[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/biz/ - Business & Finance

View post   
File: 17 KB, 250x241, 4EAD6D37-7973-4DF6-98D5-35E70137BA3E.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
8023504 No.8023504 [Reply] [Original]

>tfw the only high paying, respected jobs are unfulfilling autistic STEM shit

I don’t give a fuck about le coding xD, or electrical Engineering or w/e. I’m a normal human being not some Big Bang nerd. I just wish I could buy some farmland somewhere. Why are all the fulfilling jobs like teaching or non profit work so low paying, but Rain Man freaks with the soul of an insect make bank doing some insect minded work.

>> No.8023866

i just applied to a job where one of the tasks is picking up dogshit. idgaf, it's all dealing with dogshit as far as i am concerned, might as well go straight to the source.

>> No.8023919

>>8023504
it's not
you have all the banking related jobs which are good, i know expert accountants get paid very well in my country

you also have the law related work, however it has lot of candidates and you need friends in the right places

>> No.8023973

Sorry, you can't be stupid and earn bank anymore.

>> No.8023984

Why don't you do something that makes you feel fulfilled and fills you with eudaimonia?

I'm a therapist (just started so I might regret it in some years, who knows) and while a lot of people here hate on my career choice, I feel happy helping others and I earn a decent salary...

>> No.8024006

Just go into pharma sales

>> No.8024037

>>8023504
As an engineer, I really agree with you. I see so many people that dropped out of my program in university, they were pushed to do something they couldn't do. It's like asking a fat gamer to play ball with the varsity team. We really need more positions for people without STEM gifts

>> No.8024082

>>8023984
I wouldn’t want my therapist to be on /pol/.

>> No.8024094

Capitalism

>> No.8024159

>>8024082
In my saddest days, I was a suicidal, obese mess posting on /r9k/ (never fell for the racism meme desu). It really helped me empathize with my patients, going through all that shit and seeing and experiencing all those thoughts that teens and young adults come to talk to me about makes it easier for me to help.

>> No.8024188

>>8024037
> We really need more positions for people without STEM gifts
Are you a fucking socialist? Market decide if autists are needed or not.

>> No.8024344

>>8024037

Buddy I work for an automotive parts supplier. We make components that go into hybrid luxury cars like BMW and Mercedes. There is literally no essential role our company plays in the economy except some Saudi Prince can buy a hybrid S-class. There is nothing fulfilling about this job and I have no respect for the insects who literally enjoy designing a circuit board.

>>8024188

>if you can get away with it it’s ethical
>le market forces

Capitalist “”””ethics”””””

>> No.8024396

Hi OP idiot, in America you are paid what your skills are worth. This worth is assigned by what people are willing to pay for the product you produce. Autistic stem nerds make things everyone uses (phones, websites, etc), so their skills are worth a lot. It’s not that complicated.

Or if you’re such a chad then go into finance or law and make big bucks. But you have to be a smart chad. If you’re not, tough luck, welcome to poverty

>> No.8024405

>>8023504
Grew up in New York City where 100 grand a year just makes life ok but got into Maritime because I'm good with my hands and stuff like that. I work 6 months out of the year for a full years salary 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and moved to a rural area. They fly me to and from work where ever they need me while paying it all and working one job is enough to live very very comfy.

>> No.8024443

>>8023504
Nice anti intellectualism. Have fun working at McDonald's.

>> No.8024448

>>8024396

>>Reading comprehension

Go back to grade 1 you fucking retard or read OP's post again

>> No.8024453

>>8024344
And soon anon you will be unable to gain your perverse pleasure of boxing components for pay as the automation and blockchain train renders your poor ass obsolete. so sad

>> No.8024466

>>8024344
The role you have described your company is playing in the economy may not be “essential” but someone is paying for you product so you have a good job. Whether or not you respect nerds making circuit boards is immaterial. Ethics/respect/emotions have no place in a market based economy. If you cry about this no one will listen because you have already lost and this is the way things are.

>> No.8024507

>>8024448
Idiot what part did I miss? I answered the question, his “fulfilling” jobs pay shit because anyone can do them (unskilled)

>> No.8024543

>>8024344
You will be obsolete very soon

>>8024188
Not government provided positons, but colleges need to change their degrees and education so tjat less intelligent people can still find ways to be productive. A non engineering/medicine degree is useless nowadays

>> No.8024601

I don't know OP.... you clearly are autistic, so maybe you should consider STEM. Just a thought.

Also: this thread sucks donkey balls.

>> No.8024720
File: 149 KB, 728x563, 133659F0-A5F7-425D-ABBC-6FE726A306A3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
8024720

>>8024453
>>8024543


I work in administration.

>>8024466

The company just exists to fuel the consumption driven economy so Saudi princes can buy Mercedes so I can get paid and buy a new iPhone every year. Whole system is immoral and should be destroyed.

>> No.8024747

>>8023504

> Why are skill based, hard jobs better payed than no-skill, easy jobs that have been automated for the most part?

If you really can’t figure that one out, go away, investing is not for you.

>> No.8024834
File: 166 KB, 960x675, BA228C73-7340-4B17-9132-B3E9553DBE38.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
8024834

>>8024747

> keep producing more to buy more
>keep buying more to produce more

STEM Autists are the footsoldiers of the disgusting consumption based economy

>> No.8024890

>>8024453

Enjoy paying my NEETbux and basic income :)

>> No.8024912
File: 4 KB, 179x174, 36C60D57-1F8C-40CF-99A7-AE313C404609-2451-000001AF84293E56.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
8024912

>>8024720

> I work in administration

Fucking kek, a woman's job. Real men are engineers and scientists

>> No.8024917

>>8024834
If you don’t like it then do something about it? Run for office? I am (clearly) a stem autist and I don’t do tech work because I care about feeling a consumption based economy or anything meta like that, I do it because i want to earn a decent wage in a high cost of living area and raise emotionally balanced children that will take care of me in my old age.

>> No.8024931

>>8024917
Fueling*

>> No.8024933

>>8023504
>muh soul
>muh feelings
>dealing with numbers is too unfulfilling and depressing to me
have you considered that you have low testosterone?

>> No.8024977

>>8024933

It's immoral because all the hard j-jobs where you make money are s-stupid :(

Work in administration where you're nit contributing to the down fall of civilization!!!!

Hahahahahahaha what a faggot. Hope this fag gets a terminal illness and gets denied medicine for being naive and stupid enough to crticize scientists and engineers

>> No.8025012
File: 8 KB, 200x199, images (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
8025012

>teaching
>non-profit work

What are you, a fucking woman? The reason your shit jobs pay low is because any brainlet can do them.

>> No.8025044

>>8024933

Dealing with numbers all day is soulless unless you’re an autist

>>8024917

So you admit you don’t actually enjoy or find fulfillment in your job?

>> No.8025077

>>8024977

Vast majority of scientists and engineers are not making breakthroughs anywhere. They’re improving next years iPhone or making another antidepressant for you to get hooked on.

>> No.8025080

>>8025044
>Dealing with numbers all day is soulless
Again, you probably just have low testosterone.

>> No.8025210

>>8025044
It’s just work bro. i Work in robotics. It’s stimulating enough. When I don’t like a job enough I leave, and have the mobility to do so because i adopted the mindset I described above early enough to become solidly employable with advanced robotics education

>> No.8025233

>>8024720
finally someone I agree with on /biz. We are all browsing this forum because we're victims pitted against each other.

>> No.8025251

Bleeding hearts like OP aren't actual bleeding hearts, they are delusional and lack self awareness. 99% of labor in human history did not feel "meaningful".

One of the benefits of working for non-profits etc is enabling your own narcissism (patting yourself on the back). The "meaningful work" aspect is "priced-in" to the salaries of these jobs since the labor supply is so high and they generate little revenue. If meaning was TRULY was what you wanted, you could work a comfy, easy job that paid a lot, and volunteer doing meaningful things for charities. But no, you want to have free time to start a family, travel, do drugs, jack off, or whatever AND be able to be wealthy doing meaningful work.

You can be bored, or poor. You have to pick one unless you were born rich/talented.

t. Half codemonkey, half musician

>> No.8025342
File: 133 KB, 638x479, B59D52BD-8385-4E4B-8E70-FA7E21E342B3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
8025342

>>8025251

Laboring in the past was about pure survival. Today it is all about consuming like good Goyim. Household consumption is 70% of GDP; if gentiles like you didn’t buy Starbucks everyday and wear polo the economy would collapse overnight. Corporations literally programmed us to be this way

>> No.8025373

>>8025080

Mind of an insect or a computer

>> No.8025524

>>8025342
Dude you are completely ignoring what we are saying. I understand and acknowledge the fact that we have a consumption driven economy. What we are saying is that we are playing within the rules of the game to maximize our comfort. If you really have a problem with the way our society functions, you have two choices, attempt to change it or play within the boundaries. Right now you are doing neither, just whining.

>> No.8025525

>>8023504
STEM isn't just coding you know. I'm a chemical engineer in the medical field and travel around the world a lot. Ya, some people I work with are a bit weird, but there's plenty of normal people in my field. Also the m/f ratio is a lot better than most STEM areas, which is nice.

>> No.8025723

>>8025525

I wish I could find that stuff interesting but I really can’t. I don’t give a fuck about coding or engineering or chemistry etc. completely beats me how someone can find this interesting. I mean if you’re just doing it for money I get it but don’t act like you enjoy your job.

>> No.8025731

>>8023504
I want a #1 combo, sir.

t. Computer Programmer

>> No.8025970

>>8025723
Erm, ya, I do actually. That's ok though, STEM isn't for everyone.

>> No.8026019

>>8025970
Actually, now that I'm reading your posts, you're clearly autistic or something. Get bent faggot.

>> No.8026092

>>8026019

>he unironically enjoys doing chemistry calculations

You are literally of the same mentality as an insect

>erm, ya

Back to r*ddit

>> No.8026123

>>8026092
> you are the same mentality

English isn’t your strong suit either, is it? So what do you like doing? That other people care about enough to pay for?

>> No.8026143

What would it take for wages to stop stagnating like they've been since the 70s?

>> No.8026181

>>8026123

English is not your first language. There was nothing wrong with that phrasing. If you read books instead of the periodic table you’d know.

>> No.8026204

>>8023504
I never thought I'd be a coder either. But I have to eat and there was no other field where I could actually find a job so I devoted a lot of time leaning it and now I have a developer job. I feel bad for all of the college kids now thinking they're entitled to do what they love or what it says on their degree. Sorry, but that's not how the world is anymore. Unless you're rich.

>> No.8026223

>>8026143
try minimum wage american slave fellow

>> No.8026233

>>8023919
Thats fucking stem you fuck. No one who struggled in math in HS and university is going to do well in accounting.

>> No.8026239

>>8026181
If you said “you are of the same mentality” instead of “you are the same mentality” it would be correct. A human can not be a mentality.

>> No.8026259

>>8023504
>Teaching
>Fulfilling

Faggot

>> No.8026278

>>8023984
Why the fuck would you regret it. You can save up and rent your own office space and build a practice. You dont have to even keep seeing patients in the next 5 years if you play your cards right. You can be playing golf with your lawyers and psychiatric pharmaceutical reps while your underlings provide a steady stream of income.

>> No.8026350

>>8026092
>You are literally of the same mentality as an insect
Fucking how? You're calling all of us autists, but everything you've said is some literal, unironic autistic shit.

>> No.8026369

>>8026092

Learn to read first

>>8026239

>> No.8026371

>>8026143
At this point, another world war. No, I'm not joking. The majority of humanity is not intelligent enough to take advantage of or adapt to the hottest careers right now. People are jealous and pissed, and throughout history it always ended in violence.

>> No.8026419

>>8026369
Can a human be a way of thinking? Or can they be of a way of thinking?

>> No.8026554

>>8023504
>get stem degree
>hate work for a year
>become project manager
>just getting other people to work and checking over things
>3 years later, director status, 150k

>> No.8026561

>>8024720
>I work in administration.
Lmao, as what? A receptionist? And you're giving STEM people shit over having an unfulfilling job? You can probably kys at any time and no one would lose anything.

>> No.8026580

>>8023866
kek, like that spirit.

>> No.8026596
File: 103 KB, 550x620, ifeelfeels.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
8026596

>>8026561
maybe you should get on the hands on side of engineering. maybe do some cnc or machining?

or you could take the S&W retirement plan

>> No.8027020

>>8023504
i'm a farmer and it's great. no bosses, no timetable, and money is not that bad. it's quite good really.
today i earned 700€. not bad eh?:D

>> No.8027255

>>8026278
I can see it getting to someone's head after a couple of bad cases like me.

>> No.8027428
File: 31 KB, 456x320, 1426858342702.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
8027428

>tfw consuming television and video games doesnt dull the pain anymore

Everything feels so pointless

>> No.8027438

>>8023504
>normal human being
>somehow needs a high paying job

Why don't you just move to a farm, become a teacher, live a modest life financially and just relax? You're trying to argue that you should be rich for no good reason. What is rich going to get you that a simpler job won't?

>> No.8027471

>>8027438

If you are a man everything is tied to your wealth; not to mention the basic survival instinct to acquire as many resources as possible.

>> No.8027637

>>8027471
Your outlook on life and views of masculinity are juvenile but I guess that's biz in a nutshell

>> No.8027757

>>8027428
Sadly this, I don't know how to distract myself anymore, don't bother saying sex I've got a babby dick so that's off the table sadly.

>> No.8027760

>>8027637

t. 4chan philosopher

>> No.8028070
File: 10 KB, 414x384, 1502967514522.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
8028070

>ITT: OP is a huge faggot and everyone falls for his bait

>> No.8028190
File: 6 KB, 226x223, 7600FEC2-B0FD-4441-96CD-0491A385E635-2451-000001D3B26594CD.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
8028190

>>8026561

This. Fucking kek

>huuur a vast majority of STEM is to make anti-depressants and iphones!!!

>> No.8028286

where is this STEM=money idea coming from? I'm doing a chemistry degree at a great uni and things don't look THAT great for me. I'm more employable than my mates doing say history or english literature, but not by that much. Fuck I should have done computer science or engineering

>> No.8028334

>>8027760
>>nGTw

Nu-Males Going Their Way?

>> No.8028878

>>8028190

It really is though. Unless you count shit like Facebook and a better graphics card as “progress”, most STEM workers are engaged in some kind of commercial industry- mining coal, making iPhones, making Xanax 2.0

>> No.8028960

>>8028286
>this

Got a degree in biomed from an accredited university, got one interview. Waste of fucking time, would have been better leaving school at 16 and getting a shitty manual labor job.

>> No.8028994

>>8023504
You can also do engineering but be active on a project in the field, you know outside and such things.

>> No.8029451

>>8024720
Sounds like you are projecting your misery onto everyone else, sport. Have you considered if you were induced to have a suicidal view of the world by someone who wanted to control you?

>> No.8029542

anyone know anything about UX as a career option
I'm ready to put in some serious work, and it seems a bit more appealing than just grinding out pure code.

>> No.8029636

>>8023504
There is plenty of farm land with old Armenian farmers in Fresno where my brother in law is from just looking to help people get rich farming. In fact farming right now is one of the easiest and most efficient ways to get rich right now if you are willing to put in the work. Let’s be honest though you are the type that refers to people who like getting jobs done as autistic in order to delude yourself into blanking out that you have not developed a working discipline.

>> No.8029646
File: 118 KB, 850x564, EA49666C-1539-41D7-A98F-D5E9BA6B07AA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
8029646

>>8029451

>companies literally openly stating they manipulate Goyim to consume and bump up their profits
>household consumption is 70% of murrican gdp
>we have the technological capability to meet everyone’s basic needs with ~1/3 of the population working
>everyone still works to buy Gucci fisher spinners

The thing is that normies like you are so brainwashed they literally can’t comprehend how fucked up this is. Keep buying stuff, goy.