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Assuming I'm not a sperglord, is it possible to acquire the skills necessary to land a stable job making $15/hour or more within the next couple of months? I'm trying to stop being a NEET. I don't think I have the social skills to become something like a bartender (nor do I have much patience with sloppy drunks) , but I'm not mentally retarded and I can deal with an office environment. Are things really so bad that $15/hour jobs are hard to come by as an adult? It's starting to feel hopeless.

>> No.803809

>>803799
This board is full of "day traders" and "small business owners" (unemployed people)

>> No.803824

>>803799
Couple months? Its a push but html and css and you could do web dev.

Java and the begginings a python and you can bullshit your way into a programmer gig (do something on githib)

But i assume you being a neet means you cant negotiate or anything so maybe the first one

>> No.803828

>>803824
>But i assume you being a neet means you cant negotiate or anything so maybe the first one
I have no real experience negotiating but I could probably learn to code and do html. I've looked into it in the past but there seemed to be little opportunity beyond fighting for scraps with Indians.

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803832

http://pastebin.com/4YeJAUbT

Why do we explore the air?

>> No.803834

>>803828
You should only learn to code if you actually enjoy it. Try out some courses on Treehouse or Codecademy and see if it's your thing.

IMO you should spend a good amount of time thinking of a career path you want to follow, and then taking the necessary first steps. Choose something with lots of growth potential and something you can actually see yourself doing for the rest of your adult life. $15 an hour is unrealistic for your first job, but if you choose a solid path, you'll be making a lot more than that in a couple years.

Getting any random ass job for $11-$15 an hour is useless if it isn't leading toward something greater.

>> No.803837

>>803834
Well, I'm lazy and I have a defeatist mentality in a lot of respects, so I don't want to take advice like
>just do what you love!
too seriously, because if I do I'll just fuck it up and do nothing. I don't really "love" doing work in any respect. Coding sounds a lot easier than than being something like a nurse, for example.

I'm just trying to get off my ass and do something.

>> No.803848

>>803837
IMO if you're lazy you won't be able to teach yourself to code online. Been there done that as a NEET - as soon as I ran into something challenging, I'd start playing video games and got nothing accomplished.

How about getting the A+ cert (takes a month or two of studying, less if you're tech savvy), and getting a job in a computer repair shop? That won't pay $15 to start, more like $13, but you can get raises pretty quickly. After two years you could probably land a job in corporate IT for $20+ an hour.

>> No.803852

>>803848
>IMO if you're lazy you won't be able to teach yourself to code online. Been there done that as a NEET - as soon as I ran into something challenging, I'd start playing video games and got nothing accomplished.
I mean, I'm lazy in a certain sense. I'm capable of sitting down and getting the job done when it's necessary, but I lose motivation easily if I feel like something is insurmountable for me. A simple example of this is that I went from a fat neckbeard to a /fit/izen over the course of the last two years, missing only a handful of self-scheduled gym visits in that time. I guess I'd call myself lazy but disciplined when necessary. Or maybe just unmotivated? I don't know what the right term is.

I do have some IT certs but everyone just tells me that they're irrelevant and that I need experience.

>> No.803869

>>803852
IT certs are irrelevant at higher positions, not entry-level. Certs like A+ should be all you need to get an entry-level IT job. People with no prior professional experience is pretty much who those positions are made for, whether that's Tier 1 Help Desk or Computer Repair Tech (I'd recommend the latter, since a cozy small computer shop beats out a hectic corporate help desk). Just say you freelanced for family and friends, or volunteered, if you need something to put on your resume.

If you think coding would be better I guess go ahead, but it'd probably be more like six months to a year instead of a couple months before you land your first dev job.

>> No.803871

>>803869
I'm 25 and I have a huge employment gap (and all of my previous jobs are McJobs), will that hinder me in getting an entry-level IT job?

>> No.803876

>>803869
>but it'd probably be more like six months to a year instead of a couple months before you land your first dev job.
Damn! Why does that take so long?

>> No.803891

>>803871
A huge employment gap will hinder you on getting almost any job. But it's not a deal-breaker, it just decreases your chances slightly. I wouldn't worry about it, just have a story prepared if they ask you about it in your interview.

>>803876
Because entry-level dev jobs usually go to recent college grads. As much of a waste college can be, it still gives you more knowledge than a couple months worth of online practice.

>> No.803900

>>803871

the helpdesk people everywhere I've worked have seemed like antisocial scum who are like you and just did it to get a job, so I doubt it would be a probe.

That said you don't have to find something you love, just something that will reliably pay the bills until you find something you enjoy.

>> No.803932

Apply at a cheese plant they'd prob start you at 15/hr

>> No.803941

You can drive forklifts at Fedex or work hard labor for more than 15$ with almost no experience starting right now.

>> No.803942

>>803941
>You can drive forklifts at Fedex
No kidding? That seems too easy not to have a ton of competition.

>> No.803944

>>803942
Multiple shifts, the turnover rate is high, you don't need any certifications. They've had openings 5 times in the past 6 months here. Thing is it's only part-time, ~20h or so a week

>> No.803945

>>803944
why's the turnover so high if it pays a respectable wage (by my standards, anyway) and requires no cert? 20h a week is fine imo, at least it's income, better than NEETing it up

>> No.803946

Clean up suicides and crime scenes

Wage varies by city but way more than $15

>> No.803948

>>803946
Fuck yes, is there a name for this job? How can I search for it?

>> No.803951

>>803799
Seriously Op? Just like apply anywhere in Canada, I myself am a Security Guard making 16/hr

>> No.803956

>>803948

Cleaning companies sometimes just have premium rates they pay their employees. You could probably start that way. I'm not even sure how to find these cleaning companies...they clean disasters other weird shit...not like regular business/house cleaning. Like after a severe roof leak and shit like that...or hoarders moving out/dying...or other nightmares.

>> No.803957

>>803945
Most people work seasonally and others want to move on from part-time. It's a pretty neat job but I quit after being relocated to a facility that wasn't in a safe part of town doing night-shift.

What resources are you using to find a job?

>> No.803958

>>803957
the usual job listing sites, although my resume is shit and basically blank if it weren't for fabrication

>> No.803988

>>803828
>I have no real experience negotiating but I could probably learn to code and do html.

No one fucking hires people who know html, wtf?

Web developers don't just write dumb shit in html and get paid a premium wage for it... The field would be beyond saturated(more than it already is).

You can't learn to code *properly* in a few months, people get bachelors degrees in computer science and many of the graduates are still retarded when it comes to programming, a NEET won't be able to out-do them in several months.

Anyway stick to your Chinese cartoons and cuck porn, every other day there is a thread like this and the person gives up in seemingly under 12 hours.

>> No.803991

>>803988
damn you are one salty motherfucker lol
the only reason I even mentioned html was because the person to whom I was speaking used the term

>> No.804015

>>803832
Is this up to date?

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804033

>>804015
As far as I know, yes it is. If you find a discrepancy though, please send me an email at the address at the bottom of the bin.

>> No.804035

>>803799
Go online, buy a course to get your tax preparer license. This cost me around $130 bucks or so. Finish open book course and go get a job preparing tax returns. Should get you around 15/hour. I work full time as a tax preparer and make 16/hour. If you want something a bit better get your enrolled agent license. I am currently working on this.

>> No.804042

>>804035
thank you for the tip :)

>> No.804050

>>804042
go back to reddit.

>> No.804052

>>804050
>le random reddit insult meme

>> No.804058

>>804042
Just be prepared to do mind numbing number work all day long. Also, you'll learn a lot more on the job preparing returns than any course will teach you. I've been preparing returns for about three months and have done about 500 so far, but I was previously working at a tax company in a customer service type job. A job like mine, preparing tax returns all year round, is somewhat rare considering most of the tax businesses like HR Block are mostly seasonal. I work for a resolution firm solving back tax issues for people who owe beaucoup bucks, so I am doing returns as far back as 2001 all year round.

>> No.804136

>>803799

Dude don't listen to all these pessimistic edgelords. There are tons of things you can do for 15.

I am doing materials management/industrial safety stuff right now. I am on a 12 month contract. The company I am with is hiring forklift drivers (no exp necessary) right now starting at 14, and bumping up to 16.50 after 90 days. They cannot fill these positions. If you showed up and just said - "Hey, I'm motivated, willing to work hard, and learn" - they would hire you literally on the spot.

You can get a CDL in your state and start a bit higher than that.

You can also -

1)Work for At&T, Spint, or Verizon retail, selling. They make over 15.

2) You could be a personal trainer for close to 15 (if you are semi-fit) with no experience.

3) Get your CompTia A+ and work helpdesk in IT.


Basically anything sales or customer service, although shitty work IMO, can lead to making a lot more money fairly quickly.

>> No.804137

>>804136
Thanks for the post, I appreciate it. I've looked into the personal training thing and around here they pay a lot less, like $10--I don't know how the fuck grown adults can do that job for that amount of money and be okay with it.

Forklift driving sounds nice the way you put it but I've never seen or heard of jobs like that around here, and I can't imagine the competition being thin for a $14/hour job with no exp required, etc... Being a computer nerd like a lot of 4chan, helpdesk sounds like a pretty safe route, so I might look into getting my A+.

Thanks again for the post

>> No.804148

>>804137
No sweat.


If you decide not to go into IT, I would at least look into it. Search monster or career builder for "production" positions. Pages and pages of shit should come back. The turnover is really high and there is plenty of work.

College kids aren't really looking into driving forklifts coming out of school. They just want to work in the AC, writing code or selling insurance. Almost literally no women do it, which cuts out half of potential applicants.

There are not tons of highly qualified people looking to work in the warehouse as a driver. All the people who are "qualified" who were once drivers now work in operations or management in that industry.

If you have a clean(ish) criminal record, a HS diploma, and speak good English you have a really good shot, even if NEET.

Also, if you tell them you have computer skills, especially MS Office (excel, access, word) that will put you over the top.

Good Luck.

>> No.804503

>>804148
Thanks again

>> No.804533

>>803809
A business owner is by definition unemployed. To be employed, you need to work for someone else and draw a wage.

>> No.804543

Will all these forklift jobs take you even if you've never driven one, and train you? Even if you've never driven anything bigger than a bike?

>> No.804565

>>804543
Some yes, some no.

In the US, you don't need a license of any sort to operate vehicles on private property. You do need different classes of licences (w/ varying) amounts of training) to operate on public roads.

If you work inside of a facility/warehouse etc, some of them will train you from scratch.

>> No.804569

>>804565
is this just an "everyone with a warehouse" kinda thing or should I be looking into specific companies?

>> No.804577

>>804569
Go to a job website like monster or careerbuilder and search for "production" jobs.

They almost always have skills on their listings that cannot be quantified - organized, willing to learn, pleasant interpersonal demeanor, computer savvy etc. Just tailor your resume around what they are asking for. If your resume has a solid template, with no grammatical errors, that will already put you above 75% of the applicants they get.


If you have a clean background and seem pleasant enough, you can definitely get on somewhere. This type of work is not like these guys on here that say things like
>herp derp I make 5000 a week on the oilfields!
though.

It is shift work, that usually pays entry level from 14-20 depending on the metro area. IMO its waaaay better than working some low paying, entry level customer service or sales job though.

>> No.804578

>>804577
>Go to a job website like monster or careerbuilder and search for "production" jobs.
Got it, thanks. Can you give me any tips given that my resume is essentially blank and given that I have a huge gap in employment since my last McJob (probably 4 years)? Everyone tells me that this will fuck me over but I can't find a lot of advice on how to overcome it.

>> No.804600

>>804578

Well a hiring manager is not legally allowed to ask you how old you are, so if you look young enough you could just say you dabbled in community college and you were unsure of where you wanted to go, but now it is time that you want to start working and get serious. Or just tell them that you worked in the service industry and your experience is unrelated and that is why you left it off your resume, which is technically true.

If you are really worried about it man, I would contact an employment service. They will assign you a recruiter who works strictly on commission when he places people in jobs. They don't charge anything. You could literally walk in one today to speak w a recruiter.

Just send 1000 resumes out and start taking interviews man. Just be straight up, they aren't going to grill you or anything. Most hiring managers deal with ghetto blacks/50 year old high school dropouts/scumbags all the time.

Don't sell yourself short. All sorts of people have baggage and employment gaps. I was nervous as shit when I first started taking interviews. I was so nervous on the phone, I almost got the runs. When I went in to meet this guy, he was a total bro who was my age at the time and hired me on the spot.

I think you are giving the process too much power.

>> No.804603

>>804578
On second thought, don't say shit. Just don't put an employment section on your resume at all. You could just say it is your first job. Its not that big of a deal. People on /biz/ are so full of shit.

You don't need an MBA/MCSA to move around boxes in a stock room.

>> No.804604

>>804603
>>804600
Thanks for the tips... I'm 25 and I look 12, and I'm also short, so if they really can't ask how old I am they'll probably assume I'm younger unless I say otherwise lol

>> No.804607

>>804603
>>804600
>>804604
One final question I suppose: Do you wear a tie with 'business casual' attire when going to these interviews or is that too much? I feel like I look better with a shirt/tie but a lot of people have told me that that's sort of weird and not really what convention calls for

>> No.804626

>>804607

Definitely a tie. Probably with a button down oxford type shirt, and nice khakis or slacks. Suit not really necessary, but would not be out of place.

If they are interested in hiring you, they will eventually ask you if you have a pair of steel-toed work boots. Either get a pair or just say yes, you have them and buy them before you start.

IRL a pair of good boots is an important purchase. Usually north of 100 bucks, but you can write it off on your taxes and get it back.

>> No.804961

>>803832
has anyone worked for leapforce? if so could you describe the process and what you did?

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>>804961
I used to work for them. You will have a problem getting Information about the actual workings of the position due to their NDA. Just read the job listing and decide to apply if you want to. There is no fee to apply and you have literally nothing to lose by doing so.

I shall issue some caveats though. First that Betsy Sharp blog post is shit should you come across it. She was placed on probation for being terrible at her job and decided to leave. Second, all hail Grandpa for he is based.

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Non /biz/nessman here.

could I make $300 usd working from home? I just want to make enough to support myself, you know; food, gym membership, transportation, etc.
I'm 21, fucked up a lot in life, and finally, about to begin university.

I looked at quackerson's pastebin but I'd like to know how much you guys make(if you happen to do anything from that list ofc).

Also any general info about leapforce?
there's almost no info about them besides questions.

gonna be back in a few hours, hope this thread is still alive when I return.

>> No.805202

>>803824
I can spank HTML and CSS. I know a smattering of php and ruby.

How do I into a job?

>> No.805206

>>805015
>First that Betsy Sharp blog post is shit should you come across it. She was placed on probation for being terrible at her job and decided to leave. Second, all hail Grandpa for he is based.

Is this something I should know before applying?

>> No.805212

>>803832
Damn that document is looking good.

Besides the mturk type sites are there any other jobs which I can do on top of my regular job? I have a lot of time until something goes wrong and then I need to drop everything and attend to the problem. I would like to increase my hourly wage.

>> No.805226

>>803988
They *are* one salty motherfucker. That said, I would mostly agree with the first half. You cant really learn how to be a good coder in a few months. You can learn the basics, and I wouldnt start with html.

>>804015
Edited a year ago, but yea, pretty much. You could... Try the links? Shit man, if thats too hard, you're doomed.
>>804050
Lol, reddits dying a horrible death as of like 8 hours ago.

>>804136
I completely agree with this. Shit, I was interested in HVAC and got a job at 14/hr with zero experience with paid training. You can do anything man, just gotta actually GET UP and DO it. Theres no lack of payment out there, just your lack of doing.

>"Hey, I'm motivated, willing to work hard, and learn"
THIS A THOUSAND TIMES. You add the sentence "Im not looking for a job, but a career" next to that, and you'll have employers jizzin in their pants for you. Sadly, experience and education dont compare to social skills when it comes to getting a job. Theres books on that for less than $10. Personally the only one Id recommend is by Dale Carnegie, but its not a how-to-talk-your-way-into-a-job specific guide... But its all you need to know IMO.

>You could be a personal trainer for close to 15 (if you are semi-fit) with no experience.

On a random side note, my roommates and I who go to the same (fairly pricy[gogo house discount]) gym made a bet that I could get them begging me to work there in no time. I spent a few hours studying on exrx, more like a couple days for you if you're entirely clueless on exercising, walked in and asked for a one hour free meeting with a personal trainer, and asked them a list of questions that I brought with me. Thing was, these were really, really basic questions that any trainer should know.
>Should I static stretch before or after lifting, or at all?
>Should I do cardio or lifting first when I get to the gym?
>How do I lose stomach fat?
>What should I be eating before or after?
>What are your opinions on CrossFit?

lol, capd

>> No.805228

>>805226
Continued:
Okay, that last one was actually for personal amusement, but the list went on. Anyways, these all have solid pratically "exercise law" answers to them. That said, theres good, okay, and bad answers to all of them. Anyways, to continue this ridiculously long story, I wrote down their answers, went back home, practice a few lines, went back to the gym and asked to talk to the manager. Went over the questions and answers I got, explained the scientific data and how he was blantently incorrect on like 90% of the questions, and even though Im no fuckin Arnold, the guy wanted me so bad it hurt him. $20/hr offer starting. Didnt need the job, so I told him, but I made $20 from each of my 3 roommates. Which in retrospect, was probably about $20/hr work. Oh, and never question CrossFit to a gym owner/manager. Its a religion, dont question their god. No matter what proof you have.

Shit, just noticed in the minute of waiting this:
>>804137
>I've looked into the personal training thing and around here they pay a lot less
hadnt gotten that far, lol.

>> No.805230

>>803832

Typo, "Upword" -> "Upwork"

>> No.805231

>>805228
Oh, now that I mention it... If you enjoy seeing pain, you could go take a cross fit certificate class... That is, if you have a thousand bucks laying around. Takes one weekend and you're a certified coach. Its actually a fantastic job, you get to yell at people and tell them to do horrible horrible things to themselves, and they do. If you're a sadist, theres no better job.

>> No.805264

Lol, do people really settle for 15 an hour?

>> No.805279

>>805264
Do you not realize that minimum wage exists for a reason? Or do you think its just something for people to sit around in a room and talk about while everyone alive is making $50/hr? Millions settle for far less a couple dollars an hour... Jesus...

>> No.805321

>>803832
Oh i missed the part first time that said for us residents only, i was hyped af, 13usd/hour is like twice what an avg job here pays you. Too bad its limited to us residents...

>> No.805331

>>803799
Custodian.

>> No.805618 [DELETED] 
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805618

We make sites/blogs, sign them up for AdSense/Media.net, and then click each other's ads for $$$.

Long story: Really, I'd call this grayhat, but some of you may find this useful, especially if you're on a shoestring budget and have some extra time to make cash. Google's AdSense and Yahoo's Media.net offer relatively good money for little work -- you can easily make $3-$5 per click (which only takes around 7-10 mins to finish).

You don't have to take my word for it; we've got a huge community on Palringo, as well as splinter communities on IRC and Skype. We've been doing this successfully for just under a decade now in total, and it pretty much pays for my schooling/bills.

I am a reputable leader of my own group on Palringo, and there are dozens of rooms you can join to exchange links. There are 2-3 really good rooms, which I will be glad to direct you to as well. The biggest room has over 400 members.

Download Palringo client and google adsense boost exchangers first link click join or you can
type [adsense advance] turns blue in chat client.

You can also find the group by goggling "adsense advance" palringo first link.

>> No.805633

I was thinking about starting a delivery service but using my bicycle. Any tips for this shit? I was hoping to kind of just be a contract deliverer but I'm NEET and retarded and need advice on this shit.

>> No.805644

Consider enlistment in the military. The pay is not great but the perks and benefits make up for it. I'm talking about free housing, free food, free medical care/insurance, the use of USAA banking, at least 1 month of paid vacation a year (in addition to federal holidays), military discounts, free college education.

If you want a normalish job and the cushiest benefits the Air Force is your best bet, but if you want to pursue a career where you get payed to do wild shit that's also an option. For example I am currently at Airborne (paratrooper) school and after this I go to selection for the Rangers.

Just be warned if you do further research in this area recruiters are sociopathic liars, even the ones who genuinely believe the military can offer great opportunities are duty bound to present military life in the best light possible.

>> No.805659

>>805618
How risky is this? How many people have been caught? I'm interested but I don't want to be blacklisted.

>> No.805670

>>805618
fuck off and die, right now, you spamming cunt.
i mean it.
cunt.

>> No.805690

>>805659
I have heard about people from /biz/ getting banned for doing that

>> No.805702

>>805690
That's what I thought. I mean, how easy is it for Google to just camp those communication channels and blacklist all of the sites they come across?

It just seems like you would need to set up a VPN and a shell company first. :/

I don't even understand how anyone is getting away with it.

>> No.805704

>>803824
>>github

How do I into github?

Is it actually possible for beginner to contribute to github projects? I've looked at some and they seem too advanced.

Any recommendations of what types of projects I should be looking at (which a beginner can contribute)?

>> No.805758

>>805704
>Is it actually possible for beginner to contribute to github projects? I've looked at some and they seem too advanced.

Seriously, I am an intermediate programmer and I have no idea how or where to contribute.

>> No.805777

>>805644
If anyone takes this route, make sure you get a good deal or the recruiters will skin you alive. Make sure you get put in a position which will train you in marketable job skills. Don't be a specialized widget repairman, make sure they train you to be a mechanic or something.

>> No.805818

>>805702
They are not, i tried doesn't not work much better than not doing it because you have to match the number of ad clicks with real page views for google not to know you are trying to cheat their system and if you can get the amount of traffic you need to make this work you'd be able to monetize that traffic for legit clicks anyway

>> No.805819

>>805818
Those tools were to combat being blacklisted, not trying to click on your own links.

It would take a stupid number of VPNs to get enough clicks.

I guess you could do it if you had a botnet...

>> No.805874

>>805819
>if you had a botnet...
>what's palringo

>> No.805875

seriously someone share some stuff about leapforce. we are all anonymous in here...

>> No.805895

>>804148
New anon here. Im 19 with no skills but im willing to do anything to get a decent wage.

Right now im torn between college and trade school.

In your opinion, what is the best choice and what type of jobs should I look for when going into either of them?

>> No.805911

>>805874
But that still doesn't address my point about Google blacklisting sites which have been submitted to the click sharing ring. I don't understand why Google wouldn't just ban any site on the list.

It wouldn't be hard for them to combat it unless I am missing something key to your plans.

>> No.805999

>>805911
>unless I am missing something key to your plans.
what do you mean by my plans?
I'm not part of palringo, and I'm not suggesting it.
What I meant was that the palringo client IS the botnet.

>> No.806006

>>805999
Sorry, I thought you were >>805618

>> No.806013

>>805170
g-guys? pls anyone?

>> No.806015

>>805875
I'd like to hear more about it as well. I did read that Betsy Sharp blog post and it made LF sound like a slightly more legit version of those PTC sites or something. Anyone here actually getting a regular 40-hour work week out of them?

>> No.806053

>>806013
Sorry, I wasnt 'round. Yes, its an absolute fact that you can make $300/mo from home. I mean... If you work 10 hours a day for 30 days, thats 300 hours. If you can manage to make $1/hr online, you can make $300 a month.

That said, if you mean can you make $300/mo without it being a fulltime job, then... Yes! There are hundreds of people making 5+ digits a MONTH online from home. I sure as hell dont make anything close to that per month, but I assure you I make more than $300. It entirely depends on how much time you want to put into it, and what you choose to do.

>> No.806106

I left my night shift stocking job recently after doing it for 8 years, and I'm not really sure what to do now. I live alone, I don't have any college education, and I don't have a car. I also have an extreme case of mush mouth, so I'm sure any kind of customer service job wouldn't work out too well. I'm decently /fit/ and I like manual labor, but I guess I never realized how dead this town I'm in really is job-wise.

Due to some advice I got from a kind anon a few years ago, I took up a frugal life and saved money whenever I could. I got enough money to lean on for a least a year before I might have to start selling off my collectibles to get by, but I don't want to be a NEET for that long. What should I do?

>> No.806126

>>803832
OP here,
>check this guide
>follow some links
>find a few subreddits dedicated to this type of thing
I'm honestly pretty hyped at a lot of the possibilities here. A lot of these things appear to be legitimate ways to earn a livable wage online, provided you've got proper work ethic and you're not retarded. Thanks to >>803832 and to everyone who contributed to this thread.

Probably going to check out mturk first just for a bit of spending money before I really delve into the serious business stuff. A lot of people on Reddit report earning ~$500/month just putting one or two hours into it a day, which, as a NEET, sounds perfect for easy, part-time income.

thanks again bros

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806200

>>803799
Invest in Bitcoin and all your problems will go away.

>> No.806208

>>805895
/diy/ could probably give you an unbiased opinion of tradeschool. As for college, even if you can't find a job in your major, you can at use your degree at a shitty job. Restaurant manager, call center supervisors, almost every decent shitty job needs to know you can do four years of bullshit before they can promote you.

>> No.806716

>>803958
what do you do for references? Maybe I'm just a coward, but I don't have any and don't want to make any up for fear of getting caught

>> No.806745

>>806716
let's start a company which specializes in 'simulated' work histories and references for NEET clients :^)

>> No.806758

>>803832

Can we just sticky this

>> No.806760

>>806758
NO

>> No.806803

>>806760
why not?

>> No.806805

>>806106
Sell the stuff you don't need and put it towards a shitty car. Having transportation opens up a bunch of opportunities.

>> No.806807

>>806803
if you don't know why not then you probably shouldn't be postin here

>> No.806837

>>806807
agreed

>> No.806841

>>806807
considering the amount of
>how to make money online gayz
threads, I guess it could help.

>> No.806996

>>806841
They will just ignore it and post anyway.

>> No.807021

>>806996
To be honest, I almost ignored it. I guess it's just so straightforward that for some reason I thought it wasn't worth looking over. I'm glad I didn't skip it.

>> No.807027

>>807021
Exactly.

>> No.807190

>>803832
>>804015
>>805212
>>806758

Are you people just fucking retarded? Document is 3/10 at best. Links to "Craig's List" and Monster.com.... gee some fucking in depth reporting there Tom Brokaw

>> No.807203

>>807190
Your alternative is far superior in every way.

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807205

>>807190
Yup we should sticky your guide instead. I bet It's a perfect 11/10 document. Sure mine is flawed, but overall it helps some people.

>> No.807240

>>807205
>>803832

1. Obtain/Learn skills on your own
2. Lie about previous employment to cover NEET gap in resume
3. Land a job paying 3x more than this guide.

>> No.807561

>>807240
yeah, okay bud
>number of NEETs this will actually work for: 0
>number of NEETs who can probably get a real paying job within the next couple of weeks through one of the links on that guy's guide: a lot

why are you even in this thread? just to try to shit on everyone and garner disdain for yourself?

>> No.807566

>>806758
>>807205
>>807240

Dont worry i will make a guide for you neets im pretty much a guru

>> No.807590

Well if I were a NEET, I'd do a shit tone of learning and then start handing out flyers in the neighborhood for laptop/PC repair for a really low price ($20 kinda price). You can learn how to fix pretty much anything wrong with a computer with access to the internet and enough determination.

You might not make a huge amount of money but there are no overheads so everything is profit, and it'll look good to future employers.

>> No.807641

As someone who's done basically every single work-at-home thing on that pastebin, let me just say to be prepared for disappointment.

MTurk is almost entirely about being in the right place at the right time to get the closed qualifications for the good tasks, otherwise you'll have to bust your ass to make more than $35/day. Amazon is also jacking up their commission on work so the pay and available work is about to take a massive dive.

Leapforce/Lionbridge/Appen is incredibly arbitrary. You spend all day grading how good search results are according to a massive document they force you to memorize and it often makes no sense (for example, a search result for a perscription drug featuring some images of generic pills is automatically "very good" because it has images even if they're completely useless) and then test you on it, a long process that you are not compensated for. If they change their guidelines, you have to relearn the document over again. You are given little feedback and can be terminated for any reason, whether because your numbers were too poor (or too good as sometimes happens) or simply because the amount of work these sites get fluctuates wildly over time. Once you've been let go, and they will sever your contract at some point (I worked there four years before I was let go when the work temporarily dried up), they will never give you a chance to come back, and you can't work for any of their competitors because you sign an NDA when you take any of these jobs.

These are all very, very temporary solutions and can't be counted upon for long

>> No.807677

>>807641

I honestly think making/uploading Youtube videos, and treating it like a serious business, is a legitimate way to make money online that isn't exclusive to the elite at top. The people I've seen quit doing YT videos never consistently post and/or don't have the work ethic of those successful Youtubers.

Getting a good camera, microphone, editing software (and the knowledge to use it well), decent computer, etc are all basics for making Youtube videos work. Then paying Youtube for promotion, probably in the hundreds, will work. It's still thousands cheaper than making your business by opening a restaurant, etc.

>> No.807692

>>807641
>MTurk is almost entirely about being in the right place at the right time to get the closed qualifications for the good tasks, otherwise you'll have to bust your ass to make more than $35/day
Can you define 'bust your ass'? Mturk seemed like a promising way to get practice and personal experience for transcription while still making a little bit of money

>> No.807695

>>807641
>>807692
Also, how much did you make during those four years at LF?

>> No.807705

>>807692
The transcription HITs are actually among the best on mTurk, but they can be very arbitrary as you have to follow the associated style guide to the letter or your shit will get rejected. Get rejected too much and they'll block you, which is definitely a problem as there are only two or three major transcription requesters on MTurk and the high-paying tasks can take quite a bit of time. You'll also have to fight through the qualification process, which can be annoying and instantly kill your ability to work on them if you fuck up, not to mention needing 1000-5000 approved HITs to even take said test, which can take a very monotonous month or so to acquire.

As for everything else, it's surveys (which will all be disappearing soon as Amazon increased their fees for surveys by 400%) and stuff along the lines of 'FIND PHONE INFORMATION FOR THIS OBSCURE COMPANY BASED IN A FOREIGN STRIP MALL' that will pay you a dime for five minutes of your efforts.

The people who make serious bank are either mTurk "Masters", which is a special thing that Amazon gives you when you spend all day every day for your first six months working on mTurk without getting rejected, or people who have gotten very lucky and found some hidden HIT that pays well and has a lot available. They typically will not tell you which HIT this is, unless it is no longer open to new workers, which is almost always the case anyways.

>> No.807709

>>807705
Thanks for the reply. I suppose as far as 'legitimate' work goes, it really sounds like transcription is the way to go, as long as I can hack it. I did some reading and it sounds like there are a fair amount of legitimate companies online that will pay both private contractors and hire traditional employees to work for them, so it seems like a straightforward little 'career' which I can use to earn money while I'm in school. I did read a lot of what you posted here on reddit's mturk forum and on similar sites, and the only thing that really alarms me, of what you've said so far, is that they're raising fees. Do you have any sources on this which outline specific info?

>> No.807714

>>807695
They, unlike the other companies that do the same thing, let you work 40 hours a week (although that wasn't always the case when I was there). I probably averaged about $24k a year, although the max was a touch above $30k if you worked the full 40 each week.

Note also that their application process is a joke. You send in your resume or whatever and you may not hear from them for months. I didn't get a response for four months after I applied. Availability also varies by state for god knows what reason, and I think they only want college grads or something although that might have changed.

>> No.807718

>>807714
>and I think they only want college grads or something although that might have changed.
time to cross that off the list I guess

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it. It sounds like drudgery, but 24k's not too bad for what would basically be my first non-McJob, and working at home on a computer sounds fantastic

>> No.807722

>>807709
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/23/amazons-mechanical-turk-fee-hike-irks-researchers/

There's a news article. 300% increase for surveys (which tended to be the most lucrative thing one could do on MTurk), 100% increase for everything else.

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807730

>>807566
Then pic related

>> No.807731

>>807722
I see that it says that they're doubling the fee from 10% to 20%. Where did you get the info about the increase for surveys?

That sucks, but I don't think things like transcription work will go away completely. Worst case scenario I think would just be a 10% hit to worker earnings, which, while shitty, doesn't totally destroy mturk as an opportunity to make a few bucks from home as far as I can tell

danke

>> No.807741

>Stable well paying job
>Looking to be NEET so I can learn programming all day

life is kill

>> No.807742

>>807741
>wanting to become a loser

>> No.807757

>>807731
>>807722
oh shit, they're hitting surveys at 40%, now I see what you meant

>> No.807766

I got my A+ cert and got a job 2 weeks later doing help desk at HP for $14/hr

If you frequent tech-related boards and/or have computer-related hobbies at all, and you have $600 to burn, you could seriously study for that exam and pass both tests before the week is out. Personally I took a few months because I'm a lazy librul wagecuck, but I know people that have done it in that time.

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807769

>>807766
Did you have any experience or anything? I have a shit-tier resume--do you think A+ would still help significantly?

>>807757
>>807731
>>807722
>>807718
>>807714
>>807709
>>807705

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807778

>>807769

>> No.807779

>>807769
I had a boatload of customer service experience (just min wage sandwich shop sort of stuff), but this is my first IT-related job. I put up a profile on Monster shortly after I got my cert, and I got a call from them 3 days later. I'm not sure what keywords they would have used to find me, but A+ is probably one of them. Shit they never even verified it or anything, you can probably just say you do while trying to learn enough to not spaghetti everywhere. YMMV of course.

>> No.807780

>>807779
Thanks for the heads up, broheim! I appreciate it.

>> No.807820

>>806805
To clarify, I don't have a driver's license, and driving absolutely terrifies me. It's childish I know, but I can't get over that fear. Just riding in someone's car makes me tense up.

For other options though, how lucrative is bartending? I met a guy from /tg/ at a convention meetup who said that it's really well-paying and easy to get certified to do it. Are online courses good enough, or should I try to find a local course?

>> No.807840

I recently had back surgery for a herniated disc, and I just got denied for SSI even though I can't lift more then 20lbs at a time.

They even said that while my condition is severe, I can find "light work" to do.
There is literally nothing in my town that does not have the "can you lift 20lbs or more" box in an application. I don't know what to do.

>> No.807864

>>807820
I dont know if you can call bartending lucrative, but it can make good cash and I know a couple of people doing it to put themselves through college. I recommend going to a local course. Bartending is more than just knowing what goes into a drink or how much. It's your attitude, customer service, technique,ability to handle pressure and being quick.

>I don't have a driver's license, and driving absolutely terrifies me
That's a shame. Delivering pizzas isn't half-bad, especially on busy nights.

>> No.807873

>>807820
>driving absolutely terrifies me.
I sure hope you don't live in America. America is pretty tough to get to your job without a car. Some places will put 'reliable transportation' in their interview questions.

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807874

>>806200

>> No.807907

>>807741
trust me you don't want to be a NEET.
I'm feeling so hopeless man

>> No.808023

>>807907
cheer up bruv

>> No.808149

lmao mturk suspended my account for no reason before i could even start
this is what my life has become
denied from a job for worthless people without a reason stated, this is what I do now, i want to fucking die
i am worth $0

>> No.808203

>>808149
please elaborate sir, give us some details

>> No.808228

>>808203
I just want to make some money to buy a fucking helium tank and a mask, but I'm so worthless I cannot even manage that. I will now go and steal. Failing that, agitate cops with rocks and get killed

>> No.808231

>>808228
I meant details about your rejection

dayum

>> No.808234

>>808149
lulz prob just in the wrong region its murica only, go do clickworker instead

>> No.808238

>>808234
I'm in california
I am doing clickworker since two days ago
>>808231
they said I failed to complete the process of filling in my account info, so they had to restrict my account. the email before that was one saying that I finished registering my account and should wait for them to approve it. sent them an email

>> No.808471

Is 26 too old to start over if you haven't done anything with your life already? I have a college degree but it hasn't helped me get employed for shit. Everyone tells me how good my resume looks but it never helps. I write cover letters all the fucking time and still get nothing. I can't even get entry level, bullshit office work.

I'm running out of options and getting depressed for the first time in my life. I've thought about joining my states national guard, they have surprisingly amazing benefits, one of which is a 100% tuition waiver for every single state school. But I don't know if I can even hack it, I'm not a fatass but I can barely run a 10 minute mile.

>> No.808724
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808724

Joined clickworker today, set up my profile for an hour and I only got one job offer.
And it needs me to download some audio-record-app and record some sentences.
My phone is shit and my profile even says, that I'm not interested in "phone stuff".

What am I supposed to do?
I was willing to "work" for 3€/hour, but that is not possible without work.

>> No.808769

>>808471
What's your degree?
Do you have any experience?
Personal projects? Portfolio?

>> No.808786

>>808724
use mturk instead assuming you're from england or something

>> No.808792

>>808471

I'm 27, just graduated from undergrad. NEET, except I own a successful app business, so maybe that doesn't count. Still can't really put that on a resume though in the event I want a job, and I actually kind of do, just out of sheer loneliness.

>> No.808797

>>808792
how much do you earn? do you do all the coding yourself? that's a dream of mine--to code apps and make even a meager income from it--but I don't think it's viable for me at the moment

let me live vicariously through you, anon

>> No.808821

>>808797
I actually don't do any coding myself, I outsource it all. I have over 50 apps and 2 million installs to date. Make around $4-$6k a month but have other income sources.

>> No.808859

>>808821
How much did you invest

>> No.808868

>I don't think I have the social skills to become something like a bartender (nor do I have much patience with sloppy drunks)
Then why did it even cross your mind.

>> No.808902

I have an engineering degree and a completely horrible job which is killing my will to live. I'm starting to develop schizophrenia and I'm not sure I can maintain an engineering job anymore.

What can I go into that's less mentally demanding, something where I do the same thing every day, but still get paid a living wage? I mean I have an EE degree.

>> No.808907

>>808859

Few k maybe total? I started with like $300

>> No.808934

>>808786
I'm from Germany. Amazon is now checking my application (it can take up to 48 hours).


>>808907
So you have the ideas for apps and pay other people to realize them?

>> No.808943

>>808934
>So you have the ideas for apps and pay other people to realize them?
Wondering this as well. I think I might learn to code in-depth and just tweak the stuff that the outsourcers provide. Seems like a safe model as long as your ideas aren't terrible.
>>808907
If you don't mind, I'd appreciate a vague idea of your monetization structure. Ads? etc

>> No.808947

>>808868
>Then why did it even cross your mind.
The point was that I don't necessarily want to bar-tend for those reasons, but I'm not completely incapable of other things

>> No.809032

>>808934
Yes.
>>808943
My saving grace is a strong background in SEO, which translates well into ASO. This is probably my biggest advantage over other devs doing a similar model. Just do your research, keep your ideas simple (at first), and minimize costs. Doing this all of my apps have been profitable.

>> No.809040

>>809032
Thanks for the reply

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809072

>Greetings from Amazon Payments,

>Unfortunately, we have been unable to confirm your account information which is required in order to utilize our service. We regret we will not be able to allow your account to transact in the future.

Denied right from the get-go
Time for me to just fucking end it haha

>> No.809755

>>809072
suicide is nigh :(

>> No.810076

>>808902
this I'm literally this guy someone please

>> No.810208

>>810076
we're all gonna make it

>> No.810615

>>810076
>>809072
how the fuck did you get rejected?

>> No.810617

>Tfw getting cucked by God

why do i even life?

>> No.810686

>>809072
This happened to my friend when we both took a vacation from out slave wage jobs for a summer. I think he just made a mistake on his personal info, like literally a typo of some sort.

I don't remember exactly what it was but I wouldn't let it get you discouraged. Contact their support and see what the deal is. I thought it might have been him messing up his social number but if you're outside the US that wouldn't even apply.

Anyways don't give up just yet, wait till you are able to use Mturk and make $3 for a full days work of surveys. Then you can end it.

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810694

>>805704
>>805758

you don't need to contribute to an open source project. just work on your own projects and push them to github. that way you have a portfolio, and doing this also demonstrates you have (limited) knowledge of version control.

>> No.810699

>>810617
That means God is annoyed by you. Your reason to live is to annoy God! That's a pretty good reason because I don't think God cares about just anyone.

>> No.810710

>>804058
Mate can explain how you when about this more specifically, as in where you got your certification and such

>> No.811111

>>808786
Greetings from Amazon Mechanical Turk,
We have completed our review of your Amazon Mechanical Turk Worker Account. We regret to inform you that you will not be permitted to work on Mechanical Turk.

Our account review criteria are proprietary and we cannot disclose the reason why an invitation to complete registration has been denied. If our criteria for invitation changes, you may be invited to complete registration in the future.

I have a Amazon account since 5 years or more. I bought more than 20 items there. Total BS.

>> No.811120

>>811111
That's depressing

>> No.811128

>>811111
I applied about three days ago, and I haven't heard a word back from them at all. Guess they're getting picky about who they want now?

>> No.811129

>>811128

You need one year experience as a mechanical turk.

>> No.811180

>>807873
This is true

A long time ago I was looking to get a job as a lowly stock man in a grocery store.

It was a pretty sure in job for me but then they asked me how I would get there. At the time I didn't have a car. Someone would have been able to give me a ride but, they brought up the point that that ride may not always be there, so I had to let that job go.

>> No.811498

>>811111
>>811120
>>811128
On another note, clickworker just reviewed my sample text and I scored 95% (passed the other tests witch 90%+ too). That means I'm in the top 10% and I think it makes me eligible for almost everything.

Good luck to you all! I'm sure, that most of us are going to make it.

>> No.811539

>>811498
does clickworker have transcription like mturk? I'll probably sign up for both. Transcription seems like the dickens for people who type fast.

Gonna order a pedal and everything

>> No.811825

>>811111
I got accepted but I don't like mturk since the majority of the HITs require to take a survey prior and all the ones I've taken make me ineligible

>> No.812472

>>811825
did you try clickworker? and how long did it take for amazon to accept you?

>> No.812547

>>809032

How do you find programmers to use?

>> No.813663

>>812547
odesk!

>> No.814700

Does anyone work for Apple? They seem top-tier, but I need to get my foot in the door somehow.

>> No.815134

>>811129
>fucking this.

>> No.815636

>>814700
shit. dont do it.

>> No.816377

>>811539
from what ive seen a very sketchy version

youre transcribing Bings voice text stuff
its super finnicky with the right answer and youll get banned pretty fast

.05 per hit though

>> No.816741

>>812472
Nah I haven't tried clickworker.

And I think it took me like a day to get accepted.

>> No.816783

>>807840
Appeal it. I got denied about three times and I appealed, got approved, and received nearly $20k in back pay from SSI. I bought a reliable SUV and am putting myself through real estate school.

>> No.816786

>>808471
You can always start over, dude. I'm 23 and I felt like it was too late. It never is. There are people in their 50's going back to college and shit. You can handle it. Put your mind to it, focus, and train hard. If you wanna do the national guard, try it. The worst thing you can do is fail. But at least you can say you gave it a shot. I'm pretty sure they can get you into running shape. Good luck.

>> No.816789

>>808902
Delivery driver.

>> No.817196

>>811111
On the bright side, check those quints. :^)