyno). and you won't deflate when you stop megadosing like a dumb shitskin.

[Anonymous No.8061840]

>>8061808
run HCG all cycle for juicy large nutts

[Anonymous No.8061841]

>>8061792
Well now I feel bad lol, glad you're getting help.

[Anonymous No.8061847]

How do steroids make sense outside of a competition context, considering the gains don't last?

[Anonymous No.8061857]

>>8061739
Theres no need to be like that anon. Where I live you can buy steriods in the pharmacy. I guess you live in a nanny country and have very little understanding on the subject. But thats ok normie
>kiss of death

[Anonymous No.8061877]

>>8061816
Thats good, but there is always room for improvement. Always.
Your going to mess up your liver and your hard earned gains.

[Anonymous No.8061891]

>>8061691
>Now im fat because of an accident and cant lift my own dick
did you go to snap city?

[Anonymous No.8061899]

How do I get started on a cycle and keep my hair with it ? My dad is completely bald. Will fin be just enough? I’ve only been natty training about 8 months and I think I have average testosterone. I’m getting stronger in the gym (2pl8 bench, 3pl8 squat) yet still look mostly dyel in a t shirt. I only weigh 165 @ 5’11

[Anonymous No.8061902]

>>8061833
This.
Pretty much all of the stories and sensationalist articles you read on the news about performance enhancing drugs are from idiots who were doing too much, taking the wrong things or weren't doing the post cycle treatments. I think I might hop on in a few years with some base test for a bit to test the waters

[Anonymous No.8061936]

>>8061877
>intramuscular testosterone injection
>messing up liver
pick one anon

[Anonymous No.8061937]

>>8061857
Oh thats cool anon, very projectofied you fat fuck.
Hows that roid liver treating you? Kidneys? I bet your a picture of health.

[Anonymous No.8061949]

>>8061792
>quality of life
This
Life really turned around after testosterone
>Finally laid after 3 years incel post hs
>So much more attention from women
>Life feels like a porn set
>4 rounds of sex a night
3 years later
>Tons of leadership experience
>Was president of a frat (not even joking)
Would recommend to anyone with over 100 iq

[Anonymous No.8061960]

>>8061899
How old are you anon?
You have a genetic predisposition to high DHT which is responsible for male baldness. Roiding speeds that up, it's likely that you'll go bald too

[Anonymous No.8061968]

>>8061891

HAHA no. I had a motorbike accident, 1.5 years ago. Guess what the doctors give me now? Yep steriods for the pain

>>8061937
Come at me cunt! Ill still break your neck by looking at you

[Anonymous No.8061976]

>>8061949
what age did you first hop on anon?

[Anonymous No.8061982]

>>8061936
Your blood still gets filtered.

Look, all i'm saying is its hard, but natural strength > roid strength. Taking the easy way out is fine for some, not for all. Taking extra test is fine but i'm not 50 years old.

[Anonymous No.8061984]

>>8061899
get on avodart, don't fuck around with your hair it's unironically way more important than getting ripped

[Anonymous No.8062009]

>>8061968
Yeh i'm sure chief.
Heres your (you)

[Anonymous No.8062024]

>>8061840
This
>>8061681
The secret is: Don't come off
>>8061729
nandrolone and boldenone are "natural" in the human body. trace amounts exist
>>8061822
This

[Anonymous No.8062039]

>>8061976
20
hbu anon?

[Anonymous No.8062045]

>>8061753
/fit/ here. liftin natty is the biggest mistake you'll ever make, unless youre a fat powerlifter. do you even lift neet dyel?

[Anonymous No.8062064]

>>8061578
post pic then faggor,
bet you're not even 7% of Zyzz physique with the face of scooby, you nerd

[Anonymous No.8062101]

>>8062064
tfw zyzz ran 2g tren /week year round
Likely winstrol as well in this photo

[Anonymous No.8062109]

>>8061753
>Going to the gym and working for your gains is so much more satisfying.
you still have to work hard when you're roiding. arguably, you work even harder because 1) the roids increase your work capacity and 2) you know you're on them so you push yourself harder psychologically

next shit-talking from the dyel beta?

[Anonymous No.8062126]

>>8061960
I’m 19. My hairline is already beginning to recede but it’s nothing noticeable to normies yet. I am controlling it now with nizoral and castor oil until I inevitability will have to get on fin when I’m probably like 22. I have quite a bit of money though so I’m not worried since I can easily get a hair transplant if anything starts looking too bad. I think I have high dht because my arms, chest and back are hairy and I can grow facial hair easily. My grandpa didn’t lose any hair until his late 50s however my dad began receding in his mid twenties and looked like a bald cuck by his 30s. All I’m hoping is there is a way to avoid looking like a bald beta cuck, preferably without losing my hair. I will probably research test cycles and hop on one while taking fin and use hair transplant to fix anything up. If all else fails, I’ll roid until Jason stathem or Johnny sins mode

[Anonymous No.8062136]

>>8062039
Also 20, I had issues with hypergonadism like a mentioned earlier since i was 16. Blood tests were ranging from 280-350ng/dl free testosterone. No doctor wanted to prescribe me shit (ausfag) because i was at the very bottom of the ((((normal)))) range 250-1100 so i began to self medicate

[Anonymous No.8062166]

>>8062126
Your best bet is a hair transplant, elevated testosterone from a cycle will only rapidly speed up the process. Also, i'd probably avoid roiding at 19 as you haven't fully finished developing. Wait till 20 at the very earliest. 21 is ideal.

[Anonymous No.8062167]

>>8062126
>All I’m hoping is there is a way to avoid looking like a bald beta cuck
assuming you're not below 5'8'',
>buzz it weekly
>lift
>roid a little but do not overdo it to make it look like you're compensating
>embrace the bald badass look
if you're below 5'8'' and bald then i'm sorry

[Anonymous No.8062175]

>>8061592
Tell us why faggot

>degenerate
>post on website that regularly host cp

pick one

[Anonymous No.8062177]

>>8062126
wtf is wrong with you anon just get on fin right now. i've an oldfag and have literally seen hundreds of youngfags say this exact same shit and then suddenly they're fucking NW3 diffuse and taking all sort of dangerous shit to maintain their shitty remnants of hair when the entire thing could have been easily avoided by taking fin right when they started noticing hair loss.

[Anonymous No.8062191]

>steroids
enjoy your tiny dick

[Anonymous No.8062194]

not steroids but

https://gizmodo.com/this-guy-injected-his-dick-with-stem-cells-to-try-to-ma-1823245542

if chainlink makes me a millionaire I'll probably give a few rounds of this a try, aiming for a 9x7 meatbat desu

[Anonymous No.8062244]

Just finished bulking 21% bf, used to be 13%. Cutting with -600 cal a day. I have this bloated muscle for now i just wanna die. Hoping in 5 months i would be back to 13% bf.

[Anonymous No.8062259]

>>8061899
Fin along with minoxidil 5% foam. Every. Single. Day.
i do it, suffered from MPB, went for a transplant and now following religiously. no matter what anybody says, hair on your head gives you confidence for sure

[Anonymous No.8062279]

>>8062177
I know my nigga but I’m honestly scared, not even of the sides, but the fact that my wrists are only 7 inches while my dad and grandpa have chad wrists that are big, thick, and manly with veins on them(probably from working construction) while they also looked like skinny fags in pics when they were like 19-20. they obviously thickened up near the end of their puberty or even after the age of 25 and I don’t know how dht affects this so I’m scared surpressing it will make me have women wrists and not meet my true potential

[Anonymous No.8062302]

>>8062126
Check out platelet-rich plasma therapy

Also consider that MPB isn't seen in populations with non-western diets, but when individuals from those populations come to America they frequently go bald.

Some reasons for this:
>Vitamin and mineral deficiencies
>Excess carbohydrate intake (leads to inflammation)
>Subclinical autoimmune reactions
And the biggest factor in MPB:
>loss of vascularization of the scalp

DHT is heralded as the boogeyman for hair loss, when it really can only take effect when a poor diet is adopted. Arnold blasted heavy doses of steroids for decades and didn't lose a single hair until he stopped eating clean.

Lmk if I ought to go more in depth on any of these points

[Anonymous No.8062318]

>>8061822
No it isn't

Nofap and strength training will make you look you are on roids

[Anonymous No.8062329]

>>8062279
7 inch wrists are ideal anon

[Anonymous No.8062332]

>>8061578
Im really really scared of death. I never want to die, ever. Otherwise I would be all over roids

[Anonymous No.8062346]

>>8062318
lol get out ottermode

[Anonymous No.8062359]

>>8061578
that's too expensive, mate

enanthate at 500 with nolva pct shouldn't cost more than 200 usd for a 12 week cycle

[Anonymous No.8062379]

>>8062346
ottermode is fine.... you ever worry you may be overcompensating for insecurities and have body dysmorphia?

[Anonymous No.8062388]

>>8062332
Only deaths I'm aware of are people who abused steroids AND other drugs as well

[Anonymous No.8062422]

>>8061949
elaborate on the test experience mate. Dosage? How long were you on?

[Anonymous No.8062434]

i did one cycle and yeah you feel like a god on cycle but goddamn did I hate pinning.

The thought of pinning again just makes me want to stay away.

[Anonymous No.8062445]

>>8062302
tell me more about the loss of vascularisation

[Anonymous No.8062452]

>>8062388
Phatest gainz in the graveyard is what counts.

[Anonymous No.8062499]

>>8062422
>>Life feels like a porn set
>>4 rounds of sex a night
>>Tons of leadership experience
>>Was president of a frat (not even joking)
sounds too larpy

>>8062434
did you ever try subq with slin pins?

[Anonymous No.8062530]

>>8061578

Most bodybuilders are insecure as fuck.

[Anonymous No.8062549]

>>8062499
Was fucking endless roasties worth the ball shrinkage side effects bro?

[Anonymous No.8062601]

>>8062302
Thanks anon for your post! I’ve already looked into PRP treatments and will try it out sometime in the future if I decide I don’t want to get on fin. I already am eating fairly clean, count all my macros, and do intermittent fasting. Will try to cut more carbs out. And as far as vitamin and mineral deficiencies, which ones would you say lead to MPB? I take 5% lugol’s iodine, zinc, magnesium, selenium, astaxanthin, vit C every single day and iron once in a while
I also do scalp muscle exercises before bed to ensure vascularization and dermaroll every week.

Is there a specific diet you recommend??

[Anonymous No.8062608]

>>8062549
I never ran more than 12 weeks so I didn't get much ball shrinkage. I also had a gf at the time so I was only fucking 1 roastie

[Anonymous No.8062672]

I've done tren and all I can say don't do that shit unless you're getting paid for your body, even then not worth it. Coming off it is worse than heroin, ice, what ever. Complete mental battle and fucks you for months upon months

[Anonymous No.8062683]

>>8062434
Darting it in is far less painful than sliding the pin in slowly
Source: Me being an idiot for 2 years

[Anonymous No.8062729]

>>8062672
yeah my buddy on tren says he's never coming off again

fuck that shit

>>8062683
again try subq and if you're not allergic (some people are unfortunately) you'll never want to go back

[Anonymous No.8062767]

meh, I think its only worth it to roid if you compete or you're over 6'2.

Natty does take forever but there ARE long term effects to roids..even the safest shit like a simple test cycle

[Anonymous No.8062809]

>>8061634
Says rhe faggot with shriveled balls who is going through puberty again like a little bitch boy 13 year old Lmao

[Anonymous No.8062860]

>>8062767
>there ARE long term effects to roids..even the safest shit like a simple test cycle
such as?

>>8062809
I don't understand the insult... are you saying you would not want to go through puberty again with the knowledge you have now? and while looking jacked as fuck?

[Anonymous No.8062864]

>>8062422
Been on test for 3 years anywhere from 200mg to 600mg /week. Esters E, C and Prop.

I'll do cycles of Deca or Tren on top for maximal gains

Experience:
>Stopped being beta
>Got confidence
>30lbs heavier than when natty
>Might sound gay but men love me, dudes always wanna bro out w me
Have a gf now, but when I was on the market it seemed like women fell into my lap
Was 12% body fat at the time, I wouldn't expect anywhere near as many chicks above 15%. So stay lean fellas

[Anonymous No.8062884]

>>8062729
Test prop gives me pip if I pin it shallow :/

[Anonymous No.8062921]

>>8061578
I'm on a gram of test a week and 3iu daily bluetops.

[Anonymous No.8062938]

>>8062864
Assuming you’re not on prescribed trt, what do you do when you need to travel domestically and internationally with test?

[Anonymous No.8062952]

>>8062101
>tfw zyzz died of steroid overdose.

He should of saw that coming.

[Anonymous No.8062954]

>>8062388
it would be so weird to see his decomposed body and say, yea thats rich piana

[Anonymous No.8063009]

>>8062952
>steroid overdose
no such thing. he did die of a drug overdose, yes, but the autopsy wasn't public so we can only speculate what killed him

[Anonymous No.8063035]

>>8062921
How are the effects, also how old are you?

[Anonymous No.8063108]

>>8062101
>tfw no matter how ripped or chad-esque you get you'll end up trying to look like an anime character

Seems about right

[Anonymous No.8063152]

>>8062530
... and yet you wear a shirt in a swimming pool

[Anonymous No.8063187]

>>8062938
Pin a long ester and travel without it. Haven't had to be gone for over a week w/ plane travel

If driving bring preloaded syringes along

[Anonymous No.8063282]

>>8063035

I'm almost 28. Been on/off since 18. Effects are great, usually cruise at 150mg/week but haven't blasted in 4 years so bumped it up. Test + proper ancillaries is the best in terms of health and results if your just a normal dude trying to get bigger, nothing wrong with a little hgh or some orals tbol dbol, anavar etc but at the end of the day no need for non ifbb pros to touch harder shit like tren slin diuretics etc. Eh maybe tren but seen too many guys (pussies) mentally lose it on tren so don't recommend it.

Don't blast/cruise or go over 500mg test for over 12 months unless your okay with the gamble of shaving 10-20 years off your life. Always get my blood work done, keep e2 in check, blabla. Horny 24/7 eat whatever I want I'm a mogan what else can you ask for? Prob will die before 40.

[Anonymous No.8063350]

>>8061681
cruise for life, you hormones start to go down when you hit 30 anyway.
basic test is cheaper than food, and better than any drug other you can buy.

[Anonymous No.8063365]

>>8063282
>Prob will die before 40
shit dude what makes you say that if you're only cruising at 150? you got a bad ticker already?

[Anonymous No.8063380]

>>8061578
>>8063333

[Anonymous No.8063381]

>>8061681

Ironically alters your body at a DNA level and studies now show even people who do one short cycle of testosterone/anabolic steroids have permanent increased muscle strength and protein synthesis. Ive gone 4-5 years off juice, sitting on my ass, eating shit, being lazy, literally TRYING to get weak/skinny and it just wasn't possible.

Sure I wasn't on cycle huge but there are some permanent physical changes... Positive and negative. People aren't very educated, even have some MD endos out there who made me wonder how they graduated high school let alone fucking practicing such a core field of medicine.

[Anonymous No.8063386]

>>8063350
>basic test is cheaper than food
yep. this. I remember before steroids I used to spend more on protein powder and such haha I don't buy any of that dumb shit anymore

[Anonymous No.8063393]

>>8062445
http://www.worldhairloss.org/index.php/hairloss/page2-featuredcontributors/the_mechanics_of_male_pattern_baldness
Essentially the follicles get starved of nutrients. Rogaine works to stimulate blood flow but doesn't make blood vessels regrow. Rogaine sucks because it reduces collagen synthesis. I've noticed ppl using rogaine have a rubbery quality of skin to their face or something. Can't quite put my finger on it but they look old

"Control of hair growth and follicle size by VEGF-mediated angiogenesis" https://www.jci.org/articles/view/11317

>>8062499
>sounds too larpy
It's not like this all happened at once
Got chix for first 6 months
Then got a long term gf
Then made gains in leadership experience, which are significant because I used to be painfully shy

[Anonymous No.8063407]

>>8063393
fair enough dude just hard to tell around here

[Anonymous No.8063430]

>>8063381
How come pro bodybuilders shrink to raisins once they retire then? Is it because they took it too far and abused the drugs instead of being conservative with the usage?

[Anonymous No.8063471]

ITT: roid rage

[Anonymous No.8063495]

>>8063430
nope.

[Anonymous No.8063516]

>>8063430
it's mostly because they're old as fuck when they retire (over 40) in which case your natural hormones suck. they still look better than 99% of men their age but they still get compared against 20-somethings on test so of course they look like shit

[Anonymous No.8063541]

>>8063365

Its just something I've come to terms with, expect the worst hope for the best. I feel that way mostly because Ive done little to no cardio my entire life, I've got big gaps where I've stopped training all together, I don't eat obsessively clean. Still though, no real big indicators on my blood work and have even had plenty of EKG/other tests, aorta stiffness tests, aorta ultrasounds + plaque tests few years back, everything was okay.

But I can't sit here and tell you in confidence that I even slightly expect I'll live to a ripe old age with nearly over a decade of AAS use under my belt. Crazier shit has happened though.

[Anonymous No.8063558]

>>8062601
You're taking the right vitamins anon, good job. Iodine, zinc, magnesium and selenium are the heavy hitters. Molybdenum is another good one. Grape seed extract is a good one if you're prone to high blood sugar - its like a natural metformin.

Diet would be to eat whole foods and cut out refined grains. Cutting out dairy would also be advisable. For simplicity's sake I'd just say eat what Arnold ate during his bodybuilding days

Do some research on pregnenolone and progesterone. I'm thinking they could be beneficial for MPB.
I read something about progesterone increasing EGF or something, been meaning to experiment w/ progesterone cream on the scalp.
Pregnenolone does a great job at balancing all the steroid hormones in the body, maybe an imbalance somewhere is contributing to MPB. I've been using pregnenolone on top of my stack and its been working nicely to balance things out. Haven't been paying attention to hair though so can't speak for it there

[Anonymous No.8063586]

enjoy your permanent limp dick and saggy tits

[Anonymous No.8063591]

>>8063430

You need some actual reference first off, consider the photos you see are peak prime condition with insulin leaking out their pores, then after they are generally just taking it easy trying to be healthy, still though most pros don't entirely shrivel up even those who stop training. I wasn't saying you retain size or gains, but the body becomes inherently stronger after using aas. It has been quantitatively measured.

[Anonymous No.8063646]

>>8062191
It shrinks your balls temporarily not your dick you fucking idiot stop believing everything you read on BuzzFeed

[Anonymous No.8063650]

>>8062136
Yea bro i was at 500 test levels natty so I was like >"fuck it, life sucks anyway"
>pin test
one month in
>Life is great
>mfw

[Anonymous No.8063660]

Taking some test cyp and winny now. Found out about btc in 2011 because of the roids.

[Anonymous No.8063684]

>>8063650

Depending on the lab 500ng/dl is like higher average. Really shouldn't be fucking with the shit unless you recognize what you are in for. Not just spouting shit off here I've been on for a decade since 17/18 hard to even remember.

[Anonymous No.8063705]

How would one maximize testosterone naturally? I don't want to be reliant on external sources.

[Anonymous No.8063752]

>>8063705
Squats, DL, nofap,

[Anonymous No.8063783]

>>8062101
Pretty pathetic imo. I don't think you need that much drugs to achieve that. Need drugs sure but not that much.

[Anonymous No.8063799]

>>8063752
This, two biggest compound movements that hit the most muscle groups, increases test in response to stress. nofap increases test as well, not just 1 week either, it goes up quickly, levels off at around 1 week, then goes up to a new floor and repeats each weak

[Anonymous No.8063915]

>>8063705
>>8063752
>>8063799
lol

[Anonymous No.8063962]

>>8063915
People got big before steroids were invented. How is this possible?

[Anonymous No.8063976]

>>8062952
>>8063009
An autopsy revealed a previously undiagnosed congenital heart defect.[7] His family stated he had shown several minor symptoms in the few months leading up to August 2011, including high blood pressure and occasional shortness of breath. He had a family history of heart problems.[7]

[Anonymous No.8063994]

>>8063962
no easy jobs. people wouldn't survive if they were weak so most people weren't

[Anonymous No.8064034]

>>8061899
Take Finasteride ffs
>>8061960
Finasteride prevents conversion to DHT

[Anonymous No.8064079]

I recently came off a Test E cycle 500 mg/week for 14 weeks and made incredible gains. Would highly recommend for anyone looking to make some good gains, assuming they have the foundation muscle.
Thinking about take 600mg cyp / 600mg tren next?
(Pic not related, but an extremely desirable physique)

[Anonymous No.8064239]

Op pic looks like a weak cunt with fruit muscles who's never done a day's actual work in his life

[Anonymous No.8064373]

>>8061578
worried about losing my hair

[Anonymous No.8064389]

>>8061578
fag containment thread? fag containment thread

[Anonymous No.8064551]

Do you have to be a douche if you take roids?

[Anonymous No.8064861]

Where do you guys order your shit?
also, what do you do for PCT, if you're not on all the time?

[Anonymous No.8064902]

>>8061578
kys beta

[Anonymous No.8064953]

>had a body of a greek god
>used to post body on /fit/
>would always get a ton of replies asking about routine
>got a visit from the snapback gorilla
>now i'm a fat piece of shit

Feels bad man

[Anonymous No.8065314]

if there were more steroid users who didn't sound like absolute brainlets plagued with confidence issues and born literally yesterday, it might make a stronger case for the positive effects of steroids
as a skinnyfat 32 years old who's banging a 10/10, hard to see the upside in becoming a disciplined junkie just for "muh muscles"
pretty sure my T levels are below even the ridiculously low lower range, who cares

[Anonymous No.8065427]

>>8064861
Deep web,
Clomid
Nolva
HCG
and Arimidex for during cycle

[Anonymous No.8065436]

>>8065314
Fucking this. First time I tried a test-e cycle was because I wanted to see what effect it'd have on my body. But the thing that caught me off guard was that it changed the way I felt. It turned me into a Chad.

>Confidence through the roof
>Self-esteem through the roof
>General mood always good
>Cognition sharpened. No more brain fog
>Always energetic

Then I went off, and I went back to being the same old depressed faggot. So I just froze my sperm down and jumped onto TRT to live life like the Chads who were blessed with high test levels from birth.

[Anonymous No.8065443]

>>8065427
thanks

[Anonymous No.8065483]

>>8065443
Are you in Aus?

[Anonymous No.8065497]

>>8061578
roidfags are ridiculed on /fit/, fuck off outta here.

[Anonymous No.8065515]

>>8065497
I'd rather had /fit/ here that link posting

[Anonymous No.8065520]

>>8065483
Eastern Europe unfortunately...

[Anonymous No.8065523]

>>8065497
I haven't been there in a couple of years, but that wasn't the case before. Roidfags who pretended to be natty were ridiculed. Roidfags who admitted to cheating were left alone.

[Anonymous No.8065533]

>>8065515
Roidfags are the /fit/ equivalent of linkies. Them and vegans.

[Anonymous No.8065545]

>>8061578

> steroids

unless you're making money off of your body, you are a retard.

[Anonymous No.8065555]

>>8065523
>Roidfags who admitted to cheating were left alone.
Nah they are definitely ridiculed which is why they contain themselves to their general. You can go there, there will always be a couple of posts ridiculing them for using roids. Vegans have been a more relevant target recently though.

[Anonymous No.8065610]

So much wannabe lifters in this thread with little to none knowledge about lifting. Stick to your yoga bullshit instead of spouting shit in this thread. Every serious lifter knows about the benefits the benefits of roids and how to handle the side effects.

t. /fitizen who has through multiple cycles UNHARMED

[Anonymous No.8065705]

>>8065610

t. roidhead who is so shit at sports and insecure that he has to juice for gains, even though he doesn't make any money/get pussy from it regardless

[Anonymous No.8065747]

>>8063430
dehydration, low fat diet and sun are bad for skin, skin gets rekt giv you that raisn look plus flaby muscle.

also your natural test is higher if you have more muscle, so building a certain amount of muscle will make you have more test.

[Anonymous No.8065801]

>>8065555
How is roiding cheating? What game are you playing? Why do you employ some sort of retarded self-limitation in an attempt to shield yourself from your own retardation.

Roids are for people who value their time.

[Anonymous No.8065860]

>>8061578
peak performance looks like this
i laugh at all steroids cucks
you would be annihilated under 30 seconds by this self made man

[Anonymous No.8065871]

>>8065860

[Anonymous No.8065882]

>>8065801
>roids are for people who value their time.

but neither their body or health. they just cling to some made up ideal of how to look because they saw it in movies. then it is inevitably gone at some point and the real depression kicks in after you have not build any human maturity otherwise.

[Anonymous No.8065888]

>>8065801
You have earned this (You) and only this one. Spend it wisely.

[Anonymous No.8065966]

>>8061578
Before my current job I was getting to a point where I was starting to consider them, but right now I work too much, don't exercise enough and my schedule is too all over the place, so getting on steroids wouldn't do shit except ruin my health more.

For someone who can dedicate them the time needed and who doesn't go overboard, I still think better one's quality of life. I don't completely rule out the possibility of trying them out at some point, but it would be at some time when I have more leisure and less responsibilities, and ideally under some kind of medical supervision.

[Anonymous No.8066034]

>>8065882
>>8065888
Keep wasting your life in ineffective wanking at the gym while deluding yourself that you'll look anywhere you want to look.

[Anonymous No.8066058]

>>8065871
so ugly face

[Anonymous No.8066059]

>>8065882
Roids are cheating if they give you an advantage in some kind of competition (or if you're posting progress and insisting you're natty when you're not, giving people false expectations). If you're honest about your usage - as much as the law will allow -, don't outright lie, and don't use them for a sport or other competition, it's pretty much a personal lifestyle decision if you want to use them or not.

[Anonymous No.8066093]

>>8065871
I have made 0 research, but it wouldn't be that surprising if Buakaw was taking or has taken steroids at some point, even if only for recovery purposes. It's a pretty tough and competitive sport, and I doubt there is much testing in whatever promotions he fight.

[Anonymous No.8066186]

>>8066059
everything is a lifestyle decision, so is shooting yourself in the head. doesn't mean it is not stupid.

[Anonymous No.8066294]

>>8066186
Especially after a certain age, if you're smart about it, they can actually be good for your health. I'm talking low doses of testosterone and the like, nothing crazy. The goal is not to look like IFBB bodybuilders, simply be a bit more in shape.

And as far the lifestyle aspect goes, if you're already working out daily, eating healthy and having a good routine, you can get to a point where you want to push yourself a bit more and these things can help. Is it stupid? It's hard to say. In a lot of cases it very well might be, in others, not necessarily.

[Anonymous No.8066334]

>>8066294
Injecting yourself with exogenous hormones is never healthy, unless said person has an actual medical issue such as hypogonadism.

[Anonymous No.8066381]

>>8061578
You do not need steroids. It's a meme. Creatine + diet + sufficient protein.

[Anonymous No.8066466]

>>8066334
Eating shit at the computer all day isn't either. I have never taken any, but if I ever get over 50, I'll at least look into TRT, and if I get to a point where I can again exercise enough that recovery becomes an issue, I'll look into other things too.

I don't see it as a first step in anything, I see it as a possibility for someone when they get to that stage in their training, or in the case of TRT in that stage in life in general. Life is already a terrible enough place, if you can do something that makes you happy and you can do it in a relatively safe way, ideally under medical supervision, I don't see what's so wrong apart from the potential risk to the person. I certainly see it as better than things like cosmetic surgery.

You might be surprised at the number of people who are on some form of them.

I might have a distorted view of this whole issue, but it seems to be the case for you too.

[Anonymous No.8066495]

>>8066334
>never healthy
>unless ...

[Anonymous No.8066508]

>>8066381

[Anonymous No.8066510]

>>8061816
hitting your plateau after 3 years, lmao

[Anonymous No.8066541]

>>8066510
Why would anyone wait for a plateau. Roids are about being effective with your time.

[Anonymous No.8066567]

>>8066381
this, go to any steroid forum worth its shit and ask them about it. Unless your diet and regimen is spot fucking on you do not want to get on test nor do you need it. It will in fact fuck you over long term as itll be a cheater bar you use to bypass fundamental obstacles you need to overcome before you are able to take advantage of roids.

1.)Better diet, more sleep, better workout plan, more water.

2.)Then get better at those 4 some more.

Once you have those down to a science, and I mean a science, then you can try roids responsibly and with medical help.
Arnold did them fine because he had a life structured around fitness with medical supervision. The body can handle roids quite well and most guys are under optimal test due to lifestyle and environment but its not something you just jab into you and call it a day.

[Anonymous No.8066568]

>>8061877
retard

[Anonymous No.8066604]

>>8066294
>ignores scientific facts and research on countless athletes to cope with his poor life choices and to justify to himself and others
>doesn't realize his stupid decisions are a direct result from low self esteem, thinking his desperate need for appreciation, value and purpose gets saturated by striving for an made-up aesthetic ideal from movies in order to some wrong sense of self validation
>thinks ANYBODY will like him more because how he can flex his roid-induced muscles in front of the mirror
>thinks any human qualities or maturity will develop by themselves by wasting half of ones life by lifting for this idiotic ideal, injecting roids and becoming a neurotic retard about what to eat and not to eat.
>thinks he will get happier, until the stone cold realization kicks in that still nobody wants to have something to do with him because of an actual lack of human qualities
>this is when the real crippling depression kicks in

But oh well, if some anon tells you it is okay, then you shouldn't think twice about such a "lifestyle".

[Anonymous No.8066644]

>>8066495
It still is not good, like ANY external drug it has a direct effect on your system. It is just about measuring the worth against the damage done. If you have some severe myopathy where testosterone helps, then you take it despite the adverse effects. Same with cancer. You don't wanna die from that tumor? Ok, get some chemotherapy a. Doesn't mean the therapy is good and doesn't do any damage to your system, but at least you don't die from the tumor.

[Anonymous No.8066681]

>>8061578
I run EQ and Test on 12 week cycle bulks, then 6 weeks tren A to cut. Then 12-18 off cycle. Shit it's how I got into bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.8066682]

>>8066604
You're assuming an awful lot of thing. If I ever do any steroids or PED one day, it would be purely for me and no one else. I guess it's hard knowing who you're talking to, particularly on here, but you look like you're projecting a lot.

[Anonymous No.8066697]

Gymcels lmao

You know slaying is about primarily about face & height. Obviously frame/ musculature is a component of female attraction, but face & height are first priority, and the appropriate musculature to support face & height can be attained through natty lifting and nutrition. Roiding for aesthetics is the ULTIMATE cope.

>if i waste money on a cycle & i jeopardize my health to be huge, then i'll finally get women!!

I really hate to type like a lookism user but the utterly deluded roid copers ITT are massive faggots

[Anonymous No.8066707]

>>8066697
Dude, I've been fat and I've been jacked. The world treats you better when you're jacked.

[Anonymous No.8067082]

>>8061634
saya the faggot that needs to artificially pump testosterone in
how does it feel to be a bigger bitch than a woman with an eating disorder who feels the need to post selfies for other people to see and approve of

that is the ultimate beta move

[Anonymous No.8067200]

>>8066707
lol he didnt say to be fat, obviously being big is good for a man but that can be attained without needing to cycle test
all the guys i work out with that cycle test are some of the dumbest motherfuckers i have as friends
nothing against them as theyre good guys, but they do such stupid things with their money and time that i just laugh at them and give them some advice
they listen and try to do better but they just keep making the same mistakes, one of them is even a gigolo that fucks older lonely ladies to help pay the bills lol

[Anonymous No.8067232]

>>8062809
At your age Arnold was eating dbol for breakfast and orgies for dinner. Yeah I bet he was just a beta going through puberty again.

[Anonymous No.8067260]

>>8067200
kek

[Anonymous No.8067340]

>>8062244
Go to 8-10% range. Whats the point of cutting if you still look fat

[Anonymous No.8067427]

DYOR applies to everything, not just crypto coins/tokens. Really disappointed in everyone in this thread who is spewing bullshit out of pure ignorance. You’re no different from the nocoiners who think all coins are a scam, holy shit. I bet you faggots think squatting deep is bad for your knees too.

[Anonymous No.8067828]

Love all the roid users saying its safe. Yeah, taking illegal shit which a tainted supply chain is "safe." Look at all the popular roid users who advocate for roids and how safe they are:

Zyzz (dead from roids)
Rich Piana (dead from roids)

The ones that live look like absolute garbage 10 years later with saggy skin and massive guts.

[Anonymous No.8068020]

>>8067828

Not to counter argue, but xyzzy didn’t die directly from anabolics. The guy died because he was dnt, took a fuck tonne of stimulants, partied hard with coke and other uppers. He blew his heart out the roof while cooking himself from the inside, and bit the bullet in a sauna. They said he had hx of family cardiac issues, but that was probably
Some mild hypertension/ congestive heart failure.

The guy was funny, but had he been more educated on thermos, stims, cardiomegaly etc he would have been ok.

This vapid insta/ snap chat age was made for xyzzy. He would have been kardashian level famous I’d say eventually.

[Anonymous No.8068187]

will test help my grow facial hair? i can only grow a patchy mustache at 25. other then that im 6ft and have a deep voice, thick neck and muscular build from working out. skinny hips and broad shoulders so i dont think there is an issue with my test just shitty facial hair genetics.

[Anonymous No.8069046]

>>8063783
Depends on your genes tbqh
Some need more drugs than others

[Anonymous No.8069070]

>>8067828
>Love all the roid users saying its safe.

It's not safe idiot.
Stay out of the kitchen if you can't handle the fire.

[Anonymous No.8069124]

Hypogonadism and pituitary issues are real. All this bullshit about eating clean and sleeping and water is bullshit in some instances. Been lifting 4+ years eating whole/real foods made at home, no fast food or processed garbage in years, no soda in 5+ years, plenty of fat from nuts/avocados, lifting heavy SQ, DL, BP, OH, multi vitamin, selenium, zinc, nofap, all the usual bullshit people spew. Takes 8+ months of cutting at -600 deficit to reach 10% BF, caloric surplus results in no strength gains or muscle size, just more fat. Reached 2p8 bench, 3p8 squat, 3.5p8 DL, 1p8 OH in 4 FUCKING YEARS of lifting, qt 8/10 long term gf, can get an erection but can't maintain for more than 8min. In my 30s can't concentrate/focus like I used to. No desire to do anything. The struggle is real. Finally got my T checked, it's 390ng/dL estradiol 16pg/mL fml. Fuck that I'm starting TRT treatment with medical supervision next week I'll see you no T havin fags at 1000ng/dL.

[Anonymous No.8069320]

>>8065436
Can confirm chad feels
>>8063962
Show me someone who was big before Steve Reeves
>>8063684
I mean, 500 is good when you're middle-aged. As a young adult 700-1200 is optimal
>>8067427
For the love of god, THIS
>>8068187
It's possible. DHT-derived steroids will do so to an even greater degree. Masteron, Winstrol, etc.
>>8066697
Women are a plus. The real treat is no longer dragging along the shackles of social anxiety EVERYWHERE in life

[Anonymous No.8069484]

>>8063009
Some reports make it sound like he accidentally overdosed insulin before the sauna. Slipped away peacefully

[Anonymous No.8069521]

>>8069320
>Steve Reeves
Paul Anderson was a lot stronger and bigger than Steve Reeves but was born 6 years after him. Allegedly Anderson grew up poor and lifted shit he found at a junk yard. He could squat 550lbs cold without wraps at 19y/o. Dood was an absolute freak of nature. Seriously doubt a poor white trash kid from Georgia was on anabolics in the 1940s. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.8069535]

>>8061578
what are your stats

[Anonymous No.8069584]

>>8069124
Things like this make me think HRT is the future of medicine
>So many endocrine disruptors in our environment today
>So many disease states that result from or are negatively impacted by a malfunctioning endocrine system
>Consider how many diseases can be prevented if, by using Test and Thyroid hormone we prevent the pathology of Metabolic Syndrome
Granted, HRT is far more of a "fix" than any big pharma band-aid. I only expect HRT to become a big treatment in the future if we break the shackles of Big Pharma. If not, expect beneficial drugs like testosterone and thyroid hormone to slowly be found as more and more "dangerous" and thus medically "unsafe"

[Anonymous No.8069665]

Most of you have no business using any PEDs. Get your sorry ass in the gym for 5 years before you think about doing that. 5 consistent years of gains, good diet and good workout programming. If you cant navigate and sort all the chafe form the wheat in terms of fitness information and training principles don't do any PEDs yet. You on't even need them especially if you are under 6'1.

I personally haven't used yet but i train more for strength. Managed to reach a 140kg bench @ 5'9 145lbs along with a 180kg Olympic squat in 3 years just through good workout programming and training principles. When I eventually take I will blow past my plateau and get next level gains thanks to the habits i've already built.

If you take as a shortcut, you wont make it. time after time i've seen it. they take early, gain a bit, then months later see them in DYEL mode again. Even the ones who still go to the gym. only those who have put the work in for years and start taking sensibly seem to keep their gains.

The fuck you doing taking steroids before you have come near to your natty limits. first two years are like being on steroids already. bet case scenario you just get big and weak then lose it all after you injure yourself lifting pussy weights for your size because your Tendons and connective tissues take YEARS to build up even with steroids. extremely slowly. they can't handle the weights your muscles can as quickly while on steroids.

[Anonymous No.8069671]

>>8069521
>bigger
>30% bodyfat
Testosterone was first synthesized in the 1930s

There are plenty of accounts that Steve Reeves himself even used anabolics. Testosterone, Dianabol. He even had access to 2,4-Dinitrophenol

[Anonymous No.8069767]

>>8069584
>>So many endocrine disruptors in our environment today
Yes, all the plastic and other chemicals in the food/water, fuel particulates falling from airplanes, processed garbage food is made from engineered soy and corn embedded with round-up, etc. No wonder sperm counts have been on a decline for decades. I had thought about all this too so started buying all organic, had a r/o water filter installed, drink and eat only from glass/ceramic, threw out all plastic food containers/cups. Hasn't made any difference in the last 3-4 years. The damage has already been done it seems. If the TRT shaves off 5-10 years of my life, fuck it, at least I was happier and felt better in the years I had instead of being a miserable puke at 390 and declining for decades.

[Anonymous No.8069874]

>>8069767
tbqh, I don't see TRT shaving off years of life
With a healthy lifestyle, TRT helps prevent fat gain
Fat gain is associated with 90% of age-associated disease
In fact, I think TRT will add quality years to the lives of many men

[Anonymous No.8069875]

>>8069584
>I only expect HRT to become a big treatment in the future if we break the shackles of Big Pharma
meaning not in our lifetime

holy shit did this thread get brigaded by anti-steroid kiddies. I legitimately don't understand how you'd be a /biz/tard that lifts and doesn't take PEDs.

[Anonymous No.8069962]

>>8069874
ty anon, I haven't done a lot of research on long term use at non supraphysiological levels. your post is encouraging.

[Anonymous No.8070041]

>>8061792
*brappppfft*